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Yeah the whole "Jedi are unknown" thing doesn't make a lot of sense. The fact that a whole galaxy filled with species that live far longer than humans forgot about the Jedi in about 18-ish years just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah the whole "Jedi are unknown" thing doesn't make a lot of sense. The fact that a whole galaxy filled with species that live far longer than humans forgot about the Jedi in about 18-ish years just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Then again it might be because we, the audience, are biased in this matter. Jedi and Sith are massively important in the narrative of all Star Wars material, but realistically speaking there were only a few thousand of them at best in the last days of the Republic where the Order was supposed to be at its zenith. For the average person in the galaxy, you never see Jedi or Force users. You might hear crazy stories about them and even disbelieve their powers, thinking they are exagerations and myths. In Core planets where Jedi were more numerous or often seen they are probably well known, but in remote planets like the ones in which the show takes place, they might indeed be a unknown a bit like the term Navy Seals rings a bell to pretty much everybody in the Western World, but might be completely unknown to some Masai dude in Tanzania.

They were the commanders of an army that fought a galaxy-spanning war. How can people not know they existed?

epronovost wrote:

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there is one other thing that bugs me though. If the Armorer can basically kill five stormtrooper with a hammer like they are a bunch of children and that the other Mandalorians were similarly equipped and talented as The Mandalorian, how many stormtrooper did it take to kill about 15-20 of them? Did they really had like 150 or so stormtrooper at hand and then some? It's possible, but I didn't thought they had this much resources.

Yeah, I didn’t care for that either. Especially the lack of bodies or how the whole scene was set up. I’d rather they had simply left, due to the need to relocate to a new hiding place.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They were the commanders of an army that fought a galaxy-spanning war. How can people not know they existed?

Plus - the "May the Force be with you" was used by the Rebel Alliance. How had Cara Dune not heard of it before?

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beast_gts wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They were the commanders of an army that fought a galaxy-spanning war. How can people not know they existed?

Plus - the "May the Force be with you" was used by the Rebel Alliance. How had Cara Dune not heard of it before?

People say "bless you" when someone sneezes, but might be a smidgen surprised and disbelieving if Jesus reincarnated right in front of them. It's been well established by now that the Rebellion was much larger than what we saw on-screen in the OT, and outside of Saw's Partisans and Massassi Group most of their soldiers would only know Luke or maybe Kanan from stories. A lot of people may have known a religious order called Jedi existed, or fought in the wars, or were accused of betraying the Emperor etc etc, but still be a complete cynic when it comes to the actual existence of force powers, or have no knowledge the Jedi were supposed to have had them.

Honestly the way they're pushing the "most people think the Jedi are a myth" thing is IMO an unequivocal good thing, because it serves to make the galaxy feel bigger for once. Between the "Skywalker(*cough* Palpatine *cough*) Saga" focus of the movies and Jar Jar Abrams' terrible sense of time & scale, Star Wars was beginning to feel pretty cramped and incestuous.

Also -

Spoiler:

Why bother setting up an E-Web when you have the turret on the transport?

Theatrics.

I'm liking it for the first few episodes that I have gotten to binge so far. Gotta say, I have a serious crush on the Rebel Shocktrooper. She's as good looking as she is a badass!

I thought Vader spent the years between episode 3 and episode 4 butchering all traces of the Jedi? I also thought the Empire spent a decent amount of effort actively suppressing Jedi history?

Doesn't episode 4 start with Luke not knowing what the Jedi or the force is? So I don't think your average galactic citizen gets much education on Republic history with regards to the force or jedi.

You have to remember that Mandalor is an entire planet. The vast majority of the people in a city don't have direct knowledge of a major event in the city and will learn about it second hand. For any one Mandalorian to not know much more about the Jedi then they are sorcerers is pretty normal, especially if neither of the 2 people (again, on the entire planet) came over to talk to her or broadcast generic messages about their religion all over the place, which the jedi don't do.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They were the commanders of an army that fought a galaxy-spanning war. How can people not know they existed?

Do you know the names of every field commander in WW II?

There were a lot of commanders running around doing a lot of things and mostly people spent their time trying to not get pulled into the war and/or not getting shot.

 AduroT wrote:

epronovost wrote:

Spoiler:

there is one other thing that bugs me though. If the Armorer can basically kill five stormtrooper with a hammer like they are a bunch of children and that the other Mandalorians were similarly equipped and talented as The Mandalorian, how many stormtrooper did it take to kill about 15-20 of them? Did they really had like 150 or so stormtrooper at hand and then some? It's possible, but I didn't thought they had this much resources.

