I heard from the best friend of a trucker who used to date the uncle of the old high school teacher of the second cousin, twice removed, of Mat Ward that Fulgrim is making an appearance.
Somebody get a giant pile of slugs to dump all that salt on!!!
I wonder what the chances are of some big Horus Heresy news? The Seige of Terra is in the works and I imagine that will be a pretty big deal in terms of books and models.
Not so sure on that, as FW is working on their own order, they are quite far from the Siege. Particularly with everything that went on recently with them..
I'm expecting more info on Warcry, Elites, and Forbidden Power. Those are pretty much guaranteed.
I think people are expecting some more Sisters of Battle reveals, and maybe the usual suspects, like new things for Bloodbowl, Necromunda, and Underworlds (still a Kharadron team to reveal).
Likely surprises would be Emperor's Children/Slaanesh release, or a Seraphon update (their battletome is missing online).
Danny76 wrote: Not so sure on that, as FW is working on their own order, they are quite far from the Siege. Particularly with everything that went on recently with them..
Yeah, it's probably just wishful thinking on my part.
I'm looking to rebuild my Iron Warriors army and I'm selfishly hoping to get some discounted Mk III kits to kitbash with the new 40kCSM.
drbored wrote: I'm expecting more info on Warcry, Elites, and Forbidden Power. Those are pretty much guaranteed.
I think people are expecting some more Sisters of Battle reveals, and maybe the usual suspects, like new things for Bloodbowl, Necromunda, and Underworlds (still a Kharadron team to reveal).
Likely surprises would be Emperor's Children/Slaanesh release, or a Seraphon update (their battletome is missing online).
I expect Forbidden Power, maybe a new battletome for AoS. I would say an SoB preview of some sort is likely. Emperors Children would be fantastic! But, I bet that is still a few months off from being released.
Yeah. I would be pleasantly surprised if Slaanesh stuff was previewed, as I expect it and AoS slaanesh stuff to come at the same time, and I think the Darkoaths are coming for AoS before Slaanesh. (Who I picture as being late this year, or early next, as Chaos typically is)
Danny76 wrote: That sort of reveals comes at the HH / FW weekenders and stuff normally too.
Which there may be one soon? Is there in May? I forget now..
H.B.M.C. wrote: The jokes on us... they were saving Blood Bowl Lizzies for Adeptidcon!!!
I hope.
I wish, but I doubt it cause announcing another team before the halflings release would deviate from their handling of blood bowl since it got a reboot. If they announce anything for blood bowl..it'll probably be the treeman to accompany the halflings, along with the pitch. My curiosity is piqued though, cause usually at adepticon they announce a good several things at the least.
I'd be up for a resculpt of the human BB team. It's not really up there with the newer BB teams they put out. Orks fared a bit better, but it's really sad how badly the humans aged in just 3 years or whatever it is.
That seems less likely. Humans are one of the new teams that are already out. Lizardmen are not. Neither are High Elves, Wood Elves, Chaos Dwarfs, Khemri and... I'm no doubt forgetting some. Vampires?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Would be nice to see them. Wasn’t terribly impressed by the last take on them.
To be fair, the previous Lizzie team was based upon the original Lizzie Saurus/Skinks from 5th Ed WFB (that's the one that had them and the FrenchBrets in the starterbox, yeah?). Lizzies got a big update, a bit like Tyranids from 2nd to 3rd, that redefined their aesthetic.
That's why I want to see a new Lizzie team in plastic looking like current Lizzes (or Seraphon, if you're the pedantic type). I've actually got a painted team of Lizzies, so having more things to paint that I enjoy painting would be good.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That seems less likely. Humans are one of the new teams that are already out. Lizardmen are not. Neither are High Elves, Wood Elves, Chaos Dwarfs, Khemri and... I'm no doubt forgetting some. Vampires?
H.B.M.C. wrote: That seems less likely. Humans are one of the new teams that are already out. Lizardmen are not. Neither are High Elves, Wood Elves, Chaos Dwarfs, Khemri and... I'm no doubt forgetting some. Vampires?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Would be nice to see them. Wasn’t terribly impressed by the last take on them.
To be fair, the previous Lizzie team was based upon the original Lizzie Saurus/Skinks from 5th Ed WFB (that's the one that had them and the FrenchBrets in the starterbox, yeah?). Lizzies got a big update, a bit like Tyranids from 2nd to 3rd, that redefined their aesthetic.
That's why I want to see a new Lizzie team in plastic looking like current Lizzes (or Seraphon, if you're the pedantic type). I've actually got a painted team of Lizzies, so having more things to paint that I enjoy painting would be good.
Based on the buff Carnosaur rider, not the starving stick(lizzard)men with flat heads, please. They could borrow GW's CAD file.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That seems less likely. Humans are one of the new teams that are already out. Lizardmen are not. Neither are High Elves, Wood Elves, Chaos Dwarfs, Khemri and... I'm no doubt forgetting some. Vampires?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Would be nice to see them. Wasn’t terribly impressed by the last take on them.
To be fair, the previous Lizzie team was based upon the original Lizzie Saurus/Skinks from 5th Ed WFB (that's the one that had them and the FrenchBrets in the starterbox, yeah?). Lizzies got a big update, a bit like Tyranids from 2nd to 3rd, that redefined their aesthetic.
That's why I want to see a new Lizzie team in plastic looking like current Lizzes (or Seraphon, if you're the pedantic type). I've actually got a painted team of Lizzies, so having more things to paint that I enjoy painting would be good.
Based on the buff Carnosaur rider, not the starving stick(lizzard)men with flat heads, please. They could borrow GW's CAD file.
I hope there's more info on Warcry.
Yeah whoever designed the regular saurus warriors screwed up big time. The characters etc (like the rider you emntioned) look amazing, but the rank and files?....meh
Bear in mind that those are from two entirely different eras of GW plastic production. The regular Saurus Warriors were, IIRC, released in 6th Ed, the Carnosaur came out in 8th.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping it is more like Necromunda than Kill-Team, a sort of spiritual successor to Mordheim. I am, at the very least, hoping those warbands will have extremely modular multi-part kits that allow all kinds of insane combinations and customization.
I'd consider it an outright success if those warband guys have rules for AoS. One of the reasons my foray into AoS is a half-hearted effort is the absolute lack of decent Chaos models if you want to be "Chaos Undecided", but an outright obnoxious flood of Khorne-dudes (with absolutely absurd names "BLOODSKULL GLUTESMASHER" and "MURDERTIDDYCRUSHER" or "SLAUGHTERSCROTES"). I mean, the only thing more "Warhammer" than Chaos Warriors is "Overpriced Models".
And if the game allows AoS units I'd probably go bonkers splitting my time between Kill-Team, Necromunda, 40k, AoS, and Warcry. On of my most recent efforts is to bring in new players to 40k, and I've found it's best to show new players a model kit that has uses in more than one game.
Expecting more reveals of Warcry, Kill Team Elites, and another cryptic teaser for Forbidden Power. Hopefully the reveal of the Kharadon warband for Underworlds.
Don't think we'll see a new Blod Bowl team, maybe some resin add-ons or star players, as they've just revealed the Halfling team.
Yodhrin wrote: Bear in mind that those are from two entirely different eras of GW plastic production. The regular Saurus Warriors were, IIRC, released in 6th Ed, the Carnosaur came out in 8th.
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Yeah, the first real multipart Lizzies came out in the very early oughts. Even back then the Saurus models were really scrawny compared to the artwork released for the new and improved™ look they were supposed to have. The BB video game had very buff Sauri, too. The Carni rider is the first (and only plastic) Saurus even remotely looking like the artwork my teen self drooled over.
It's also the only pc 3D sculpted Saurus so far, so using him as a base should be a given. At least in my dreams.
stahly wrote: ... and another cryptic teaser for Forbidden Power.
Wouldn't that be fun! Another teaser that tells us even less than the last one!
I'm kind of split on plastic Sisters previews that some are expecting. On the one hand, since the release is so far back in the year I'm really not expecting anything good until at least August (there should be a continental Warhammer Fest then, right?). On the other hand, I think with the Battle Sister Bulletin started now I expect they still want to do a major reveal at an event instead of the bulletin (say, the new look of Repentia) which will only expand on that reveal afterwards.
I do hope for more Warcry and finally something on Slaanesh myself. I'll take Darkoath, too, if it comes to that. But especially the wait for Slaanesh has been drawn out long enough as far as I'm concerned.
Could it be attempts to make Stormcast from souls other than human?
I thought they already did, it was just they're not represented as models?
Originally it was speculated but then it was cleared that no, theres only Human Stormcast because the others Gods don't allow Sigmar to steal the souls of their subjects.
I hope they show off the Kill Team Elites boxes they already teased (Ork Flash Gitz & Thousand sons scarab occult terminators) so we can see if they include any terrain in them and if so what terrain. Orks could get the speed freeks stuff or just the mekboy workshop but what would 1k sons get, something new? Or both just neutral buildings?
I also hope they show off some new character sculpts for KT, in the same vein as the admech manipulus. So many factions could use another datasheet or two so and KT would be a perfect vehicle to introduce that so I really want that to become a trend.
