The Trandoshans in The Clone Wars (with the exception of the junk hauler/smuggler guy) had the Bossk look. The ones in the Republic Commando game were weird lizard abominations.
When something has previously been portrayed a certain way, and then is suddenly portrayed in a different way, then yes, it tends to be jarring unless some explanation is provided for the change.
We can't really see the faces in that pic (I suspect this is intentional), but if we assume that they're reptilian-looking (eyes being added by CGI in post?), the biggest 'something' will be forearm length. Because otherwise they're scaly, skull-crested and barefoot, with a skin hue that I *think* has been seen before.
So it's interesting to me that some people may not be able to reconcile that one aspect without assistance. Especially given that the Trandosians are a small area of the IP that haven't been explored in great depth.
We can see the profile, and hitherto Trandoshans have possessed a snout. These do not appear to have snouts.
Skin tone, physical size, even proportion, and many other things can be explained, in fact don't need to be explained, by ethnicity, gender or general genetic variance.
Lacking a physical feature that on real world Earth would get them categorised as a different species either needs addressing or means they're not Trandoshans.
Or that no one feels compelled to keep using obviously fake makeup for their aliens because it's not 1980 anymore.
Seriously, it's been 40 years. Is this really the kind of detail that matters? I ask that question already knowing the answer and remembering why I hate fandom, but still. I care far more about good stories than the cheap rubber arms the man in the suit happens to be wearing it it baffles me that these are the things people choose to be concerned with.
LordofHats wrote: Or that no one feels compelled to keep using obviously fake makeup for their aliens because it's not 1980 anymore.
Seriously, it's been 40 years. Is this really the kind of detail that matters? I ask that question already knowing the answer and remembering why I hate fandom, but still. I care far more about good stories than the cheap rubber arms the man in the suit happens to be wearing it it baffles me that these are the things people choose to be concerned with.
"A rose by any other name" works in reverse. You can't make something that looks different from how it's supposed to, call it a name and then have people not scratch their heads collectively and say "but that's not what they look like."
LordofHats wrote: Or that no one feels compelled to keep using obviously fake makeup for their aliens because it's not 1980 anymore.
Seriously, it's been 40 years. Is this really the kind of detail that matters? I ask that question already knowing the answer and remembering why I hate fandom, but still. I care far more about good stories than the cheap rubber arms the man in the suit happens to be wearing it it baffles me that these are the things people choose to be concerned with.
It 'baffles you' that in a visual medium, people prefer it when the visuals are right? Or are you just being disingenuous for effect, here?
Updating a look with modern techniques is fine. Doctor Who has done a pretty good job of this over the years, updating old designs while staying true to the original, or changing things in a way that makes sense in the setting. Star Trek has generally done a worse job of it, with changes for the sake of change that have tended to go over badly with fans. A good redesign should keep the visual cues from the original, because those visual cues are how we recognise what they are supposed to be.
When an alien species gets a comprehensive redesign for no discernible purpose (and it's not just the forearms - as others have pointed out, the faces and the feet also look completely wrong) it's immersion-breaking. You may not find that a problem, and if so that's good for you. And at the end of the day, it's (for me, at least) far less of a concern than whether or not the story is good. It's certainly not as large an issue as, say, Yoda apparently being a completely different species in Episode 1, since he was actually an important part of the story rather than what has been until now just a background alien species. But it is irritating when things like this are inexplicably changed, because it doesn't look 'right'.
It 'baffles you' that in a visual medium, people prefer it when the visuals are right? Or are you just being disingenuous for effect, here?
I think there's a very wide void between "right" and "exactly the same," the latter of which seems to be the only thing anyone cares about. I looked at that screenshot and immediately though Trandoshian (if only because, unless they're a completely new race Trandoshian is the only thing they can be). I'm not going to quibble over tiny insignificant details of a cheap costume from forever ago like how pronounced the nose bridge is or the feet not being giant rubber booties.
About as petty as all the butt hurt about the Klingon redesign from ItD. That was a decent enough redesign. The Klingon's were still discernably Klingon, even though they looked quite different. If we're talking about STD style "and now they look completely different" then there might be a point, but claiming this redesign (if it is a redesign) is some unconnectable departure from the only Trandoshian to have ever been on screen is just petty. It's not that different. You could write off the distinctions as "we lost the rubber suit and didn't feel like making more of them" or "these are Southern Trandoshians and they look different" but is that really the content we want to waste storytelling time on? Just call them Space Lizards and lets get on with things that matter.
There's obviously a degree of subjectivity here, but I struggle to see this as anymore more than fandom at its obsessive pettiest.
It 'baffles you' that in a visual medium, people prefer it when the visuals are right? Or are you just being disingenuous for effect, here?
I think there's a very wide void between "right" and "exactly the same," the latter of which seems to be the only thing anyone cares about.
I think you'll find if they looked right, nobody would care if they weren't exactly the same. The issue here is wrong Trandoshans.
I looked at that screenshot and immediately though Trandoshian (if only because, unless they're a completely new race Trandoshian is the only thing they can be). I'm not going to quibble over tiny insignificant details of a cheap costume from forever ago like how pronounced the nose bridge is or the feet not being giant rubber booties.
Firstly, there's no 'I' in Trandoshan. But then, if you looked at that image, knowing it was from a Star Wars product, and thought "those must be Trandoshans" then it isn't surprising you didn't know that. There's at least two alien species from the opening act of ROTJ they could be without anything like as radical a redesign as they'd need to have had to be Trandoshan.
About as petty as all the butt hurt about the Klingon redesign from ItD. That was a decent enough redesign. The Klingon's were still discernably Klingon, even though they looked quite different. If we're talking about STD style "and now they look completely different" then there might be a point, but claiming this redesign (if it is a redesign) is some unconnectable departure from the only Trandoshian to have ever been on screen is just petty. It's not that different. You could write off the distinctions as "we lost the rubber suit and didn't feel like making more of them" or "these are Southern Trandoshians and they look different" but is that really the content we want to waste storytelling time on? Just call them Space Lizards and lets get on with things that matter.
There's obviously a degree of subjectivity here, but I struggle to see this as anymore more than fandom at its obsessive pettiest.
You're right, the new Klingions looked like Klingions, because while they were radically overhauled, they also hit certain defining design cues. These don't.
But perhaps lay off the condescending attitude about fandom, given where you are, why it's here and what you're doing?
Gitzbitah wrote: So- in a triumph of doublethink, fans will be confused because the Mandalorian looks too much like Boba Fett.
They will also be confused because the trandoshans do not look enough like Bossk, the trandoshan.
The thing needs to be more different, while being more the same.
It's like video game sequels. People bitch and moan about getting the exact same skin with new graphics in the same breath they decry the franchise as dead because some mechanic got redesigned or removed.
radical a redesign as they'd need to have had to be Trandoshan.
If it's a redesign there's nothing radical about it. That's subjective, but I don't see the difference other than a few extra decades of better tech making them look less cartoony.
You're right, the new Klingions looked like Klingions, because while they were radically overhauled, they also hit certain defining design cues. These don't.
