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I don't normally complain about this, but I literally do not know where the rumors are in this thread.

I'm seeing just pages and pages of wishlisting.

Can we all agree that 8th edition will probably be the biggest shake up of 40k lore and game wise with Roboute being back


since like 3rd edition?

 TedNugent wrote:
I don't normally complain about this, but I literally do not know where the rumors are in this thread.

I'm seeing just pages and pages of wishlisting.

Did you check page 1?

LightKing wrote:
Can we all agree that 8th edition will probably be the biggest shake up of 40k lore and game wise with Roboute being back


since like 3rd edition?

Not until it comes out/is spoiled.
So far, Guilliman has come back and nothing has changed as far as the game is concerned.

Neronoxx wrote:
So far, Guilliman has come back and nothing has changed as far as the game is concerned.

"So far, Nagash has come back and nothing has changed as far as the game is concerned." - WFB players several years ago.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:
So far, Guilliman has come back and nothing has changed as far as the game is concerned.

"So far, Nagash has come back and nothing has changed as far as the game is concerned." - WFB players several years ago.

b-b-b-but this is nothing like end times! g-games workshop said so! this is the new golden age because they added skitarii and released more start sets!

Honestly, I'm getting so much Deja Vu it hurts. The same cries of "they'll never do something this drastic! Wait and see! You whiners need to stop being so cynical!" Low and behold, the reality turned out to be even worse than the most pessimistic predictions.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Besides the idea of a new Ultra-Ultramarine being ridiculous I'm not too sussed on the fact that regular SMs won't get as many releases. We already got tons of toys and all of our basic kits have been updated. The only thing they could do is either pull new units out of their ass or make plastic versions of special characters.

If these are Ultramarine only thing, I'd expect non-UM marine players to be somewhat livid. It would be the wardian wankery made flesh. Now making them a completely separate army would be stupid too. We already have Custodes (and they will be active in 40K) as a new megasuperhuman army.

This is just bloody stupid idea regardless of how exactly they do it, but the path of least resistance would probably be to introduce them as some sort of strange upgrade for existing marines. Then at least all chapters could get them, and it would increase the possibility that existing marine players would actually buy them instead of just saying 'feth this game of soldiers' and ragequitting.

The least cringeworthy method would certainly be purely tech based, so no Guilliman's blood or other bodily fluids would be involved. As Guliimiman's new armour also seems to be a some sort of life support system, perhaps they could be based on that? Wounded marines could be permanently sealed in these new übersuits, making them sort of mini dreadnoughts. (If anyone from GW is reading, if you're not already planning to do it this way, please feel free to steal this idea. It will save you from a lot of nerdrage. )

 Crimson wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Besides the idea of a new Ultra-Ultramarine being ridiculous I'm not too sussed on the fact that regular SMs won't get as many releases. We already got tons of toys and all of our basic kits have been updated. The only thing they could do is either pull new units out of their ass or make plastic versions of special characters.

If these are Ultramarine only thing, I'd expect non-UM marine players to be somewhat livid. It would be the wardian wankery made flesh. Now making them a completely separate army would be stupid too. We already have Custodes (and they will be active in 40K) as a new megasuperhuman army.

This is just bloody stupid idea regardless of how exactly they do it, but the path of least resistance would probably be to introduce them as some sort of strange upgrade for existing marines. Then at least all chapters could get them, and it would increase the possibility that existing marine players would actually buy them instead of just saying 'feth this game of soldiers' and ragequitting.

The least cringeworthy method would certainly be purely tech based, so no Guilliman's blood or other bodily fluids would be involved. As Guliimiman's new armour also seems to be a some sort of life support system, perhaps they could be based on that? Wounded marines could be permanently sealed in these new übersuits, making them sort of mini dreadnoughts. (If anyone from GW is reading, if you're not already planning to do it this way, please feel free to steal this idea. It will save you from a lot of nerdrage. )

Knowing the way Gee Dubs has been doing things lately they'll probably make them a standalone army who has a super special formation that lets you ally them to a regular marine army. Heck, maybe they'll provide buffs to regular marines with how cool and special and super and awesome and superior and elite they are.

Maybe they'll add chapter tactics so you can paint them as UltraSalamanders or UltraImperial Fists.

They'll be so badass their special rule will be "And They Shall Give No Feths". If you take the right squads for their formation the USR "Tabler of All" kicks in and after deployment they auto-win.

Wait that's Eldar..,

Ugh....as much as I hate to admit it, I believe there is actually a precedent to the "ultra-marine". Which is no other than Corvus Corax and his reconstruction program post Isstvaan III. Corax had the Astartes template and had improved upon it, his results were the construction of better Astartes. However, Omegon borked it up and Corax dropped the issue. Yet, Craw must have been charged with either fixing and finishing were Corax started or basically did the same thing and Guilliman was the last piece of the puzzle (or any Primarch really).

