So they say it won't be limited...

But they sent their retailers a mail saying otherwise.

I can't imagine that it is NOT limited.

If you can buy 2 for 165 including a scenery piece, the individual models will not sell at all anymore.

This will be a revenue boost, not a profit boost for GW.

ORicK wrote:
I can't imagine that it is NOT limited.

If you can buy 2 for 165 including a scenery piece, the individual models will not sell at all anymore.

This will be a revenue boost, not a profit boost for GW.

Yet, we already can see this every day with some of the Start Collecting! boxes, where you pay a few currencies more for a big thing (Mortarch, Lizardmen thing, ...) and get the other stuff for free.

ORicK wrote:
This will be a revenue boost, not a profit boost for GW.

Given the production costs aren't really all that significant, a revenue boost would more than likely result in a profit boost too.

ORicK wrote:
I can't imagine that it is NOT limited.

If you can buy 2 for 165 including a scenery piece, the individual models will not sell at all anymore.

This will be a revenue boost, not a profit boost for GW.

Apart from them still selling no doubt this could simply be GW's idea of cheapening army costs without lowering price of individual boxes(as was hinted in one of the reports by new CEO). Yeah it does leave oddities but since GW's policy seems to be no price decreases...Leaves just bundles.

Multiple models from the army. Free formation included. Heavily discounted. So this is basically a Start Collecting Imperial Knights box, then?

REALLY hope they expand this to stompas, WKs, Heirophants etc.

I don't see stompas being done for this, but Orkanauts and Wraithknights 'flat image' already exist. I already did some home-brew datasheets for them myself; I can see if I can find them.

Well I found it at a discounter. Net result? It's like buying a Knight Paladin and the terrain and getting a Warden for free.

The Regimental Standard is shilling for Knights this week.

That's fine, because it gave us this image:

LOL

Okay, that's frigging awesome.

How much information does WD 115 have on the game? I went to pick it up from my shop, and it was totally sold out. I'm teetering on the fence for the game. About to fall into the "Oh God, buy big stompy robot game that looks like it's a cross between Warhammer and Battletech!!!"

Awesome pic

Not much, since the battle rep was written more like a story than an actual explanation of the rules.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Decently priced models
Actual battle reports
A conversion article posted in a GW-made publication

No wonder canada has been in a freaking snowstorm for the past two months, hell froze over (and it's apparently under Ontario)!

Right under Sudbury, most probably.

I'm totally excited for this, but I hope it doesn't sell out too quick! I mean, I don't need a Knight let alone two, but I will probably get this at some point.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Okay, that's frigging awesome.

How much information does WD 115 have on the game? I went to pick it up from my shop, and it was totally sold out. I'm teetering on the fence for the game. About to fall into the "Oh God, buy big stompy robot game that looks like it's a cross between Warhammer and Battletech!!!"

Basically, enough to let us know the rules are extremely similar (if not identical) to Godbreaker Clash from when the Stormsurge was released but no more.
There's a hit chart for each model, weapons knock point off of locations, you can nominate specific target areas and can miss if a glancing blow scatters into empty space.


If you're getting 115 just for rules, get it for the B@C scenario with the teleporters, which is awesome.

It is strange they have put so many Orruk items onto one week's preorder list. They havent done this for a long time. My guess is they will offer rules for 'Nauts to use in IKR, as already mentioned.

This way they can let people buy the AoS models over several weeks but also keep the 40k crowd busy with playing IKR. Eldar the week after? Tau?

Stompas and Lords of Skulls, although they would be interesting and welcome opponents for IKR, seem to be of a different weight class. Not saying it wouldnt make sense but at least in 40k they cost double the points.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also IKR was called a Core Game on the leaked GW order list last week - which could be a hint it will get supplemental content, at least via WD Weekly and/or online.

Damnit, Regimental Standard is jamming this week.

Over on the side of the main page, they use this image as a cover image for a link to Knight Renegade:

Warhams-77 wrote:
It is strange they have put so many Orruk items onto one week's preorder list. They havent done this for a long time. My guess is they will offer rules for 'Nauts to use in IKR, as already mentioned.

