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**pizzaguardian**

Geez, i am almost regretting opening this thread.

So much random stuff.

**TheDraconicLord**

pizzaguardian wrote:
Geez, i am almost regretting opening this thread.

So much random stuff.

Don't be.

We all have to face it, sooner or later. Some (like me) are pretty much fist-pumping with the idea of massive changes and new miniatures, others will either quit or adapt like it happened with AoS. Heck, it may not even happen

**Frozocrone**

pizzaguardian wrote:
Geez, i am almost regretting opening this thread.

So much random stuff.

I quit 40k because of 7th.

All these random ideas are interesting me and making me consider rejoining.

Just hope that the hobby itself becomes cheaper to get back into (ie cheaper models) but I don't see it happening.

**General Kroll**

Don Savik wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
There is one major flaw with the AoS-40k analogy; WHFB wasn't selling well, 40k was. Even old-GW wouldn't see fit to mix up 40k as much as they did Fantasy, and new-GW continues to prove itself remarkably capable of learning from its mistakes. Further, WHFB didn't really have poster boys of the setting; there was no one army/faction that really stood out as being the iconic one of the game and GW obviously wanted AoS to have Stormcast as the poster boys. 40k already has Space Marines as its poster boys and it would be an unprecedented level of stupidity (even considering pre-2016 GW) for them to change that.

That's what I've been saying forever. Stormcast are to the Empire what Space Marines are to the Imperial Guard. They already have an iconic super soldier of the holy man-god. To say they're making another one to be like AoS just doesn't even make sense. And Space Marines are their most popular, best selling army ever in their entire history as a company, which begs the question: why change anything?

These are my thoughts exactly, it just doesn't make a lick of sense. I'm not saying that there isn't going to be a new super soldier released. But the reasoning is absolute nonsense.

I'm going to wait and see what happens. I like Seventh Edition, I mostly play HoR Kill Team, so if they ruin the game and the setting I will happily carry on playing those two rule sets with my buddies and keep modelling my armies with the bits and pieces that they release that I like. If they release an 8th edition that looks really cool, and the setting looks interesting I will lap it up and go balls deep.

To be honest, I'm still going to buy their paint and their minis.

**kodos**

Frozocrone wrote:

Just hope that the hobby itself becomes cheaper to get back into (ie cheaper models) but I don't see it happening.

the hobby itself gets cheaper, but GW and 40k won't.

**Dudeface**

kodos wrote:
Frozocrone wrote:

Just hope that the hobby itself becomes cheaper to get back into (ie cheaper models) but I don't see it happening.

the hobby itself gets cheaper, but GW and 40k won't.

I would guess a smaller head count of more expensive minis may be in our future

**Ruin**

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/03/40k-rumors-guilliman-planning-new-space-marines.html

Well, regardless of if Hastings actually posted it or not BOLS has wind of it now so it's out in the wild...

**alphaecho**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For those freaking out that the alleged advent of properly scaled Marines will mean the end of the their Marine army...

Consider Orks.

Prior to 3rd Ed, they had a really odd mix of sizes, and were nowhere near as burly. Yet people continue to use them.

Terminators likewise - they got better proportioned to the point they needed get a new base size (though of course, said base was first used for the Ork Warboss). You can still use your vintage Termies.

Rhinos - current is bigger than the original.

In short? Chill, Winston.

I take a fairly loose attitude towards scale.

I don't view the model as a literal representation but as an abstract.

That's why I don't get some players being annoyed at Marines with no helmets because "It makes no sense, you can be shot in the face". The figure is a split second snapshot in time. Maybe it was shattered by a previous shot?

As such, the apparent scale inconsistency between Marines and humans doesn't bother me. I still reckon future IG should springboard from the fantastic work on the Genestealer Cultists rather than 'apeing' the current Cadians.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
Zewrath wrote:
You forgot non-gender conformists... You bigot!

6% of them will identify as Deffkoptas.