This all assumes that my remembered lore is correct and GW is using the same reasoning.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Ugh....as much as I hate to admit it, I believe there is actually a precedent to the "ultra-marine". Which is no other than Corvus Corax and his reconstruction program post Isstvaan III. Corax had the Astartes template and had improved upon it, his results were the construction of better Astartes. However, Omegon borked it up and Corax dropped the issue. Yet, Craw must have been charged with either fixing and finishing were Corax started or basically did the same thing and Guilliman was the last piece of the puzzle (or any Primarch really).

This all assumes that my remembered lore is correct and GW is using the same reasoning.

You are remembering correctly. During the Heresy there were a number of rapid implantation programmes run by different legions to create new troops, such as the World Eaters recruitment planet destroyed by the Iron Hands.

I would bet it is more like Space Marine special forces than Ultra-Ultra Marines, and narratively there is space for development and tension if the new vat grown marines are even more distant from humanity than the 'normal' space marine. Such distant creatures might be completely indifferent to ordinary humans, and where might that path lead them?

Ben2 wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Ugh....as much as I hate to admit it, I believe there is actually a precedent to the "ultra-marine". Which is no other than Corvus Corax and his reconstruction program post Isstvaan III. Corax had the Astartes template and had improved upon it, his results were the construction of better Astartes. However, Omegon borked it up and Corax dropped the issue. Yet, Craw must have been charged with either fixing and finishing were Corax started or basically did the same thing and Guilliman was the last piece of the puzzle (or any Primarch really).

This all assumes that my remembered lore is correct and GW is using the same reasoning.

You are remembering correctly. During the Heresy there were a number of rapid implantation programmes run by different legions to create new troops, such as the World Eaters recruitment planet destroyed by the Iron Hands.

I would bet it is more like Space Marine special forces than Ultra-Ultra Marines, and narratively there is space for development and tension if the new vat grown marines are even more distant from humanity than the 'normal' space marine. Such distant creatures might be completely indifferent to ordinary humans, and where might that path lead them?

Isn't that exactly the Stormcast dilemma?

It's fairly likely we'll have the new super marines as the core 'story army' for where 40k is headed. However, I remember lots of discussion after the first triumvirate, that GW have purposely been creating these Start Collecting! boxes, and these new Gathering Storm heroes, with the purpose of mixing and matching armies easily for new-comers.

I suspect everyone's armies are safe (except those of you part of the soon to be dirty heretic SM traitors), and they will all likely be consolidated into one codex (that's purely hoping on my end). They've been planning this for a while, don't worry your armies are safe.

Really my only concern is the story writing. I hope they don't recycle the HH too much and this doesn't lead to a simple pretend like we're losing but really, just kidding, we're ready to rock you...easily.

Even if I am now pretty sure this will be part of Guilliman attempting to resurrect the legions with mass induction, I secretly wish Guilliman was actually restarting the Thunder Warrior program with new armor and weapons in desperate attempt to build up Imperial forces.

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 BrotherGecko wrote:
Even if I am now pretty sure this will be part of Guilliman attempting to resurrect the legions with mass induction, I secretly wish Guilliman was actually restarting the Thunder Warrior program with new armor and weapons in desperate attempt to build up Imperial forces.

Which doesn't make any sense.. Thunder Warriors weren't *better* Marines, they were short lived weapons designed to do a job then die out. Why would you want unstable engineered soldiers that die out quickly?

In either case, only the Emperor knows the secrets and I'm not sure how Guilliman after like 3 months of study in between going to a dozen different places in the galaxy can do such a thing. This is the same problem that the entire of new Custodes have.. IE each was crafted individually by the Emperor and cannot be replicated. There is a reason why 40k has a backstory that can't be replicated by anyone other than the Emperor but I guess GW could destroy that as well in their rush to make Warhammer 40k: The Comic Book.

Although I'm sure Cawl will figure everything out.

But what is the ultimate goal of all this?

Is the idea that 8th will come out and we will no longer have eleventybillion Space Marine codex? That these new RG Marines will likely be no different rules wise from Marines today but remove some of the bloat?

Or will these literally be the 40k equivilent to Custodes in some fashion and we'll have eleventybillionandone Marine books going into 8th?

They're just a way to push Sigmarites to 40k. I doubt there is a grand plan or much creativity going on here.

 TedNugent wrote:
I don't normally complain about this, but I literally do not know where the rumors are in this thread.

I'm seeing just pages and pages of wishlisting.

Agreed. Wishlisting, and talking about the scale of Space Marines versus the rumored XL Space Marines. I'm locking this thread.

-=Edit to remove the reference to the other thread, which is not at all what I initially thought=-