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An Amazon review of the arial HK mentions it is closer to 1/58 than 1/32.

I have no idea what scale it really is...

 CptJake wrote:

Davor wrote:
I am wondering why Pegasus is just showing artwork or the box and not the actual pics of the mini. If there is a pic I don't see it. Seems pretty expensive to buy something and not see the actual product.

They do show it, under the 'images' tab.

Spoiler:

Those look like renders to me

Found a built one but cannot see the scale.

Dang, that tank needs some Tamiya Smoke!

I have one of the toy Flyer that came with and Endoskeleton. I found it at a discout stor for like $15. I have been using it as my "Count-As-Stormraven-Valk for year. If you can find one it is just about the right scale for 28mm

 Anpu42 wrote:
I have one of the toy Flyer that came with and Endoskeleton. I found it at a discout stor for like $15. I have been using it as my "Count-As-Stormraven-Valk for year. If you can find one it is just about the right scale for 28mm

They are actually pretty hard to find these days for less than $30.

Toys R Us had them for the longest time for $30. When they discounted them to $15 they flew off the shelves. You can still find them on Ebay, but usually in the $30+ range.

I know I spend a fortune on 40K, but I couldn't get myself to spend that much for a vehicle I would use as proxy at best.
The release of this game increases the possible utility of said item.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Anpu42 wrote:
I have one of the toy Flyer that came with and Endoskeleton. I found it at a discout stor for like $15. I have been using it as my "Count-As-Stormraven-Valk for year. If you can find one it is just about the right scale for 28mm

They are actually pretty hard to find these days for less than $30.

Toys R Us had them for the longest time for $30. When they discounted them to $15 they flew off the shelves. You can still find them on Ebay, but usually in the $30+ range.

I know I spend a fortune on 40K, but I couldn't get myself to spend that much for a vehicle I would use as proxy at best.
The release of this game increases the possible utility of said item.

I got lucky, I did see one at a swap-meet, but it was missing one of the engines and the guy $10 for it.

Not sure if we've seen this image yet on here? Some concept art for the Terminators...


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Gun arm Terminators look cool, but it seems kind of unnecessary to design a variant when they humanoid hands

 adamsouza wrote:
Gun arm Terminators look cool, but it seems kind of unnecessary to design a variant when they humanoid hands

Maybe it's skynet trying to make it so the last army can't just strip weapons off of downed terminators, like the plasma rifles

So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.

Silence infidel!! You are not allowed to question the logic of the franchise or movies, under pain of death.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.

They do.

However, Endoskeletons are the framework for an organic outer layer in the creation of infiltration units. You only see them fighting in the iconic battle scenes because they are rushed off the factory line and thrown into battle as a last ditch effort to defend Skynet.

If skynet was created because a humanoid terminator went back in time

and it's technology/programing were plunderd

it's quite likely the humanoid shape of the terminators is built in to said programming (see the stupid human torsos on tracks as a good example where they human form is used even though a turreted tank would work a lot better)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
If skynet was created because a humanoid terminator went back in time

and it's technology/programing were plunderd

it's quite likely the humanoid shape of the terminators is built in to said programming (see the stupid human torsos on tracks as a good example where they human form is used even though a turreted tank would work a lot better)

Doubtful, by Cameron's design notes for the Ground HK Tank/Recognizer was that it was purpose built for urban combat: large, wide tracks to spread it's weight so it doesn't collapse into sewers as well as giving it the ability to easily traverse over concrete rubble; the rotating rapid fire plasma cannons at an elevated height to attack resistance nests from above (less cover when you shoot from above ruined walls, etc).

Aerial HK and HK-bombers do not have humanoid shapes, and the endoskeletons were purpose-built as infiltrator units.

Actually, the first terminator units in a humanoid shape would have NEVER passed for human. T-20's were basically maintenance bots reprogrammed for combat (although rather lackluster at it). They were used to push humans away from vital areas in the time right after Judgement Day. Basically, they needed something that could walk into areas that remote tanks and T-1 units could not reach.

T-70's were Cyberdyne proof-of-concept terminators that Skynet kept around (and possibly in minor production) before more advanced models could be produced.

T-400's were mass-produced junk piles that were simply made to be overwhelming and be bullet catchers. They were so loud you could HEAR them coming. NOT passable as human at all.

T-500's Basically looked like 1970's Cylon androids. Not able to pass for human.