Even though Vigilus ablaze isn't even out yet, I really want them to at least tease where the storyline is going next in 40k.
The mek shop is based on the Imperial frontier ruins. It would be easy to put the latter in the Chaos box so they don't have Ork themed terrain but still something that pairs well with the Ork box.
I don't think they'll tease any story progression two days before the general public can read what's going on right now. Also good to remember that the last time we got Girlyman's resurrection in March and they let that stand for another three months until Dark Imperium was released. GW doesn't seem to be in too much of a hurry to start the next chapter, if you will. You'll likely have a better chance to sift through tiny notes in Vigilus Ablaze and maybe find a hint of what GW has planned next.
Galas wrote: A shame, I really really wanted an orc stormcast.
You set your dreams too low.
Bring on a Halfling Stormcast army. Where you put down regular Stormcast, but when they take a wound they split into two halflings wearing halves of the armor.
At least the Kharadron warband for shadespire should be revealed, right? They tend to release warbands at the same time, and the Sylvanneth warband was shown off months back.
stahly wrote: ... and another cryptic teaser for Forbidden Power.
Wouldn't that be fun! Another teaser that tells us even less than the last one!
I'm kind of split on plastic Sisters previews that some are expecting. On the one hand, since the release is so far back in the year I'm really not expecting anything good until at least August (there should be a continental Warhammer Fest then, right?). On the other hand, I think with the Battle Sister Bulletin started now I expect they still want to do a major reveal at an event instead of the bulletin (say, the new look of Repentia) which will only expand on that reveal afterwards.
I do hope for more Warcry and finally something on Slaanesh myself. I'll take Darkoath, too, if it comes to that. But especially the wait for Slaanesh has been drawn out long enough as far as I'm concerned.
I'm hoping they blindside us with the Sisters, just preview nothing then one week BAM! Full range preview with pre-orders and a battle box.
I'd buy a Seraphon Blood Bowl team for the sheer principal of it if they announce it.
I agree with the comments about the models never living up to the artwork, with the possible exception of the old scar vet that came with the carnosaur.
Why show off a new faction when they could brinng these guys up to modernity sculpt wise and make them as cool as they should be?
Although I'd be happy with some new Kill Team or Xeno models as well...
Yeah this must be a trailer for the whole line going on LCTB
Given how closely tied Slannesh is to the history of the Aelves and there gods in AoS I hope more comes out of this plotline than "just" a new Chaos battletome.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Yeah this must be a trailer for the whole line going on LCTB
Given how closely tied Slannesh is to the history of the Aelves and there gods in AoS I hope more comes out of this plotline than "just" a new Chaos battletome.
Slaanesh was never "closely tied" to Elves prior to AoS, so I find it interest that they are going that direction now. Especially with how intrinsic She Who Thrists is to Aeldari in 40K. GW seem to pick and choose when they want their 2 worlds to have parallels or not.
I guess if we're ever getting an Emperor's Children codex, now would be the time. Might not be previewed at Adepticon but I'd expect it soon-ish if I were to expect it within the next couple years.
Danny76 wrote: On a side not what is “When Sigmar’s chosen spilled the blood of innocents” referring to?
Several of the fiction pieces leading up to Malign Portents had Sigmarines wiping out whole villages. Several were web pieces when they released the 4 champion models (darkoath/gobbo/?? and whoever)
GoatboyBeta wrote: Yeah this must be a trailer for the whole line going on LCTB
Given how closely tied Slannesh is to the history of the Aelves and there gods in AoS I hope more comes out of this plotline than "just" a new Chaos battletome.
Slaanesh was never "closely tied" to Elves prior to AoS, so I find it interest that they are going that direction now. Especially with how intrinsic She Who Thrists is to Aeldari in 40K. GW seem to pick and choose when they want their 2 worlds to have parallels or not.
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Except, well, Morathi. And that whole cult thing that had its own army list during the Storm of Retcons.
And whichever phoenix king faced off with a ginormous Keeper of Secrets in the Vortex.
Englishman is upset that a faction other than orks is getting attention. In other shocking news, the sky is blue and the earth orbits the sun.
Slaanesh Daemons is one of the traditionally ignored factions in terms of model releases, as much as Aeldari. It isn't a bad thing that they're finally getting their update. This is an AoS release slot anyways, which recently has mostly been elves and undead.
Englishman is upset that a faction other than orks is getting attention. In other shocking news, the sky is blue and the earth orbits the sun.
Slaanesh Daemons is one of the traditionally ignored factions in terms of model releases, as much as Aeldari. It isn't a bad thing that they're finally getting their update. This is an AoS release slot anyways, which recently has mostly been elves and undead.
Not really.
More bored with the obsession with Chaos and SM that GW have. It's becoming quite boring. So boring it makes me lose interest in the game.
I distinctly remember new models in a box set that had Chaos Daemons in? New Seekers? Ring any bells? A harpist?
It's a stupid decision to release more Chaos stuff immediately after giving Chaos literally the largest 40k release this edition.
I wouldn't say GW is more obssesed with Chaos and Space Marines than McDonnald with the BigMac.
Is like, all of their identity. When you think Warhammer you think Space Marines or Chaos.
Englishman is upset that a faction other than orks is getting attention. In other shocking news, the sky is blue and the earth orbits the sun.
Slaanesh Daemons is one of the traditionally ignored factions in terms of model releases, as much as Aeldari. It isn't a bad thing that they're finally getting their update. This is an AoS release slot anyways, which recently has mostly been elves and undead.
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The last major release this year was literally greenskins. (Grots but okay).
I don't think there's any real proof of that. Not everyone plays everything, and there are some people who have been waiting for a Slaaneshi Reunion Tour for quite some time.
We already got plastic Fiends, which are awesome, so now it's time for the KoS and hopefully some new mortal followers to appear.
Plus, Slaanesh had some stuff updated in Wrath & Rapture. Those mad keen on Slaaneshi Daemons have been able to get their mitts on really quite nice Fiends for a few weeks now.
Keeper of Secrets? That’s gonna sell regardless. Anything else is likely to be AoS Mortals Of Slaanesh. Maybe some form of Slaaneshi Beastmen too.
Slaanesh has been a LONG time waiting - heck all four of the other Chaos Gods in AoS have had big releases and new Greater demons (yes all four - Skaven formally count now with their Veminlords in AoS).
I just really hope that along with a Greater Demon we get some new demonic units for Slannesh! Since we can't hope for new deamonettes and their ilk we can at least hope for some new models for the range (which hasn't had anything actually new in a very very very long time save for one hero playing a blood harp
A Slaneeshi daemon engine would be awesome, but since this an AOS release that's a near impossibility. Looking forward to seeing the KOS and happy Slaneeshi players are getting a long deserved update.
How many years have Slaanesh followers been waiting for their new Greater Deamon?
I for one, will buy everything from this release.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Wonder if we’ll see variety to match the Bloodthirster (three distinct types), or Great Unclean Ones (same gribbly, different Weapons)
Excited for Slaanesh; in this racket any news is good news. Hopefully some of them will translate to 40k, and the eventual release of even more content for AoS and 40k.
An Actual Englishman wrote: I underestimate spending ability in one of the most expensive hobbies available?
It's not like the CSM release was small and it's not like the subset of CSM players that play EC/Slaanesh didn't buy those new kits.
Again, this is a Sigmar release slot. None of the people who are playing Chaos in that game got... anything out of the CSM release. Furthermore, this release will almost certainly have Sigmar-exclusive mortal units, like the Arcanites for Tzeentch and the Rotbringers for Nurgle so those won't transfer over to 40kCSM players anyways.
Yeah, 40k players are lucky in that when AoS gets releases it tends be daemon and therefore useable.
But a 40k release is just that.
Every point someone makes Englishman you are replying about CSM straight away to be fair, and till we know more about the Slaanesh release, it is Just for AoS.
(I do think in time we’d perhaos see the EC soon following, but maybe not.
Could just be a KoS and then mortal stuff.but again that would be useable models though not a 40k ‘release’ in any way)
Good for AoS players, and good for Slaanesh fans. Never understood the frustration of players of various races/armies whinging all the time. Particularly Ork players. And I say this as a predominantly Eldar player (not silly Harlequins or stupid Dark Eldar...). If anyone "should" be sour over their model line...it's the Eldar.
This makes sense as well, if Slaanesh gets all of their daemons sorted out - then in 12-18 months or whenever an actual Emperor's Children army comes to fruition some of its groundwork will have already been laid - making that launch easier.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Wonder if we’ll see variety to match the Bloodthirster (three distinct types), or Great Unclean Ones (same gribbly, different Weapons)
I'm more concerned with how it's going to look. Lithe and feminine, or more weirdly daemonic, or bull-headed (literally). The KoS is the one GD that hasn't had a consistent look over the years.
Looks like we may be finding out a bit more about Slaanesh release tomorrow. I'm excited for all the Dark Prince players out there. It certainly has been a while. I'm not a Slaanesh guy myself, but am very interested to see if he gets any mortal followers and what they look like. Secretly hoping for Cenobite/ Demon Bikers from Mandy vibe, and not just "perfect beauty" stuff.