This way they can let people buy the AoS models over several weeks but also keep the 40k crowd busy with playing IKR. Eldar the week after? Tau?

Stompas and Lords of Skulls, although they would be interesting and welcome opponents for IKR, seem to be of a different weight class. Not saying it wouldnt make sense but at least in 40k they cost double the points.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also IKR was called a Core Game on the leaked GW order list last week - which could be a hint it will get supplemental content, at least via WD Weekly and/or online.

Well, looking at the Orks codex, Orkanauts are only walkers so they'd be extremely vulnerable to Knights, and you only get 1.5 per Knight. I think it'll maybe be a way for 2 Orkanoughts to fit a single knight, as a single knught would easily overpower them, considering their strongest gun is Str 8 and their CC is 10, while the Knight has Thermal cannons and Str D attacks.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Not much, since the battle rep was written more like a story than an actual explanation of the rules.

Can it be? A battle report in the old style!? Truly, tis the end of days...

If anything, it will be up for a while. Just like BaC, Deathwatch and Officio Ass. are still available to purchase unlike the Imperial Space Marine which was clearly labelled as "LIMITED" on the description.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Damnit, Regimental Standard is jamming this week.

Over on the side of the main page, they use this image as a cover image for a link to Knight Renegade:

Spoiler:

Did they have to rip off Starship Troopers with the "find out more" (obviously, copying the "Would you like to know more?")

Will the rules be in the WD this weekend or next?

 agnosto wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Damnit, Regimental Standard is jamming this week.

Over on the side of the main page, they use this image as a cover image for a link to Knight Renegade:

Spoiler:

Did they have to rip off Starship Troopers with the "find out more" (obviously, copying the "Would you like to know more?")

Absolutely! And to be fair, if you looked at the website for The Regimental Standard?

Clicking on "Find Out More" links you to the "Renegade" boxed game.

I'm pretty sure Starship Troopers didn't invent the concept.

True, but it is the most likely source of where GW borrowed the idea from, wouldn't be the first time they've been "Inspired" by SST

If FW sold there Magaera and Styx Knights as upgrade packs instead of full kits I'd be getting at least one copy of this. As it is I already have enough Knights in various states of assembly.

gungo wrote:
Yes it's called common English you should try it. This is NOT limited quantities. This is a limited release.
Which means GW will continue print runs if they feel each run will sell out Just like they do with every board game.
I don't know how you can misunderstand this as it's exactly what I stated before.
Execution force is on direct only as they are no longer producing any more manufacturing runs. It is not selling enough anymore contrary to your prior claim it being a permanant product.

Or could it be that they are cycling out what is on the shelves due to the fact GW stores have a very limited shelf space. Hence why you generally can't get Black Library's entire range at GW stores or why certain kits are direct only in the first place? Could it be they're utilising common business practices? Could they be doing just that? SHOCKING.

Oh, and gungo old chap.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
FFIW: an email from GW says it isn't limited release:

GW Response to the Question!
Thank you for your e-mail.

We can indeed confirm that this will be a range item and will be available for the foreseeable future, so fear not! There will be time to add this awesome set to your collection.

I hope this helps!
Kind Regards

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321335-imperial-knight-renegade/page-11

It's called common English. If a product is not marked as Limited (for example, Space Hulk, Dreadfleet, The Void Shield Generator terrain piece, the Anniversary Space Marine) then it is indeed NOT limited. Stop trying to infer that it is. This is basic reading comprehension. This is your understanding of the term 'limited'. Or would you like to argue that the Orruk models coming out next week are also limited for the same reasons that you are claiming this is limited?

I mean, if you want to go that way technically everything GW produce is limited.

Guess you better go buy ten of everything to stick on ebay later.

 Deadshot wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
It is strange they have put so many Orruk items onto one week's preorder list. They havent done this for a long time. My guess is they will offer rules for 'Nauts to use in IKR, as already mentioned.

This way they can let people buy the AoS models over several weeks but also keep the 40k crowd busy with playing IKR. Eldar the week after? Tau?

