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yeah, I really dont' think they will remove marines, since it is the bread and butter of the comany.

Still, GW don't seem to realise that by constanstly bringing in humans better than marines, they are making them lose their appeal

OgreChubbs wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Let's just say that we have a vastly different opinion. For me 40k is a setting, not a story that need continuous evolutions. Making technological advancement no longer a crime amount to removing one of the collest apsect of the setting imo.

Oh well, It seems that GW is no longer for me. AOS completely killed my love for Warhammer, and I fear (note that I said fear, since we don't know for sure what's coming) that 8th edition will do the same for 40k

I think the fact they tore Down the space marine and replaced it with a sigmarine shows they are moving forward and marines will be gone soon.

Do you really believe this?

 shinros wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Let's just say that we have a vastly different opinion. For me 40k is a setting, not a story that need continuous evolutions. Making technological advancement no longer a crime amount to removing one of the collest apsect of the setting imo.

Oh well, It seems that GW is no longer for me. AOS completely killed my love for Warhammer, and I fear (note that I said fear, since we don't know for sure what's coming) that 8th edition will do the same for 40k

I think the fact they tore Down the space marine and replaced it with a sigmarine shows they are moving forward and marines will be gone soon.

Do you really believe this?

After AoS boost in money, the sigmarines being bigger newer better. GW history of over doing the good guys, they tore down the marine statue. Gilly and crawl are making new marines and custodians are out. I am 100% on them being replaced with new super duper marines.

Cross platform sigmarines or the sort.

There was no AOS boost in money related to sigmarines, or at the very least, we don't know if there was one

StraightSilver wrote:
I believe historically new editions of 40K have come out in the summer, around June/July?

However the 30th aniversary of 40K is in October 2017

If memory serves, the new hardcover rulebook drops at the beginning of summer, and the boxed set hits in the fall. They could be doing this.

 streetsamurai wrote:
There was no AOS boost in money related to sigmarines, or at the very least, we don't know if there was one

Compare pre AoS GW financial statements with post AoS GW financial statements.

You will find you are wrong.

I had assumed that it was going to be a new armour mark and maybe bigger chapters. But actual Astartes 2.0? Is there a word for feeling apprehensive and intrigued at the same time?

I really hope the don't mess around with Space Marine scale too much. We just got new Thousand Sons and Deathwatch.

If the new Starter Set follows the same theme of the previous ones where it includes the Rulebook, I will be on board for one. It will undoubtedly have Space Marines in some form inside, so I will be able to make use of it.

Neronoxx wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
There was no AOS boost in money related to sigmarines, or at the very least, we don't know if there was one

Compare pre AoS GW financial statements with post AoS GW financial statements.

You will find you are wrong.

God, in this thread too? Can't we just keep this nonsense to the financials thread?

There's no definite, direct, correlation between AOS and GW's financials improving. There's far too many other big, unrelated, releases in the same time period, so the signal to noise ratio in terms of what, precisely, turned the financials around is too high.

Yes, there is a plausible narrative that an improvement in AOS sales has occurred, relative to WHFB, but there are equally plausible narratives that explain it that only require AOS to have had enough of a bump to not make them liars when they said AOS is doing better than WHFB was.

The rumors about the Super Marines is a bit concerning. I wonder if they'll exist alongside "normal" marines? If so, games with the two fighting each other are going to look quite weird.

Posted this on the wrong thread originally. So here for posterity:

A Marine Reboute 2.0 Doesn't appeal. At all. I was okay with Cadia falling, Beil-Tan fracturing, 13th Crusade getting close to Terra, Feth, I was even hyped about Primarchs returning.

A lot of us have put time and effort and a lot of TLC in making our legions/chapters. I really don't want all of that invalidated overnight.

'Can't keep up with Scat bikes or put down necrons using the finest super soldiers the Imperium has to offer? Well now you can, with the new Super engineered, super soldiers of the Imperium. Guillimarines. Geneseed plus.' Urgh.

 streetsamurai wrote:
yeah, I really dont' think they will remove marines, since it is the bread and butter of the comany.

They don't have to remove Marines from the game to completely replace them with these 'new' Marines.

Marines are a complete line. They basically nothing that isn't available in plastic. Aside from inventing new units and ret-conning them into the fluff (ala Centurions) their next option is to completely replace the model line over time.

What will they be called though? Thundercast Immortals for now. If AoS has Sigmarines, will these be Gilmarines?

 Azreal13 wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
There was no AOS boost in money related to sigmarines, or at the very least, we don't know if there was one

Compare pre AoS GW financial statements with post AoS GW financial statements.

You will find you are wrong.

God, in this thread too? Can't we just keep this nonsense to the financials thread?

There's no definite, direct, correlation between AOS and GW's financials improving. There's far too many other big, unrelated, releases in the same time period, so the signal to noise ratio in terms of what, precisely, turned the financials around is too high.

Yes, there is a plausible narrative that an improvement in AOS sales has occurred, relative to WHFB, but there are equally plausible narratives that explain it that only require AOS to have had enough of a bump to not make them liars when they said AOS is doing better than WHFB was.

