Terminator Genisys Miniature Game N&R

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**Ruglud**

Resistance fighter 3-ups previewed over on the Facebook group as they reached 500 members (talk of another preview at 750 and again at 1,000)

Alessio Cavatore
Resistance fighters 3-ups... planning the sprue... at Renedra Ltd. ...featuring: "Runny Guy", "Kneely Guy", "Vasquez" and "Hulk Hogan"...

Alessio Cavatore with Bob Naismith
One assembled 3-up (resin cast at home!!!).
We call him 'Runny guy'... please suggest a better name!

Not sure what's going on with 'runny guys' pointing finger - looks a bit odd, but maybe it's due to this being a 3-up and a WIP?? Gotta admit that I'm not blown away by these yet, but they look ok

**CptJake**

Why are they not making the heads separate? With only 4 bodies, the ability to swap heads would make a lot of sense.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Board gamers would cry.

**CptJake**

Is it being marketed as a board game? I didn't think it was.

**Theophony**

CptJake wrote:
Why are they not making the heads separate? With only 4 bodies, the ability to swap heads would make a lot of sense.

We have to remember this is a board game, they are not concerned with multipart plastic soldiers for us to have dozens of figures on the table. They are not catering to us tabletop gamers, but to the board game players. Perhaps they will eventually give us rules for large sized battles, at which point we might get more figures with more poses.

Edit:

bob beat me to it, I thought I submitted this earlier, but I didnt.

**CptJake**

Are they using squares/hexes for movement? Tiles (like Space Hulk) or just one big board?

The OP is calling it a 'Miniatures Game', I'm honestly missing where it is a board game (but with 13 pages so far I'm likely to miss things).

**MLaw**

Board game?

I'm out.

I was starting to get all excited about an official line of actual miniatures.

**CptJake**

I see where the box set comes with a mat, but it looks like any other non-area delineated mat (no squares/hexes/areas) so it does not look too board game like.

**judgedoug**

Hey let's all jump to conclusions

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.1786856594872227&type=1

Playtesting pics showing measuring templates

**His Master's Voice**

Those minis? Definitely something I'd expect from a board game. I'll pass.

**MLaw**

judgedoug wrote:
Hey let's all jump to conclusions

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.1786856594872227&type=1

Playtesting pics showing measuring templates

I don't care if they measure it with measuring tape or have AOE templates, etc.. The game mechanics are not the boardgame aspect that has turned me off to this.. it's the fact that the figures will be designed for boardgames. This typically translates into lower quality. I've got no interest in that.. I can just play Tomorrow's War or heck.. even 40k (blech) and use existing endo skeletons from EM4, Reaper, Anvil, etc..

**BobtheInquisitor**

CptJake wrote:
I see where the box set comes with a mat, but it looks like any other non-area delineated mat (no squares/hexes/areas) so it does not look too board game like.

It might actually be a miniatures game, but it will also be a board game. Look at those minis in the boxed set: board game minis. River Horse may have written the rules for tabletop gaming, but I would be surprised if they didn't gear the mass-produced plastics and everything else in the boxed set to appeal to board gamers as well. Call it a stealth, hybrid board-table game. Board games are a huge market and there is no way that River Horse isn't catering to it with this boxed set to some degree or another.

Besides, did you see those minis?

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PS: Are those supposed to be plasma rifles? They look nothing like the plasma weapons from T1 and T2. They might work in Star Trek, but they look pretty goofy.

**Pacific**

I don't think I have read that it is just a board game at any point? I'm sorry if HMV and MLaw have already leapt from the hype train

From Warlord's own site:

Comments from earlier in the thread, which will hopefully help people have joined later on. I think it's obviously coming as a self-contained box-set which will allow you to play the game, but also with room to expand (in fact, Alessio has said as much already, with follow-ups depending on sales volumes)

Terminators are three-piece models: Legs, Torso/upper body, and arms/weapon

Human Resistance two pieces: body/legs/head, and modular arms/weapon (akin to recent Bolt Action plastics)

4x4 or smaller up -scale to 6X4
Play mat-no hexes, squares. Two sided other side is a underground resistance bunker.
2D terrain on top of mat
Template- movement and shooting no ruler
Different colour for factions
Endos metalic plastic
Resistance green

Kyle Reese resin character
HQ geared more towards command benefits instead of beatsticks
Infiltrators/ T-1000 mechanics included
20 century weapons hard to kill T-800 cannot destroy, knockdown slightly damage. You can finish them off while down. Rule called Hastla Vista Baby

Wargamer set:
16 resistance soldiers and Reese
10 endos and 5 crawlers
Dice 2 of each for a total of 12 dice
1 Fate die
2-3 + punch boards templates and 2D flat terrain
Prison camp templates-laser fence (budget permitting)
3x2 playmat cheap one in box. Hope to sell a nice one separately.
Soft full colour rulebook
16 page starter guide
70 quid approx. (not final)
Cheaper version lacks rule book and Reese for 55 Quid (not final)

Mechanics could possibly include:
Reprograming machines
Human collaborators working against resistance

**BobtheInquisitor**

The kits just seem so far from ideal. Two piece minis might work for Bolt Action, where people want to be able to assemble a huge force quickly, but even then I have my doubts. For a skirmish sized sci-fi game, it really reduces the value of the plastics for anything other than ...~~board~~ game pieces.

