Interceptor City (working title of the Double Eagle sequel) is a novel he has mentioned really wanting to do, but first.. he needs to wrap up the Bequin trilogy.
Sgt. Cortez wrote: If the CSM Start Collecting Box is the same price as the others but filled with the easy to build models it'll feel a little... underwhelming.
Why?
Besides, its clearly the Shadowspear stuff, exactly as is.
Sgt. Cortez wrote: If the CSM Start Collecting Box is the same price as the others but filled with the easy to build models it'll feel a little... underwhelming.
It's no different than the Vanguard Space Marines one shown next to it(which I might add: doesn't actually have either of the two separate sprue models, the Captain and Librarian in Phobos Armor), or the Blades of Khorne and Stormcast Eternals ones for AoS.
Some of the 40K ones look a bit plain, however at the same time when you look at the content whilst its not as "exciting" it is actually quite practical for the army. Both for expansion and for building a new army.
The Chaos one is a nice example. The Start Collecting set is far more "exciting" however the christmas box gives you terminators, havoks, marines, lord and a rhino. That's a nice bunch of start to kick off a brand new Chaos army with. Add that to the start collecting set and you've got a solid backbone of an army done and dusted with some nice discounts.
That said I do think the Tyranid box steals it as a very interesting box. A nice mix of monsters and swarm units that makes it ideal as a starting or expansion point. Shame they haven't put any of the middle-class models in (guard, thropes etc...) but otherwise a very nice solid set (and honestly one we've seen before in different forms from the tyranids)
Skaven box is neat and nice that they got a Verminlord in there. Though after Carrion Empire I was thinking a lord would have to appear as GW is ilkely running out of decent Skaven sculpts in plastic to put into discount boxes.
I was expecting a Primaris box like the two different ones the last year for my DA... and the two marines boxes are chapter specific... well. Thats money that I won't spend... (Because I have already spent it in FW custodes units ...)
Overread wrote: Some of the 40K ones look a bit plain, however at the same time when you look at the content whilst its not as "exciting" it is actually quite practical for the army. Both for expansion and for building a new army.
They're mostly good for new armies, I'd agree (except the marine ones). For expansion..eh?
The marines are highly specialized special snowflake junk plus random Primaris squad. The chaos marine box is just the basics, Dark eldar is half the start collecting box, plus some completely random stuff and 20 warriors, nids are exclusively baby's first Nid army (a good start though), and the Tau box is barely different from the Apocalypse box or any other random box of Tau you'd care to pick up.
I was expecting to be picking up two or three of the battleforce boxes but the Blood Angels and Space Wolves boxes are a let down. The Chaos Space Marines one is nice and I expect I'll pick that up combined with the CSM start collecting.
On the plus side, I don't see any that really grab me as being super-useful to bulk out any collections like last year with the AdMech and CWE. The Tyranid one will end up on the "maybe" pile, but only if somehow I figure out how I want to paint any of that army (which has not happened since the original plastic release so I wouldn't expect that to occur suddenly in two months). I'd use all the stuff in the Chaos one, but with nearly 70 of the new-style basic marines (plus the horde of old 3rd ed plastics) that feels like just "Stuff for the Stuff God" at that point even if the Terminators and Havocs would be nice. Assuming I finish the ones I have, I'll just pick up more of those specific ones later. Still a decent starting point for someone new though.
On the minus side, there's still the SoB box and Necromunda coming so that's likely a pummeling for the wallet by the end of the year.
Wow the drukhari one sucks, why put a talos as the only coven unit? you can't even play it with any obsession since the only way to add it to the rest is by an auxiliary support detachment for 1 CP.
Darn I was expecting to want the Chaos battleforce, but now I'm also really tempted by the Space Wolves. It's damn near perfect for me...I need one more flyer, those wulfen and the intercessors are useful for other armies.
Now I've got some decisions to make...
EDIT:
Contents of the Chaos battleforce total $260 CAD Contents of Space Wolves battleforce total $275 CAD
Sgt. Cortez wrote: If the CSM Start Collecting Box is the same price as the others but filled with the easy to build models it'll feel a little... underwhelming.
It's no different than the Vanguard Space Marines one shown next to it(which I might add: doesn't actually have either of the two separate sprue models, the Captain and Librarian in Phobos Armor), or the Blades of Khorne and Stormcast Eternals ones for AoS.
From a "Start Collecting" perspective, I think this was absolutely the right move. If you were just looking for a "buy this to get a discount", I think you missed the point.
Being comprised of easy-build stuff is a really good way to encourage new players
I'll probably be getting the Tau box, looks a good way to expand my currently small force. The Drukhari box is also pretty decent, it's a shame they keep dumping Reavers into everything and whilst you can't use the Talos straight off unless you're completely against using Coven units you'll end up wanting them, so a chance to get one at a discount is good.