Stompas and Lords of Skulls, although they would be interesting and welcome opponents for IKR, seem to be of a different weight class. Not saying it wouldnt make sense but at least in 40k they cost double the points.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also IKR was called a Core Game on the leaked GW order list last week - which could be a hint it will get supplemental content, at least via WD Weekly and/or online.

Well, looking at the Orks codex, Orkanauts are only walkers so they'd be extremely vulnerable to Knights, and you only get 1.5 per Knight. I think it'll maybe be a way for 2 Orkanoughts to fit a single knight, as a single knught would easily overpower them, considering their strongest gun is Str 8 and their CC is 10, while the Knight has Thermal cannons and Str D attacks.

Good points. Regarding 40k maybe the 'Nauts will get the same treatment as the Wraithknight in a future Codex, who was a MC in 6th edition and didnt have access to D weapons until the Craftworld book. As the Renegade game has its own rules, GW could change the Nauts' profiles already. But you are correct, Knights are much better. And they would have to either enhance them ruleswise or find other balancing mechanics like 1vs2 missions.

GW has been very vague and contradictory on product shelf life as of late. It benefits them to be that way, so you run out and buy it NOW! Knights is a core product, whatever that means. Until it isn't any more. At some point decided by GW, which may be three months or 3 years from now.

 totalfailure wrote:
GW has been very vague and contradictory on product shelf life as of late. It benefits them to be that way, so you run out and buy it NOW! Knights is a core product, whatever that means. Until it isn't any more. At some point decided by GW, which may be three months or 3 years from now.

To be fair, the only people saying it's "limited" are independent retailers.

Nothing against them--but it could be that it's intended to be a splash release to them and then shift to a "core" item at their own shops.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 totalfailure wrote:
GW has been very vague and contradictory on product shelf life as of late. It benefits them to be that way, so you run out and buy it NOW! Knights is a core product, whatever that means. Until it isn't any more. At some point decided by GW, which may be three months or 3 years from now.

To be fair, the only people saying it's "limited" are independent retailers.

Nothing against them--but it could be that it's intended to be a splash release to them and then shift to a "core" item at their own shops.

Which incidentally is pretty good idea. There IS limit on how many boxes you can really expect to sell those quickly. As it is after initial period all products suffer slowdown. And that's one big box. Big expensive boxes that don't sell at high pace aren't that effective for stores. They want generally stuff that moves at fast pace.

So makes sense to have it online only after certain period.

Charax wrote:
True, but it is the most likely source of where GW borrowed the idea from, wouldn't be the first time they've been "Inspired" by SST

Gonna say... look at the Cadians armour.

Is there any confirmation that the chaos knight rules will be in White Dwarf? I really don't want to buy the whole box just for two pages of rules.

 Kavish wrote:
Is there any confirmation that the chaos knight rules will be in White Dwarf? I really don't want to buy the whole box just for two pages of rules.

It's in the game box set. Wasn't in the White Dwarf.

 Kavish wrote:
Is there any confirmation that the chaos knight rules will be in White Dwarf? I really don't want to buy the whole box just for two pages of rules.

Yes, they'll be in this weeks (WD 117). Should feature rules for Chaos Marks on Knights, and a formation of 3 Knights (though I can't remember any details on rules)

If it has not been confirmed yet, Renegade is indeed a limited run (at least, GW have told our store there will be no more after this order).

Ours arrived yesterday, and I penned a few thoughts on it. Link in the sig, if anyone is interested (if you aren't, I can give you the short version - it is a box set with two Knights for £120. You decide whether it is worth it!).

Might that not mean that it's limited for stores though, and might still be up for direct sale?

 Mymearan wrote:
Might that not mean that it's limited for stores though, and might still be up for direct sale?

Perhaps, though I am trying to think of something else released recently that did that...

That still wouldn't stop them from doing an encore print run due to "high demand", might be a year or two like space hulk, but still always possible.

 Kavish wrote:
Is there any confirmation that the chaos knight rules will be in White Dwarf? I really don't want to buy the whole box just for two pages of rules.

