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Saw it, loved it, can't wait for the next episode.


Also (and this is especially spoilery so don't open the tag if you want to avoid):

 Galef wrote:
Saw it, loved it, can't wait for the next episode.

So I've not been keeping track, but I subscribed to D+ and expected the entire show to be available. Is this going to be a weekly thing? I'm so used to Prime and Netflix just dropping their shows all in one and thought Disney would do the same.

Is the first episode just a teaser, with the rest of the season dropping at a later date or is it going to be a weekly thing?

 Galef wrote:

RE: Helmets

Spoiler:

Regarding the helmet removal: I got the impression that's just a hearsay legend about Mandos. Even in the SW universe, they are mysterious. I get the feeling that since they are an honor-bound warrior society, they tend to keep stuff close to their chest and when "loners" go out bounty hunting, they probably do keep their helmets on all the time.

But the Mandos in Clone Wars and Rebels are either:
A) In groups, not bounty hunting
B) a splinter faction working outside the main Mando society (even though they think of themselves as "true" Mandos or
C) disillusioned members of a broken society (Sabin Ren and others)

The issue is that a large chunk of the pre-existing Mandalorian lore was jettisoned when the Legends demarcation went down, with newer material (that you've referenced) taking precedence. Depending on one's opinions on both the EU Mandos, as well as the Legends canon situation, gak gets...complicated. There are a lot of expectations out there that may or may not be grounded in the latest version of continuity.

Of the SW cultures, its always been one heavily subject to retcons and conflicting information. I never totally followed it even when I was deeply invested in the EU.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

RE: Helmets

Spoiler:

Regarding the helmet removal: I got the impression that's just a hearsay legend about Mandos. Even in the SW universe, they are mysterious. I get the feeling that since they are an honor-bound warrior society, they tend to keep stuff close to their chest and when "loners" go out bounty hunting, they probably do keep their helmets on all the time.

But the Mandos in Clone Wars and Rebels are either:
A) In groups, not bounty hunting
B) a splinter faction working outside the main Mando society (even though they think of themselves as "true" Mandos or
C) disillusioned members of a broken society (Sabin Ren and others)

The issue is that a large chunk of the pre-existing Mandalorian lore was jettisoned when the Legends demarcation went down, with newer material (that you've referenced) taking precedence. Depending on one's opinions on both the EU Mandos, as well as the Legends canon situation, gak gets...complicated. There are a lot of expectations out there that may or may not be grounded in the latest version of continuity.

I wasn't referring to EU stuff at all, only the Canon stuff, which Clone Wars and Rebels still is.
The point I was making is that: yes, Mandos take their helmets off, we've seen this IN CANON plenty of times, but for the denizens of the galaxy far, far away who AREN'T privy to seeing the movies and shows, Mandos are still a mysterious and legendary group, much like the Jedi.
So there being a "myth" in-universe that Mandos do not take off their helmet is very cool even if it isn't true

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 nels1031 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Saw it, loved it, can't wait for the next episode.

So I've not been keeping track, but I subscribed to D+ and expected the entire show to be available. Is this going to be a weekly thing? I'm so used to Prime and Netflix just dropping their shows all in one and thought Disney would do the same.

Is the first episode just a teaser, with the rest of the season dropping at a later date or is it going to be a weekly thing?

As I understand it we get another episode on friday and then one every subsequent friday.

 Galef wrote:

I wasn't referring to EU stuff at all, only the Canon stuff, which Clone Wars and Rebels still is.
The point I was making is that: yes, Mandos take their helmets off, we've seen this IN CANON plenty of times, but for the denizens of the galaxy far, far away who AREN'T privy to seeing the movies and shows, Mandos are still a mysterious and legendary group, much like the Jedi.
So there being a "myth" in-universe that Mandos do not take off their helmet is very cool even if it isn't true

I'm aware of your particular stance on continuity. It's not universal however, and is a source of considerable consternation, for better or worse.

At the end of the day, its a narrative tool that can work well if handled correctly (see: Karl Urban in Judge Dredd). It will be interesting to see how things go.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Spoiler:

 nels1031 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Saw it, loved it, can't wait for the next episode.