Imateria wrote: I'll probably be getting the Tau box, looks a good way to expand my currently small force. The Drukhari box is also pretty decent, it's a shame they keep dumping Reavers into everything and whilst you can't use the Talos straight off unless you're completely against using Coven units you'll end up wanting them, so a chance to get one at a discount is good.
The problem is that these are supposed to be Entry-level boxsets to kickstart an army, you cant play 200pts in the box without losing obsessions or CPs. its idiotic. GW shouldve focused on one subfaction (preferably coven since its the one that never got a boxset). At least the bikes can be run with the rest if youre running an Ynnari detachment, the talos just feths it up.
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
Imateria wrote: I'll probably be getting the Tau box, looks a good way to expand my currently small force. The Drukhari box is also pretty decent, it's a shame they keep dumping Reavers into everything and whilst you can't use the Talos straight off unless you're completely against using Coven units you'll end up wanting them, so a chance to get one at a discount is good.
The problem is that these are supposed to be Entry-level boxsets to kickstart an army, you cant play 200pts in the box without losing obsessions or CPs. its idiotic. GW shouldve focused on one subfaction (preferably coven since its the one that never got a boxset). At least the bikes can be run with the rest if youre running an Ynnari detachment, the talos just feths it up.
Coven is probably NOT a good idea for the single faction in the box, but I agree a single offshoot coven unit is a flawed design.
Drukari are an issue though, because the three mini-faction split makes it VERY hard to give them a varied and intresting boxset.
Imateria wrote: I'll probably be getting the Tau box, looks a good way to expand my currently small force. The Drukhari box is also pretty decent, it's a shame they keep dumping Reavers into everything and whilst you can't use the Talos straight off unless you're completely against using Coven units you'll end up wanting them, so a chance to get one at a discount is good.
The problem is that these are supposed to be Entry-level boxsets to kickstart an army, you cant play 200pts in the box without losing obsessions or CPs. its idiotic. GW shouldve focused on one subfaction (preferably coven since its the one that never got a boxset). At least the bikes can be run with the rest if youre running an Ynnari detachment, the talos just feths it up.
Coven is probably NOT a good idea for the single faction in the box, but I agree a single offshoot coven unit is a flawed design.
Drukari are an issue though, because the three mini-faction split makes it VERY hard to give them a varied and intresting boxset.
I'm curious as to why you feel it's not a good idea? its the only subfaction that never got a box. Honestly the content isn't bad, its just asd that these boxes are probably going to be the entry point into drukhari for many people and they can't even field all the units in it.
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
TBH this box will be more expensive and you are basically trading 20 blood claws/Grey hunters for 10 intercessors (Ok I could accept that) but then in comparison you lose Bjorn Fellhanded (The dreadnought), 5 terminators and 5 fenris wolves for 5 Wulfen.
Hmmm. Oh well. I was interested to see what the SC: Primaris would be, but I only really want the autocannon jumping guys, and I don't even really want them that much, but to get them I have to buy another 20 skinny-leg Primaris guys that I definitely don't want. Saved me some money then
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
Did he mention quality anywhere in his post? I read it twice but I still don't see it dotdotdot
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
Did he mention quality anywhere in his post? I read it twice but I still don't see it dotdotdot
So if number, quality of miniatures, savings and price (The old box had more money inside and was cheaper) isn't the metric to judge the quality of this DISCOUNT box... what should we use?
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: As someone that wants to get Dark Eldar, I would consider buying that box. Its not likely, but Id consider it.
You can't field 2 units in the box unless you lose your chapter tactics....
Then I pick up the Wych Getting Started to fix the Wych unit problem, and side line the Covens Unit until I gather enough Covens.
Sure, but in my opinion, a boxed set should be playable as-is since its usually the best thing to recommend for players that are new to the hobby.
The models are all good (the bikes less so), im only complaining about the inability to field it out of the box
By that metric, all of the boxes are bad, because you cant field effective armies out of any of them. Also, I'd say BF boxes are for expanding an already started Army.
For someone with the Wyches, getting this gives them an Additional Unit, AND a Kabal Patrol.
Christmas battle forces used to be something I actually praised GW for. Previously they were a reasonable deal, and "most" of them were set-up to complement the Start Collecting box. The new T'au one is absolute gak compared to the last one, in my opinion...and same goes for the Space Wolves.
This old T'au Force is far better than the new one - and doesn't duplicate your Start Collecting box:
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
Did he mention quality anywhere in his post? I read it twice but I still don't see it dotdotdot
So if number, quality of miniatures, savings and price (The old box had more money inside and was cheaper) isn't the metric to judge the quality of this DISCOUNT box... what should we use?
I dunno. It seemed to me that the first guy was commenting on value, then the second guy told him what metric he shouldn't be using to judge quality. A bit of a non-sequitur imo, but anyway.
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
Did he mention quality anywhere in his post? I read it twice but I still don't see it dotdotdot
So if number, quality of miniatures, savings and price (The old box had more money inside and was cheaper) isn't the metric to judge the quality of this DISCOUNT box... what should we use?