I don't think you can have defining design ques from the handful of instances (most of which are Bossk who far all we know is some freakishly deformed mutant now) that actually exist.
And I will condescend about fandom when fandom deserves it. Lots of the time, it's a wonderful and fun thing. Then there's that 1% where it just becomes absolutely petty and childish and deserves to be called such.
Gitzbitah wrote: So- in a triumph of doublethink, fans will be confused because the Mandalorian looks too much like Boba Fett.
They will also be confused because the trandoshans do not look enough like Bossk, the trandoshan.
The thing needs to be more different, while being more the same.
I think you might be conflating different arguments from different people, here.
The thing is, details matter. The titular Mandalorian is clearly recognisable as a Mandalorian because he's wearing Mandalorian-styled armour. He's recognisably not Boba Fett, because his armour is different to Boba Fett's, and because he doesn't look anything like the guy that Boba is cloned from.
These lizard guys aren't recognisably Trandoshan. They appear to have scales, and ridges on their heads, but the faces, arms and feet are all different to what we have seen before for Trandoshans. It won't be particularly 'confusing', since they've helpfully told us that they're Trandoshans, but it does leave people wondering why they don't look like Trandoshans.
You're right, the new Klingions looked like Klingions, ...
I would disagree there. One of the things I found the most amusing about Discovery was the fact that the character that looked the most like a Klingon was the Klingon disguised as a human...
insaniak wrote: It won't be particularly 'confusing', since they've helpfully told us that they're Trandoshans, but it does leave people wondering why they don't look like Trandoshans.
I think you overestimate how many people have ever even heard the name before. Asking "what race is Bossk" is more often than not probably going to be answered by "who is Bossk?" It's hard to be confused by something you don't know, and I think you need to be pretty deep into Star Wars to know who Bossk is or that he has a race of others who might look like him. It's getting really fringe even by EU standards.
Seriously Bossk showed up a few times in Clone Wars, but I don't even think they used his name in those episodes. There's a super fat Trandoshan in the series too, but I bet no one knew he was one because when I say super fat, I mean super fat. He looks like a generic fat alien, not Bossk's fat cousin. Cut out a few games and an episode of Rebels, and I can't think of many other appearances they've made outside the comics, and the comics are probably the least well known Star Wars products.
I would disagree there. One of the things I found the most amusing about Discovery was the fact that the character that looked the most like a Klingon was the Klingon disguised as a human...
I wouldn't disagree with the Klingon design of STD. They look completely different and look more like the Na'kuhl (or those guys from Beyond) than Klingons.
I mean the redesign from Into Darkness, which was different but still discernably Klingon, and that was a more radical redesign than what we're talking about here.
I think you overestimate how many people have ever even heard the name before.
I don't think I do. I absolutely agree that the vast majority of people aren't going to have the faintest idea what a Trandoshan is, or whether or not these guys look like one. That's not a reason to not stick to the established look. If the issue was simply that they didn't want to go with something that looked more like a 'traditional' Trandoshan, they could just as easily made them not Trandoshans.
insaniak wrote: That's not a reason to not stick to the established look.
I just don't see these big differences.
I took one look at them and the most significant difference I noticed is that they're red and their heads have a more human shape (still have the head frills and the flared nostrals though). Most Trandoshans I can think of are yellow/green/gray. I think there were some brown ones in Republic Commando? Either way, They're still not wearing shoes or gloves, and apparently, retain their fondness for stick fights in space (though that just might be the one comic I'm thinking of).
If the issue was simply that they didn't want to go with something that looked more like a 'traditional' Trandoshan, they could just as easily made them not Trandoshans.
They could, but farming nostalgia and then getting confused when fans rage about it is basically the Star Wars bread and butter now
Sure, so you said. That doesn't mean they're not there, or that they won't be more obvious to some of us.
I don't think it's a question of obviousness as much as subjective value.
I think this squarely falls into the realm of something only repeat viewers will ever care to notice or think much about, and most of the audience isn't obsessive like that. Kind of really begs the question, "does it matter" to which I feel the answer is a very firm "mostly likely not."
I don't see anyone raging. In the grand scheme of things, it's simply not that big a deal. It's just a weird detail.
I mean in a more general sense. Remake A New Hope? People complain that the film is just a rehash of a New Hope. Put Ackbar in a movie again? People complain that he died too cheaply. I feel like it's become a theme where Disney tries to shoe references into the films (similar to what they do in the MCU), but they either mess it up, misjudge how fans will respond, or fans complain. I think the only one of their movies to really get praise for it's mountain of clever references is Rogue One, and some of those references were so obscure/blink and you'll miss they even flew over dedicated fans' heads. This feels kind of like the same thing. Bossk and Boba had a rivalry in the old EU, so it makes sense we'd see "Not Bossk" in "Not Boba's" TV show. Or maybe someone on the crew just really likes lizardmen *shrug*
I always giggle when people try that kind of argument.
"They tried to appeal to fans, but their execution was bad, and fans reacted badly! Man, those people are just unpleasable, there are no other possible ways to interpret this sequence of events."
Yodhrin wrote: I always giggle when people try that kind of argument.
I think you're misreading my meaning.
Even you can't deny there are times where fans behave like unpleasable children. I think Disney though has made numerous missteps (TLJ being one huge shot that missed the barn). The SW fandom is different from the Marvel fandom. I think they assumed what worked for one would work for the other, which is kind of a critical research failure cause anyone can look back on Lucas' closing years and see some of the differences. I don't think that's just down to fans. Marvel has so many retcons fans are fairly accustomed to "it's different now" because that's the history of Marvel. SW had an entire apparatus for producing "one true canon" established. It's much trickier to navigate.
Yodhrin wrote: I always giggle when people try that kind of argument.
I think you're misreading my meaning.
Even you can't deny there are times where fans behave like unpleasable children. I think Disney though has made numerous missteps (TLJ being one huge shot that missed the barn). The SW fandom is different from the Marvel fandom. I think they assumed what worked for one would work for the other, which is kind of a critical research failure cause anyone can look back on Lucas' closing years and see some of the differences. I don't think that's just down to fans. Marvel has so many retcons fans are fairly accustomed to "it's different now" because that's the history of Marvel. SW had an entire apparatus for producing "one true canon" established. It's much trickier to navigate.
I can't deny that. I do assert, firmly, that it happens nowhere near as often as the performatively disinterested pretend it does, and is often blown wildly out of proportion when it does.
And while I agree that they've made mistakes, I don't know that it's about "canon" per se, or some particular militant adherence to it among Star Wars fans - afterall, I'd wager the people most likely to be annoyed by stuff like the Not Trandoshans have a pretty high degree of crossover with the people who were big consumers of what was the EU - so much as it is the "How do you do, Fellow Kids" effect. By which I mean, fans are less concerned about not being pandered to, than they are about companies claiming or attempting to pander to them when they're really doing nothing of the kind or just don't care enough to do it properly.
TBH I really am hoping they're either planning to CGI on the "missing" bits, or they're not "proper" Trandoshans(some kind of offshoot or subspecies?), because Filoni & Favreau are supposed to be more in the One Of Us category than the Fellow Kidders, and it'd be a shame either to find out that's just marketing, or for their efforts to have been cut off at the knees for some behind the scenes reason.