Yeah, I didn’t care for that either. Especially the lack of bodies or how the whole scene was set up. I’d rather they had simply left, due to the need to relocate to a new hiding place.

 Lance845 wrote:
Do you know the names of every field commander in WW II?

Who said anything about names? And if there had been wizards with glowing swords leading every army in WWII you can be damned sure we'd remember that.

That's kind of how I feel, too. Must be the most effective information deletion campaign ever.

No one remembers anything about the Jedi barely two decades later, but odds are some kid in Iowa knows at least something about the Spartans, 2,500 years ago.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
That's kind of how I feel, too. Must be the most effective information deletion campaign ever.

No one remembers anything about the Jedi barely two decades later, but odds are some kid in Iowa knows at least something about the Spartans, 2,500 years ago.

I know they had Amazing abs.

A New Hope: Luke doesn’t know what Jedi are or what the Force is, Han Solo ‘knows’ it’s some hokey ancient religion.

The Force Awakens: People don’t know about Jedi or the Force, those who do dismiss it as some hokey ancient belief.

People in 2019: what do you mean people don’t know Jedi or the Force, how can nobody in Star Wars know about them?

And yet they know about the Sith...

Yeah, there's the matter of scale too. Even in the days of the Old Republic, with the Jedi Council, it seemed like entire planets could go without ever seeing a Jedi, or at most see 1 or 2. We're a generation or two past that, and a relentless effort to stamp them out, vilify them and suppress them- when they weren't too popular to start with. Half rumored, poorly understood sorcerors is about the best case scenario.

As you said, we know of the Spartans, like we'd know of the Republic army or battle droids- but how many people would put any stock in an Oracle's prophecy, or someone who claimed to be a demigod, who was born after their mom was assaulted by Zeus as a Swan?

Even in their time they were miraculous, shadowy figures. Now they are at best, mysterious legends.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Do you know the names of every field commander in WW II?

Who said anything about names? And if there had been wizards with glowing swords leading every army in WWII you can be damned sure we'd remember that.

Well, I know "Mad Jack" Churchill, who "was a British Army officer who fought in the Second World War with a longbow, bagpipes, and a Scottish broadsword".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Do you know the names of every field commander in WW II?

Who said anything about names? And if there had been wizards with glowing swords leading every army in WWII you can be damned sure we'd remember that.

People don't disbelieve lightsabers. They disbeliever the wizards bits. Remember. 1) they were all traitors. 2) Propaganda campaign that says they couldn't do what they said they could do.

2 people that were on an entire planet were labeled liars and traitors by the galactic government. Again, people don't think the holocaust happened in real life and we have photographs, videos, testimonials of people who were there and survivors of it, and written records by the nazis. It's not hard to say these no named religious fanatics that were acting as field commanders and were traitors that then got wiped out were liars and couldn't do what their crack pot religion claims they could do.

Regardless, unlike the Holocaust which was before many, many adult's births, tons of people during a New Hope would have been alive during the waning days of the Jedi, and would have heard of them all over the Galactic Social Media sources, as they were first shown the Big Damn Hero generals of the clone wars fighting the evils of the CIS, and then publicly decried by the head of the Galactic Senate as the Giant Villains That We Should All Blame Because They Tried To Assassinate Me.

More backwater people in the Mandalorian seem know about a small declining warrior culture than people would know about Jedi, right after a war that used the Jedi's main creed as a blessing. But during the time of the Mandalorian, his people basically went into the shadows a longer time ago compared to the show than the Jedi would have died out compared to a New Hope.

The main problem I have is that really, in Star Wars, there should be stories of Force Sensitive people randomly discovering their powers during times of stress all over the galaxy, superhero-style, especially after the Empire stopped being able to suppress such things. It's not like being Force sensitive stopped being a thing when a Religious cult using those people became extinct. Lucasfilm themselves have made it a matter of biology.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Regardless, unlike the Holocaust which was before many, many adult's births, tons of people during a New Hope would have been alive during the waning days of the Jedi, and would have heard of them all over the Galactic Social Media sources, as they were first shown the Big Damn Hero generals of the clone wars fighting the evils of the CIS, and then publicly decried by the head of the Galactic Senate as the Giant Villains That We Should All Blame Because They Tried To Assassinate Me.