**judgedoug**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It might actually be a miniatures game, but it will also be a board game. Look at those minis in the boxed set: board game minis. River Horse may have written the rules for tabletop gaming, but I would be surprised if they didn't gear the mass-produced plastics and everything else in the boxed set to appeal to board gamers as well. Call it a stealth, hybrid board-table game. Board games are a huge market and there is no way that River Horse isn't catering to it with this boxed set to some degree or another.

I haven't heard of Renedra doing board game plastics, but good for them if they can produce at the same level as, say, Hasbro.

Anyways, already confirmed - in this thread btw - a Wargamer Miniatures Set and then a cheaper easy-play version.

BobtheInquisitor wrote:

PS: Are those supposed to be plasma rifles? They look nothing like the plasma weapons from T1 and T2. They might work in Star Trek, but they look pretty goofy.

Well... Nothing looks like anything from T1 or T2 or T3 or T4 because the license only encompasses the designs from Terminator Genisys.

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MLaw wrote:
Board game?

I'm out.

I was starting to get all excited about an official line of actual miniatures.

So the fact the designers have stated it's a miniatures war game to be supported by further miniatures releases based on initial sales figures...

**CptJake**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
CptJake wrote:
I see where the box set comes with a mat, but it looks like any other non-area delineated mat (no squares/hexes/areas) so it does not look too board game like.

It might actually be a miniatures game, but it will also be a board game. Look at those minis in the boxed set: board game minis. River Horse may have written the rules for tabletop gaming, but I would be surprised if they didn't gear the mass-produced plastics and everything else in the boxed set to appeal to board gamers as well. Call it a stealth, hybrid board-table game. Board games are a huge market and there is no way that River Horse isn't catering to it with this boxed set to some degree or another.

Besides, did you see those minis?

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PS: Are those supposed to be plasma rifles? They look nothing like the plasma weapons from T1 and T2. They might work in Star Trek, but they look pretty goofy.

Okay, so we know there is measurements for movement and firing, yet based on the miniatures shown so far and speculation on your part, you are claiming that even if the rules are for tabletop gaming, this will be a board game.

I'm really not sure how you arrive at your conclusion. It doesn't look like it will be any more a board game than the Infinity boxed set, or a 40K boxed set. You may not be happy with the quality of the figures, but if the rules are for a tabletop game, well, it may just be a tabletop game.

**MLaw**

judgedoug wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It might actually be a miniatures game, but it will also be a board game. Look at those minis in the boxed set: board game minis. River Horse may have written the rules for tabletop gaming, but I would be surprised if they didn't gear the mass-produced plastics and everything else in the boxed set to appeal to board gamers as well. Call it a stealth, hybrid board-table game. Board games are a huge market and there is no way that River Horse isn't catering to it with this boxed set to some degree or another.

I haven't heard of Renedra doing board game plastics, but good for them if they can produce at the same level as, say, Hasbro.

Anyways, already confirmed - in this thread btw - a Wargamer Miniatures Set and then a cheaper easy-play version.

BobtheInquisitor wrote:

PS: Are those supposed to be plasma rifles? They look nothing like the plasma weapons from T1 and T2. They might work in Star Trek, but they look pretty goofy.

Well... Nothing looks like anything from T1 or T2 or T3 or T4 because the license only encompasses the designs from Terminator Genisys.

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MLaw wrote:
Board game?

I'm out.

I was starting to get all excited about an official line of actual miniatures.

So the fact the designers have stated it's a miniatures war game to be supported by further miniatures releases based on initial sales figures...

The miniatures they've shown aren't that exciting. If the rules are more of a tabletop type of thing then I would be willing to give it a try. As an entire package.. based on what we've seen of the figures it's a non-starter for me.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

but I'm not going to hold my breath

**BobtheInquisitor**

CptJake wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
CptJake wrote:
I see where the box set comes with a mat, but it looks like any other non-area delineated mat (no squares/hexes/areas) so it does not look too board game like.

It might actually be a miniatures game, but it will also be a board game. Look at those minis in the boxed set: board game minis. River Horse may have written the rules for tabletop gaming, but I would be surprised if they didn't gear the mass-produced plastics and everything else in the boxed set to appeal to board gamers as well. Call it a stealth, hybrid board-table game. Board games are a huge market and there is no way that River Horse isn't catering to it with this boxed set to some degree or another.

Besides, did you see those minis?

Automatically Appended Next Post:
PS: Are those supposed to be plasma rifles? They look nothing like the plasma weapons from T1 and T2. They might work in Star Trek, but they look pretty goofy.

