How is Guilliman's blood supposed to produce anything other than what exactly we already have with Astartes?
If this new ultraastartes proves to be something more than a low ball trolling, I think I will have finally aged out of 40k.
We don't know that Guilliman's blood factors into it at all. All we know is that it involves Cawl and Guilliman working together.
And hopefully its just new armor and bolters. Not just them making Guillstartes.
Amen.
New armours and weapons would be cool. Guillastartes would be lamer than SE
Have them take some inspiration from how the Custodian Armor is, just grants them like Move Through Cover, maybe a Str increase. Stronger Bolters, again like the Custodes, with their Mini-Heavy Bolters.
Chikout wrote: Hastings has popped up on the war of sigmar blog saying there will be completely new imperial units made by guillemot and Cawl that will include new types of marines and will feature in a new starter set later this year.
That's how I see it aswell everyone has a space marine or two. But I do not see a lot being bought just people who bought them a long time ago. Battle of calth people ate up but that was for 30k not 40k.
The last hotness for 40k was what.. Thousand sons and death watch? All of which grew in size and bling?
For GW poster boys of 40k tau and eldar are just better. They will bring back an elite army squat all non ultramarine armies. Give them the name like ultra marines.
The fact that Abby is running too ultramar shows it is the focus. The end of the black crusades. The rebirth of the great crusade to retake the Galaxy like in AoS. Chaos everywhere ultra marines come to save the Galaxy and retake it for the emperor robot Killyman.
The end is now and rebirth of the Galaxy with 6 inch marines with Kung fu grip.
Ok how the hell did spell check make ultrai into ukrain lol.
ST and Last Chance having a lot to do with it isn't obvious at all - you're not presenting a case so much as making a claim on the internet without support, then backing it up with a claim to qualification (you may well be who you say, but as Internet, you'll forgive me not taking it at face value)
It is obvious, especially in ST case. This was a large scale release that sold so well that they just urgently made another new (repackaged) ST game to ride in its wave.
Still not obvious. Despite the common name, Hammerhal is closer to Quest than Silver Tower was - pre-set Dungeons, need for a dungeon master - Silver Tower had neither of those features.
And that's still not answering why you claim Stormcast Eternals, and one assumes by extension AoS, aren't a large part of GW's recent change in fortunes?
The first part of your post is a bit irrelevant. If ST was a failure, it,s pretty obvious that they wouldn't have rushed a part 2. It being closer to originat WHQ has nothing to do with my argument
As for the second part , well, there is nothing to suggest that it's the case. THe only reliable rumour monger who said something on the subject is Hasting, who said that AOS was not selling well anywhere (granted that was a year ago), and the latest ICV2 top 5 chart who still doen't have AOS in it , even if again, it's a pretty old report (it's worth noting that WHFB was in there, except for the last few years of its existence.). If there is a good indication that SE are selling well, I haven't seen it, and I would greatly appreciate that you share it with me.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Likely pure Geneseed extraction from Guilliman rather than his red stuff.
I've not read many of the spoilers, but do we know what Cawl's Quest of 10,000 years was by the end of the book (yes or no will do, don't want to know what it is!)
Chikout wrote: Hastings has popped up on the war of sigmar blog saying there will be completely new imperial units made by guillemot and Cawl that will include new types of marines and will feature in a new starter set later this year.
75hastings69 wrote:I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )
Without trying to sound like a dick I've known for almost 9 months where this story was going and who revived RG etc. if the rest of what I was told is true (new marines, Mortarion and his plague armies etc.) then there are truly some very exciting times coming for 40k players/hobbyists!
Anon wrote:New marines as in Imperial or Chaos?
75hastings69 wrote:Imperial
*EDIT, there will of course be new Chaos Marines models, but I am referring to a totally new kind of Marine, those created on Mars by Cawl & RG along with the other new machineries of war.
See one of my original posts here....
Anon wrote:I can well imagine some kind of Mk9 marine bred from custodes or grey knight genestock with some new goodness. Perhaps they'll even be true scale! Then we'll all have to buy all our marines all over again.
75hastings69 wrote:New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?
Anon wrote:SO Mark 9 power armour?
75hastings69 wrote:Not only the armour will change
Except the ICV2 report is fundamentally flawed, on account GW themselves don't contribute towards it....one would think being a professor of business administration, you'd be aware of that.
But. We can extrapolate some of the missing data. GW's reports offer territorial breakdown of earnings, and by the channels in each.
US Trade (which would feature in the ICV2 report) - £11,132,00.
US Retail (which doesn't feature in the ICV2) - £7,044,000
So at best, assuming the ICV2 got data from all 3rd Party US sellers, [i]it only accounts for around 60% or so of GW's sales in North America[\i]. Therefore for any serious business type, it's data is incomplete, and thus of limited if not outright questionable value for that market.
As for Hastings....dude knows his studio stuff, but financials? I'm not exactly persuaded he'd have that info - and it flew in the face of what my GW manager chums were telling me (the advantages of being a former staffer - about 7 years ago now if that's of any relevance).
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Except the ICV2 report is fundamentally flawed, on account GW themselves don't contribute towards it....one would think being a professor of business administration, you'd be aware of that.
But. We can extrapolate some of the missing data. GW's reports offer territorial breakdown of earnings, and by the channels in each.
US Trade (which would feature in the ICV2 report) - £11,132,00.
US Retail (which doesn't feature in the ICV2) - £7,044,000
So at best, assuming the ICV2 got data from all 3rd Party US sellers, [i]it only accounts for around 60% or so of GW's sales in North America[\i]. Therefore for any serious business type, it's data is incomplete, and thus of limited if not outright questionable value for that market.
As for Hastings....dude knows his studio stuff, but financials? I'm not exactly persuaded he'd have that info - and it flew in the face of what my GW manager chums were telling me (the advantages of being a former staffer - about 7 years ago now if that's of any relevance).
I'm perfectly aware of the limitations of the ICV2 chart. No need to be an ass. But it's the best one we have. And while it seem pretty obvious to me, I guess I have to explain to you that if there was a big spike in AOS sales compared to WHFB, it would have shown in ICV2 report, UNLESS you have indication that this spike doesn't apply to the US trade sector (and again, there is nothing to suggest that it's the case).Unless you have some credible facts, this discussion is useless. Your only argument so far has pretty much ''I want it to be true so it is true''.
And let's just say I give more credibility to what Hasting said on the subject than some random internet poster
Chikout wrote: Hastings has popped up on the war of sigmar blog saying there will be completely new imperial units made by guillemot and Cawl that will include new types of marines and will feature in a new starter set later this year.
75hastings69 wrote:I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )
Without trying to sound like a dick I've known for almost 9 months where this story was going and who revived RG etc. if the rest of what I was told is true (new marines, Mortarion and his plague armies etc.) then there are truly some very exciting times coming for 40k players/hobbyists!
Anon wrote:New marines as in Imperial or Chaos?
75hastings69 wrote:Imperial
*EDIT, there will of course be new Chaos Marines models, but I am referring to a totally new kind of Marine, those created on Mars by Cawl & RG along with the other new machineries of war.
See one of my original posts here....
Anon wrote:I can well imagine some kind of Mk9 marine bred from custodes or grey knight genestock with some new goodness. Perhaps they'll even be true scale! Then we'll all have to buy all our marines all over again.
75hastings69 wrote:New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?
Anon wrote:SO Mark 9 power armour?
75hastings69 wrote:Not only the armour will change
It sounds more and more like a complete disaster. :(
What if Roundtree is far more evil than Kirby and has been engaging in a elaborate Lorgarian plot by which he gains our trust and then betrays us in such a manner that he ascends to daemon hood. Furthermore, he had secretly enlisted the help of the hell-knight Ward who was bitter with being made fun of for the spiritual leige comment. Now he has killed the Emperor and left only Guilliman and all new Astartes that Guilliman is the literal spiritual leige of.
Chikout wrote: Hastings has popped up on the war of sigmar blog saying there will be completely new imperial units made by guillemot and Cawl that will include new types of marines and will feature in a new starter set later this year.
Chikout wrote: Hastings has popped up on the war of sigmar blog saying there will be completely new imperial units made by guillemot and Cawl that will include new types of marines and will feature in a new starter set later this year.
75hastings69 wrote:I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )
Without trying to sound like a dick I've known for almost 9 months where this story was going and who revived RG etc. if the rest of what I was told is true (new marines, Mortarion and his plague armies etc.) then there are truly some very exciting times coming for 40k players/hobbyists!
Anon wrote:New marines as in Imperial or Chaos?
75hastings69 wrote:Imperial
*EDIT, there will of course be new Chaos Marines models, but I am referring to a totally new kind of Marine, those created on Mars by Cawl & RG along with the other new machineries of war.
See one of my original posts here....
Anon wrote:I can well imagine some kind of Mk9 marine bred from custodes or grey knight genestock with some new goodness. Perhaps they'll even be true scale! Then we'll all have to buy all our marines all over again.
75hastings69 wrote:New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?
Anon wrote:SO Mark 9 power armour?
75hastings69 wrote:Not only the armour will change
It sounds more and more like a complete disaster. :(
Clearly its just an implication that its also new Weapons and Rhinos right? Right?
The first part of your post is a bit irrelevant. If ST was a failure, it,s pretty obvious that they wouldn't have rushed a part 2. It being closer to originat WHQ has nothing to do with my argument
As for the second part , well, there is nothing to suggest that it's the case. THe only reliable rumour monger who said something on the subject is Hasting, who said that AOS was not selling well anywhere (granted that was a year ago), and the latest ICV2 top 5 chart who still doen't have AOS in it , even if again, it's a pretty old report (it's worth noting that WHFB was in there, except for the last few years of its existence.). If there is a good indication that SE are selling well, I haven't seen it, and I would greatly appreciate that you share it with me.
If Stormcasts were a failure why did they increase their available kits for a third time? If investing in molds for ST is a sticking point for you then excluding everything else seems a bit backwards.
Anyway we should shut up on this and i'll avoid going for the last word.
Guys, there are whole threads in another section of the forum for discussing financial results. Go play there and let us enjoy the sweet, juicy rumours, please?
New Marine kits could be cool. Imagine something done to the quality of Darren Latham's GS Cult minis, detail, posing and proportions-wise. It would be hard to say no to...
JohnnyHell wrote: I don't even know what "on topic" means anymore...
Neither do GW, evidently.
Honestly the thing I'm most looking forward to is reading people's attempts to argue that this is totes different from End Times because they're not blowing up the existing setting in a literal, everything-actually-exploded sense, just in narrative, thematic, aesthetic, structural and rules senses
UltraUltras made from Magical Rowboat Blood, the Mechanicus is apparently suddenly cool beans with innovation and invention, and we've evidently gone from "It's five minutes to midnight and everyone is fundamentally doomed" to "YEAH BAY-BEE, Great Crusade 2.0 brah! *guitar solo*". But sure, it'll still be 40K, totally
EDIT: But hey, at least one mystery is solved - we know what they brought Ward back to do now
In the grim darkness of the future... there is only noblebright. I am quit afear to see what they do to the other factions that are about to get Gullimaned. Necrons become low tech scavengerS? Orks lawyer book worms? Tau sentient warp clouds? The Deathwatch allying with Xenos?