Even you can't deny there are times where fans behave like unpleasable children. I think Disney though has made numerous missteps (TLJ being one huge shot that missed the barn). The SW fandom is different from the Marvel fandom. I think they assumed what worked for one would work for the other, which is kind of a critical research failure cause anyone can look back on Lucas' closing years and see some of the differences. I don't think that's just down to fans. Marvel has so many retcons fans are fairly accustomed to "it's different now" because that's the history of Marvel. SW had an entire apparatus for producing "one true canon" established. It's much trickier to navigate.
How does your boxing of 'fandoms' work for those of us who are fans of both?
I love the MCU movies. I have zero issues with any of the changes made to characters in translating them from comic to movie screen. The thing is, that's an entirely different issue.
My issue with the Trandoshans looking wrong here is far less akin to, say, MCU Peter Parker being Tony Stark's apprentice as it is to the guy in the Warmachine suit being a different guy from one movie to the next. It doesn't really make a difference to the story, but it's an immersion-breaking detail for those of us for whom those details jump out.
It's not about disliking change. It's about internal consistency. Because internal consistency is what makes a made-up universe 'work'.
Yodhrin wrote: I always giggle when people try that kind of argument.
I think you're misreading my meaning.
Even you can't deny there are times where fans behave like unpleasable children. I think Disney though has made numerous missteps (TLJ being one huge shot that missed the barn). The SW fandom is different from the Marvel fandom. I think they assumed what worked for one would work for the other,
I don't think either of those is true. i think they just got crappy directors for the new SW trilogy, let them be writers as well, and didn't stomp on them when they were being stupid.
This is a super low effort fail. I mean, just don't call them Trandoshans if you're not willing to use the accurate makeup, no effort required. Giving us something that isn't a Trandoshan and doesn't need to be called a Trandoshan, and then insisting anyway that it is indeed a Trandoshan...why?
PS: How do you pronounce "Trandoshan"? Do you put the emphasis on the first or second syllable? TRAN-do-shan or tran-DO-shan?
PPS: For meme's sake, can someone sharpie some snouts onto those bad boys?
They shoulda just made them into Barabel or something. They don't look that bad to me but their faces are a bit too flat for a Trandoshan if you ask me.
PS: How do you pronounce "Trandoshan"? Do you put the emphasis on the first or second syllable? TRAN-do-shan or tran-DO-shan?
I've always said it like "tran-dough-shen." Actually, has the name ever been said aloud in any official media? It had to be said at least once in Republic Commando but I can't remember how they pronounced it.
PS: How do you pronounce "Trandoshan"? Do you put the emphasis on the first or second syllable? TRAN-do-shan or tran-DO-shan?
I've always said it like "tran-dough-shen." Actually, has the name ever been said aloud in any official media? It had to be said at least once in Republic Commando but I can't remember how they pronounced it.
I'm about 90% sure that it was pronounced the way you just wrote it there. but they didn't emphasize the first and last syllables so it ended up being closer to "tren-dough-shen" rather than "tran-dough-shan"
My only experience with the term was in republic commando which was my first PCFPS and I played it probably 10 times over. Didn't realize Bosk was one of them until this thread.
I looked at the still image and thought "Trandoshan". Until this thread, I'd never noticed that the Bossk suit has long arms to cover up the actor's hands, as I've never really looked at the extras (which is what all those bounty hunters are except Boba Fett) in that scene.
Personally, I've always put the emphasis on the first syllable, although I think I've heard it somewhere official done the other way.
Good trailer. I would have preferred if they kept him as a silent protagonist though for the whole trailer (but definitely not the actual series) instead of the single line at the end. YMMV.
warboss wrote: Good trailer. I would have preferred if they kept him as a silent protagonist though for the whole trailer (but definitely not the actual series) instead of the single line at the end. YMMV.
Thats how memes are born.
Wasn’t planning on getting another streaming service, but this is tempting me.
Well, you better hope it's good and that the shows keep being good, because the chances of the films being turned around has nosedived; Benioff & Weiss are out, citing the time commitment to their Netflix deal(the movie industry equivalent of "spending more time with their family"). While there's still nothing official about it, the fact Captain Subversion hasn't been publicly defenestrated yet while B&W have makes me worry Kennedy actually is intent on doubling down on him.
Man, I really hoped that Feige coming on board meant the current crop of brain-geniuses and their hirelings were getting sidelined.
Honestly I saw some things in that trailer I did not like. Noticeably 1:30 which is the marvel over the top iron man type action stuff that has become more common in recent star wars media. I like the OT for its restraint. A lot of folks would write that up as to them being limited by technology and budget. But for me the more grounded and weighted action feels better.
Also not sure I like how cold, digitial and CGI it feels. I still like some film grain and warm to star wars. A lot of this looks like cosplay or somehow fan made like it's less cinematic and I feel like it has to do with how it was shot with the lighting and sets. The way the outfits look on the characters in front of the backdrops. What it almost reminds me of is the hobbit movies that were at 48 fps.
I feel like they need an auteur and not some marvel hacks to make a star wars film, free of everything else that came before it. Kind of like how star wars knights of the old republic felt like star wars...but felt older somehow, technology wise. It had it's own separate feeling and style. I could see any potential directors being put off by the kind of control disney would have over their creative freedom. I know I wouldn't want to be leered over like that when i'm trying to work.
Thargrim wrote: I feel like they need an auteur and not some marvel hacks...
Marvel hacks?
Hah. And it's a Firestick Peperami-hot take given that the "Marvel hacks" have been broadly producing solid, audience-pleasing fare while the attempt to involve an "auteur" in Star Wars and give them a lot of creative control led to a film that could charitably be described as "divisive".
Everything in the trailer looks pretty damn cool to me. It'll be interesting to see what other characters will feature alongside him. Does the woman end up being a partner in crime? I thought she was cool as her character in Deadpool, and Star Wars armor and a repeating blaster will make that even better.
Yodhrin wrote: Hah. And it's a Firestick Peperami-hot take given that the "Marvel hacks" have been broadly producing solid, audience-pleasing fare while the attempt to involve an "auteur" in Star Wars and give them a lot of creative control led to a film that could charitably be described as "divisive".
I just find the idea that someone could call Taika Waititi, an obscure indie director who has made some very funny and interesting films, and who is both in and directing episodes of The Mandalorian, could ever be described as a 'hack'.
Still looking good, and seems like a SW animation series in spirit just with live action. I suppose we'll all be cashing in our pensions by the time the first season is on DVD...
...speaking of which, I saw the first episode of Resistance and rather enjoyed it, but wondered what the rest of the series was like?
As said before, disappointed the UK has to wait, but in theory that means I may be spared an episodic release, and can just blag a day off to binge the whole thing!
In a profile of the streaming service, The New York Times revealed that a “dramatic Star Wars-universe spoiler” will happen in the series opener:
“The Mandalorian, which contains a dramatic Star Wars-universe spoiler in the first episode and will be available the moment Disney Plus starts, has been as heavily promoted as a traditional feature film, with billboards, 30-second television commercials, radio spots, and digital ads.”
