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One potentially interesting thing is what wasn't shown: the full kits of vanguard marines.

We've all been assuming that we'll get full kits of them, as we have with the new CSM stuff. What if we aren't? Not a huge deal perhaps, but it's arguably a bit of a surprise we haven't seen or heard anything about them yet.

Or did I miss something?

Likely for Warhammerfest, which is in a little over a month.

Likely full Vanguard Marine kits will also be accompanied by an updated Marine Codex in the same fashion as the CSM dex update

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I am interested in seeing the other warzones. I'm wondering if they'll include any old ones or if they'll all be new?

A return to Armageddon could be really cool. I would be disappointed if they pull a "the true threat (Chaos) is now revealed!" and then have the Space Wolves ride in to save the day stunt again.

I think it's cool and makes narrative sense to have Khorne on Armageddon. I wouldn't mind a subplot involving Khorne, the Space Wolves and the Grey Knights. I would just prefer that the main story remains the Orks against the Steel Legion, Black Templars, White Scars and Salamanders.

That’s a bloody good point, given, to the best of my knowledge, the first War for Armageddon was Angry Ron’s last holiday in real space?

Could also set up for a plastic Ghaz. Can’t see him giving up his favourite war zone to a God of Battle without sticking his boot in,

On Armageddon right now Khorne and Tzeentch are duking it out, more or less sadly pushing the Imperium and Orks to the side.

Didn't a group a Salamanders prevent a summoning ceremony from bringing back Angron on Armageddon?

If Armageddon is the next Warzone, it would have equal potential for plastic Ghaz, Angron or even Vulkan, who was last seen on Armageddon.

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 Galef wrote:
Didn't a group a Salamanders prevent a summoning ceremony from bringing back Angron on Armageddon?

If Armageddon is the next Warzone, it would have equal potential for plastic Ghaz, Angron or even Vulkan, who was last seen on Armageddon.

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Yeah, I think that was in the BRB for 8th. There have been Khorne cults on Armageddon since the 1st* wat, and IIRC there are some large shrines hidden in the equatorial jungles.

Plastic Ghazzy, Angron and Vulkan would definitely be cool.


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 BrookM wrote:
On Armageddon right now Khorne and Tzeentch are duking it out, more or less sadly pushing the Imperium and Orks to the side.

That's a bummer.

If things are slipping, what better reason for Ghaz to rock up and ‘get fings dun propah’

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s a bloody good point, given, to the best of my knowledge, the first War for Armageddon was Angry Ron’s last holiday in real space?

Could also set up for a plastic Ghaz. Can’t see him giving up his favourite war zone to a God of Battle without sticking his boot in,

Yeah, Angron got banished back during the First* War for Armageddon.

*I'm putting asterisks near "first" because there were at least two gigantic wars for that planet previously. It totally makes sense that it would attract the attention of Khorne and Angron has a narrative reason to be there, I just don't want Khorne to steal the show.

Mandragola wrote:
One potentially interesting thing is what wasn't shown: the full kits of vanguard marines.

We've all been assuming that we'll get full kits of them, as we have with the new CSM stuff. What if we aren't? Not a huge deal perhaps, but it's arguably a bit of a surprise we haven't seen or heard anything about them yet.

Or did I miss something?

All it means is that Apocalypse is probably coming first. There were a couple of unresolved rumour engine pics that strongly resembled the Shadowspear Vanguard stuff, so multipart kits are fairly likely to happen. Don't forget we've had two major 40k army updates already this year, I doubt GW can keep things at that pace even for 40k.

I think we'll see Slaanesh in May, Apocalypse in June, then Vanguard in July/August.

Something that might be interesting is if Ghazzy were to come back and destroy Armageddon. During the Second War he became stalled out at Hades Have (which was defended by Yarrick). When he came back for the Third War he completely leveled Hades Hive from orbit as part of the opening salvoes. It might be interesting if the planet was starting to fall to Chaos for Ghazzy to turn up, smash the whole thing to fragments and then loot them to build a fleet of Space Hulks/Attack Moons.

That might feel a little cliched since Abbadon did something similar to Cadia. Also I would feel bad for the Steel Legion players.

So can the KoS kit be made into a unique named daemon like the LoC or GUO kits? Or will that be a separate kit like Skarbrand?

With all the Greater Daemons now in plastic, and a Keeper of Secrets miniature that is just stupendous and better than any Keeper that has come before, I think it's time GW did something that they've been holding off on for a very long time.

It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
With all the Greater Daemons now in plastic, and a Keeper of Secrets miniature that is just stupendous and better than any Keeper that has come before, I think it's time GW did something that they've been holding off on for a very long time.

It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

Agreed.

Eldar took my 40k cherry, many years ago. The black and white artwork of the Avatar holding a dead marine in his hand is what made me choose Eldar and that same Avatar model was used back then, 20 years ago. The phoenix lords are all OG too right? The Karandras I have painted awfully is still the same model used now? So about as big as an Ork Boy then.

Ghazzy after that though, surely?

When does Adepticon tournament coverage start?

 rollawaythestone wrote:
When does Adepticon tournament coverage start?

Game 3/4 of today starting now on warhammer tv twitch stream

With Chaos out of the way, it would be nice if any of the aliens are next, nicely tied in with a pair of campaign books. With Slaanesh on the way, it's certainly a no-brainer to have them have a go at the Aeldari, Craftworld Ianden is mentioned in the rulebook as one of the war zones invaded by Slaanesh, though GW might be better off creating another, new place to fight over instead, as with Vigilus.

 streetsamurai wrote:
One of the Perry twins lost his sculpting hand in an accident and the green knight was the first mini he sculpted after learning how to sculpt with his other hand

Pretty sure Repanse de Lyonesse was the first mini he sculpted after the accident, not the Green Knight. Remember reading about it in WD.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
With all the Greater Daemons now in plastic, and a Keeper of Secrets miniature that is just stupendous and better than any Keeper that has come before, I think it's time GW did something that they've been holding off on for a very long time.