T-600's were the size of a large human male, but could only pass for human from a distance, and only if somewhat new.

T-700's were basically low-end T-800's. almost identical design, just with lower grade materials, weapons, ect. to make them faster produce. Technically you can swap parts between a 700 and 800 if you need to.

 Pacific wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.

Silence infidel!! You are not allowed to question the logic of the franchise or movies, under pain of death.

As Judgedoug pointed out, In the Cameronverse, Skynet only made terminators to infiltrate, and we only saw them fleshless in combat because Skynet was so desperate.

Terminator 3 and Salvationn gave us the ridiculous robot army.


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 Alex C wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.

They do.

However, Endoskeletons are the framework for an organic outer layer in the creation of infiltration units. You only see them fighting in the iconic battle scenes because they are rushed off the factory line and thrown into battle as a last ditch effort to defend Skynet.

Exactly my point. Terminators with gun-arms make no sense in this context. Was Skynet going to cover the gun-arm in flesh? Who would that fool?


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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
If skynet was created because a humanoid terminator went back in time

and it's technology/programing were plunderd

it's quite likely the humanoid shape of the terminators is built in to said programming (see the stupid human torsos on tracks as a good example where they human form is used even though a turreted tank would work a lot better)

Looking at the model, it seems like tracked HKs have weapons on their head turrets. The arm sponsons hang over the edge so they can shoot down at any vermin trying to reach the treads. They are definitely not designed to fight conventional armor, and the design doesn't scream practicality, but as a mobile human-exterminating machine it isn't too bad. It definitely looks more like farm equipment than a battle tank, but Skynet seems to have nuked the armed forces out of the way, so why not? I assume most of the actual hunting and killing is done by the aerial units.


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 cuda1179 wrote:
Actually, the first terminator units in a humanoid shape would have NEVER passed for human. T-20's were basically maintenance bots reprogrammed for combat (although rather lackluster at it). They were used to push humans away from vital areas in the time right after Judgement Day. Basically, they needed something that could walk into areas that remote tanks and T-1 units could not reach.

T-70's were Cyberdyne proof-of-concept terminators that Skynet kept around (and possibly in minor production) before more advanced models could be produced.

T-400's were mass-produced junk piles that were simply made to be overwhelming and be bullet catchers. They were so loud you could HEAR them coming. NOT passable as human at all.

T-500's Basically looked like 1970's Cylon androids. Not able to pass for human.

T-600's were the size of a large human male, but could only pass for human from a distance, and only if somewhat new.

T-700's were basically low-end T-800's. almost identical design, just with lower grade materials, weapons, ect. to make them faster produce. Technically you can swap parts between a 700 and 800 if you need to.

Where did you get that from?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.

Silence infidel!! You are not allowed to question the logic of the franchise or movies, under pain of death.

As Judgedoug pointed out, In the Cameronverse, Skynet only made terminators to infiltrate, and we only saw them fleshless in combat because Skynet was so desperate.

Terminator 3 and Salvationn gave us the ridiculous robot army.

Rule of cool, I guess. The endoskeletons are much like the Alien xenomorph. It's terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying. I was scared out of my mind when I saw The Terminator for the first time as a young lad. You see one full endoskeleton in The Terminator, much like one xeno in Alien.

By T3, everyone knew endos by heart, like Alien xenos, so no more scare factor. So show a pile of them on screen! how cool!

Much of the series (70, 600-800) are Cameronverse, earlier models being ambush units (look like humans, but easy to spot - rubber skin, as Kyle Reese points out in The Terminator) with the series 800 being actual infiltrators - the flashback/future scene in The Terminator demonstrating their immense effectiveness at that role.

So I really appreciated Salvation's attempt to show the 600, rubber skin, easy to spot. But imagine a few of those at night. Friendlies? etc.

Salvation's Giant Robo and termicycle pretty much ruined the movie for me. That and the plot, acting and direction.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Where did you get that from?

T-70 is from T2:3D
T-600 mentioned by Reese, T2 script *
T-700 T2 script *
T-800 T1, T2
T-1000 T2
HK Tank T1, T2
Aerial HK T1, T2
HK Bomber T2 storyboards/script *
HK Centurion T2 storyboards/script *
HK Silverfish T2 storyboards/script*

* from October 1990 Terminator 2 script: http://www.hopeofthefuture.net/deletedscenes/t2omit01.html
Skynet's weapons consist of the massive ground HKs (tank-
like robot weapon-platforms) flying HKs, medium weight
four-legged gun-pods called Centurions, the humanoid
Terminators in various forms (600, 700, and 800 series),
and small, fast-crawling kamikaze units called Silverfish
that look like 5' long chrome centipedes. The Silverfish
snake into gun emplacements and explode.

