dont think there will be. It said that this was all for the reveal at adepticon in the community post

 streetsamurai wrote:
dont think there will be. It said that this was all for the reveal at adepticon in the community post

Yes. Last night was the only GW Preview seminar on the Adepticon schedule.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Keeper of Secrets has really capture the androgynous aspect.

Rear arms distinctly masculine, front arms distinctly feminine. Face is bit of both.

The pose is fantastic. Bravo GW, bravo.

Indeed.

 Ghaz wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
dont think there will be. It said that this was all for the reveal at adepticon in the community post

Yes. Last night was the only GW Preview seminar on the Adepticon schedule.

Overall great reveals though, wish there was more.

The pose on that Slaneesh model is fantastic. It has that whole throwing the doors wide open and make a fashionably late entrance to the debutant ball, feel.

Actually might give Warcry a try.

The Slaanesh video is growing on me...
Definite sense (the voices at the end) in the realisation.

The rune thing scenery is fething enormous!
(but the skull on it have to go: skull is a Khornate symbol!)

Anyway, tremendous release to come,
my wallet is already screaming...

mortar_crew wrote:
(but the skull on it have to go: skull is a Khornate symbol!)

It's Warhammer. Skulls are as open domain as it gets.

But if you want to feel better about it, just do as I do and make your Slaaneshis take visual cues from Khorne. I'm sure he won't mind his arch-enemy wear his regalia. I'm sure that won't upset him. It's all in good fun, after all, and who loves fun more than Khorne?

 Sir Heckington wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
dont think there will be. It said that this was all for the reveal at adepticon in the community post

Yes. Last night was the only GW Preview seminar on the Adepticon schedule.

Overall great reveals though, wish there was more.

I was honestly surprised there was so much. Feels very un-GW to have so many different reveals.

I kept scrolling and scrolling through the article, increasingly worried there wouldn't be Slaanesh stuff.

You should be able to make many versions of KOS. 1)Top male, bottom female. 2)Top female, bottom male. 3)Left side male, right side female. 4)Left side female, right side male. 5)Front male, back female. 6)Front female, back male. and 7) and 8) both diagonals. Did I miss any?

That Keeper of Secrets and the new Slaanesh models are not only some of the best models GW ever made but are some of the best models in the entire miniatures gaming industry. Bravo.

The Fifty Sprues/Shades of Grey is a preliminary announcement for a direct competitor to TAP's Quick Shade line. Honestly, unless GW's is somehow cheaper, it'll largely be irrelevant (other than to get more people on the rapid paint systems)

The keeper is the best model GW have made. Surpassing... um Abaddon who hasn't even come out yet. Goddamn.

I wonder how all the mortal Khorne stuff looks painted up slaaneshi..

Danny76 wrote:
I wonder how all the mortal Khorne stuff looks painted up slaaneshi..

Some guy on Instagram used Kairic Alcoyte bodies, and the Hellstrider heads, helmets, and shields. They look great.

 judgedoug wrote:
That Keeper of Secrets and the new Slaanesh models are not only some of the best models GW ever made but are some of the best models in the entire miniatures gaming industry. Bravo.

The Fifty Sprues/Shades of Grey is a preliminary announcement for a direct competitor to TAP's Quick Shade line. Honestly, unless GW's is somehow cheaper, it'll largely be irrelevant (other than to get more people on the rapid paint systems)

If GW do their own equivalent, it will definitely be superior to the Army Painter Quickshade as it'll be water-soluble and not require white spirit to clean your brush.

They already have that. It's called Agrax Earthshade.

judgedoug wrote:That Keeper of Secrets and the new Slaanesh models are not only some of the best models GW ever made but are some of the best models in the entire miniatures gaming industry. Bravo.

The Fifty Sprues/Shades of Grey is a preliminary announcement for a direct competitor to TAP's Quick Shade line. Honestly, unless GW's is somehow cheaper, it'll largely be irrelevant (other than to get more people on the rapid paint systems)

Albino Squirrel wrote:They already have that. It's called Agrax Earthshade.

I agree that a dip isn't really necessary when you can just block in your colors and then wash with Agrax, etc.

 streetsamurai wrote:
One of the Perry twins lost his sculpting hand in an accident and the green knight was the first mini he sculpted after learning how to sculpt with his other hand

The accident in question was an exploding cannon. Because the Perry twins do not do things by halves.

Not an exploding cannon, but one that fired prematurely as he was still loading it.

But back on topic..

Loved the stuff shown so far. Not much that's my cuppa, but still awesome to see them put out this stuff in the near future.

I think the thing I'm most chuffed about is probably the movement trays for 40k, yay..? That and more war zone books, loved the first instalment of the Vigilus campaign, so it'll be interesting to see what they'll tackle and introduce next.

Wow, great reveals this Adepticon. I'm so happy to see my favorite of the four Chaos Gods is finally getting some attention. I'm blown away by the Keeper of Secrets. It's the perfect blend of the classic androgyny and sensuous lady, while also paying great homage to the classic cow-like Keeper of Secrets. The cow-like sensuality and statuesque pose evokes Baphomet for me, which is perfect for the God of Excess.

The Daemon Prince master blaster is a very cool concept and I love the contrast between the serious and purposeful Daemon Prince and the playful and mischievous herald. The Masque is great, and I especially love how her legs have a kind of fleshy lingerie look to them. The big mirror is also very cool. I fervently disagree with detractors of the Daemonettes' faces. I think they look very eerie and almost childlike. It's deeply unsettling and, I think it's great. The spells don't really interest me, as they usually don't, but that giant Daemonette face would make for an interesting conversion piece for a Knight or Chaos Titan.