Are you assuming my Force Organisation slot?

**H.B.M.C.**

Warhams-77 wrote:
So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?

Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.

**angelofvengeance**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?

Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.

Nevertheless, he/she does have a point.

**godswildcard**

i have no idea why GW would snub the golden goose that is space marines for an unknown quantity, but these rumors sound like that's exactly what they're doing. It doesn't make any sense at all, especially when shaped as the Empire to Stormcast equivalency. So now not only did they squat my Tomb Kings, but my Blood Ravens will be useless since they are the OLD flavor of space marine and thus not cool anymore.

I'm not only opening the door, but I've grabbed my coat and have one foot on the porch. I'm not overly optimistic about the future.

**Vorian**

"…I’m not suggesting anything gets squatted. I said clearly focus will be on new marines rather than existing chapters, but existing chapters will still get releases."

**kodos**

Dudeface wrote:
kodos wrote:
Frozocrone wrote:

Just hope that the hobby itself becomes cheaper to get back into (ie cheaper models) but I don't see it happening.

the hobby itself gets cheaper, but GW and 40k won't.

I would guess a smaller head count of more expensive minis may be in our future

I say larger head count and more expensive minis

godswildcard wrote:
i have no idea why GW would snub the golden goose that is space marines for an unknown quantity,

because if space marines sell well, new bigger and more shiny space marines will sell better
also because everyone wants to have them
imagine the amount of models sold if all space marine player out there gonna buy the new space marine army instead of just one box of new weapons

**Warhams-77**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?

Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.

Even before the WFB End Times got officially announced I posted regularly here what Hastings and Harry had rumored on Warseer and that the game is going to be shut down and rebooted. Pages full of quotes whats going to happen with WFB. Take your time to check my post history from 2014.

Same with round bases after a chap on a german board found a teaser photo (Skaven warmachine) in a weekly WD ebook preview. I even made sure after showing the picture here and on other forums like Warseer that people who ignored the original source and started accusations this would be photoshopped/faked to take a look into the preview to verify the image.

We knew the system would end, a year before it happened - in detail - the same way we now have a lot of valid information from excellent sources that they are not rebooting the game and/or the Space Marines range - see the latest updates from Hastings tonight. He reaffirmed they are not replacing Space Marines

Hastings - Disqus (via BOLS linked earlier in this thread)

…I’m not suggesting anything gets squatted. I said clearly focus will be on new marines rather than existing chapters, but existing chapters will still get releases.

I don’t get it, people are happy they’re moving the story/timeline on but don’t want anything to change, they want just their chapter to get new toys yet complain SM have too much, 40k players should think themselves lucky that they didn’t get the same treatment that WFB fans did with the destruction of the setting and large parts of models/armies. What’s the point of the hobby for Bret or tomb kings players?

I see new marines as a chance to have the best of both worlds, SM originals don’t get endless variants and units but are still in the fight, new marines are like a new army to build up from scratch pretty much, I’m sure they’d happily ally so don’t really see what the problem is.

…The answer to that is simply I don’t know. I was told they new marines are different to current marines, [...]

I really doubt the iconic space marine kit will be retired so I wouldn’t worry too much about them becoming outdated. I guess fluffwise it would be no different than older armour classes still being around in 40k, sure the new marines would be out there, but a lot of existing marines are still out there too.”

These threads here are full of scaremongering. Is it so hard to stop it? Do people bother to actually read the sources?

**herjan1987**

Warhams-77 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?

Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.

Even before the WFB End Times got officially announced I posted regularly here what Hastings and Harry had rumored on Warseer and that the game is going to be shut down and rebooted. Pages full of quotes whats going to happen with WFB. Take your time to check my post history from 2014.

Same with round bases after a chap on a german board found a teaser photo (Skaven warmachine) in a weekly WD ebook preview. I even made sure after showing the picture here and on other forums like Warseer that people who ignored the original source and started accusations this would be photoshopped/faked to take a look into the preview to verify the image.

