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How is Guilliman's blood supposed to produce anything other than what exactly we already have with Astartes?
If this new ultraastartes proves to be something more than a low ball trolling, I think I will have finally aged out of 40k.
We don't know that Guilliman's blood factors into it at all. All we know is that it involves Cawl and Guilliman working together.
And hopefully its just new armor and bolters. Not just them making Guillstartes.
Amen.
New armours and weapons would be cool. Guillastartes would be lamer than SE
Have them take some inspiration from how the Custodian Armor is, just grants them like Move Through Cover, maybe a Str increase. Stronger Bolters, again like the Custodes, with their Mini-Heavy Bolters.
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Chikout wrote: Hastings has popped up on the war of sigmar blog saying there will be completely new imperial units made by guillemot and Cawl that will include new types of marines and will feature in a new starter set later this year.
Link?
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That's how I see it aswell everyone has a space marine or two. But I do not see a lot being bought just people who bought them a long time ago. Battle of calth people ate up but that was for 30k not 40k.
The last hotness for 40k was what.. Thousand sons and death watch? All of which grew in size and bling?
For GW poster boys of 40k tau and eldar are just better. They will bring back an elite army squat all non ultramarine armies. Give them the name like ultra marines.
The fact that Abby is running too ultramar shows it is the focus. The end of the black crusades. The rebirth of the great crusade to retake the Galaxy like in AoS. Chaos everywhere ultra marines come to save the Galaxy and retake it for the emperor robot Killyman.
The end is now and rebirth of the Galaxy with 6 inch marines with Kung fu grip.
Ok how the hell did spell check make ultrai into ukrain lol.
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Millions of people on welfare depend on me.
ST and Last Chance having a lot to do with it isn't obvious at all - you're not presenting a case so much as making a claim on the internet without support, then backing it up with a claim to qualification (you may well be who you say, but as Internet, you'll forgive me not taking it at face value)
It is obvious, especially in ST case. This was a large scale release that sold so well that they just urgently made another new (repackaged) ST game to ride in its wave.
Still not obvious. Despite the common name, Hammerhal is closer to Quest than Silver Tower was - pre-set Dungeons, need for a dungeon master - Silver Tower had neither of those features.
And that's still not answering why you claim Stormcast Eternals, and one assumes by extension AoS, aren't a large part of GW's recent change in fortunes?
The first part of your post is a bit irrelevant. If ST was a failure, it,s pretty obvious that they wouldn't have rushed a part 2. It being closer to originat WHQ has nothing to do with my argument
As for the second part , well, there is nothing to suggest that it's the case. THe only reliable rumour monger who said something on the subject is Hasting, who said that AOS was not selling well anywhere (granted that was a year ago), and the latest ICV2 top 5 chart who still doen't have AOS in it , even if again, it's a pretty old report (it's worth noting that WHFB was in there, except for the last few years of its existence.). If there is a good indication that SE are selling well, I haven't seen it, and I would greatly appreciate that you share it with me.
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lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Likely pure Geneseed extraction from Guilliman rather than his red stuff.
I've not read many of the spoilers, but do we know what Cawl's Quest of 10,000 years was by the end of the book (yes or no will do, don't want to know what it is!)
Sort of.
Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
Chikout wrote: Hastings has popped up on the war of sigmar blog saying there will be completely new imperial units made by guillemot and Cawl that will include new types of marines and will feature in a new starter set later this year.
75hastings69 wrote:I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )
Without trying to sound like a dick I've known for almost 9 months where this story was going and who revived RG etc. if the rest of what I was told is true (new marines, Mortarion and his plague armies etc.) then there are truly some very exciting times coming for 40k players/hobbyists!
Anon wrote:New marines as in Imperial or Chaos?
75hastings69 wrote:Imperial
*EDIT, there will of course be new Chaos Marines models, but I am referring to a totally new kind of Marine, those created on Mars by Cawl & RG along with the other new machineries of war.
See one of my original posts here....
Anon wrote:I can well imagine some kind of Mk9 marine bred from custodes or grey knight genestock with some new goodness. Perhaps they'll even be true scale! Then we'll all have to buy all our marines all over again.
75hastings69 wrote:New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?
Anon wrote:SO Mark 9 power armour?
75hastings69 wrote:Not only the armour will change
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Except the ICV2 report is fundamentally flawed, on account GW themselves don't contribute towards it....one would think being a professor of business administration, you'd be aware of that.
But. We can extrapolate some of the missing data. GW's reports offer territorial breakdown of earnings, and by the channels in each.
US Trade (which would feature in the ICV2 report) - £11,132,00.
US Retail (which doesn't feature in the ICV2) - £7,044,000
So at best, assuming the ICV2 got data from all 3rd Party US sellers, [i]it only accounts for around 60% or so of GW's sales in North America[\i]. Therefore for any serious business type, it's data is incomplete, and thus of limited if not outright questionable value for that market.