Overall this makes me want to play Slaaneshi Daemons and for that, I don't like it.

The Warcry stuff is great and it's a pleasure to see the first plastic Chaos Dwarf. The Iron Golems in particular would make a great basis for a gang of Necromunda pit slave gladiators, as well. I'm excited to see how the other factions look. As I mentioned in a previous thread, I love the now-confirmed-to-be-Furies. They visually remind me of something out of Dark Souls. The Raptoryx is weird, but not necessarily in a bad way. I'd like to see other angles.

I couldn't care less about the push to "streamline" Apocalypse. Bleh.

Excited to see if future Warzones will be as fleshed out as Vigilus. I do hope that one of the future warzones features a Xenos race rather than another faction of Chaos. I'm happy Chaos is getting so much love but I'd really like to see the Orks get a Warzone with a new Ghaz model or Necrons to come in with some new stuff and possibly get a Silent King model. I wouldn't complain about a Knight-sized Swarmlord, either.

My thought on the "50 Shades of Gray" video is that it's not about a pre-painted line or an airbrush or a prelude to April Fools but that they are entirely moving away from gray plastic. We've already seen that in the newer AoS and 40K intro sets and, moreso, in the Kill Team sets.

They’ve already said it isn’t that. It’s a painting tool of some kind.

I think it'll be colored plastic for all factions. would stop the grey tide

 JohnnyHell wrote:
They’ve already said it isn’t that. It’s a painting tool of some kind.

Exactly. And I fail to see why tide of red colored plastic would be any better than grey one. In fact, it would be worst

 JohnnyHell wrote:
They’ve already said it isn’t that. It’s a painting tool of some kind.

Ah, missed that detail. Oh well, good thing I didn't place a money bet on the thought

The reveal itself says to help painting.
So it never was going to be plastic colours.
Good they’ve clarified I guess as people seemed confused, but shouldn’t have been necessary.

I personally hope it isn’t an airbrush. As I don’t use one so it wouldn’t help me.
(I know it’s probably better results. But the setting it up and cleaning the parts out and all that. Plus lack of a place to use one in my case, just means it wouldn’t be as useful for me).

I await the reveal and hope it’s something cool I can make use of, that also speeds up my painting

Friendship ended with Tzeentch. Now Slaanesh is best friend.

Keeper looks amazing.

My guess is that the new painting tool will be copying Army Painter with a super expensive wash you dunk your base coated miniatures in.

Racerguy180 wrote:
I think it'll be colored plastic for all factions. would stop the grey tide

In the other thread, GW isntragram says its not. its a tool.

80% sure its an siphon airbrush with special pot mounts for standard gw paint pots.

10% on new range of spray primers

5% on dip

5% on all of the above.

Wayniac wrote:
It is my great hope for Apocalypse that it means over time GW can move 40k back to company level and focus on making it work great at that level, rather than a super flexible set of rules that can scale up or down. The idea is that we would now have separate systems to scale the game up or down (Apocalypse and Kill Team, respectively) so 40k doesn't have to try and shoehorn in superheavies or fliers or things like that which never really fit the company scale of the game.

Of course, the chances of this happening is close to zero as people would just cry about their hobby being limited.

That sounds pretty ideal to me. No game can be all things to all people, so having several different ways to play with our toys seems like a good idea.

With all the Kill Team expansions I've been wondering if they might come at the older scale of 40k in the form of official Combat Patrol rules?

Looking at the Furies.

Man, that is one hell of an improvement. Now, they remind me of spindly, starvling versions of Belakor...

One potentially interesting thing is what wasn't shown: the full kits of vanguard marines.

We've all been assuming that we'll get full kits of them, as we have with the new CSM stuff. What if we aren't? Not a huge deal perhaps, but it's arguably a bit of a surprise we haven't seen or heard anything about them yet.

Or did I miss something?

Likely for Warhammerfest, which is in a little over a month.

Likely full Vanguard Marine kits will also be accompanied by an updated Marine Codex in the same fashion as the CSM dex update

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I am interested in seeing the other warzones. I'm wondering if they'll include any old ones or if they'll all be new?

A return to Armageddon could be really cool. I would be disappointed if they pull a "the true threat (Chaos) is now revealed!" and then have the Space Wolves ride in to save the day stunt again.

I think it's cool and makes narrative sense to have Khorne on Armageddon. I wouldn't mind a subplot involving Khorne, the Space Wolves and the Grey Knights. I would just prefer that the main story remains the Orks against the Steel Legion, Black Templars, White Scars and Salamanders.

That’s a bloody good point, given, to the best of my knowledge, the first War for Armageddon was Angry Ron’s last holiday in real space?

Could also set up for a plastic Ghaz. Can’t see him giving up his favourite war zone to a God of Battle without sticking his boot in,

On Armageddon right now Khorne and Tzeentch are duking it out, more or less sadly pushing the Imperium and Orks to the side.

Didn't a group a Salamanders prevent a summoning ceremony from bringing back Angron on Armageddon?

If Armageddon is the next Warzone, it would have equal potential for plastic Ghaz, Angron or even Vulkan, who was last seen on Armageddon.

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 Galef wrote:
Didn't a group a Salamanders prevent a summoning ceremony from bringing back Angron on Armageddon?

If Armageddon is the next Warzone, it would have equal potential for plastic Ghaz, Angron or even Vulkan, who was last seen on Armageddon.

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Yeah, I think that was in the BRB for 8th. There have been Khorne cults on Armageddon since the 1st* wat, and IIRC there are some large shrines hidden in the equatorial jungles.

Plastic Ghazzy, Angron and Vulkan would definitely be cool.