We knew the system would end, a year before it happened - in detail - the same way we now have a lot of valid information from excellent sources that they are not rebooting the game and/or the Space Marines range - see the latest updates from Hastings tonight. He reaffirmed they are not replacing Space Marines

Hastings - Disqus (via BOLS linked earlier in this thread)

…I’m not suggesting anything gets squatted. I said clearly focus will be on new marines rather than existing chapters, but existing chapters will still get releases.

I don’t get it, people are happy they’re moving the story/timeline on but don’t want anything to change, they want just their chapter to get new toys yet complain SM have too much, 40k players should think themselves lucky that they didn’t get the same treatment that WFB fans did with the destruction of the setting and large parts of models/armies. What’s the point of the hobby for Bret or tomb kings players?

I see new marines as a chance to have the best of both worlds, SM originals don’t get endless variants and units but are still in the fight, new marines are like a new army to build up from scratch pretty much, I’m sure they’d happily ally so don’t really see what the problem is.

…The answer to that is simply I don’t know. I was told they new marines are different to current marines, [...]

I really doubt the iconic space marine kit will be retired so I wouldn’t worry too much about them becoming outdated. I guess fluffwise it would be no different than older armour classes still being around in 40k, sure the new marines would be out there, but a lot of existing marines are still out there too.”

These threads here are full of scaremongering. Is it so hard to stop it? Do people bother to actually read the sources?

Its not about squatting Marines. The fuss is about that till now Marines were the ultimate heroes. The very top of the food chain. Now with these new Gulliman Marines, they will look less. Atm I dont know why does the Imperium have Guardsmen anymore. Why dont they just mass produce Space Marines. Really makes no sence at all. Also suddenly after 10k years technological regression we are at the same level as the Emperor was in his golden days. Thats just stupid. This is the same level of stupid as the early fluff of AoS.

**Warhams-77**

How do we know what GW is doing with them, their background, their functionality?

**Ruin**

godswildcard wrote:
i have no idea why GW would snub the golden goose that is space marines for an unknown quantity, but these rumors sound like that's exactly what they're doing. It doesn't make any sense at all, especially when shaped as the Empire to Stormcast equivalency. So now not only did they squat my Tomb Kings, but my Blood Ravens will be useless since they are the OLD flavor of space marine and thus not cool anymore.

I'm not only opening the door, but I've grabbed my coat and have one foot on the porch. I'm not overly optimistic about the future.

Don't worry though DoW3 is out soon. That'll shore up the numbers with them wanting to recreate what they've done on the computer on the tabletop.

Wait...

**Vorian**

There are already Custodes and Grey Knights to one up the normal marines.

The Mk X marines will more than likely be another ultra elite option like those two. So the normal marines are no more invalidated than they have been from rogue trader era

**Starfarer**

herjan1987 wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?

Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.

Even before the WFB End Times got officially announced I posted regularly here what Hastings and Harry had rumored on Warseer and that the game is going to be shut down and rebooted. Pages full of quotes whats going to happen with WFB. Take your time to check my post history from 2014.

Same with round bases after a chap on a german board found a teaser photo (Skaven warmachine) in a weekly WD ebook preview. I even made sure after showing the picture here and on other forums like Warseer that people who ignored the original source and started accusations this would be photoshopped/faked to take a look into the preview to verify the image.

We knew the system would end, a year before it happened - in detail - the same way we now have a lot of valid information from excellent sources that they are not rebooting the game and/or the Space Marines range - see the latest updates from Hastings tonight. He reaffirmed they are not replacing Space Marines

Hastings - Disqus (via BOLS linked earlier in this thread)

…I’m not suggesting anything gets squatted. I said clearly focus will be on new marines rather than existing chapters, but existing chapters will still get releases.