JohnnyHell wrote: I don't even know what "on topic" means anymore...
Neither do GW, evidently.
Honestly the thing I'm most looking forward to is reading people's attempts to argue that this is totes different from End Times because they're not blowing up the existing setting in a literal, everything-actually-exploded sense, just in narrative, thematic, aesthetic, structural and rules senses
UltraUltras made from Magical Rowboat Blood, the Mechanicus is apparently suddenly cool beans with innovation and invention, and we've evidently gone from "It's five minutes to midnight and everyone is fundamentally doomed" to "YEAH BAY-BEE, Great Crusade 2.0 brah! *guitar solo*". But sure, it'll still be 40K, totally
EDIT: But hey, at least one mystery is solved - we know what they brought Ward back to do now
At this point, the only hope is that this thing blow so badly (financially speaking), that they completely retcon it in a few years
75hastings69 wrote:New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?
Well. I had worries about this plot progression, yet it seems that it will probably be far worse than I had feared.
Depends what he means by that. He could be using them as an example of the size and style difference between the two.
I don't suppose its possible that as Hastings is more of a fantasy guy he's got his wires crossed after seeing/hearing stuff about an expanded Custodes range?
JohnnyHell wrote: I don't even know what "on topic" means anymore...
Neither do GW, evidently.
Honestly the thing I'm most looking forward to is reading people's attempts to argue that this is totes different from End Times because they're not blowing up the existing setting in a literal, everything-actually-exploded sense, just in narrative, thematic, aesthetic, structural and rules senses
UltraUltras made from Magical Rowboat Blood, the Mechanicus is apparently suddenly cool beans with innovation and invention, and we've evidently gone from "It's five minutes to midnight and everyone is fundamentally doomed" to "YEAH BAY-BEE, Great Crusade 2.0 brah! *guitar solo*". But sure, it'll still be 40K, totally
EDIT: But hey, at least one mystery is solved - we know what they brought Ward back to do now
At this point, the only hope is that this thing blow so badly (financially speaking), that they completely retcon it in a few years
Not really. At least it wasn't for the last few decades, That's why the plot was never really advancing, contrary to PP who constantly advanced it with each new book.
75hastings69 wrote:I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )
Ah, this is where the Xenos will probably come in. Most likely in campaign and starter boxes with the new Imperial units. I imagine getting royally trounced by the new Guillimarines as well.
I am still hoping we'll see some triumvirate action for Orks, Tau, Necrons and Tyranids as well. And since the overarching story mainly concerns Chaos, perhaps they'll see a lil' bit of Tri-love too, before being soundly whipped and sent packing back to the eye.
streetsamurai wrote: Not really. At least it wasn't for the last few decades, That's why the plot was never really advancing, contraly to PP who constantly advanced it with each new book.
yeah and people have reached the point where they want plot progression for 40k
That an absurd argument. Once again, claiming something without having any proof. How come you know that the plot advancement has anything to do with the increase in sales, and not something like Prospero and Calth?
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JohnnyHell wrote: Oh gods, not the setting/story thing again... after the financials this is like a Best Of Worst Of Dakka GW Threads thread...
JohnnyHell wrote: I don't even know what "on topic" means anymore...
Neither do GW, evidently.
Honestly the thing I'm most looking forward to is reading people's attempts to argue that this is totes different from End Times because they're not blowing up the existing setting in a literal, everything-actually-exploded sense, just in narrative, thematic, aesthetic, structural and rules senses
UltraUltras made from Magical Rowboat Blood, the Mechanicus is apparently suddenly cool beans with innovation and invention, and we've evidently gone from "It's five minutes to midnight and everyone is fundamentally doomed" to "YEAH BAY-BEE, Great Crusade 2.0 brah! *guitar solo*". But sure, it'll still be 40K, totally
EDIT: But hey, at least one mystery is solved - we know what they brought Ward back to do now
At this point, the only hope is that this thing blow so badly (financially speaking), that they completely retcon it in a few years
40k is quite clearly a story as well......
40K was a setting that takes place at the end of a story that was already told. It was the penultimate act of the third film in a trilogy, the last couple of chapters in the last book of the novel series.
Maybe I'm just wierd, but if I read a story all the way to the end and turn the last page to find the author essentially writing "SURPRISE! None of the narrative promises I made will be fulfilled because I want to keep selling you more books, so I'm ignoring 99.99% of my own foreshadowing to M. Night Shamalamadingdong up the place." my first thought would not be "oh cool, that was a satisfying end to this narrative journey".
75hastings69 wrote:I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )
Ah, this is where the Xenos will probably come in. Most likely in campaign and starter boxes with the new Imperial units. I imagine getting royally trounced by the new Guillimarines as well.
I am still hoping we'll see some triumvirate action for Orks, Tau, Necrons and Tyranids as well. And since the overarching story mainly concerns Chaos, perhaps they'll see a lil' bit of Tri-love too, before being soundly whipped and sent packing back to the eye.
People ACTUALLY doubted me when I said that all the xenos are dead and going to be irrelevant soon? I even said he would smash Vect into paste. The true reason I've not been making such fast progress on mt Ta'unar is I have doubts it will be worth finishing if all the xenos get so relegated to the background and so small and far releases that they may as well for all intents and purposes be squatted.
No one wins against RG, NU-marines, and space marines. All the things they put out will just be for the new Space Marine Empire to crush under their heels.
I know hastings has said no squatting will occur of any factions, but they could get SOB'ed. It sounds like that is the eventual long long term plan for the old marine models to slowly over time be phased out as the molds break down ect.
Let me get this straight, because this is the way I'm picturing this most recent turn of events.
Background wise we have all the loyalist marines destined for an all out offensive against the traitor marines on some planet, we'll call it Not-Istvaan III. Just as the armies engage, RGs fleet drops out of the warp and destroys the planet taking out almost all remaining loyalist chapters and a great majority of the traitors. RG then proceeds to earth to begin the second great crusade to cleanse the universe with his Not-Sigmarines.
Ruleswise we'll see the collapse of all remaining loyalist chapters so they can be consolidated into a single book. Space Marines replaced with a new mark of power armor to show their changes. The few loyalists who remain will join the last of the remaining 'traitor' legions on the new planet of sorcerers floating outside Fenris.
New boxed set is the lost chapters vs RGs Sigmarines!
People ACTUALLY doubted me when I said that all the xenos are dead and going to be irrelevant soon? I even said he would smash Vect into paste. The true reason I've not been making such fast progress on mt Ta'unar is I have doubts it will be worth finishing if all the xenos get so relegated to the background and so small and far releases that they may as well for all intents and purposes be squatted.
No one wins against RG, NU-marines, and space marines. All the things they put out will just be for the new Space Marine Empire to crush under their heels.
I know hastings has said no squatting will occur of any factions, but they could get SOB'ed. It sounds like that is the eventual long long term plan for the old marine models to slowly over time be phased out as the molds break down ect.
I mean he said even Orks were getting models so I fail to see the concern.
All those people who didn't think 40K would be AoS'd are going to look pretty silly if/when the first Gilmarine hits shelves.
Yodhrin wrote: 40K was a setting that takes place at the end of a story that was already told. It was the penultimate act of the third film in a trilogy, the last couple of chapters in the last book of the novel series.
No, 40K is a setting in which stories are told.
That's why there are books telling stories within the 40K setting, rather than a series of novels/sourcebooks that tell the ongoing and ever-changing story of 40K (ala BattleTech).
75hastings69 wrote:I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )
Ah, this is where the Xenos will probably come in. Most likely in campaign and starter boxes with the new Imperial units. I imagine getting royally trounced by the new Guillimarines as well.
I am still hoping we'll see some triumvirate action for Orks, Tau, Necrons and Tyranids as well. And since the overarching story mainly concerns Chaos, perhaps they'll see a lil' bit of Tri-love too, before being soundly whipped and sent packing back to the eye.
People ACTUALLY doubted me when I said that all the xenos are dead and going to be irrelevant soon? I even said he would smash Vect into paste. The true reason I've not been making such fast progress on mt Ta'unar is I have doubts it will be worth finishing if all the xenos get so relegated to the background and so small and far releases that they may as well for all intents and purposes be squatted.
No one wins against RG, NU-marines, and space marines. All the things they put out will just be for the new Space Marine Empire to crush under their heels.
I know hastings has said no squatting will occur of any factions, but they could get SOB'ed. It sounds like that is the eventual long long term plan for the old marine models to slowly over time be phased out as the molds break down ect.
Because you're talking out of your backside.
This thread is going to be pages of people instantly leaping to the worst possible version of what they can imagine and treating it as fact then?
Nope. The account making the comments you linked to was made in September 2016.
Automatically Appended Next Post: If hastings somehow verifies that that's his account that's different. But Disqus is very easy to spoof the name of someone in, it happens all the time with trolls on the system.
I didn't link to any account, and Hastings has been registered here since 2011, and there are posts here, on this board, from that user, on this subject, today.
Edit, no, my apologies, they've been quoted as such, but were pulled from the disqus account.
Azreal13 wrote: I didn't link to any account, and Hastings has been registered here since 2011, and there are posts here, on this board, from that user, on this subject, today.
Edit, no, my apologies, they've been quoted as such, but were pulled from the disqus account.
... ahem:
This is the Disqus profile for the "Hastings" there. It lists as "Joined Sep 3, 2016"
No avatar, almost no activity, nothing in the profile to prove it's actually the person in question. That's what I was saying.
I'll continue to wait for more reliable info.
I still didn't link to any account.
How is 121 comments "almost no activity" either? With 139 upvotes?
Just read some of the comment history, this is a valid account, and if you think he was posting troll stuff, as he's doing it on Lady Atia's blog, do t you think something would have been said.
You're trying to shoot the messenger, but the logical conclusion is that he is who he says.
Azreal13 wrote: but the logical conclusion is that he is who he says.
That's merely one of many logical conclusions. I am doubtful of anyone on Disqus. It's ridiculously easy to pretend to be someone else on that comment platform, to the point that it's been a recurring problem in a wide variety of places where I have joined conversations on the platform.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Given Girlyman's own new armor style, the idea of a new "Mk10"/"MkX" style of power armor is less silly and more believable to me than there being literally a brand new type of super-marines.
Given Girlyman's own new armor style, the idea of a new "Mk10"/"MkX" style of power armor is less silly and more believable to me than there being literally a brand new type of super-marines.
Yes, it would be far less silly, perfectly fine in fact. And I hope that's all there's to it.
But this discussion here gives me déjà vu about the discussion during the tail part of the fantasy End Times when the rumours about AOS started to drop. "Certainly they wouldn't do that, it would be far too silly."
This still sounds very weird to me though... Super space marines with high tech armour, isn't that the literal description of both custodes and/or grey knights? How can they possibly pull a genetic formula out of their ass that makes space marines made from the emperors gene pale in comparison?
Given Girlyman's own new armor style, the idea of a new "Mk10"/"MkX" style of power armor is less silly and more believable to me than there being literally a brand new type of super-marines.
Yes, it would be far less silly, perfectly fine in fact. And I hope that's all there's to it.