● Maybe that might explain the next news, then: in order to keep “any surprises and plot twists” from being spoiled, advance screeners will not be made available before the series premiere. Translation? Sites like Bleeding Cool won’t be able to give you a “yay” or “nay” about the series until it drops – which we’re guessing is also a pretty good way to avoid any potential pre-premiere critical reviews that could hurt launch day traction.
Asking for a friend…
We also have some new character profile key art for the series:
If memory serves, Jango merely grew up on Concord Dawn, a Mandalorian planet. But he was an orphan or something, and not actually Mandalorian by birth nor blood.
So I am undoubtedly going to like this show as Boba Fett was always my favorite growing up, and this new character is basically Boba2.0.
But the adult in me still can't get past the fact that he's basically Boba2.0. Like, WHY? Why not just make him Boba Fett that survived the Sarlacc? Or make him a different character that ISN'T just a reskinned Fett, even down to the pronged rifle from Boba's debut in the SW Xmas special?
I'm sure they will do a good job with the story, but in the back of my mind, there will always be those questions distracting me for what otherwise could be a cool experience
Galef wrote: So I am undoubtedly going to like this show as Boba Fett was always my favorite growing up, and this new character is basically Boba2.0.
But the adult in me still can't get past the fact that he's basically Boba2.0. Like, WHY?
Why not just make him Boba Fett that survived the Sarlacc?
Or make him a different character that ISN'T just a reskinned Fett, even down to the pronged rifle from Boba's debut in the SW Xmas special?
I'm sure they will do a good job with the story, but in the back of my mind, there will always be those questions distracting me for what otherwise could be a cool experience
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They want to capitalize on the popularity of Fett without having all the baggage of actually using Fett. Wise approach in my opinion, as it does open up their story options while still interesting anyone that was into the original Fett.
ikeulhu wrote: They want to capitalize on the popularity of Fett without having all the baggage of actually using Fett. Wise approach in my opinion, as it does open up their story options while still interesting anyone that was into the original Fett.
I don't disagree, I just don't think Boba Fett has "baggage" that can't really be swept under.
IMO, the only "legit" reason not to have is be Fett is that you'd have to always keep his helmet on and not have him speak much if you can't get the Jango Fett actor involved.
I guess it also opens him up to not be that age, but I can't help but think of this new character as a cheap imitation of Fett, which is sad because he's shaping up to be 10X better than actual Fett
Boba would have been better served by the young Boba series they had been planning anyways, I'm glad this will be a new character. Star Wars is such an expansive universe that it honestly feels weird seeing the same names again and again and again and again. I'm 100% on board with whole new places and whole new names that only have small connections to what we know. I'd rather have easter eggs than giant in-your-face name drops. It was one of the things I enjoyed most about Rogue One, in fact
Agreed. I thought Solo was good solid fun and I enjoyed The Cameo having previously watched TCW and Rebels...but a Disney+ show about Tobias Beckett and his ragtag crew of scoundrels trying to put one over on the big criminal syndicates with little or no involvement of "big names", or something along those lines, would have been even better.
I'm hoping that's basically what we'll get with The Mandalorian, and that they'll keep the Sequel stuff to a minimum - I want loads of petty pseudo-Empires and rogue warlords and crooks and scum, not First Order: The Early Years.
If they just made him Fett post-sarlaac, they would have to weather the constant complaints about why they aren't following all the fluff he had in the EU. It would just be neverending whinging by Fett fans about comparing the Mandalorian to all Fett's EU stuff.
Yodhrin wrote: Agreed. I thought Solo was good solid fun and I enjoyed The Cameo having previously watched TCW and Rebels...but a Disney+ show about Tobias Beckett and his ragtag crew of scoundrels trying to put one over on the big criminal syndicates with little or no involvement of "big names", or something along those lines, would have been even better.
I'm hoping that's basically what we'll get with The Mandalorian, and that they'll keep the Sequel stuff to a minimum - I want loads of petty pseudo-Empires and rogue warlords and crooks and scum, not First Order: The Early Years.
I really hope we get more about Crimson Dawn too.
And whilst I too enjoyed Solo, again in total agreement it could've worked better as a Disney+ series. Whilst I liked what I saw, I felt two hours just wasn't enough to introduce us to a whole new aspect of the Star Wars universe.
Yodhrin wrote: Agreed. I thought Solo was good solid fun and I enjoyed The Cameo having previously watched TCW and Rebels...but a Disney+ show about Tobias Beckett and his ragtag crew of scoundrels trying to put one over on the big criminal syndicates with little or no involvement of "big names", or something along those lines, would have been even better.
I'm hoping that's basically what we'll get with The Mandalorian, and that they'll keep the Sequel stuff to a minimum - I want loads of petty pseudo-Empires and rogue warlords and crooks and scum, not First Order: The Early Years.
I really hope we get more about Crimson Dawn too.
And whilst I too enjoyed Solo, again in total agreement it could've worked better as a Disney+ series. Whilst I liked what I saw, I felt two hours just wasn't enough to introduce us to a whole new aspect of the Star Wars universe.
Initailly, I thought it would be cool to have a non-Saga trilogy of sorts that involved Han and his adventures pre-New Hope and each move had cameos from Boba and/or Obi-wan.
But now I think everything is going to Disney+, I doubt we'll get movie-theatre style movie to continue that story thread
Galef wrote: I don't disagree, I just don't think Boba Fett has "baggage" that can't really be swept under.
IMO, the only "legit" reason not to have is be Fett is that you'd have to always keep his helmet on and not have him speak much if you can't get the Jango Fett actor involved.
I guess it also opens him up to not be that age, but I can't help but think of this new character as a cheap imitation of Fett, which is sad because he's shaping up to be 10X better than actual Fett
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I had some similar feelings myself earlier on, but the more I think about it I am leaning towards the idea that we may be getting the Fett we never knew we wanted instead of the Fett we thought we needed.
Yodhrin wrote: I'm hoping that's basically what we'll get with The Mandalorian, and that they'll keep the Sequel stuff to a minimum - I want loads of petty pseudo-Empires and rogue warlords and crooks and scum, not First Order: The Early Years.
I hope we see something FO related, even if it's minor or just hinted at. Depending on exactly where in the timeline it's set a secretive cabal of Imperial fanatics hiding out in Wild Space could make for a tense two-parter or something.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: And whilst I too enjoyed Solo, again in total agreement it could've worked better as a Disney+ series. Whilst I liked what I saw, I felt two hours just wasn't enough to introduce us to a whole new aspect of the Star Wars universe.
I want to live in the universe where Solo somehow ended up being the rocky theatrical pilot to a beloved TV series. We all need more Glover-Lando in our lives.
Galef wrote: I don't disagree, I just don't think Boba Fett has "baggage" that can't really be swept under.
IMO, the only "legit" reason not to have is be Fett is that you'd have to always keep his helmet on and not have him speak much if you can't get the Jango Fett actor involved.
I guess it also opens him up to not be that age, but I can't help but think of this new character as a cheap imitation of Fett, which is sad because he's shaping up to be 10X better than actual Fett
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I had some similar feelings myself earlier on, but the more I think about it I am leaning towards the idea that we may be getting the Fett we never knew we wanted instead of the Fett we thought we needed.