I'm hoping we see some more about Warcry tomorrow, that game has me pumped.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Wonder if we’ll see variety to match the Bloodthirster (three distinct types), or Great Unclean Ones (same gribbly, different Weapons)
I'm more concerned with how it's going to look. Lithe and feminine, or more weirdly daemonic, or bull-headed (literally). The KoS is the one GD that hasn't had a consistent look over the years.
I cannot agree more.
I for one, hope they came back to the RoC original design, the feminine look being for the lesser deamon in my opinion.
Excited anyway, all GD models have been great (litterally) so I am looking forward a cow headed KoS with a lot,
lot of jewels like they did with the fiends recently.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Wonder if we’ll see variety to match the Bloodthirster (three distinct types), or Great Unclean Ones (same gribbly, different Weapons)
It's a little easier to make customisable parts for a more-or-less humanoid form than for Blobby McBlobface, so I would expect something more akin to the Bloodthirster.
Sabotage! wrote: Looks like we may be finding out a bit more about Slaanesh release tomorrow. I'm excited for all the Dark Prince players out there. It certainly has been a while. I'm not a Slaanesh guy myself, but am very interested to see if he gets any mortal followers and what they look like. Secretly hoping for Cenobite/ Demon Bikers from Mandy vibe, and not just "perfect beauty" stuff.
I'm hoping we see some more about Warcry tomorrow, that game has me pumped.
It would be interesting if they expanded beyond sex and into other indulgences\obsessions. Maybe some big fat models with a food\drink theme? Maybe some models with a wealth theme that have extremely ornate, gilded and bejeweled armor? (I'm not saying to get rid of sex and pain, just to have other themes going on too.)
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: It would be interesting if they expanded beyond sex and into other indulgences\obsessions. Maybe some big fat models with a food\drink theme? Maybe some models with a wealth theme that have extremely ornate, gilded and bejeweled armor? (I'm not saying to get rid of sex and pain, just to have other themes going on too.)
I was hoping for more of a 'music' and 'art' thing with a bit of Cenobite.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Wonder if we’ll see variety to match the Bloodthirster (three distinct types), or Great Unclean Ones (same gribbly, different Weapons)
There were a few more difference than just the weapon. The model has three builds including a special character.
Rogerio134134 wrote:I'm honestly not fussed now got so much to paint with the entire shadow spear set so I'm hoping they release stuff I don't want now
You and me both. If wasn't for the fact all the new CSM were so pricey, I would have tried to revamp my whole army. My old CSM are going to see some table time for bit more. I might actually go back to playing a little non-Kill Team 40k for a bit because of everything.
For anyone else that wants the new stuff, I hope it is nice. I am just full up at the moment and don't want the painting cue to get too full.
Adeptus Doritos wrote:I'm more curious about the Warcry stuff, because I want a Chaos Warband now.
I normally have near no interest in Age of Sigmar or fantasy in general anymore (way too much D&D when I was younger), but boy howdy, those Chaos models look really nice. A not completely pants on head price and group of players at my FLGS could very well convince me to buy it I think.
Danny76 wrote: On a side not what is “When Sigmar’s chosen spilled the blood of innocents” referring to?
Several of the fiction pieces leading up to Malign Portents had Sigmarines wiping out whole villages. Several were web pieces when they released the 4 champion models (darkoath/gobbo/?? and whoever)
GoatboyBeta wrote: Yeah this must be a trailer for the whole line going on LCTB
Given how closely tied Slannesh is to the history of the Aelves and there gods in AoS I hope more comes out of this plotline than "just" a new Chaos battletome.
Slaanesh was never "closely tied" to Elves prior to AoS, so I find it interest that they are going that direction now. Especially with how intrinsic She Who Thrists is to Aeldari in 40K. GW seem to pick and choose when they want their 2 worlds to have parallels or not.
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Except, well, Morathi. And that whole cult thing that had its own army list during the Storm of Retcons.
And whichever phoenix king faced off with a ginormous Keeper of Secrets in the Vortex.
And N'kari's constant hard on for trying to destroy Ulthuan and getting revenge on Tyrion and Teclis.
An Actual Englishman wrote: I underestimate spending ability in one of the most expensive hobbies available?
I take you never seen any hobby tied to automobiles. Or hell, high end PC gaming or whatever fad audio-idio-philes are chasing now.
In fact, unless you play something inane like full Krieg conscript army, I'd say with a bit of foresight and saving up for boxed sets of minis and paints, wargaming is really not that expensive, especially all smaller and skirmish variants...
JohnnyHell wrote: ‘Stupid’ to release a faction people have been clamouring for since AoS launch?
I think not.
Really?
Do a lot of CSM players also take Daemons? Yes. Yes they do.
Have a lot of those players just spaffed all their money on the ton of new models, Vigilus Ablaze and the new codex? Yes. Yes they have.
A large subsection of the market they are aiming this release at are already saturated with previous releases.
Therefore - less sales.
If Chaos players blew their entire wad on the models without waiting for this month and section/category of releases to be over with. That's their fault. Not good planning considering on how much love Chaos has been getting because of Vigilus. Literally have 2 whole sections of Chaos to release still. Khorne was obviously going to be the last so it doesnt drown out the rest because of its popularity
An Actual Englishman wrote: I underestimate spending ability in one of the most expensive hobbies available?
I take you never seen any hobby tied to automobiles. Or hell, high end PC gaming or whatever fad audio-idio-philes are chasing now.
In fact, unless you play something inane like full Krieg conscript army, I'd say with a bit of foresight and saving up for boxed sets of minis and paints, wargaming is really not that expensive, especially all smaller and skirmish variants...
Yeah, the only reason 40k has this reputation as The Mostest Expensiver Hobby OMG is because people often compare it to adolescent hobbies that are either very cheap in individual installments but extremely expensive overall (Magic cards, comic books, etc) or where someone's parents very often pays the actually expensive part of the hobby (video games probably being the most common.)
If you are approaching hobbies as an adult, who has to buy their own PC, or mountain bike, or sports equipment, the buy in to 40k is a lot more comparable, and less expensive in a lot of cases.
at this point 40k is my only hobby that actively pays for itself. this'll be my second year spending only what I make through commission painting and reselling old miniatures.
An Actual Englishman wrote: I underestimate spending ability in one of the most expensive hobbies available?
I take you never seen any hobby tied to automobiles. Or hell, high end PC gaming or whatever fad audio-idio-philes are chasing now.
In fact, unless you play something inane like full Krieg conscript army, I'd say with a bit of foresight and saving up for boxed sets of minis and paints, wargaming is really not that expensive, especially all smaller and skirmish variants...
I would say it's expensive... in terms of table top type of hobbies. All of the updates in terms of rules, models, books, paints, terrain. Not to mention the capital to have to dedicate a space for it, because most armies take up quite a bit of room, once you get into more than 1.
As far as the “different bloodthirsters” thing goes, they’re pretty straight with us that Khorne has a military view, and there are 8 tiers of BTs. Each one has a name and a specific build. We get access to three tiers (8, 6, 3) in the forms of Unfettered, Insensate, and Wrath. The other gods aren’t as military focused, so we probably won’t see the same name options, but will still see multiple weapon options. This is one of those things that sets Khorne armies apart from the others.
On topic...HOLY gak, I GET MY SLAANESH TEASER!! WOOHOO!!!!
Warhammer Live is on now, saying that "one of the biggest studio reveals of the year" was happening in about 20m (that was 12m ago) and that it'd be online about an hour after everything was done.
They've said it won't be on the stream as the people who are at the event get to see it first (fair enough!). The room size has also increased from 100 people to 500 people. We'll get the news in a bit over an hour or so, once everything is done.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Warhammer Live is on now, saying that "one of the biggest studio reveals of the year" was happening in about 20m (that was 12m ago) and that it'd be online about an hour after everything was done.
Hoping it's actually something huge rather than sisters or something we know is coming, so BFG or epic revival, anything else is run of the mill good news, but not "huge"
Carlovonsexron wrote: I hope I can be forgiven for scanning quickly and initially reading that as "scumburg"
Its in Chicagoland, so... yeah, that's fine.
Hopefully they've improved in recent years, but a few decades ago I drove around the city on the way to GenCon (back when that was in Wisconsin), and the insides of my nose and mouth were grey from all the pollution in the air.
That sort of thing leaves an impression- it was even worse than LA for air quality.
Carlovonsexron wrote: I hope I can be forgiven for scanning quickly and initially reading that as "scumburg"
Its in Chicagoland, so... yeah, that's fine.
Hopefully they've improved in recent years, but a few decades ago I drove around the city on the way to GenCon (back when that was in Wisconsin), and the insides of my nose and mouth were grey from all the pollution in the air.
That sort of thing leaves an impression- it was even worse than LA for air quality.
Sounds thematically appropriate for a Necomunda reveal at least!
gak, i'm excited for this and i'm not even a chaos worshipper.
The thing i'm most interested in seeing is how they handle Slaanesh mortals. The Khorne blokes (name?) aren't great, what with their ridiculous chain hammers and other such weapons, but the Karic Acolytes and Blight Kings are both fantastic looking kits. I think there's a lot of potential for the mortal scions of the Dark Prince.