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 BrookM wrote:
On Armageddon right now Khorne and Tzeentch are duking it out, more or less sadly pushing the Imperium and Orks to the side.

That's a bummer.

If things are slipping, what better reason for Ghaz to rock up and ‘get fings dun propah’

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s a bloody good point, given, to the best of my knowledge, the first War for Armageddon was Angry Ron’s last holiday in real space?

Could also set up for a plastic Ghaz. Can’t see him giving up his favourite war zone to a God of Battle without sticking his boot in,

Yeah, Angron got banished back during the First* War for Armageddon.

*I'm putting asterisks near "first" because there were at least two gigantic wars for that planet previously. It totally makes sense that it would attract the attention of Khorne and Angron has a narrative reason to be there, I just don't want Khorne to steal the show.

Mandragola wrote:
One potentially interesting thing is what wasn't shown: the full kits of vanguard marines.

We've all been assuming that we'll get full kits of them, as we have with the new CSM stuff. What if we aren't? Not a huge deal perhaps, but it's arguably a bit of a surprise we haven't seen or heard anything about them yet.

Or did I miss something?

All it means is that Apocalypse is probably coming first. There were a couple of unresolved rumour engine pics that strongly resembled the Shadowspear Vanguard stuff, so multipart kits are fairly likely to happen. Don't forget we've had two major 40k army updates already this year, I doubt GW can keep things at that pace even for 40k.

I think we'll see Slaanesh in May, Apocalypse in June, then Vanguard in July/August.

Something that might be interesting is if Ghazzy were to come back and destroy Armageddon. During the Second War he became stalled out at Hades Have (which was defended by Yarrick). When he came back for the Third War he completely leveled Hades Hive from orbit as part of the opening salvoes. It might be interesting if the planet was starting to fall to Chaos for Ghazzy to turn up, smash the whole thing to fragments and then loot them to build a fleet of Space Hulks/Attack Moons.

That might feel a little cliched since Abbadon did something similar to Cadia. Also I would feel bad for the Steel Legion players.

So can the KoS kit be made into a unique named daemon like the LoC or GUO kits? Or will that be a separate kit like Skarbrand?

With all the Greater Daemons now in plastic, and a Keeper of Secrets miniature that is just stupendous and better than any Keeper that has come before, I think it's time GW did something that they've been holding off on for a very long time.

It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
With all the Greater Daemons now in plastic, and a Keeper of Secrets miniature that is just stupendous and better than any Keeper that has come before, I think it's time GW did something that they've been holding off on for a very long time.

It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

Agreed.

Eldar took my 40k cherry, many years ago. The black and white artwork of the Avatar holding a dead marine in his hand is what made me choose Eldar and that same Avatar model was used back then, 20 years ago. The phoenix lords are all OG too right? The Karandras I have painted awfully is still the same model used now? So about as big as an Ork Boy then.

Ghazzy after that though, surely?

When does Adepticon tournament coverage start?

 rollawaythestone wrote:
When does Adepticon tournament coverage start?

Game 3/4 of today starting now on warhammer tv twitch stream

With Chaos out of the way, it would be nice if any of the aliens are next, nicely tied in with a pair of campaign books. With Slaanesh on the way, it's certainly a no-brainer to have them have a go at the Aeldari, Craftworld Ianden is mentioned in the rulebook as one of the war zones invaded by Slaanesh, though GW might be better off creating another, new place to fight over instead, as with Vigilus.

 streetsamurai wrote:
One of the Perry twins lost his sculpting hand in an accident and the green knight was the first mini he sculpted after learning how to sculpt with his other hand

Pretty sure Repanse de Lyonesse was the first mini he sculpted after the accident, not the Green Knight. Remember reading about it in WD.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
With all the Greater Daemons now in plastic, and a Keeper of Secrets miniature that is just stupendous and better than any Keeper that has come before, I think it's time GW did something that they've been holding off on for a very long time.

It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

I shall answer this, in the form of a gif....



Though from a purely narrative POV, I’d still like The Avatar of Khaine to be a bit shorter than Greater Daemons. I feel that better demonstrates its martial prowess.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Something that might be interesting is if Ghazzy were to come back and destroy Armageddon. During the Second War he became stalled out at Hades Have (which was defended by Yarrick). When he came back for the Third War he completely leveled Hades Hive from orbit as part of the opening salvoes. It might be interesting if the planet was starting to fall to Chaos for Ghazzy to turn up, smash the whole thing to fragments and then loot them to build a fleet of Space Hulks/Attack Moons.

That might feel a little cliched since Abbadon did something similar to Cadia. Also I would feel bad for the Steel Legion players.

It would be rough seeing a second Guard homeworld (huh, third apparently, as idly glancing through fluff bits I just learned Mordian fell to Chaos) get shattered. I'm halfway expecting a more likely result for the warzone would be Ghazzy and Yarrick forming a temporary alliance to fend off the big Chaos invasion that threatens both of them, and then getting back to their stalemate afterwards.


So, what are the odds that units and rules built for Apocalypse stays in Apocalypse this time around? First thing I thought of seeing that was that it will bloat up regular 40k with still larger units than it already has now.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So can the KoS kit be made into a unique named daemon like the LoC or GUO kits? Or will that be a separate kit like Skarbrand?

Well, Skarbrand shares a couple of the same sprues as the BT and both of those kits can out long before the LoC and GUO.
So my guess would be that the KoS will follow the newest "pattern" and have 3 variants, including 1 named Character, all in the same box.

Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).
So there is even less reason there to have a full-on separate box for the KoS named character that doesn't yet exist.