So I've not been keeping track, but I subscribed to D+ and expected the entire show to be available. Is this going to be a weekly thing? I'm so used to Prime and Netflix just dropping their shows all in one and thought Disney would do the same.

Is the first episode just a teaser, with the rest of the season dropping at a later date or is it going to be a weekly thing?

As I understand it we get another episode on friday and then one every subsequent friday.

Correct. It's a weekly thing. But there are only 8 Episodes (so far and according to IMDB) and I think I heard that they were already given the green light for a Season 2

If you REALLY want to binge watch all the episodes at once, you can wait until about mid-January to sing up

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On the Mando culture front, as far as Disneycanon goes all we know is they existed as a warrior culture for a long but indeterminate time, during the late period of the Galactic Republic(I think that's right? IIRC it goes The Old Republic > The Republic > Galactic Republic > First Galactic Empire > New Republic) a political movement leads to a brief period of pacifism and active neutrality, which descends into strife at the tail end of the Clone Wars, and by the period just prior to the Battle of Yavin they've become a society comprised of multiple clans with their own holdings which were nominally collectively aligned with the Empire, and some of which subsequently rose up against them and installed Bo-Katan as the new Mandalore.

So there's about a decade missing between then and the "present day" of the show.

Even Netflix has started shifting some of its content to weekly...they realized "hey some people are paying one month just to binge watch X, Y and Z". They would rather keep people on the hook for at least a few months.

 nels1031 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Saw it, loved it, can't wait for the next episode.

So I've not been keeping track, but I subscribed to D+ and expected the entire show to be available. Is this going to be a weekly thing? I'm so used to Prime and Netflix just dropping their shows all in one and thought Disney would do the same.

Is the first episode just a teaser, with the rest of the season dropping at a later date or is it going to be a weekly thing?

According to Wikipedia the next episode is Friday 15th, and then every Friday.

So I got my ol' pegleg and eyepatch back on and watched the first episode. I'll admit I was dramatically surprised by how much I liked the first episode. It was pretty awesome. I was expecting garbage, but it was actually rather solid. We'll see if the other episodes can keep it up.

 Yodhrin wrote:
On the Mando culture front, as far as Disneycanon goes all we know is they existed as a warrior culture for a long but indeterminate time, during the late period of the Galactic Republic(I think that's right? IIRC it goes The Old Republic > The Republic > Galactic Republic > First Galactic Empire > New Republic) a political movement leads to a brief period of pacifism and active neutrality, which descends into strife at the tail end of the Clone Wars, and by the period just prior to the Battle of Yavin they've become a society comprised of multiple clans with their own holdings which were nominally collectively aligned with the Empire, and some of which subsequently rose up against them and installed Bo-Katan as the new Mandalore.

So there's about a decade missing between then and the "present day" of the show.

Even then the Pacifist movement seemed to only control Mandalore, as the Protectors have been shown as participating in the Clone Wars. So its likely that other groups of Mandos broke off to do their own thing, which makes sense concidering they were supposed to be fragmented enough that those that wanted Neutrality and to be Pacifists managed to swing control (albeit not uncontested if how Satine and Obi met is any indication). Also Bo-Katan was declared Mandalore by the Anti-Empire Mandos, but was never shown being installed as Mandalore, taking control of them. So the outcome of the Mandalorian Civil War version who even knows at this point, is unknown.

Just saw episode 1.

Definitely very good. Its got the gritty Star Wars vibe that I've been craving. And what looks to be high production values to boot. Not overly reliant on CGI. And I like the story as its playing out.

This is the route that Star Wars needs to go.


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 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
On the Mando culture front, as far as Disneycanon goes all we know is they existed as a warrior culture for a long but indeterminate time, during the late period of the Galactic Republic(I think that's right? IIRC it goes The Old Republic > The Republic > Galactic Republic > First Galactic Empire > New Republic) a political movement leads to a brief period of pacifism and active neutrality, which descends into strife at the tail end of the Clone Wars, and by the period just prior to the Battle of Yavin they've become a society comprised of multiple clans with their own holdings which were nominally collectively aligned with the Empire, and some of which subsequently rose up against them and installed Bo-Katan as the new Mandalore.

