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 Gamgee wrote:
The DW do look better proportioned than normal marines. In my mind they are how all marine models should be proportioned. So if the super marines are bigger who knows. They might well mess up the proportions again for all we know.

The DW are arguably worse proportioned than regular marines. They have thick ape arms, long legs, bigger heads.....and the same sized torsos as older marines. I bought the kit hoping for good conversion and found one of the worse marine kits to date. Definitely a regression from the current tactical kit.

I think the regular marines models look pretty lame myself, but that is my opinion of course. DW are the only marine models I like.

 Gamgee wrote:
I think the regular marines models look pretty lame myself, but that is my opinion of course. DW are the only marine models I like.

Do you own any? I like them too but once the kit was in hand I stopped liking them. Every weapon is either one handed or held at the waist like they are bored and tired for the day. The arms really bother me more than anything less, the are just so clunky.

As for the rumors. I hope its some sort of case of mistaken identity and Nu-Marines are actually rearmed and refitted Custodes. Without the Emperor (assuming he is dead), Guilliman would probably send them out, they would be back to recruiting to meet the new mission and be a old force in new light that wouldn't ruin my Dark Angels army.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I think the regular marines models look pretty lame myself, but that is my opinion of course. DW are the only marine models I like.

Do you own any? I like them too but once the kit was in hand I stopped liking them. Every weapon is either one handed or held at the waist like they are bored and tired for the day. The arms really bother me more than anything less, the are just so clunky.

As for the rumors. I hope its some sort of case of mistaken identity and Nu-Marines are actually rearmed and refitted Custodes. Without the Emperor (assuming he is dead), Guilliman would probably send them out, they would be back to recruiting to meet the new mission and be a old force in new light that wouldn't ruin my Dark Angels army.

One would presume Hasting knows what Custodes looks like and what not...And making new models that look nothing like custodes to represent new custodes makes even less sense than new type of marines.

Also fluffiwise would show unbelieavable level of stupidity from GW if they did that and try to make sure it would make huge impact. I mean less than 1000 non-replacable warriors going to have major impact in galaxy scale? Riiiiiiiiight. Custodes are good but they are not THAT good.

tneva82 wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I think the regular marines models look pretty lame myself, but that is my opinion of course. DW are the only marine models I like.

Do you own any? I like them too but once the kit was in hand I stopped liking them. Every weapon is either one handed or held at the waist like they are bored and tired for the day. The arms really bother me more than anything less, the are just so clunky.

As for the rumors. I hope its some sort of case of mistaken identity and Nu-Marines are actually rearmed and refitted Custodes. Without the Emperor (assuming he is dead), Guilliman would probably send them out, they would be back to recruiting to meet the new mission and be a old force in new light that wouldn't ruin my Dark Angels army.

One would presume Hasting knows what Custodes looks like and what not...And making new models that look nothing like custodes to represent new custodes makes even less sense than new type of marines.

Also fluffiwise would show unbelieavable level of stupidity from GW if they did that and try to make sure it would make huge impact. I mean less than 1000 non-replacable warriors going to have major impact in galaxy scale? Riiiiiiiiight. Custodes are good but they are not THAT good.

Then again, the custodes latest iterations look awfully a lot like bog-standard marines, only with ornate armor and pointy helmets.

Also, this GW we are tallking about. They have more missing zeros in their setting than the Japanese Navy after Midway.

Lord Kragan wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I think the regular marines models look pretty lame myself, but that is my opinion of course. DW are the only marine models I like.

Do you own any? I like them too but once the kit was in hand I stopped liking them. Every weapon is either one handed or held at the waist like they are bored and tired for the day. The arms really bother me more than anything less, the are just so clunky.

As for the rumors. I hope its some sort of case of mistaken identity and Nu-Marines are actually rearmed and refitted Custodes. Without the Emperor (assuming he is dead), Guilliman would probably send them out, they would be back to recruiting to meet the new mission and be a old force in new light that wouldn't ruin my Dark Angels army.

One would presume Hasting knows what Custodes looks like and what not...And making new models that look nothing like custodes to represent new custodes makes even less sense than new type of marines.