I'm sure someone wanting just the models would be happy to mail the useless rules stuff to you...

MongooseMatt wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Might that not mean that it's limited for stores though, and might still be up for direct sale?

Perhaps, though I am trying to think of something else released recently that did that...

Wasn't there a game, with Assassins, that has now been cycled off shelves to be replaced by this very new game...but is still available from Direct?

Assassinorum: Execution Force to be fair, wasn't half bad. I feel a lot more effort could have been put into the box though, models wise. 4 brand spanking new assassin models, 1 old CSM Lord, 3 ancient plastic CSMs and 15 DV cultists was a pretty crap deal.

I'd rather play execution squad. Far cheaper, more useful in 40k, etc. Why would I want to use to ginormous imperial knights when I could just download the rules and use epic titans? Or just play battletech?

Sorry gw, this game is a flop. Execution squad is far better, battle at calth, even better, deathwatch, even better yet, space hulk.. top of the hill

 455_PWR wrote:
Why would I want to use to ginormous imperial knights

The answer is in your question.

"Flop?"

I would expect it to sell VERY well. Better than Assassins, for sure. Probably similar dollar value to Horus Heresy.

It is two knights and scenery for the cost of one knight and scenery. Calling it a flop is quite possibly the most dillusional post recorded here today.

His post was about the game itself, I'm sure he wasn't commenting on the obvious cost savings.

I agree, there's little reason to buy this if you're looking for a new game; it's obviously been packaged to drive sales of certain models, not to be a real stand-alone game that will broadly be played.

The game part of this already existed in wd. They just bundled it in to justify a box set with savings. Many of these board games seem lime they work well out of the box but have limited expansion opportunities, but give you a small force to start into 40k.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Charax wrote:
True, but it is the most likely source of where GW borrowed the idea from, wouldn't be the first time they've been "Inspired" by SST

Gonna say... look at the Cadians armour.

Snuh? Mobile Infantry armor looks more like what Space Marines wear.

I think a lot of people, when hearing SST, think of the movie first and not the novel.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Snuh? Mobile Infantry armor looks more like what Space Marines wear.

HAHAHAHA
OH, It's funny because the film and the novel differ in their depictions of the Mobile Infantry!

Such a discrepancy has never been pointed out before! and your comment generates humour by conflating the two and implying that the comment was directed towards the depiction from the book and not the movie, as was obviously the case.

Such wit, good sir, well played indeed

Knights dispatched. If I'm lucky they'll be here tomorrow

 BrookM wrote:
I think a lot of people, when hearing SST, think of the movie first and not the novel.

How could you not, really? Klendathu Drop is awesome

 Theophony wrote:
That still wouldn't stop them from doing an encore print run due to "high demand", might be a year or two like space hulk, but still always possible.

Because reacting to demand is bad for Corporation and Consumers?

Unless this comes with Limited Edition stamped on it (it wont), then it's really a non-issue.

for those who wish to squint (from adeptus astartes on facebook)

Is that some kind of monster hand holding the top corner of the book or is a cat reading the rules?

These are Atia's photos. They were posted on B&C and her blog earlier

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321335-imperial-knight-renegade/page-12#entry4371656

The fella is Sansa, her cat (afaik)












More pics on B&C

Warhams-77 wrote:

The fella is Sansa, her cat (afaik)

Not included in the box set, apparently...

Picked my copy earlier this morning, can't wait to get building again.

Need to make it to payday, then i'll pick up a copy. Funny enough I need some regular non FW knights. This deal is sweet and my kids have expressed interest in playing with me which is a sell to the wife.

When does the WD go on sale? Not planning on getting the game but still want those rules.

 kitch102 wrote:

 Kavish wrote:
Is there any confirmation that the chaos knight rules will be in White Dwarf? I really don't want to buy the whole box just for two pages of rules.

Yes, they'll be in this weeks (WD 117). Should feature rules for Chaos Marks on Knights, and a formation of 3 Knights (though I can't remember any details on rules)

So the specific rules for chaos knights (instead of renegade knights) and their formations will only be in white dwarf or are we talking about the same ones from the game?

