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Oh gods, not the setting/story thing again... after the financials this is like a Best Of Worst Of Dakka GW Threads thread...

That an absurd argument. Once again, claiming something without having any proof. How come you know that the plot advancement has anything to do with the increase in sales, and not something like Prospero and Calth?


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 JohnnyHell wrote:
Oh gods, not the setting/story thing again... after the financials this is like a Best Of Worst Of Dakka GW Threads thread...

LightKing wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
40k is a setting. Marvel comics are a story. You're cmparing apples to hamburgers


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 Yodhrin wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I don't even know what "on topic" means anymore...

Neither do GW, evidently.

Honestly the thing I'm most looking forward to is reading people's attempts to argue that this is totes different from End Times because they're not blowing up the existing setting in a literal, everything-actually-exploded sense, just in narrative, thematic, aesthetic, structural and rules senses

UltraUltras made from Magical Rowboat Blood, the Mechanicus is apparently suddenly cool beans with innovation and invention, and we've evidently gone from "It's five minutes to midnight and everyone is fundamentally doomed" to "YEAH BAY-BEE, Great Crusade 2.0 brah! *guitar solo*". But sure, it'll still be 40K, totally

EDIT: But hey, at least one mystery is solved - we know what they brought Ward back to do now

At this point, the only hope is that this thing blow so badly (financially speaking), that they completely retcon it in a few years

40k is quite clearly a story as well......

40K was a setting that takes place at the end of a story that was already told. It was the penultimate act of the third film in a trilogy, the last couple of chapters in the last book of the novel series.

Maybe I'm just wierd, but if I read a story all the way to the end and turn the last page to find the author essentially writing "SURPRISE! None of the narrative promises I made will be fulfilled because I want to keep selling you more books, so I'm ignoring 99.99% of my own foreshadowing to M. Night Shamalamadingdong up the place." my first thought would not be "oh cool, that was a satisfying end to this narrative journey".

 Rinkydink wrote:

75hastings69 wrote:I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )

Ah, this is where the Xenos will probably come in. Most likely in campaign and starter boxes with the new Imperial units. I imagine getting royally trounced by the new Guillimarines as well.

I am still hoping we'll see some triumvirate action for Orks, Tau, Necrons and Tyranids as well. And since the overarching story mainly concerns Chaos, perhaps they'll see a lil' bit of Tri-love too, before being soundly whipped and sent packing back to the eye.

People ACTUALLY doubted me when I said that all the xenos are dead and going to be irrelevant soon? I even said he would smash Vect into paste. The true reason I've not been making such fast progress on mt Ta'unar is I have doubts it will be worth finishing if all the xenos get so relegated to the background and so small and far releases that they may as well for all intents and purposes be squatted.

No one wins against RG, NU-marines, and space marines. All the things they put out will just be for the new Space Marine Empire to crush under their heels.

I know hastings has said no squatting will occur of any factions, but they could get SOB'ed. It sounds like that is the eventual long long term plan for the old marine models to slowly over time be phased out as the molds break down ect.

Actually I'd take back the financial times over trolling and caustic arguments that serve no purpose. Or yah no, neither.

So...

Let me get this straight, because this is the way I'm picturing this most recent turn of events.

Background wise we have all the loyalist marines destined for an all out offensive against the traitor marines on some planet, we'll call it Not-Istvaan III. Just as the armies engage, RGs fleet drops out of the warp and destroys the planet taking out almost all remaining loyalist chapters and a great majority of the traitors. RG then proceeds to earth to begin the second great crusade to cleanse the universe with his Not-Sigmarines.

Ruleswise we'll see the collapse of all remaining loyalist chapters so they can be consolidated into a single book. Space Marines replaced with a new mark of power armor to show their changes. The few loyalists who remain will join the last of the remaining 'traitor' legions on the new planet of sorcerers floating outside Fenris.

New boxed set is the lost chapters vs RGs Sigmarines!

Have seen no evidence of Mr. Rowboat creating a new kind of marine.

 Rinkydink wrote:
W40K Robouted.

*claps*

Well done.

 Gamgee wrote:

People ACTUALLY doubted me when I said that all the xenos are dead and going to be irrelevant soon? I even said he would smash Vect into paste. The true reason I've not been making such fast progress on mt Ta'unar is I have doubts it will be worth finishing if all the xenos get so relegated to the background and so small and far releases that they may as well for all intents and purposes be squatted.

No one wins against RG, NU-marines, and space marines. All the things they put out will just be for the new Space Marine Empire to crush under their heels.

I know hastings has said no squatting will occur of any factions, but they could get SOB'ed. It sounds like that is the eventual long long term plan for the old marine models to slowly over time be phased out as the molds break down ect.

I mean he said even Orks were getting models so I fail to see the concern.

All those people who didn't think 40K would be AoS'd are going to look pretty silly if/when the first Gilmarine hits shelves.

 Yodhrin wrote:
40K was a setting that takes place at the end of a story that was already told. It was the penultimate act of the third film in a trilogy, the last couple of chapters in the last book of the novel series.

No, 40K is a setting in which stories are told.

That's why there are books telling stories within the 40K setting, rather than a series of novels/sourcebooks that tell the ongoing and ever-changing story of 40K (ala BattleTech).

