Lance845 wrote: Also interesting, Jango Fett isn't a real Mandolorian. He took off his helmet ALOT. Which makes Boba not a real mando. Just a clone of a disgrace or a clone of a pretender wearing someone elses armor.
Not all Mandalorians follow so rigorously the code by which The Mandalorian and the Tribe lives. If you watch Clone Wars and Rebels, plenty of Mandalorian remove their helmet, but even in those series Jango Fett is described as "not Mandalorian" so probably a thief or poser of some sort.
TBF the view in character of Jango not being a Mandalorian could be the way the Pacifist Mandalorian Government distances themselves from Mandos like Jango. But it all stems from Lucas not wanting Jango to be a Mando.
Like you mentioned not all follow this code so rigorously. Which leads me to suspect that this group is another group on the "Extreme" end of the Mando Spectrums. With Pacifists being one end and Deathwatch and The Tribe being the other. The Protectors and Clan Wren being somewhere in between.
Sadly its a long way off until this reaches the UK in March or a home video release, but the "baby-yoda" thing has been doing the rounds on Youtube and is supremely funny. Theres also a clip where the robot bounty hunter( IG-88 from Empire? ) seems to be reenacting the warehouse raid from Robocop and wiping out filthy scum left-right-and-center. Loth Cat from Rebels. Gina Carano.
My word, its all happening in the galaxy far, far away!
LunarSol wrote: The Code may also be something created in the wake of the Purge.
Doubtful. The Mando mentioned not removing his helmet in front of others since he was a wee lad. Assuming he is at least 30yrs old, that puts "the code" prior to the Purge.
But I agree with others that this is likely just his tribe's code.
I also feel like Jango IS a Mando, or at least was, but chose to pursue a more renegade life style, rather than a "clan" style and thus other Mando (especially those of the pacifist variety) have disavowed Jango.
But in any case, Boba certainly isn't a Mando either.
Each episode has had different directors which might account for varying quality. While I enjoyed the fourth episode it is definitely the weakest of the series so far. The directors of the first three episodes have a deeper history directing and this last one was directed by Bryce Dallas Howard, the actress from Jurassic World films.
I feel a better director could have elevated the material of episode 4. What we got was bog standard western tropes n cliche compilation for 30-40 minutes. I wonder if in a couple years when this honeymoon phase is over will people look back on this show and think...yeah it was a bit weak, in terms of writing/story/character dynamics.
Ahtman wrote: Each episode has had different directors which might account for varying quality. While I enjoyed the fourth episode it is definitely the weakest of the series so far. The directors of the first three episodes have a deeper history directing and this last one was directed by Bryce Dallas Howard, the daughter of well regarded director and Happy Days star, Ron Howard .
Fixed to better represent the reason she's doing anything at all.
Ahtman wrote: Each episode has had different directors which might account for varying quality. While I enjoyed the fourth episode it is definitely the weakest of the series so far. The directors of the first three episodes have a deeper history directing and this last one was directed by Bryce Dallas Howard, the daughter of well regarded director and Happy Days star, Ron Howard .
Fixed to better represent the reason she's doing anything at all.
I know she is his daughter but he didn't direct the episode and isn't part of her limited directing background; I have no doubt being connected to such a well known and respected person in the industry has opened doors for her. As with any industry who you know is often more important than what you know but that is a different thread altogether.
I know she is his daughter but he didn't direct the episode and isn't part of her limited directing background; I have no doubt being connected to such a well known and respected person in the industry has opened doors for her. As with any industry who you know is often more important than what you know but that is a different thread altogether.
I'm not really a fan of her myself. None of her performances have been really all that notable. That said, given her limited experience with directing its not like she flubbed this one. There were a lot of well done scenes and memorable shots. Some of the character dynamics definitely came across a little flatter than prior episodes and I'm sure some of that is on the direction, but the episode shows some real talent along with inexperience.
Thargrim wrote: I feel a better director could have elevated the material of episode 4. What we got was bog standard western tropes n cliche compilation for 30-40 minutes. I wonder if in a couple years when this honeymoon phase is over will people look back on this show and think...yeah it was a bit weak, in terms of writing/story/character dynamics.
I suspect that in a few years people are going to look back at most of the post-TLJ releases and notice that they're all very safe and by-the-numbers, to avoid a repeat of all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth that happened when they tried to step outside the box. Which is a shame, but it is what it is.
Episode 5 was, like #4, rather predictable, but still had some fun moments, and I enjoyed it overall. We're just in the slow-down in the middle, right now.
As much as I understand Disney's reasons for not encouraging binge-watching and going with the weekly release model, I feel like this series in particular will really come into its own once it's all released and can be watched as a single 4-ish hour 'movie'.
I hope some of the mcu shows are released to be binged. I can go week to week on something like miss marvel, she hulk, moon knight. But if wanda vision ties directly into the dr stange movie, let me binge that gak.
Thargrim wrote: I feel a better director could have elevated the material of episode 4. What we got was bog standard western tropes n cliche compilation for 30-40 minutes. I wonder if in a couple years when this honeymoon phase is over will people look back on this show and think...yeah it was a bit weak, in terms of writing/story/character dynamics.
I suspect that in a few years people are going to look back at most of the post-TLJ releases and notice that they're all very safe and by-the-numbers, to avoid a repeat of all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth that happened when they tried to step outside the box. Which is a shame, but it is what it is.
Which is a weird sentiment, since the only thing that wasn't safe and by-the-numbers was Rogue One, and that did fairly well.
The wailing and gnashing of teeth came from two camps- those who wanted a well-done story out of TLJ (and TFA), and the bigots. Neither had anything to do with any film stepping out of the box.
LunarSol wrote: Depends on how it ties in. Week to week makes sense if it ties in the way SHIELD did with Winter Soldier.
And it seems a bit of a coincidence that the 8 episode show released at same time as Disney+ launcher gets to its next-to-last episode in the same week as the Rise of Skywalker. I can see a few ways to tie in the Mando with the overall Skywalker saga (although none that are particularly satisfying) making the timing just seem so....well convenient
Which is a weird sentiment, since the only thing that wasn't safe and by-the-numbers was Rogue One, and that did fairly well.
Wait, what? Rogue One coule just about be in the dictionary beside the definition of 'safe and by-the-numbers'.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it was predictable and formulaic, and there were no real surprises in there. The characters were exactly as you expected them to be, and did exactly the things that you expected them to do, in a story that we knew the end of.
The wailing and gnashing of teeth came from two camps- those who wanted a well-done story out of TLJ (and TFA), and the bigots. Neither had anything to do with any film stepping out of the box.
The wailing and gnashing of teeth I was referring to was specifically about those who have been deriding the film for 'subverting expectations' and snidely parroting the 'let the past die' line since the film was released.
Lance845 wrote: I hope some of the mcu shows are released to be binged. I can go week to week on something like miss marvel, she hulk, moon knight. But if wanda vision ties directly into the dr stange movie, let me binge that gak.
Going by previous press releases, no, it's an across the board thing.
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AduroT wrote: I take it someone May have called in the Calvary?
insaniak wrote: Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it was predictable and formulaic, and there were no real surprises in there. The characters were exactly as you expected them to be, and did exactly the things that you expected them to do, in a story that we knew the end of.
It's utterly bizarre to me that the most memorable things about the movie have nothing to do with any of the characters in the movie.
insaniak wrote: Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it was predictable and formulaic, and there were no real surprises in there. The characters were exactly as you expected them to be, and did exactly the things that you expected them to do, in a story that we knew the end of.
It's utterly bizarre to me that the most memorable things about the movie have nothing to do with any of the characters in the movie.
One thing they've really done well are the droids. K2-SO, IG-11, and L3-37 (despite her terrible name) were hilarious and amazing characters. Wild disregard for human, massively self destructive inferiority complex, and perverse and inscrutable lover of humans and revolutionary
I still crack up at I will initiate self destruct sequence.
Thargrim wrote: I feel a better director could have elevated the material of episode 4. What we got was bog standard western tropes n cliche compilation for 30-40 minutes. I wonder if in a couple years when this honeymoon phase is over will people look back on this show and think...yeah it was a bit weak, in terms of writing/story/character dynamics.
I suspect that in a few years people are going to look back at most of the post-TLJ releases and notice that they're all very safe and by-the-numbers, to avoid a repeat of all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth that happened when they tried to step outside the box. Which is a shame, but it is what it is.
Personally I think people are going to look back at most of the post-TLJ releases and notice that they're all Star Wars, were done that way to avoid annoying people who want to watch Star Wars, and think that's not a shame at all but a good idea, since they like Star Wars. I've seen hardly anybody claiming this stuff is leik the gratest evar, it's just solid basic material with some really great elements to it, and the main reaction it's eliciting from the vast, vast, vast majority of TLJ-dislikers is a sigh of relief rather than some ecstatic religious experience.
Also, I really wish people would stop pretending the reason TLJ was so disliked was that it "tried to step outside the box". The reason it's disliked is the "subvert expectations" BS was used as an excuse for it being a gakky story with no regard for the setup from the previous movie and an active middle finger to the franchise prior to that. Interestingly, and in line with that, most of the TLJ-dislikers I've met or talked to who were franchise fans(as opposed to movie fans who don't bother with the supplementary material - which there's nothing wrong with of course, before anyone has a fit) very much enjoyed KotOR2, which hit almost all of the same beats as TLJ regarding the Jedi and the force and the nature of galactic conflict, but did so within a coherent narrative that didn't maul any beloved existing characters to make its points and used subversion sparingly as a tool rather than as a crutch to try and make itself seem cleverer than it actually was.
Also, I really wish people would stop pretending the reason TLJ was so disliked was that it "tried to step outside the box".
Nobody actually said that. People disliked TLJ for a few different reasons. The takeaway for Disney, though, given that by all reports the people in charge liked it, will have been that it went in a direction fans didn't expect and that was a bad thing.
The reason it's disliked is the "subvert expectations" BS was used as an excuse for it being a gakky story with no regard for the setup from the previous movie and an active middle finger to the franchise prior to that.
Amazing. Every word of what you just said is wrong.
Really, though, I don't think there's anything to be gained by stirring up the whole TLJ can of worms again.
Which is a weird sentiment, since the only thing that wasn't safe and by-the-numbers was Rogue One, and that did fairly well.
Wait, what? Rogue One coule just about be in the dictionary beside the definition of 'safe and by-the-numbers'.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it was predictable and formulaic, and there were no real surprises in there. The characters were exactly as you expected them to be, and did exactly the things that you expected them to do, in a story that we knew the end of.
You'll have to point to where in the Star Wars formula 'rocks fall, everyone dies' comes, because I seem to have missed it in every other film, tv show, comic, game and novel related to the property.
Or where the rebels aren't purer than pure, lily white idealists, but instead mass-murderers and psychopaths.
The wailing and gnashing of teeth came from two camps- those who wanted a well-done story out of TLJ (and TFA), and the bigots. Neither had anything to do with any film stepping out of the box.
The wailing and gnashing of teeth I was referring to was specifically about those who have been deriding the film for 'subverting expectations' and snidely parroting the 'let the past die' line since the film was released.
I've no idea what you're on about, or why you brought it up. 'Subverting expectations' was a quote from the director, not from wailing or gnashing fans.
Yohdrin wrote:Also, I really wish people would stop pretending the reason TLJ was so disliked was that it "tried to step outside the box".
Insaniak wrote:Nobody actually said that. People disliked TLJ for a few different reasons
You said that when you brought TLJ up out of nowhere:
you wrote:I suspect that in a few years people are going to look back at most of the post-TLJ releases and notice that they're all very safe and by-the-numbers, to avoid a repeat of all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth that happened when they tried to step outside the box.
Really, though, I don't think there's anything to be gained by stirring up the whole TLJ can of worms again.
The reason it's disliked is the "subvert expectations" BS was used as an excuse for it being a gakky story with no regard for the setup from the previous movie and an active middle finger to the franchise prior to that.
Amazing. Every word of what you just said is wrong.
Really, though, I don't think there's anything to be gained by stirring up the whole TLJ can of worms again.
Says the person who decided to crack open the can and fetch the spoon. You brought it up, either elaborate on how "every word of what (I) said is wrong" or concede the point, don't hide behind a sudden concern for off topicness.
Thargrim wrote: I feel a better director could have elevated the material of episode 4. What we got was bog standard western tropes n cliche compilation for 30-40 minutes. I wonder if in a couple years when this honeymoon phase is over will people look back on this show and think...yeah it was a bit weak, in terms of writing/story/character dynamics.
I suspect that in a few years people are going to look back at most of the post-TLJ releases and notice that they're all very safe and by-the-numbers, to avoid a repeat of all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth that happened when they tried to step outside the box. Which is a shame, but it is what it is.
What I'm getting from this is Insaniac would like to talk more about TLJ.
Are you attempting to put the blame for any lack of inspiration going forward on a reductionist reaction to fan criticism from Disney or are you criticizing critics of TLJ for being critical and laying the blame for all post TLJ tepid SW material on fans criticizing TLJ?
Are you attempting to put the blame for any lack of inspiration going forward on a reductionist reaction to fan criticism from Disney or are you criticizing critics of TLJ for being critical and laying the blame for all post TLJ tepid SW material on fans criticizing TLJ?
I'm suggesting that the time they tried to do something the audience wouldn't expect, it didn't go the way Disney expected, and so they're more likely to stick to the usual Disney formula going forwards.
The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to be Boba. In addition to the last episode being on the same planet where we last saw Boba, who better to track down a rogue Mando bounty hunter than the most infamous bounty hunter in Mando armour (even if he isn't actually a Mando).
And so far we've seen Western troupe after Western troupe. What if it's all building up to a "High Noon" style showdown between our new hero (the Mando) and an old baddie (Boba Fett). That's some high-grade wish fulfillment on my part, but it could be pretty satisfying.
Unless....they bring back Boba just to kill him again. That would be ... disappointing
Lance845 wrote: I hope they mever bring in bobba or mention his name.
Yeah, tbh, part of the draw for the series so far is how its removed from the main cast from the previous movies, with obvious references but at the same time there isn't cameo after cameo like in Rebels or Clone Wars. To see Boba get involved this early in the series would require the stakes to escalate even further in later seasons and I feel like its too soon for that.
Well, now that he's taken a few blaster bolts, will we see him go back to the clan to get some repairs? it'd be interesting to see where they've moved to, or even if they've gone home, so to say.
Considering the entire series has been screaming "this is not Boba", I'm genuinely curious how you came to that conclusion.
Agreed. And if you know about Boba from the canon Clone Wars show, you'll know there is no way he'd act as altruistically as the Mando has on several occasions during the show.