Yep, and ST and the last chance to buy armies have also a lot to do with the improvement of AOS sale compared to WHFB sales (not to mention that the year they used was a starter set year, which always sale in tremendous numbers, and we don't know to which years they compared it (probably a non starter set year))
But then, at this point, I've pretty much realised that a lot of the posters here are completely clueless when it comes to business administration

What's more, bigger marines would be easier for that little Timmy to paint!

With the primarch having a stat line of 6 and the normal ones a stat line of 4, the new marine might get a stat line of 5 (Thunderwarriors?).
A marine with that stats would be a lot more expensive points-wise (centurions are 55 points) than the normal 14 points marine.
I don´t think they would go with this.

If they get rid of the normal marines and you are able to field "Thunderwarriors" for the normal 14 points, how much points should a guardsman cost? 1?
So not a likely option.

If they are close to the normal marine with just a small upgrade, they wouldn´t have that impact that is now discussed. You could field normal and re-sized advanced marines.
Or simply use the new models as count as for the normal marines.


In general i don´t believe in AOS-sification of 40k. Some special rules will be gone or changed. I don´t think that if all vehicles get a T value though i believe closing the gap between MC´s and vehicles. We will see.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
yeah, I really dont' think they will remove marines, since it is the bread and butter of the comany.

They don't have to remove Marines from the game to completely replace them with these 'new' Marines.

Marines are a complete line. They basically nothing that isn't available in plastic. Aside from inventing new units and ret-conning them into the fluff (ala Centurions) their next option is to completely replace the model line over time.

What will they be called though? Thundercast Immortals for now. If AoS has Sigmarines, will these be Gilmarines?

Yeah, I agree with you, but I was responding to the poster that thought that GW were phasing out marines.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


What will they be called though? Thundercast Immortals for now. If AoS has Sigmarines, will these be Gilmarines?

Mk. X sounds nice.

Welcome back

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

What will they be called though? Thundercast Immortals for now. If AoS has Sigmarines, will these be Gilmarines?

Gullcast Eternals

Adeptus Gullstartes

Ultracast

Adeptus Astartes 2: Electric Boogaloo

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

What will they be called though? Thundercast Immortals for now. If AoS has Sigmarines, will these be Gilmarines?

Gullcast Eternals

Adeptus Gullstartes

Ultracast

Adeptus Astartes 2: Electric Boogaloo

W40K Robouted.

Firefox1 wrote:
With the primarch having a stat line of 6 and the normal ones a stat line of 4, the new marine might get a stat line of 5 (Thunderwarriors?).
A marine with that stats would be a lot more expensive points-wise (centurions are 55 points) than the normal 14 points marine.
I don´t think they would go with this.

If they get rid of the normal marines and you are able to field "Thunderwarriors" for the normal 14 points, how much points should a guardsman cost? 1?
So not a likely option.

If they are close to the normal marine with just a small upgrade, they wouldn´t have that impact that is now discussed. You could field normal and re-sized advanced marines.
Or simply use the new models as count as for the normal marines.


In general i don´t believe in AOS-sification of 40k. Some special rules will be gone or changed. I don´t think that if all vehicles get a T value though i believe closing the gap between MC´s and vehicles. We will see.

Have you payed attention over the years? The new marines will be criminally under cost is my guess while having relentless stock for better mobility and on paper it will be a no brainer to take them over tacticals. You really think they care how they are priced in relation to stagnant decades old kits? People will bitch and moan while hypocritically buying up droves of them and starting PM threads, all of which will reward the new decision on GW's financials. Eventually old marines will become the Chaos warriors and Knights of fantasy, simply replaced by newer bigger better models. I don't fault GW BTW either, it is the only smart option at this point.

A while back I predicted marines being phased out and replaced and was scoffed at because marines are GW's bread and butter, trouble is even with a few minutes of thought you realize the player base is only ever going to get so big in this hobby and eventually you saturate the market with all those marine kits and your only option to stay afloat is to replace them with marines plus.

Quote me later if I am wrong, but like I said before, these new marines will be such a no brainer to field in game and they will fly off the shelves as the arms race that is 40k continues despite the groaning on here.

New Astartes forged on Mars? This could bring some nice new models. I would love new Marines similiar to the 30th Anniversary Space Marine and those Giger-esque designs of RT. The Mechanicus would love that design too, I guess

New type of armour is fine. This Guilliman's blood nonsense is far from fine. This sort of upgraded über marines would instantly devalue all the existing marines, all the legendary marine heroes people love. I hope it is BS.




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Sad Panda wrote:

Mk. X sounds nice.

Sad Panda, the hero we need! Please, tell us you have more information to share! What happened to Mk. IX? (Or is that Aegis?)

 streetsamurai wrote:


Yep, and ST and the last chance to buy armies have also a lot to do with the improvement of AOS sale compared to WHFB sales (not to mention that the year they used was a starter set year, which always sale in tremendous numbers, and we don't know to which years they compared it (probably a non starter set year))
But then, at this point, I've pretty much realised that a lot of the posters here are completely clueless when it comes to business administration

I will be ever so happy for you to show me this data oh great and wise business administrator.