I dunno. It seemed to me that the first guy was commenting on value, then the second guy told him what metric he shouldn't be using to judge quality. A bit of a non-sequitur imo, but anyway.
Yeah, sorry, now I realize that you were disagreeing with Sentineil. Non native speaker error by my part! Mistakes were made.
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
Did he mention quality anywhere in his post? I read it twice but I still don't see it dotdotdot
I equated value to quality, because I'm certain in this context they're the same thing. He managed to understand anyway, and the old box does look better now that he's shown it. I was just questioning the model count as a metric which didn't make any sense to me.
Sqorgar wrote: Space Wolves went down from 28 miniatures in the previous Battleforce (two years ago?) to 17 this time. Yay for paying more and getting less!
Because pure model count is the metric we use for judging quality....
Did he mention quality anywhere in his post? I read it twice but I still don't see it dotdotdot
I equated value to quality, because I'm certain in this context they're the same thing. He managed to understand anyway, and the old box does look better now that he's shown it. I was just questioning the model count as a metric which didn't make any sense to me.
Well, I think we can mostly agree that most of these boxes are quite undesirable, judging by most of the comments. I'm not even remotely tempted, and I'd already started putting funds aside. Seems that someone at GW has messed up here.
/edit - I seriously overused the word "most" in this comment :s
Sgt. Cortez wrote: If the CSM Start Collecting Box is the same price as the others but filled with the easy to build models it'll feel a little... underwhelming.
Why?
Besides, its clearly the Shadowspear stuff, exactly as is.
Not really, it's Shadowspear for CSM. SM side is lacking 2/3 of their HQs for some reason, even though GW included standalone CSM character. Walker alone made CSM side better proposition, add Skeletor for free and Vanguard look like garbage next to it...
The 40K sets are very underwhelming for me with the possible exception of the Tyranid one ($255 USD RRP). Someone else can do a breakdown of the remaining 40K sets.
The AoS ones on the other hand are very tempting. Quick check seems to indicate that they offer a 20-28% discount off of regular retail price (RRP) assuming they are priced at $200 USD each.
Stormcast Eternals – Exorcism Soutlstrike: $275 USD RRP
Nighthaunt – Court of the Craven King: $255 USD RRP
Skaven – Corrupting War-Swarm: $250 USD RRP (Note price includes Clan Pestilens Army box which itself is combination of Start collecting! Skaven Pestilens and Vermin Lord)
Gloomspite Gitz – Caveshroom Loonz: $260 USD RRP
The Stormcast box looks... ok? If I wanted to actually finish my Sacrosanct stuff I'd be tempted to buy it.
The Drukhari box is really disappointing, I had a vague hope they might include the plastic incubi which even in a scattershot box like that would buoy interest. It's not like I can't find cheap Venoms and Reavers elsewhere.
What’s the savings on the Wolves box? It doesn’t look like much. I’ll be skipping it because I already have 10 wulfen and more intercessors than I can use, but I’m looking forward to buying the flyer and iron priest for cheaper on Ebay.
The Drukhari box looks like a solid deal, but the Razorwing and the Talos are the only things I want from it, so again it’s to Ebay I’ll go.
Well, I think we can mostly agree that most of these boxes are quite undesirable, judging by most of the comments. I'm not even remotely tempted, and I'd already started putting funds aside. Seems that someone at GW has messed up here.
/edit - I seriously overused the word "most" in this comment :s
Eh it really depends though. Also don't forget more experienced gamers tend to be much MUCH more picky with what they want in a discount bundle deal. Because they aren't just buying an army or models they are often buying to a specific shopping list that they've already put together. I think many people who are just open to starting an army without any pre-constructed list they are working toward and those newer to the game out to get started will find them great deals. Plus those who build larger/generic/unfocused armies/collections will likely like them as well.
I don't think GW "messed up" they are just not as interesting to some of us. Plus don't forget a good few (myself included) are not "interested" because the sets don't press the right buttons to overwhelm our current collecting focus in the hobby.
Plus lets not forget there's still 2 months till Christmas - a fair bit can change in that time. Perhaps finishing a project; getting extra money for Christmas etc... all positive things that could leave someone suddenly with money and time
Christmas battle forces used to be something I actually praised GW for. Previously they were a reasonable deal, and "most" of them were set-up to complement the Start Collecting box. The new T'au one is absolute gak compared to the last one, in my opinion...and same goes for the Space Wolves.
This old T'au Force is far better than the new one - and doesn't duplicate your Start Collecting box:
Spoiler:
People complained that these Battleforces weren't valid armies last year...so yeah. Tough. This year, 40k got a Patrol in a box for each set.
And frankly? The Tau Battleforce this year is full of more things that people are likely to use. Last year, we had people whining about the Broadside and the Pathfinders.