At first I was kinda hoping the Mando would turn out to be Boba considering all the visual similarities, but after watching the show, he just cannot be. But if they made the Mando a new character to set-up a high-noon style showdown between Mando and Boba, I'm actually happier with that than if Mando was Boba. It keeps Boba as a "baddie" which he has always been and lets us actually relate to the Mando
So the showrunners get to have their nostalgia cake and eat it too.
Galef wrote: Agreed. And if you know about Boba from the canon Clone Wars show, you'll know there is no way he'd act as altruistically as the Mando has on several occasions during the show.
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You don't even need the Clone Wars - we know from Ep2 that Boba was a clone, 'born' on Kamino. And we know from the flashbacks to his childhood that 'Mando' wasn't.
It’s a good decent watch, if I had to give a rating it would be 7/10; nothing really jumps out at me and catches my interest, the best parts are the visual and custom designs; weakest parts are the dialogue and story lines.
When I first heard about this show, my attitude was "This will either be awesome, or Disney is going to ensure 'Star Wars' is a joke for the next 50 years".
Well played, Mouse. Do more like this. Notice how that Mando Merch flies off the shelves? Notice how people threw money at a streaming service once word got out about how awesome the show was? Notice how no one is complaining about Cara Dune? See how you can make something socially relevant (like struggling war vets), without it being absolutely politically divisive?
This is the Way.
Now, we wait until Mandalorians make it into Star Wars: Legion...
Big Mac wrote: the best parts are the visual and custom designs; weakest parts are the dialogue and story lines.
So....it's very, very Star Wars?
Joking aside, I love this show and watch it every Friday. Once all episodes are out, I plan to binge watch all 8 episodes at once to see if they stack up when viewed like that (vs the week-to-week anticipation hyping it up for me).
But I can't decide what's a better end-saying: "This is the Way" or "I have spoken"
Also this last episode was probably the weakest for me, because the guy playing the other Bounty Hunter really didnt seem like he could act, nor could the Mechanic Chick, so they kept taking me out of it.
Also this last episode was probably the weakest for me, because the guy playing the other Bounty Hunter really didnt seem like he could act, nor could the Mechanic Chick, so they kept taking me out of it.
Whoa hol up, that mechanic chick did fine IMO, and it was only made better that she turned out to be the voice actress of Princess Carolyn from Bojack Horseman, so seeing her handle Baby Yoda was more than fitting IMO.
Also this last episode was probably the weakest for me, because the guy playing the other Bounty Hunter really didnt seem like he could act, nor could the Mechanic Chick, so they kept taking me out of it.
The episode before was the weakest for me. It was your standard paint by numbers adventure series filler episode, down to the silly training montage with spears... It added absolutely nothing to the series. The "little" reveals could have easily been handled in other ways.
I would argue the same for the most recent episode, it was the by the numbers young bounty hunter story, complete with turning on another for their own gain. And while the village had the two village idiots to be bad in the few seconds of screen time they had, this episode had two actors with more screen time to constantly.
Predictable stories are to be expected for me in this series, which claims to be a Space Western. So are forgivable. Bad acting being given lime light, is not.
OK, so my reasoning for why i believe he might well be Boba Fett:
Spoiler:
His hands - his fingers are the only part of him seen beneath his armour and they are severely scarred and swollen. Obviously this is assuming he's human, but if that is the case his hands, at least, have come into contact with something corrosive or been burned at some point. Boba Fett crawled out of the belly of the Sarlacc on Tattoine so this fits as its stomach acid is highly corrosive.
His armour - when we first see the Mando the only parts of his armour that are Beskar are his helmet and his pauldron, both of which are unpainted. This suggests that he either is a new recruit building up his armour, or he is replacing lost armour. On more than one occasion he has told the armourer that he is "starting over again" with regards to his armour which suggests that his previous armour was too badly damaged and is being replaced. Fett's armour would most likely have been very badly damaged in the Sarlacc and this explains why it is stripped of paint.
His gear - he has a rifle identical to the one Fett had in the holiday special, and his blaster looks very similar to one of the paired blasters that Jango Fett used. His original gear, including his rocket pack would have been destroyed in the Sarlaac.
His memories - in flasback scenes we see him as a small child, his parents trying to save him but being killed in the process. This does not fit Boba Fett's backstory.It does however fit Jango Fett's back story, who's parents were murdered on Concord Dawn before he was rescued as a foundling. Boba Fett is Jango Fett's clone - so shares his memories. The flashback scenes are not the Mandalorian's memories, but the memories of his "father".
Interaction with other Mandalorians - at least once the armourer refers to the Mando as "someone of your station" but in a seemingly reverential way, suggesting he is not some raw recruit but someone of standing. He is also in a cell with Paz Vizla. The Vizla clan raised Jango Fett.
Tattooine - he has obviously spent time there as he knows the area well and is fluent in Tusken. This doesn't mean he is Boba Fett though so this one is flimsy. However if the Mandalorian had never been there we would know it wasn't him.
Mos Eisley Space Port - the Mandalorian in episode 5 sits in exactly the same spot Solo sat in when he shot Greedo.
One liners - in episode 5 the Mandalorian uses Boba Fett's classic line "She's no good to us dead"
Kaminoan clones - finally believe baby Yoda is being used as a classic misdirect. Everybody thinks that the logo on Dr Pershing's uniform suggests Baby Yoda is a Kaminoan clone, and that is possible, but so was Boba Fett. I think this takes the attaention away from Fett and places it right back at Baby Yoda. I also think the 2 characters stories are intertwined and the Mandalorian has sympathy for baby Yoda not just because he was a foundling, but also because they are both clones (maybe).
StraightSilver wrote: OK, so my reasoning for why i believe he might well be Boba Fett:
Spoiler:
His hands - his fingers are the only part of him seen beneath his armour and they are severely scarred and swollen. Obviously this is assuming he's human, but if that is the case his hands, at least, have come into contact with something corrosive or been burned at some point. Boba Fett crawled out of the belly of the Sarlacc on Tattoine so this fits as its stomach acid is highly corrosive.
His armour - when we first see the Mando the only parts of his armour that are Beskar are his helmet and his pauldron, both of which are unpainted. This suggests that he either is a new recruit building up his armour, or he is replacing lost armour. On more than one occasion he has told the armourer that he is "starting over again" with regards to his armour which suggests that his previous armour was too badly damaged and is being replaced. Fett's armour would most likely have been very badly damaged in the Sarlacc and this explains why it is stripped of paint.
His gear - he has a rifle identical to the one Fett had in the holiday special, and his blaster looks very similar to one of the paired blasters that Jango Fett used. His original gear, including his rocket pack would have been destroyed in the Sarlaac.
His memories - in flasback scenes we see him as a small child, his parents trying to save him but being killed in the process. This does not fit Boba Fett's backstory.It does however fit Jango Fett's back story, who's parents were murdered on Concord Dawn before he was rescued as a foundling. Boba Fett is Jango Fett's clone - so shares his memories. The flashback scenes are not the Mandalorian's memories, but the memories of his "father".
Interaction with other Mandalorians - at least once the armourer refers to the Mando as "someone of your station" but in a seemingly reverential way, suggesting he is not some raw recruit but someone of standing. He is also in a cell with Paz Vizla. The Vizla clan raised Jango Fett.
Tattooine - he has obviously spent time there as he knows the area well and is fluent in Tusken. This doesn't mean he is Boba Fett though so this one is flimsy. However if the Mandalorian had never been there we would know it wasn't him.
Mos Eisley Space Port - the Mandalorian in episode 5 sits in exactly the same spot Solo sat in when he shot Greedo.
One liners - in episode 5 the Mandalorian uses Boba Fett's classic line "She's no good to us dead"
Kaminoan clones - finally believe baby Yoda is being used as a classic misdirect. Everybody thinks that the logo on Dr Pershing's uniform suggests Baby Yoda is a Kaminoan clone, and that is possible, but so was Boba Fett. I think this takes the attaention away from Fett and places it right back at Baby Yoda. I also think the 2 characters stories are intertwined and the Mandalorian has sympathy for baby Yoda not just because he was a foundling, but also because they are both clones (maybe).
Super fan boyish wishing aside, it would be terrible if this show was about boba fett. Again, sw is a big universe. We dont need to keep telling the stores of the same 6-8 people.
StraightSilver wrote: OK, so my reasoning for why i believe he might well be Boba Fett:
Spoiler:
His hands - his fingers are the only part of him seen beneath his armour and they are severely scarred and swollen. Obviously this is assuming he's human, but if that is the case his hands, at least, have come into contact with something corrosive or been burned at some point. Boba Fett crawled out of the belly of the Sarlacc on Tattoine so this fits as its stomach acid is highly corrosive.
His armour - when we first see the Mando the only parts of his armour that are Beskar are his helmet and his pauldron, both of which are unpainted. This suggests that he either is a new recruit building up his armour, or he is replacing lost armour. On more than one occasion he has told the armourer that he is "starting over again" with regards to his armour which suggests that his previous armour was too badly damaged and is being replaced. Fett's armour would most likely have been very badly damaged in the Sarlacc and this explains why it is stripped of paint.
His gear - he has a rifle identical to the one Fett had in the holiday special, and his blaster looks very similar to one of the paired blasters that Jango Fett used. His original gear, including his rocket pack would have been destroyed in the Sarlaac.
His memories - in flasback scenes we see him as a small child, his parents trying to save him but being killed in the process. This does not fit Boba Fett's backstory.It does however fit Jango Fett's back story, who's parents were murdered on Concord Dawn before he was rescued as a foundling. Boba Fett is Jango Fett's clone - so shares his memories. The flashback scenes are not the Mandalorian's memories, but the memories of his "father".
Interaction with other Mandalorians - at least once the armourer refers to the Mando as "someone of your station" but in a seemingly reverential way, suggesting he is not some raw recruit but someone of standing. He is also in a cell with Paz Vizla. The Vizla clan raised Jango Fett.
Tattooine - he has obviously spent time there as he knows the area well and is fluent in Tusken. This doesn't mean he is Boba Fett though so this one is flimsy. However if the Mandalorian had never been there we would know it wasn't him.
Mos Eisley Space Port - the Mandalorian in episode 5 sits in exactly the same spot Solo sat in when he shot Greedo.
One liners - in episode 5 the Mandalorian uses Boba Fett's classic line "She's no good to us dead"
Kaminoan clones - finally believe baby Yoda is being used as a classic misdirect. Everybody thinks that the logo on Dr Pershing's uniform suggests Baby Yoda is a Kaminoan clone, and that is possible, but so was Boba Fett. I think this takes the attaention away from Fett and places it right back at Baby Yoda. I also think the 2 characters stories are intertwined and the Mandalorian has sympathy for baby Yoda not just because he was a foundling, but also because they are both clones (maybe).
I would also like to point out that the Mandos memories of that battle include a super battledroid, which was a new model during the clone wars, which is a point in time in which Jango was an adult.
As much as I originally wanted the Mando to be Boba, I'm actually quite glad he isn't. And he definitively is NOT Boba. I still want to see Boba in this show, or in some other spin-off. I'd like to see Boba get the Rogue 1 treatment like Vader did (show him as the badass were never really got to see in the OrigTrig).
This show is the perfect platform to do this. And they can have Temuera Morrison do his voice at least and even show his face without the Helmet. You wouldn't even have to de-age him much as he is only 58, while Boba would be in his early-mid 40s at this time. And he'd have to look a rough 40s as he's got some country miles on him with how hard his life has been
But Boba is not a good guy, never was, and to show him as a relatable protagonist is....not a good idea. But the show needs such a protagonist. So I'm really glad they've expanded the lore and focused on Dyn Jarren (the Mando's CONFIRMED real name according to the actor in the suit).
Oh, and by the way, why do some people think the Mando has swollen, mutilated fingers? Those are the yellowish tips of his gloves, not exposed sausage fingers.
Yup, very glad they went with the non Boba approach in Mando, especially the more I watch it, as the mando character does make for a much better protagonist that the audience can relate to. However, I would be very hyped to see them lead into a Boba vs Mando showdown as has been theorized by some, as it would make for a great and interesting tie-in to the original inspiring character.
ikeulhu wrote: Yup, very glad they went with the non Boba approach in Mando, especially the more I watch it, as the mando character does make for a much better protagonist that the audience can relate to. However, I would be very hyped to see them lead into a Boba vs Mando showdown as has been theorized by some, as it would make for a great and interesting tie-in to the original inspiring character.
Isn't Bobba dead (and in a stupid fashion). I don't think we need to resurrect a character with something like 6 minutes of screentime and two lines in two different movie. The only thing Bobba had going for him was a cool armor and pretty much every single Mandalorian since then has an equally or even cooler suit.
BTW, is it me or does the Armorer was a former supporter of Darth Maul during the brief time he ruled over Mandalore?
Escaping the Sarlacc is one of my big EU eyerolls right up there with IG88 literally becoming Death Star II and using his newfound power to prank Palpatine.
I will never understand the "finality" of dying in the Sarlacc pit. For someone without rocket propulsion, sure, it would be darn-near impossible to escape. But Boba has a jet-pack. He could just jump outta there. He would have been protected from the expolsion of Jabba's barge, which may well have killed the Saclacc creature, or at the very least severed most of the tentacles, making such an escape all the easier for Boba.
So even ignoring some of Legend's zaniness, it's perfectly plausible that Boba got out. In fact, I'm arguing that it's LESS likely that he didn't.
Galef wrote: I will never understand the "finality" of dying in the Sarlacc pit. For someone without rocket propulsion, sure, it would be darn-near impossible to escape. But Boba has a jet-pack.
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Is that the same jetpack that Han damaged, causing him to lose control, and fall into that very same Sarlacc pit?
Galef wrote: I will never understand the "finality" of dying in the Sarlacc pit. For someone without rocket propulsion, sure, it would be darn-near impossible to escape. But Boba has a jet-pack.
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Is that the same jetpack that Han damaged, causing him to lose control, and fall into that very same Sarlacc pit?
Yep. Damaged, not destroyed. Could still be used, we don't know how SW jetpacks work.
The more important factor, IMO is did the Sarlacc survive the Barge explosion? That looked like it cause quite a bit of damage to the surrounding dune. So if the Saclacc is dead, or it's tentacles destroyed, even without a functioning jetpack, Boba could get out. But if his jetpack is functional, it's a no-brainer.
Galef wrote: Yep. Damaged, not destroyed. Could still be used, we don't know how SW jetpacks work.
The more important factor, IMO is did the Sarlacc survive the Barge explosion? That looked like it cause quite a bit of damage to the surrounding dune. So if the Saclacc is dead, or it's tentacles destroyed, even without a functioning jetpack, Boba could get out. But if his jetpack is functional, it's a no-brainer.
Galef wrote: I will never understand the "finality" of dying in the Sarlacc pit. For someone without rocket propulsion, sure, it would be darn-near impossible to escape. But Boba has a jet-pack.