 Crimson wrote:
New type of armour is fine. This Guilliman's blood nonsense is far from fine. This sort of upgraded über marines would instantly devalue all the existing marines, all the legendary marine heroes people love. I hope it is BS.




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Sad Panda wrote:

Mk. X sounds nice.

Sad Panda, the hero we need! Please, tell us you have more information to share!

Hopefully it only means that they can create more marines and that they are no longer limited by the existing geneseeds. Cause indeed, if it's truel, it will only devaluate current marines


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Daedalus81 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


Yep, and ST and the last chance to buy armies have also a lot to do with the improvement of AOS sale compared to WHFB sales (not to mention that the year they used was a starter set year, which always sale in tremendous numbers, and we don't know to which years they compared it (probably a non starter set year))
But then, at this point, I've pretty much realised that a lot of the posters here are completely clueless when it comes to business administration

I will be ever so happy for you to show me this data oh great and wise business administrator.

Which data? That ST sold well and that the last chance to buy armies were sold out in a matter of a few days? That's common knowledge

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
New type of armour is fine. This Guilliman's blood nonsense is far from fine. This sort of upgraded über marines would instantly devalue all the existing marines, all the legendary marine heroes people love. I hope it is BS.




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Sad Panda wrote:

Mk. X sounds nice.

Sad Panda, the hero we need! Please, tell us you have more information to share!

Hopefully it only means that they can create more marines and that they are no longer limited by the existing geneseeds. Cause indeed, if it's truel, it will only devaluate current marines


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Daedalus81 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


Yep, and ST and the last chance to buy armies have also a lot to do with the improvement of AOS sale compared to WHFB sales (not to mention that the year they used was a starter set year, which always sale in tremendous numbers, and we don't know to which years they compared it (probably a non starter set year))
But then, at this point, I've pretty much realised that a lot of the posters here are completely clueless when it comes to business administration

I will be ever so happy for you to show me this data oh great and wise business administrator.

Which data? That ST sold well and that the last chance to buy armies were sold out in a matter of a few days? That's common knowledge

Give up it's like arguing with creationists and climate change deniers.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

What will they be called though? Thundercast Immortals for now. If AoS has Sigmarines, will these be Gilmarines?

Gullcast Eternals

Adeptus Gullstartes

Ultracast

Adeptus Astartes 2: Electric Boogaloo

Ultra Eternals

SeanDrake wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
New type of armour is fine. This Guilliman's blood nonsense is far from fine. This sort of upgraded über marines would instantly devalue all the existing marines, all the legendary marine heroes people love. I hope it is BS.




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Sad Panda wrote:

Mk. X sounds nice.

Sad Panda, the hero we need! Please, tell us you have more information to share!

Hopefully it only means that they can create more marines and that they are no longer limited by the existing geneseeds. Cause indeed, if it's truel, it will only devaluate current marines


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Daedalus81 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:


Yep, and ST and the last chance to buy armies have also a lot to do with the improvement of AOS sale compared to WHFB sales (not to mention that the year they used was a starter set year, which always sale in tremendous numbers, and we don't know to which years they compared it (probably a non starter set year))
But then, at this point, I've pretty much realised that a lot of the posters here are completely clueless when it comes to business administration

I will be ever so happy for you to show me this data oh great and wise business administrator.

Which data? That ST sold well and that the last chance to buy armies were sold out in a matter of a few days? That's common knowledge

Give up it's like arguing with creationists and climate change deniers.

Lol indeed I should just give up

But since I'm a university professor in Business adminstration, It's really hard for me to let such ignorance go uncorrected

 kodos wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

What will they be called though? Thundercast Immortals for now. If AoS has Sigmarines, will these be Gilmarines?

Gullcast Eternals

Adeptus Gullstartes

Ultracast

Adeptus Astartes 2: Electric Boogaloo

Ultra Eternals

Legio Gullstodes

Ultrastodes

Guys, you think they don't want to devalue current marines? lol

Makes far more sense to treat marines like empire state units in fantasy and invalidate them in game and create a new uber marine.

They have nothing to lose from you, they got your money, they can only get more of it from the people that will by the next generation. They were only ever going to sell so many marine kits. The current bloat with things like gladius was a smart move by them to get all those collectors to buy out their marine stock ha ha.

I can honestly say I haven't met a new marine collector in at least 2 years in my area, while the vets have slowly bought enough marines that they openly brag about never needing to buy any more marine kits.

I am sure marines will still have legacy rules but don't act shocked when over the next few years they become total neglected rubbish. How long before we get a new Uber rhino chassis?

Edit: BTW I am not laughing at people having invalidated armies, just chuckling at the situation as a whole. I have a ton of marines myself lol In fact I bet I have well over 300 marines across faction, and to add some anecdotal evidence, the only new marines I have bought in the last 5 years were the calth chaps.