Same! I'm hoping slaanesh will give a ton of good conversion options for making Greco-Roman style troops. (I'm an order guy at heart- but goodness knows Kairic acolytes are my current favorite human model)
Lots of good stuff in there, overall. Will be interesting to see what they've done with Apocalypse, although I'm expecting it to be eye-wateringly expensive, and it seems somewhat redundant to make an even more simplistic system for mass battles when that's already what they've done to 40K...
The AoS dwarves continue to be fantastic. I wish I had a reason to buy them.
Slaanesh stuff is up! Honestly, the Prince is a letdown (I was SURE they’d bring Azazel in since he hates Sigmar so much), and I already have the Masque in metal. Love the KoS except the head; and I’m sure we’ll get alternate heads. Already an option shown to have more than 2 claws and possibly a shield. Still holding out for a whip option too. And I’m sure there will be a unique character. The mirror thing is awesome, but the faces are a bit goofy; might swap them out.
Anyway, the War Cry stuff looks great. The Fyreslyer stuff is whatever (although the terrain piece solves a rumour engine thing from a while back). Slaanesh stuff is pretty good over all (mirror/portal girls have dumb faces). I'd prefer a different head for the KOS, otherwise it's fantastic.
As for 40K? Well, the tagline for Apocalypse III should be "You think the FoC means nothing in 8th? You ain't seen nuthin' yet!!!". Apocalypse II was an absolute mess where everything went from variable formations like "3 to 8 Monoliths" to "Take 8 Monoliths". Who the feth owns 8 Monoliths? It was peak Kirby-era GW that expansion. Hopefully this can improve, but I see no new minis/terrain, so who cares?
H.B.M.C. wrote: For some reason I doubt there will be much in the way of 40K reveals. We just had Shadowspear, Chaos v1.1 and Vigilus 2.
Yeah, that was certainly a surprise. Nice enough, although the pose really highlights how absurdly proportioned terminators are, since there is no way his arms actually connect to his torso... his left armpit is level with his cheek.
So the Warcry does have a chaos ogor and duardin (though we suspected that from the older pics)
I'm groovin on the Iron Golems. There are a ton more than just the six we initially saw. Which is even better, though the price will be pretty high most likely
Warcry is the first and only new fantasy stuff GW has done which has actually intrigued me (I correct myself, I bought the Shadespire Skellingtons for dungeon crawls, they're great).
AoS has been absolutely mega-lame...but this Warcry aesthetic/feel is doing things. I approve.
Yeah, that was certainly a surprise. Nice enough, although the pose really highlights how absurdly proportioned terminators are, since there is no way his arms actually connect to his torso... his left armpit is level with his cheek.
Indeed. It looks pretty terrible, lol.
They are perfectly capable of making indomitus pattern terminators look correct. Some of the Deathwing terminators have arms that actually come out of the body (even if they still have heads way too far forward). As it stands, though, most look like crazy astartes torture chambers where their limbs are dislocated and just crammed into them and their heads are removed and reattached between their pecs.
Sylvanneth vs Gloomspite box is coming too. I'm guessing the gloomspite won't get a new character, but it would be a great way to give the Sylvanneth something new.
And the people that said the gargoyle imps from Warcry were Furies were correct. So, also plastic furies. woohoo.
I'm actually getting a bit interested in the Warcry stuff. It gives me the old warhammer chaos vibes a bit, like the nomadic chaos tribes in the northern old world.
Anyone able to identify the other 9 warbands? Gloomspites, Ironjawz, Bonesplitterz...I'm guessing Daughters of Khaine, Legion of Nagash, and maybe Deepkin?
Someone should link the Fifty Shelves of Grey trailer here as well, so everyone can enjoy it. Oddly fitting with the reveal of Slaanesh and really well done. I'm guessing it may lead to airbrushes? Something along those lines that would make painting easier.
GaroRobe wrote: Sylvanneth vs Gloomspite box is coming too. I'm guessing the gloomspite won't get a new character, but it would be a great way to give the Sylvanneth something new.
And the people that said the gargoyle imps from Warcry were Furies were correct. So, also plastic furies. woohoo.
Gloomspite needs a plastic Madcap Shaman, a plastic Loonboss with a Giant Cave Squig and a plastic Loonboss on a Giant Cave Squig for existing warscrolls.
Red Corsair wrote: At first I thought it was going to be prepainted minis.
From the look of it, I am guessing it is a wider range of rattle can base coat primers. After all, Vallejo just released theres.
Vallejo tends to follow GW's lead in some ways. I see their new spray paints as a response to the colored spray paints GW and Army Painter already have.
Irbis wrote: I wonder what dumb excuse FUDders will now invent to shift goalposts again in their inane screeching that was already utter nonsense?
Sorry, Ibydibbydo, but I don't see any old Marine releases there.
I see a Terminator, and it's high disingenuous to try and call that an "old Marine" release. Still ain't see a regular power armour Marine since Primaris came about.
I'm counting it XD
After all, we haven't had a non Primaris Marine model in years. Kind of funny to be excited for another exclusive marine model, but I'll take what I can get
That old-style terminator looks like something out of Warcraft 3. The proportions on those guys look like such a mess nowadays.
In order to make him look taller, they've stretched out the connection between the torso and the legs, but it just looks like someone glued the torso too far back.
I see a Terminator, and it's high disingenuous to try and call that an "old Marine" release. Still ain't see a regular power armour Marine since Primaris came about.
well yeah if by old marines you mean "we've not had a tac squad in awhile"
For the Fifty Shelves of Grey thing, could they do something as simple as give entire model ranges colored sprues?
Like all orks will now come in green plastic, so you technically can get away with not painting?
That KOS actually WOWed me. I am a bit in awe of how they actually managed to perfectly capture it as a beautiful androgynous monster. It looks masculine and feminine at the same time while also clearly being otherworldly. While at first the pose was a bit of a letdown, the more i stare at it, and when i see it surrounded by other stuff I think it was the best choice. I can just imagine warriors staring at it as it glides forward killing all of their friends.
Warcry stuff looks great and frankly I'm most excited for a potential Gloomspite Gits vs Sylvaneth box as they are my main AoS armies and I would use every model in the box.
That terrain piece for Slaanesh looks so cool. I wish they would have shown us some mortal units though. I don't really like the look of the hellstriders I wanted some sleek armored chaos warrioresses lol.
Absolutely love the new KoS, but I think I prefer the old Masque. It would be nice if the KoS has another head, that one is gorgeous but potentially a bit serene imo.
I'm interested to see where Warcry goes with the other warbands, and I'm pleased it won't be chaos only.
Ok the 50 Shelves of Grey thing has me interested (I thought it was a BL thing at first and skipped over it). More base colour sprays is a good thing. Will they do spray washes?
nagash42 wrote: That terrain piece for Slaanesh looks so cool. I wish they would have shown us some mortal units though.
angryboy2k wrote: Wait, the “most requested plastic model” was the Keeper of Secrets?
Not a Thunderhawk?
Online noise notwithstanding, I very much doubt the Thunderhawk would rate in the top 10 most requested models, since it's too large to be practical for most games.
By contrast, people have been asking for plastic Greater Demons for an awful long time, and the previous metal KoS looked like butt.
GaroRobe wrote: For the Fifty Shelves of Grey thing, could they do something as simple as give entire model ranges colored sprues?
Like all orks will now come in green plastic, so you technically can get away with not painting?
Colored sprues wouldn't be "... adding something huge to our paint range..."
I asked a question about Apocalypse whether they are going give factions that don't have many titanic more titanic models. They said yes, but they were not ready to give more information on it yet. There was a rumor few months back saying Apocalypse and every faction was going to get new titanic model. This is not exactly confirmation of the rumor but close
For anyone who was at the seminar, did they give a release time for my Slaanesh stuff? I didn’t see one on WC, but hopeful they said something at the seminar.
What's the point of apoc in this edition (or the last one) when you already have rules for using superheavies in even small games? Will it be a Kill Team expansion?
clodax66 wrote: I asked a question about Apocalypse whether they are going give factions that don't have many titanic more titanic models. They said yes, but they were not ready to give more information on it yet. There was a rumor few months back saying Apocalypse and every faction was going to get new titanic model. This is not exactly confirmation of the rumor but close
Does that means the Custodes are getting a big ol' honken grav tank? I hope it means they get a big ol' honkin grav tank.
Hmm, I think I still prefer the more overtly female forge world KoS. This one is alright, but kind of bland. A little too elegant, not nasty enough with any flesh mutilation...very pg to be honest. Not a big fan of the arms wide pose either.
The demon prince however is pretty cool. But I could do without the herald doing whatever over his head.
warboss wrote: What's the point of apoc in this edition (or the last one) when you already have rules for using superheavies in even small games? Will it be a Kill Team expansion?
warboss wrote: What's the point of apoc in this edition (or the last one) when you already have rules for using superheavies in even small games? Will it be a Kill Team expansion?
It's a new rule set like Kill Team, but in the opposite direction.
timetowaste85 wrote: For anyone who was at the seminar, did they give a release time for my Slaanesh stuff? I didn’t see one on WC, but hopeful they said something at the seminar.
They didn't give an ETA but implied it was going to be soon.
And a shield option as well, I don't even collect daemons of any form but I am really tempted to pick that model up. The more I see the more I like it.