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Is that the same jetpack that Han damaged, causing him to lose control, and fall into that very same Sarlacc pit?
Yep. Damaged, not destroyed. Could still be used, we don't know how SW jetpacks work.
The more important factor, IMO is did the Sarlacc survive the Barge explosion? That looked like it cause quite a bit of damage to the surrounding dune. So if the Saclacc is dead, or it's tentacles destroyed, even without a functioning jetpack, Boba could get out. But if his jetpack is functional, it's a no-brainer.
We might see in a couple weeks. Or not
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If the jetpack still functioned at all, Boba should have been easily able to recover and use to avoid falling in in the first place. Even if it just unexpectedly turned it on, he would be able to recover. The fact he didn't shows it was critically damaged.
I think the idea that its just a hole in the ground you can fly out of kind of removes any real threat to it. I mean, if its not really sucking you down into a real digestive system that's not somewhat resilient to damage, its not a very effective execution. I mean, you're just giving people 1000 years to have a friend throw down a rope.
Galef wrote: Yep. Damaged, not destroyed. Could still be used, we don't know how SW jetpacks work. The more important factor, IMO is did the Sarlacc survive the Barge explosion? That looked like it cause quite a bit of damage to the surrounding dune. So if the Saclacc is dead, or it's tentacles destroyed, even without a functioning jetpack, Boba could get out. But if his jetpack is functional, it's a no-brainer.
We might see in a couple weeks. Or not
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Thats not how sphincters work my dude.
Um...what do sphincters have to do with this? Where is it confirmed the Saclacc is one? It just looks like an open hole in the ground with spikes, tentacles and later a giant beak. All very fleshy and susceptible to death upon explosion. But it's 'stomach' contents may very well have been protected by said explosion and simple climbed out later.
My point is the Fett-man is PLAUSIBLE still around and kicking 5 years after RotJ and therefore could be our mystery man with spurs at the end of the Gunsilnger episode
Grey Templar wrote: If the jetpack still functioned at all, Boba should have been easily able to recover and use to avoid falling in in the first place. Even if it just unexpectedly turned it on, he would be able to recover. The fact he didn't shows it was critically damaged.
There are dozens of movies in which the McGuffin is damaged temporarily and takes several moments to "reactivate". Do you even movie, bro! Boba didn't "fix" his pack until after the Sarlacc was dead/incapacitated and could get out
LunarSol wrote: I think the idea that its just a hole in the ground you can fly out of kind of removes any real threat to it. I mean, if its not really sucking you down into a real digestive system that's not somewhat resilient to damage, its not a very effective execution. I mean, you're just giving people 1000 years to have a friend throw down a rope.
Which is why it is so important to realize that the Sarlacc probably DIED when Jabba Barge exploded right above it, thereby allowing Boba and potentially other victims to escape just off screen as our heroes left the scene.
Wow, you guys really, REALLY hate Boba and want him so dead that his soul doesn't even exist in the SW afterlife. Your hate has blinded you to some very simple explanations that ARE plausible, so I'll have to agree to disagree then.
Yes the Sarlacc burps, so yes, Boba was "ingested". But that actually SUPPORTS that he would have been protected from the barge explosion. Even unprotected prey animals can survive a limited time in the bellies of predators (assuming they weren't killed before being swallowed) and Boba has armour with presumable has an air supply. We see Sabine Ren in Rebels walk in Space with here armour, so Boba was probably just fine inside the Sarlacc (albeit being slowly digested)
It's very, very unlikely that Boba died just by getting swallowed. So if the Sarlacc died (which I believe it did), he just has to climb out, or jet pack out if he got that working again.
But good on you for inventing an elaborate fantasy involving a fictional character that you apparently can’t function without, then turn around and accuse others who doubt that fantasy of inventing an elaborate conspiracy to kill off that character.
It has a beak now and that beak closed around him and swallowed him. Having a jet pack to fly out of a spiky hole isn't even on the table any more. Bobba would need to climb through a giant alien sand squid things digestive tract while it's every muscle was crushing him and pushing him farther down.
I find it extremely unlikely that the Sarlacc was killed by that, relative to the Sarlacc, kinda small explosion.
The vast bulk of the Sarlacc's body is underground, all ~100 meters of it. The explosion of the barge barely disrupts the surface of the sand dunes. The absolute worst the Sarlacc is going to suffer from that is some minor surface injuries, and it still got many meals out of the incident as well.
Boba definitely wouldn't have died immediately. He would have survived a while inside it protected by his suit. But his armor is not fully enclosed, so he's still going to be paralyzed and slowly digested. And even if it was a fully enclosed suit the Sarlacc would have no hope of digesting, he's still going to be unable to move or use any of his gear. Doomed to die of either starvation or asphyxiation, whichever comes first. His only choice would be to try and trigger a thermal detonation and end his suffering.
Grey Templar wrote: I find it extremely unlikely that the Sarlacc was killed by that, relative to the Sarlacc, kinda small explosion.
Even if the Sarlaac did die in the explosion, for Boba to escape alive he would have to survive the crshing strength of the gut of a giant monster and that the death of the monster would have stopped the contraction in an open position with the Sarlaac mouth's still wide open and of course that the hole itself wasn't closed by the strenth of the explosion, debris and sand as the monster died. Then, after all this, Boba finds himself alone, without vehicle, most certainly injured, in the heart of Tatooine desert. It would take a pretty incredible level of luck for him to be alive.
This is the same setting where you can unknowingly land a full-size Corellian YT-1300 cargoship with room to spare in a creature's esophagus, walk around long enough to recognize your mistake, and fly out again nearly unmolested. You can also escape from giant ice monsters about to eat you, giant sewer worms trying to eat you, giant reptile monsters about to eat you, and live through being entirely encapsulated in metal. And we're not even outside the OT yet!
I have never questioned Boba Fett's ability to survive the Sarlacc because it's literally established canon that you can easily escape such predicaments if you're a named character. I don't think there's an eyeroll gif in the world that could fully represent my feelings towards "Fett MUST be dead" arguments
Lets review:
Darth Maul - literally cut in half and falls down a seemingly endless pit, pieces bouncing off the sides. Totally fine, just needs robot legs built from spare scrap and some counseling.
"Yeah, that's fine"
Boba Fett - uninjured, he lazily rolls down offscreen into an open sand pit that won't kill you for 1000 years that has tentacles that'll release you immediately if shot with a blaster, still has full armor and weaponry and a jetpack that may or may not be broken
"IT BURPED!! HE'S DEAD!! NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY SURVIVE THAT!!!"
What's with all this "crushing strength" and instant death non-sense? 3PO states outright that it would take 1000 years to digest and that you'd feel pain and suffering the whole time. So even if that's an exaggeration, the POINT was that you DO NOT DIE instantly by being swallowed by the Sarlacc.
Ergo, Boba is unlikely to have been instantly killed by just being swallowed. Combined with the almost certain incapacitation of the Sarlacc (whether by being killed, temporarily knocked out or at the VERY least the tentacles and beak being blown off) it is POSSIBLE, even PLAUSIBLE that Boba made it out of that sticky situation.
I am not saying this 100% happened, nor would I bet money on it. I'm just saying that ** IF ** Disney wanted him to be alive in the same era as the Mando, it would be easy and hardly an "elaborate fantasy"
Kalamadea wrote: This is the same setting where you can unknowingly land a full-size Corellian YT-1300 cargoship with room to spare in a creature's esophagus, walk around long enough to recognize your mistake, and fly out again nearly unmolested. You can also escape from giant ice monsters about to eat you, giant sewer worms trying to eat you, giant reptile monsters about to eat you, and live through being entirely encapsulated in metal. And we're not even outside the OT yet!
I have never questioned Boba Fett's ability to survive the Sarlacc because it's literally established canon that you can easily escape such predicaments if you're a named character. I don't think there's an eyeroll gif in the world that could fully represent my feelings towards "Fett MUST be dead" arguments
Lets review:
Darth Maul - literally cut in half and falls down a seemingly endless pit, pieces bouncing off the sides. Totally fine, just needs robot legs built from spare scrap and some counseling.
"Yeah, that's fine"
Boba Fett - uninjured, he lazily rolls down offscreen into an open sand pit that won't kill you for 1000 years that has tentacles that'll release you immediately if shot with a blaster, still has full armor and weaponry and a jetpack that may or may not be broken
"IT BURPED!! HE'S DEAD!! NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY SURVIVE THAT!!!"
But keep telling yourself your make believe space friend, whose sole purpose for existence was to die an ignominious death, is alive if it makes you feel better.
Lance845 & Sterling191. I think both of you are being woefully unreasonable. In canon? Yeah Boba is dead....for now. I accept that. If this mystery character does not turn out to be Boba, cool, whatever. I don't even think it will be, if I'm honest. That's be too fan-servicey
But I don't agree that it 100% DEFINITIVELY CANNOT be Boba. It's still a VALID theory that can be supported by the movie's own IN CANON logic (just not so much real-world logic, even though I don't; personally see issues there either). I'll admit Boba's probably dead. I just want either or both of you to be reasonable enough to admit (with the movies logic) that Boba COULS be alive, even if the slimmest chance exists
I'd be fine if they canonized Boba Fett being alive, but really messed up. Like, Vader levels of messed up- requiring cybernetics to stay alive, limiting much of his capabilities and forcing him to find a way to adapt in order to become effective again.
However, George Lucas let anyone with a typewriter crank out Star Wars books, as long as he got his royalties. Then, after letting people turn much of the EU into an absolute cringe-fest (let's be honest, some of it was awesome but a lot of it was trash), he would randomly make sweeping declarations that directly contradicted everything he "approved" in the past (Basically, he read the material like people read EULA's) and when writers had to work around Lucas' declarations and creative ventures- it made the EU worse.
I only thought about that because I remember the book about Boba Fett surviving, "Tales from Jabba's Palace"- and pretty much everything except the Boba Fett story made Twilight seem like a literary classic.
I'm not saying Fett surviving is a good or a bad thing, it's just silly to assume he can't come back. This is basic Pulp sci-fi, serials-style storytelling. This is Buck Rogers or Flash Gordan. It's like assuming the villain that fell over the cliff is actually dead. No, he's gonna be back next episode. They always come back next episode. Maybe he'll have an eyepatch. That's how it works.
And I'm not saying Fett CAN'T be dead, he can be whatever the writers write him to be. I just find the insistence that he MUST be dead to be an inherently silly argument that's inconsistent with the rest of setting.
But I don't agree that it 100% DEFINITIVELY CANNOT be Boba. It's still a VALID theory that can be supported by the movie's own IN CANON logic (just not so much real-world logic, even though I don't; personally see issues there either).
I'll admit Boba's probably dead. I just want either or both of you to be reasonable enough to admit (with the movies logic) that Boba COULS be alive, even if the slimmest chance exists
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I will be utterly disappointed if he somehow turns out to be Boba Fett. I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe he could be Fett, especially since the showrunners have gone out of their way to distinguish his look from Fett's. That would be awful, awful storytelling of the kind of "Mystery Box!" crap that JJ Abrams used to try to pull, maybe even bad M Night Shyamalan levels.
Kalamadea wrote: And I'm not saying Fett CAN'T be dead, he can be whatever the writers write him to be. I just find the insistence that he MUST be dead to be an inherently silly argument that's inconsistent with the rest of setting.
This right here says my meaning way better than all my previous posts combined. I think I started defending a point I wasn't even trying to make.
As for there being no setup for Boba? Showrunners denying a character being in a show or movie is a well known tactic if they want that character to be a surprise. So I wouldn't be disappointed at al if mystery dude is Fett.
Fett, afterall was originally supposed to be Clint Eastwood in space. Down to the cowboy spurs noise as he walked and everything. Lucas doubled down on this theme by making Jango a quick draw Gunslinger (which is coincidentally the name of the last episode).
As the Mando is very clearly a Western, introducing the original SW Cowboy would not be out of place at all.
But I also agree with Lance and Kalamadea that Boba is BOTH the cartoon serial bad guy that
A) is there purely to get defeated by the good guys and
B) can be written back for the next "episode"
And if the Mando needs a good foil for a season cliff hanger, Boba is not the worst choice. Even though a new character would seem to be preferred by the majority of this thread
StraightSilver wrote: His hands - his fingers are the only part of him seen beneath his armour and they are severely scarred and swollen.
He's wearing yellow gloves. I'm fairly sure he hasn't taken them off at any point so far.
His armour - when we first see the Mando the only parts of his armour that are Beskar are his helmet and his pauldron, both of which are unpainted. This suggests that he either is a new recruit building up his armour, or he is replacing lost armour.
They explain right at the start that Beskar is really scarce. So his original armour was not Beskar, and he replaces it as he gets enough.
The Beskar being unpainted is just to accentuate that it is Beskar. There's no particular reason the armourer wouldn't have painted it, or he wouldn't have done it himself during downtime, if he had wanted it painted.
His gear - he has a rifle identical to the one Fett had in the holiday special, and his blaster looks very similar to one of the paired blasters that Jango Fett used.
The fact that he's using Mandalorian weapons isn't a clue that he's Boba Fett.
His memories - in flasback scenes we see him as a small child, his parents trying to save him but being killed in the process. This does not fit Boba Fett's backstory.It does however fit Jango Fett's back story, who's parents were murdered on Concord Dawn before he was rescued as a foundling. Boba Fett is Jango Fett's clone - so shares his memories. The flashback scenes are not the Mandalorian's memories, but the memories of his "father".
Was there ever a suggestion that Boba has his father's memories? That's not an automatic part of the cloning process, and I don't recall it being a thing in Boba's case. More likely not to be, in fact, since Jango wanted an unmodified clone that he could raise as a son.
And no, the flashbacks don't mesh with Jango's backstory either, thanks to the super battle droid.
Interaction with other Mandalorians - at least once the armourer refers to the Mando as "someone of your station" but in a seemingly reverential way, suggesting he is not some raw recruit but someone of standing. He is also in a cell with Paz Vizla. The Vizla clan raised Jango Fett.
I think you're reading too much into an off-the-cuff remark here. And given that Boba was regarded as an outsider by the Mandalorians at large, it doesn't fit anyway.
Tattooine - he has obviously spent time there as he knows the area well and is fluent in Tusken. This doesn't mean he is Boba Fett though so this one is flimsy. However if the Mandalorian had never been there we would know it wasn't him.
He's a bounty hunter. He's would have spent a lot of time in the outer rim.
Mos Eisley Space Port - the Mandalorian in episode 5 sits in exactly the same spot Solo sat in when he shot Greedo.
I'm not sure what that has to do with Boba Fett. He wasn't in that scene. It's just a wink at Ep4.
One liners - in episode 5 the Mandalorian uses Boba Fett's classic line "She's no good to us dead"
Recycling lines has been a staple of Star Wars dialogue since forever. It's not an indication that the Mando is Boba any more than all the people who say 'I've got a bad feeling about this' are the same person.