It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

I shall answer this, in the form of a gif....



Though from a purely narrative POV, I’d still like The Avatar of Khaine to be a bit shorter than Greater Daemons. I feel that better demonstrates its martial prowess.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Something that might be interesting is if Ghazzy were to come back and destroy Armageddon. During the Second War he became stalled out at Hades Have (which was defended by Yarrick). When he came back for the Third War he completely leveled Hades Hive from orbit as part of the opening salvoes. It might be interesting if the planet was starting to fall to Chaos for Ghazzy to turn up, smash the whole thing to fragments and then loot them to build a fleet of Space Hulks/Attack Moons.

That might feel a little cliched since Abbadon did something similar to Cadia. Also I would feel bad for the Steel Legion players.

It would be rough seeing a second Guard homeworld (huh, third apparently, as idly glancing through fluff bits I just learned Mordian fell to Chaos) get shattered. I'm halfway expecting a more likely result for the warzone would be Ghazzy and Yarrick forming a temporary alliance to fend off the big Chaos invasion that threatens both of them, and then getting back to their stalemate afterwards.


So, what are the odds that units and rules built for Apocalypse stays in Apocalypse this time around? First thing I thought of seeing that was that it will bloat up regular 40k with still larger units than it already has now.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So can the KoS kit be made into a unique named daemon like the LoC or GUO kits? Or will that be a separate kit like Skarbrand?

Well, Skarbrand shares a couple of the same sprues as the BT and both of those kits can out long before the LoC and GUO.
So my guess would be that the KoS will follow the newest "pattern" and have 3 variants, including 1 named Character, all in the same box.

Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).
So there is even less reason there to have a full-on separate box for the KoS named character that doesn't yet exist.

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 Mymearan wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
One of the Perry twins lost his sculpting hand in an accident and the green knight was the first mini he sculpted after learning how to sculpt with his other hand

Pretty sure Repanse de Lyonesse was the first mini he sculpted after the accident, not the Green Knight. Remember reading about it in WD.

Pretty sure you're wrong. I had the WD were it was nominated among the best Citadel minis ever, and I would put a few quids that he said it was the first one he sculpted.

On Slaanesh, I sincerly hope that we also get a 40k slaanessh release, that that Fulgrim will make an apparition

As for Eldar, i'm at the point where I think they'll never touch them again. Which is kind of surprising, since I heard they were a popular army

If we do see another renewed conflict on Armageddon I hope the conflict between the Orks/Imperium takes center stage. I'm fine with Angron being summoned & Armageddon turning into an all out royal rumble but Armageddon is Ullanor the ork homeworld. If they get sidelined I will be pissed. Same is true if the Steel Legion get the Cadia treatment. What should have been the Cadian's finest hour was more or less bolter porn & a drama of personalities between demi-gods instead of on the actual conflict. Vulkan also stands a good chance of coming back. In order for him to return the Salamander relics must be recovered. If I am not mistaken Tu"shan possesses many of these relics, is present on Armageddon & where better to find more relics than Vulkan's last whereabouts as well the previous conflict during the great crusade on Ullanor.

Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:So can the KoS kit be made into a unique named daemon like the LoC or GUO kits? Or will that be a separate kit like Skarbrand?

Skarbrand is the only named Greater Daemon that requires a separate kit, so odds are it'll be an alternate build.

H.B.M.C. wrote:With all the Greater Daemons now in plastic, and a Keeper of Secrets miniature that is just stupendous and better than any Keeper that has come before, I think it's time GW did something that they've been holding off on for a very long time.

It's time to finally update this poor guy into something worthy of that Keeper.

Wouldn't surprise me. In addition to the Eldar unit, Daughters of Khaine have a warscroll for an Avatar already using the statue from the altar. I'd say that next time the Eldar get a major release (or when Shadowkin come out), there's a good chance we'll see an updated Avatar.

I really like that the new Slaanesh models aren't just “sexy women/female demons” .

I really hope its not Armageddon, leave the past alone. I want something new and want a bigger influence of Xenos, specifically Eldar and Necron.

I think if we want to look at what warzones they'll feature in the future, it'll be worth looking at the factions that WEREN'T on Vigilus.

Blood Angels, Emperor's Children, Tau, Necron, Tyranids.

Really standing out are the Emperor's Children, Blood Angels, and Tyranids.

All of the original Traitor Legions appeared on Vigilus EXCEPT Emperor's Children.

Even Iron Hands made it to Vigilus... but Blood Angels were MIA.

Despite having a massive Genestealer Cult infestation with multiple Patriarchs... no Tyranids to nom on the planet.

It's probably safe to say that the Ultramarines and Black Legion won't be showing up in other warzones since all of their forces are pretty committed to Vigilus.

 Galef wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
So can the KoS kit be made into a unique named daemon like the LoC or GUO kits? Or will that be a separate kit like Skarbrand?

Well, Skarbrand shares a couple of the same sprues as the BT and both of those kits can out long before the LoC and GUO.
So my guess would be that the KoS will follow the newest "pattern" and have 3 variants, including 1 named Character, all in the same box.

Also supporting this is that the previous 3 GDs already had establish named variants. KoS has never had a named variant (not counting FW or anything from more than 20yrs ago).
So there is even less reason there to have a full-on separate box for the KoS named character that doesn't yet exist.

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N'Kari should actually have a secret to share with you...

I look forward to fielding some Iron Golems, mainly to spite my Duardin player friends.