 Rainyday wrote:

 kitch102 wrote:

 Kavish wrote:
Is there any confirmation that the chaos knight rules will be in White Dwarf? I really don't want to buy the whole box just for two pages of rules.

Yes, they'll be in this weeks (WD 117). Should feature rules for Chaos Marks on Knights, and a formation of 3 Knights (though I can't remember any details on rules)

So the specific rules for chaos knights (instead of renegade knights) and their formations will only be in white dwarf or are we talking about the same ones from the game?

I won't be surprised to see them release the Renegade Knight rules as a PDF on the website. That's what they did for the DW:O units.

New flyer kits and a supplement incoming


Darnok on Warseer

Re: Flyer Game - Summer 2016

The OP is actually right, but there are two more flyers and a supplement coming before the "flyer game".

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?417606-Flyer-Game-Summer-2016&p=7619295&viewfull=1#post7619295


To refresh memory - the original rumor from Sad Panda

It appears GW might also do something similar (2 old models, 1 mini-game + discount in a box) with flyers later this year.

#summerofflyersisreal

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/687062.page#8584217

I REALLY hope it's not a Marauder Bomber...

(just kidding. I WANT A MARAUDER BOMBER!)

lol

I want a frikkin plastic ZZZZunderhaaawk

Were there mentions if it's Imperial, Xenos, or Chaos flyers?

No, only what I quoted

Warhams-77 wrote:
New flyer kits incoming


Darnok on Warseer

Re: Flyer Game - Summer 2016

The OP is actually right, but there are two more flyers and a supplement coming before the "flyer game".

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?417606-Flyer-Game-Summer-2016&p=7619295&viewfull=1#post7619295

Oh, please be a plastic Lord of Change.

Lord of Change isn't a flyer.

Sad Panda said no for a LoC until the end of 2016

A plastic Thunderbolt would be grand.

Plastic MegaDred would be even better.

 BrookM wrote:
A plastic Thunderbolt would be grand.

It's starting to make me wonder why FW removed some of their old aircraft weapons.

Plastic Fire Raptor. Please.

It will be interesting to see what models they choose for the flyer game. Renegade is effectively a IK starter set with models that can both be used with several armies. Flyers are much more faction specific and that is probably going to effect its popularity.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that 1 of the new flyers will be for Space Marines.

I was waiting to buy the Knight tomorrow in store, however I just noticed that on GW, the price went from $190 to $290 (I have a the webpage up twice, because I enjoy having multiple tabs open). Can anyone confirm this price increase? Did I screw myself over by not pre-ordering it?

My copy was $195. Got a slight discount. So...definitely wasn't $290.

Says $195 on my screen. Check the top right to see if your "delivering to" region got changed somehow?

sturgeondtd wrote:
I was waiting to buy the Knight tomorrow in store, however I just noticed that on GW, the price went from $190 to $290 (I have a the webpage up twice, because I enjoy having multiple tabs open). Can anyone confirm this price increase? Did I screw myself over by not pre-ordering it?

Australia/New Zealand page?

UK price hasn't changed, tried US as well and still $195.

^^^ Somehow my page came up as the Australian page, gave me a heart attack, God save you Aussies and your crazy prices

He's almost definitely on the NZ page, as it's *only* $245 here.

$290 sounds about as much as they'd screw the Kiwis for.

(Red stars = NZ dammit, there's a difference!)

Yeah, you guys get really screwed on these prices. You'd be better off probably finding an eBay seller who is willing to ship to you.

Got my box home and looked through the rules for the boardgame. It actually sounds pretty fun! Can't wait to get these bad boys assembled and painted!

The rules are on two pages, quite easy to use, plus you can use whatever loadout you like for your Knights, not just the two provided.

Before I buy today's White Dwarf (117) can anyone who already has confirm if it contains rules for Renegade Knights with Marks of Chaos?

Both is wrong

The rules are only available in the game. There are no marks for Renegade Knights.

Print these: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/321335-imperial-knight-renegade/page-12#entry4371656



Edit: What?