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 Mymearan wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
One of the Perry twins lost his sculpting hand in an accident and the green knight was the first mini he sculpted after learning how to sculpt with his other hand

Pretty sure Repanse de Lyonesse was the first mini he sculpted after the accident, not the Green Knight. Remember reading about it in WD.

Pretty sure you're wrong. I had the WD were it was nominated among the best Citadel minis ever, and I would put a few quids that he said it was the first one he sculpted.

On Slaanesh, I sincerly hope that we also get a 40k slaanessh release, that that Fulgrim will make an apparition

As for Eldar, i'm at the point where I think they'll never touch them again. Which is kind of surprising, since I heard they were a popular army

If we do see another renewed conflict on Armageddon I hope the conflict between the Orks/Imperium takes center stage. I'm fine with Angron being summoned & Armageddon turning into an all out royal rumble but Armageddon is Ullanor the ork homeworld. If they get sidelined I will be pissed. Same is true if the Steel Legion get the Cadia treatment. What should have been the Cadian's finest hour was more or less bolter porn & a drama of personalities between demi-gods instead of on the actual conflict. Vulkan also stands a good chance of coming back. In order for him to return the Salamander relics must be recovered. If I am not mistaken Tu"shan possesses many of these relics, is present on Armageddon & where better to find more relics than Vulkan's last whereabouts as well the previous conflict during the great crusade on Ullanor.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:So can the KoS kit be made into a unique named daemon like the LoC or GUO kits? Or will that be a separate kit like Skarbrand?

Skarbrand is the only named Greater Daemon that requires a separate kit, so odds are it'll be an alternate build.

H.B.M.C. wrote:With all the Greater Daemons now in plastic, and a Keeper of Secrets miniature that is just stupendous and better than any Keeper that has come before, I think it's time GW did something that they've been holding off on for a very long time.

It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

Wouldn't surprise me. In addition to the Eldar unit, Daughters of Khaine have a warscroll for an Avatar already using the statue from the altar. I'd say that next time the Eldar get a major release (or when Shadowkin come out), there's a good chance we'll see an updated Avatar.

I really like that the new Slaanesh models aren't just “sexy women/female demons” .

I really hope its not Armageddon, leave the past alone. I want something new and want a bigger influence of Xenos, specifically Eldar and Necron.

I think if we want to look at what warzones they'll feature in the future, it'll be worth looking at the factions that WEREN'T on Vigilus.

Blood Angels, Emperor's Children, Tau, Necron, Tyranids.

Really standing out are the Emperor's Children, Blood Angels, and Tyranids.

All of the original Traitor Legions appeared on Vigilus EXCEPT Emperor's Children.

Even Iron Hands made it to Vigilus... but Blood Angels were MIA.

Despite having a massive Genestealer Cult infestation with multiple Patriarchs... no Tyranids to nom on the planet.

It's probably safe to say that the Ultramarines and Black Legion won't be showing up in other warzones since all of their forces are pretty committed to Vigilus.

 Galef wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So can the KoS kit be made into a unique named daemon like the LoC or GUO kits? Or will that be a separate kit like Skarbrand?

Well, Skarbrand shares a couple of the same sprues as the BT and both of those kits can out long before the LoC and GUO.
So my guess would be that the KoS will follow the newest "pattern" and have 3 variants, including 1 named Character, all in the same box.

Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).
So there is even less reason there to have a full-on separate box for the KoS named character that doesn't yet exist.

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N'Kari should actually have a secret to share with you...

I look forward to fielding some Iron Golems, mainly to spite my Duardin player friends.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

You mean, like this?


And ironically, seeing it's one of the most affordable FW kit these days, plastic one would likely cost more and not really be a big improvement...

 Galef wrote:
Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).

Um, N'kari?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I really like that the new Slaanesh models aren't just “sexy women/female demons” .

Which is garbage if you think about it. All demon princes and greater demons so far (except that old FW Slaanesh GD) are male in looks, and now they had one chance to do a female prominent demon of a god who canonically has lots of them, they blew it. Big bald slowly walking topless dude with an axe? What it is, Khorne?

I really want to like this release, as half of it looks really good, but then I look at diaznettes and the other half still looks kind of mediocre in comparison...

Isn't Valkia the Bloody a daemon princess of Khorne? As for prominent daemon princes, I'm not sure how many would be female. There was that one in that Cain book, but how many people can achieve the rank of daemon prince that weren't space marines are there? In AoS they should be more common (though Slaanesh being chained probably lowers that number.)

40K wiki says she is, but the AoS Khorne book is light on detail (haven't seen the more recent one, so maybe it's clearer).

They also had that little teaser story about the Pale Hunter, a KoS with a spear that hunted Drukhari. Could be that.

 Irbis wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

You mean, like this?

Spoiler:

And ironically, seeing it's one of the most affordable FW kit these days, plastic one would likely cost more and not really be a big improvement...

No, he means like plastic, as was exceedingly obvious from his post.

Which is garbage if you think about it. All demon princes and greater demons so far (except that old FW Slaanesh GD) are male in looks,

The only current Greater Daemon that is appreciably masculine is the Bloodthirster. The Great Unclean One is deformed enough that it could be either (assuming it has a gender to begin with) and the Lord of Change is a bird.

The KoS being androgynous, or (as they've done here) a blend of genders is far more appropriate for what it is supposed to be than having it be specifically female.

Must admit I often saw the Nugle Greater Demon as being female - however they are indeed so grossly mutated that its likely impossible to tell what they were and heck they could be a super evolved thing that has no actual gender concept; or at least no binary one.

Given that an aspect of Nurgle is fertility, and he already has set a certain example by kidnapping the Eldar goddess of Life in 40k, I'd say it make thematic sense for a lot - even most- of Nurgles greater daemons being female, at least in origin.