True. And the Mandalorian being so similar to the original concept of Boba Fett shows that they may have "gone back to basics" to build on what made the Fetts so cool in the first place, before they were just "one and done" baddies of the week
Boba Fett has about 6 minutes screen time and only four or five lines in the movies. I'm not surprised they went with a different direction instead of using him and having to explain his 'death' in RotJ. Now they can expand on something bigger than one guy as well as going into how Boba and Jango got Mando armor when they weren't Mandolarians. There are more story possibilities this way.
Yeah, Mandalorians are cool, but Boba just has too much baggage by this point.
I don't know how much the new continuity has expanded on Boba's story outside of the movies and Clone Wars cartoon... but I'd still really like to see them use his actual exploits as a basis to turn him into a colossal fraud. He has this reputation as the galaxy's number one badass, but actually constantly screws up and manages to hang onto his reputation through luck and tenacity.
Meanwhile, using a different Mandalorian for this series' badass lets them actually develop an interesting character without trying to recast a younger version of Tamuera Morrison.
i don't know, I like him as he's actually presented in the original films: he's one of many bounty hunters willing to work for the Empire, and doesn't even really stand out in the line up.
He's just this guy, you know?
That the fanbase went inexplicably nuts about a non-entity and the EU writers wrote masturbatory fanfics about the guy is rather irrelevant.
insaniak wrote: Yeah, Mandalorians are cool, but Boba just has too much baggage by this point.
I don't know how much the new continuity has expanded on Boba's story outside of the movies and Clone Wars cartoon... but I'd still really like to see them use his actual exploits as a basis to turn him into a colossal fraud. He has this reputation as the galaxy's number one badass, but actually constantly screws up and manages to hang onto his reputation through luck and tenacity.
Meanwhile, using a different Mandalorian for this series' badass lets them actually develop an interesting character without trying to recast a younger version of Tamuera Morrison.
Bobba Fett is starwars inspector gadget.
He has a lot of tech that seamingly goes off at random while he bumbles his way into failing upwards and takes credit for how luck and circumstance had things work out for him.
Galef wrote: Initailly, I thought it would be cool to have a non-Saga trilogy of sorts that involved Han and his adventures pre-New Hope and each move had cameos from Boba and/or Obi-wan.
Unfortunately Solo makes that impossible, as all the biggest events in Han's life (meeting Chewie, becoming a smuggler, meeting Lando, doing the Kessel Run and getting the Falcon) all happened over the space of about a week or so, so... what's left to show other than things that we don't know him for?
Galef wrote: Initailly, I thought it would be cool to have a non-Saga trilogy of sorts that involved Han and his adventures pre-New Hope and each move had cameos from Boba and/or Obi-wan.
Unfortunately Solo makes that impossible, as all the biggest events in Han's life (meeting Chewie, becoming a smuggler, meeting Lando, doing the Kessel Run and getting the Falcon) all happened over the space of about a week or so, so... what's left to show other than things that we don't know him for?
His whole adventure with Jabba and Boba Fett could be a story to explore. I mean they based a whole movie around a single line of the original crawl about stealing the DS plans, why not a movie about why Han owes Jabba?
You could even include the Crimson Dawn with more Maul.
But even though I think there is something there to explore and that they tried to set that up in Solo, given Solo's performance and Disney moving so heavy with Disney+, I doubt that will happen now. UNLESS it's done as an exclusive Disney+ release.
H.B.M.C. wrote: what's left to show other than things that we don't know him for?
Off the top of my head:
The job Han bailed on for fear of getting boarded, whatever job Han did for Jabba to make the ruthless Hutt willing to give Han time to pay him back for said botch job (even going so far as to say 'you're the best' in the special edition), Han meeting Boba Fett and establishing whatever their emnity is, the Battle of Tenab...
H.B.M.C. wrote: what's left to show other than things that we don't know him for?
Off the top of my head:
The job Han bailed on for fear of getting boarded, whatever job Han did for Jabba to make the ruthless Hutt willing to give Han time to pay him back for said botch job (even going so far as to say 'you're the best' in the special edition), Han meeting Boba Fett and establishing whatever their emnity is, the Battle of Tenab...
Indeed. There's still ten years between the end of Solo and the start of ANH. Plenty of time for some good, old fashioned smuggling shenanigans.
Asking because that’s the impression I’ve always had, and never thought to Google it.
But yes. Lando series kthxpls.
Not sure, but if memory serves( crikey, over 20 years ago! ) Tenab was just before A New Hope, in the A.C.Cripin trilogy. If Solo gets a 2nd outing then they might cover that.
I was always under the impression it was something Han and Lando were involved in before the OT, apparently in the old EU it happened shortly after the first Death Star blew up and Lando became a minor celebrity for it for a while.
Wookiepedia says it now took place between rescuing Han and the Battle of Endor, but I choose to disagree.
H.B.M.C. wrote: what's left to show other than things that we don't know him for?
Off the top of my head:
The job Han bailed on for fear of getting boarded, whatever job Han did for Jabba to make the ruthless Hutt willing to give Han time to pay him back for said botch job (even going so far as to say 'you're the best' in the special edition), Han meeting Boba Fett and establishing whatever their emnity is, the Battle of Tenab...
There isn't much of a story for the botched job. It came across as a fairly standard run, he got spotted, boarded, and ejected the goods, so he owes Jabba money. You could dress that up and try to make a story out of it, but its really mundane: "Even I get boarded sometimes."
There might be something at the Battle of Tenab, but the context suggests that Lando pulled a flanking trick on Empire fleet elements, or maybe ground elements (but the Rebels trying to pull off ground actions against hordes of stromtroopers seems dumb).
But as to an 'enmity' between Han and Fett, is there one? Vader hired Fett and assorted others to track Han and company, and Fett took him to the sponsor of an existing bounty, Jabba. Done.
The thing with films is, little background details fill out the universe to help it seem more realistic. But filling out every little detail into big stories is really dull. If its something you've seized on, the big version is likely to be less interesting than what you've created in your head.
IIRC, some of the older EU books tried to build on the supposed enmity between Fett and Solo, but then one of the writers (probably Traviss) walked that back in the later stuff when they briefly teamed up, with Fett declaring that it was never personal, Han was 'just a job'.
What the deal is in the new continuity, I have no idea.
It was, IIRC, Dengar who had actual beef with Han. Something about he wore the bandages because of a racing incident on Corellia leaving him disfigured and blaming Han for the crash.
I mean... Fett anticipates Han's 'cut the power and float off with the garbage' plan and beats him at the same game. Also, because hyperspace tracking isn't a thing until the First Order figures it out, he would have had to have seen the Falcon leave, figure out he's running to Lando, and report that back to Vader with enough authority to convince him to park the executor there.
I figure they must have some kind of history, and he'd make a fun guest character.
So I just finished the first episode. Overall I liked it, it felt a bit fast paced (maybe moreso than i'm used to) and maybe a bit shorter than I was expecting. I figured the pilot would run closer to a full hour. It went by pretty quick and now I want to see more.