Galef wrote: Lance845 & Sterling191. I think both of you are being woefully unreasonable.
In canon? Yeah Boba is dead....for now. I accept that. If this mystery character does not turn out to be Boba, cool, whatever. I don't even think it will be, if I'm honest. That's be too fan-servicey
But I don't agree that it 100% DEFINITIVELY CANNOT be Boba. It's still a VALID theory that can be supported by the movie's own IN CANON logic (just not so much real-world logic, even though I don't; personally see issues there either).
I'll admit Boba's probably dead. I just want either or both of you to be reasonable enough to admit (with the movies logic) that Boba COULS be alive, even if the slimmest chance exists
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Yes. They could always work some Star Wars Mcguffin-ism in there to explain how he escaped the Sarlacc. But until we actually are told that we shouldn't be assuming that its possible.
What is absolutely certain is that the Mando is NOT Boba. That is 100% ironclad. They are very clearly different. Especially since Lucas went out of his way to be clear that the Fetts are NOT Mandalorians. They're just thieves who stole some Mandalorian armor and weapons. Our main character is definitely a Mandalorian. He was raised from childhood by his Clan for crying out loud. No way could Boba surreptitiously insert himself into a clan that way.
Lance845 wrote: I hope the mystery character is the blackened husk of Greedo so we can see him get shot and killed a second time. Hopefully double blackened.
Does that mean the Mando would have shot first? :O
insaniak wrote: I suspect that in a few years people are going to look back at most of the post-TLJ releases and notice that they're all very safe and by-the-numbers, to avoid a repeat of all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth that happened when they tried to step outside the box. Which is a shame, but it is what it is.
They were safe before TLJ. TFA couldn't've been more safe if you tried.
I also reject the notion that TLJ got crap for trying to step out of the box. It got gak on because it was just plain bad.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I also reject the notion that TLJ got crap for trying to step out of the box.
Which, again, wasn't actually what I said. I merely pointed out that the time they tried to step outside the box it didn't go the way they expected it to, not that the 'stepping outside the box' was the specific reason for that outcome.
It's like saying 'the one time I went to the cinema, a brick fell on my head, so I'm not going to the cinema again'... Going to the cinema wasn't actually what left a dent in my skull, but I still don't want to go back there.
Ok, new Mando has aired. Significant improvement over last week, and we get introduced to a wide range of characters. Lot of familiar faces (Clancy Brown, Bill Burr) and some people others might recognise (like Natalia Tena, and Richard Ayoade). The three cameos at the end (and the NR trooper) are a nice touch. Filoni's fingers are all over this one.
Baby Yoda remains the cutest thing in the universe.
Overall I was worried that this would just be a typical heist, but halfway through it changes into something very different.
Cool action. Droid's a'plenty. Knives being thrown anywhere. Beskar still impenetrable. Baby Yoda still awesome.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Overall I was worried that this would just be a typical heist, but halfway through it changes into something very different.
It went exactly as I expected it would.
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Werent those X Wings a bit trigger happy? Like, they didn’t question How the tracking beacon got from the prison transport to that station, just shoot first?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Overall I was worried that this would just be a typical heist, but halfway through it changes into something very different.
It went exactly as I expected it would.
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Werent those X Wings a bit trigger happy? Like, they didn’t question How the tracking beacon got from the prison transport to that station, just shoot first?
Liked the new episode a lot, Mando looks like a very scary foe in this one. He certainly took a few pages out of the slasher genre.
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though I was surprised he didn't kill anybody, including the demon looking giant.
To answer your question:
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I don't think they were trigger happy. They fired quickly because they basically launched a fighter as they arrived so they had a good justification to fire away. You don't want to engage in a dangerous dogfight if you don't need to.
I have a question. How the feth to Twileks put on their hats?
Like physically.
Their leku head tentacles go off in 2 45degree angles. There is no zipper or buttons or stitching around the tentacle holes. How the hell do they put it on?
insaniak wrote: Leku are highly flexible, and soft. So it's likely not much different from putting on gloves.
Yeah, Flexible and soft to a point. I am talking about the base of them. The hat itself has 2 holes that are perfectly set up to go around the leku fairly tight and each one points in a different direction. This isn;t like gloves where your finger can point in the same direction. This is more like holding your thumb straight out to the side and your pointer strait forward. Pretend if you want that your fingers are basically jelly and can bend in towards the middle. Cool. But you are STILL going to reach a point where somehow the holes are going to have to point in 2 entirely different directions to get snug at the base. Unless the Twileks skull/the base of the leku/top of thier scalp are ALSO made of jelly that allows someone to take the 2 leku and squish them together at the base so they touch there is just no way to get the damn hat on.
insaniak wrote: Leku are highly flexible, and soft. So it's likely not much different from putting on gloves.
Yeah, Flexible and soft to a point. I am talking about the base of them. The hat itself has 2 holes that are perfectly set up to go around the leku fairly tight and each one points in a different direction. This isn;t like gloves where your finger can point in the same direction. This is more like holding your thumb straight out to the side and your pointer strait forward. Pretend if you want that your fingers are basically jelly and can bend in towards the middle. Cool. But you are STILL going to reach a point where somehow the holes are going to have to point in 2 entirely different directions to get snug at the base. Unless the Twileks skull/the base of the leku/top of thier scalp are ALSO made of jelly that allows someone to take the 2 leku and squish them together at the base so they touch there is just no way to get the damn hat on.
You seem to be assuming that the leku can't move, which is not the case. Also, as HBMC pointed out, stretchy fabric exists. As do concealed fasteners.
Look at that gak and explain it. Those things can move by sliding around the skull into different positions? bs.
Practically, it's an effects thing. It's easy to hide the prosthetic in special effects with a hat so there is no seam to cover up. In universe that gak was sewn onto her head.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Overall I was worried that this would just be a typical heist, but halfway through it changes into something very different.
It went exactly as I expected it would.
Spoiler:
Werent those X Wings a bit trigger happy? Like, they didn’t question How the tracking beacon got from the prison transport to that station, just shoot first?
Liked the new episode a lot, Mando looks like a very scary foe in this one. He certainly took a few pages out of the slasher genre.
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though I was surprised he didn't kill anybody, including the demon looking giant.
To answer your question:
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I don't think they were trigger happy. They fired quickly because they basically launched a fighter as they arrived so they had a good justification to fire away. You don't want to engage in a dangerous dogfight if you don't need to.
I still think they jumped the gun a little. Like ya pop out of warp on their doorstep, pass a ship that’s leaving, and see them already in the process of launching a fighter. They have no idea who’s who or where. Their immediate response is just start shooting. They don’t just shoot the fighter before it launches, they also continue additional strafing runs. Apparently you can just drag the New Republic into whatever conflicts/get them to kill people for you by stealing/cloning that homing beacon and dropping it off places.
I agree slightly about the X-wings being trigger-happy, but it depends on what intelligence they had - if the knew the station was a pirate / crime syndicate base it might be better to shoot first and ask questions later.
It would have been nice to see a U-wing or other troop carrier with them, implying an actual rescue mission.
I agree slightly about the X-wings being trigger-happy, but it depends on what intelligence they had - if the knew the station was a pirate / crime syndicate base it might be better to shoot first and ask questions later.
It would have been nice to see a U-wing or other troop carrier with them, implying an actual rescue mission.
Really didnt get that;
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The tracking device thing is incase of takeover or attack presumably, X-wings track it to the base and just start shooting? Guess they really don't care about the possibility of rescuing captives etc. Doesn't seem a very New Republic thing to do but I guess it looked cool...
I agree slightly about the X-wings being trigger-happy, but it depends on what intelligence they had - if the knew the station was a pirate / crime syndicate base it might be better to shoot first and ask questions later.
It would have been nice to see a U-wing or other troop carrier with them, implying an actual rescue mission.
Really didnt get that;
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The tracking device thing is incase of takeover or attack presumably, X-wings track it to the base and just start shooting? Guess they really don't care about the possibility of rescuing captives etc. Doesn't seem a very New Republic thing to do but I guess it looked cool...
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There might have been info coded into the beacon as well. The hot button on a high risk, high security prisoner transport might be screaming “We have been overrun by dangerous criminals who CANNOT be allowed to escape. Collateral damage is acceptable; the only crew are droids"
So when the x-wings see a fighter launching, they go hot.
I agree slightly about the X-wings being trigger-happy, but it depends on what intelligence they had - if the knew the station was a pirate / crime syndicate base it might be better to shoot first and ask questions later.
It would have been nice to see a U-wing or other troop carrier with them, implying an actual rescue mission.
Really didnt get that;
Spoiler:
The tracking device thing is incase of takeover or attack presumably, X-wings track it to the base and just start shooting? Guess they really don't care about the possibility of rescuing captives etc. Doesn't seem a very New Republic thing to do but I guess it looked cool...
Spoiler:
There might have been info coded into the beacon as well. The hot button on a high risk, high security prisoner transport might be screaming “We have been overrun by dangerous criminals who CANNOT be allowed to escape. Collateral damage is acceptable; the only crew are droids"
So when the x-wings see a fighter launching, they go hot.
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Also like to point out they weren't in "attack position" until they identified a gunship coming out to meet them, aka hostile intent. They went into a hot situation, which meant ROE were going to be pretty loose as it was, and then the target they were investigating showed hostile intent. I saw nothing wrong with the actions they took. An emergency beacon from a prison ship, in a pirate space station, with a gun ship moving out at them. Fire away bubba's.
Didn't Mando say it was some sort of red alert button that would call in the Republic to destroy the ship and not a rescue beacon? If the button were pressed it meant something went horribly wrong and the authorities would assume it was an attack in progress then respond as if that were the situation.
Didn't Mando say it was some sort of red alert button that would call in the Republic to destroy the ship and not a rescue beacon? If the button were pressed it meant something went horribly wrong and the authorities would assume it was an attack in progress then respond as if that were the situation.
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that is correct, except it wasnt mando that said that. It was the republic officer, "egghead".
To be honest I was a little disappointed with this episode, it seemed like things were coming to a head with the bounty hunting episode's ending with the guy checking out the corpse, with it implying it was an agent or merc working for Gus Fring's empire group. So having a weird prison breakout episode (as much as I like the cameos from all the different actors) that doesn't really expand that much on the Mandos past besides learning he worked with garbage outlaws and banged an ugly twi'lek. I mean they only have 2 episodes left so no more filler please for me lol.
Grimskul wrote: I mean they only have 2 episodes left so no more filler please for me lol.
Generally speaking, it would be tradition for a TV show to have it's final episode split into two. I doubt we will have more "filler" or "episode of the week" if htere are to be only height episode (unless there are 9 with 8 being seperated in part 1 and 2)
Grimskul wrote: I mean they only have 2 episodes left so no more filler please for me lol.
Generally speaking, it would be tradition for a TV show to have it's final episode split into two. I doubt we will have more "filler" or "episode of the week" if htere are to be only height episode (unless there are 9 with 8 being seperated in part 1 and 2)
With Chapter 7 airing on Wednesday (to give space for Rise of Skywalker on Friday), I'd agree that it's likely part 1 of the finale. With Chapter 8 coming Dec 27, it's a good week and a half between 7 & 8 which is the longest between episodes. Perfect to build anticipation.
Grimskul wrote: I mean they only have 2 episodes left so no more filler please for me lol.
Generally speaking, it would be tradition for a TV show to have it's final episode split into two. I doubt we will have more "filler" or "episode of the week" if htere are to be only height episode (unless there are 9 with 8 being seperated in part 1 and 2)
With Chapter 7 airing on Wednesday (to give space for Rise of Skywalker on Friday), I'd agree that it's likely part 1 of the finale. With Chapter 8 coming Dec 27, it's a good week and a half between 7 & 8 which is the longest between episodes. Perfect to build anticipation.
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I would also expect these episodes to be a little bit longer than the others (which have varied from 30 to 40 minutes so far).
the mandalorian has also been "inconstant" in it's episode length so I'd not be at all suprised to see a extra long season finale, I also suspect that the season finale will tie in a lot of episodes we've dismissed as "just filler" I remember when SW rebels had aired thinking some episodes where "just filler" only for Filoni to have the season finale make them suddenly massivly important. I'd not be suprised if the Mandalorian did that too.
My predictions for the season finale are (spoiler'd to avoid spoiling the entire season)
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We're going to have the 'big bad' assmble an elite team to take down the Mando, we'll discover that this was the individual we saw approuch Fennic Shand at the end of episode 5. The rest of the team'll consist of Mayfield, Zi'an and Burg, episode 7 says an old foe of the Mandalorians offers to make peace with him so... we'll see how that factors in, we might also see Cara Dune show up to help the Mando.
evidance suggests I might be right, Mando just assmbled his team in episode 7. and all I gotta say is... GOD DAMNED CLIFF HANGER ENDINGS! well The Mandalorian just assured itself as the show thats gonna be talked about over christmas dinner
So I’m hoping we don’t get another Duex Ex Mandalorian Clan again to save him. That would feel rather cheap to happen twice. Rather I’m expecting the obvious IG 11 one droid rescue crew. The ship ramp was lowered, and he’ll find his “dad” dead, and go off to avenge him/help the others. This also gives Mando his teachable moment about how droids aren’t all evil and stuff and they’ll have their heart warming bonding moment. Then something will go wrong and IG 11 will self detonate to save Mando/The Child/Everyone.
So I’m hoping we don’t get another Duex Ex Mandalorian Clan again to save him. That would feel rather cheap to happen twice. Rather I’m expecting the obvious IG 11 one droid rescue crew. The ship ramp was lowered, and he’ll find his “dad” dead, and go off to avenge him/help the others. This also gives Mando his teachable moment about how droids aren’t all evil and stuff and they’ll have their heart warming bonding moment. Then something will go wrong and IG 11 will self detonate to save Mando/The Child/Everyone.
Sounds about right. The show's been nicely enough done so far though that I'm ok if it does turn out to be as predictable as the previous few episodes.
Also, I would pay cash money to watch a series of 'Cara Dune: Warrior Princess Gun for Hire'...
So I’m hoping we don’t get another Duex Ex Mandalorian Clan again to save him. That would feel rather cheap to happen twice. Rather I’m expecting the obvious IG 11 one droid rescue crew. The ship ramp was lowered, and he’ll find his “dad” dead, and go off to avenge him/help the others. This also gives Mando his teachable moment about how droids aren’t all evil and stuff and they’ll have their heart warming bonding moment. Then something will go wrong and IG 11 will self detonate to save Mando/The Child/Everyone.
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I'm thinking either the Republic turn up in force, or a lone Jedi / Sith does - drawn to the Child.
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How did Greef Karga (Carl Weathers) and his goons get to the meeting point? Did the Imperials drop them off or did they just walk there?