Overread wrote: Also don't forget more experienced gamers tend to be much MUCH more picky with what they want in a discount bundle deal.
Experienced gamers are the ones who will buy a box of 17 miniatures for $170-$200. I can't imagine these boxes hold much, or any, value for the casual player.
You know what does hold value for the casual player in this way? Those two army boxes that either sell out in 5 minutes or cost $230 to buy. Or the starter boxes that disappear after a month or cost $290 to buy. You know those casual players - always staying up late to order things before the preorder runs out and shelling out $200+ for things...
I don't think GW "messed up" they are just not as interesting to some of us.
They've been messing up for a while. The question isn't whether these boxes were any good, but why, after the past few months, we thought they could've been...
Seeing a bit of this, "the old box was better!" "You get a bunch of duplicates if you got the old box!"
These box sets aren't for veteran players. They're for newer-ish players that want to start a big collection or grow an existing one that maybe hasn't gotten up to 2000+ points yet.
GW doesn't market to the veteran that has everything. They market to the newer players that, to them, all of this is new content.
I'm not an expert at what's viable in 40k by any means, but if I was looking at getting into the the game that CSM box would be tempting at 170. You a decent core to an army with a ton of new sculpt minis. I believe the retail on everything in the box is 245 (thought the old terminator lord should basically be free, not 30 bucks), so it's a pretty good deal, especially if your store offers a discount over 100 USD or something like that.
Again, I don't play 40k anymore, but it seems to me a CSM box + the new start collecting (or Shadowspear box half) would you give you a decent assortment of models to put together a solid starter army for a pretty reasonable price.
Christmas battle forces used to be something I actually praised GW for. Previously they were a reasonable deal, and "most" of them were set-up to complement the Start Collecting box. The new T'au one is absolute gak compared to the last one, in my opinion...and same goes for the Space Wolves.
This old T'au Force is far better than the new one - and doesn't duplicate your Start Collecting box:
Spoiler:
People complained that these Battleforces weren't valid armies last year...so yeah. Tough. This year, 40k got a Patrol in a box for each set.
And frankly? The Tau Battleforce this year is full of more things that people are likely to use. Last year, we had people whining about the Broadside and the Pathfinders.
I know if I was starting Tau it would be a more useful box for me. Combined with the SC box its 2 Troops, 3 Elites, 2 HQ and a DT. Another box of Firewarriors and maybe 2 more Devilfish and boom, army. I like Crisis Suits and Firewarriors more than Pathfinders and Broadsides. And I could always add the Ghostkeel on later.
drbored wrote: Seeing a bit of this, "the old box was better!" "You get a bunch of duplicates if you got the old box!"
These box sets aren't for veteran players. They're for newer-ish players that want to start a big collection or grow an existing one that maybe hasn't gotten up to 2000+ points yet.
GW doesn't market to the veteran that has everything. They market to the newer players that, to them, all of this is new content.
Yeah, no. That argument doesn't fly even with 'start collecting' boxes.
They're for anyone that wants them. They're marketed as limited Christmas boxes and that's it. There is no 'intended audience' indicated, beyond anyone who wants at least some of the stuff inside and thinks they're getting a deal.
Which is why people discuss if and in what way they can be useful.
That there is a distinct drop in value and usability compared to the old boxes is very relevant.
Tempted by the Gloomspite one. I’ve liked them since they came out, and I like all the models in it. If the Necromunda box is as expensive as rumoured I might swap it on my Xmas list for this.
Well I won’t be getting as many battleforce boxes as last year. Perhaps I’ll get a couple of the Necromunda starters assuming that pricing that is rumoured is wrong.
I've been putting off getting the Stormcast on cats, so I may get one of these to fill that void in my horde. I really like the assortment of the Skaven box, but I already have plenty of rats.
drbored wrote: Seeing a bit of this, "the old box was better!" "You get a bunch of duplicates if you got the old box!"
These box sets aren't for veteran players. They're for newer-ish players that want to start a big collection or grow an existing one that maybe hasn't gotten up to 2000+ points yet.
GW doesn't market to the veteran that has everything. They market to the newer players that, to them, all of this is new content.
Yeah, no. That argument doesn't fly even with 'start collecting' boxes.
They're for anyone that wants them. They're marketed as limited Christmas boxes and that's it. There is no 'intended audience' indicated, beyond anyone who wants at least some of the stuff inside and thinks they're getting a deal.
Which is why people discuss if and in what way they can be useful.
That there is a distinct drop in value and usability compared to the old boxes is very relevant.
For contrast, the AoS boxes are equal to or better than what they've been (the stormcast box in particular is vastly superior to last years vanguard box) at the cost of being a bit pricey-er
JSG wrote: Manlets in both battleforces? That's a hard pass from me.
I feel you, solely for the fact that I'm struggling to put the old Marines in a list. There is just a creeping dread that they'll be shuffled into Legends in the near future and that just bugs me.