I'm loving the detail on the KOS. I wish the back arms were a little more dynamic, and I hope that there are a few more options for heads/weapons than what we've seen so far, (shield, 1 alt head). We'll see what happens. Either way, gorgeous model. Can't wait to add it to my army and convert it up to my taste!
Surprised by the lack of Elites info, and 40k stuff in general. Just a 'more warzones are coming!' I'm glad to be done with Vigilus and there are plenty of factions that still need their own iterations of 'specialist detachments', but I couldn't care less if there aren't new models to support those releases.
clodax66 wrote: I asked a question about Apocalypse whether they are going give factions that don't have many titanic more titanic models. They said yes, but they were not ready to give more information on it yet. There was a rumor few months back saying Apocalypse and every faction was going to get new titanic model. This is not exactly confirmation of the rumor but close
Does that means the Custodes are getting a big ol' honken grav tank? I hope it means they get a big ol' honkin grav tank.
They didn't say all factions were getting titanic units it just that they were going to add more to some under represented factions. Custodes are imperium and imperium has plenty of titanic
GaroRobe wrote: For the Fifty Shelves of Grey thing, could they do something as simple as give entire model ranges colored sprues?
Like all orks will now come in green plastic, so you technically can get away with not painting?
Colored sprues wouldn't be "... adding something huge to our paint range..."
Well the Iron Golems look fantastic. The new Fyreslayer stuff is cool too, though it isn't for me.
Interested to see what the new paint product is.
The Slaanesh stuff, other than the Champion guy with the demonette on his shoulders looks super uninspired. Technically this KoS is a better sculpt than he the old one, but the old one has a way better design in my opinion. Everything else is just "stuff with more demonettes on it." I hope Slaanesh gets something a bit more interesting than this stuff.
I like the new KoS quite a bit. The other models look okay, aside from some of their faces.
The Warcry models look good. I don't know if I'll be getting into it though.
clodax66 wrote: I asked a question about Apocalypse whether they are going give factions that don't have many titanic more titanic models. They said yes, but they were not ready to give more information on it yet. There was a rumor few months back saying Apocalypse and every faction was going to get new titanic model. This is not exactly confirmation of the rumor but close
I'm definitely interested in the new Apocalypse. If they came out with new titanic units that would be pretty rad. Hopefully they would fix the way Macro works (if they even acknowledge it since that's a Forge World rule).
Warcry getting non Chaos warbands so soon is surprising. The factions do seem fairly recognisable from the icons.(except the flaming skull, not sure about that one). I wonder if they will be new versions of existing stuff, or if Warcy will be used as a way to sneak in small range expansions? The regular Chaos warbands already seem to me like a stealth revamp of the Marauders.
New Apocalypse is a big "meh" so far for me. Especially the 40k movement trays. But the prospect of more big models for underserved factions is intriguing.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Warcry getting non Chaos warbands so soon is surprising.
I suspect they'll use existing miniatures rather than new ones. It's a way of getting people into the game quickly using stuff they already own whilst we wait for the new warbands to trickle out.
Lots of good stuff in there, overall. Will be interesting to see what they've done with Apocalypse, although I'm expecting it to be eye-wateringly expensive, and it seems somewhat redundant to make an even more simplistic system for mass battles when that's already what they've done to 40K...
The AoS dwarves continue to be fantastic. I wish I had a reason to buy them.
Except 40k isn't even close to actually work as "big battle" rule. 40k is pittances skirmish in scale.
Though not sure what new rules can do about the core issue of 32mm scale models. Those just don't work for big battles. Titans at spitting distances rather than reasonable ranges, no room to manouver...Who has 18'x10' type of boards?
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GaroRobe wrote: For the Fifty Shelves of Grey thing, could they do something as simple as give entire model ranges colored sprues?
Like all orks will now come in green plastic, so you technically can get away with not painting?
Do they? Last orks I bought(scrappajet and shockjump dragstas) came in grey...
Coloured plastics seems to be for battlebox specific kits.
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warboss wrote: What's the point of apoc in this edition (or the last one) when you already have rules for using superheavies in even small games? Will it be a Kill Team expansion?
To have rules that actually make it feel like BIG battles rather than 40k skirmishes? Hint you don't get that just by adding more models to the table. New ruleset is requirement so this is right step. Only issue left is model scale. To make sense you need then up the board sizes. And not just width but depth...
warboss wrote: What's the point of apoc in this edition (or the last one) when you already have rules for using superheavies in even small games? Will it be a Kill Team expansion?
To have rules that actually make it feel like BIG battles rather than 40k skirmishes? Hint you don't get that just by adding more models to the table. New ruleset is requirement so this is right step. Only issue left is model scale. To make sense you need then up the board sizes. And not just width but depth...
Maybe they'll have suggestions for table layouts that allow for access and/or rules for moving between tables?
Clear plastic movement trays for Apocalypse eh? Interesting. They will certainly be a useful addition to the range even for smaller games, as ever though their viability will be cost dependant.
The KOS is amazing, have never really been a fan of Slaanesh but I forsee a boatload of amazing Golden Demon entries for that miniature.
If only they released rules for a suitable scale mass battle game, say something in the 6-8mm range... I was half hoping that would be announced at Adepticon but don't know if GW and FW are counted as one and the same in these instances.
H.B.M.C. wrote: One giant table is impractical, then how impractical would multiple tables be? Most people can't do either.
Yeah, but most people don't have Apoc armies either do they?
Most big games I've played in have been lots of people with regular-sized armies and we just shoved our normal tables together. It seemed to work okay, and didn't seem all that impractical. I think it could be done better though.
The more I see the KoS, the more I love it.
I just hope there are a few more options in the kit,
especially a hand without a sword (with a /rod of command scepter)
but as it, gorgeous miniature.
For sure it was long. But Slaanesh rewards the faithfull...
It looks like there are a few more spells (?) and a big, big rune of a piece of
scenery from the video. Again superb stuff.
Now all I want is a release date (and may be a new credit card...)
Happy with the show, none-chaos involvement in Warcry gives me hope for running a highborn warband, of course, if the rules are good. I've hoped they'd preview the new terrain but no such thing.
Slaanesh has dub step as its theme. Fitting, most fitting selection.
It's kinda perfect, isn't it? I mean, especially with that second head it basically embodies everything about Slaanesh. It's alluring to look at at first glance, but as you keep looking you see the grotesquery of it all.
The new KOS looks great. Very PG13 though, which is a shame.
Which is pretty much my opinion on all of the new Slaanesh models apart from the camp daemonettes with pigtails.
No real 40k news apart from the Slaanesh crossover units though? More battlezones 'at some undefined time in the future'. Right. Apoc?! Lol seriously GW if this is some BS excuse to try and force me to use only +your+ movement trays at competitive events I'm done.
Glad I didn't stay up for this. It would have been a waste for me.
But yeah, the lack of 40K news other than Apoc and its dumb movement trays and a news that might as well have been "We promise to release things for 40K in the future!" for all the detail it gave us means this wasn't the greatest reveal for 40K.
Still, it should give us home for the Emperor's Children, something they've not had since 3.5 and the days of that blasted Siren spell.
KoS and a new DP/Herald are stunning.
But man, does the whole range look sterile.... Appart from fiends.
That I feared.
God of pleasure, decadence, excess, lust, passion and perfection.
All I see is the last part being implemented into slick design, armor and robes. I guess whips are there for everything else?
I really had hoped that somehow the magic of Diazanettes will return.
Again, the 2 models mentioned above are amazing, it`s just not very Slaanesh... More Cirque du Soleil.
An Actual Englishman wrote: The new KOS looks great. Very PG13 though, which is a shame.
Which is pretty much my opinion on all of the new Slaanesh models apart from the camp daemonettes with pigtails.
No real 40k news apart from the Slaanesh crossover units though? More battlezones 'at some undefined time in the future'. Right. Apoc?! Lol seriously GW if this is some BS excuse to try and force me to use only +your+ movement trays at competitive events I'm done.
Glad I didn't stay up for this. It would have been a waste for me.
3/10. No real, dedicated 40k news.
The PG-13 models is probably for the best. Beside it won't take a much conversion to tart them up. Am I the only one getting a serious Bayonetta vibe from the endless spells? I just need a giant stiletto heel crashing down from the sky.
An Actual Englishman wrote: The new KOS looks great. Very PG13 though, which is a shame.
Which is pretty much my opinion on all of the new Slaanesh models apart from the camp daemonettes with pigtails.
No real 40k news apart from the Slaanesh crossover units though? More battlezones 'at some undefined time in the future'. Right. Apoc?! Lol seriously GW if this is some BS excuse to try and force me to use only +your+ movement trays at competitive events I'm done.
Glad I didn't stay up for this. It would have been a waste for me.
3/10. No real, dedicated 40k news.
The PG-13 models is probably for the best. Beside it won't take a much conversion to tart them up. Am I the only one getting a serious Bayonetta vibe from the endless spells? I just need a giant stiletto heel crashing down from the sky.
Cause, Slaneesh needs to be .ore than a dick joke.