Absolutely amazing television. I am really loving the commander in TIE pilot armor- I've never seen that before. -
How in the galaxy has Greef managed to build a business? He seems to betray even more frequently than the other bounty hunters/dealers we've seen- he's just not as good at it.
I guess the guild has a "We won't betray you unless you betray us first" clause?
Anyway, that was harrowing.
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Just wiping out the client and all his Stormies with a barrage of Death Trooper fire? Yikes. Then all the pristine Stormies show up (I love that that old toy is now a vehicle in SW, and it "holds" troops just like the toy did).
And then this "Moff Gideon" character, who appears to have a slight limp, is wearing TIE fighter garb (weird for a Moff) and has a fancy TIE/ln. Very cool.
I have no idea how they're going to get out of this. I do hope it's not another Deus Ex Mando.
I loved the two lazy Scout Troopers who just didn't seem to really care, lounging on their bikes like it was the most boring assignment ever.
I don't see Manda and his friends getting out of there without the help of his Tribe considering the number of enemies or a small army from the Republic...that or Luke Skywalker shows up (but that's unlikely at best. I also wonder what happens to baby Yoda. I doubt he dies so I wonder where he is in the new trilogy timeline...(tough he is probably still a baby even then).
regarding the TIE, it might not be a personalized TIE, it might just be how TIE's are intended to land, (we see something similer with the Inqusitior's TIE in Rebels) while it's long been assumed they landed on their solar panels if you look closely at the curvature of them it's not practical. and folding wings to vent heat is a wiiidely eistablished SW trope (the ARC-170, the Actis Interceptor and the X-wing all do that)
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as for how they get out, I'm gonna guess that the Moff once he's got what he wants...... leaves. it's an idiotic decision but I suspect he really doesn't feel threatened by Mando
BrianDavion wrote: regarding the TIE, it might not be a personalized TIE, it might just be how TIE's are intended to land, (we see something similer with the Inqusitior's TIE in Rebels) while it's long been assumed they landed on their solar panels if you look closely at the curvature of them it's not practical. and folding wings to vent heat is a wiiidely eistablished SW trope (the ARC-170, the Actis Interceptor and the X-wing all do that)
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as for how they get out, I'm gonna guess that the Moff once he's got what he wants...... leaves. it's an idiotic decision but I suspect he really doesn't feel threatened by Mando
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Considering he has an army, including a full unit of Death Troopers, well a single Mandalorian, a chubby bounty hunter guild leader and an ex-commando aren't all that scary. You need some metaknowledge of the genre to know this is a rave mistake. He also doesn't know about the assassin droid which, from what we could see is about as deadly as half the droid army of the prequels.
BrianDavion wrote: regarding the TIE, it might not be a personalized TIE, it might just be how TIE's are intended to land, (we see something similer with the Inqusitior's TIE in Rebels) while it's long been assumed they landed on their solar panels if you look closely at the curvature of them it's not practical. and folding wings to vent heat is a wiiidely eistablished SW trope (the ARC-170, the Actis Interceptor and the X-wing all do that)
We've had quite a lot of examples of regular TIEs landing on their solar panels elsewhere. Not sure what curvature you're talking about - the bottom edge of the solar panel is flat.
I think that troop carrier that the stormtroopers got out of was one of the same model seen in several episodes of Rebels. So yet another callback to that series.
I think that troop carrier that the stormtroopers got out of was one of the same model seen in several episodes of Rebels. So yet another callback to that series.
Well yes but its provenance is much older than that:
Yes. The one in rebels was a callback to the original toy vehicle, and an inspiration to get it redone (Hasbro released a newer model of it a couple of years back).
And since Filoni is also affiliated with this project (as well as Jon Favreau being a ginormous SW nerd), these tie-ins are to be expected.
BrianDavion wrote: regarding the TIE, it might not be a personalized TIE, it might just be how TIE's are intended to land, (we see something similer with the Inqusitior's TIE in Rebels) while it's long been assumed they landed on their solar panels if you look closely at the curvature of them it's not practical. and folding wings to vent heat is a wiiidely eistablished SW trope (the ARC-170, the Actis Interceptor and the X-wing all do that)
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as for how they get out, I'm gonna guess that the Moff once he's got what he wants...... leaves. it's an idiotic decision but I suspect he really doesn't feel threatened by Mando
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Considering he has an army, including a full unit of Death Troopers, well a single Mandalorian, a chubby bounty hunter guild leader and an ex-commando aren't all that scary. You need some metaknowledge of the genre to know this is a rave mistake. He also doesn't know about the assassin droid which, from what we could see is about as deadly as half the droid army of the prequels.
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doesn't take metaknowledge to know leaving the Mando alive would be a mistake. Going by what we know of him we know he was willing to throw away a promising career to save this child. We know He's got an entire Mandalorian Tribe out there (while I don't belive they'll help him out if I was the Moff I'd not take that for granted) thus it's reasonable to belive that if if just walks away he could be attacked by an entire tribe of Mandalorians, even if he was confident he could take them on a win (and he's a Moff so he may have considerable resources, so I can TOTALLY belive he's comfortable with it) it'd likely cost him resources, resources he likely can't replace too easily. So yeah if he villian monologues and leaves the Mando "the the igonamity of defeat" he's an idiot
Still no idea who our mystery "cowboy" is from the end of Chapter 5? I'm now convinced it cannot be Moff Gideon. I replayed his entrance in Chapter 7 several times and there is no "spur" sound as he walks.
Still hoping it's Boba, but there really isn't any evidence so far, other than the spur sounds from matching the Orig Trig (which, btw do not seem to be included in my Blu-Ray version of ESB or RotJ)
Regarding the TIE. This is a change to how they operate. Prior to this, all TIE/ln fighters either docked to hanging scaffolds or they landed on their wings and had ladders wheeled up to them. That said, they could say this is simply an improved version of the TIE/ln(TIE/ln mk2?) which incorporates a landing mechanism that requires less specialized facilities. The old way the TIEs landed basically made using them at any facility not designed with them in mind impossible. The Empire/remnant might have realized that was a bad idea and fixed them. A good idea for a group which lacks their old support infrastructure.
Do you think baby Yoda will become a Mandalorian foundling? While Mandalorians are technically humans, I don't think they are opposed to adopting non-human. Plus, I find the idea of a minuscule Mandalorian armor hilarious.
Do you think baby Yoda will become a Mandalorian foundling? While Mandalorians are technically humans, I don't think they are opposed to adopting non-human. Plus, I find the idea of a minuscule Mandalorian armor hilarious.
Depending on the source material, they've got zero problem adopting non-humans. If they're worthy. And maybe have proven themselves first. And if they're not stinking Jedi.
But what version of 'Mandalorians' the Mandalorian the Show is using still seems not 100% clear.
Technically there were at least one in their history. He built the darsaber and his statue is standing in their capital as seen in the Clone Wars series.
Do you think baby Yoda will become a Mandalorian foundling? While Mandalorians are technically humans, I don't think they are opposed to adopting non-human. Plus, I find the idea of a minuscule Mandalorian armor hilarious.
Depending on the source material, they've got zero problem adopting non-humans. If they're worthy. And maybe have proven themselves first. And if they're not stinking Jedi.
But what version of 'Mandalorians' the Mandalorian the Show is using still seems not 100% clear.
the "Mando's hate jedi" is mostly a result of Karen Travis being unable to let her own bias's go. In canon well.. given the weapon of the first Mandalorian Jedi became a symbol of leadership for the Mandalorian people.......
Yeah. Outside of Karen Travis the Mandalorians of the Clone Wars and Rebels seemed less "we hate Jedi" and more "we are a proud people and we don't like any of you" XD
I was thinking of the various Knights of the Old Republic games, actually. Even within them it was inconsistent, let alone with the CW series and whoever Karen Travis is.
Voss wrote: I was thinking of the various Knights of the Old Republic games, actually. Even within them it was inconsistent, let alone with the CW series and whoever Karen Travis is.
Travis was an EU writer with a real thing for Mandos. She built up her own canon around the Mandos' warrior culture, turned Boba Fett into a tragic anti-hero who took over as Mandalore and then contracted a virus that meant he could never set foot on their home planet, and then tossed her toys out of the pram in a very public fashion and quit writing Star Wars when Lucas went in a very different direction with the Mandalorians in the Clone Wars cartoon.
LordofHats wrote: Then she decided to go and gak all over Halo lore by turning the Spartans into “not Mandalorians.”
pretty much, to the point where it was clear that the lady had issues with the "geneticly engineered super solder" trope. which is fine but you'd think she'd wanna avoid writing in said settings then.
If she wrote a 40k novel it'd be a tragic story of a space marine who "cruely had his humanity stolen from him, and the the woman whom he loves"
Do you think baby Yoda will become a Mandalorian foundling? While Mandalorians are technically humans, I don't think they are opposed to adopting non-human. Plus, I find the idea of a minuscule Mandalorian armor hilarious.
Depending on the source material, they've got zero problem adopting non-humans. If they're worthy. And maybe have proven themselves first. And if they're not stinking Jedi.
But what version of 'Mandalorians' the Mandalorian the Show is using still seems not 100% clear.
Amusingly enough, there are explicit examples of Jedi becoming Mandalorians (even Neo-Crusaders). But you're spot on about them being historically a cultural construct more than anything else, which has been *very* strongly hinted at so far in this series.
LordofHats wrote: Then she decided to go and gak all over Halo lore by turning the Spartans into “not Mandalorians.”
pretty much, to the point where it was clear that the lady had issues with the "geneticly engineered super solder" trope. which is fine but you'd think she'd wanna avoid writing in said settings then.
If she wrote a 40k novel it'd be a tragic story of a space marine who "cruely had his humanity stolen from him, and the the woman whom he loves"
I wouldn't say she has an issue with engineered super soldiers per se.
Rather she seems to have a massive hate boner for *in order* Scientists, Politicians, Women who aren't badass super soldiers of some kind/don't worship badass super soldiers as gods, and everyone else.
If anything Karen Travis has a disturbing bordering on fetish like obsession with militarism. When she depicts the clone troopers and Spartans as tragic victims, it's because they're being "abused" by one of the above groups who are nearly always portrayed as borderline sociopaths in her work. It's really obvious in her Clone Commando series, where all the people around the clones are explicitly evil, irredeemable, and get what they deserve because they're using the clones as slaves. Meanwhile the Mandalorian characters (who are completely complicity in this act) are idealized because "they're awesome warrior race guys who have a code and standards and morals and stuff."
Just look at what she did to the character of Cathrine Halsey in Glasslands. Prior to Travis showing up, Halsey was a mad scientist whose only redeeming feature was that she really did care about the well being of the Spartan IIs she kidnapped, tortured, and created into inhuman super soldiers. She wasn't treated as a redeemable character, but she was a character with depth who regretted what she did and found her only solace for the act in the way the Spartans were giving humanity a chance to survive. She was notable for never referring to the Spartans as "Recruits, trainees, or candidates." She continually insisted that everyone recognize that they were children, because what they were doing was wrong and she knew it. The real villains, if any, were ONI and the UNSC government who were operating a shadowy military junta that was completely okay with kidnapping and inhuman experimentation and showed zero remorse for this fact.
When Travis showed up to write the lore, Halsey's character does a complete 180 into a sociopathic Dr. Mengle who feels no remorse, the ends justify the means, and who broke all the rules to torture children in her mad science to 'evolve a new humanity.' That ONI and the UNSC government are effectively a military dictatorship vanishes entirely, because Travis has a fetish obsession with militarism and doesn't see a shadow government run by an insane military with no accountability as a problem relative to that evil scientist Dr. Halsey.
She would certainly depict a Space Marine as tragic, but she'd do it by showing how evil everyone else in the Imperium is. Inhuman acts are completely evil when paper pushes, scientists, and not-soldiers are doing them, but when a soldier does them its because they're "awesome warrior race guys with morals and stuff" so she'd really just end up writing a book about renegade space marines who rant and whine about how abused they are while purging the galaxy of everyone who isn't them.
Rather she seems to have a massive hate boner for *in order* Scientists, Politicians, Women who aren't badass super soldiers of some kind/don't worship badass super soldiers as gods, and everyone else.
If anything Karen Travis has a disturbing bordering on fetish like obsession with militarism.
Pretty much this. She's had stints in both the Territorial Army and the Navy Auxiliary in the UK, and apparently pretty much only dates soldiers in her personal life. Also her twitter feed is...well, as the kids say these days, Yikes. She's one racial epithet away from joining the BNP.
Honestly it was surprising when I actually looked her up, I genuinely didn't believe the person who told me the above initially, I've never seen an author so transparently insert their IRL beliefs into a fiction before without that being the whole point of said fiction.
Yodhrin wrote: Honestly it was surprising when I actually looked her up, I genuinely didn't believe the person who told me the above initially, I've never seen an author so transparently insert their IRL beliefs into a fiction before without that being the whole point of said fiction.
Fantasy and science-fiction have a very rich history of "insert their IRL beliefs" in their work. Just look at the fascist fantasy of Starship Trooper, the transparant biblical references of the Chronical of Narnia, the anti-authoritarian and anti-religious stance of the early day 40K (back when it was pure parody), the anti-imperalist and anti-corporation stance of Star Wars, etc. Most science fiction writers include a large portion of their own political beliefs in their work.
The issue with Travis is that she generally takes the works of others and twists them around to support her IRL beliefs. If she were to ever bother writing anything original I’d just call her a crypto-fascist, but no. She seems to have a very limited interest in producing anything herself and much prefers writing thinnly veiled and disturbing commentary on other media while giving her commentary something that might be called a plot.
Which is such a damn waste. She has rather capable prose.
Yodhrin wrote: Honestly it was surprising when I actually looked her up, I genuinely didn't believe the person who told me the above initially, I've never seen an author so transparently insert their IRL beliefs into a fiction before without that being the whole point of said fiction.
Fantasy and science-fiction have a very rich history of "insert their IRL beliefs" in their work. Just look at the fascist fantasy of Starship Trooper, the transparant biblical references of the Chronical of Narnia, the anti-authoritarian and anti-religious stance of the early day 40K (back when it was pure parody), the anti-imperalist and anti-corporation stance of Star Wars, etc. Most science fiction writers include a large portion of their own political beliefs in their work.
The key bit missing there is "so transparently". There's zero attempt to craft a convincing narrative that can be read as supporting a particular PoV, like LordofHats says she just comes in, starts writing for an IP, and suddenly all scientists are evil, all politicians irredeemably corrupt and venal, and all military dudes are cool and honourable and good and pure.
Most science fiction writers aren't hacks.
Like, compare anything she's written to the Culture novels. Iain Banks was definitely being political with those books, without question, but they were A; original works and so he had free reign in constructing characters and places that made the political aspects seem like an organic part of the story, and B; good. When I read a book by Traviss, by contrast, I don't see the story being told, I see her, sitting at her desk, seething about Jeremy Corbyn or a Daily Mail article about how a man was insufficiently deferential to the Queen or whatever, because the stories being told always are her, more than they're anything else.