But this discussion here gives me déjà vu about the discussion during the tail part of the fantasy End Times when the rumours about AOS started to drop. "Certainly they wouldn't do that, it would be far too silly."
Yep, and it is worth noting that the actual AOS was actually far more silly than anyone had rumoured/imagined it to be. After this fiasco, I'm no longer willing to give the benefice of the doubt to GW.
There's a fine line between sceptical and wilfully contrary.
Azreal13 wrote: but the logical conclusion is that he is who he says.
That's merely one of many logical conclusions. I am doubtful of anyone on Disqus. It's ridiculously easy to pretend to be someone else on that comment platform, to the point that it's been a recurring problem in a wide variety of places where I have joined conversations on the platform.
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Either it's Hastings or it isn't, what he's saying is correct or it isn't. So that's, what, 4 combinations of logical conclusions? Given, as I said, he's posting on Atia's blog (and on some occasions interacting) one would assume that any trolling would be rather quickly exposed, wouldn't one?
Zewrath wrote: This still sounds very weird to me though... Super space marines with high tech armour, isn't that the literal description of both custodes and/or grey knights? How can they possibly pull a genetic formula out of their ass that makes space marines made from the emperors gene pale in comparison?
In goons summary of GS3
Spoiler:
RG was in the emperor's chamber for several days before exiting they don't talk about what went on in there but overall RG talks about bringing new tech to counter the invasions going on in the galaxy.
"Your Primarchness! We have invented a new weapon for the Astra Militarum! It will illuminate the dark corners of the galaxy and scourge the invaders from your new Imperium! The Armies of the Imperium will be doubly effective in the new Crusade."
"Cawl, that's... is that just two lasguns taped together?"
"Ummmmmyes?"
"Begone."
"So you probably don't want to see the Combi-Storm Bolter then..."
"LEAVE OR I WILL DUCT TAPE YOUR MECHADENDRITES TO MY DROP POD."
"Well, actually, as a Monstrous Creat... I'MGOINGI'MGOING"
Zewrath wrote: This still sounds very weird to me though... Super space marines with high tech armour, isn't that the literal description of both custodes and/or grey knights? How can they possibly pull a genetic formula out of their ass that makes space marines made from the emperors gene pale in comparison?
In goons summary of GS3
Spoiler:
RG was in the emperor's chamber for several days before exiting they don't talk about what went on in there but overall RG talks about bringing new tech to counter the invasions going on in the galaxy.
Spoiler:
Specifically RG talks about how a great darkness is coming and they have to do something about it or they're fethed, so the emp must have told him about that.
Given Girlyman's own new armor style, the idea of a new "Mk10"/"MkX" style of power armor is less silly and more believable to me than there being literally a brand new type of super-marines.
Yes, it would be far less silly, perfectly fine in fact. And I hope that's all there's to it.
But this discussion here gives me déjà vu about the discussion during the tail part of the fantasy End Times when the rumours about AOS started to drop. "Certainly they wouldn't do that, it would be far too silly."
Saying "I find this more likely" doesn't mean "nothing else will ever happen nope never".
Anyways here are some other posts from this hastings account from 6 months ago, again on one of Atia's posts:
"Looks good. I'm looking forward to seeing Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, Russ & Guilliman now "
"Imagine how the sigmarines are to the standard empire soldier. Wouldn't it be a weird twist of fate if AoS copy pasted space marines into the fantasy setting as Sigmar's answer to chaos always winning, that somehow w40k kind of copy pasted the end times and reboot of fantasy AoS into 40k with the same fundamental idea..... hence new marines will spearhead offensive for the emperor following on from current w40k fluff events/outcome."
"Beyond new skaven due at some point, and the LoC nothing really. Oh in fact I think there is also a new "starter set" on the horizon, but no idea on timeframe." (someone asked about AoS releases).
"None at all sorry. There are other 40k things too..... new plague army, rubric marines & LoC etc. etc. but I have no idea when any of it is due out. I was expecting the GS Cult codex to hit next but I'm not so sure now." (when asked about a time line)
Considering he totally called new Rubrics, the LoC, and the GS Cult codex a few months before we knew about them I'm gonna go ahead and go with this being the real hastings.
Why are people doubting it's hastings it's pretty clear by the track record of rumors and how he is posting that it is him. Unless the person is a incredibly good troll.
Yep, and it is worth noting that the actual AOS was actually far more silly than anyone had rumoured/imagined it to be. After this fiasco, I'm no longer willing to give the benefice of the doubt to GW.
Actually I think its less silly. Remember nigmos ?
doghouse wrote: The idea of Nu-Marines is dumb, I am genuinely lost for words if this turns out to be true.
I mean there could be a kernel of truth in there somewhere, like a new box of ultramarines with different armor. But an entire new faction of supersigmarines-in-space? I'm just too skeptical of any rumors this close to a new edition, as most people aren't too ....level headed about it. Its only the most extreme gamebreaking stuff that turns 40k on its head for the rumors. Nothing small like a streamlined book or a few new kits, nope its always AND THEN THEY BLOW UP ABBADON AND CHAOS IS GONE FOREVER AND TAU AND ELDAR ARE BEST FRIENDS AND NOW THERES SUPERMARINES!
BUh buh buh fantasy got changed so the sky's the limit! Anything could happen you guys! Just accept it with no discussion because its hastings. Just accept it this is 40k now.
doghouse wrote: The idea of Nu-Marines is dumb, I am genuinely lost for words if this turns out to be true.
I mean there could be a kernel of truth in there somewhere, like a new box of ultramarines with different armor. But an entire new faction of supersigmarines-in-space? I'm just too skeptical of any rumors this close to a new edition, as most people aren't too ....level headed about it. Its only the most extreme gamebreaking stuff that turns 40k on its head for the rumors. Nothing small like a streamlined book or a few new kits, nope its always AND THEN THEY BLOW UP ABBADON AND CHAOS IS GONE FOREVER AND TAU AND ELDAR ARE BEST FRIENDS AND NOW THERES SUPERMARINES!
BUh buh buh fantasy got changed so the sky's the limit! Anything could happen you guys! Just accept it with no discussion because its hastings. Just accept it this is 40k now.
I do think the reality of the rumor is that space marines are going to get a new marked armor and their scale is going to be similar to the Deathwatch and tzeentch releases. That sounds more plausible to me and something I could see GW doing.
Genetic experimentation is a core tenant of the 40k setting. What if Cawl is a loyalist version of Fabius Bile? Maybe this is what he has been working for the last 10,000 years. Another core tenant has been the gradual weakening of the geneseed. With the return of a primarch, one of the most logical things to do would be to refresh the stock.
I don't see how this invalidates regular marines any more than terminators or dreadnought do. The sheer scale of distributing the new marines and armour throughout the galaxy, especially with warpstorms raging would suggest that the mark X marines would be an elite unit in a variety of marine armies.
A new crusade is nothing new.There have been many over the years, like the one in which the Gaunt's Ghosts books are set. This one is bigger perhaps but it will be just another campaign among the many that have featured in 40k before.
It also doesn't prevent stories from earlier in the setting being told.
To go back to Gaunt's Ghosts. They are all long dead by the time of gathering storm but it does not make me any less excited to read the next book in the series.
Adding years to the timeline just gives players more options in which to set their games. The latest spacehulk and deathwatch Overkill are both set earlier in the timeline.
If you don't want to use the new marines, just do that.
As for the fear of old races being squated , we just had an Eldar campaign book, Tau sales have been much higher than expected, and Hastings has said we are getting new plague armies and new Orks. If you believe the other things he has said, why not that? (there are also a couple of rumour engine pics that look pretty orky)
Sounds like 2 wound,Gilmarines on 32`s.,,yup SCE in Space!.
Probably entire new faction,Imp of course.
Now if we can just throw out the need for Codexes,fire up an app and put all base army Dataslates on it for free,,then of course charge for new dexes or app purchases for the formations and such.
Finally,, condense the rules placing specials on the dataslates,remove the TH and Wound tables and rework the aged and clunky vehicle combat system.
Then the game will be properly Sigmar`d
I've been trying to be hopeful about this for awhile. I've trying to be positive, but a lot of this does sound familiar to what happened around the time of fantasy. I like AoS now, but I also like old hammer as well since I got introduced through TW Warhammer. It's too bad they can't coexist.
I was all for advancing the plot, but this seems more like tossing out the core faction. I don't even play them or collect them and I think it's messed up.
LightKing wrote: if nu-marines is a way to get female space marines in the game
would you guys be for it?
I don't think that's really the concern people are having. It's more the attempted rationalization of adding super marines and diluting the existing marines and every other army further down the food chain. That and the lore changes.
Yep, and it is worth noting that the actual AOS was actually far more silly than anyone had rumoured/imagined it to be. After this fiasco, I'm no longer willing to give the benefice of the doubt to GW.
Actually I think its less silly. Remember nigmos ?
Lol yes, but rebember the original AOS rules had these ''joke'' rules who were far worst than Nigmos
LightKing wrote: if nu-marines is a way to get female space marines in the game
would you guys be for it?
No.
Sisters of Battle are, and always have been, a million times more interesting both in terms of background, aesthetic design and attitude than Space Marines.
LightKing wrote: if nu-marines is a way to get female space marines in the game
would you guys be for it?
No.
Sisters of Battle are, and always have been, a million times more interesting both in terms of background, aesthetic design and attitude than Space Marines.
ehhh
a Space Marine would most likely beat a sister of battle 1 on 1
LightKing wrote: if nu-marines is a way to get female space marines in the game
would you guys be for it?
No.
Sisters of Battle are, and always have been, a million times more interesting both in terms of background, aesthetic design and attitude than Space Marines.
ehhh
a Space Marine would most likely beat a sister of battle 1 on 1
And? They could beat an Imperial Guardsmen one on one too. Doesn't make loyalist Marines any less the most boring thing in the entire setting.
LightKing wrote: if nu-marines is a way to get female space marines in the game
would you guys be for it?
No.
Sisters of Battle are, and always have been, a million times more interesting both in terms of background, aesthetic design and attitude than Space Marines.
ehhh
a Space Marine would most likely beat a sister of battle 1 on 1
That isn't relevant at all to who's more interesting...
LightKing wrote: if nu-marines is a way to get female space marines in the game
would you guys be for it?
No.
Sisters of Battle are, and always have been, a million times more interesting both in terms of background, aesthetic design and attitude than Space Marines.
ehhh
a Space Marine would most likely beat a sister of battle 1 on 1
That isn't relevant at all to who's more interesting...
Then hit the Yellow Triangle of Friendship and ignore the post.
For anyone confused about what's "on topic" for this thread, it's the release date for 8th edition.
Rumormongering about the contents of 8th edition will also be allowed, because it's cool. But no financial reports (there's a thread in Dakka Discussions) and no wishlisting please.
I haven't read the sources, but isn't it more likely that all these fears about "super Marines" are based on the Custodes? After all, Guilliman meets them at the Imperial Palace and tells them to stop sitting on their gold butts (or mostly-nude, as it may be) and go do something. It'd be wholly bizarre for them to make "Super Marines" at all, but especially so when the long-preexisting Super Marines, the Custodes, are finally going to do some fighting.