At the same time all Daemons have aspects of the Chaos God that spawned them, and Nurgle is "Grandfather" Nurgle.

 Irbis wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).

Um, N'kari?

N'kari is a Daemon Prince, not a Keeper of Secrets.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).

Um, N'kari?

N'kari is a Daemon Prince, not a Keeper of Secrets.

According to Lexicanum some sources have him as a Daemon Prince and some sources have him as a Keeper of Secrets.

I want to take that Keeper of Secrets, convert it to a Great Unclean one, and call it the "Keeper of Secretions".

 Ghaz wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).

Um, N'kari?

N'kari is a Daemon Prince, not a Keeper of Secrets.

According to Lexicanum some sources have him as a Daemon Prince and some sources have him as a Keeper of Secrets.

N'kari was always a Daemon Prince apart from a single Mat Ward era publication, originally introduced as one in 2nd and most recently noted as one in a HH novel less than a year ago. He's a Daemon Prince.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).

Um, N'kari?

N'kari is a Daemon Prince, not a Keeper of Secrets.

According to Lexicanum some sources have him as a Daemon Prince and some sources have him as a Keeper of Secrets.

N'kari was always a Daemon Prince apart from a single Mat Ward era publication, originally introduced as one in 2nd and most recently noted as one in a HH novel less than a year ago. He's a Daemon Prince.

Throughout the high elf stories with Tyrion and Teclis I'm pretty sure N'kari is a Keeper of Secrets

 bullyboy wrote:

Throughout the high elf stories with Tyrion and Teclis I'm pretty sure N'kari is a Keeper of Secrets

Correct. In WFB, N'kari is very much a Keeper of Secrets.
(Don't know or care about AoS.)

in 40k N'kari is either a Keeper of Secrets or a Daemon Prince, depending on what fluff you're reading.

My speculation on the 50 Shades of Grey bit is...

Pre-primed figures

...just like Wizkids does with some Star Trek ships and D&D has available at retail.

callidusx3 wrote:
My speculation on the 50 Shades of Grey bit is...

Pre-primed figures

...just like Wizkids does with some Star Trek ships and D&D has available at retail.

Doesn’t really work with models on a sprue though, because where you cut the parts off it won’t be primed there.

Could argue that the new KoS is quite "horny", am I right?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So can the KoS kit be made into a unique named daemon like the LoC or GUO kits? Or will that be a separate kit like Skarbrand?

No word of that yet. It wouldn't be surprising that a named character comes from the kit given Rotigus and Kairos before.

callidusx3 wrote:
My speculation on the 50 Shades of Grey bit is...

Pre-primed figures

...just like Wizkids does with some Star Trek ships and D&D has available at retail.

Debunked via Facebook, I think.

The 50 shades of grey is likely a painting service that effectively uses contractors such as the FLG paint studio to complete commissions. GW will take a hefty cut but promote the service for such contractors. It will also legitimise the painting service for the industry.

That's my guess anyway.

It's going to be a VR headset with an augmented reality program making bare models appear painted.

(An airbrush or expanded spray line make the most sense to me though.)

Looking through all the videos and photos I think the Keeper of Secrets has 3 different heads

Daemon princess of Slaanesh in daemon world as far as I remember.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The 50 shades of grey is likely a painting service that effectively uses contractors such as the FLG paint studio to complete commissions. GW will take a hefty cut but promote the service for such contractors. It will also legitimise the painting service for the industry.

That's my guess anyway.

It’s like no one is reading the WHC team replies... it won’t be prepaints, coloured plastic or a painting service. It’s a tool they can sell you in their shops. My money is on airbrush or primers.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The 50 shades of grey is likely a painting service that effectively uses contractors such as the FLG paint studio to complete commissions. GW will take a hefty cut but promote the service for such contractors. It will also legitimise the painting service for the industry.

That's my guess anyway.

It’s like no one is reading the WHC team replies... it won’t be prepaints, coloured plastic or a painting service. It’s a tool they can sell you in their shops. My money is on airbrush or primers.

No I don't have time to scrawl through a million posts on Facebook right now to find information on something I'm likely not interested in.

Since you seem so sure of yourself though, care to post a link to these replies that back up your statements?

mortar_crew wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So can the KoS kit be made into a unique named daemon like the LoC or GUO kits? Or will that be a separate kit like Skarbrand?

Well, Skarbrand shares a couple of the same sprues as the BT and both of those kits can out long before the LoC and GUO.
So my guess would be that the KoS will follow the newest "pattern" and have 3 variants, including 1 named Character, all in the same box.

Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).
So there is even less reason there to have a full-on separate box for the KoS named character that doesn't yet exist.

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N'Kari should actually have a secret to share with you...

Also, previous named character GDs existing or not doesn't matter considering the named GOU you can make in the kit isn't even the one that existed prior to the kit.

If they are saying Tool, then it is so likely the airbrush, as I wouldn’t call spray cans tools necessarily.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Though from a purely narrative POV, I’d still like The Avatar of Khaine to be a bit shorter than Greater Daemons. I feel that better demonstrates its martial prowess.

That's canon now, if you accept Black Library novels as canon.


If we did get a nice big plastic Avatar, it'd be cool if it had a selection of different Wailing Dooms - spear, sword, sceptre, flail, axe ... make them big versions of the classic Exarch relic weapons.

GW being GW, i think they rather expand on the ynnari before they update some ancient avatar.

But it would be really nice to se a Kain revival with the aspects and avatar finally getting plastics.