Maybe Rise of Skywalker is trying to drop a hint...
...Baby Sidious? Complete with his own adorable little Deathstar MKII Chair and spooky window to stare out of, cursing Yoda's return to foil his plans once more!
Watching the start of the episode I swore maybe it was some kind of fake decoy episode to troll people with. That opening was stupid and hilarious and I loved it.
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What is the Dark Sabre? That’s not a thing I know.
What is the Dark Sabre? That’s not a thing I know.
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The Darksabre is a unique and ancient black-bladed lightsabre crafted by the first Mandalorian to join the Jedi Order.
It was eventually stolen back by the Mandos, and has popped up a few times in their history, often as the weapon of whomever ruled Mandalore.
In more recent Star Wars-related properties, Pre Vizsla (voiced by Jon Favreau), a descendant of the original Mandalore who was a Jedi, had the weapon and used it in an attempted coup of Mandalor during the Clone Wars. After the coup, Darth Maul killed Pre and took the sabre for himself. He used it to fight against Darth Sidious when the Sith Lord came looking for (and defeated) his old apprentice. Maul eventually escaped and reclaimed the Darksabre, using it quite a bit after that.
Somehow the blade ended back up on Dathomir, and fell into the hands of Sabine Wren, a Mandalorian who was part of a cell of the Rebellion. After various events, Sabine gave the sabre to Bo-Katan Kryze, who would then go on to lead Mandalore, like many who wielded the Darksabre before her.
And then somehow it fell into Moff Gideon's hands. We'll have to see how that came about.
The cold open was just *chef kiss* perfection. By the time IG-11 showed up I half expected to hear a voiceover of "Troops is filmed on location, with the men of the Imperial Forces!" and then Bad Boys kick in
Gideon is such a pompous gak, he's brilliant. And the Darksaber? feth a duck, Favreau better be planning to give us a proper look at the Great Purge in season 2, and they'll be missing a trick if they don't have Katee Sackhoff doing a live action version of Bo-Katan in the flashbacks.
Also, an update on the TIE - it's not a retcon, regular TIE/ln still land on their panels/in cradles, this is specifically the "Outland TIE". Whether it's intended to be a custom job for the Moff or a post-Endor rework by one of the leftover Imperial factions that the nucanon supplementary material has been until now trying to insist don't exist, who knows. It's apparently based on some early Force Awakens concept art.
What is the Dark Sabre? That’s not a thing I know.
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The Darksabre is a unique and ancient black-bladed lightsabre crafted by the first Mandalorian to join the Jedi Order.
It was eventually stolen back by the Mandos, and has popped up a few times in their history, often as the weapon of whomever ruled Mandalore.
In more recent Star Wars-related properties, Pre Vizsla (voiced by Jon Favreau), a descendant of the original Mandalore who was a Jedi, had the weapon and used it in an attempted coup of Mandalor during the Clone Wars. After the coup, Darth Maul killed Pre and took the sabre for himself. He used it to fight against Darth Sidious when the Sith Lord came looking for (and defeated) his old apprentice. Maul eventually escaped and reclaimed the Darksabre, using it quite a bit after that.
Somehow the blade ended back up on Dathomir, and fell into the hands of Sabine Wren, a Mandalorian who was part of a cell of the Rebellion. After various events, Sabine gave the sabre to Bo-Katan Kryze, who would then go on to lead Mandalore, like many who wielded the Darksabre before her.
And then somehow it fell into Moff Gideon's hands. We'll have to see how that came about.
basicly to give a clumsy comparison
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the dark saber is basicly the Mandalorian Excalibur
Fantastic end to a really very good series! Just a shame that we have to wait for ages for the next season.
Wasn't too keen on the DS stuff but that was only a minor niggle, nice to see that they fleshed out the backstory more (okay, to be honest I enjoyed watching Mando's blowing stuff up...). The only thing the series really lacked for me was spaceships, a retooled G1-A, some X-Wings, a modified TIE/ln and a few other ships just were not enough.
The last episode was pretty damn good and the entire first season of the Mandalorian makes it one of the best thing produced in the Star Wars franchise.
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It's a bit sad to know that the rebellion on Mandalore was completely crushed and that not only has their last Manda'lor, Bo-Katan, died but the darksaber fell into Imperial hands. It's also a bit weird that the Armorer's knowledge of the Jedi comes from the distant war between Mandalorian and Jedi and not from the fact one of their leaders was Jedi or that less than 10 years ago, two Jedi helped Mandalore rebel and gave the darksaber to Bo-Katan. She really is out of the loop (though she might genuinly be unaware of such details). I'm still hoping for a tiny Yoda Mandalorian-Jedi mix in a future Star Wars material. That thing is just to hilarious not to be.
Yeah the whole "Jedi are unknown" thing doesn't make a lot of sense. The fact that a whole galaxy filled with species that live far longer than humans forgot about the Jedi in about 18-ish years just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Yeah the whole "Jedi are unknown" thing doesn't make a lot of sense. The fact that a whole galaxy filled with species that live far longer than humans forgot about the Jedi in about 18-ish years just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
Then again it might be because we, the audience, are biased in this matter. Jedi and Sith are massively important in the narrative of all Star Wars material, but realistically speaking there were only a few thousand of them at best in the last days of the Republic where the Order was supposed to be at its zenith. For the average person in the galaxy, you never see Jedi or Force users. You might hear crazy stories about them and even disbelieve their powers, thinking they are exagerations and myths. In Core planets where Jedi were more numerous or often seen they are probably well known, but in remote planets like the ones in which the show takes place, they might indeed be a unknown a bit like the term Navy Seals rings a bell to pretty much everybody in the Western World, but might be completely unknown to some Masai dude in Tanzania.
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there is one other thing that bugs me though. If the Armorer can basically kill five stormtrooper with a hammer like they are a bunch of children and that the other Mandalorians were similarly equipped and talented as The Mandalorian, how many stormtrooper did it take to kill about 15-20 of them? Did they really had like 150 or so stormtrooper at hand and then some? It's possible, but I didn't thought they had this much resources.
there is one other thing that bugs me though. If the Armorer can basically kill five stormtrooper with a hammer like they are a bunch of children and that the other Mandalorians were similarly equipped and talented as The Mandalorian, how many stormtrooper did it take to kill about 15-20 of them? Did they really had like 150 or so stormtrooper at hand and then some? It's possible, but I didn't thought they had this much resources.
Yeah, I didn’t care for that either. Especially the lack of bodies or how the whole scene was set up. I’d rather they had simply left, due to the need to relocate to a new hiding place.
H.B.M.C. wrote: They were the commanders of an army that fought a galaxy-spanning war. How can people not know they existed?
Plus - the "May the Force be with you" was used by the Rebel Alliance. How had Cara Dune not heard of it before?
People say "bless you" when someone sneezes, but might be a smidgen surprised and disbelieving if Jesus reincarnated right in front of them. It's been well established by now that the Rebellion was much larger than what we saw on-screen in the OT, and outside of Saw's Partisans and Massassi Group most of their soldiers would only know Luke or maybe Kanan from stories. A lot of people may have known a religious order called Jedi existed, or fought in the wars, or were accused of betraying the Emperor etc etc, but still be a complete cynic when it comes to the actual existence of force powers, or have no knowledge the Jedi were supposed to have had them.
Honestly the way they're pushing the "most people think the Jedi are a myth" thing is IMO an unequivocal good thing, because it serves to make the galaxy feel bigger for once. Between the "Skywalker(*cough* Palpatine *cough*) Saga" focus of the movies and Jar Jar Abrams' terrible sense of time & scale, Star Wars was beginning to feel pretty cramped and incestuous.
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Why bother setting up an E-Web when you have the turret on the transport?
Theatrics.
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The "impact" of the transport was in its arrival and belching out all the STs. The E-Web being carted in and a big show of it being set up grabs the attention of both Mando & co and the viewers, and primes them for Gideon's preening speech.
I'm liking it for the first few episodes that I have gotten to binge so far. Gotta say, I have a serious crush on the Rebel Shocktrooper. She's as good looking as she is a badass!
I thought Vader spent the years between episode 3 and episode 4 butchering all traces of the Jedi? I also thought the Empire spent a decent amount of effort actively suppressing Jedi history?
Doesn't episode 4 start with Luke not knowing what the Jedi or the force is? So I don't think your average galactic citizen gets much education on Republic history with regards to the force or jedi.
You have to remember that Mandalor is an entire planet. The vast majority of the people in a city don't have direct knowledge of a major event in the city and will learn about it second hand. For any one Mandalorian to not know much more about the Jedi then they are sorcerers is pretty normal, especially if neither of the 2 people (again, on the entire planet) came over to talk to her or broadcast generic messages about their religion all over the place, which the jedi don't do.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: They were the commanders of an army that fought a galaxy-spanning war. How can people not know they existed?
Do you know the names of every field commander in WW II?
There were a lot of commanders running around doing a lot of things and mostly people spent their time trying to not get pulled into the war and/or not getting shot.
there is one other thing that bugs me though. If the Armorer can basically kill five stormtrooper with a hammer like they are a bunch of children and that the other Mandalorians were similarly equipped and talented as The Mandalorian, how many stormtrooper did it take to kill about 15-20 of them? Did they really had like 150 or so stormtrooper at hand and then some? It's possible, but I didn't thought they had this much resources.
Yeah, I didn’t care for that either. Especially the lack of bodies or how the whole scene was set up. I’d rather they had simply left, due to the need to relocate to a new hiding place.
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I assumed it was the Death Troopers that flushed out the Mandalorians. You see one get shot then stand up and start punching the Mando. So if you're Moff Gideon and you're crushing a nest of Mandos and have experience with them. You'll probably send your toughest baddest dudes.
That's kind of how I feel, too. Must be the most effective information deletion campaign ever.
No one remembers anything about the Jedi barely two decades later, but odds are some kid in Iowa knows at least something about the Spartans, 2,500 years ago.
AegisGrimm wrote: That's kind of how I feel, too. Must be the most effective information deletion campaign ever.
No one remembers anything about the Jedi barely two decades later, but odds are some kid in Iowa knows at least something about the Spartans, 2,500 years ago.
Yeah, there's the matter of scale too. Even in the days of the Old Republic, with the Jedi Council, it seemed like entire planets could go without ever seeing a Jedi, or at most see 1 or 2. We're a generation or two past that, and a relentless effort to stamp them out, vilify them and suppress them- when they weren't too popular to start with. Half rumored, poorly understood sorcerors is about the best case scenario.
As you said, we know of the Spartans, like we'd know of the Republic army or battle droids- but how many people would put any stock in an Oracle's prophecy, or someone who claimed to be a demigod, who was born after their mom was assaulted by Zeus as a Swan?
Even in their time they were miraculous, shadowy figures. Now they are at best, mysterious legends.
Lance845 wrote: Do you know the names of every field commander in WW II?
Who said anything about names? And if there had been wizards with glowing swords leading every army in WWII you can be damned sure we'd remember that.
Well, I know "Mad Jack" Churchill, who "was a British Army officer who fought in the Second World War with a longbow, bagpipes, and a Scottish broadsword".
Lance845 wrote: Do you know the names of every field commander in WW II?
Who said anything about names? And if there had been wizards with glowing swords leading every army in WWII you can be damned sure we'd remember that.
People don't disbelieve lightsabers. They disbeliever the wizards bits. Remember. 1) they were all traitors. 2) Propaganda campaign that says they couldn't do what they said they could do.
2 people that were on an entire planet were labeled liars and traitors by the galactic government. Again, people don't think the holocaust happened in real life and we have photographs, videos, testimonials of people who were there and survivors of it, and written records by the nazis. It's not hard to say these no named religious fanatics that were acting as field commanders and were traitors that then got wiped out were liars and couldn't do what their crack pot religion claims they could do.
Regardless, unlike the Holocaust which was before many, many adult's births, tons of people during a New Hope would have been alive during the waning days of the Jedi, and would have heard of them all over the Galactic Social Media sources, as they were first shown the Big Damn Hero generals of the clone wars fighting the evils of the CIS, and then publicly decried by the head of the Galactic Senate as the Giant Villains That We Should All Blame Because They Tried To Assassinate Me.
More backwater people in the Mandalorian seem know about a small declining warrior culture than people would know about Jedi, right after a war that used the Jedi's main creed as a blessing. But during the time of the Mandalorian, his people basically went into the shadows a longer time ago compared to the show than the Jedi would have died out compared to a New Hope.
The main problem I have is that really, in Star Wars, there should be stories of Force Sensitive people randomly discovering their powers during times of stress all over the galaxy, superhero-style, especially after the Empire stopped being able to suppress such things. It's not like being Force sensitive stopped being a thing when a Religious cult using those people became extinct. Lucasfilm themselves have made it a matter of biology.
AegisGrimm wrote: Regardless, unlike the Holocaust which was before many, many adult's births, tons of people during a New Hope would have been alive during the waning days of the Jedi, and would have heard of them all over the Galactic Social Media sources, as they were first shown the Big Damn Hero generals of the clone wars fighting the evils of the CIS, and then publicly decried by the head of the Galactic Senate as the Giant Villains That We Should All Blame Because They Tried To Assassinate Me.
More backwater people in the Mandalorian seem know about a small declining warrior culture than people would know about Jedi, right after a war that used the Jedi's main creed as a blessing. But during the time of the Mandalorian, his people basically went into the shadows a longer time ago compared to the show than the Jedi would have died out compared to a New Hope.
The main problem I have is that really, in Star Wars, there should be stories of Force Sensitive people randomly discovering their powers during times of stress all over the galaxy, superhero-style, especially after the Empire stopped being able to suppress such things. It's not like being Force sensitive stopped being a thing when a Religious cult using those people became extinct. Lucasfilm themselves have made it a matter of biology.
But people still know OF the Mandalorians without really knowing anything ABOUT the Mandalorians. Unlike the Jedi, who had the population of a small town the Mandalorians had the population of an entire planet + some. People think Mandalorians are a race. The Ugnott tells Mando early on that his ancestors rode the gibberish-word beasts. Not knowing that Mando wasn't from Mandalore. The Bounty Guild dude had to be told that Mandalorians are not a race. It's a creed. Because Mandalorians are not actually understood. Like Spartans they are a legendary warrior culture with symbols that make them stand out. Primarily the helmet and armor.
The best anyone understands the Mandalorians is "Ah, Mandalorians. Legendary fighters." No more details then that. And the best anyone understands the Jedi is "Ah Religion. Crazy weirdos."
Just got caught up with this show and its gonna be long wait for season two.