I don’t get it, people are happy they’re moving the story/timeline on but don’t want anything to change, they want just their chapter to get new toys yet complain SM have too much, 40k players should think themselves lucky that they didn’t get the same treatment that WFB fans did with the destruction of the setting and large parts of models/armies. What’s the point of the hobby for Bret or tomb kings players?

I see new marines as a chance to have the best of both worlds, SM originals don’t get endless variants and units but are still in the fight, new marines are like a new army to build up from scratch pretty much, I’m sure they’d happily ally so don’t really see what the problem is.

…The answer to that is simply I don’t know. I was told they new marines are different to current marines, [...]

I really doubt the iconic space marine kit will be retired so I wouldn’t worry too much about them becoming outdated. I guess fluffwise it would be no different than older armour classes still being around in 40k, sure the new marines would be out there, but a lot of existing marines are still out there too.”

These threads here are full of scaremongering. Is it so hard to stop it? Do people bother to actually read the sources?

Its not about squatting Marines. The fuss is about that till now Marines were the ultimate heroes. The very top of the food chain. Now with these new Gulliman Marines, they will look less. Atm I dont know why does the Imperium have Guardsmen anymore. Why dont they just mass produce Space Marines. Really makes no sence at all. Also suddenly after 10k years technological regression we are at the same level as the Emperor was in his golden days. Thats just stupid. This is the same level of stupid as the early fluff of AoS.

This is exactly what he's talking about dude.

We have a snippet of information, unconfirmed at that, and you're drawing sweeping conclusions about the entire outcome of the setting from it.

This gak happens every edition and every time people overreact based on tiny pieces of info.

**Ruin**

Vorian wrote:
There are already Custodes and Grey Knights to one up the normal marines.

The Mk X marines will more than likely be another ultra elite option like those two. So the normal marines are no more invalidated than they have been from rogue trader era

Remember though, (yes, I know this cuts both ways so don't point that out) keep those words short and sweet as you may just have to eat them.

**kodos**

There are 2 ways to update the old Space Marine design

Replace everything from one day to another with new TrueScale designs

or add another faction with the new stuff and let the old design run out with no longterm support

**Melissia**

Or just offer new models and say "you can paint these whatever color you like to represent all types of space marines".

**shinros**

Starfarer wrote:
herjan1987 wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Warhams-77 wrote:
So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?

Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.

Even before the WFB End Times got officially announced I posted regularly here what Hastings and Harry had rumored on Warseer and that the game is going to be shut down and rebooted. Pages full of quotes whats going to happen with WFB. Take your time to check my post history from 2014.

Same with round bases after a chap on a german board found a teaser photo (Skaven warmachine) in a weekly WD ebook preview. I even made sure after showing the picture here and on other forums like Warseer that people who ignored the original source and started accusations this would be photoshopped/faked to take a look into the preview to verify the image.

We knew the system would end, a year before it happened - in detail - the same way we now have a lot of valid information from excellent sources that they are not rebooting the game and/or the Space Marines range - see the latest updates from Hastings tonight. He reaffirmed they are not replacing Space Marines

Hastings - Disqus (via BOLS linked earlier in this thread)

…I’m not suggesting anything gets squatted. I said clearly focus will be on new marines rather than existing chapters, but existing chapters will still get releases.

I don’t get it, people are happy they’re moving the story/timeline on but don’t want anything to change, they want just their chapter to get new toys yet complain SM have too much, 40k players should think themselves lucky that they didn’t get the same treatment that WFB fans did with the destruction of the setting and large parts of models/armies. What’s the point of the hobby for Bret or tomb kings players?

I see new marines as a chance to have the best of both worlds, SM originals don’t get endless variants and units but are still in the fight, new marines are like a new army to build up from scratch pretty much, I’m sure they’d happily ally so don’t really see what the problem is.

…The answer to that is simply I don’t know. I was told they new marines are different to current marines, [...]

I really doubt the iconic space marine kit will be retired so I wouldn’t worry too much about them becoming outdated. I guess fluffwise it would be no different than older armour classes still being around in 40k, sure the new marines would be out there, but a lot of existing marines are still out there too.”