As for Hastings....dude knows his studio stuff, but financials? I'm not exactly persuaded he'd have that info - and it flew in the face of what my GW manager chums were telling me (the advantages of being a former staffer - about 7 years ago now if that's of any relevance).
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Except the ICV2 report is fundamentally flawed, on account GW themselves don't contribute towards it....one would think being a professor of business administration, you'd be aware of that.
But. We can extrapolate some of the missing data. GW's reports offer territorial breakdown of earnings, and by the channels in each.
US Trade (which would feature in the ICV2 report) - £11,132,00.
US Retail (which doesn't feature in the ICV2) - £7,044,000
So at best, assuming the ICV2 got data from all 3rd Party US sellers, [i]it only accounts for around 60% or so of GW's sales in North America[\i]. Therefore for any serious business type, it's data is incomplete, and thus of limited if not outright questionable value for that market.
As for Hastings....dude knows his studio stuff, but financials? I'm not exactly persuaded he'd have that info - and it flew in the face of what my GW manager chums were telling me (the advantages of being a former staffer - about 7 years ago now if that's of any relevance).
I'm perfectly aware of the limitations of the ICV2 chart. No need to be an ass. But it's the best one we have. And while it seem pretty obvious to me, I guess I have to explain to you that if there was a big spike in AOS sales compared to WHFB, it would have shown in ICV2 report, UNLESS you have indication that this spike doesn't apply to the US trade sector (and again, there is nothing to suggest that it's the case).Unless you have some credible facts, this discussion is useless. Your only argument so far has pretty much ''I want it to be true so it is true''.
And let's just say I give more credibility to what Hasting said on the subject than some random internet poster
Chikout wrote: Hastings has popped up on the war of sigmar blog saying there will be completely new imperial units made by guillemot and Cawl that will include new types of marines and will feature in a new starter set later this year.
75hastings69 wrote:I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )
Without trying to sound like a dick I've known for almost 9 months where this story was going and who revived RG etc. if the rest of what I was told is true (new marines, Mortarion and his plague armies etc.) then there are truly some very exciting times coming for 40k players/hobbyists!
Anon wrote:New marines as in Imperial or Chaos?
75hastings69 wrote:Imperial
*EDIT, there will of course be new Chaos Marines models, but I am referring to a totally new kind of Marine, those created on Mars by Cawl & RG along with the other new machineries of war.
See one of my original posts here....
Anon wrote:I can well imagine some kind of Mk9 marine bred from custodes or grey knight genestock with some new goodness. Perhaps they'll even be true scale! Then we'll all have to buy all our marines all over again.
75hastings69 wrote:New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?
Anon wrote:SO Mark 9 power armour?
75hastings69 wrote:Not only the armour will change
It sounds more and more like a complete disaster. :(
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lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
What if Roundtree is far more evil than Kirby and has been engaging in a elaborate Lorgarian plot by which he gains our trust and then betrays us in such a manner that he ascends to daemon hood. Furthermore, he had secretly enlisted the help of the hell-knight Ward who was bitter with being made fun of for the spiritual leige comment. Now he has killed the Emperor and left only Guilliman and all new Astartes that Guilliman is the literal spiritual leige of.
Chikout wrote: Hastings has popped up on the war of sigmar blog saying there will be completely new imperial units made by guillemot and Cawl that will include new types of marines and will feature in a new starter set later this year.
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Chikout wrote: Hastings has popped up on the war of sigmar blog saying there will be completely new imperial units made by guillemot and Cawl that will include new types of marines and will feature in a new starter set later this year.
75hastings69 wrote:I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )
Without trying to sound like a dick I've known for almost 9 months where this story was going and who revived RG etc. if the rest of what I was told is true (new marines, Mortarion and his plague armies etc.) then there are truly some very exciting times coming for 40k players/hobbyists!
Anon wrote:New marines as in Imperial or Chaos?
75hastings69 wrote:Imperial
*EDIT, there will of course be new Chaos Marines models, but I am referring to a totally new kind of Marine, those created on Mars by Cawl & RG along with the other new machineries of war.
See one of my original posts here....
Anon wrote:I can well imagine some kind of Mk9 marine bred from custodes or grey knight genestock with some new goodness. Perhaps they'll even be true scale! Then we'll all have to buy all our marines all over again.
75hastings69 wrote:New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?
Anon wrote:SO Mark 9 power armour?
75hastings69 wrote:Not only the armour will change
It sounds more and more like a complete disaster. :(
Clearly its just an implication that its also new Weapons and Rhinos right? Right?
