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LightKing wrote: if nu-marines is a way to get female space marines in the game
would you guys be for it?
No.
Sisters of Battle are, and always have been, a million times more interesting both in terms of background, aesthetic design and attitude than Space Marines.
ehhh
a Space Marine would most likely beat a sister of battle 1 on 1
That isn't relevant at all to who's more interesting...
Then hit the Yellow Triangle of Friendship and ignore the post.
For anyone confused about what's "on topic" for this thread, it's the release date for 8th edition.
Rumormongering about the contents of 8th edition will also be allowed, because it's cool. But no financial reports (there's a thread in Dakka Discussions) and no wishlisting please.
I haven't read the sources, but isn't it more likely that all these fears about "super Marines" are based on the Custodes? After all, Guilliman meets them at the Imperial Palace and tells them to stop sitting on their gold butts (or mostly-nude, as it may be) and go do something. It'd be wholly bizarre for them to make "Super Marines" at all, but especially so when the long-preexisting Super Marines, the Custodes, are finally going to do some fighting.
I can imagine this being the basis for Guilliman at the head of a sort of "Great Crusade Part Two", in the sense that he'll be taking to the stars with a bodyguard of Custodes just as The Emperor once did.
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No, Sad Panda has hinted it's MkX Armour, Hastings is talking about new Marines.
Neither is likely to have confused them with Custodes.
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hmm.... A list that has RG as an HQ with Custodes as his troops. Yeah, I can get behind that. I wonder if they'll figure out a way to make Custodes in a more production line fashion to replace casualties and increase ranks.
Oh god, it finally happened, I use to be with 'it' in 40k, but now I don't have a clue what is going on anymore other then it seems like they are AOS'ing 40k and making the Ultramarines into the Roboutemarines MkII with a great crusade to cash in on the Heresy hype. -Bangs head on key board.
I have to say there is the possibility that 40k is returning to its tongue in cheek roots. How corn ball will it be when the most arrogantly named chapter, the Ultramarines, becomes populated by literal ultra Marines?
So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?
These could turn out to be some nice miniatures. Like Skitarii. Like the Calth, Prospero and Deathwatch plastic kits
"They are invalidating my Space Marine army !11111"
Sure
"GW is pi**ing over the setting"
*Let's raaaaaaaaaaaaaage!!!*
Weird
Is the 21st century digital boy still capable of a reasonable approach to new things? Like balancing a reaction? Giving something new a fair chance to introduce itself and prosper from there on? Like not raging reflexively on the internet. Biting the 'new thing'. Preventing to react like a toddler.
I have not seen photos, have you? If you do, please post them
I'm really interested to see what is coming. Curious. Not scared
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I've been playing since the end of 2nd and the beginning of third edition. I think it is important to note that they change editions regularly every five years or so. For example, in 2001 we had third edition. In 2017 we are going to 8th edition. Some changes were drastic (2nd to 3rd, 3rd to 4th, 5th to 6th, etc).
In the end, the fluff and game is similar. If you love 40k for what it is (hobby, fluff, collecting, etc) then this won't be a major issue. If you love 40k for 7th edition specifically, then yea you should probably look for a new game. Most games are only relevant for 5-10 years, so 40k must evolve to stay relevant and as popular as it had been for so long.
I personally can't wait. If the rumors are correct, 40k will have a small skirmish aspect to it, along with the big large scale game we all love. Hopefully they trash formations and the junk that bloated 40k, ruined balannce, etc.
So far, the storyline advancing has been great (except for abaddons fate... that makes me sad. Maybe he will be resurrected like kharn has been)
I think my concern is not so much that they introduce some shiny new models for a new, elite, force, but that Hastings is already saying that this means that existing chapters will not be getting much of an update, i.e. sidelined.
So if you've spent years building up a force specifically modelled on the aesthetic and lore of a chapter with 10,000 years history all of a sudden there will be nothing for you to build or collect.
If the new super marines was just another option, that would be fine, but it looks like they'll be GWs number one focus, to the exclusion of pretty much everything else (see also number of Stormcast releases versus everything else in AoS).
As far as fluff goes, it just so happens that I've just been reading Deliverance Lost and these new super marines sound suspiciously similar to Corax's Raptors, so there is at least precedent for how to make a better marine, using the genetic template of a Primarch no less.