Yeah the WD has chaos Knights, not renegade Knights.
Edit: although I think it's next week not this week?

Today's issue does NOT contain Knight rules


Automatically Appended Next Post:
These are the only rules available - from the IK:R game box





Photos by Atia

I went to buy this week's white dwarf, opened it up with the owner and it's ALL AoS Orruks. 100%. Ok, except the back page that is noise marines. Because I bought the Renegade box anyway, he told me not to take the WD, since it didn't have what I was looking for.
But yes, for anyone wondering: NO RENEGADE RULES IN THIS WEEK'S WD!!

Why are there noise marines on the back page?

It was on the page that had the information for Dakka for next week. Just an image of them. Looked like the current model with LOTS of conversions everywhere. Heads and a unit champion that looked much different. I'm not familiar with Forgeworld NM stuff, but I'm assuming they were probably FW parts added on.

Anyone have a clean print of the rules? I'd like to use a version that doesn't have a cat in it.

Eh. I picked up the box this weekend. It is impressively heavy.

It really is a great box. They should have put in a 2nd weapon sprue though, esp. with the renegade knight rules having dual gats. Not having easy access to those weapons is annoying, and bit sites for those parts are both outrageous and out of stock.

 gigasnail wrote:
It really is a great box. They should have put in a 2nd weapon sprue though, esp. with the renegade knight rules having dual gats. Not having easy access to those weapons is annoying, and bit sites for those parts are both outrageous and out of stock.

Yeah, but now they can trick you into buying a third Knight!

Honestly, they should sell the upgrade sprue separate the way they do for the Land Raider Crusader.

Joyboozer wrote:
Why are there noise marines on the back page?

and why are all the csm tacticals & noise marine upgrade kits and several other csm items "sold out" on GW suddenly? Methinks something new is coming!

 russian69hitman wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Why are there noise marines on the back page?

and why are all the csm tacticals & noise marine upgrade kits and several other csm items "sold out" on GW suddenly? Methinks something new is coming!

Almost all of the upgrade packs are available on the US GW site, so I don't know what you are getting at.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 russian69hitman wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Why are there noise marines on the back page?

and why are all the csm tacticals & noise marine upgrade kits and several other csm items "sold out" on GW suddenly? Methinks something new is coming!

Almost all of the upgrade packs are available on the US GW site, so I don't know what you are getting at.

There's 13 "fundamental" Chaos items "sold out" on GW USA.

Black legion pads, Death Guard Pads, Chaos Space Marines Sorcerer with Force Staff and Plasma Pistol, Emperor's Children Lord, Chaos Space Marines Biker Upgrade Pack, Chaos Space Marines Bike, Possessed, Traitors of Chaos, Crimson Slaughter: A Codex Supplement, Black Legion: Codex Chaos Space Marines Supplement, The Warhammer 40,000 Chaos Collection, Chaos Space Marines, & Crimson Slaughter: A Dark Vengeance Expansion Set.

I am hoping (since I am putting together a Nurgle army & a GW insider friend of mine for 10 years has hinted at) a new Chaos codex & minis coming out later this year. Or maybe they are retiring some of those things. Who knows. However, we usually see soon-to-be-redone lines start to be "sold out" online....

On the UK site there's also - Chaos Space Marines Tank Accessories, Chaos Space Marines Vehicle Accessories, Chaos Space Marines Chirugeon Backpack, Chaos Mutations, Chaos Space Marines Iron Warrior Shoulder Pads, Chaos Space Marines Emperor's Children Shoulder Pads - sold out as well.....

 russian69hitman wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 russian69hitman wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Why are there noise marines on the back page?

and why are all the csm tacticals & noise marine upgrade kits and several other csm items "sold out" on GW suddenly? Methinks something new is coming!

Almost all of the upgrade packs are available on the US GW site, so I don't know what you are getting at.

There's 13 "fundamental" Chaos items "sold out" on GW USA.