I am soooo tired of seeing models with adult toys attached. If a see another "slaneesh soul grinder" with just a giant penis......
hotsauceman1 wrote: Cause, Slaneesh needs to be .ore than a dick joke.
I am soooo tired of seeing models with adult toys attached. If a see another "slaneesh soul grinder" with just a giant penis......
Never have encountered one on the web, I guess we have different search patterns Not being a dick joke and not being PG-13 are not mutually exclusive.
That's because so many people don't get Slaanesh, or they buy into the 1-dimensional 1d4chan-esque "Lol! God of Sex!" nonsense. Even had one idiot once tell me that Slaanesh was "obviously queer-coded", whatever the feth that's supposed to mean.
Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess. The reduce that to "Sex and drugs ROFL!" is just stupid. There's is so much more to it than that, and it's precisely why the new KoS is just sublime even if I may like the GUO and 'Thirster more.
SnotlingPimpWagon wrote: KoS and a new DP/Herald are stunning.
But man, does the whole range look sterile.... Appart from fiends.
That I feared.
God of pleasure, decadence, excess, lust, passion and perfection.
All I see is the last part being implemented into slick design, armor and robes. I guess whips are there for everything else?
I really had hoped that somehow the magic of Diazanettes will return.
Again, the 2 models mentioned above are amazing, it`s just not very Slaanesh... More Cirque du Soleil.
The legacy Warhammer Fantasy miniatures: Daemonettes, Seekers, and Chariots all suffer from having to form up in block units. Their stiff poses are at odds with the dynamically posed post-AOS models; like the Fiends, Masque, and the to Heralds with the mirror/portal thing. The new KOS and Daemon Prince aren't in fighting poses at all. They look like they'e walking down a fashion show runway. Decadence and perfection indeed.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That's because so many people don't get Slaanesh, or they buy into the 1-dimensional 1d4chan-esque "Lol! God of Sex!" nonsense. Even had one idiot once tell me that Slaanesh was "obviously queer-coded", whatever the feth that's supposed to mean.
Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess. The reduce that to "Sex and drugs ROFL!" is just stupid. There's is so much more to it than that, and it's precisely why the new KoS is just sublime even if I may like the GUO and 'Thirster more.
I think the most impressive thing about the new KOS is how much of the original KOS bovine aesthetics the managed to get into its head. Although I'm not as fond of the hoofs for the feet. That and the fact its not a just another model with its breasts hanging out. Unlike all the "not KOS" models that have come out from the like of creature caster, etc.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That's because so many people don't get Slaanesh, or they buy into the 1-dimensional 1d4chan-esque "Lol! God of Sex!" nonsense. Even had one idiot once tell me that Slaanesh was "obviously queer-coded", whatever the feth that's supposed to mean.
Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess. The reduce that to "Sex and drugs ROFL!" is just stupid. There's is so much more to it than that, and it's precisely why the new KoS is just sublime even if I may like the GUO and 'Thirster more.
Indeed, well put. Slaanesh was always about seeking to experience every facet in the fullest sense. Take something as innocuous as racing a car. For Slaanesh, you must win, you must loose, you must go fast, you must go slow and you must crash so that you experience every facet and revel in each emotion to the fullest and indulge in its exhilaration.
H.B.M.C. wrote: That's because so many people don't get Slaanesh, or they buy into the 1-dimensional 1d4chan-esque "Lol! God of Sex!" nonsense. Even had one idiot once tell me that Slaanesh was "obviously queer-coded", whatever the feth that's supposed to mean.
Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess. The reduce that to "Sex and drugs ROFL!" is just stupid. There's is so much more to it than that, and it's precisely why the new KoS is just sublime even if I may like the GUO and 'Thirster more.
Indeed, well put. Slaanesh was always about seeking to experience every facet in the fullest sense. Take something as innocuous as racing a car. For Slaanesh, you must win, you must loose, you must go fast, you must go slow and you must crash so that you experience every facet and revel in each emotion to the fullest and indulge in its exhilaration.
it can be as simple as just over eating, like a follower did in the book valkia the bloody
Sersi wrote: The legacy Warhammer Fantasy miniatures: Daemonettes, Seekers, and Chariots all suffer from having to form up in block units.
In the case of the Seekers I have to disagree. The Diaz Seekers looked like they were speeding forward, with the riders holding onto the Seekers as if they were racing forward. They ranked up fine!
The current Seekers are just kinda sitting there on their steeds, no momentum inherent in their posing at all. To be fair the Hellstriders are probably worse in this regard, but still, when things like the DEldar Jetbikes can have riders that show off their speed it's weird that the Seekers somehow don't.
As for the Chariot and regular Daemonettes, that's a matter of taste I suppose. I've never been much of a fan, but I have lots of Diaz Daemonettes so it never really bothered me much.
I love the new KoS model and will probably buy one, but the thing I am most excited about are the movement trays revealed in the Apocalypse video. God, I'll be buying so many of them...
Rear arms distinctly masculine, front arms distinctly feminine. Face is bit of both.
The pose is fantastic. Bravo GW, bravo.
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Fully agree with the KoS assessment. Beautiful model. I'm okay with 28mm Epic. 40k at big points is unwieldy. If GW 'borrow' Mantic's design for Kings of War you get unit profiles rather than individual models. You lose granularity but you gain tactical depth. As long as it's done properly. For example, if we now have movement trays we can bonuses to shooting units in their rear-facings etc etc.
Of course it will turn out to be 28mm Epic, and honestly that's hilarious. If GW follow their previous pattern where whatever version of Apocalypse comes with the existing edition becomes the template for the baseline army size of following editions, it won't be long before I get to say "told ya so" to a few folk I know who were utterly dismissive of the idea this would be the inevitable result of bringing flyers and Big Stuff into the base game's rules.
15mm or even 6mm would have been great for Apocalypse Games. 28mm just doesn`t fit on a 4x6 Table. You will need 6x8 minimum, better 6x12. This may fit in the average american garage/kitchen, but in europe it`s hard to find a place for tables like this.
I´m a real GW fanboy, but I will give this a pass (I need to save money for the SoB release)
Rear arms distinctly masculine, front arms distinctly feminine. Face is bit of both.
The pose is fantastic. Bravo GW, bravo.
I'd like to point out the obvious; the head also has masculine and femenine traits, alongside that bovine/caprine snout. I hope there is an actuall bullhead option.
Actually, I wonder if there will be a conehead option too. And if the named version of the kit will be a new character or a returning one.
is that Keeper of Secrets the best model GW has ever done? I... think it might be. I actually gasped audibly when I saw it. Especially the head, which is just... exquisite. And just after they released Abaddon, who is another candidate for that title. The KoS could easily be a very expensive boutique resin model from one of the best freelance sculptors in the world, it’s just that good. I wonder who did it?
H.B.M.C. wrote: That's because so many people don't get Slaanesh, or they buy into the 1-dimensional 1d4chan-esque "Lol! God of Sex!" nonsense. Even had one idiot once tell me that Slaanesh was "obviously queer-coded", whatever the feth that's supposed to mean.
Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess. The reduce that to "Sex and drugs ROFL!" is just stupid. There's is so much more to it than that, and it's precisely why the new KoS is just sublime even if I may like the GUO and 'Thirster more.
I remember that.
It was clearly because the noise marine had heels.
I'm going to say that the new thing coming to painting is GW doing its own airsprayer with compressor coupled to a bigger release of air-sprayer suitable paints coupled to Duncan doing tutorials with one.
GW has never pushed that line very strongly before and it is something that would make a lot of painting a lot faster for many. It also changes a lot of the things they can do with painting and painting tutorials, plus whilst its not easy its a lot easier than some brush techniques for blending colours to fade one into the other.
The librarian looks fantastic and the new Apoc rule set is just what one would expect for 40K.
The AoS stuff looks equally great! The new Warcry update sounsd like only chaos will get models but the other factions get to bring models in - they might even poach the Shadspire warbands to do that - a neat way to cross-sell the models (they'd then work in regular, shadspire and Warcry)
The new Keeper looks powerful and very Slaanesh! The only two things I'm curious about are how much variety comes with the kit since the other Greater Demons come with a fair bit of optional building, its also interesting that they've not mentioned a "named hero" version of it which the other gods have had at least one of in their kits.
The new Prince and Herald looks both very neat but also super fragile with the herald dancing around on top AND with a long three headed whip in plastic.
Also lets not forget GW was birthed in the old times - in the times of excess where it was Rock-n-Roll, sex and (recreational) drugs. The only thing we are missing is a proper rock band!
Love the new Kharadron war band, the Fryeslayer forge looks cool as a terrain piece too.
I missed that Warcry was going to have non chaos war bands from the start - that's great news! I have just read about how they were exploring various aspects of chaos and I just assumed it was all about chaos [which is fine but not my thing].
The KoS is amazing! I'm not a chaos fan at all but that is a fantastic model- it has that strange unsettling beauty and otherness .. outstanding I think. The Masque is a bit poor but the deamon Prince looks great as well - mortals units like that would be amazing.
Apoc- well I hope for some nice big centre piece models for some factions. The see through movement trays could be useful for tyranid horde armies and maybe AoS too.
A GW air brush is interesting too- their tools and paints, while not cheap have been pretty good quality.