The first part of your post is a bit irrelevant. If ST was a failure, it,s pretty obvious that they wouldn't have rushed a part 2. It being closer to originat WHQ has nothing to do with my argument
As for the second part , well, there is nothing to suggest that it's the case. THe only reliable rumour monger who said something on the subject is Hasting, who said that AOS was not selling well anywhere (granted that was a year ago), and the latest ICV2 top 5 chart who still doen't have AOS in it , even if again, it's a pretty old report (it's worth noting that WHFB was in there, except for the last few years of its existence.). If there is a good indication that SE are selling well, I haven't seen it, and I would greatly appreciate that you share it with me.
If Stormcasts were a failure why did they increase their available kits for a third time? If investing in molds for ST is a sticking point for you then excluding everything else seems a bit backwards.
Anyway we should shut up on this and i'll avoid going for the last word.
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Guys, there are whole threads in another section of the forum for discussing financial results. Go play there and let us enjoy the sweet, juicy rumours, please?
New Marine kits could be cool. Imagine something done to the quality of Darren Latham's GS Cult minis, detail, posing and proportions-wise. It would be hard to say no to...
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Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
JohnnyHell wrote: I don't even know what "on topic" means anymore...
Neither do GW, evidently.
Honestly the thing I'm most looking forward to is reading people's attempts to argue that this is totes different from End Times because they're not blowing up the existing setting in a literal, everything-actually-exploded sense, just in narrative, thematic, aesthetic, structural and rules senses
UltraUltras made from Magical Rowboat Blood, the Mechanicus is apparently suddenly cool beans with innovation and invention, and we've evidently gone from "It's five minutes to midnight and everyone is fundamentally doomed" to "YEAH BAY-BEE, Great Crusade 2.0 brah! *guitar solo*". But sure, it'll still be 40K, totally
EDIT: But hey, at least one mystery is solved - we know what they brought Ward back to do now
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
In the grim darkness of the future... there is only noblebright. I am quit afear to see what they do to the other factions that are about to get Gullimaned. Necrons become low tech scavengerS? Orks lawyer book worms? Tau sentient warp clouds? The Deathwatch allying with Xenos?
JohnnyHell wrote: I don't even know what "on topic" means anymore...
Neither do GW, evidently.
Honestly the thing I'm most looking forward to is reading people's attempts to argue that this is totes different from End Times because they're not blowing up the existing setting in a literal, everything-actually-exploded sense, just in narrative, thematic, aesthetic, structural and rules senses
UltraUltras made from Magical Rowboat Blood, the Mechanicus is apparently suddenly cool beans with innovation and invention, and we've evidently gone from "It's five minutes to midnight and everyone is fundamentally doomed" to "YEAH BAY-BEE, Great Crusade 2.0 brah! *guitar solo*". But sure, it'll still be 40K, totally
EDIT: But hey, at least one mystery is solved - we know what they brought Ward back to do now
At this point, the only hope is that this thing blow so badly (financially speaking), that they completely retcon it in a few years
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lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
75hastings69 wrote:New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?
Well. I had worries about this plot progression, yet it seems that it will probably be far worse than I had feared.
Depends what he means by that. He could be using them as an example of the size and style difference between the two.
I don't suppose its possible that as Hastings is more of a fantasy guy he's got his wires crossed after seeing/hearing stuff about an expanded Custodes range?
JohnnyHell wrote: I don't even know what "on topic" means anymore...
Neither do GW, evidently.
Honestly the thing I'm most looking forward to is reading people's attempts to argue that this is totes different from End Times because they're not blowing up the existing setting in a literal, everything-actually-exploded sense, just in narrative, thematic, aesthetic, structural and rules senses
UltraUltras made from Magical Rowboat Blood, the Mechanicus is apparently suddenly cool beans with innovation and invention, and we've evidently gone from "It's five minutes to midnight and everyone is fundamentally doomed" to "YEAH BAY-BEE, Great Crusade 2.0 brah! *guitar solo*". But sure, it'll still be 40K, totally
EDIT: But hey, at least one mystery is solved - we know what they brought Ward back to do now
At this point, the only hope is that this thing blow so badly (financially speaking), that they completely retcon it in a few years
Not really. At least it wasn't for the last few decades, That's why the plot was never really advancing, contrary to PP who constantly advanced it with each new book.
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lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
75hastings69 wrote:I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )
Ah, this is where the Xenos will probably come in. Most likely in campaign and starter boxes with the new Imperial units. I imagine getting royally trounced by the new Guillimarines as well.
I am still hoping we'll see some triumvirate action for Orks, Tau, Necrons and Tyranids as well. And since the overarching story mainly concerns Chaos, perhaps they'll see a lil' bit of Tri-love too, before being soundly whipped and sent packing back to the eye.
streetsamurai wrote: Not really. At least it wasn't for the last few decades, That's why the plot was never really advancing, contraly to PP who constantly advanced it with each new book.
yeah and people have reached the point where they want plot progression for 40k
(who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon 