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The Darksaber and Deathwatch making an appearance feels like they are prepping the audience to go full Filoni verse in season two. I would not be surprised to see actual characters from Clone wars and Rebels in the future(live action Hondo would be great, especially if they could get Taki to direct the episode). And speaking of which, that scene at the end of ep5? IIRC Cade Bane had spurs, is he still around?
GoatboyBeta wrote: Just got caught up with this show and its gonna be long wait for season two.
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The Darksaber and Deathwatch making an appearance feels like they are prepping the audience to go full Filoni verse in season two. I would not be surprised to see actual characters from Clone wars and Rebels in the future(live action Hondo would be great, especially if they could get Taki to direct the episode). And speaking of which, that scene at the end of ep5? IIRC Cade Bane had spurs, is he still around?
In one of the unreleased episodes that was made before the Clone Wars was scrapped (and subsequently brought back), Boba gets his trademark burnmark on his helmet from going high noon one on one against Cad Bane. Spoilers, Cad Bane gets killled by Boba. So it's highly unlikely he's alive, given that this happened under Filoni as well.
Trope-filled and Campy to the extreme, and I'm pretty sure they beat the stormtroopers-killed/minute high score. Not totally unexpected, but not quite to the level of competency the series showed elsewhere. Was expecting Moff Gideon to offer up some tasty chicken, I really like this actor as a bad guy, but it came off really a bit too campy to work for me in the same way as I've seen him do villainy elsewhere. Aside from that, it was some entertaining whizbangery, I didn't hate it. The series as a whole was solid.
The mandalorian's initial armour looks a lot like a concept bounty hunter from the "1313" live action show that had been mooted a few years before Disney bought Lucasfilm.
chromedog wrote: The mandalorian's initial armour looks a lot like a concept bounty hunter from the "1313" live action show that had been mooted a few years before Disney bought Lucasfilm.
Wasn't 1313 a video game about playing a bounty hunter?
Just saw the finale and while I liked it very much, the series as a total only gets a solid MEH! (6-7/10) from me.
I like western. I also own the complete Lone Wolf Assassin manga.
So western in Space is OK with me, and if it fits one character, it is the lone bounty hunter.
The Mandalorian clearly has a single, strong vision, made by a fan for the fans, and for the fan service alone I should be happy.
Still, I realized at one point, "If this was not Star Wars, I would have switched off some time ago".
Maybe it is the short Episode format that breaks it? The missing epicness of it all? The over-formulaic tropes? The missing character conflicts and development? The "rinse and repeat"-structure of every episode (bar the finale)? The weak character writing? (My god, was Episode 5 horrible..) That every second episode felt like a filler? The very underwhelming score?
It is Star Wars, and caters to the fans without insulting them, and I am relieved that not every new Disney Star Wars has to be a clustergakk of corporate incompetence.
But if this was not Star Wars, let's say, a spin-off of Serenity, I would have switched off before the end of the season.
So I hope they can improve on structure and character development in Season 2. And score.
And at least there's less then a year to go for season 2 as well.
Going to be a long 9 (+/-) months though...
Indeed. Especially since we STILL don't know who the mystery figure is from the end of Chapter 5. I'm sure it wasn't Moff Gideon since:
A) he did not have spur sounds as he walked in Chapter 7 & 8 and
B) it would be weird for him to be on Tatooine, alone, sneaking around in the shadows
Still really hoping for it to be Boba Fett as a Season 2 villain, but with Filoni at the helm, I could easily see it being Cade Bane.
Well, Mando couldn't hack it when Moff Badguystache was just using a pistol. It's perfectly set up for one of the periphery force users to step in once he whips out his shadowblade. Ahsoka or Ezra are the most likely folks to pop in, unless he goes badguy triple cross and some Darth Mauled's legs come back with a robot body.
That's fine, but if the Mando gets 2, 3, 4 or more seasons, it 100% makes sense to have Boba in at LEAST 1 episode. And by "makes sense" I don't just mean from a narrative "it could happen" or "it should happen because X" (though I do mean those as well) but mainly from a fan service, Disney would generate TONS of free publicity and merchandising opportunities, standpoint.
There are loads of Boba fans out there, whether some people like him or not, or want hi to stay dead. Disney would miss an opportunity by not having him show up EVENTUALLY.
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And with the Dark Saber making an appearance, they are clearly not afraid to dip into the larger lore. The Dark saber is so unique, it may as well be a character at this point
That's fine, but if the Mando gets 2, 3, 4 or more seasons, it 100% makes sense to have Boba in at LEAST 1 episode. And by "makes sense" I don't just mean from a narrative "it could happen" or "it should happen because X" (though I do mean those as well) but mainly from a fan service, Disney would generate TONS of free publicity and merchandising opportunities, standpoint.
There are loads of Boba fans out there, whether some people like him or not, or want hi to stay dead. Disney would miss an opportunity by not having him show up EVENTUALLY.
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And with the Dark Saber making an appearance, they are clearly not afraid to dip into the larger lore. The Dark saber is so unique, it may as well be a character at this point
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He's dead. He's boring. He's dead boring.
They created a character 100x more interesting than a throw-away background character. No reason to feth up continuity and storytelling just to jam in an almost visually identical dead guy with no personality or plot relevance, especially not for the sake of jamming him in.
BrotherGecko wrote: I thought Vader spent the years between episode 3 and episode 4 butchering all traces of the Jedi? I also thought the Empire spent a decent amount of effort actively suppressing Jedi history?
Doesn't episode 4 start with Luke not knowing what the Jedi or the force is? So I don't think your average galactic citizen gets much education on Republic history with regards to the force or jedi.
To be fair, Luke came across as pretty clueless and ignorant in general.
Also to be fair, the whole point of using the Callow Youth (and Farmboy) trope is so you have someone for the other characters to explain at so the _audience_ can learn things.
He's dead. He's boring. He's dead boring. They created a character 100x more interesting than a throw-away background character. No reason to feth up continuity and storytelling just to jam in an almost visually identical dead guy with no personality or plot relevance, especially not for the sake of jamming him in.
Will have to disagree, but I would also think that all of you that seem to HATE Boba, or even the IDEA of Boba popping up in some new SW would relish the thought of Boba showing up specifically as a foil that Din Djarin defeats, thereby proving that he is the superior Mando (which we all know already, but it would be cool to see)
Heck, you could even have Din make a comment or reference to Boba not being a true Mando. I find it really hard to believe that someone could LOVE Din Djarin as the Mando, yet completely HATE Boba. Din is basically a "competent" version of Boba, complete with Boba's ORIGINAL look for the holiday special. His armour even sometimes has a chameleon chrome look that gives it a teal appearance, like Boba's original scene. That pronged disintegrator is pulled directly from Boba's debut
Having Boba be a minor antagonist for an episode or 2 just seems like the BEST of both worlds -You get to bring back Boba for the fans (like me) who want him to show up and -You get to see him get his butt kicked by a superior Mando
Mostly what we hate is that every other word out of you in this thread is "ZOMG BOBA FETT".
Fett was an interesting concept (albeit for completely ludicrous reasons) in the early days that ended up being mercilessly slaughtered by Lucas in the prequel trilogy and tie in material. Let. Him. Stay. Dead.
The story works perfectly fine without him, and bringing him back would serve no purpose beyond spanking off a very small and noisy minority that frankly doesnt deserve to be catered to.
Sterling191 wrote: Mostly what we hate is that every other word out of you in this thread is "ZOMG BOBA FETT".
Congrats. I am now done with this thread.
Just wanted to have a discussion about a particular character and have been repeatedly shot down. Hint taken. Good bye
What is the Dark Sabre? That’s not a thing I know.
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The Darksabre is a unique and ancient black-bladed lightsabre crafted by the first Mandalorian to join the Jedi Order.
It was eventually stolen back by the Mandos, and has popped up a few times in their history, often as the weapon of whomever ruled Mandalore.
In more recent Star Wars-related properties, Pre Vizsla (voiced by Jon Favreau), a descendant of the original Mandalore who was a Jedi, had the weapon and used it in an attempted coup of Mandalor during the Clone Wars. After the coup, Darth Maul killed Pre and took the sabre for himself. He used it to fight against Darth Sidious when the Sith Lord came looking for (and defeated) his old apprentice. Maul eventually escaped and reclaimed the Darksabre, using it quite a bit after that.
Somehow the blade ended back up on Dathomir, and fell into the hands of Sabine Wren, a Mandalorian who was part of a cell of the Rebellion. After various events, Sabine gave the sabre to Bo-Katan Kryze, who would then go on to lead Mandalore, like many who wielded the Darksabre before her.
And then somehow it fell into Moff Gideon's hands. We'll have to see how that came about.
Calling it now.
Not all Mandolorians are dead, and sometimes they take off their helmets.
He's dead. He's boring. He's dead boring.
They created a character 100x more interesting than a throw-away background character. No reason to feth up continuity and storytelling just to jam in an almost visually identical dead guy with no personality or plot relevance, especially not for the sake of jamming him in.
Will have to disagree, but I would also think that all of you that seem to HATE Boba, or even the IDEA of Boba popping up in some new SW would relish the thought of Boba showing up specifically as a foil that Din Djarin defeats, thereby proving that he is the superior Mando (which we all know already, but it would be cool to see)
Heck, you could even have Din make a comment or reference to Boba not being a true Mando.
I find it really hard to believe that someone could LOVE Din Djarin as the Mando, yet completely HATE Boba. Din is basically a "competent" version of Boba, complete with Boba's ORIGINAL look for the holiday special. His armour even sometimes has a chameleon chrome look that gives it a teal appearance, like Boba's original scene. That pronged disintegrator is pulled directly from Boba's debut
Having Boba be a minor antagonist for an episode or 2 just seems like the BEST of both worlds
-You get to bring back Boba for the fans (like me) who want him to show up and
-You get to see him get his butt kicked by a superior Mando
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You don't have to hate Boba to want to keep him out of this. In fact, those who love Boba Fett have the most reason not to want to see him overused, ruined, contorted, and trotted out for marketing purposes. Let the mysterious stranger stay mysterious and strange.
Also, your idea that Mando fans would be happy to see the two characters have a ...helmet...measuring contest is troubling. That's a weird and limiting idea of how fiction works and an insulting view of the fandom.
He's dead. He's boring. He's dead boring.
They created a character 100x more interesting than a throw-away background character. No reason to feth up continuity and storytelling just to jam in an almost visually identical dead guy with no personality or plot relevance, especially not for the sake of jamming him in.
Will have to disagree, but I would also think that all of you that seem to HATE Boba,
No hate, just exactly what I said. There isn't any reason to throw a dead, throwaway character into a series for the lulz.
Especially not when this series is has potential, and the movies (which do this kind of simplistic marketing junk constantly) are pretty bad from a storytelling perspective. This kind of Look, look! See, see! (brandish action figure) is destructive to a good story.
Right. Just do what builds the best story. Not a never ending conga line of cameos for because. What purpose does Boba, whos dead, serve to this story?
Cameos can be fun and can even drive the story if done well.
Fan service is a thing, and so far the show has done a good job giving it to us in a way that didn’t feel forced or obnoxious.
Hutt Pet Rat on a Stick? Freezing folks for transport? Ice cream maker? Disintegrations? Droids left over and stuck on a planet since ANH? A no-droids allowed bar now being run by droids? Cocky guy in the same booth?
How many people are doing to watch Clone Wars and Rebels and how many are more excited about the coming season or Clone Wars because of the appearance of a saber?
d-usa wrote: Cameos can be fun and can even drive the story if done well.
A "cameo" or live action version of Bo-Katan or Sabine Wren who be more appropriate since either of them could be alive and be pertinent to the story since both of them wielded at some point the darksaber. To make a cameo of Bobba Fett, one would have to explain how he survived his apparent death in Return of the Jedi and doesn't have the excuse of Palpatine of being one of the most powerful Sith in history. Ironically they could even make the reveal that the Armorer is actually one of them in some sort of self-imposed exile and penitence. To my surprise, she didn't die in the last episode.
Mando Season 2 will feature Mando on a side quest to stop Boba from manufacturing Death Sticks to raise the credits needed to pay for his treatment to cure the cancer he got from prolonged exposure to Sarlacc digestive juices.
If they HAD to do Boba Fett I'd rather them borrow some elements of the comic twin engines of destruction and have it come up that Boba Fett is ambushing Mandalorians in an attempt to reconstruct his suit.
I really dug the whole series... I just hope it doesn't turn into a "Mandalorian&BabyYoda" teamup. In Season 2, find Baby Yoda's home and start up a new story.
In last ep, I really enjoyed the two speeder troopers. Them trying to shoot at a can and failing to hit it was hilarious.
Chewie wrote: I really dug the whole series... I just hope it doesn't turn into a "Mandalorian&BabyYoda" teamup. In Season 2, find Baby Yoda's home and start up a new story.
I wonder if we will get a Mark Hamil cameo as Luke Skywalker. There isn't any other Jedi than him and his students anyway.
I wonder if we will get a Mark Hamil cameo as Luke Skywalker. There isn't any other Jedi than him and his students anyway.
Oh you sweet summer child. There's always another Jedi (or Sith, or non-traditional Force user of highly variable alignment) hiding in the next cave over if a story requires it.
Lance845 wrote: Right. Just do what builds the best story. Not a never ending conga line of cameos for because. What purpose does Boba, whos dead, serve to this story?
I'm not 100% but I believe Kathleen went on record stating that Boba is not dead and will make an appearance in future star wars media.
BrianDavion wrote: didn't Brie Larson indicate an intreast in doing SW? I vaguely recall some people suggesting she could play ashoka.
God no. Please no. She was awful in CM.
I'll second that, she's just outstandingly bland and couldn't really even hide the 'think of the money' face in Marvel (which is an okay(ish) 3 star jape)
Yikes, she'd definitely wouldn't be able to fill in the shoes of the voice actress that does Ahsokha on the show. I can only see her grimacing when she does any one liners about the Force.
If they do live action Ahsoka I hope Ashley Eckstein actually does the role or at least gets first refusal as she may not want to do the make up but who knows.
Ahsoka would be 45 years old during the events of the Mandalorian (Ashley is 38) and Togruta have a similar lifespan to humans (although force users can live longer) so they need someone that can play an older/wiser Ahsoka role.
DaveC wrote: If they do live action Ahsoka I hope Ashley Eckstein actually does the role or at least gets first refusal as she may not want to do the make up but who knows.
BrianDavion wrote: she was fine in CM, alt-right man babies complaints aside, that said she's all wrong for Ashoka I agree.
Incel praise aside, it wasn't a good movie and she doesn't have much range. I've seen her other work. Like a dead fish talking.
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DaveC wrote: If they do live action Ahsoka I hope Ashley Eckstein actually does the role or at least gets first refusal as she may not want to do the make up but who knows.