GoatboyBeta wrote: Nice to see the Shadowspear exclusives getting a wider release. But I'm not going to hold my breath for stand alone kits now they are in SC sets.
They did this with Artemis as well now that I think about it.
Not Online!!! wrote: The Sc box for csm is just, eugh, why the monopose shadow spear CSM squad.
Basically it keeps the miniatures in print? Extends the return on investment of the molds, allows players who missed Shadowspear to get the miniatures, and get only the half they might want.
There's really no downside. You can even use the ETB CSM as a basis for conversions with regular CSM weapons to keep things fresh.
Edit: They're also on the same sprues as the other contents of the box.
The tyranid one would be tempting. Only issue being do I want to start yet another army when there's still plenty of units I could add to my necrons...
Ugh ugh. Decisions decisions. Not much tyranids locally though so that would be different.
Not Online!!! wrote: The Sc box for csm is just, eugh, why the monopose shadow spear CSM squad.
Spoiler:
That's why. Because they share the sprue with the Greater Possessed.
You've been grousing all day over these guys, did you ever stop to think that the reasoning behind the Shadowspear set's loadout is that it was intended to be compatible with the full kit once it got released?
Because that's the intention, seemingly, with the Infiltrators. Hell--there's no Helix Adept parts on their sprues. At all.
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LunarSol wrote: I suspect we will see more of this going forward honestly.
With the Sisters of Battle coming out in their Army Pack this way? I'd think you're right.
The intention going forward might be to set up "Start Collecting" sets to have these kinds of sprues, while still offering full kits as well.
Yup, as I’ve been saying for a while, I think they’re going to start making monopose SC boxes out of boxed sets. Shadowspear made it pretty obvious that it was going to be that, and with the SoB coming, it points to a new trend.
phillv85 wrote: Yup, as I’ve been saying for a while, I think they’re going to start making monopose SC boxes out of boxed sets. Shadowspear made it pretty obvious that it was going to be that, and with the SoB coming, it points to a new trend.
Which is immediately discredited as a concept by the existence of Blood of the Phoenix and Feast of Bones--neither of which took after Shadowspear...
I'm torn on the gloomspite one. It's got enough stuff I like and that I'd have to get separately to get near the retail price for the box but I don't know if I'd ever troll it up or use the foot loonboss. But this combined with 2 halves of looncurse is a pretty solid army that only needs some spitters to finish up.
Another echoing of the sentiment that these festive collections strike me as particularly underwhelming. (I had high hopes for the Dark Eldar box dammit!)
That said, the Goblin and Stormcast sets look quite enticing purely from a modeling standpoint (highly subjective, I know) so GW may yet squeeze some cash out of me.
Anyway, living under a rock as I do, I know that Necromunda is set for some sort of large scale, all singing, all dancing boxed set soon, does anyone know if there will also be something in the same vein for Warcry*?
*I'm gonna go quickly skim the relevant threads as I've hopefully missed something!
Scrub wrote: Anyway, living under a rock as I do, I know that Necromunda is set for some sort of large scale, all singing, all dancing boxed set soon, does anyone know if there will also be something in the same vein for Warcry*?
*I'm gonna go quickly skim the relevant threads as I've hopefully missed something!
Warcry is imminently getting The Tome of Champions and the Spire Tyrants, but beyond that is unclear. We've seen the Fomoroid Crusher (WarCom), and Scions of the Flame are in the rulebook.
lord_blackfang wrote: The 40k boxes are super lame. AoS are pretty nice and the two I collect (Gitz and Nighthaunt) have a lot of stuff I need, so yay!
H.B.M.C. wrote: I hope that the 'Nid box contains lots of the miniatures that I don't currently own.
(/altruism)
It'll have a bunch of Warriors and Gargoyles.
And 2 Carnifexes.
The Nighthaunt one is pretty good, would have been tempted myself if it was not for the Mortal Realms magazine with the Nighthaunt/Stormcast armies starting around January
phillv85 wrote: Yup, as I’ve been saying for a while, I think they’re going to start making monopose SC boxes out of boxed sets. Shadowspear made it pretty obvious that it was going to be that, and with the SoB coming, it points to a new trend.
Which is immediately discredited as a concept by the existence of Blood of the Phoenix and Feast of Bones--neither of which took after Shadowspear...
not playing AOS I can't comment on feast of bones, but Blood of the Pheonix includes a 2 sets of new models and the rest is old stuff, this is differant from shadowspear and the SoB boxes.