I love the Keeper of Secrets in just about every way. It's a stunning model and I almost hope it's disappointingly expensive just so I can resist buying one.

 Irbis wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

You mean, like this?

Spoiler:

And ironically, seeing it's one of the most affordable FW kit these days, plastic one would likely cost more and not really be a big improvement...

The FW Avatars are some of my favourite models and I've just finished painting the OOP sword version, but there's a lot of gamers out there who aren't going to buy FW and as much as the original Avatar was cool at the time we really do need a new Citadel one. They'd have a hard time making it look cooler than the FW sculpts, but it'll be easier for most people to work with and it may well be bigger to fit with the general scale creep of 40k. Personally I'd rather it stayed the same size as the FW Avatars, just because I don't want to feel like mine has been somehow surpassed by a bigger Avatar! Even so, if there's a new one and it's cool, I'm buying it. A man can have two Avatars of Khaine if he wants to...

 Fayric wrote:
GW being GW, i think they rather expand on the ynnari before they update some ancient avatar.

But it would be really nice to se a Kain revival with the aspects and avatar finally getting plastics.

Quite possibly. I think I saw a quote from Jes Goodwin that he'd rather design new things than revisit old stuff, and that made me sad given he's played such a huge role in the design of the Craftworlds. But I think GW have realised recently that there is a lot of demand for updating classic lines, so I'm more hopeful than I used to be that they'll update the old stuff. I mean, the entire new Sisters release came from the responses to the last Community Survey and so the demand must have been pretty huge. I don't know about other people, but my input into that survey was pretty much along the lines of "New stuff is cool, but I'd much rather see updated plastic models for old lines that keep the design ethos of those ranges - particularly Sororitas and Craftworlds".

Aside from the fact that I'm sure they'll look incredibly cool and that I'll want them anyway, I also feel that I should buy into Sisters when they come out just to ram the point home that the market wants updated models for existing ranges.

I've got probably all of the metal aspect warriors I'll ever need, but that wouldn't stop me buying new plastics if they were done in the proper Craftworlds style. If they made them Ynnari-style and modelled after the triumvirate, however, I'd probably pass.

 Mymearan wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
One of the Perry twins lost his sculpting hand in an accident and the green knight was the first mini he sculpted after learning how to sculpt with his other hand

Pretty sure Repanse de Lyonesse was the first mini he sculpted after the accident, not the Green Knight. Remember reading about it in WD.

Yeah, I remember that article too. AFAIK, it was Repanse.

Digging a bit: Repanse was stated as the first mini Michael Perry did by Michael Perry on an interview the both of them did on WD. The Green Knight was stated as being the first by Mike McVey in a Citadel Colour WD interview sometime afterwards.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The 50 shades of grey is likely a painting service that effectively uses contractors such as the FLG paint studio to complete commissions. GW will take a hefty cut but promote the service for such contractors. It will also legitimise the painting service for the industry.

That's my guess anyway.

It’s like no one is reading the WHC team replies... it won’t be prepaints, coloured plastic or a painting service. It’s a tool they can sell you in their shops. My money is on airbrush or primers.

It's exactly like that, as Facebook replies are a terrible way of conveying information. If you want people to stop guessing, tell the 'team' to put the actual thing in an article and post it on the main page.

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On the craftworld revamp, I suggest thing to do is organize folks for the feedback survey on e 15th. Really push for it, the way sisters were pushed.

 Irbis wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I really like that the new Slaanesh models aren't just “sexy women/female demons” .

Which is garbage if you think about it. All demon princes and greater demons so far (except that old FW Slaanesh GD) are male in looks, and now they had one chance to do a female prominent demon of a god who canonically has lots of them, they blew it. Big bald slowly walking topless dude with an axe? What it is, Khorne?

Nah, "all demons are male unless they are sex demons" isn't what I'm looking for.
So, "androgynous big demon that can arouse both people into men and into women" is better.
Did you miss that the KoS get a female breast and a male breast?
I even think that one set of arm was designed as more masculine-looking (the one with the claws) and the other as more feminine (the one with the sword), am I the only one?

Really, it's past time we got sexy Slaanesh shirtless dude and angry Khorne almost-shirtless gal, even if you personnaly cannot enjoy the male form .
(Yeah I know she isn't actually Khornate, but she was the closest example I got, seeing how Valkia is half bloodletter and fully armored and all)

Also the new Fiends have a female side and a male side.
They basically look like a female creature and a male creature moulded together.

Well I try to think that Slaanesh daemons need to look pleasing to look by all-genders… in some disturbing way.

If you look close the old metal fiends also had one breast one side and one chest the other - however it was more muted a transition because the chest area was more evenly designed - you basically looked for the nipple

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/b/b4/FiendofSlaaneshMini.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180128024735

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I really like that the new Slaanesh models aren't just “sexy women/female demons” .

Which is garbage if you think about it. All demon princes and greater demons so far (except that old FW Slaanesh GD) are male in looks, and now they had one chance to do a female prominent demon of a god who canonically has lots of them, they blew it. Big bald slowly walking topless dude with an axe? What it is, Khorne?

Nah, "all demons are male unless they are sex demons" isn't what I'm looking for.
So, "androgynous big demon that can arouse both people into men and into women" is better.
Did you miss that the KoS get a female breast and a male breast?
I even think that one set of arm was designed as more masculine-looking (the one with the claws) and the other as more feminine (the one with the sword), am I the only one?