Okay, so we know there is measurements for movement and firing, yet based on the miniatures shown so far and speculation on your part, you are claiming that even if the rules are for tabletop gaming, this will be a board game.

I'm really not sure how you arrive at your conclusion. It doesn't look like it will be any more a board game than the Infinity boxed set, or a 40K boxed set. You may not be happy with the quality of the figures, but if the rules are for a tabletop game, well, it may just be a tabletop game.

Maybe I'm being too subtle. Yes, it is a tabletop game, but it sucks [noun] like a board game.

**judgedoug**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Maybe I'm being too subtle. Yes, it is a tabletop game, but it sucks [noun] like a board game.

Which part sucks balls? The low count of parts for the models? Or the rules? Because honestly the rules previews Alessio has shown are pretty damn intriguing (including the Fate mechanic)

**BobtheInquisitor**

judgedoug wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Maybe I'm being too subtle. Yes, it is a tabletop game, but it sucks [noun] like a board game.

Which part sucks balls? The low count of parts for the models? Or the rules? Because honestly the rules previews Alessio has shown are pretty damn intriguing (including the Fate mechanic)

The models.

For me, it's always about the models.

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As we point out every time the rules/minis dichotomy comes up, if the rules are good enough, they can be played with Gates of Antares minis...or something.

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judgedoug wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
It might actually be a miniatures game, but it will also be a board game. Look at those minis in the boxed set: board game minis. River Horse may have written the rules for tabletop gaming, but I would be surprised if they didn't gear the mass-produced plastics and everything else in the boxed set to appeal to board gamers as well. Call it a stealth, hybrid board-table game. Board games are a huge market and there is no way that River Horse isn't catering to it with this boxed set to some degree or another.

I haven't heard of Renedra doing board game plastics, but good for them if they can produce at the same level as, say, Hasbro.

Anyways, already confirmed - in this thread btw - a Wargamer Miniatures Set and then a cheaper easy-play version.

BobtheInquisitor wrote:

PS: Are those supposed to be plasma rifles? They look nothing like the plasma weapons from T1 and T2. They might work in Star Trek, but they look pretty goofy.

Well... Nothing looks like anything from T1 or T2 or T3 or T4 because the license only encompasses the designs from Terminator Genisys.

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I'm looking forward to the wargaming minis, then. I suppose I'm being a bit unreasonable, but my standards have risen dramatically for miniatures that want my money. Now they have to compete with Mantic, DFG, Proxie, cheapo Sedition Wars, board games with good plastics, and so on. We all know I'll quitely pick up at least one of each plastic kit for this game down the line, but before they finish manufacturing I can always ~~bitch and moan~~ push them to create better minis. I just had such dreams for these minis.

I thought they said they were trying to keep all the designs in Genysis as close as possible to their antecedents rom the Cameron films. On a second look, they look a lot like the flamers from Aliens, so I suppose that's what they could be.

**Ruglud**

A note from Alessio on weapon design

Alessio Cavatore
If you check the trailer and some of the pictures you find online and in magazines, the riles are different from the previous movies... their resistance ones look scratch built kinda like AKs with a generator under the barrel. The endos look like mass produced

**Ruglud**

And another note about vehicles we could be seeing for the Resistance:

Alessio Cavatore
Not only Abrams [tank], but Apaches, Black Hawks, Warrior APCs... and of course trucks and humvees with plasma guns (see trailer, that thing that John Connor swivels around)... Of course in this first edition I expect all of these to be slightly broken... so I will confine them to the 'advanced rules' section!!!

Spoiler:

**judgedoug**

Terminator final sprue and size comparison with Kyle Reese figure.

**Malika2**

Hmm, maybe it's the paintjob, but all of a sudden those figures look to have an early 90s kinda quality to them...

**BobtheInquisitor**

That mini looks more like John Connor5 than Kyle Reese 5

**judgedoug**

Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, maybe it's the paintjob, but all of a sudden those figures look to have an early 90s kinda quality to them...

The endos? How so?

**BobtheInquisitor**

I think the left arm looks a bit off, but it doesn't help that the endoskeleton pose is just sad. It looks like he's carrying luggage while waiting for security. Surely a machine that never tires has no reason to stand at ease?

**adamsouza**

They look okay seperately, but I think look off side by side.

It's mostly the heads. The human looks chunky, like 40K, and the endoskeleton is thinner and looks like a true scale.

**Pacific**

Think they look pretty cool.

Like the look of the 'half terminator' one on the sprue, you can tell there are going to be a lot of sound-bites in use when this game is being played!

**JohnHwangDD**

adamsouza wrote:

They look okay seperately, but I think look off side by side.

It's mostly the heads. The human looks chunky, like 40K, and the endoskeleton is thinner and looks like a true scale.

I totally believe that the Endo could wear Kyle as a set of pajamas.