I think at this time we can identify two TYPES of boxes GW is putting out now, the first is what you could call a "dsicount box" these boxes inlucde the full mini sets, and maybe include a single new thing, like a HQ (a primaris leuitenant say) etc. and mostly exist to give us a discount on old stuff, Wake the dead being a good example of this. and then you have "start collecting new stuff" boes that mostly introduce a ton of new stuff, and give us monopose variations. that might be put into SC boxes. examples include shadowspear, and Dark Imperium. I predict once GW puts out a new 40k starter set, we';ll see Dark Imperium (or know no fear) put out into a SC box. this'd be a way to keep those limited time models still for sale and would prevent stuff like the Ork deffcopters from ABR dissappering. (If anyone from GW is listening, track down the ABR sprues and put those out in a Ork box. you'd be doing Ork players a solid)
BrianDavion wrote: (If anyone from GW is listening, track down the ABR sprues and put those out in a Ork box. you'd be doing Ork players a solid)
Unfortunately, GW didn't plan very well with this because the AoBR and Dark Vengeance Sprues were mixed between the factions, so no easy way to separate the Orks and Space Marines.
I do agree though with the observation on a new Start Collecting box trend to include more monopose stuff on combined sprues, separate from the normal kits. After all, it makes sense for GW to motivate people to buy separate kits later and not just repeated copies of the SC box, while also maintaining relatively high sales of the SC boxes due to exclusive models (e.g. Suppressors and Obliterators). Furthermore, the older SC boxes can easily be split for sale on eBay, further limiting GW's sales of individual kits, as people can just get them cheaper from eBay sellers instead (although it is harder to make a profit from eBay splitting the Start Collecting boxes since the price rises at the beginning of this year, so many of them are not as widely available on eBay as they used to be). Of course the monopose combined sprues can be split for eBay sales too, but more effort is involved.
The Nid one is a great deal.. I did think I have enough gants, gaunts, fees and tyrants but who am I kidding .. there's never enough. Might get a box and then add a few other critters to "round it out"..
GaroRobe wrote: The AoBR sets should be already separated. Battle of Vedros has the individual units sold in box sets. Colored plastic as well
As far as I can tell, most of the Vedros box sets were different units, not from the original Black Reach box. The Battle of Vedros starter box just had original AoBR sprues, at least according to what I have seen on Youtube unboxing. However, I did notice one thing I was wrong about before: although two of the AoBR sprues are mixed, the third one is not - the sprue with the Warboss, 5 Nobz, 2 Big Shoota Boyz, and 1 Deffkopta is separate with no Space Marines. So it would be a good idea for GW to use that sprue as part of a Start Collecting Orks box; after all, the existing box doesn't even have any HQ units!
GaroRobe wrote: The AoBR sets should be already separated. Battle of Vedros has the individual units sold in box sets. Colored plastic as well
As far as I can tell, most of the Vedros box sets were different units, not from the original Black Reach box. The Battle of Vedros starter box just had original AoBR sprues, at least according to what I have seen on Youtube unboxing. However, I did notice one thing I was wrong about before: although two of the AoBR sprues are mixed, the third one is not - the sprue with the Warboss, 5 Nobz, 2 Big Shoota Boyz, and 1 Deffkopta is separate with no Space Marines. So it would be a good idea for GW to use that sprue as part of a Start Collecting Orks box; after all, the existing box doesn't even have any HQ units!
Nevelon wrote: I was all primed to grab a big marine box. With the rules updates I could use a squad or two of pretty much everything to build with other options.
Oh well.
Even without the extra HQs the start collecting is still worth it. But I never picked up shadowspear, so they are not duplicates for me.
totally worth picking up, they're nice looking minis. I'm more leaning towards the CSM box myself as I hate the new lfight stands with a passion, but I do love me those new oblits.
I'm actually not excited about any of these boxes.
Wanted to get the Dark Eldar one but I was hoping it would be cabal focused and instead got a weird hodgepodge. No desire for the offerings which is good, saves me cash for Sisters I guess.
Andykp wrote: Mephiston getting new model? About time. That one sucks.
And yet Dante still rocking around with a model almost as old as I am...
I guess GW figures It's only a problem when Dante's model is as old as he is!
I would've had preferred Dante, as I already have a nice Mephy from wargames exclusive and his Rules are actually quite okay. Dante on the other side needs some GW rules attention and I guess there's no better way for this as getting primarised right now. At least model wise wargames also covers a nice Dante model, but it would be a shame to never use it actually.
phillv85 wrote: Yup, as I’ve been saying for a while, I think they’re going to start making monopose SC boxes out of boxed sets. Shadowspear made it pretty obvious that it was going to be that, and with the SoB coming, it points to a new trend.
Which is immediately discredited as a concept by the existence of Blood of the Phoenix and Feast of Bones--neither of which took after Shadowspear...
I was literally agreeing with YOUR post above mine. Good to see you’ve not changed and can’t wait to jump down someone’s throat.
Blood of the Phoenix is obviously different to Shadowspear, it’s a PA box, not a model range relaunch. AOS I can’t really comment on, it’s probably not financially viable to do. The two so far have been dead cert sellers, and Sisters likely will be.
God I get sick of having to explain every last detail of a post just because someone comes in with an ‘ackshually’ post immediately after.