I like the new Slaanesh models (especially the KoS), but I'm a little confused that here doesn't seem to be any new, well, units. Just a couple champions. Not sure what fills out the battletome.
Overall, bigger preview than I expected, even if war cry and Slaanesh were the only interesting bits. Epic 28mm just makes me tired.
I guess my brother needs to wait a bit more on Noise Marines. Not that surprising after the CSM release and Khorne getting demons but not World Eaters, either. I hope at least one of the Traitor Legions shows up this year, though. My Word Bearers won't say no if someone likes a specific god too much.
If they won't release Slaanesh marauders or Slaangors with Darkoath or EC or suitable minis for Warcry I'm going to punch a goat, though.
The new Keeper looks powerful and very Slaanesh! The only two things I'm curious about are how much variety comes with the kit since the other Greater Demons come with a fair bit of optional building, its also interesting that they've not mentioned a "named hero" version of it which the other gods have had at least one of in their kits.
The new Prince and Herald looks both very neat but also super fragile with the herald dancing around on top AND with a long three headed whip in plastic.
They Implied that there would be named hero version of KOS.
Overread wrote: they might even poach the Shadspire warbands to do that - a neat way to cross-sell the models (they'd then work in regular, shadspire and Warcry
Oh that's a great idea. I imagine the Warcry warbands would probably more variable in size than the very tightly controlled Shadespare warbands, but even so, that's a great starting point.
Mymearan wrote: is that Keeper of Secrets the best model GW has ever done? I... think it might be. I actually gasped audibly when I saw it. Especially the head, which is just... exquisite. And just after they released Abaddon, who is another candidate for that title. The KoS could easily be a very expensive boutique resin model from one of the best freelance sculptors in the world, it’s just that good. I wonder who did it?
Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess. The reduce that to "Sex and drugs ROFL!" is just stupid. There's is so much more to it than that,
Well, given that the last Slaanesh models before this were the Noise marine and the harpist, Slaanesh is clearly all about sex and drugs and rock & roll.
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Overread wrote: I'm going to say that the new thing coming to painting is GW doing its own airsprayer with compressor coupled to a bigger release of air-sprayer suitable paints coupled to Duncan doing tutorials with one.
IIRC Duncan doesn't use an airbrush - he'd be an odd choice for doing tutorials. Nickj Bayton has just become their third "demo" painter, so if he's an airbrush user it'd be possible. Or they'd get another person too.
It is my great hope for Apocalypse that it means over time GW can move 40k back to company level and focus on making it work great at that level, rather than a super flexible set of rules that can scale up or down. The idea is that we would now have separate systems to scale the game up or down (Apocalypse and Kill Team, respectively) so 40k doesn't have to try and shoehorn in superheavies or fliers or things like that which never really fit the company scale of the game.
Of course, the chances of this happening is close to zero as people would just cry about their hobby being limited.
Duncan can easily learn to use an airbrush I'm sure.
For basic methods it would easily cover things like quick camo painting and the like. Plus I'm sure GW has airbrush users within its ranks somewhere to pass the knowledge on.
Overread wrote: Duncan can easily learn to use an airbrush I'm sure.
For basic methods it would easily cover things like quick camo painting and the like. Plus I'm sure GW has airbrush users within its ranks somewhere to pass the knowledge on.
If they have have him/her do the video Not like Duncan is only one appearing on tutorial videos
dan2026 wrote: Daemons have to have one of the most up to date ranges in the game now.
What's left to update?
Epidemius, The Blue Scribes.
I guess the generic Daemon Prince could do with an update.
Is that it?
Khorne herald on jugger
Arguably Bel'akor (but the current model is very good and I'm not sure if any army list can actually take him)
There may be one or two others. I'm not really sure that any of these new things are a generic Slaanesh Herald, for example.
Furies are coming with warcry. So....
Yeah. Updated DP with god specific bits and some new stuff that fleshes out tactical options for each god. This is especially needed since AoS is monogod and the detachment system pushes it in 40k.
Overread wrote: Duncan can easily learn to use an airbrush I'm sure.
For basic methods it would easily cover things like quick camo painting and the like. Plus I'm sure GW has airbrush users within its ranks somewhere to pass the knowledge on.
New video tutorial series: "Duncan learns Airbrushing" where he also learns it from someone else.
If they really do go with squad-level profiles and movement trays for Apoc3.0, it might actually end up being essentially a new edition of Epic anyway. Hell it would probably play much better with teeny-weeny models.
You know that Slaaneshi Daemon Prince is starting to grow on me. But one has to wonder how is he going to be effective without wings? I guess maybe he'll just have high movement and hide behind screens of Daemonettes. Hopefully, this means the other gods will get their own Daemon Princes as well.
But enough about Slaanesh for the moment. Talking about the stunties. I'm loving the Kharadron Overlord 's unit. The Arkanaut reloading the Aethermatic Volleygun is amazing, as is the Skywarden perched on the ship's anchor. The alternate Aetherkhemist model is especially appreciated since you always want more than one of those. The other Arkanaut and Grundstok Thunderer are both new to, rather that re-poses. But did anyone see the mining terrain piece in the background of the video? There's a multi-eyed squid beastie! Definitely, buying those minis; I just hope their new battle tome finally does them some justice.
I've always liked the Fyreslayers, but now I need some. That terrain piece and endless spells are just awesome looking.
Zero interest in the new Keeper personally. Very nice mini that fits the current and expanding Slaanesh range well, and I really appreciate that the line is finally getting a direction of its own that isn't just a subdued version of Diaz's work or corrupted versions of existing models. Getting a vibe ala the Persians in 300, definitely enhanced by the columns in that video, and that's a legit path to tread for these decadent baddies. Unfortunately apart from that 300 angle, these Slaanesh daemons just don't really speak to me. Which is fine, there are so many kinky / nekkid Slaanesh alternatives on the market now that I have plenty of choices, all of which cost about the same or less than the official stuff, thanks to boutique pricing on all sides.
Honestly the most enticing part of the reveal was the Dwarf magma monster (I'm a sucker for fire elementals) and the sub-cults of Chaos they'll be exploring in War Cry. And that GW is responding to the various aftermarket 40k movement trays and STL files with their own official ones
Overread wrote: Duncan can easily learn to use an airbrush I'm sure.
For basic methods it would easily cover things like quick camo painting and the like. Plus I'm sure GW has airbrush users within its ranks somewhere to pass the knowledge on.
New video tutorial series: "Duncan learns Airbrushing" where he also learns it from someone else.
Pretty sure Duncan knows how to use an airbrush already
Sersi wrote: You know that Slaaneshi Daemon Prince is starting to grow on me. But one has to wonder how is he going to be effective without wings? I guess maybe he'll just have high movement and hide behind screens of Daemonettes. Hopefully, this means the other gods will get their own Daemon Princes as well.
But enough about Slaanesh for the moment. Talking about the stunties. I'm loving the Kharadron Overlord 's unit. The Arkanaut reloading the Aethermatic Volleygun is amazing, as is the Skywarden perched on the ship's anchor. The alternate Aetherkhemist model is especially appreciated since you always want more than one of those. The other Arkanaut and Grundstok Thunderer are both new to, rather that re-poses. But did anyone see the mining terrain piece in the background of the video? There's a multi-eyed squid beastie! Definitely, buying those minis; I just hope their new battle tome finally does them some justice.
I've always liked the Fyreslayers, but now I need some. That terrain piece and endless spells are just awesome looking.
Sorry to bring up more Slaanesh stuff... but as a Slaanesh player I am obsessed! (How meta of me, right? ....is that the right word? lol). The Nurgle model doesn't have any wings and GW states there's lore reasons for models being able to fly without them. I expect he will just be really quick. The KOS right now moves as fast as a DP with wings without wings or fly.
The Daemon Prince guy has definitely grown on me as well. His conversion potential.... wow. Take the lady off and he could be a normal DP, just give him some nice Fiend claws for DP talons?
dan2026 wrote: Daemons have to have one of the most up to date ranges in the game now.
What's left to update?
Epidemius, The Blue Scribes.
I guess the generic Daemon Prince could do with an update.
Is that it?
Khorne herald on jugger
Arguably Bel'akor (but the current model is very good and I'm not sure if any army list can actually take him)
There may be one or two others. I'm not really sure that any of these new things are a generic Slaanesh Herald, for example.
Furies are coming with warcry. So....
Yeah. Updated DP with god specific bits and some new stuff that fleshes out tactical options for each god. This is especially needed since AoS is monogod and the detachment system pushes it in 40k.
At a guess, I'd bet each god will get their own theme specific Daemon Price now that Slaanesh has one.
Khorne: Herald on a Juggernaut, I suppose they'll also gain the Raptoryxes giving them a flyer as well.
Slaanesh: Still needs a Herald on a Steed and a Herald on a Chariot unless they just re-instate the old models rules.
Nurgle: Epididomus, and endless spells.
Tzeentch: The Blue Scribes, a terrain piece, and endless spells.
While very cool (bar the weirdly posed daemonettes on his ''wings'') the DP look more like an unit champion for mortal followers of Slaanesh than a DP.
I really hope there will be some regular mortal unit, cause if that's not the case, Slaanesh really got the short end of the stick compared to the other gods.