I can imagine this being the basis for Guilliman at the head of a sort of "Great Crusade Part Two", in the sense that he'll be taking to the stars with a bodyguard of Custodes just as The Emperor once did.
hmm.... A list that has RG as an HQ with Custodes as his troops. Yeah, I can get behind that. I wonder if they'll figure out a way to make Custodes in a more production line fashion to replace casualties and increase ranks.
Oh god, it finally happened, I use to be with 'it' in 40k, but now I don't have a clue what is going on anymore other then it seems like they are AOS'ing 40k and making the Ultramarines into the Roboutemarines MkII with a great crusade to cash in on the Heresy hype. -Bangs head on key board.
I have to say there is the possibility that 40k is returning to its tongue in cheek roots. How corn ball will it be when the most arrogantly named chapter, the Ultramarines, becomes populated by literal ultra Marines?
So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?
These could turn out to be some nice miniatures. Like Skitarii. Like the Calth, Prospero and Deathwatch plastic kits
"They are invalidating my Space Marine army !11111"
Sure
"GW is pi**ing over the setting"
*Let's raaaaaaaaaaaaaage!!!*
Weird
Is the 21st century digital boy still capable of a reasonable approach to new things? Like balancing a reaction? Giving something new a fair chance to introduce itself and prosper from there on? Like not raging reflexively on the internet. Biting the 'new thing'. Preventing to react like a toddler.
I have not seen photos, have you? If you do, please post them
I'm really interested to see what is coming. Curious. Not scared
I've been playing since the end of 2nd and the beginning of third edition. I think it is important to note that they change editions regularly every five years or so. For example, in 2001 we had third edition. In 2017 we are going to 8th edition. Some changes were drastic (2nd to 3rd, 3rd to 4th, 5th to 6th, etc).
In the end, the fluff and game is similar. If you love 40k for what it is (hobby, fluff, collecting, etc) then this won't be a major issue. If you love 40k for 7th edition specifically, then yea you should probably look for a new game. Most games are only relevant for 5-10 years, so 40k must evolve to stay relevant and as popular as it had been for so long.
I personally can't wait. If the rumors are correct, 40k will have a small skirmish aspect to it, along with the big large scale game we all love. Hopefully they trash formations and the junk that bloated 40k, ruined balannce, etc.
So far, the storyline advancing has been great (except for abaddons fate... that makes me sad. Maybe he will be resurrected like kharn has been)
I think my concern is not so much that they introduce some shiny new models for a new, elite, force, but that Hastings is already saying that this means that existing chapters will not be getting much of an update, i.e. sidelined.
So if you've spent years building up a force specifically modelled on the aesthetic and lore of a chapter with 10,000 years history all of a sudden there will be nothing for you to build or collect.
If the new super marines was just another option, that would be fine, but it looks like they'll be GWs number one focus, to the exclusion of pretty much everything else (see also number of Stormcast releases versus everything else in AoS).
As far as fluff goes, it just so happens that I've just been reading Deliverance Lost and these new super marines sound suspiciously similar to Corax's Raptors, so there is at least precedent for how to make a better marine, using the genetic template of a Primarch no less.
Frozen Ocean wrote: I haven't read the sources, but isn't it more likely that all these fears about "super Marines" are based on the Custodes? After all, Guilliman meets them at the Imperial Palace and tells them to stop sitting on their gold butts (or mostly-nude, as it may be) and go do something. It'd be wholly bizarre for them to make "Super Marines" at all, but especially so when the long-preexisting Super Marines, the Custodes, are finally going to do some fighting.
I can imagine this being the basis for Guilliman at the head of a sort of "Great Crusade Part Two", in the sense that he'll be taking to the stars with a bodyguard of Custodes just as The Emperor once did.
Problem is numbers. Weren't there like max 10,000 of them? Some that were lost in HH and doubtful new can be made without Emperor.
So they would be kinda thin in numbers to lead a new crusade without ability to produce more...
There is one major flaw with the AoS-40k analogy; WHFB wasn't selling well, 40k was. Even old-GW wouldn't see fit to mix up 40k as much as they did Fantasy, and new-GW continues to prove itself remarkably capable of learning from its mistakes. Further, WHFB didn't really have poster boys of the setting; there was no one army/faction that really stood out as being the iconic one of the game and GW obviously wanted AoS to have Stormcast as the poster boys. 40k already has Space Marines as its poster boys and it would be an unprecedented level of stupidity (even considering pre-2016 GW) for them to change that.
NinthMusketeer wrote: There is one major flaw with the AoS-40k analogy; WHFB wasn't selling well, 40k was. Even old-GW wouldn't see fit to mix up 40k as much as they did Fantasy, and new-GW continues to prove itself remarkably capable of learning from its mistakes. Further, WHFB didn't really have poster boys of the setting; there was no one army/faction that really stood out as being the iconic one of the game and GW obviously wanted AoS to have Stormcast as the poster boys. 40k already has Space Marines as its poster boys and it would be an unprecedented level of stupidity (even considering pre-2016 GW) for them to change that.
Top-3 selling game...
And if new marines are unprecedentented level of stupidity then guess prepare to face unprecedented level of stupidity.
NinthMusketeer wrote: There is one major flaw with the AoS-40k analogy; WHFB wasn't selling well, 40k was. Even old-GW wouldn't see fit to mix up 40k as much as they did Fantasy, and new-GW continues to prove itself remarkably capable of learning from its mistakes. Further, WHFB didn't really have poster boys of the setting; there was no one army/faction that really stood out as being the iconic one of the game and GW obviously wanted AoS to have Stormcast as the poster boys. 40k already has Space Marines as its poster boys and it would be an unprecedented level of stupidity (even considering pre-2016 GW) for them to change that.
That's what I've been saying forever. Stormcast are to the Empire what Space Marines are to the Imperial Guard. They already have an iconic super soldier of the holy man-god. To say they're making another one to be like AoS just doesn't even make sense. And Space Marines are their most popular, best selling army ever in their entire history as a company, which begs the question: why change anything?
Warhams-77 wrote: So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?
These could turn out to be some nice miniatures. Like Skitarii. Like the Calth, Prospero and Deathwatch plastic kits
"They are invalidating my Space Marine army !11111"
Sure
"GW is pi**ing over the setting"
*Let's raaaaaaaaaaaaaage!!!*
Weird
Is the 21st century digital boy still capable of a reasonable approach to new things? Like balancing a reaction? Giving something new a fair chance to introduce itself and prosper from there on? Like not raging reflexively on the internet. Biting the 'new thing'. Preventing to react like a toddler.
I have not seen photos, have you? If you do, please post them
I'm really interested to see what is coming. Curious. Not scared
Amen.
A slightly bigger kind of Marine being released (because they have basically released every type of conceivable normal Marine already) doesn't mean you are now required to throw everything in the bin because they are now puny weaklings.
They could be awesome miniatures, but they'll still be marines. Not some brand new alien race with an interesting story and cool minis, but instead even more marines in a game already saturated with marines. We don't need more marines.
Joyboozer wrote: They could be awesome miniatures, but they'll still be marines. Not some brand new alien race with an interesting story and cool minis, but instead even more marines in a game already saturated with marines. We don't need more marines.
It would not be the miniatures we need, but the ones we deserve.
I imagine they'll take lots of cues from the INQ28 scene (especially Ironsleet) and make these essentially "True-Scale" marines, on 40mm bases and much taller and better proportioned:
New true scale Astartes (roughly the height of Custodes\Stormcasts or thereabouts) with new Mark "X" armor would be welcome. Current Marine armor hasn't aged very well imo, silly backpacks, weapon that looks AK47'ish etc. Even normal terminators (Indomitus) looks way too small and outdated. Tartaros size is ok'ish i suppose but needs a bit more modern design imo. Vehicles are also in dire need of a design update, more grav based maybe.
Hopefully the new armor will be a mix of normal and terminator armor, bigger, more high-tech, but still agile and a bit ornate. Maybe an updated mix of Custodes/Tartaros/Grey knights.
For those freaking out that the alleged advent of properly scaled Marines will mean the end of the their Marine army...
Consider Orks.
Prior to 3rd Ed, they had a really odd mix of sizes, and were nowhere near as burly. Yet people continue to use them.
Terminators likewise - they got better proportioned to the point they needed get a new base size (though of course, said base was first used for the Ork Warboss). You can still use your vintage Termies.
Just wait until the first pics get leaked, and we see their all painted gold and are created using the reincarnated souls of dead imperial heros.
And five of them will be able to combine together to create super mega ultra, ultramarine.
I'll not make the same mistake as I did with fantasy and rush out to panic buy stuff, I'll wait for the 50% off firesales from third party stockists. And look at the upside, if I win the euromillions I'll be able to buy GW for a discounted price in a year or too after there player base disappears and sales do a cliff dive.
Just wait until the first pics get leaked, and we see their all painted gold and are created using the reincarnated souls of dead imperial heros.
And five of them will be able to combine together to create super mega ultra, ultramarine.
I'll not make the same mistake as I did with fantasy and rush out to panic buy stuff, I'll wait for the 50% off firesales from third party stockists. And look at the upside, if I win the euromillions I'll be able to buy GW for a discounted price in a year or too after there player base disappears and sales do a cliff dive.
I hope they do, AoS is a far superior game at this point and the closer 40k can get to AoS the better.
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Joyboozer wrote: They could be awesome miniatures, but they'll still be marines. Not some brand new alien race with an interesting story and cool minis, but instead even more marines in a game already saturated with marines. We don't need more marines.
And yet, people love the crap out of Horus Heresy.
I think it's a great idea to redesign the current Space Marine miniature range. The current design has been there for a while and hasn't aged that well to be honest. It was cool and all back in the 90s but it needs to be brought up to date.
Just wait until the first pics get leaked, and we see their all painted gold and are created using the reincarnated souls of dead imperial heros.
And five of them will be able to combine together to create super mega ultra, ultramarine.
I'll not make the same mistake as I did with fantasy and rush out to panic buy stuff, I'll wait for the 50% off firesales from third party stockists. And look at the upside, if I win the euromillions I'll be able to buy GW for a discounted price in a year or too after there player base disappears and sales do a cliff dive.
I hope they do, AoS is a far superior game at this point and the closer 40k can get to AoS the better.
NO just NO.
Sales of AoS isn't wants keeping the company afloat. If they kill the 40K IP, GW as a business are done.
I find it sad that we are seeing another edition of the game in under two years from the last release, and nobody cares at the speed of the change. When 7th dropped everyone was pissed that there were being made to buy a new edition so soon after 6th. This time around we're all just too worried about the change itself to care about the timing.
Don't be. We all have to face it, sooner or later. Some (like me) are pretty much fist-pumping with the idea of massive changes and new miniatures, others will either quit or adapt like it happened with AoS. Heck, it may not even happen
NinthMusketeer wrote: There is one major flaw with the AoS-40k analogy; WHFB wasn't selling well, 40k was. Even old-GW wouldn't see fit to mix up 40k as much as they did Fantasy, and new-GW continues to prove itself remarkably capable of learning from its mistakes. Further, WHFB didn't really have poster boys of the setting; there was no one army/faction that really stood out as being the iconic one of the game and GW obviously wanted AoS to have Stormcast as the poster boys. 40k already has Space Marines as its poster boys and it would be an unprecedented level of stupidity (even considering pre-2016 GW) for them to change that.