Black legion pads, Death Guard Pads, Chaos Space Marines Sorcerer with Force Staff and Plasma Pistol, Emperor's Children Lord, Chaos Space Marines Biker Upgrade Pack, Chaos Space Marines Bike, Possessed, Traitors of Chaos, Crimson Slaughter: A Codex Supplement, Black Legion: Codex Chaos Space Marines Supplement, The Warhammer 40,000 Chaos Collection, Chaos Space Marines, & Crimson Slaughter: A Dark Vengeance Expansion Set.

I am hoping (since I am putting together a Nurgle army & a GW insider friend of mine for 10 years has hinted at) a new Chaos codex & minis coming out later this year. Or maybe they are retiring some of those things. Who knows. However, we usually see soon-to-be-redone lines start to be "sold out" online....

On the UK site there's also - Chaos Space Marines Tank Accessories, Chaos Space Marines Vehicle Accessories, Chaos Space Marines Chirugeon Backpack, Chaos Mutations, Chaos Space Marines Iron Warrior Shoulder Pads, Chaos Space Marines Emperor's Children Shoulder Pads - sold out as well.....

Very reliable sources have already specified no CSM book until next year at the earliest. Unless that schedule moved up drastically (yeah right), I wouldn't hold your breath.

For those wanting to keep up with the CSM rumours see -

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/690343.page

I new I wasn't alone in this!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Honestly, they should sell the upgrade sprue separate the way they do for the Land Raider Crusader.

That would sell very nicely indeed!

Those upgrade sprues go out of stock all the time, they just do another run.

I agree there may be something in the works but not just CSM. Way too many models are "sold out" "no longer available" instead of just being "temporarily out of stock". Look other factions too. . Maybe new models in the works? Or is GW having production issues?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
But yes, for anyone wondering: NO RENEGADE RULES IN THIS WEEK'S WD!!

They're in the box set, aren't they? I could have sworn I saw unit profiles amongst the assembly instructions.

 Breotan wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
But yes, for anyone wondering: NO RENEGADE RULES IN THIS WEEK'S WD!!

They're in the box set, aren't they? I could have sworn I saw unit profiles amongst the assembly instructions.

They are, but there was talk of updated Chaos knight rules in WD, with marks an' stuff

 Breotan wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
But yes, for anyone wondering: NO RENEGADE RULES IN THIS WEEK'S WD!!

They're in the box set, aren't they? I could have sworn I saw unit profiles amongst the assembly instructions.

They're at the back of the mission book for Renegade. Assembly instructions are just for the Knight Warden kit.

Nice cat hehehe. Are the renegade rules in the box set legal in games of 40K?

 Fishboy wrote:
Nice cat hehehe. Are the renegade rules in the box set legal in games of 40K?

Yes, they ally just as if they were Chaos Space Marines.

 Fishboy wrote:
Are the renegade rules in the box set legal in games of 40K?

Does it specifically say they aren't?

No?

Then play them.

John I did not know so I figured I would ask heh. My daughters Barbie dolls don't say I can't play them so I guess I will include those too (note the humorous sarcasm please heh). They can wreck any Titan (c;

I also was not sure if the renegade sheet stated they were for games of 40k specifically.

 Fishboy wrote:
My daughters Barbie dolls don't say I can't play them so I guess I will include those too.

Counts as St. Celestine?

 Fishboy wrote:
I also was not sure if the renegade sheet stated they were for games of 40k specifically.

The first 2 lines under Renegade Knights on the first picture in the first post of this page specifically says that those rules are for Warhammer 40,000. You might need to zoom in to read it (or get the actual printed copy), but it's there.

Nothing says "cogent rules design" like putting rules for a different game inside a board-game with a completely different ruleset, leaving the only people with those rules being the ones that shelled out for the game.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nothing says "cogent rules design" like putting rules for a different game inside a board-game with a completely different ruleset, leaving the only people with those rules being the ones that shelled out for the game.

Isn't that basically what happened with all of the Start Collecting boxed sets? Though I agree, it seems like they should release the rules for the Renegade Knight either in PDF form or in a White Dwarf.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nothing says "cogent rules design" like putting rules for a different game inside a board-game with a completely different ruleset, leaving the only people with those rules being the ones that shelled out for the game.