Also fluffiwise would show unbelieavable level of stupidity from GW if they did that and try to make sure it would make huge impact. I mean less than 1000 non-replacable warriors going to have major impact in galaxy scale? Riiiiiiiiight. Custodes are good but they are not THAT good.

Then again, the custodes latest iterations look awfully a lot like bog-standard marines, only with ornate armor and pointy helmets.

Also, this GW we are tallking about. They have more missing zeros in their setting than the Japanese Navy after Midway.

Have you seen a Custodes model next to a Marine model? They are HUGE in comparison. Nothing like "bog standard Marines"

Have you seen them, outside of comparison though? Their pattern of armor? Going by the artworks, they DO look similar.

tneva82 wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I think the regular marines models look pretty lame myself, but that is my opinion of course. DW are the only marine models I like.

Do you own any? I like them too but once the kit was in hand I stopped liking them. Every weapon is either one handed or held at the waist like they are bored and tired for the day. The arms really bother me more than anything less, the are just so clunky.

As for the rumors. I hope its some sort of case of mistaken identity and Nu-Marines are actually rearmed and refitted Custodes. Without the Emperor (assuming he is dead), Guilliman would probably send them out, they would be back to recruiting to meet the new mission and be a old force in new light that wouldn't ruin my Dark Angels army.

One would presume Hasting knows what Custodes looks like and what not...And making new models that look nothing like custodes to represent new custodes makes even less sense than new type of marines.

Also fluffiwise would show unbelieavable level of stupidity from GW if they did that and try to make sure it would make huge impact. I mean less than 1000 non-replacable warriors going to have major impact in galaxy scale? Riiiiiiiiight. Custodes are good but they are not THAT good.

Current Custodes but I said refit and rearmed, that would make them look different. Why would new Custodes models for a universe that no longer needs them so they are repurposed to fit a new role make less sense then pulling bigger more awesome space marines out of thin air?

Well there are a 1000 Grey Knights and they seem to be doing a good job. There is roughly only 1 million space marines and yet they seem to he capable of doing something. Why would 1000 Custodes suddenly break your suspension of disbelief?

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Current Custodes but I said refit and rearmed, that would make them look different. Why would new Custodes models for a universe that no longer needs them so they are repurposed to fit a new role make less sense then pulling bigger more awesome space marines out of thin air?

Because it would be something NEW that didn't exists before. No surprise something that wasn't around before looks different to others.

If you have models that have zero semblance to custodes what makes them custodes?

Well there are a 1000 Grey Knights and they seem to be doing a good job. There is roughly only 1 million space marines and yet they seem to he capable of doing something. Why would 1000 Custodes suddenly break your suspension of disbelief?

As it is there ISN'T enough marines. Not even in-universum(nevermind logic). Seen Imperium winning much? And most of fighting is done by IG that outnumbers marines like billion to one.

So we have guys that are outnumbered 1000 to 1 by marines(so what was 1000xbillion? Trillion to one by IG? As minimum...) and we are to believe that's enough to turn the tide?

Especially as unlike custodians space marines and grey knights can be replaced...No matter how good custodes are there ARE going to be casualties. How long those less than 1000(1000 was when they were full strenght in HH. HH HAD to take it's toll) are going to last?

Nah. Much more belieavable that the guy with pretty much near perfect track record with rumours is, again, correct in his rumours rather than try some convulated theory as to how he might be wrong.

Vorian wrote:
There are already Custodes and Grey Knights to one up the normal marines.

The Mk X marines will more than likely be another ultra elite option like those two. So the normal marines are no more invalidated than they have been from rogue trader era

Woah there, hoss....

I take it you haven't picked up anything new in awhile? You have seen the new figures, right?!


It's not about invalidation, but proportions. You have any RT Marines? Size them up with your current batch, and reset your conversation point. Custodes are not marines. In other points, I would suspect my impression on 30K stuff being added to 40K stuff is going to come to pass. Sisters of silence, Custodes, etc will be intergrated to the new game set, on account of funding for recasts/ print and dye molds, etc do not correlate to sales. They already have them, all they would need would be some extra 40K bits added to the range/ sprue and done and done.

GW has a habit of recasting, and cranking out current stock in subsets, and "Discount" boxes of 1, 3, or 5 for $20.00 ( Now in current day price) boxes of cheap army filler. With the effort of the book series, I don't see this changing, either.