Yeah, not waiting four months, this isn't the 90's any more.
It was good. I was sold on the Beskar stuff. I was extremely sold on the big action sequence at the end. I am...unconvinced the reveal about the bounty is a good idea, but they've earned enough goodwill with the rest of it that I'll withhold judgement.
The production design is great, the music is interesting definitely aiming for a very "space western" vibe. The ship is cool.
Overall, a good start. So long as they can keep this show in line with the title and not have it devolve into a Sequel-prequel, it should be a solid addition to Star Wars.
A staggered launch, unless impossible due to infrastructure (which seems hard to imagine, given that Kiwiland is getting it before the UK), is a bad idea.
Anyway, yes, episode 1 of The Mando Mystery Tour. Quite good. It's very much a western, but with a grime-covered ANH aesthetic. Feels very lived in.
IG droids are dangerous.
And the target of the bounty... well... I never thought they'd ever broach that particular subject. Yikes...
H.B.M.C. wrote: A staggered launch, unless impossible due to infrastructure (which seems hard to imagine, given that Kiwiland is getting it before the UK), is a bad idea.
Not infrastructure. Completely and totally a result of existing licencing and distribution deals. Netflix UK, and, more significantly, Sky TV have deals in place for large chunks of both Disney and Fox content. Disney tried to buy Sky which would have short circuited a lot of the problems and perhaps allowed a similar release schedule, but Comcast beat them to the punch.
Unsurprisingly, given what we now know about the UK release, the contracts run to 2020...
H.B.M.C. wrote: A staggered launch, unless impossible due to infrastructure (which seems hard to imagine, given that Kiwiland is getting it before the UK), is a bad idea.
Not infrastructure. Completely and totally a result of existing licencing and distribution deals. Netflix UK, and, more significantly, Sky TV have deals in place for large chunks of both Disney and Fox content. Disney tried to buy Sky which would have short circuited a lot of the problems and perhaps allowed a similar release schedule, but Comcast beat them to the punch.
Unsurprisingly, given what we now know about the UK release, the contracts run to 2020...
Yup.
The issues are who own distribution rights where. Disney 10 years ago may have cut a deal with x,y,z, companies in other countries to distribute their content exclusively in those countries and now those contracts prevent Disney from distributing their content on their own with the streaming service.
Enjoyed it, solid B+ for mine. There were a few minor niggles but overall felt very SW (the grimy version) and have great hopes for this going forward.
Yodhrin wrote: If anyone was thinking about having a wee snigger at Karen Traviss' expense over this show...yeesh, her twitter should have a health warning.
I suppose it serves me right for anticipating enjoying someone else's misery, but, as the kids say, yikes.
Not sure what you're getting at. Her books were invalidated years ago in relation to the Mandos with the Clone Wars (was it before the EU purge? I don't recall...) so I don't expect too many fans to be riled up en masse if something in this new show contradicts them further. I rather enjoyed the books myself (didn't watch clone wars to the point they were invalidated) and am glad that by some reports minor things from the EU like beskar are making it in.
Yodhrin wrote: If anyone was thinking about having a wee snigger at Karen Traviss' expense over this show...yeesh, her twitter should have a health warning.
I suppose it serves me right for anticipating enjoying someone else's misery, but, as the kids say, yikes.
Now, now, don’t tease. What is so yikes? Is she threatening to strangle Filoni or something?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I wonder if this series will come out on DVD...
I'm not picking up D+, but went to my brother's this evening for hot dogs and he decided to watch the first episode.
Completely...meh? The IG droid was the highlight, but the rest of it was a bit on the...try-hard side? Some very forced encounters, some encounters basically making the protag look like a wimp, etc. Wasn't sold by the atmosphere or costumes. Herzog was a nice surprise. I think I was expecting much more, like an HBO level of show. Definitely not that.
Some of it did feel a bit hammy, and the music was hit/miss. I'd give it a B, maybe a C+. I watched it twice now, I think I was expecting it to be a bit more mature, with better production values. I got a bit of a cosplay vibe from some of the costumes. I think they should have shot it on film just to kind of give it a more cinematic look and conceal any rough edges. The way in which it unfolded though felt more like a live action cartoon or comic though, and not a full fledged series. Like if you compare the 'feel" of this in terms of style and production to something like Band of Brothers, BoB seems much better made. Also putting all these comedians in the show feels weird for Star Wars, not sure if I want to say it but it kinda reeks of possible nepotism.
Yodhrin wrote: If anyone was thinking about having a wee snigger at Karen Traviss' expense over this show...yeesh, her twitter should have a health warning.
I suppose it serves me right for anticipating enjoying someone else's misery, but, as the kids say, yikes.
Now, now, don’t tease. What is so yikes? Is she threatening to strangle Filoni or something?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I wonder if this series will come out on DVD...
I Can't Say because of the forum rules. I used the word yikes advisedly, and not in relation to her writing for Star Wars.
Yodhrin wrote: If anyone was thinking about having a wee snigger at Karen Traviss' expense over this show...yeesh, her twitter should have a health warning.
I suppose it serves me right for anticipating enjoying someone else's misery, but, as the kids say, yikes.
Was there something show-specific on there? If so it's been deleted.
But in general? Yeah. From what I remember about her tantrums etc it should be no surprise she's retweeting the likes of Piers Morgan.
Nope. Nothing about Star Wars there. Just a bunch of stuff that does't fit The Narrative™, so I guess that makes her a "yikes" person, right? Didn't know she was English.
Good overall. Definitely felt like it started as a Boba series. Sometimes blurs the line between feeling desolate, lonely, and empty and feeling a bit cheap, but then they drop a fortune on some major scenes and its money well spent.
Also, desperately want a set of Looncurse to put a helmet on the Loonboss that comes in that set....
Saw it, loved it, can't wait for the next episode.
Spoiler:
Regarding the helmet removal: I got the impression that's just a hearsay legend about Mandos. Even in the SW universe, they are mysterious. I get the feeling that since they are an honor-bound warrior society, they tend to keep stuff close to their chest and when "loners" go out bounty hunting, they probably do keep their helmets on all the time.
But the Mandos in Clone Wars and Rebels are either: A) In groups, not bounty hunting B) a splinter faction working outside the main Mando society (even though they think of themselves as "true" Mandos or C) disillusioned members of a broken society (Sabin Ren and others)
Also (and this is especially spoilery so don't open the tag if you want to avoid):
Spoiler:
50 YEAR OLD BABY YODLING!!! That was a surprising reveal. And 50 years is a long time to need diaper changes
Galef wrote: Saw it, loved it, can't wait for the next episode.
So I've not been keeping track, but I subscribed to D+ and expected the entire show to be available. Is this going to be a weekly thing? I'm so used to Prime and Netflix just dropping their shows all in one and thought Disney would do the same.
Is the first episode just a teaser, with the rest of the season dropping at a later date or is it going to be a weekly thing?
Regarding the helmet removal: I got the impression that's just a hearsay legend about Mandos. Even in the SW universe, they are mysterious. I get the feeling that since they are an honor-bound warrior society, they tend to keep stuff close to their chest and when "loners" go out bounty hunting, they probably do keep their helmets on all the time.