Really, it's past time we got sexy Slaanesh shirtless dude and angry Khorne almost-shirtless gal, even if you personnaly cannot enjoy the male form .
(Yeah I know she isn't actually Khornate, but she was the closest example I got, seeing how Valkia is half bloodletter and fully armored and all)

First, not all Daemons are completely sexless... Some of the Plaguebearers distinctly have sagging old lady breasts. There was a model of a female daemon prince of Khorne, Valkia. The Slaanesh daemon prince with the herald riding him attempts to portray a different sexualized duality than hermaphrodism. I think the Slaanesh daemon prince captures the slaanesh sense of perfection and temptaions... that exotic and fetished feel prevalent to the western worlds depiction of western asian cultures, but its the inclusion of the herald riding him that starts to make you wonder what's his story. This choice allows for a model that isn't overtly sexual in nature, but where context and our cultural sentiments to overlay the model making the more age sensitive part of slaanesh's depiction partially our own interpretation.

I'm actually glad the Slaanesh daemon prince isn't female. When I look at a warhammer miniature I think it should feel like it has a story. People would want a sexualized female daemon prince and that would quickly end up as a generic succubus archetype with a particular styling or another snake woman miniature... And GW can't creep us out and make a daemon prince of our mothers.

I do think GW could do an interesting female daemon prince, but I think it will generally need more context than a preview or the initial release lends itself to. This release was meant to make us go "wow - that's slaanesh" not "wow, that's a sessy daemon". A female daemon prince for better or worse needs to be defined by back story, or something more immediate to the setting. An example would be a female Stormcast or Sister of Battle that's undergone apotheosis in pursuit of perfection... which plays up the angle of the conflicting pressures women often feel in pursuit of respect in a male dominated setting.

As an aside I think an interesting approach would be if GW made a female daemon prince that was something of a mirror image to this new one, extending that motif of the duality of Slaanesh further. I think they should be looking at the many facets of the interpretation of "perfection" and draw on that.

 aka_mythos wrote:
Some of the Plaguebearers distinctly have sagging old lady breasts.

Genuine question, but are those sagging old lady breasts, or sagging fat guy breasts? Because Nurgle demons tend to be the opposite of skinny.

 aka_mythos wrote:
There was a model of a female daemon prince of Khorne, Valkia.

Do you mean Valkia as in the Valkia I explicitly mentioned in the post you were answering to ^^?

Anyone know if the champions round of the individual 40k tournament is being streamed anywhere?

I can't believe that G-dubs decided to cast AOS instead of the champions round of 40k but maybe some other enterprising spirit is taking up the slack?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The 50 shades of grey is likely a painting service that effectively uses contractors such as the FLG paint studio to complete commissions. GW will take a hefty cut but promote the service for such contractors. It will also legitimise the painting service for the industry.

That's my guess anyway.

My guess is... Primaris Paints! An exciting new line of paints similar to the old one but with bigger bottles and slightly different proportions of pigments. They aren't compatible with the old line, but not to worry - the old paints will continue to be available* for those of you who want to finish your armies with the old colors!

*While supplies last.

Daemons do not reproduce sexually. None of them are male or female. They look however their gods want them to look, which I guess is somehow related to how people imagine them?

I’ve never associated any daemons with a particular sex/gender, other than Slaanesh daemons as that’s part of their schtick. I’m very glad GW is going the route they are with androgeny and mixing of sex/gender within a single model as it emphasizes the allure and nature of this particular Chaos power.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I’ve never associated any daemons with a particular sex/gender, other than Slaanesh daemons as that’s part of their schtick.

Huh? Slaaneshi daemons "schtick" is being both* genders. They've always been hermaphroditic. Apart from when Juan Diaz did them wrong. Bloodletters and Horrors are genderless, but they've always been kinda coded male rather than genderless. Plaguebearers can be any gender, as they're formed from mortals who die from Nurgle's Rot.

*Yes, yes, there are more than two. However, RoC came out in the 80s; it was a different time.

Codex is a very valid and appropriate term here.
It's clear that Khorne Bloodthirster is male coded

Wow, aint this thread going down the pooper.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I’ve never associated any daemons with a particular sex/gender, other than Slaanesh daemons as that’s part of their schtick.

Huh? Slaaneshi daemons "schtick" is being both* genders. They've always been hermaphroditic. Apart from when Juan Diaz did them wrong. Bloodletters and Horrors are genderless, but they've always been kinda coded male rather than genderless. Plaguebearers can be any gender, as they're formed from mortals who die from Nurgle's Rot.

*Yes, yes, there are more than two. However, RoC came out in the 80s; it was a different time.

Lol, how come he did them wrong? Too feminine for your liking? Slaanesh can choose whichever form suits him best at the time, whatever he feels like. He`s the god, who also wants to seduce beings to follow him. Most soldiers being men, it makes perfect sence for the seducers to be feminine.

Well, now Slaanesh daemons are genderless and somehat sterile.. Fiends are awesome, though.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Daemons do not reproduce sexually. None of them are male or female. They look however their gods want them to look, which I guess is somehow related to how people imagine them?

This is exactly correct, deamons do not have a form other than that which we give them, imagine the entire race is basically the stay puft marshmallow man that Gozer creates, you are just as likely to get a bloodletter as you are to get a monster with 1000000000000 male ....bits, the greater the deamon thought the greater its control over its form, hence why the gods have specific looking deamons.

And we're off the rails.

Actually, I tell a lie; Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned uses neuter pronouns for Tzeentchian daemons.

It’s later material that gives them explicit gender; Silver Tower refers to the Gaunt Summoner and the Familiars as male, for example.

Guys. You're discussing the possible gender of pretend daemons in a war game. In the lore of said game daemons are "made" through the emotions of races so they cannot possibly have a gender as they're literal beings of emotion made manifest. Regardless the discussion of daemon's gender is probably best served in another thread. Why not chill on this discussion and talk about something else....