In case you missed it, the 30K marines are from the RT era, not the RT game of the 80-90's. They will size up with your current marine boxed sets just fine.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

Current Custodes but I said refit and rearmed, that would make them look different. Why would new Custodes models for a universe that no longer needs them so they are repurposed to fit a new role make less sense then pulling bigger more awesome space marines out of thin air?

Well there are a 1000 Grey Knights and they seem to be doing a good job. There is roughly only 1 million space marines and yet they seem to he capable of doing something. Why would 1000 Custodes suddenly break your suspension of disbelief?

Re-mobilised and re-equipped Custodes would be bit weird, but way less cringeworthy than ultra-ultramarines.

tneva82 wrote:
How long those less than 1000(1000 was when they were full strenght in HH. HH HAD to take it's toll) are going to last?

They were 10,000 Strong at full strength during the Heresy, less so after the War in the Webway, which brought deployed forces down to around 1500. That's not counting Custodes forces in the Palace or deployed elsewhere through out the system.

Regardless the point still stands regarding replacement. I mean, I know with things like Marines, Orks ,and Custodes, not all miniatures that are taken out as casualties are killed... but still.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

The DW are arguably worse proportioned than regular marines. They have thick ape arms, long legs, bigger heads.....and the same sized torsos as older marines. I bought the kit hoping for good conversion and found one of the worse marine kits to date. Definitely a regression from the current tactical kit.

It is the best marine kit GW has ever produced. The proportions are fine (and their heads are slightly smaller, not bigger than normal marines.) Granted, all weapons being held one-handed is annoying.

I was really stoked that with the 8E we would get tacticals with those proportions, but now that probably won't happen as non-ultra-ultramarines will be sidelined.

 Grot 6 wrote:

Vorian wrote:
There are already Custodes and Grey Knights to one up the normal marines.

The Mk X marines will more than likely be another ultra elite option like those two. So the normal marines are no more invalidated than they have been from rogue trader era

Woah there, hoss....

I take it you haven't picked up anything new in awhile? You have seen the new figures, right?!


It's not about invalidation, but proportions. You have any RT Marines? Size them up with your current batch, and reset your conversation point. Custodes are not marines. In other points, I would suspect my impression on 30K stuff being added to 40K stuff is going to come to pass. Sisters of silence, Custodes, etc will be intergrated to the new game set, on account of funding for recasts/ print and dye molds, etc do not correlate to sales. They already have them, all they would need would be some extra 40K bits added to the range/ sprue and done and done.

GW has a habit of recasting, and cranking out current stock in subsets, and "Discount" boxes of 1, 3, or 5 for $20.00 ( Now in current day price) boxes of cheap army filler. With the effort of the book series, I don't see this changing, either.

In case you missed it, the 30K marines are from the RT era, not the RT game of the 80-90's. They will size up with your current marine boxed sets just fine.

I have stuff from the 80s right through to the newest stuff - but I was speaking conceptually rather than miniature size wise.

tneva82 wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Current Custodes but I said refit and rearmed, that would make them look different. Why would new Custodes models for a universe that no longer needs them so they are repurposed to fit a new role make less sense then pulling bigger more awesome space marines out of thin air?

Because it would be something NEW that didn't exists before. No surprise something that wasn't around before looks different to others.

If you have models that have zero semblance to custodes what makes them custodes?

Well there are a 1000 Grey Knights and they seem to be doing a good job. There is roughly only 1 million space marines and yet they seem to he capable of doing something. Why would 1000 Custodes suddenly break your suspension of disbelief?

As it is there ISN'T enough marines. Not even in-universum(nevermind logic). Seen Imperium winning much? And most of fighting is done by IG that outnumbers marines like billion to one.

So we have guys that are outnumbered 1000 to 1 by marines(so what was 1000xbillion? Trillion to one by IG? As minimum...) and we are to believe that's enough to turn the tide?

Especially as unlike custodians space marines and grey knights can be replaced...No matter how good custodes are there ARE going to be casualties. How long those less than 1000(1000 was when they were full strenght in HH. HH HAD to take it's toll) are going to last?

Nah. Much more belieavable that the guy with pretty much near perfect track record with rumours is, again, correct in his rumours rather than try some convulated theory as to how he might be wrong.