But the Mandos in Clone Wars and Rebels are either:
A) In groups, not bounty hunting
B) a splinter faction working outside the main Mando society (even though they think of themselves as "true" Mandos or
C) disillusioned members of a broken society (Sabin Ren and others)
The issue is that a large chunk of the pre-existing Mandalorian lore was jettisoned when the Legends demarcation went down, with newer material (that you've referenced) taking precedence. Depending on one's opinions on both the EU Mandos, as well as the Legends canon situation, gak gets...complicated. There are a lot of expectations out there that may or may not be grounded in the latest version of continuity.
Of the SW cultures, its always been one heavily subject to retcons and conflicting information. I never totally followed it even when I was deeply invested in the EU.
Regarding the helmet removal: I got the impression that's just a hearsay legend about Mandos. Even in the SW universe, they are mysterious. I get the feeling that since they are an honor-bound warrior society, they tend to keep stuff close to their chest and when "loners" go out bounty hunting, they probably do keep their helmets on all the time.
But the Mandos in Clone Wars and Rebels are either:
A) In groups, not bounty hunting
B) a splinter faction working outside the main Mando society (even though they think of themselves as "true" Mandos or
C) disillusioned members of a broken society (Sabin Ren and others)
The issue is that a large chunk of the pre-existing Mandalorian lore was jettisoned when the Legends demarcation went down, with newer material (that you've referenced) taking precedence. Depending on one's opinions on both the EU Mandos, as well as the Legends canon situation, gak gets...complicated. There are a lot of expectations out there that may or may not be grounded in the latest version of continuity.
I wasn't referring to EU stuff at all, only the Canon stuff, which Clone Wars and Rebels still is.
The point I was making is that: yes, Mandos take their helmets off, we've seen this IN CANON plenty of times, but for the denizens of the galaxy far, far away who AREN'T privy to seeing the movies and shows, Mandos are still a mysterious and legendary group, much like the Jedi.
So there being a "myth" in-universe that Mandos do not take off their helmet is very cool even if it isn't true
Galef wrote: Saw it, loved it, can't wait for the next episode.
So I've not been keeping track, but I subscribed to D+ and expected the entire show to be available. Is this going to be a weekly thing? I'm so used to Prime and Netflix just dropping their shows all in one and thought Disney would do the same.
Is the first episode just a teaser, with the rest of the season dropping at a later date or is it going to be a weekly thing?
As I understand it we get another episode on friday and then one every subsequent friday.
I wasn't referring to EU stuff at all, only the Canon stuff, which Clone Wars and Rebels still is.
The point I was making is that: yes, Mandos take their helmets off, we've seen this IN CANON plenty of times, but for the denizens of the galaxy far, far away who AREN'T privy to seeing the movies and shows, Mandos are still a mysterious and legendary group, much like the Jedi.
So there being a "myth" in-universe that Mandos do not take off their helmet is very cool even if it isn't true
I'm aware of your particular stance on continuity. It's not universal however, and is a source of considerable consternation, for better or worse.
At the end of the day, its a narrative tool that can work well if handled correctly (see: Karl Urban in Judge Dredd). It will be interesting to see how things go.
Galef wrote: Saw it, loved it, can't wait for the next episode.
So I've not been keeping track, but I subscribed to D+ and expected the entire show to be available. Is this going to be a weekly thing? I'm so used to Prime and Netflix just dropping their shows all in one and thought Disney would do the same.
Is the first episode just a teaser, with the rest of the season dropping at a later date or is it going to be a weekly thing?
As I understand it we get another episode on friday and then one every subsequent friday.
Correct. It's a weekly thing. But there are only 8 Episodes (so far and according to IMDB) and I think I heard that they were already given the green light for a Season 2
If you REALLY want to binge watch all the episodes at once, you can wait until about mid-January to sing up
On the Mando culture front, as far as Disneycanon goes all we know is they existed as a warrior culture for a long but indeterminate time, during the late period of the Galactic Republic(I think that's right? IIRC it goes The Old Republic > The Republic > Galactic Republic > First Galactic Empire > New Republic) a political movement leads to a brief period of pacifism and active neutrality, which descends into strife at the tail end of the Clone Wars, and by the period just prior to the Battle of Yavin they've become a society comprised of multiple clans with their own holdings which were nominally collectively aligned with the Empire, and some of which subsequently rose up against them and installed Bo-Katan as the new Mandalore.
So there's about a decade missing between then and the "present day" of the show.
Even Netflix has started shifting some of its content to weekly...they realized "hey some people are paying one month just to binge watch X, Y and Z". They would rather keep people on the hook for at least a few months.
Galef wrote: Saw it, loved it, can't wait for the next episode.
So I've not been keeping track, but I subscribed to D+ and expected the entire show to be available. Is this going to be a weekly thing? I'm so used to Prime and Netflix just dropping their shows all in one and thought Disney would do the same.
Is the first episode just a teaser, with the rest of the season dropping at a later date or is it going to be a weekly thing?
According to Wikipedia the next episode is Friday 15th, and then every Friday.
So I got my ol' pegleg and eyepatch back on and watched the first episode. I'll admit I was dramatically surprised by how much I liked the first episode. It was pretty awesome. I was expecting garbage, but it was actually rather solid. We'll see if the other episodes can keep it up.
Yodhrin wrote: On the Mando culture front, as far as Disneycanon goes all we know is they existed as a warrior culture for a long but indeterminate time, during the late period of the Galactic Republic(I think that's right? IIRC it goes The Old Republic > The Republic > Galactic Republic > First Galactic Empire > New Republic) a political movement leads to a brief period of pacifism and active neutrality, which descends into strife at the tail end of the Clone Wars, and by the period just prior to the Battle of Yavin they've become a society comprised of multiple clans with their own holdings which were nominally collectively aligned with the Empire, and some of which subsequently rose up against them and installed Bo-Katan as the new Mandalore.
So there's about a decade missing between then and the "present day" of the show.
Even then the Pacifist movement seemed to only control Mandalore, as the Protectors have been shown as participating in the Clone Wars. So its likely that other groups of Mandos broke off to do their own thing, which makes sense concidering they were supposed to be fragmented enough that those that wanted Neutrality and to be Pacifists managed to swing control (albeit not uncontested if how Satine and Obi met is any indication). Also Bo-Katan was declared Mandalore by the Anti-Empire Mandos, but was never shown being installed as Mandalore, taking control of them. So the outcome of the Mandalorian Civil War version who even knows at this point, is unknown.
Definitely very good. Its got the gritty Star Wars vibe that I've been craving. And what looks to be high production values to boot. Not overly reliant on CGI. And I like the story as its playing out.
Yodhrin wrote: On the Mando culture front, as far as Disneycanon goes all we know is they existed as a warrior culture for a long but indeterminate time, during the late period of the Galactic Republic(I think that's right? IIRC it goes The Old Republic > The Republic > Galactic Republic > First Galactic Empire > New Republic) a political movement leads to a brief period of pacifism and active neutrality, which descends into strife at the tail end of the Clone Wars, and by the period just prior to the Battle of Yavin they've become a society comprised of multiple clans with their own holdings which were nominally collectively aligned with the Empire, and some of which subsequently rose up against them and installed Bo-Katan as the new Mandalore.