How about dat Keeper of Secrets do eh?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Guys. You're discussing the possible gender of pretend daemons in a war game. In the lore of said game daemons are "made" through the emotions of races so they cannot possibly have a gender as they're literal beings of emotion made manifest. Regardless the discussion of daemon's gender is probably best served in another thread. Why not chill on this discussion and talk about something else....

How about dat Keeper of Secrets do eh?

I'm honestly not that crazy about it. I wish the face was more bestial, or that it was somehow more disturbing. Seems kind of uninteresting to me.

Why are you all discussing demon gender? The correct protocol when dealing with demons is not to determine if they have genitals, but to purge them with extreme prejudice. Doing otherwise is heretical. Stop being heretics.

Seriously though, this is off topic, the chaos models look great, and I for one like seeing movement trays in Apoc, as that means that they might add them to AoS and give us close order combat back.

I was under the impression that the Gaunt Summoners were human sorcerers that ascended, and serve as analogues to the 9 wraiths in LOTR.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I’ve never associated any daemons with a particular sex/gender, other than Slaanesh daemons as that’s part of their schtick.

Huh? Slaaneshi daemons "schtick" is being both* genders. They've always been hermaphroditic. Apart from when Juan Diaz did them wrong. Bloodletters and Horrors are genderless, but they've always been kinda coded male rather than genderless. Plaguebearers can be any gender, as they're formed from mortals who die from Nurgle's Rot.

*Yes, yes, there are more than two. However, RoC came out in the 80s; it was a different time.

I meant that the form of Slaaneshi daemons actually representing any genders at all is their “thing”, as they do so to play into their strengths.

I’m fully aware that Slaanesh as always had hermaphroditic elements. My point was rather that they’re the ONLY daemons I’ve ever looked at and seen any indication of gender.

Right, so this thread suddenly made my dashboard light up like a Christmas tree. Did some cleaning, am going to ask this once nicely: stay on topic and remain polite. Okay peeps?

Despite my initial annoyance that GW is doing yet more Chaos themed releases I think the KoS in particular is an absolute triumph. It's probably one of the best models I have seen from them in some time.

Conveying all the facets of what a KoS is supposed to represent is a mammoth task in one miniature. Particularly without leaning on the whole "lol demon bewbs" or "BDSM demon" vibe. I love this miniature mostly for the technical prowess that it conveys. It's very, very intelligent in my opinion and I think it will look incredible IRL. I may have to purchase one.

Not a massive fan of some of the other Slaanesh Daemons in this release though, the pigtails Daemonettes near the weird mirror thing look a bit too camp for me. I do like the tag team prince and herald, though none of the releases are as strong as the KoS for me.

I think I'll enjoy having that humongous Slaanesh symbol from the reveal video. Probably the mandatory faction terrain piece, yes? I think I'd cut out the face, but that might be fun to have around. Normal table, everything seems fine, then suddenly - Slaanesh!

And I never realized just how big the Daemon Prince was until I paused and looked at the army shot.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Conveying all the facets of what a KoS is supposed to represent is a mammoth task in one miniature.

You can probably see how I got there, but now I'm trying to imagine how a Keeper of Secrets with mammoth tusks would look. If it works for Terminators, it has to work for a Keeper, too. Right?

My guess about the new paint - a product of "paint" that you can dunk a figure into.

What really appeals to me about the KoS is that it has a very androgynous look, like Desire from the Sandman comics. They did a fantastic job in sculpting what could not have been an easy task. It still maintains that Slaneesh style but truly improves on it.

Of course in my head the KOS sounds similar to this representation of Satan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpaRouocBes

For me the winner was the Demon Prince- as though I think the KoS is the superior model, I will definitely get the Demon prince just to paint up and support the cause.

But what I really wantses is mortals of slaanesh.

My subscription copy of White Dwarf arrived today. There’s a lovely article showing how Phil Stutcinskas of FW goes about weathering a tank. He uses GW paints and shades, FW weathering powders ...

... and an airbrush!


Not sure if we should read anything into that, but it’s the first time in a long time that I remember a WD article has featured something that GW doesn’t sell ... yet (?)

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:
My subscription copy of White Dwarf arrived today. There’s a lovely article showing how Phil Stutcinskas of FW goes about weathering a tank. He uses GW paints and shades, FW weathering powders ...

... and an airbrush!


Not sure if we should read anything into that, but it’s the first time in a long time that I remember a WD article has featured something that GW doesn’t sell ... yet (?)

Well when him and mark did the first model masterclass they used all kinds of non GW products. The second MM and the HH MM they used pretty much all gw stuff including tools. Did they ever tell us what the new tool was?

GW makes airbrush paints so it's not like they're pretending airbrushes don't exist.

I think its more that GW has been smart in how they approach paint. Way back in the older days "Evy Metal" was the pro end of their painting and all the studio models were "Evy Metal". GW advertised it as top grade painting.

However I think it had the backlash in so much as it presented the idea that those models you saw on the box were painted by "pros" beyond the home players ability.

Today GW is very much aiming their product painting quality still at the high end, but using clean and simpler methods which mostly amount to care, attention to detail and two thin coats. Through Duncan and co on the youtube pages and in articles they've really pushed forward how to paint "like the pros" and the whole "Evy Metal" angle isn't pushed half as much these days (in fact they more so push Golden Demon winners - ergo regular gamers).


I think that's why we've not seen airbrushing being used by them at large in their studio work. Now GW has Duncan and a meme and popularity they can more likely push for alternative and more high grade methods of painting. Thus leaving the field open to chasing their own internal airbrush system - even if its all likely regular units rebranded with the GW logo.