So there's about a decade missing between then and the "present day" of the show.

Even then the Pacifist movement seemed to only control Mandalore, as the Protectors have been shown as participating in the Clone Wars. So its likely that other groups of Mandos broke off to do their own thing, which makes sense concidering they were supposed to be fragmented enough that those that wanted Neutrality and to be Pacifists managed to swing control (albeit not uncontested if how Satine and Obi met is any indication). Also Bo-Katan was declared Mandalore by the Anti-Empire Mandos, but was never shown being installed as Mandalore, taking control of them. So the outcome of the Mandalorian Civil War version who even knows at this point, is unknown.

Aye. The Mandalorians have always, even when ostensibly united, been a bit of a fractured group. Their basic culture lends itself to the clan being the most important level of their society, which means that they'll mostly do their own thing and not gather in a larger unified society with homogeneous ideologies.

It would make perfect sense for the more traditional clans to leave Mandalore during the pacifist era during the Republic. It would be a disgusting betrayal of their millennia-old culture that had a great history, and that watering down would not sit well with them.

I think this parallels somewhat with the Mongols, and I think that was intentional. The Mandalorians are a warrior society that might unite under a strong leader, but in the absence of someone with the true charisma to unite them all(a Mandalore) they'll resort to infighting because they are at the core a society where the strongest person becomes the leader. Which means everybody who thinks himself strong will fight everybody else who thinks they are strong.

And it looks as if ‘our’ Mandalorian will be perhaps running afoul of his clan soon?

How so?

So I heard the 2nd episode and the rest of them are even shorter than the pilot (running at 30ish minutes including credits) really disappointing news to me, feels more like a sitcom length. 45 minutes each would have been ideal. I hope season 2 has a bit more meat on it's bones cause for the flagship show of Disney plus...bit weak. Can't see myself keeping this sub when this season ends, not much else on here to keep my interest.

edit: episode 2 was about 27 minutes, jesus

I find shows generally don't have more than 20 minutes of real content no matter how long their runtime. I actively gave up on hour long episodes a few years ago because there was just so much padding.

Three words: Jawa firing squad!!!

The second episode is fantastic. Yes, it's shorter than the last one, but it's packed full of great sequences (and tons of Jawas!).

3P0 was right. They really are disgusting creatures. And unscrupulous as well. Would put the Blood Ravens to shame.

And the baby is so damned cute!!

Even shorter? That's going to be a short run time for the 8 episode season if that continues. Glad to hear it continues to satisfy though. And, yes, Jawas are vermin.

 Thargrim wrote:
So I heard the 2nd episode and the rest of them are even shorter than the pilot (running at 30ish minutes including credits) really disappointing news to me, feels more like a sitcom length. 45 minutes each would have been ideal. I hope season 2 has a bit more meat on it's bones cause for the flagship show of Disney plus...bit weak. Can't see myself keeping this sub when this season ends, not much else on here to keep my interest.

edit: episode 2 was about 27 minutes, jesus

It's a live action Clone Wars equivalent, and a timing format Filoni has become exquisitely good at using.

Sterling191 wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
So I heard the 2nd episode and the rest of them are even shorter than the pilot (running at 30ish minutes including credits) really disappointing news to me, feels more like a sitcom length. 45 minutes each would have been ideal. I hope season 2 has a bit more meat on it's bones cause for the flagship show of Disney plus...bit weak. Can't see myself keeping this sub when this season ends, not much else on here to keep my interest.

edit: episode 2 was about 27 minutes, jesus

It's a live action Clone Wars equivalent, and a timing format Filoni has become exquisitely good at using.

Yeah, I'm kinda glad it's short. It's more like a long movie broken into parts rather than a true weekly TV show.

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Yup, think of it has a 4 hour movie rather than a 10 hour series.