Isn't that basically what happened with all of the Start Collecting boxed sets? Though I agree, it seems like they should release the rules for the Renegade Knight either in PDF form or in a White Dwarf.

I thought the rules for the renegade knight had already been in WD?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Isn't that basically what happened with all of the Start Collecting boxed sets? Though I agree, it seems like they should release the rules for the Renegade Knight either in PDF form or in a White Dwarf.

I'm pretty sure that's how the 40k Dark Vengeance starter works, with a complete microgame using the supplied components, and the ability to translate up to the full game. It's also consistent with the Knight Warden assembly pamphlet which contains rules for Knights.

I suspect that the Renegade Knight rules should be available for a pittance on eBay.

 General Kroll wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nothing says "cogent rules design" like putting rules for a different game inside a board-game with a completely different ruleset, leaving the only people with those rules being the ones that shelled out for the game.

Isn't that basically what happened with all of the Start Collecting boxed sets? Though I agree, it seems like they should release the rules for the Renegade Knight either in PDF form or in a White Dwarf.

I thought the rules for the renegade knight had already been in WD?

Rules for the game, not for the unit.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nothing says "cogent rules design" like putting rules for a different game inside a board-game with a completely different ruleset, leaving the only people with those rules being the ones that shelled out for the game.

Isn't that basically what happened with all of the Start Collecting boxed sets? Though I agree, it seems like they should release the rules for the Renegade Knight either in PDF form or in a White Dwarf.

I thought the rules for the renegade knight had already been in WD?

Rules for the game, not for the unit.

Fair enough, I must just be remembering the leaks on here than. They should fix that.

Avadar wrote:

 Fishboy wrote:
I also was not sure if the renegade sheet stated they were for games of 40k specifically.

The first 2 lines under Renegade Knights on the first picture in the first post of this page specifically says that those rules are for Warhammer 40,000. You might need to zoom in to read it (or get the actual printed copy), but it's there.

Yep.
"This section of Imperial Knights: Renegade provides you with the rules necessary to include a Renegade Knight in your games of Warhammer 40,000"

It's right there on the page.

 General Kroll wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nothing says "cogent rules design" like putting rules for a different game inside a board-game with a completely different ruleset, leaving the only people with those rules being the ones that shelled out for the game.

Isn't that basically what happened with all of the Start Collecting boxed sets? Though I agree, it seems like they should release the rules for the Renegade Knight either in PDF form or in a White Dwarf.

I thought the rules for the renegade knight had already been in WD?

Rules for the game, not for the unit.

Fair enough, I must just be remembering the leaks on here than. They should fix that.

I would be likely to download and have a read of the rules, if they were available. Might even buy a knight. I don't need/want two of them.

Currently listed as "sold out" on the UK website:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Imperial-Knights-Renegade-ENG

No idea if this is temporary or if we will see another print run. It is listed as "no longer available" though.

I'm screaming at myself, had been holding off buying this. It's now sold out everywhere including ebay!

If I had realised it was going to have such a short shelf life I would have brought it as soon as it came out.

Does this mean the likes of overkill and death masque are going to become unavailable sooner rather than later?

I guess it's time for me to raise the price on the one I've got for sale!

Ordered a second one today for cheap off ebay. Nick of time I guess!

Edit: Still up on US site and ebay, if anyone stateside is on the fence.

Yeah, still on GW US. But for how much longer? Dun-dun-dun!

I recently got renegade and the ik codex from dicehead for about the msrp is... I've got everything magnetized and primed..

Swung by the local GW store and ZERO copies of IK:R on the shelf!

Yup, about 6 months back GW stopped doing the "while supplies last" thing for almost every thing they did for a short print. There are still limited supply of books like collector numbered editions and such, and because of print runs I am sure the data card packs are still like that as well. BUT supposedly now there is a 90 clock on every thing not part of the main lines. They review sales during the 90 day and choose to extend the clock or let it go away after the 90 days are up. So no more plasma turret tower or shield generator crap like the last few years where no one could get a hold of it with out being held for ransom. Pretty sure Renegade is past that 90 mark.