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
Frozen Ocean wrote: I haven't read the sources, but isn't it more likely that all these fears about "super Marines" are based on the Custodes? After all, Guilliman meets them at the Imperial Palace and tells them to stop sitting on their gold butts (or mostly-nude, as it may be) and go do something. It'd be wholly bizarre for them to make "Super Marines" at all, but especially so when the long-preexisting Super Marines, the Custodes, are finally going to do some fighting.
I can imagine this being the basis for Guilliman at the head of a sort of "Great Crusade Part Two", in the sense that he'll be taking to the stars with a bodyguard of Custodes just as The Emperor once did.
Problem is numbers. Weren't there like max 10,000 of them? Some that were lost in HH and doubtful new can be made without Emperor.
So they would be kinda thin in numbers to lead a new crusade without ability to produce more...
There is one major flaw with the AoS-40k analogy; WHFB wasn't selling well, 40k was. Even old-GW wouldn't see fit to mix up 40k as much as they did Fantasy, and new-GW continues to prove itself remarkably capable of learning from its mistakes. Further, WHFB didn't really have poster boys of the setting; there was no one army/faction that really stood out as being the iconic one of the game and GW obviously wanted AoS to have Stormcast as the poster boys. 40k already has Space Marines as its poster boys and it would be an unprecedented level of stupidity (even considering pre-2016 GW) for them to change that.
NinthMusketeer wrote: There is one major flaw with the AoS-40k analogy; WHFB wasn't selling well, 40k was. Even old-GW wouldn't see fit to mix up 40k as much as they did Fantasy, and new-GW continues to prove itself remarkably capable of learning from its mistakes. Further, WHFB didn't really have poster boys of the setting; there was no one army/faction that really stood out as being the iconic one of the game and GW obviously wanted AoS to have Stormcast as the poster boys. 40k already has Space Marines as its poster boys and it would be an unprecedented level of stupidity (even considering pre-2016 GW) for them to change that.
Top-3 selling game...
And if new marines are unprecedentented level of stupidity then guess prepare to face unprecedented level of stupidity.
NinthMusketeer wrote: There is one major flaw with the AoS-40k analogy; WHFB wasn't selling well, 40k was. Even old-GW wouldn't see fit to mix up 40k as much as they did Fantasy, and new-GW continues to prove itself remarkably capable of learning from its mistakes. Further, WHFB didn't really have poster boys of the setting; there was no one army/faction that really stood out as being the iconic one of the game and GW obviously wanted AoS to have Stormcast as the poster boys. 40k already has Space Marines as its poster boys and it would be an unprecedented level of stupidity (even considering pre-2016 GW) for them to change that.
That's what I've been saying forever. Stormcast are to the Empire what Space Marines are to the Imperial Guard. They already have an iconic super soldier of the holy man-god. To say they're making another one to be like AoS just doesn't even make sense. And Space Marines are their most popular, best selling army ever in their entire history as a company, which begs the question: why change anything?
"People say on their first meeting a Man and an Ork exchanged a long, hard look, didn't care much for what they saw, and shot each other dead."
Warhams-77 wrote: So much hyperbole and unnecessary hysteria lately, it is getting poisonous. Where are the pics of the new models causing such an emotional stress? Where are the facts?
These could turn out to be some nice miniatures. Like Skitarii. Like the Calth, Prospero and Deathwatch plastic kits
"They are invalidating my Space Marine army !11111"
Sure
"GW is pi**ing over the setting"
*Let's raaaaaaaaaaaaaage!!!*
Weird
Is the 21st century digital boy still capable of a reasonable approach to new things? Like balancing a reaction? Giving something new a fair chance to introduce itself and prosper from there on? Like not raging reflexively on the internet. Biting the 'new thing'. Preventing to react like a toddler.
I have not seen photos, have you? If you do, please post them
I'm really interested to see what is coming. Curious. Not scared
Amen.
A slightly bigger kind of Marine being released (because they have basically released every type of conceivable normal Marine already) doesn't mean you are now required to throw everything in the bin because they are now puny weaklings.
They could be awesome miniatures, but they'll still be marines. Not some brand new alien race with an interesting story and cool minis, but instead even more marines in a game already saturated with marines. We don't need more marines.