 Gamgee wrote:

 Rinkydink wrote:

75hastings69 wrote:I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )

Ah, this is where the Xenos will probably come in. Most likely in campaign and starter boxes with the new Imperial units. I imagine getting royally trounced by the new Guillimarines as well.

I am still hoping we'll see some triumvirate action for Orks, Tau, Necrons and Tyranids as well. And since the overarching story mainly concerns Chaos, perhaps they'll see a lil' bit of Tri-love too, before being soundly whipped and sent packing back to the eye.

People ACTUALLY doubted me when I said that all the xenos are dead and going to be irrelevant soon? I even said he would smash Vect into paste. The true reason I've not been making such fast progress on mt Ta'unar is I have doubts it will be worth finishing if all the xenos get so relegated to the background and so small and far releases that they may as well for all intents and purposes be squatted.

No one wins against RG, NU-marines, and space marines. All the things they put out will just be for the new Space Marine Empire to crush under their heels.

I know hastings has said no squatting will occur of any factions, but they could get SOB'ed. It sounds like that is the eventual long long term plan for the old marine models to slowly over time be phased out as the molds break down ect.

Because you're talking out of your backside.

This thread is going to be pages of people instantly leaping to the worst possible version of what they can imagine and treating it as fact then?

 Melissia wrote:
Have seen no evidence of Mr. Rowboat creating a new kind of marine.

Hastings pretty much said that this is what's happening. New über marines under RG's command which will make the old marines look like weaklings.

Truly, ultra Marines.

 Crimson wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Have seen no evidence of Mr. Rowboat creating a new kind of marine.

Hastings pretty much said that this is what's happening. New über marines under RG's command which will make the old marines look like weaklings.

Link?

This wasn't mentioned in Rise of the Primarch IIRC so this is news to me.

The link and post appear on the page riiiight before this one.

Nu-Marines will probably take the opportunity to include women as well to get rid of that awkward bit of lore.

Y'know, like the Stormcasts 'can' include women but looking at the models you wouldn't know it sort of thing.

I guess Imperial Guard will be sharing the fate of the Sisters of Battle.

 Melissia wrote:

Link?

This wasn't mentioned in Rise of the Primarch IIRC so this is news to me.

Check the previous page of this very thread. Hasting's comments were posted there.

 Melissia wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Have seen no evidence of Mr. Rowboat creating a new kind of marine.

Hastings pretty much said that this is what's happening. New über marines under RG's command which will make the old marines look like weaklings.

Link?

This wasn't mentioned in Rise of the Primarch IIRC so this is news to me.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/720026.page#9243545

I guess we'll see if that ends up being true. A six month old account looks a little fishy to me.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Nu-Marines will probably take the opportunity to include women as well to get rid of that awkward bit of lore.

Y'know, like the Stormcasts 'can' include women but looking at the models you wouldn't know it sort of thing.

I guess Imperial Guard will be sharing the fate of the Sisters of Battle.

Guillstartes, gender inclusive and not wearing fur.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Nu-Marines will probably take the opportunity to include women as well to get rid of that awkward bit of lore.

Y'know, like the Stormcasts 'can' include women but looking at the models you wouldn't know it sort of thing.

I guess Imperial Guard will be sharing the fate of the Sisters of Battle.

Guillstartes, gender inclusive and not wearing fur.

You forgot non-gender conformists... You bigot!

the new marines will proably just be a new mark of power armor, created for a new founding of space marine

 Melissia wrote:
I guess we'll see if that ends up being true. A six month old account looks a little fishy to me.

It's Hastings, ffs. How can you spend as much time around 40K forums and not be aware who it is?

And he's been registered here since 2011.

I'm a newbie to 40k relative to these monoliths of players around here and even I know who hastings is.

 Zewrath wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Nu-Marines will probably take the opportunity to include women as well to get rid of that awkward bit of lore.

Y'know, like the Stormcasts 'can' include women but looking at the models you wouldn't know it sort of thing.

I guess Imperial Guard will be sharing the fate of the Sisters of Battle.

Guillstartes, gender inclusive and not wearing fur.

You forgot non-gender conformists... You bigot!

How could I forget that? I'm so ashamed

 Azreal13 wrote:
And he's been registered here since 2011.

Nope. The account making the comments you linked to was made in September 2016.


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If hastings somehow verifies that that's his account that's different. But Disqus is very easy to spoof the name of someone in, it happens all the time with trolls on the system.

I didn't link to any account, and Hastings has been registered here since 2011, and there are posts here, on this board, from that user, on this subject, today.

Edit, no, my apologies, they've been quoted as such, but were pulled from the disqus account.

Suffice to say, your shade is still needless.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I didn't link to any account, and Hastings has been registered here since 2011, and there are posts here, on this board, from that user, on this subject, today.

Edit, no, my apologies, they've been quoted as such, but were pulled from the disqus account.

Suffice to say, your shade is still needless.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/profile/47343.page

Hastings' Dakka Profile.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I didn't link to any account

... ahem:

This is the Disqus profile for the "Hastings" there. It lists as "Joined Sep 3, 2016"

No avatar, almost no activity, nothing in the profile to prove it's actually the person in question. That's what I was saying.

I'll continue to wait for more reliable info.

40K getting AoS'd is not - IMHO - a bad thing. AoS had a rocky start, but from a game standpoint, it kicks 40K in the balls.

They don't have to go full on end-times, but they need a serious revamp in both story and streamlining.