I wonder if it's possible to pose differently the claw arms on the KOS, cause right now, it look a bit stiff (i doubt it is though). I feel like this mini is so so close to being perfect, but a few things about it are bugging me
We need a proper Be’Lakor (although I’m sticking w/my conversion), a Slaanesh Herald on Steed (put one extra steed spruce into the SC box, and boom; instant herald on steed available), Epidemius, Blue Scribes, Khorne Herald on Juggy...and that’s it. Although I have no idea how we don’t have a Nuffle Herald on Plague drone. That baffles me. They should release one.
And I’m sure we’ll see mortal Slaanesh followers. The Hellstriders will have friends.
streetsamurai wrote: While very cool (bar the weirdly posed daemonettes on his ''wings'') the DP look more like an unit champion for mortal followers of Slaanesh than a DP.
I really hope there will be some regular mortal unit, cause if that's not the case, Slaanesh really got the short end of the stick compared to the other gods.
I guess it will depend on how large he is. If he is on a 32mm base then he definitely will align more with what you're saying. I am hoping he's on a larger base (hard to tell in the pics) and is just a more lithe/vanity based version of a DP. They specifically reference him as a DP.
Overread wrote: Duncan can easily learn to use an airbrush I'm sure.
For basic methods it would easily cover things like quick camo painting and the like. Plus I'm sure GW has airbrush users within its ranks somewhere to pass the knowledge on.
New video tutorial series: "Duncan learns Airbrushing" where he also learns it from someone else.
Not sure if you are kidding or not, but as someone who has never used an airbrush this would be a perfect start.
I guess it will depend on how large he is. If he is on a 32mm base then he definitely will align more with what you're saying. I am hoping he's on a larger base (hard to tell in the pics) and is just a more lithe/vanity based version of a DP. They specifically reference him as a DP.
The Prince is on a 50 or 60mm base. Looks like a 60 to me.
Overread wrote: Duncan can easily learn to use an airbrush I'm sure.
For basic methods it would easily cover things like quick camo painting and the like. Plus I'm sure GW has airbrush users within its ranks somewhere to pass the knowledge on.
New video tutorial series: "Duncan learns Airbrushing" where he also learns it from someone else.
Pretty sure Duncan knows how to use an airbrush already
Pretty sure the reason is because GW doesn't sell an airbrush just yet, so they'd have to use a non-GW airbrush in their videos, which is a big no-no.
Although, the "Fifty Shelves of Grey" teaser is probably leading up to them announcing a GW air-brush
Sersi wrote: You know that Slaaneshi Daemon Prince is starting to grow on me. But one has to wonder how is he going to be effective without wings? I guess maybe he'll just have high movement and hide behind screens of Daemonettes. Hopefully, this means the other gods will get their own Daemon Princes as well.
But enough about Slaanesh for the moment. Talking about the stunties. I'm loving the Kharadron Overlord 's unit. The Arkanaut reloading the Aethermatic Volleygun is amazing, as is the Skywarden perched on the ship's anchor. The alternate Aetherkhemist model is especially appreciated since you always want more than one of those. The other Arkanaut and Grundstok Thunderer are both new to, rather that re-poses. But did anyone see the mining terrain piece in the background of the video? There's a multi-eyed squid beastie! Definitely, buying those minis; I just hope their new battle tome finally does them some justice.
I've always liked the Fyreslayers, but now I need some. That terrain piece and endless spells are just awesome looking.
Sorry to bring up more Slaanesh stuff... but as a Slaanesh player I am obsessed! (How meta of me, right? ....is that the right word? lol). The Nurgle model doesn't have any wings and GW states there's lore reasons for models being able to fly without them. I expect he will just be really quick. The KOS right now moves as fast as a DP with wings without wings or fly.
The Daemon Prince guy has definitely grown on me as well. His conversion potential.... wow. Take the lady off and he could be a normal DP, just give him some nice Fiend claws for DP talons?
Your probably, right about him running fast, lets just hope he has less than 10 wounds. I really like the model if I get more than one I'll mod him up as well. I might sculpt him some Daemonette style reverse legs. I'm definitely replacing the KOS's hooves to make it more inline with the other daemons. I'm also pretty excited about the whole Circus de Freak look to them. Now , I just need a Ringmaster mini for the Great show in the Realms. Also I can finally use my sword swallower since it now fits the theme.
Overread wrote: Duncan can easily learn to use an airbrush I'm sure.
For basic methods it would easily cover things like quick camo painting and the like. Plus I'm sure GW has airbrush users within its ranks somewhere to pass the knowledge on.
New video tutorial series: "Duncan learns Airbrushing" where he also learns it from someone else.
Pretty sure Duncan knows how to use an airbrush already
I'm pretty sure he's said (more than once) on Hang Out And Paint that he doesn't use one and doesn't have any real experience of them.
timetowaste85 wrote: We need a proper Be’Lakor (although I’m sticking w/my conversion), a Slaanesh Herald on Steed (put one extra steed spruce into the SC box, and boom; instant herald on steed available), Epidemius, Blue Scribes, Khorne Herald on Juggy...and that’s it. Although I have no idea how we don’t have a Nuffle Herald on Plague drone. That baffles me. They should release one.
And I’m sure we’ll see mortal Slaanesh followers. The Hellstriders will have friends.
Be’Lakor is one of the best wargaming Miniatures ever created.. and not just from GW. A true classic, that managed not to age a bit. The only other models, that come to mind straight away with those qualities are the Green Knight and Brian Nelson’s Orc Shaman..
streetsamurai wrote: While very cool (bar the weirdly posed daemonettes on his ''wings'') the DP look more like an unit champion for mortal followers of Slaanesh than a DP.
I really hope there will be some regular mortal unit, cause if that's not the case, Slaanesh really got the short end of the stick compared to the other gods.
I wonder if it's possible to pose differently the claw arms on the KOS, cause right now, it look a bit stiff (i doubt it is though). I feel like this mini is so so close to being perfect, but a few things about it are bugging me
I doubt there are additional claw arms, or even humanoid arms in the kit. The front arms are attached to the cape so those have to remain static, other than attaching that shield. While the back arms have that complicate double shoulder arrangement. That will take some serious re-sculpting to modify give the amount of detail and muscle tension. I just hope that its not in as many pieces as the fiends were... Assembling 12 of those was no easy feat.
The green Knight is, IMO, a really nice miniature (what's the story behind it?) but a lot of the detail is painted, I think - all the swirls on the caparison.
Be'Lakor, on the other hand? Well, he's ... OK, I suppose. Nothing special, though. There's a few miniatures I've bought over the years that have nothing to do with any armies I collect, just because I want to paint them. Be'Lakor ain't one of them.
Sersi wrote: You know that Slaaneshi Daemon Prince is starting to grow on me. But one has to wonder how is he going to be effective without wings? I guess maybe he'll just have high movement and hide behind screens of Daemonettes. Hopefully, this means the other gods will get their own Daemon Princes as well.
But enough about Slaanesh for the moment. Talking about the stunties. I'm loving the Kharadron Overlord 's unit. The Arkanaut reloading the Aethermatic Volleygun is amazing, as is the Skywarden perched on the ship's anchor. The alternate Aetherkhemist model is especially appreciated since you always want more than one of those. The other Arkanaut and Grundstok Thunderer are both new to, rather that re-poses. But did anyone see the mining terrain piece in the background of the video? There's a multi-eyed squid beastie! Definitely, buying those minis; I just hope their new battle tome finally does them some justice.
I've always liked the Fyreslayers, but now I need some. That terrain piece and endless spells are just awesome looking.
Sorry to bring up more Slaanesh stuff... but as a Slaanesh player I am obsessed! (How meta of me, right? ....is that the right word? lol). The Nurgle model doesn't have any wings and GW states there's lore reasons for models being able to fly without them. I expect he will just be really quick. The KOS right now moves as fast as a DP with wings without wings or fly.
The Daemon Prince guy has definitely grown on me as well. His conversion potential.... wow. Take the lady off and he could be a normal DP, just give him some nice Fiend claws for DP talons?
Your probably, right about him running fast, lets just hope he has less than 10 wounds. I really like the model if I get more than one I'll mod him up as well. I might sculpt him some Daemonette style reverse legs. I'm definitely replacing the KOS's hooves to make it more inline with the other daemons. I'm also pretty excited about the whole Circus de Freak look to them. Now , I just need a Ringmaster mini for the Great show in the Realms. Also I can finally use my sword swallower since it now fits the theme.
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Dude that is awesome! That definitely fits with the theme
One of the Perry twins lost his sculpting hand in an accident and the green knight was the first mini he sculpted after learning how to sculpt with his other hand
streetsamurai wrote: never undestood the love for the green knight. I think people overate it cause of the sculpting story behind it.
Agreed that Belkor is a true classic
Never heard the story behind it, although now I’m interested, probably going to google it The Green Knight was the first mini I ever wanted from the warhammer range. Like an idiot I postponed it’s purchase until it was too
Late. I got my BeLakor and Shaman though and the mounted nurgle lord.. but I digress.
Do we know, if there will be more reveals this AdeptiCon?
Slaanesh! 
I got my BeLakor and Shaman though