That's what I've been saying forever. Stormcast are to the Empire what Space Marines are to the Imperial Guard. They already have an iconic super soldier of the holy man-god. To say they're making another one to be like AoS just doesn't even make sense. And Space Marines are their most popular, best selling army ever in their entire history as a company, which begs the question: why change anything?
These are my thoughts exactly, it just doesn't make a lick of sense. I'm not saying that there isn't going to be a new super soldier released. But the reasoning is absolute nonsense.
I'm going to wait and see what happens. I like Seventh Edition, I mostly play HoR Kill Team, so if they ruin the game and the setting I will happily carry on playing those two rule sets with my buddies and keep modelling my armies with the bits and pieces that they release that I like. If they release an 8th edition that looks really cool, and the setting looks interesting I will lap it up and go balls deep.
To be honest, I'm still going to buy their paint and their minis.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: For those freaking out that the alleged advent of properly scaled Marines will mean the end of the their Marine army...
Consider Orks.
Prior to 3rd Ed, they had a really odd mix of sizes, and were nowhere near as burly. Yet people continue to use them.
Terminators likewise - they got better proportioned to the point they needed get a new base size (though of course, said base was first used for the Ork Warboss). You can still use your vintage Termies.
Rhinos - current is bigger than the original.
In short? Chill, Winston.
I take a fairly loose attitude towards scale.
I don't view the model as a literal representation but as an abstract.
That's why I don't get some players being annoyed at Marines with no helmets because "It makes no sense, you can be shot in the face". The figure is a split second snapshot in time. Maybe it was shattered by a previous shot?
As such, the apparent scale inconsistency between Marines and humans doesn't bother me. I still reckon future IG should springboard from the fantastic work on the Genestealer Cultists rather than 'apeing' the current Cadians.
Warhams-77 wrote: So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?
Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.
Warhams-77 wrote: So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?
Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.
i have no idea why GW would snub the golden goose that is space marines for an unknown quantity, but these rumors sound like that's exactly what they're doing. It doesn't make any sense at all, especially when shaped as the Empire to Stormcast equivalency. So now not only did they squat my Tomb Kings, but my Blood Ravens will be useless since they are the OLD flavor of space marine and thus not cool anymore.
I'm not only opening the door, but I've grabbed my coat and have one foot on the porch. I'm not overly optimistic about the future.
"…I’m not suggesting anything gets squatted. I said clearly focus will be on new marines rather than existing chapters, but existing chapters will still get releases."
Just hope that the hobby itself becomes cheaper to get back into (ie cheaper models) but I don't see it happening.
the hobby itself gets cheaper, but GW and 40k won't.
I would guess a smaller head count of more expensive minis may be in our future
I say larger head count and more expensive minis
godswildcard wrote: i have no idea why GW would snub the golden goose that is space marines for an unknown quantity,
because if space marines sell well, new bigger and more shiny space marines will sell better
also because everyone wants to have them
imagine the amount of models sold if all space marine player out there gonna buy the new space marine army instead of just one box of new weapons
Warhams-77 wrote: So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?
Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.
Even before the WFB End Times got officially announced I posted regularly here what Hastings and Harry had rumored on Warseer and that the game is going to be shut down and rebooted. Pages full of quotes whats going to happen with WFB. Take your time to check my post history from 2014.
Same with round bases after a chap on a german board found a teaser photo (Skaven warmachine) in a weekly WD ebook preview. I even made sure after showing the picture here and on other forums like Warseer that people who ignored the original source and started accusations this would be photoshopped/faked to take a look into the preview to verify the image.
We knew the system would end, a year before it happened - in detail - the same way we now have a lot of valid information from excellent sources that they are not rebooting the game and/or the Space Marines range - see the latest updates from Hastings tonight. He reaffirmed they are not replacing Space Marines
Hastings - Disqus (via BOLS linked earlier in this thread)
…I’m not suggesting anything gets squatted. I said clearly focus will be on new marines rather than existing chapters, but existing chapters will still get releases.
I don’t get it, people are happy they’re moving the story/timeline on but don’t want anything to change, they want just their chapter to get new toys yet complain SM have too much, 40k players should think themselves lucky that they didn’t get the same treatment that WFB fans did with the destruction of the setting and large parts of models/armies. What’s the point of the hobby for Bret or tomb kings players?
I see new marines as a chance to have the best of both worlds, SM originals don’t get endless variants and units but are still in the fight, new marines are like a new army to build up from scratch pretty much, I’m sure they’d happily ally so don’t really see what the problem is.
…The answer to that is simply I don’t know. I was told they new marines are different to current marines, [...]
I really doubt the iconic space marine kit will be retired so I wouldn’t worry too much about them becoming outdated. I guess fluffwise it would be no different than older armour classes still being around in 40k, sure the new marines would be out there, but a lot of existing marines are still out there too.”
These threads here are full of scaremongering. Is it so hard to stop it? Do people bother to actually read the sources?
Warhams-77 wrote: So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?
Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.
Even before the WFB End Times got officially announced I posted regularly here what Hastings and Harry had rumored on Warseer and that the game is going to be shut down and rebooted. Pages full of quotes whats going to happen with WFB. Take your time to check my post history from 2014.
Same with round bases after a chap on a german board found a teaser photo (Skaven warmachine) in a weekly WD ebook preview. I even made sure after showing the picture here and on other forums like Warseer that people who ignored the original source and started accusations this would be photoshopped/faked to take a look into the preview to verify the image.
We knew the system would end, a year before it happened - in detail - the same way we now have a lot of valid information from excellent sources that they are not rebooting the game and/or the Space Marines range - see the latest updates from Hastings tonight. He reaffirmed they are not replacing Space Marines
Hastings - Disqus (via BOLS linked earlier in this thread)
…I’m not suggesting anything gets squatted. I said clearly focus will be on new marines rather than existing chapters, but existing chapters will still get releases.
I don’t get it, people are happy they’re moving the story/timeline on but don’t want anything to change, they want just their chapter to get new toys yet complain SM have too much, 40k players should think themselves lucky that they didn’t get the same treatment that WFB fans did with the destruction of the setting and large parts of models/armies. What’s the point of the hobby for Bret or tomb kings players?
I see new marines as a chance to have the best of both worlds, SM originals don’t get endless variants and units but are still in the fight, new marines are like a new army to build up from scratch pretty much, I’m sure they’d happily ally so don’t really see what the problem is.
…The answer to that is simply I don’t know. I was told they new marines are different to current marines, [...]
I really doubt the iconic space marine kit will be retired so I wouldn’t worry too much about them becoming outdated. I guess fluffwise it would be no different than older armour classes still being around in 40k, sure the new marines would be out there, but a lot of existing marines are still out there too.”
These threads here are full of scaremongering. Is it so hard to stop it? Do people bother to actually read the sources?
Its not about squatting Marines. The fuss is about that till now Marines were the ultimate heroes. The very top of the food chain. Now with these new Gulliman Marines, they will look less. Atm I dont know why does the Imperium have Guardsmen anymore. Why dont they just mass produce Space Marines. Really makes no sence at all. Also suddenly after 10k years technological regression we are at the same level as the Emperor was in his golden days. Thats just stupid. This is the same level of stupid as the early fluff of AoS.
godswildcard wrote: i have no idea why GW would snub the golden goose that is space marines for an unknown quantity, but these rumors sound like that's exactly what they're doing. It doesn't make any sense at all, especially when shaped as the Empire to Stormcast equivalency. So now not only did they squat my Tomb Kings, but my Blood Ravens will be useless since they are the OLD flavor of space marine and thus not cool anymore.
I'm not only opening the door, but I've grabbed my coat and have one foot on the porch. I'm not overly optimistic about the future.
Don't worry though DoW3 is out soon. That'll shore up the numbers with them wanting to recreate what they've done on the computer on the tabletop.
There are already Custodes and Grey Knights to one up the normal marines.
The Mk X marines will more than likely be another ultra elite option like those two. So the normal marines are no more invalidated than they have been from rogue trader era
Warhams-77 wrote: So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?
Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.
Even before the WFB End Times got officially announced I posted regularly here what Hastings and Harry had rumored on Warseer and that the game is going to be shut down and rebooted. Pages full of quotes whats going to happen with WFB. Take your time to check my post history from 2014.
Same with round bases after a chap on a german board found a teaser photo (Skaven warmachine) in a weekly WD ebook preview. I even made sure after showing the picture here and on other forums like Warseer that people who ignored the original source and started accusations this would be photoshopped/faked to take a look into the preview to verify the image.
We knew the system would end, a year before it happened - in detail - the same way we now have a lot of valid information from excellent sources that they are not rebooting the game and/or the Space Marines range - see the latest updates from Hastings tonight. He reaffirmed they are not replacing Space Marines
Hastings - Disqus (via BOLS linked earlier in this thread)
…I’m not suggesting anything gets squatted. I said clearly focus will be on new marines rather than existing chapters, but existing chapters will still get releases.
I don’t get it, people are happy they’re moving the story/timeline on but don’t want anything to change, they want just their chapter to get new toys yet complain SM have too much, 40k players should think themselves lucky that they didn’t get the same treatment that WFB fans did with the destruction of the setting and large parts of models/armies. What’s the point of the hobby for Bret or tomb kings players?
I see new marines as a chance to have the best of both worlds, SM originals don’t get endless variants and units but are still in the fight, new marines are like a new army to build up from scratch pretty much, I’m sure they’d happily ally so don’t really see what the problem is.
…The answer to that is simply I don’t know. I was told they new marines are different to current marines, [...]
I really doubt the iconic space marine kit will be retired so I wouldn’t worry too much about them becoming outdated. I guess fluffwise it would be no different than older armour classes still being around in 40k, sure the new marines would be out there, but a lot of existing marines are still out there too.”
These threads here are full of scaremongering. Is it so hard to stop it? Do people bother to actually read the sources?
Its not about squatting Marines. The fuss is about that till now Marines were the ultimate heroes. The very top of the food chain. Now with these new Gulliman Marines, they will look less. Atm I dont know why does the Imperium have Guardsmen anymore. Why dont they just mass produce Space Marines. Really makes no sence at all. Also suddenly after 10k years technological regression we are at the same level as the Emperor was in his golden days. Thats just stupid. This is the same level of stupid as the early fluff of AoS.
This is exactly what he's talking about dude.
We have a snippet of information, unconfirmed at that, and you're drawing sweeping conclusions about the entire outcome of the setting from it.
This gak happens every edition and every time people overreact based on tiny pieces of info.
Vorian wrote: There are already Custodes and Grey Knights to one up the normal marines.
The Mk X marines will more than likely be another ultra elite option like those two. So the normal marines are no more invalidated than they have been from rogue trader era
Remember though, (yes, I know this cuts both ways so don't point that out) keep those words short and sweet as you may just have to eat them.
Warhams-77 wrote: So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?
Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.