Nu-Marines are even more something that didn't exist before but at least rearmed Custodes fits the events of Gathering Storm than poof ultraUltramarines. What would make them Custodes would be fluff saying they are/were Custodes....

Have I seen the Imperium winning much? Yes...yes I have. They basically always win. The Ultramarines tanked two unstoppable hive fleets and molly whopped a tomb world with just the under dog tagline. Even if the macro fluff says its not enough all the other fluff says marines never lose. Even the Gathering Storm gives victory to the Imperium in the end. Literally there is nothing beyond the one little tagline to suggest that the space marines won't win in the end. If you pitted the Ultramarines against all of Chaos I have no doubt they would win because nothing suggests otherwise in 40k. Even when Chaos came knocking at the Ultramarines door, their plot armor was so thick it resurrected a Primarch into 40k and changed the entire 40k universe.


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 Crimson wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:

The DW are arguably worse proportioned than regular marines. They have thick ape arms, long legs, bigger heads.....and the same sized torsos as older marines. I bought the kit hoping for good conversion and found one of the worse marine kits to date. Definitely a regression from the current tactical kit.

It is the best marine kit GW has ever produced. The proportions are fine (and their heads are slightly smaller, not bigger than normal marines.) Granted, all weapons being held one-handed is annoying.

I was really stoked that with the 8E we would get tacticals with those proportions, but now that probably won't happen as non-ultra-ultramarines will be sidelined.

The unhelmeted heads are almost as big as regular tactical marine helmets. And still the DW torsos are old scale with goofy new scale everything else. You can't see it on pictures but in your hand it all looks aweful. The basic tactical kit is by far the best marine kit to date. You can do a lot with it were as the DW kit only makes awkward posed gorrila marines. The legs don't suggest walking or running but rather that marines shuffle their feet to static power their power weapons.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

The unhelmeted heads are almost as big as regular tactical marine helmets.

They're not bigger than any (newer) unhelmeted marine heads (really old ones are even bigger.)

And still the DW torsos are old scale with goofy new scale everything else. You can't see it on pictures but in your hand it all looks aweful. The basic tactical kit is by far the best marine kit to date. You can do a lot with it were as the DW kit only makes awkward posed gorrila marines.

I have built bunch of them. The torsos are not bigger than on normal marines, because that part is fine. The normal marines have freakishly short, legs, and on DW kit that is fixed.

The problem I have with the DW marines is not the proportions, but the hip joints- the one that particularly is problematic gives a 45 degree angle flex joint where the thigh reaches the hip, which then turns into a near vertical leg when it reaches the armor section.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Woah there, hoss....

I take it you haven't picked up anything new in awhile? You have seen the new figures, right?!

It's not about invalidation, but proportions. You have any RT Marines? Size them up with your current batch, and reset your conversation point.

I want to pick up some DW just to assemble and paint, but I have a smattering of stuff from the aughts and lots of plastic and metal from the 80s. I also have some Sigmarines as well. The RT era stuff is weedy, it's a technical term, go look it up. This was an era of skintight power armour though, not judging. The RT stuff looks weird next to current Marines because outside of the plastic beaches, RT stuff was all over the place in height and thickness.I for one will welcome our new Ultra-Ultramarine overlords if they are the size of Sigmarines.

 Grot 6 wrote:
In case you missed it, the 30K marines are from the RT era, not the RT game of the 80-90's. They will size up with your current marine boxed sets just fine.

I don't even understand this sentence. Assuming RT means Rogue Trader, the first incarnation of the game, it takes place in the 41st millenium hence the subtitle Warhammer 40,000. It was published in the 80s. The RT era of 40K was slowly retconned into the current setting, it's not a mythical past of 40K. And 30K Marines didn't exist in RT since the HH hadn't been invented yet.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For those freaking out that the alleged advent of properly scaled Marines will mean the end of the their Marine army...

Consider Orks.

Prior to 3rd Ed, they had a really odd mix of sizes, and were nowhere near as burly. Yet people continue to use them.

Terminators likewise - they got better proportioned to the point they needed get a new base size (though of course, said base was first used for the Ork Warboss). You can still use your vintage Termies.