I only saw the first one so far, last night - but we absolutely love it so far. This is probably my favorite Star Wars thing so far out of all of them.

I'm not glad it's short, but only because it's so bloody good and I want more immediately.

I actually laughed out loud several times, I'm even starting to like the wee babby and I was really hesitant about that when it was rumoured. The rifle is mental as well.

Just saw Ep2. More great stuff.

I'm sure if this is a hit they'll make more shows like it.

And hey, we actually have a canon example of a Disruptor rifle now.

Also that dude is terrible at Monster Hunter, he needs to stick to the FPSs.

I'm liking it so far. Some of the CGI is a little rough, but it's not too distracting. The IG-series droid in episode 1 was pretty cool to see. The music reminds me of the music from 80s fantasy movies like Conan the Barbarian, Conan the Destroyer, and The Dark Crystal.

I was fortunate enough to have a friend who subscribed to Disney+ invite me over to watch the first two episodes.

The first episode did not impress me at all. The as yet unnamed protagonist could not walk ten feet without stumbling over an absurdly conspicuous OT reference. The final reveal left me in absolute stitches. I didn’t think Disney’s Lucasfilm could be any more pathetic and desperate after what I have seen of their attempt to market Episode IX. But the end of the Mandalorian pilot is a new low. Otherwise, the writing and characterization was pretty uneven. Just as an example, we’re introduced to a laconic super badass but when the iG robot shows up the unnamed protagonist becomes the talky one and the droid is now the laconic super badass. And between comic quips, they are mowing down dozens of mooks. They must have murdered at least sixty guys. From gritty and serious to goofy buddy comedy, what a tonal shift. Then he shoots his new buddy in the head. I had no idea what I was supposed to feel about the show. But what I did feel was slightly nauseated.

I did like two things about the pilot: First, I liked that they built in the setting detail that the protagonist would accept half the posted bounty in a system specific currency rather than accept the whole bounty is an ostensible galactic currency because it was Imperial credits. This is a really nice way to subtly establish where we are in the timeline and what’s up. In the same vein, I really loved how ratty and scrawny the Storm Troopers looked; like coyotes in a lean season. It was really awesome how they instantly managed to make Storm Troopers, who have become the universal symbol for useless goons, into something that seems desperate, hungry, and dangerous. Some real smart little touches there that are easy to lose against the catastrophically stupid final scenes,

Thankfully, the second episode clarified that this show is just going to be a goofy mess. I mean, I know that sounds pretty negative, and it partly is, but I really warmed up to the show in the second episode. Never in my life did I imagine that Disney would take the iconic imagery of the ice cold, ruthless, hyper skilled Mandalorian bounty hunter and thenI mean this very seriously. After the yawn fest first episode, it seemed clear that Favreau and Filoni had no new ideas. But I would never in a million years have expected to see a scene where a character that is too badass to say more than five words in a given sentence getI must admit, that was a completely novel take on the notion of how to portray a hard as nails bounty hunter that I definitely did not see coming at all. Maybe this could be interesting, if it turns out that the protagonist just looks like he should be super competent but actually he is a greenhorn. Hey maybe that’s why he just now got his first big boy pauldron?

However, what I did see coming and what ruined the fun I was having with this awesome fresh idea was But what else can you expect from such a dumb plot development. Let’s just hope for the sake of the show that it is more aboutrather than

Why do we need spoilers in this thread?

Surely now the series is out in the wild, anyone clicking it without being up to date is effectively walking down a corridor of rooms full of people discussing all sorts of topics, stopping at the door labelled "People discussing The Mandalorian," throwing it open and then insisting everyone shut up because they've not seen it?

I haven't watched the show but I'm mature enough to understand that participating in a thread about the show means I will invariably risk seeing spoilers. I think a reasonable middle ground is to not talk about the current/past week's spoilers to give people a few days to catch up. If you haven't watched the first week's worth of episodes (two in this unique case) by the time the third premieres on Friday, you shouldn't be angry if folks are discussing what is by that point old news in the single thread allowed on the topic. YMMV.