Even before the WFB End Times got officially announced I posted regularly here what Hastings and Harry had rumored on Warseer and that the game is going to be shut down and rebooted. Pages full of quotes whats going to happen with WFB. Take your time to check my post history from 2014.
Same with round bases after a chap on a german board found a teaser photo (Skaven warmachine) in a weekly WD ebook preview. I even made sure after showing the picture here and on other forums like Warseer that people who ignored the original source and started accusations this would be photoshopped/faked to take a look into the preview to verify the image.
We knew the system would end, a year before it happened - in detail - the same way we now have a lot of valid information from excellent sources that they are not rebooting the game and/or the Space Marines range - see the latest updates from Hastings tonight. He reaffirmed they are not replacing Space Marines
Hastings - Disqus (via BOLS linked earlier in this thread)
…I’m not suggesting anything gets squatted. I said clearly focus will be on new marines rather than existing chapters, but existing chapters will still get releases.
I don’t get it, people are happy they’re moving the story/timeline on but don’t want anything to change, they want just their chapter to get new toys yet complain SM have too much, 40k players should think themselves lucky that they didn’t get the same treatment that WFB fans did with the destruction of the setting and large parts of models/armies. What’s the point of the hobby for Bret or tomb kings players?
I see new marines as a chance to have the best of both worlds, SM originals don’t get endless variants and units but are still in the fight, new marines are like a new army to build up from scratch pretty much, I’m sure they’d happily ally so don’t really see what the problem is.
…The answer to that is simply I don’t know. I was told they new marines are different to current marines, [...]
I really doubt the iconic space marine kit will be retired so I wouldn’t worry too much about them becoming outdated. I guess fluffwise it would be no different than older armour classes still being around in 40k, sure the new marines would be out there, but a lot of existing marines are still out there too.”
These threads here are full of scaremongering. Is it so hard to stop it? Do people bother to actually read the sources?
Its not about squatting Marines. The fuss is about that till now Marines were the ultimate heroes. The very top of the food chain. Now with these new Gulliman Marines, they will look less. Atm I dont know why does the Imperium have Guardsmen anymore. Why dont they just mass produce Space Marines. Really makes no sence at all. Also suddenly after 10k years technological regression we are at the same level as the Emperor was in his golden days. Thats just stupid. This is the same level of stupid as the early fluff of AoS.
This is exactly what he's talking about dude.
We have a snippet of information, unconfirmed at that, and you're drawing sweeping conclusions about the entire outcome of the setting from it.
This gak happens every edition and every time people overreact based on tiny pieces of info.
Indeed, It's change. People for the most part hate change despite clamoring for years to advance the story line. Once it starts happening the sky is falling, now honestly I see this as GW chance to get true scale marines in I mean look at deatwatch and the new tzeentch releases and their scale along with Kharn and Ahriman? Compare them to the size of a tactical. They are doing this without touching the current marine line and I know people will convert them to be their new "tactical" marines due to scale.
As hastings said GW are not going to touch the marine lines just introduce one and people are acting like they are going to squat your army when he said no such thing? People are blowing things out of proportion.
Or introduce a new mark of a new bigger version of marines and give them a new armour Mark - and then keep updating the old marines too - you know, like the rumour says
Maybe we can just have a consensus to represent the new UberUltraMarines with Terminator marines, in a counts-as kind of way, so that Terminators actually get to come off the shelf for once.
All these random ideas are interesting me and making me consider rejoining.
Just hope that the hobby itself becomes cheaper to get back into (ie cheaper models) but I don't see it happening.
I quit in 6th after i have been playing since 1st edition was first released. I play loose Historicals now, Bolt action ,flames of war, Cold war{ team YAnkee}.
The only GW game we play is Blood bowl once in a great while.
But i have been thinking of getting back into it ,but using one of the older rules sets.
I have seen this AOS40k thing coming for awhie now. the GAme got to big and GW is having a hard time protecting it IP.
Hopefully newer Marines will be the same size as Deathwatch, those guys feel more appropriately scaled for modern GW heroic scale. If the rumoured über-marines are a bit bigger still that's fine.
Mymearan wrote: Hopefully newer Marines will be the same size as Deathwatch, those guys feel more appropriately scaled for modern GW heroic scale. If the rumoured über-marines are a bit bigger still that's fine.
Someone said they are two heads bigger than a guardsman.
I don't collect Space Marines, let alone Deathwatch, so I don't know how big they are in comparison.
The DW do look better proportioned than normal marines. In my mind they are how all marine models should be proportioned. So if the super marines are bigger who knows. They might well mess up the proportions again for all we know.
Jesus boys!. Look how oudated this gothic chatedral look. Maybe it was cool in the late 1200, but they really need to bring it up to date!
Spoiler:
I actually don't think that Ultra-Ultra marines are a good thing, having Custodes and Grey Knights to fill the niche of... Super-SpaceMarines.
I see this as a pure commercial movement to re-sell new marines to all the marines players. I don't judge GW for that. Its a reasonable movement from a economical standpoint.
The changes in the lore, meh. I still play and roleplay in the Old World, at the same time I play Age of Sigmar. I don't think the changes of lately are any good but I can play and read various lores at the same time.
I think W40K should learn of AoS rules, not AoS Lore.
Gamgee wrote: The DW do look better proportioned than normal marines. In my mind they are how all marine models should be proportioned. So if the super marines are bigger who knows. They might well mess up the proportions again for all we know.
The DW are arguably worse proportioned than regular marines. They have thick ape arms, long legs, bigger heads.....and the same sized torsos as older marines. I bought the kit hoping for good conversion and found one of the worse marine kits to date. Definitely a regression from the current tactical kit.
Gamgee wrote: I think the regular marines models look pretty lame myself, but that is my opinion of course. DW are the only marine models I like.
Do you own any? I like them too but once the kit was in hand I stopped liking them. Every weapon is either one handed or held at the waist like they are bored and tired for the day. The arms really bother me more than anything less, the are just so clunky.
As for the rumors. I hope its some sort of case of mistaken identity and Nu-Marines are actually rearmed and refitted Custodes. Without the Emperor (assuming he is dead), Guilliman would probably send them out, they would be back to recruiting to meet the new mission and be a old force in new light that wouldn't ruin my Dark Angels army.
Gamgee wrote: I think the regular marines models look pretty lame myself, but that is my opinion of course. DW are the only marine models I like.
Do you own any? I like them too but once the kit was in hand I stopped liking them. Every weapon is either one handed or held at the waist like they are bored and tired for the day. The arms really bother me more than anything less, the are just so clunky.
As for the rumors. I hope its some sort of case of mistaken identity and Nu-Marines are actually rearmed and refitted Custodes. Without the Emperor (assuming he is dead), Guilliman would probably send them out, they would be back to recruiting to meet the new mission and be a old force in new light that wouldn't ruin my Dark Angels army.
One would presume Hasting knows what Custodes looks like and what not...And making new models that look nothing like custodes to represent new custodes makes even less sense than new type of marines.
Also fluffiwise would show unbelieavable level of stupidity from GW if they did that and try to make sure it would make huge impact. I mean less than 1000 non-replacable warriors going to have major impact in galaxy scale? Riiiiiiiiight. Custodes are good but they are not THAT good.
Gamgee wrote: I think the regular marines models look pretty lame myself, but that is my opinion of course. DW are the only marine models I like.
Do you own any? I like them too but once the kit was in hand I stopped liking them. Every weapon is either one handed or held at the waist like they are bored and tired for the day. The arms really bother me more than anything less, the are just so clunky.
As for the rumors. I hope its some sort of case of mistaken identity and Nu-Marines are actually rearmed and refitted Custodes. Without the Emperor (assuming he is dead), Guilliman would probably send them out, they would be back to recruiting to meet the new mission and be a old force in new light that wouldn't ruin my Dark Angels army.
One would presume Hasting knows what Custodes looks like and what not...And making new models that look nothing like custodes to represent new custodes makes even less sense than new type of marines.
Also fluffiwise would show unbelieavable level of stupidity from GW if they did that and try to make sure it would make huge impact. I mean less than 1000 non-replacable warriors going to have major impact in galaxy scale? Riiiiiiiiight. Custodes are good but they are not THAT good.
Then again, the custodes latest iterations look awfully a lot like bog-standard marines, only with ornate armor and pointy helmets.
Also, this GW we are tallking about. They have more missing zeros in their setting than the Japanese Navy after Midway.
Gamgee wrote: I think the regular marines models look pretty lame myself, but that is my opinion of course. DW are the only marine models I like.
Do you own any? I like them too but once the kit was in hand I stopped liking them. Every weapon is either one handed or held at the waist like they are bored and tired for the day. The arms really bother me more than anything less, the are just so clunky.
As for the rumors. I hope its some sort of case of mistaken identity and Nu-Marines are actually rearmed and refitted Custodes. Without the Emperor (assuming he is dead), Guilliman would probably send them out, they would be back to recruiting to meet the new mission and be a old force in new light that wouldn't ruin my Dark Angels army.
One would presume Hasting knows what Custodes looks like and what not...And making new models that look nothing like custodes to represent new custodes makes even less sense than new type of marines.
Also fluffiwise would show unbelieavable level of stupidity from GW if they did that and try to make sure it would make huge impact. I mean less than 1000 non-replacable warriors going to have major impact in galaxy scale? Riiiiiiiiight. Custodes are good but they are not THAT good.
Then again, the custodes latest iterations look awfully a lot like bog-standard marines, only with ornate armor and pointy helmets.
Also, this GW we are tallking about. They have more missing zeros in their setting than the Japanese Navy after Midway.
Have you seen a Custodes model next to a Marine model? They are HUGE in comparison. Nothing like "bog standard Marines"
Gamgee wrote: I think the regular marines models look pretty lame myself, but that is my opinion of course. DW are the only marine models I like.
Do you own any? I like them too but once the kit was in hand I stopped liking them. Every weapon is either one handed or held at the waist like they are bored and tired for the day. The arms really bother me more than anything less, the are just so clunky.
As for the rumors. I hope its some sort of case of mistaken identity and Nu-Marines are actually rearmed and refitted Custodes. Without the Emperor (assuming he is dead), Guilliman would probably send them out, they would be back to recruiting to meet the new mission and be a old force in new light that wouldn't ruin my Dark Angels army.
One would presume Hasting knows what Custodes looks like and what not...And making new models that look nothing like custodes to represent new custodes makes even less sense than new type of marines.
Also fluffiwise would show unbelieavable level of stupidity from GW if they did that and try to make sure it would make huge impact. I mean less than 1000 non-replacable warriors going to have major impact in galaxy scale? Riiiiiiiiight. Custodes are good but they are not THAT good.
Current Custodes but I said refit and rearmed, that would make them look different. Why would new Custodes models for a universe that no longer needs them so they are repurposed to fit a new role make less sense then pulling bigger more awesome space marines out of thin air?
Well there are a 1000 Grey Knights and they seem to be doing a good job. There is roughly only 1 million space marines and yet they seem to he capable of doing something. Why would 1000 Custodes suddenly break your suspension of disbelief?