Rhinos - current is bigger than the original.

In short? Chill, Winston.

People are not complaining about the scale, but about the concept


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 angelofvengeance wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?

Now imagine someone saying that during the End Times. Imagine how stupid they'd feel now.

Nevertheless, he/she does have a point.

No he doesn't, since people are complaining about the concept of super space marine, not sayong that the mini will look bad

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For those freaking out that the alleged advent of properly scaled Marines will mean the end of the their Marine army...

Consider Orks.

Prior to 3rd Ed, they had a really odd mix of sizes, and were nowhere near as burly. Yet people continue to use them.

Terminators likewise - they got better proportioned to the point they needed get a new base size (though of course, said base was first used for the Ork Warboss). You can still use your vintage Termies.

Rhinos - current is bigger than the original.

In short? Chill, Winston.

People are not complaining about the scale, but about the concept

Exactly, an increased scale, like the DW, 1ksons and even to a lesser degree the BoP Mk III is cool. The thought of Guillstartes, which are somehow better than normal Marines doesn't sit well. I dont even know how they could make that make sense, as Guilliman's blood technically already flows through his sons. Unless he somehow got a hold of the method the Emperor used to create the Custodes and is just doing like a more refined, takes longer to make Astartes.

I'm starting to wonder if it's the real Hasting. The guy seems too positive about the future of 40k and even AOS, which seems a bit inconsistent with the attitude he had on Warseer

Shh, back off, maintain eye contact, and whatever you do, don't doubt the hype train. If you show any doubt its rabid fans will attack you for not being hyped enough and they will devour you alive

 streetsamurai wrote:
I'm starting to wonder if it's the real Hasting. The guy seems too positive about the future of 40k and even AOS, which seems a bit inconsistent with the attitude he had on Warseer

Are we going there? He states in atia's blog it was the new AOS warhammer quests/new fluff and tzeentch that got him into the hobby again after the sour of the launch. People can change their minds about things or don't share the same opinions people on this board do. Even then before that on the blog he was critical of it before those releases.

Plus hastings and Bob talk about the rumours they have seen in the comment section.

As I've said numerous times, the account is young, unembellished, and it's very easy to spoof being someone on disqus. In fact, if I wanted to, I could pretend to be Frazzled and start pretending I'm him talking about how much I now hate dogs and want instead some goldfish-- and do a more believable job than this, at that. I wouldn't, as I'm not a troll, but it's very possible and very easy to do.

Just let the skeptical people be skeptical. Why does it seem like every time someone is skeptical, the people getting hyped up sound downright offended? Someone else's lack of excitement shouldn't ruin your excitement.

I'm not categorically saying it's not him , only that his dramatic shift in attitude compared to his warseer days is a bit odd. Especially when you consider that he only started being positive on this new site, even if WQ was released a year ago.

You are probably too young (according to your joined date) to have known the 6th edition false rulebook. Some people will do some extreme thing to troll the community

BTW, who's BOB

 streetsamurai wrote:
I'm not categorically saying it's not him , only that his dramatic shift in attitude compared to his warseer days is a bit odd. Especially when you consider that he only started being positive on this new site, even if WQ was released a year ago.

You are probably too young (according to your joined date) to have known the 6th edition false rulebook. Some people will do some extreme thing to troll the community

BTW, who's BOB

Bob works with atia on war of sigmar both of them post on the same blog the early review copies of the new warhammer quest was sent to his place along with atia's stormcast palladors and Aquilor.

He did all the posts on the blog for shadows over hammerhall.

Besides the idea of a new Ultra-Ultramarine being ridiculous I'm not too sussed on the fact that regular SMs won't get as many releases. We already got tons of toys and all of our basic kits have been updated. The only thing they could do is either pull new units out of their ass or make plastic versions of special characters.

And at least it gives Xenos/Chaos players something else to complain about.

Nah, all marines are the same to us.

(that includes you, spiky marines!)

 TheCustomLime wrote:
We already got tons of toys and all of our basic kits have been updated. The only thing they could do is either pull new units out of their ass or make plastic versions of special characters.

Techmarines/Servitors/Thunderfire cannons, characters on jetpacks/bikes, and some of the vehicles could use an updated kit- Dreadnought and predator come to mind.