There’s a difference between having a hobby and being a narcissist.
Joyboozer wrote: They could be awesome miniatures, but they'll still be marines. Not some brand new alien race with an interesting story and cool minis, but instead even more marines in a game already saturated with marines. We don't need more marines.
It would not be the miniatures we need, but the ones we deserve.
I imagine they'll take lots of cues from the INQ28 scene (especially Ironsleet) and make these essentially "True-Scale" marines, on 40mm bases and much taller and better proportioned:
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Bye bye Dakkadakka, happy hobbying! I really enjoyed my time on here. Opinions were always my own :-)
New true scale Astartes (roughly the height of Custodes\Stormcasts or thereabouts) with new Mark "X" armor would be welcome. Current Marine armor hasn't aged very well imo, silly backpacks, weapon that looks AK47'ish etc. Even normal terminators (Indomitus) looks way too small and outdated. Tartaros size is ok'ish i suppose but needs a bit more modern design imo. Vehicles are also in dire need of a design update, more grav based maybe.
Hopefully the new armor will be a mix of normal and terminator armor, bigger, more high-tech, but still agile and a bit ornate. Maybe an updated mix of Custodes/Tartaros/Grey knights.
For those freaking out that the alleged advent of properly scaled Marines will mean the end of the their Marine army...
Consider Orks.
Prior to 3rd Ed, they had a really odd mix of sizes, and were nowhere near as burly. Yet people continue to use them.
Terminators likewise - they got better proportioned to the point they needed get a new base size (though of course, said base was first used for the Ork Warboss). You can still use your vintage Termies.
Rhinos - current is bigger than the original.
In short? Chill, Winston.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Just wait until the first pics get leaked, and we see their all painted gold and are created using the reincarnated souls of dead imperial heros.
And five of them will be able to combine together to create super mega ultra, ultramarine.
I'll not make the same mistake as I did with fantasy and rush out to panic buy stuff, I'll wait for the 50% off firesales from third party stockists. And look at the upside, if I win the euromillions I'll be able to buy GW for a discounted price in a year or too after there player base disappears and sales do a cliff dive.
it's the quiet ones you have to look out for. Their the ones that change the world, the loud ones just take the credit for it.
Just wait until the first pics get leaked, and we see their all painted gold and are created using the reincarnated souls of dead imperial heros.
And five of them will be able to combine together to create super mega ultra, ultramarine.
I'll not make the same mistake as I did with fantasy and rush out to panic buy stuff, I'll wait for the 50% off firesales from third party stockists. And look at the upside, if I win the euromillions I'll be able to buy GW for a discounted price in a year or too after there player base disappears and sales do a cliff dive.
I hope they do, AoS is a far superior game at this point and the closer 40k can get to AoS the better.
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Joyboozer wrote: They could be awesome miniatures, but they'll still be marines. Not some brand new alien race with an interesting story and cool minis, but instead even more marines in a game already saturated with marines. We don't need more marines.
And yet, people love the crap out of Horus Heresy.
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I think it's a great idea to redesign the current Space Marine miniature range. The current design has been there for a while and hasn't aged that well to be honest. It was cool and all back in the 90s but it needs to be brought up to date.
Just wait until the first pics get leaked, and we see their all painted gold and are created using the reincarnated souls of dead imperial heros.
And five of them will be able to combine together to create super mega ultra, ultramarine.
I'll not make the same mistake as I did with fantasy and rush out to panic buy stuff, I'll wait for the 50% off firesales from third party stockists. And look at the upside, if I win the euromillions I'll be able to buy GW for a discounted price in a year or too after there player base disappears and sales do a cliff dive.
I hope they do, AoS is a far superior game at this point and the closer 40k can get to AoS the better.
NO just NO.
Sales of AoS isn't wants keeping the company afloat. If they kill the 40K IP, GW as a business are done.
I find it sad that we are seeing another edition of the game in under two years from the last release, and nobody cares at the speed of the change. When 7th dropped everyone was pissed that there were being made to buy a new edition so soon after 6th. This time around we're all just too worried about the change itself to care about the timing.
it's the quiet ones you have to look out for. Their the ones that change the world, the loud ones just take the credit for it.