BrotherGecko wrote: Current Custodes but I said refit and rearmed, that would make them look different. Why would new Custodes models for a universe that no longer needs them so they are repurposed to fit a new role make less sense then pulling bigger more awesome space marines out of thin air?
Because it would be something NEW that didn't exists before. No surprise something that wasn't around before looks different to others.
If you have models that have zero semblance to custodes what makes them custodes?
Well there are a 1000 Grey Knights and they seem to be doing a good job. There is roughly only 1 million space marines and yet they seem to he capable of doing something. Why would 1000 Custodes suddenly break your suspension of disbelief?
As it is there ISN'T enough marines. Not even in-universum(nevermind logic). Seen Imperium winning much? And most of fighting is done by IG that outnumbers marines like billion to one.
So we have guys that are outnumbered 1000 to 1 by marines(so what was 1000xbillion? Trillion to one by IG? As minimum...) and we are to believe that's enough to turn the tide?
Especially as unlike custodians space marines and grey knights can be replaced...No matter how good custodes are there ARE going to be casualties. How long those less than 1000(1000 was when they were full strenght in HH. HH HAD to take it's toll) are going to last?
Nah. Much more belieavable that the guy with pretty much near perfect track record with rumours is, again, correct in his rumours rather than try some convulated theory as to how he might be wrong.
Vorian wrote: There are already Custodes and Grey Knights to one up the normal marines.
The Mk X marines will more than likely be another ultra elite option like those two. So the normal marines are no more invalidated than they have been from rogue trader era
Woah there, hoss....
I take it you haven't picked up anything new in awhile? You have seen the new figures, right?!
It's not about invalidation, but proportions. You have any RT Marines? Size them up with your current batch, and reset your conversation point. Custodes are not marines. In other points, I would suspect my impression on 30K stuff being added to 40K stuff is going to come to pass. Sisters of silence, Custodes, etc will be intergrated to the new game set, on account of funding for recasts/ print and dye molds, etc do not correlate to sales. They already have them, all they would need would be some extra 40K bits added to the range/ sprue and done and done.
GW has a habit of recasting, and cranking out current stock in subsets, and "Discount" boxes of 1, 3, or 5 for $20.00 ( Now in current day price) boxes of cheap army filler. With the effort of the book series, I don't see this changing, either.
In case you missed it, the 30K marines are from the RT era, not the RT game of the 80-90's. They will size up with your current marine boxed sets just fine.
Current Custodes but I said refit and rearmed, that would make them look different. Why would new Custodes models for a universe that no longer needs them so they are repurposed to fit a new role make less sense then pulling bigger more awesome space marines out of thin air?
Well there are a 1000 Grey Knights and they seem to be doing a good job. There is roughly only 1 million space marines and yet they seem to he capable of doing something. Why would 1000 Custodes suddenly break your suspension of disbelief?
Re-mobilised and re-equipped Custodes would be bit weird, but way less cringeworthy than ultra-ultramarines.
tneva82 wrote: How long those less than 1000(1000 was when they were full strenght in HH. HH HAD to take it's toll) are going to last?
They were 10,000 Strong at full strength during the Heresy, less so after the War in the Webway, which brought deployed forces down to around 1500. That's not counting Custodes forces in the Palace or deployed elsewhere through out the system.
Regardless the point still stands regarding replacement. I mean, I know with things like Marines, Orks ,and Custodes, not all miniatures that are taken out as casualties are killed... but still.
The DW are arguably worse proportioned than regular marines. They have thick ape arms, long legs, bigger heads.....and the same sized torsos as older marines. I bought the kit hoping for good conversion and found one of the worse marine kits to date. Definitely a regression from the current tactical kit.
It is the best marine kit GW has ever produced. The proportions are fine (and their heads are slightly smaller, not bigger than normal marines.) Granted, all weapons being held one-handed is annoying.
I was really stoked that with the 8E we would get tacticals with those proportions, but now that probably won't happen as non-ultra-ultramarines will be sidelined.
Vorian wrote: There are already Custodes and Grey Knights to one up the normal marines.
The Mk X marines will more than likely be another ultra elite option like those two. So the normal marines are no more invalidated than they have been from rogue trader era
Woah there, hoss....
I take it you haven't picked up anything new in awhile? You have seen the new figures, right?!
It's not about invalidation, but proportions. You have any RT Marines? Size them up with your current batch, and reset your conversation point. Custodes are not marines. In other points, I would suspect my impression on 30K stuff being added to 40K stuff is going to come to pass. Sisters of silence, Custodes, etc will be intergrated to the new game set, on account of funding for recasts/ print and dye molds, etc do not correlate to sales. They already have them, all they would need would be some extra 40K bits added to the range/ sprue and done and done.
GW has a habit of recasting, and cranking out current stock in subsets, and "Discount" boxes of 1, 3, or 5 for $20.00 ( Now in current day price) boxes of cheap army filler. With the effort of the book series, I don't see this changing, either.
In case you missed it, the 30K marines are from the RT era, not the RT game of the 80-90's. They will size up with your current marine boxed sets just fine.
I have stuff from the 80s right through to the newest stuff - but I was speaking conceptually rather than miniature size wise.
BrotherGecko wrote: Current Custodes but I said refit and rearmed, that would make them look different. Why would new Custodes models for a universe that no longer needs them so they are repurposed to fit a new role make less sense then pulling bigger more awesome space marines out of thin air?
Because it would be something NEW that didn't exists before. No surprise something that wasn't around before looks different to others.
If you have models that have zero semblance to custodes what makes them custodes?
Well there are a 1000 Grey Knights and they seem to be doing a good job. There is roughly only 1 million space marines and yet they seem to he capable of doing something. Why would 1000 Custodes suddenly break your suspension of disbelief?
As it is there ISN'T enough marines. Not even in-universum(nevermind logic). Seen Imperium winning much? And most of fighting is done by IG that outnumbers marines like billion to one.
So we have guys that are outnumbered 1000 to 1 by marines(so what was 1000xbillion? Trillion to one by IG? As minimum...) and we are to believe that's enough to turn the tide?
Especially as unlike custodians space marines and grey knights can be replaced...No matter how good custodes are there ARE going to be casualties. How long those less than 1000(1000 was when they were full strenght in HH. HH HAD to take it's toll) are going to last?
Nah. Much more belieavable that the guy with pretty much near perfect track record with rumours is, again, correct in his rumours rather than try some convulated theory as to how he might be wrong.
Nu-Marines are even more something that didn't exist before but at least rearmed Custodes fits the events of Gathering Storm than poof ultraUltramarines. What would make them Custodes would be fluff saying they are/were Custodes....
Have I seen the Imperium winning much? Yes...yes I have. They basically always win. The Ultramarines tanked two unstoppable hive fleets and molly whopped a tomb world with just the under dog tagline. Even if the macro fluff says its not enough all the other fluff says marines never lose. Even the Gathering Storm gives victory to the Imperium in the end. Literally there is nothing beyond the one little tagline to suggest that the space marines won't win in the end. If you pitted the Ultramarines against all of Chaos I have no doubt they would win because nothing suggests otherwise in 40k. Even when Chaos came knocking at the Ultramarines door, their plot armor was so thick it resurrected a Primarch into 40k and changed the entire 40k universe.
The DW are arguably worse proportioned than regular marines. They have thick ape arms, long legs, bigger heads.....and the same sized torsos as older marines. I bought the kit hoping for good conversion and found one of the worse marine kits to date. Definitely a regression from the current tactical kit.
It is the best marine kit GW has ever produced. The proportions are fine (and their heads are slightly smaller, not bigger than normal marines.) Granted, all weapons being held one-handed is annoying.
I was really stoked that with the 8E we would get tacticals with those proportions, but now that probably won't happen as non-ultra-ultramarines will be sidelined.
The unhelmeted heads are almost as big as regular tactical marine helmets. And still the DW torsos are old scale with goofy new scale everything else. You can't see it on pictures but in your hand it all looks aweful. The basic tactical kit is by far the best marine kit to date. You can do a lot with it were as the DW kit only makes awkward posed gorrila marines. The legs don't suggest walking or running but rather that marines shuffle their feet to static power their power weapons.
The unhelmeted heads are almost as big as regular tactical marine helmets.
They're not bigger than any (newer) unhelmeted marine heads (really old ones are even bigger.)
And still the DW torsos are old scale with goofy new scale everything else. You can't see it on pictures but in your hand it all looks aweful. The basic tactical kit is by far the best marine kit to date. You can do a lot with it were as the DW kit only makes awkward posed gorrila marines.
I have built bunch of them. The torsos are not bigger than on normal marines, because that part is fine. The normal marines have freakishly short, legs, and on DW kit that is fixed.
The problem I have with the DW marines is not the proportions, but the hip joints- the one that particularly is problematic gives a 45 degree angle flex joint where the thigh reaches the hip, which then turns into a near vertical leg when it reaches the armor section.
I take it you haven't picked up anything new in awhile? You have seen the new figures, right?!
It's not about invalidation, but proportions. You have any RT Marines? Size them up with your current batch, and reset your conversation point.
I want to pick up some DW just to assemble and paint, but I have a smattering of stuff from the aughts and lots of plastic and metal from the 80s. I also have some Sigmarines as well. The RT era stuff is weedy, it's a technical term, go look it up. This was an era of skintight power armour though, not judging. The RT stuff looks weird next to current Marines because outside of the plastic beaches, RT stuff was all over the place in height and thickness.I for one will welcome our new Ultra-Ultramarine overlords if they are the size of Sigmarines.
Grot 6 wrote: In case you missed it, the 30K marines are from the RT era, not the RT game of the 80-90's. They will size up with your current marine boxed sets just fine.
I don't even understand this sentence. Assuming RT means Rogue Trader, the first incarnation of the game, it takes place in the 41st millenium hence the subtitle Warhammer 40,000. It was published in the 80s. The RT era of 40K was slowly retconned into the current setting, it's not a mythical past of 40K. And 30K Marines didn't exist in RT since the HH hadn't been invented yet.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: For those freaking out that the alleged advent of properly scaled Marines will mean the end of the their Marine army...
Consider Orks.
Prior to 3rd Ed, they had a really odd mix of sizes, and were nowhere near as burly. Yet people continue to use them.
Terminators likewise - they got better proportioned to the point they needed get a new base size (though of course, said base was first used for the Ork Warboss). You can still use your vintage Termies.
Rhinos - current is bigger than the original.
In short? Chill, Winston.
People are not complaining about the scale, but about the concept
Warhams-77 wrote: So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?
Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.
Nevertheless, he/she does have a point.
No he doesn't, since people are complaining about the concept of super space marine, not sayong that the mini will look bad
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: For those freaking out that the alleged advent of properly scaled Marines will mean the end of the their Marine army...
Consider Orks.
Prior to 3rd Ed, they had a really odd mix of sizes, and were nowhere near as burly. Yet people continue to use them.
Terminators likewise - they got better proportioned to the point they needed get a new base size (though of course, said base was first used for the Ork Warboss). You can still use your vintage Termies.
Rhinos - current is bigger than the original.
In short? Chill, Winston.
