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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

You mean, like this?


And ironically, seeing it's one of the most affordable FW kit these days, plastic one would likely cost more and not really be a big improvement...

 Galef wrote:
Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).

Um, N'kari?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I really like that the new Slaanesh models aren't just “sexy women/female demons” .

Which is garbage if you think about it. All demon princes and greater demons so far (except that old FW Slaanesh GD) are male in looks, and now they had one chance to do a female prominent demon of a god who canonically has lots of them, they blew it. Big bald slowly walking topless dude with an axe? What it is, Khorne?

I really want to like this release, as half of it looks really good, but then I look at diaznettes and the other half still looks kind of mediocre in comparison...

Isn't Valkia the Bloody a daemon princess of Khorne? As for prominent daemon princes, I'm not sure how many would be female. There was that one in that Cain book, but how many people can achieve the rank of daemon prince that weren't space marines are there? In AoS they should be more common (though Slaanesh being chained probably lowers that number.)

40K wiki says she is, but the AoS Khorne book is light on detail (haven't seen the more recent one, so maybe it's clearer).

They also had that little teaser story about the Pale Hunter, a KoS with a spear that hunted Drukhari. Could be that.

 Irbis wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

You mean, like this?

Spoiler:

And ironically, seeing it's one of the most affordable FW kit these days, plastic one would likely cost more and not really be a big improvement...

No, he means like plastic, as was exceedingly obvious from his post.

Which is garbage if you think about it. All demon princes and greater demons so far (except that old FW Slaanesh GD) are male in looks,

The only current Greater Daemon that is appreciably masculine is the Bloodthirster. The Great Unclean One is deformed enough that it could be either (assuming it has a gender to begin with) and the Lord of Change is a bird.

The KoS being androgynous, or (as they've done here) a blend of genders is far more appropriate for what it is supposed to be than having it be specifically female.

Must admit I often saw the Nugle Greater Demon as being female - however they are indeed so grossly mutated that its likely impossible to tell what they were and heck they could be a super evolved thing that has no actual gender concept; or at least no binary one.

Given that an aspect of Nurgle is fertility, and he already has set a certain example by kidnapping the Eldar goddess of Life in 40k, I'd say it make thematic sense for a lot - even most- of Nurgles greater daemons being female, at least in origin.

At the same time all Daemons have aspects of the Chaos God that spawned them, and Nurgle is "Grandfather" Nurgle.

 Irbis wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).

Um, N'kari?

N'kari is a Daemon Prince, not a Keeper of Secrets.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).

Um, N'kari?

N'kari is a Daemon Prince, not a Keeper of Secrets.

According to Lexicanum some sources have him as a Daemon Prince and some sources have him as a Keeper of Secrets.

I want to take that Keeper of Secrets, convert it to a Great Unclean one, and call it the "Keeper of Secretions".

 Ghaz wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).

Um, N'kari?

N'kari is a Daemon Prince, not a Keeper of Secrets.

According to Lexicanum some sources have him as a Daemon Prince and some sources have him as a Keeper of Secrets.

N'kari was always a Daemon Prince apart from a single Mat Ward era publication, originally introduced as one in 2nd and most recently noted as one in a HH novel less than a year ago. He's a Daemon Prince.

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).

Um, N'kari?

N'kari is a Daemon Prince, not a Keeper of Secrets.

According to Lexicanum some sources have him as a Daemon Prince and some sources have him as a Keeper of Secrets.

N'kari was always a Daemon Prince apart from a single Mat Ward era publication, originally introduced as one in 2nd and most recently noted as one in a HH novel less than a year ago. He's a Daemon Prince.

Throughout the high elf stories with Tyrion and Teclis I'm pretty sure N'kari is a Keeper of Secrets

 bullyboy wrote:

Throughout the high elf stories with Tyrion and Teclis I'm pretty sure N'kari is a Keeper of Secrets

Correct. In WFB, N'kari is very much a Keeper of Secrets.
(Don't know or care about AoS.)

in 40k N'kari is either a Keeper of Secrets or a Daemon Prince, depending on what fluff you're reading.

My speculation on the 50 Shades of Grey bit is...

Pre-primed figures

...just like Wizkids does with some Star Trek ships and D&D has available at retail.

callidusx3 wrote:
My speculation on the 50 Shades of Grey bit is...

Pre-primed figures

...just like Wizkids does with some Star Trek ships and D&D has available at retail.

Doesn’t really work with models on a sprue though, because where you cut the parts off it won’t be primed there.

Could argue that the new KoS is quite "horny", am I right?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So can the KoS kit be made into a unique named daemon like the LoC or GUO kits? Or will that be a separate kit like Skarbrand?

No word of that yet. It wouldn't be surprising that a named character comes from the kit given Rotigus and Kairos before.

callidusx3 wrote:
My speculation on the 50 Shades of Grey bit is...

Pre-primed figures

...just like Wizkids does with some Star Trek ships and D&D has available at retail.

Debunked via Facebook, I think.

The 50 shades of grey is likely a painting service that effectively uses contractors such as the FLG paint studio to complete commissions. GW will take a hefty cut but promote the service for such contractors. It will also legitimise the painting service for the industry.

That's my guess anyway.

It's going to be a VR headset with an augmented reality program making bare models appear painted.

(An airbrush or expanded spray line make the most sense to me though.)

Looking through all the videos and photos I think the Keeper of Secrets has 3 different heads

Daemon princess of Slaanesh in daemon world as far as I remember.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The 50 shades of grey is likely a painting service that effectively uses contractors such as the FLG paint studio to complete commissions. GW will take a hefty cut but promote the service for such contractors. It will also legitimise the painting service for the industry.