I think thats most annoying of hearing what GW for sure won't do is that GW kind of pulls things out their collective rears sometimes to throw off those " Well, actually " responses.
Like GW putting out the start collecting single build/ ETB kits in them. That really shows GW isn't adverse to doing this at all and really any ideas should be on the table.
So, let's sum up this release - zero primaris battleboxes (hell, they didn't even throw primaris Lt of either army in despite having tons lying around), zero primaris SC after three years (when even Vanguard from this year got one...), so much for pushing new army sales, eh?
I would be midly tempted by BA box if not for the fact I already bought both Sanguinary and Death Company as GW was raising prices earlier this year. Now I wonder, was price raise of both of these intended to pad 'value' of this battlebox? Thanks for killing my interest there GWbtw, I hope selling me the two old, cheaper kits was worth losing the big box sale.
Well, on plus side, 'sQaTtEd' screeching finally got the memo how dumb they look and shut up, none of it in past few pages, unlike last year threads of the same release
Tyranid Horde wrote:The Nid box is tempting me more, maybe it'll make me dig out my old gribblies and repaint them.
The Skaven box is also a really nice box!
I've been drawn to those two myself.
The Nids because they have nearly all the classic stuff (and I already have some Warriors) and the Skaven because there's a lot of creepy lil dudes I could use as Chaos Cultists, the war machines I could definitely find some use for in converting vehicles and knight types, and I saw a couple of interesting uses for ratty character bois as the base of GSC conversions.
Irbis wrote:So, let's sum up this release - zero primaris battleboxes (hell, they didn't even throw primaris Lt of either army in despite having tons lying around), zero primaris SC after three years (when even Vanguard from this year got one...), so much for pushing new army sales, eh?
I would be midly tempted by BA box if not for the fact I already bought both Sanguinary and Death Company as GW was raising prices earlier this year. Now I wonder, was price raise of both of these intended to pad 'value' of this battlebox? Thanks for killing my interest there GWbtw, I hope selling me the two old, cheaper kits was worth losing the big box sale.
Well, on plus side, 'sQaTtEd' screeching finally got the memo how dumb they look and shut up, none of it in past few pages, unlike last year threads of the same release
well, there's the new Shadowspear, and Space Wolves Primaris SC boxes, and if they're not any use, any of the Dark Imperium stuff, or buying the ETB kits separately would probably give a decent amount of Primaris if you're looking to save money. Considering what would probably be in a SC set is all already easily available at a discount maybe they've focussed more on giving us other stuff in those? Hell, see if you can nab some of the Conquest magazines for cheap on ebay. The generic Primaris probably go pretty cheap.
Andykp wrote: Mephiston getting new model? About time. That one sucks.
And yet Dante still rocking around with a model almost as old as I am...
I guess GW figures It's only a problem when Dante's model is as old as he is!
I would've had preferred Dante, as I already have a nice Mephy from wargames exclusive and his Rules are actually quite okay. Dante on the other side needs some GW rules attention and I guess there's no better way for this as getting primarised right now. At least model wise wargames also covers a nice Dante model, but it would be a shame to never use it actually.
I'm glad we haven't got Primarised Dante yet. Primaris jump packs really don't look good. Shrike didn't turn out as bad as I had imagined, but it's still not a great look. Especially the lil thrusters on the back of the legs. If we get primaris with the older style jumppacks, that wouldn't be the worst thing. But for the time being, a new Dante would look too bulky and weird.
I'm glad we haven't got Primarised Dante yet. Primaris jump packs really don't look good. Shrike didn't turn out as bad as I had imagined, but it's still not a great look. Especially the lil thrusters on the back of the legs. If we get primaris with the older style jumppacks, that wouldn't be the worst thing. But for the time being, a new Dante would look too bulky and weird
Shrike and Suppressors both suffer for the fact that they tried to make them retain the "Fly" keyword rather than giving them a bespoke movement rule coupled with the Grav-Chute Deployment(which is what the fluff says that Suppressors at least utilize).
The Suppressors are described as using the thrusters on the back of the legs in conjunction with the 'skids' to make bounding leaps rather than outright flight.
Andykp wrote: Mephiston getting new model? About time. That one sucks.
And yet Dante still rocking around with a model almost as old as I am...
I guess GW figures It's only a problem when Dante's model is as old as he is!
I would've had preferred Dante, as I already have a nice Mephy from wargames exclusive and his Rules are actually quite okay. Dante on the other side needs some GW rules attention and I guess there's no better way for this as getting primarised right now. At least model wise wargames also covers a nice Dante model, but it would be a shame to never use it actually.
I'm willing to bet we'll see a Dante Primaris model with the release of their 9th ed/next codex. That's part of what PA is for, a trickle of models to keep us hooked and spread out releases.Same with characters like Azrael, Logan etc
Since kidneys usually sell for about $5,000 on the black market, these boxes are worth approximately 3.7% of a kidney. If you buy all of them, it is worth more than 30% of a kidney.