These threads here are full of scaremongering. Is it so hard to stop it? Do people bother to actually read the sources?

Its not about squatting Marines. The fuss is about that till now Marines were the ultimate heroes. The very top of the food chain. Now with these new Gulliman Marines, they will look less. Atm I dont know why does the Imperium have Guardsmen anymore. Why dont they just mass produce Space Marines. Really makes no sence at all. Also suddenly after 10k years technological regression we are at the same level as the Emperor was in his golden days. Thats just stupid. This is the same level of stupid as the early fluff of AoS.

This is exactly what he's talking about dude.

We have a snippet of information, unconfirmed at that, and you're drawing sweeping conclusions about the entire outcome of the setting from it.

This gak happens every edition and every time people overreact based on tiny pieces of info.

Indeed, It's change. People for the most part hate change despite clamoring for years to advance the story line. Once it starts happening the sky is falling, now honestly I see this as GW chance to get true scale marines in I mean look at deatwatch and the new tzeentch releases and their scale along with Kharn and Ahriman? Compare them to the size of a tactical. They are doing this without touching the current marine line and I know people will convert them to be their new "tactical" marines due to scale.

As hastings said GW are not going to touch the marine lines just introduce one and people are acting like they are going to squat your army when he said no such thing? People are blowing things out of proportion.

**Vorian**

Or introduce a new mark of a new bigger version of marines and give them a new armour Mark - and then keep updating the old marines too - you know, like the rumour says

**Ian Sturrock**

Maybe we can just have a consensus to represent the new UberUltraMarines with Terminator marines, in a counts-as kind of way, so that Terminators actually get to come off the shelf for once.

**col. krazy kenny**

Frozocrone wrote:
pizzaguardian wrote:
Geez, i am almost regretting opening this thread.

So much random stuff.

I quit 40k because of 7th.

All these random ideas are interesting me and making me consider rejoining.

Just hope that the hobby itself becomes cheaper to get back into (ie cheaper models) but I don't see it happening.

I quit in 6th after i have been playing since 1st edition was first released. I play loose Historicals now, Bolt action ,flames of war, Cold war{ team YAnkee}.
The only GW game we play is Blood bowl once in a great while.
But i have been thinking of getting back into it ,but using one of the older rules sets.
I have seen this AOS 40k thing coming for awhie now. the GAme got to big and GW is having a hard time protecting it IP.

**Mymearan**

Hopefully newer Marines will be the same size as Deathwatch, those guys feel more appropriately scaled for modern GW heroic scale. If the rumoured über-marines are a bit bigger still that's fine.

**Segersgia**

Mymearan wrote:
Hopefully newer Marines will be the same size as Deathwatch, those guys feel more appropriately scaled for modern GW heroic scale. If the rumoured über-marines are a bit bigger still that's fine.

Someone said they are two heads bigger than a guardsman.

I don't collect Space Marines, let alone Deathwatch, so I don't know how big they are in comparison.

**Gamgee**

The DW do look better proportioned than normal marines. In my mind they are how all marine models should be proportioned. So if the super marines are bigger who knows. They might well mess up the proportions again for all we know.

**Galas**

Jesus boys!. Look how oudated this gothic chatedral look. Maybe it was cool in the late 1200, but they really need to bring it up to date!

Spoiler:

I actually don't think that Ultra-Ultra marines are a good thing, having Custodes and Grey Knights to fill the niche of... Super-SpaceMarines.

I see this as a pure commercial movement to re-sell new marines to all the marines players. I don't judge GW for that. Its a reasonable movement from a economical standpoint.

The changes in the lore, meh. I still play and roleplay in the Old World, at the same time I play Age of Sigmar. I don't think the changes of lately are any good but I can play and read various lores at the same time.

I think W40K should learn of AoS rules, not AoS Lore.