That's my guess anyway.

It’s like no one is reading the WHC team replies... it won’t be prepaints, coloured plastic or a painting service. It’s a tool they can sell you in their shops. My money is on airbrush or primers.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The 50 shades of grey is likely a painting service that effectively uses contractors such as the FLG paint studio to complete commissions. GW will take a hefty cut but promote the service for such contractors. It will also legitimise the painting service for the industry.

That's my guess anyway.

It’s like no one is reading the WHC team replies... it won’t be prepaints, coloured plastic or a painting service. It’s a tool they can sell you in their shops. My money is on airbrush or primers.

No I don't have time to scrawl through a million posts on Facebook right now to find information on something I'm likely not interested in.

Since you seem so sure of yourself though, care to post a link to these replies that back up your statements?

mortar_crew wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So can the KoS kit be made into a unique named daemon like the LoC or GUO kits? Or will that be a separate kit like Skarbrand?

Well, Skarbrand shares a couple of the same sprues as the BT and both of those kits can out long before the LoC and GUO.
So my guess would be that the KoS will follow the newest "pattern" and have 3 variants, including 1 named Character, all in the same box.

Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).
So there is even less reason there to have a full-on separate box for the KoS named character that doesn't yet exist.

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N'Kari should actually have a secret to share with you...

Also, previous named character GDs existing or not doesn't matter considering the named GOU you can make in the kit isn't even the one that existed prior to the kit.

If they are saying Tool, then it is so likely the airbrush, as I wouldn’t call spray cans tools necessarily.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Though from a purely narrative POV, I’d still like The Avatar of Khaine to be a bit shorter than Greater Daemons. I feel that better demonstrates its martial prowess.

That's canon now, if you accept Black Library novels as canon.


If we did get a nice big plastic Avatar, it'd be cool if it had a selection of different Wailing Dooms - spear, sword, sceptre, flail, axe ... make them big versions of the classic Exarch relic weapons.

GW being GW, i think they rather expand on the ynnari before they update some ancient avatar.

But it would be really nice to se a Kain revival with the aspects and avatar finally getting plastics.

I love the Keeper of Secrets in just about every way. It's a stunning model and I almost hope it's disappointingly expensive just so I can resist buying one.

 Irbis wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

You mean, like this?

Spoiler:

And ironically, seeing it's one of the most affordable FW kit these days, plastic one would likely cost more and not really be a big improvement...

The FW Avatars are some of my favourite models and I've just finished painting the OOP sword version, but there's a lot of gamers out there who aren't going to buy FW and as much as the original Avatar was cool at the time we really do need a new Citadel one. They'd have a hard time making it look cooler than the FW sculpts, but it'll be easier for most people to work with and it may well be bigger to fit with the general scale creep of 40k. Personally I'd rather it stayed the same size as the FW Avatars, just because I don't want to feel like mine has been somehow surpassed by a bigger Avatar! Even so, if there's a new one and it's cool, I'm buying it. A man can have two Avatars of Khaine if he wants to...

 Fayric wrote:
GW being GW, i think they rather expand on the ynnari before they update some ancient avatar.

But it would be really nice to se a Kain revival with the aspects and avatar finally getting plastics.

Quite possibly. I think I saw a quote from Jes Goodwin that he'd rather design new things than revisit old stuff, and that made me sad given he's played such a huge role in the design of the Craftworlds. But I think GW have realised recently that there is a lot of demand for updating classic lines, so I'm more hopeful than I used to be that they'll update the old stuff. I mean, the entire new Sisters release came from the responses to the last Community Survey and so the demand must have been pretty huge. I don't know about other people, but my input into that survey was pretty much along the lines of "New stuff is cool, but I'd much rather see updated plastic models for old lines that keep the design ethos of those ranges - particularly Sororitas and Craftworlds".

Aside from the fact that I'm sure they'll look incredibly cool and that I'll want them anyway, I also feel that I should buy into Sisters when they come out just to ram the point home that the market wants updated models for existing ranges.

I've got probably all of the metal aspect warriors I'll ever need, but that wouldn't stop me buying new plastics if they were done in the proper Craftworlds style. If they made them Ynnari-style and modelled after the triumvirate, however, I'd probably pass.

 Mymearan wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
One of the Perry twins lost his sculpting hand in an accident and the green knight was the first mini he sculpted after learning how to sculpt with his other hand

Pretty sure Repanse de Lyonesse was the first mini he sculpted after the accident, not the Green Knight. Remember reading about it in WD.

Yeah, I remember that article too. AFAIK, it was Repanse.

Digging a bit: Repanse was stated as the first mini Michael Perry did by Michael Perry on an interview the both of them did on WD. The Green Knight was stated as being the first by Mike McVey in a Citadel Colour WD interview sometime afterwards.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
The 50 shades of grey is likely a painting service that effectively uses contractors such as the FLG paint studio to complete commissions. GW will take a hefty cut but promote the service for such contractors. It will also legitimise the painting service for the industry.

That's my guess anyway.

It’s like no one is reading the WHC team replies... it won’t be prepaints, coloured plastic or a painting service. It’s a tool they can sell you in their shops. My money is on airbrush or primers.

It's exactly like that, as Facebook replies are a terrible way of conveying information. If you want people to stop guessing, tell the 'team' to put the actual thing in an article and post it on the main page.

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On the craftworld revamp, I suggest thing to do is organize folks for the feedback survey on e 15th. Really push for it, the way sisters were pushed.