More backwater people in the Mandalorian seem know about a small declining warrior culture than people would know about Jedi, right after a war that used the Jedi's main creed as a blessing. But during the time of the Mandalorian, his people basically went into the shadows a longer time ago compared to the show than the Jedi would have died out compared to a New Hope.

The main problem I have is that really, in Star Wars, there should be stories of Force Sensitive people randomly discovering their powers during times of stress all over the galaxy, superhero-style, especially after the Empire stopped being able to suppress such things. It's not like being Force sensitive stopped being a thing when a Religious cult using those people became extinct. Lucasfilm themselves have made it a matter of biology.

But people still know OF the Mandalorians without really knowing anything ABOUT the Mandalorians. Unlike the Jedi, who had the population of a small town the Mandalorians had the population of an entire planet + some. People think Mandalorians are a race. The Ugnott tells Mando early on that his ancestors rode the gibberish-word beasts. Not knowing that Mando wasn't from Mandalore. The Bounty Guild dude had to be told that Mandalorians are not a race. It's a creed. Because Mandalorians are not actually understood. Like Spartans they are a legendary warrior culture with symbols that make them stand out. Primarily the helmet and armor.

The best anyone understands the Mandalorians is "Ah, Mandalorians. Legendary fighters." No more details then that. And the best anyone understands the Jedi is "Ah Religion. Crazy weirdos."

Just got caught up with this show and its gonna be long wait for season two.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Just got caught up with this show and its gonna be long wait for season two.

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The Darksaber and Deathwatch making an appearance feels like they are prepping the audience to go full Filoni verse in season two. I would not be surprised to see actual characters from Clone wars and Rebels in the future(live action Hondo would be great, especially if they could get Taki to direct the episode). And speaking of which, that scene at the end of ep5? IIRC Cade Bane had spurs, is he still around?

In one of the unreleased episodes that was made before the Clone Wars was scrapped (and subsequently brought back), Boba gets his trademark burnmark on his helmet from going high noon one on one against Cad Bane. Spoilers, Cad Bane gets killled by Boba. So it's highly unlikely he's alive, given that this happened under Filoni as well.

Just caught up on the last episode

The mandalorian's initial armour looks a lot like a concept bounty hunter from the "1313" live action show that had been mooted a few years before Disney bought Lucasfilm.

 chromedog wrote:
The mandalorian's initial armour looks a lot like a concept bounty hunter from the "1313" live action show that had been mooted a few years before Disney bought Lucasfilm.

Wasn't 1313 a video game about playing a bounty hunter?

Just saw the finale and while I liked it very much, the series as a total only gets a solid MEH! (6-7/10) from me.

I like western. I also own the complete Lone Wolf Assassin manga.
So western in Space is OK with me, and if it fits one character, it is the lone bounty hunter.
The Mandalorian clearly has a single, strong vision, made by a fan for the fans, and for the fan service alone I should be happy.

Still, I realized at one point, "If this was not Star Wars, I would have switched off some time ago".

Maybe it is the short Episode format that breaks it? The missing epicness of it all? The over-formulaic tropes? The missing character conflicts and development? The "rinse and repeat"-structure of every episode (bar the finale)? The weak character writing? (My god, was Episode 5 horrible..) That every second episode felt like a filler? The very underwhelming score?

It is Star Wars, and caters to the fans without insulting them, and I am relieved that not every new Disney Star Wars has to be a clustergakk of corporate incompetence.
But if this was not Star Wars, let's say, a spin-off of Serenity, I would have switched off before the end of the season.

So I hope they can improve on structure and character development in Season 2. And score.

Well, I loved it!

And at least there's less then a year to go for season 2 as well.

Going to be a long 9 (+/-) months though...

 Alpharius wrote:
Well, I loved it!

And at least there's less then a year to go for season 2 as well.

Going to be a long 9 (+/-) months though...

Indeed. Especially since we STILL don't know who the mystery figure is from the end of Chapter 5. I'm sure it wasn't Moff Gideon since:
A) he did not have spur sounds as he walked in Chapter 7 & 8 and
B) it would be weird for him to be on Tatooine, alone, sneaking around in the shadows

Still really hoping for it to be Boba Fett as a Season 2 villain, but with Filoni at the helm, I could easily see it being Cade Bane.

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I hope it’s not Boba.