So there's about a decade missing between then and the "present day" of the show.
Even then the Pacifist movement seemed to only control Mandalore, as the Protectors have been shown as participating in the Clone Wars. So its likely that other groups of Mandos broke off to do their own thing, which makes sense concidering they were supposed to be fragmented enough that those that wanted Neutrality and to be Pacifists managed to swing control (albeit not uncontested if how Satine and Obi met is any indication). Also Bo-Katan was declared Mandalore by the Anti-Empire Mandos, but was never shown being installed as Mandalore, taking control of them. So the outcome of the Mandalorian Civil War version who even knows at this point, is unknown.
Aye. The Mandalorians have always, even when ostensibly united, been a bit of a fractured group. Their basic culture lends itself to the clan being the most important level of their society, which means that they'll mostly do their own thing and not gather in a larger unified society with homogeneous ideologies.
It would make perfect sense for the more traditional clans to leave Mandalore during the pacifist era during the Republic. It would be a disgusting betrayal of their millennia-old culture that had a great history, and that watering down would not sit well with them.
I think this parallels somewhat with the Mongols, and I think that was intentional. The Mandalorians are a warrior society that might unite under a strong leader, but in the absence of someone with the true charisma to unite them all(a Mandalore) they'll resort to infighting because they are at the core a society where the strongest person becomes the leader. Which means everybody who thinks himself strong will fight everybody else who thinks they are strong.
So I heard the 2nd episode and the rest of them are even shorter than the pilot (running at 30ish minutes including credits) really disappointing news to me, feels more like a sitcom length. 45 minutes each would have been ideal. I hope season 2 has a bit more meat on it's bones cause for the flagship show of Disney plus...bit weak. Can't see myself keeping this sub when this season ends, not much else on here to keep my interest.
I find shows generally don't have more than 20 minutes of real content no matter how long their runtime. I actively gave up on hour long episodes a few years ago because there was just so much padding.
Even shorter? That's going to be a short run time for the 8 episode season if that continues. Glad to hear it continues to satisfy though. And, yes, Jawas are vermin.
Thargrim wrote: So I heard the 2nd episode and the rest of them are even shorter than the pilot (running at 30ish minutes including credits) really disappointing news to me, feels more like a sitcom length. 45 minutes each would have been ideal. I hope season 2 has a bit more meat on it's bones cause for the flagship show of Disney plus...bit weak. Can't see myself keeping this sub when this season ends, not much else on here to keep my interest.
edit: episode 2 was about 27 minutes, jesus
It's a live action Clone Wars equivalent, and a timing format Filoni has become exquisitely good at using.
Thargrim wrote: So I heard the 2nd episode and the rest of them are even shorter than the pilot (running at 30ish minutes including credits) really disappointing news to me, feels more like a sitcom length. 45 minutes each would have been ideal. I hope season 2 has a bit more meat on it's bones cause for the flagship show of Disney plus...bit weak. Can't see myself keeping this sub when this season ends, not much else on here to keep my interest.
edit: episode 2 was about 27 minutes, jesus
It's a live action Clone Wars equivalent, and a timing format Filoni has become exquisitely good at using.
Yeah, I'm kinda glad it's short. It's more like a long movie broken into parts rather than a true weekly TV show.
Yup, think of it has a 4 hour movie rather than a 10 hour series.
I only saw the first one so far, last night - but we absolutely love it so far. This is probably my favorite Star Wars thing so far out of all of them.
I'm not glad it's short, but only because it's so bloody good and I want more immediately.
I actually laughed out loud several times, I'm even starting to like the wee babby and I was really hesitant about that when it was rumoured. The rifle is mental as well.
I'm liking it so far. Some of the CGI is a little rough, but it's not too distracting. The IG-series droid in episode 1 was pretty cool to see. The music reminds me of the music from 80s fantasy movies like Conan the Barbarian, Conan the Destroyer, and The Dark Crystal.
I was fortunate enough to have a friend who subscribed to Disney+ invite me over to watch the first two episodes.
The first episode did not impress me at all. The as yet unnamed protagonist could not walk ten feet without stumbling over an absurdly conspicuous OT reference. The final reveal left me in absolute stitches. I didn’t think Disney’s Lucasfilm could be any more pathetic and desperate after what I have seen of their attempt to market Episode IX. But the end of the Mandalorian pilot is a new low. Otherwise, the writing and characterization was pretty uneven. Just as an example, we’re introduced to a laconic super badass but when the iG robot shows up the unnamed protagonist becomes the talky one and the droid is now the laconic super badass. And between comic quips, they are mowing down dozens of mooks. They must have murdered at least sixty guys. From gritty and serious to goofy buddy comedy, what a tonal shift. Then he shoots his new buddy in the head. I had no idea what I was supposed to feel about the show. But what I did feel was slightly nauseated.
I did like two things about the pilot: First, I liked that they built in the setting detail that the protagonist would accept half the posted bounty in a system specific currency rather than accept the whole bounty is an ostensible galactic currency because it was Imperial credits. This is a really nice way to subtly establish where we are in the timeline and what’s up. In the same vein, I really loved how ratty and scrawny the Storm Troopers looked; like coyotes in a lean season. It was really awesome how they instantly managed to make Storm Troopers, who have become the universal symbol for useless goons, into something that seems desperate, hungry, and dangerous. Some real smart little touches there that are easy to lose against the catastrophically stupid final scenes,
Thankfully, the second episode clarified that this show is just going to be a goofy mess. I mean, I know that sounds pretty negative, and it partly is, but I really warmed up to the show in the second episode. Never in my life did I imagine that Disney would take the iconic imagery of the ice cold, ruthless, hyper skilled Mandalorian bounty hunter and then
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have him get his ass whooped by a pack of scummy garbage thieving midgets.
I mean this very seriously. After the yawn fest first episode, it seemed clear that Favreau and Filoni had no new ideas. But I would never in a million years have expected to see a scene where a character that is too badass to say more than five words in a given sentence get
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his dumb ass mercilessly wrecked by the lowest, filthiest trash in the galaxy while they literally fething laugh in his face, and all this after they have already looted all his guns and parted out his space ship.
I must admit, that was a completely novel take on the notion of how to portray a hard as nails bounty hunter that I definitely did not see coming at all. Maybe this could be interesting, if it turns out that the protagonist just looks like he should be super competent but actually he is a greenhorn. Hey maybe that’s why he just now got his first big boy pauldron?
However, what I did see coming and what ruined the fun I was having with this awesome fresh idea was
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the played out bull gak idea that a baby can use the Force, which seems like a pretty strong line drawn under the stupid midichlorian crap that Filoni loves.
But what else can you expect from such a dumb plot development. Let’s just hope for the sake of the show that it is more about
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the awesome looking dude getting realistically fethed up, even by deceptively trivial obstacles,
rather than
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yet further bs about the dumb Force, which has been ruined totally for twenty years now with seemingly no end to the bs in sight.