If they made Silverfish they would be an awesome Scarab Proxy.

I almost bought Salvation action figures for the little snake like terminators that came with them

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So why not build the guns into a tank chassis with more armor and far less complexity? Even the little hover drones are a better use of resources than a machine with delicate joints mimicking inefficient human necks, wrists, legs and so on.

Silence infidel!! You are not allowed to question the logic of the franchise or movies, under pain of death.

As Judgedoug pointed out, In the Cameronverse, Skynet only made terminators to infiltrate, and we only saw them fleshless in combat because Skynet was so desperate.

Nonetheless, that image from the start of T2 is synonymous with the franchise, and what most people think of when they think of what a terminator is.

I can guarantee it's the miniature that's going to feature prominently on the packaging for this game, also, along with whomever the main characters are.

 Pacific wrote:
Nonetheless, that image from the start of T2 is synonymous with the franchise, and what most people think of when they think of what a terminator is.

I can guarantee it's the miniature that's going to feature prominently on the packaging for this game, also, along with whomever the main characters are.

Oh, no doubt. I mean, it's a T-800! Everyone loves them.

James Cameron agrees with you; regarding the Future War sequence in T2:"... it was not strictly necessary to the plot to show the war, its inclusion of the film serves as both a visceral illustration of what the characters in the film are fighting to prevent, and a narrative reminder to the audience of the world postulated by the first film."

In essence, it's more visually gripping and creates a stronger narrative. So as much as I like the Cameronverse of T-800's as infiltrators only - and only deployed en masse during the final battle - I'm going to love having T-800's all over my tabletop!

Looking forward to this. Hopefully the game rules will be well written, balanced and fair. Don't need another game that is imbalanced and poor written rules.

Also wonder if we have to assemble and paint the minis or they will be like X-wing and be pre assembled/painted.

Also has cost been mentioned yet?

I'll bet a paycheck the minis come unpainted and unassembled.

 judgedoug wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Nonetheless, that image from the start of T2 is synonymous with the franchise, and what most people think of when they think of what a terminator is.

I can guarantee it's the miniature that's going to feature prominently on the packaging for this game, also, along with whomever the main characters are.

Oh, no doubt. I mean, it's a T-800! Everyone loves them.

James Cameron agrees with you; regarding the Future War sequence in T2:"... it was not strictly necessary to the plot to show the war, its inclusion of the film serves as both a visceral illustration of what the characters in the film are fighting to prevent, and a narrative reminder to the audience of the world postulated by the first film."

In essence, it's more visually gripping and creates a stronger narrative. So as much as I like the Cameronverse of T-800's as infiltrators only - and only deployed en masse during the final battle - I'm going to love having T-800's all over my tabletop!

I'm sure I will enjoy having some plastic terminators on my tabletop, too, but what I really want are plastic HKs. If Riverhorse won't make them in plastic, then I'll just get the out-of-scale Pegasus HKs.

I love the alienness of Skynet as Cameron envisioned it, so I would prefer drones and HKs to take a fairly central role in the later future war expansions. Robot skeletons are cool and iconic and all, but very tame and familiar. I prefer the Terminator future war as a classic struggle between mankind and a new type of intelligence we can't understand. Mankind vs robot people was Battlestar Galactica.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

I'm sure I will enjoy having some plastic terminators on my tabletop, too, but what I really want are plastic HKs. If Riverhorse won't make them in plastic, then I'll just get the out-of-scale Pegasus HKs.

Dude, just get the Pegasus HK's - they ARE 28mm scale! http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234946482-pegasus-terminator-2-aerial-hunter-killer-quick-look-in-the-box/

Clever girl.

Still hoping for some nice drones, too.

New HK or review of the old one ?

They look like a smaller, more bee-shaped version of the HKs from T3.

If they're plastic, and a good price, I'll allow them.

 adamsouza wrote:
New HK or review of the old one ?

Definitely a new design. The drone in T-3 had a third engine mounted in the tail. The ones in T-1 and T-3 had significantly taller engine pods and up-angled V-tails. The ones in Salvation were also different.