People are not complaining about the scale, but about the concept
Exactly, an increased scale, like the DW, 1ksons and even to a lesser degree the BoP Mk III is cool. The thought of Guillstartes, which are somehow better than normal Marines doesn't sit well. I dont even know how they could make that make sense, as Guilliman's blood technically already flows through his sons. Unless he somehow got a hold of the method the Emperor used to create the Custodes and is just doing like a more refined, takes longer to make Astartes.
I'm starting to wonder if it's the real Hasting. The guy seems too positive about the future of 40k and even AOS, which seems a bit inconsistent with the attitude he had on Warseer
Shh, back off, maintain eye contact, and whatever you do, don't doubt the hype train. If you show any doubt its rabid fans will attack you for not being hyped enough and they will devour you alive
streetsamurai wrote: I'm starting to wonder if it's the real Hasting. The guy seems too positive about the future of 40k and even AOS, which seems a bit inconsistent with the attitude he had on Warseer
Are we going there? He states in atia's blog it was the new AOS warhammer quests/new fluff and tzeentch that got him into the hobby again after the sour of the launch. People can change their minds about things or don't share the same opinions people on this board do. Even then before that on the blog he was critical of it before those releases.
Plus hastings and Bob talk about the rumours they have seen in the comment section.
As I've said numerous times, the account is young, unembellished, and it's very easy to spoof being someone on disqus. In fact, if I wanted to, I could pretend to be Frazzled and start pretending I'm him talking about how much I now hate dogs and want instead some goldfish-- and do a more believable job than this, at that. I wouldn't, as I'm not a troll, but it's very possible and very easy to do.
Just let the skeptical people be skeptical. Why does it seem like every time someone is skeptical, the people getting hyped up sound downright offended? Someone else's lack of excitement shouldn't ruin your excitement.
I'm not categorically saying it's not him , only that his dramatic shift in attitude compared to his warseer days is a bit odd. Especially when you consider that he only started being positive on this new site, even if WQ was released a year ago.
You are probably too young (according to your joined date) to have known the 6th edition false rulebook. Some people will do some extreme thing to troll the community
streetsamurai wrote: I'm not categorically saying it's not him , only that his dramatic shift in attitude compared to his warseer days is a bit odd. Especially when you consider that he only started being positive on this new site, even if WQ was released a year ago.
You are probably too young (according to your joined date) to have known the 6th edition false rulebook. Some people will do some extreme thing to troll the community
BTW, who's BOB
Bob works with atia on war of sigmar both of them post on the same blog the early review copies of the new warhammer quest was sent to his place along with atia's stormcast palladors and Aquilor.
He did all the posts on the blog for shadows over hammerhall.
Besides the idea of a new Ultra-Ultramarine being ridiculous I'm not too sussed on the fact that regular SMs won't get as many releases. We already got tons of toys and all of our basic kits have been updated. The only thing they could do is either pull new units out of their ass or make plastic versions of special characters.
And at least it gives Xenos/Chaos players something else to complain about.
TheCustomLime wrote: We already got tons of toys and all of our basic kits have been updated. The only thing they could do is either pull new units out of their ass or make plastic versions of special characters.
Techmarines/Servitors/Thunderfire cannons, characters on jetpacks/bikes, and some of the vehicles could use an updated kit- Dreadnought and predator come to mind.
Neronoxx wrote: So far, Guilliman has come back and nothing has changed as far as the game is concerned.
"So far, Nagash has come back and nothing has changed as far as the game is concerned." - WFB players several years ago.
b-b-b-but this is nothing like end times! g-games workshop said so! this is the new golden age because they added skitarii and released more start sets!
Honestly, I'm getting so much Deja Vu it hurts. The same cries of "they'll never do something this drastic! Wait and see! You whiners need to stop being so cynical!" Low and behold, the reality turned out to be even worse than the most pessimistic predictions.
TheCustomLime wrote: Besides the idea of a new Ultra-Ultramarine being ridiculous I'm not too sussed on the fact that regular SMs won't get as many releases. We already got tons of toys and all of our basic kits have been updated. The only thing they could do is either pull new units out of their ass or make plastic versions of special characters.
If these are Ultramarine only thing, I'd expect non-UM marine players to be somewhat livid. It would be the wardian wankery made flesh. Now making them a completely separate army would be stupid too. We already have Custodes (and they will be active in 40K) as a new megasuperhuman army.
This is just bloody stupid idea regardless of how exactly they do it, but the path of least resistance would probably be to introduce them as some sort of strange upgrade for existing marines. Then at least all chapters could get them, and it would increase the possibility that existing marine players would actually buy them instead of just saying 'feth this game of soldiers' and ragequitting.
The least cringeworthy method would certainly be purely tech based, so no Guilliman's blood or other bodily fluids would be involved. As Guliimiman's new armour also seems to be a some sort of life support system, perhaps they could be based on that? Wounded marines could be permanently sealed in these new übersuits, making them sort of mini dreadnoughts. (If anyone from GW is reading, if you're not already planning to do it this way, please feel free to steal this idea. It will save you from a lot of nerdrage. )
TheCustomLime wrote: Besides the idea of a new Ultra-Ultramarine being ridiculous I'm not too sussed on the fact that regular SMs won't get as many releases. We already got tons of toys and all of our basic kits have been updated. The only thing they could do is either pull new units out of their ass or make plastic versions of special characters.
If these are Ultramarine only thing, I'd expect non-UM marine players to be somewhat livid. It would be the wardian wankery made flesh. Now making them a completely separate army would be stupid too. We already have Custodes (and they will be active in 40K) as a new megasuperhuman army.
This is just bloody stupid idea regardless of how exactly they do it, but the path of least resistance would probably be to introduce them as some sort of strange upgrade for existing marines. Then at least all chapters could get them, and it would increase the possibility that existing marine players would actually buy them instead of just saying 'feth this game of soldiers' and ragequitting.
The least cringeworthy method would certainly be purely tech based, so no Guilliman's blood or other bodily fluids would be involved. As Guliimiman's new armour also seems to be a some sort of life support system, perhaps they could be based on that? Wounded marines could be permanently sealed in these new übersuits, making them sort of mini dreadnoughts. (If anyone from GW is reading, if you're not already planning to do it this way, please feel free to steal this idea. It will save you from a lot of nerdrage. )
Knowing the way Gee Dubs has been doing things lately they'll probably make them a standalone army who has a super special formation that lets you ally them to a regular marine army. Heck, maybe they'll provide buffs to regular marines with how cool and special and super and awesome and superior and elite they are.
Maybe they'll add chapter tactics so you can paint them as UltraSalamanders or UltraImperial Fists.
They'll be so badass their special rule will be "And They Shall Give No Feths". If you take the right squads for their formation the USR "Tabler of All" kicks in and after deployment they auto-win.
Ugh....as much as I hate to admit it, I believe there is actually a precedent to the "ultra-marine". Which is no other than Corvus Corax and his reconstruction program post Isstvaan III. Corax had the Astartes template and had improved upon it, his results were the construction of better Astartes. However, Omegon borked it up and Corax dropped the issue. Yet, Craw must have been charged with either fixing and finishing were Corax started or basically did the same thing and Guilliman was the last piece of the puzzle (or any Primarch really).
This all assumes that my remembered lore is correct and GW is using the same reasoning.
BrotherGecko wrote: Ugh....as much as I hate to admit it, I believe there is actually a precedent to the "ultra-marine". Which is no other than Corvus Corax and his reconstruction program post Isstvaan III. Corax had the Astartes template and had improved upon it, his results were the construction of better Astartes. However, Omegon borked it up and Corax dropped the issue. Yet, Craw must have been charged with either fixing and finishing were Corax started or basically did the same thing and Guilliman was the last piece of the puzzle (or any Primarch really).
This all assumes that my remembered lore is correct and GW is using the same reasoning.
You are remembering correctly. During the Heresy there were a number of rapid implantation programmes run by different legions to create new troops, such as the World Eaters recruitment planet destroyed by the Iron Hands.
I would bet it is more like Space Marine special forces than Ultra-Ultra Marines, and narratively there is space for development and tension if the new vat grown marines are even more distant from humanity than the 'normal' space marine. Such distant creatures might be completely indifferent to ordinary humans, and where might that path lead them?
BrotherGecko wrote: Ugh....as much as I hate to admit it, I believe there is actually a precedent to the "ultra-marine". Which is no other than Corvus Corax and his reconstruction program post Isstvaan III. Corax had the Astartes template and had improved upon it, his results were the construction of better Astartes. However, Omegon borked it up and Corax dropped the issue. Yet, Craw must have been charged with either fixing and finishing were Corax started or basically did the same thing and Guilliman was the last piece of the puzzle (or any Primarch really).
This all assumes that my remembered lore is correct and GW is using the same reasoning.
You are remembering correctly. During the Heresy there were a number of rapid implantation programmes run by different legions to create new troops, such as the World Eaters recruitment planet destroyed by the Iron Hands.
I would bet it is more like Space Marine special forces than Ultra-Ultra Marines, and narratively there is space for development and tension if the new vat grown marines are even more distant from humanity than the 'normal' space marine. Such distant creatures might be completely indifferent to ordinary humans, and where might that path lead them?
It's fairly likely we'll have the new super marines as the core 'story army' for where 40k is headed. However, I remember lots of discussion after the first triumvirate, that GW have purposely been creating these Start Collecting! boxes, and these new Gathering Storm heroes, with the purpose of mixing and matching armies easily for new-comers.
I suspect everyone's armies are safe (except those of you part of the soon to be dirty heretic SM traitors), and they will all likely be consolidated into one codex (that's purely hoping on my end). They've been planning this for a while, don't worry your armies are safe.
Really my only concern is the story writing. I hope they don't recycle the HH too much and this doesn't lead to a simple pretend like we're losing but really, just kidding, we're ready to rock you...easily.
Even if I am now pretty sure this will be part of Guilliman attempting to resurrect the legions with mass induction, I secretly wish Guilliman was actually restarting the Thunder Warrior program with new armor and weapons in desperate attempt to build up Imperial forces.
BrotherGecko wrote: Even if I am now pretty sure this will be part of Guilliman attempting to resurrect the legions with mass induction, I secretly wish Guilliman was actually restarting the Thunder Warrior program with new armor and weapons in desperate attempt to build up Imperial forces.
Which doesn't make any sense.. Thunder Warriors weren't *better* Marines, they were short lived weapons designed to do a job then die out. Why would you want unstable engineered soldiers that die out quickly?
In either case, only the Emperor knows the secrets and I'm not sure how Guilliman after like 3 months of study in between going to a dozen different places in the galaxy can do such a thing. This is the same problem that the entire of new Custodes have.. IE each was crafted individually by the Emperor and cannot be replicated. There is a reason why 40k has a backstory that can't be replicated by anyone other than the Emperor but I guess GW could destroy that as well in their rush to make Warhammer 40k: The Comic Book.
Although I'm sure Cawl will figure everything out.
Is the idea that 8th will come out and we will no longer have eleventybillion Space Marine codex? That these new RG Marines will likely be no different rules wise from Marines today but remove some of the bloat?
Or will these literally be the 40k equivilent to Custodes in some fashion and we'll have eleventybillionandone Marine books going into 8th?
(who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon 
You have seen the new figures, right?!