Ahsoka would be 45 years old during the events of the Mandalorian (Ashley is 38) and Togruta have a similar lifespan to humans (although force users can live longer) so they need someone that can play an older/wiser Ahsoka role.
Ahsoka was the lady hero in Star Wars we should have gotten in the sequels.
Well to be honest the main implications of that picture being real are that there is a good chance that one of the previous owners of the dark saber could be making an appearance given the epilogue of Rebels.
But another point I have been pondering is do the Mandos just have a really really good PR department rather than actually being the bad ass warriors they say they are?
They as a race/species/nation repeatedly get there arses kicked for a few thousand years.
The 2 most famous Mando bounty hunters are allegedly not Mandos.
Most of the other competent Mandos shown in the universe are outcasts who are also not technically Mandos anymore.
When they do win a battle they still always end up on the losing side long term.
Is baby Yoda mind controlling the current Mando to turn him from ruthless bounty hunter to babysitter?
Is baby Yoda using the force to influence the Mando because he does always seem more competent when the baby Is around?
LunarSol wrote: Tim Drake thinks Batman needs a Robin to keep sharp.
That is a fair point if you don't actual give a gak about your.own safety than a sidekick to protect provides motivation to survive and succeed beyond a point they would give up or go kamikaze.
SeanDrake wrote: Well to be honest the main implications of that picture being real are that there is a good chance that one of the previous owners of the dark saber could be making an appearance given the epilogue of Rebels.
But another point I have been pondering is do the Mandos just have a really really good PR department rather than actually being the bad ass warriors they say they are?
They as a race/species/nation repeatedly get there arses kicked for a few thousand years.
The 2 most famous Mando bounty hunters are allegedly not Mandos.
Most of the other competent Mandos shown in the universe are outcasts who are also not technically Mandos anymore.
When they do win a battle they still always end up on the losing side long term.
Is baby Yoda mind controlling the current Mando to turn him from ruthless bounty hunter to babysitter?
Is baby Yoda using the force to influence the Mando because he does always seem more competent when the baby Is around?
Ah, that's just human nature! We love heroic last stands. We don't make movies about overwhelming victories, or easy combat. We like hearing about people who tried harder than anyone could reasonably be expected to, and then lost! It's why the Spartans are so famous, or the Light Brigade. Fighting impossible odds is how heroes are made, and we love the idea of warrior cultures. We just don't do it anymore- our fighters are soldiers, which make for a much more effective military force than warriors. The adopted part makes it open- that could have been me, and it makes the lifetime of devotion the Mandalorian's training represents seem attainable.
Finally got around to watching this.
Was pretty hooked!
The only thing Id say is that it was too short and I wanted more.
I have a couple questions, because my lore-fu is weaksauce and I'm also pretty busy building a buckload of Eldar things:
1.
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The events seem to be taking place shortly after the rebels victory but before Nu star wars so I assume yoda baby is not THE yoda.. Or is this a different timeline where the empire existed before etc? I assume Yodas race are just naturally gifted with he force or something?
2.
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Building on question 1. where does this fit in the timeline?
SeanDrake wrote: Well to be honest the main implications of that picture being real are that there is a good chance that one of the previous owners of the dark saber could be making an appearance given the epilogue of Rebels.
But another point I have been pondering is do the Mandos just have a really really good PR department rather than actually being the bad ass warriors they say they are?
They as a race/species/nation repeatedly get there arses kicked for a few thousand years.
The 2 most famous Mando bounty hunters are allegedly not Mandos.
Most of the other competent Mandos shown in the universe are outcasts who are also not technically Mandos anymore.
When they do win a battle they still always end up on the losing side long term.
Is baby Yoda mind controlling the current Mando to turn him from ruthless bounty hunter to babysitter?
Is baby Yoda using the force to influence the Mando because he does always seem more competent when the baby Is around?
Ah, that's just human nature! We love heroic last stands. We don't make movies about overwhelming victories, or easy combat. We like hearing about people who tried harder than anyone could reasonably be expected to, and then lost! It's why the Spartans are so famous, or the Light Brigade. Fighting impossible odds is how heroes are made, and we love the idea of warrior cultures. We just don't do it anymore- our fighters are soldiers, which make for a much more effective military force than warriors. The adopted part makes it open- that could have been me, and it makes the lifetime of devotion the Mandalorian's training represents seem attainable.
The "dying race last warrior" trope is an excellent trope! I wish there was more like it id gobble it all up. So who cares if it doesn't make sense I assume that these mandos are a sect of a wider network also. And certainly mandos aren't going to be on par with jedis for the badasses of the galaxy trophy.
Each Mando could be Kahless reborn and it wouldn’t make them win against a quadrillion clones and continent-melting turbolasers. Ten Space Marines against the entire US military will result in ten dead Space Marines, but it doesn’t mean they were any less badass for dying.
We can probably dispense with the spoiler tags by this point. I have edited the thread title.
Argive wrote: The events seem to be taking place shortly after the rebels victory but before Nu star wars so I assume yoda baby is not THE yoda.. Or is this a different timeline where the empire existed before etc? I assume Yodas race are just naturally gifted with he force or something?
Yeah, definitely not 'the' Yoda, but either a Yoda clone, a baby of the same species, or a cloned baby of the same species. We still don't know which, and nothing is known of the species beyond that there are male and female versions (see Yaddle from Ep1), they have babies, and all three examples of the species shown so far are force users.
Building on question 1. where does this fit in the timeline?
Supposedly about 5 years after RotJ. The Empire is in tatters, and the First Order is yet to be a thing.
What's up with the black light sabre dude?
It's the Darksaber. Not sure of the full story behind it, but was originally made by a Mando. It first showed up in Clone Wars, and then (I think, haven't got that far through yet) Sabine Wren had it in Rebels.
Presumably we'll find out eventually how Moff Gideon winds up with it, but probably related to the purge.
SeanDrake wrote: But another point I have been pondering is do the Mandos just have a really really good PR department rather than actually being the bad ass warriors they say they are?
They as a race/species/nation repeatedly get there arses kicked for a few thousand years.
The 2 most famous Mando bounty hunters are allegedly not Mandos.
Most of the other competent Mandos shown in the universe are outcasts who are also not technically Mandos anymore.
When they do win a battle they still always end up on the losing side long term.
Might wanna pick up some older EU stuff from prior to the trilogy. Mandos weren't big on fighting someone when it was an assured win. They deliberately fought people that could stomp them into the dirt.
And as far as Boba and Jango not being Mandos, the man that said that also decided Han shouldn't shoot first and sold his IP to someone else. He's got as much say in the current canon as I do.
Ignoring the Disney canon is easier when you're familiar with Lucas' retroactive changes that happened for no damned reason, other than it's George Lucas and he spent decades handing out free passes to write canon in his own universes for a quick buck, and he can't come to terms with it.
Kinda wish they'd have explained why. Could have been something like Mandos knowing how dangerous the galaxy was, and making it their place to kick the beehive and make sure everyone was ready for a fight at any time.
SeanDrake wrote: Well to be honest the main implications of that picture being real are that there is a good chance that one of the previous owners of the dark saber could be making an appearance given the epilogue of Rebels.
Also, since this series has shown no compunction about killing characters off, this would be a good way to wrap up Ahsoka's story...
SeanDrake wrote: Well to be honest the main implications of that picture being real are that there is a good chance that one of the previous owners of the dark saber could be making an appearance given the epilogue of Rebels.
Also, since this series has shown no compunction about killing characters off, this would be a good way to wrap up Ahsoka's story...
Plenty of story left yet rumour is that a follow up to Rebels will be announced "soon" with the focus on Sabine and Ahsoka post ROTJ. At this point only Filoni gets to decide her ultimate fate
Spoiler:
but he has already killed her before and faked out another potential death
SeanDrake wrote: Well to be honest the main implications of that picture being real are that there is a good chance that one of the previous owners of the dark saber could be making an appearance given the epilogue of Rebels.
Also, since this series has shown no compunction about killing characters off, this would be a good way to wrap up Ahsoka's story...
Unlikely as I don't think we have reached the point timeline wise that is shown in the rebels epilogue with her and Sabine, also from a fluff point of view I have seen nobody in this show capable of killing her. She survived the clone wars, the purge , the civil war and Vader she is also the living avatar of the force whatever that means and tbh that could be an issue with having her in the show she is on a power level so different to the rest of the characters shown so far. Plus she also potentially has Sabine Wren with her which while really really cool could skew the story a lot, unless the mando gets the Dark Saber and wren and tannoy train him to use it which might elevate the character from.mildly competent to interesting.
It's the Darksaber. Not sure of the full story behind it, but was originally made by a Mando. It first showed up in Clone Wars, and then (I think, haven't got that far through yet) Sabine Wren had it in Rebels.
Presumably we'll find out eventually how Moff Gideon winds up with it, but probably related to the purge.
The Darksaber was created by the first Mandalorian Jedi. It gets lost, found but generally gets regarded as a symbol of authority on the planet. In the broadest sense to avoid really spoiling anything, Sabine uses it to rally the Mandalorians in Rebels and leaves it with their leader. It's kind of the Excalibur of the Mandalorian culture. I think its pretty safe to assume that since we're told explicitly that Gideon oversaw the purge, he has it as something of a trophy and proof of dominance over the Mandalorians.
Argive wrote: The events seem to be taking place shortly after the rebels victory but before Nu star wars so I assume yoda baby is not THE yoda.. Or is this a different timeline where the empire existed before etc? I assume Yodas race are just naturally gifted with he force or something?
We've only ever seen three examples of his species and all of them have had some force connection. Though in reality this would be way too small a sample size, given that this is Star Wars its entirely possible three makes it a rule.
Building on question 1. where does this fit in the timeline?
5 years after return of the Jedi, so 9 years after New Hope.
The New Republic has existed for around 5 years and the Empire's failed last stand at Jakku happened 4 years ago. Subsequent to that the galactic concordance was signed and both sides have been disarming, with the the Empire presently in the process of splintering off into multiple small warlord factions, clandestinely siphoning off its most fanatical elements into the unknown reaches to lay the groundwork for sequel movies, and the last hardline remnants forming a rump state in the core systems administered over by the New Republic.
In turn the New Republic has disarmed itself too hard too fast and is starting its long slow fizzle.
What's up with the black light sabre dude?
He's a Moff. A sector governor, technically one rank down from what Tarkin was. That said, given the aforementioned splintering, it's also probable he's the de facto leader of this particular splinter group and answers to no one.
Presumably was in charge of the Mandalore sector and led the purges that decimated them. Which would explain why he's able to pay with Beskar and has the darksaber, a treasured Mandalorian artifact.
SeanDrake wrote: Well to be honest the main implications of that picture being real are that there is a good chance that one of the previous owners of the dark saber could be making an appearance given the epilogue of Rebels.
But another point I have been pondering is do the Mandos just have a really really good PR department rather than actually being the bad ass warriors they say they are?
They as a race/species/nation repeatedly get there arses kicked for a few thousand years.
The 2 most famous Mando bounty hunters are allegedly not Mandos.
Most of the other competent Mandos shown in the universe are outcasts who are also not technically Mandos anymore.
When they do win a battle they still always end up on the losing side long term.
Is baby Yoda mind controlling the current Mando to turn him from ruthless bounty hunter to babysitter?
Is baby Yoda using the force to influence the Mando because he does always seem more competent when the baby Is around?
Ah, that's just human nature! We love heroic last stands. We don't make movies about overwhelming victories,
A heroic last stand is an overwhelming victory. Just from the losing perspective.
Strategically speaking, its called 'you done goofed'
So I know I said I was done, but I just found a video that picked up on yet MORE evidence that the mystery man in episode 5 is Boba Fett:
So we can hear both the "gabbled beeping" from Boba in the Special edition added scene in ANH, and when he walks we hear the same spurs chinking that we hear from Boba in ESB If it isn't Boba Fett, the show makers sure are trying to make us THINK it is.
Yeah, I honestly think that theory is more likely than it being Fett. Not that I would mind seeing Fett (I do not hate the idea of him returning as much as some of the others on this thread), but I think the lost daughter angle seems a better fit for the type of stories they are likely going to want to tell. Plus, that pose on the Funko model does seem to have a bit of a "gal with some gumption" look to it.
Does that Funko have a name? If not, I could see it being an older Sabine from Rebels. Or just some random female Mando. I don't think the color palete really has any indication to a relation to Boba. Afterall, there was a Mando in the culvert in one of the early episode on the Mando that also have a Boba-esk color scheme
If it's Sabine, I could see that jiving well with the rumour about Asoka being in season 2, since the ending of Rebels had Sabine and Asoka joining up for some new mission
Finally got around to finishing this.
What a terrific little show.
Heartfelt, melancholy, interesting and funny in places, lovely pace to it and definitely captured the "old feel" of SW.
Really enjoyed it.
Quote as I read it was more the suggestion they could seed new characters into The Mando, in prep for a spin off?
Bob Iger, via DenOfGeek wrote:Iger made the comment while speaking to investors at a quarterly earnings meeting (via Variety), saying the company is exploring "the possibility of infusing [The Mandalorian] with more characters and taking those characters in their own direction in terms of series.”
So not necessarily anyone we've seen so far.
And to be honest, adding in further Scum and Villainy types, and hoping for a wider view of the underbelly could well work.
Fixed five seasons wouldn't make much sense. That is a lot of commitment for a show that could have flopped. I would find it unlikely that Disney would have gone much past 2-3 seasons up front.
It wouldn't surprise if there was a vague plan for 5 seasons along with a rough plot line (like Bablyon 5) and possibly contract option on the relevant actors
but just like Babylon 5 if the show does well they could be persuaded to extend it, and if it starts to fail a swift wrap up might happen
Maybe. I'm trying to parse Clone Wars, Rebels and the Mandalorian into the same time line in an attempt to figure out if she's roughly the right age or not. Still mostly think of Ashoka as a kid, to be honest.
Would she (and Sabine, presumably) be back from their search for wossname from Rebels at this point?
I think the biggest hurdle is making Togruta prosthetics that won't look absurd in live action.
Voss wrote: Maybe. I'm trying to parse Clone Wars, Rebels and the Mandalorian into the same time line in an attempt to figure out if she's roughly the right age or not. Still mostly think of Ashoka as a kid, to be honest.
Would she (and Sabine, presumably) be back from their search for wossname from Rebels at this point?
I think the biggest hurdle is making Togruta prosthetics that won't look absurd in live action.
Rosario Dawson is 40, Ahsoka is 45 at the time of The Mandalorian so it's a good age fit. The Mandalorian is set in 9 ABY. Ahsoka and Sabine go looking for Ezra shortly after RotJ in 4 ABY so there's a 5 year gap for them to fit in the Rebels sequel series.Sabine Wren was 16 at the start of Rebels in 4 BBY making her around 29 at the time of the Mandalorian.