Andykp wrote: Mephiston getting new model? About time. That one sucks.
And yet Dante still rocking around with a model almost as old as I am...
I guess GW figures It's only a problem when Dante's model is as old as he is!
I would've had preferred Dante, as I already have a nice Mephy from wargames exclusive and his Rules are actually quite okay. Dante on the other side needs some GW rules attention and I guess there's no better way for this as getting primarised right now. At least model wise wargames also covers a nice Dante model, but it would be a shame to never use it actually.
I'm glad we haven't got Primarised Dante yet. Primaris jump packs really don't look good. Shrike didn't turn out as bad as I had imagined, but it's still not a great look. Especially the lil thrusters on the back of the legs. If we get primaris with the older style jumppacks, that wouldn't be the worst thing. But for the time being, a new Dante would look too bulky and weird.
unless they took the grav vanes at the back and worked them into a wing set up etc so that dante's wings WHERE his jump pack. which would be pretty awesome
Not gonna lie, the Skaven box set is a disappointment. Two grey seers and a unit of clan rats? If this is supposed to be a corruption box set, it should have included two units of monks and no clan rats. The grey seer is doable, but CRs are a bad addition and make the box pretty well pants.
Since kidneys usually sell for about $5,000 on the black market, these boxes are worth approximately 3.7% of a kidney. If you buy all of them, it is worth more than 30% of a kidney.
percentage of kidney needs to be how we compare all GW prices moving forwards.
Since kidneys usually sell for about $5,000 on the black market, these boxes are worth approximately 3.7% of a kidney. If you buy all of them, it is worth more than 30% of a kidney.
percentage of kidney needs to be how we compare all GW prices moving forwards.
[H] Kidney [W] Mechanicum, Contemptors (any legion), Solar Auxilia [Loc] UK
I just realized they left the Librarian model out of the Space marine start collecting. I get that he's on a separate sprue, but that's still annoying.
GaroRobe wrote: I just realized they left the Librarian model out of the Space marine start collecting. I get that he's on a separate sprue, but that's still annoying.
Same goes for the Vanguard Captain. Only the Lieutenant is included, because he's on the same sprues as the rest.
GaroRobe wrote: I just realized they left the Librarian model out of the Space marine start collecting. I get that he's on a separate sprue, but that's still annoying.
Same goes for the Vanguard Captain. Only the Lieutenant is included, because he's on the same sprues as the rest.
Do any Start Collect sets come with multiple HQ? Seem to makes sense to leave those out of the set for that reason alone
As a BA player who just bought the Phobos Librarian the Vanguard box is a perfect fit for me. Might even buy 2 of them since I never got to buy shadowspear. The second LT I could just convert to a Captain or trade off. The BA box on the other hand isnt tempting at all. Even a third Vanguard box is more interesting. Even if both were ~ 100 euros the vanguard box would look more tempting...
GaroRobe wrote: I just realized they left the Librarian model out of the Space marine start collecting. I get that he's on a separate sprue, but that's still annoying.
Same goes for the Vanguard Captain. Only the Lieutenant is included, because he's on the same sprues as the rest.
Do any Start Collect sets come with multiple HQ? Seem to makes sense to leave those out of the set for that reason alone
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Three that come to mind are the Necron one (CCB and Overlord on foot), the T'au one if one (or more) of the Crisis suits is built as an XV8 Commander, the Astra Militarum one if the Leman is used as a Tank Commander.
WhiteDog wrote: I'm tempted to start a drukhari army, but I'm not sure it's a good box to start. What do you guys think ?
Looks decent to me and a good starting point for a Drukhari army. You'll initially want to build towards a Kabalite force with this set as the starter so another Archon and more transports would be in order. The Reavers, saddly, are not a good unit so even if you wanted to work towards a Wych Cult you still probably wont get much out of them. Covens are excellent and Talos are a must have if you go that way but from this box will be something to use later once you've got Wracks and Haemonculi to go with them.
GaroRobe wrote: I just realized they left the Librarian model out of the Space marine start collecting. I get that he's on a separate sprue, but that's still annoying.
Same goes for the Vanguard Captain. Only the Lieutenant is included, because he's on the same sprues as the rest.
Do any Start Collect sets come with multiple HQ? Seem to makes sense to leave those out of the set for that reason alone
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Three that come to mind are the Necron one (CCB and Overlord on foot), the T'au one if one (or more) of the Crisis suits is built as an XV8 Commander, the Astra Militarum one if the Leman is used as a Tank Commander.
The Militarum Tempestus one, too. You can build a Lord Commissar and a Tempestor Prime.
WhiteDog wrote: I'm tempted to start a drukhari army, but I'm not sure it's a good box to start. What do you guys think ?
It's a good place to start. The units are all solid (except maybe the jetbikes, which are good but not great), but it's an organizational mess because Drukhari are split into three mini-codexes. If you buy another couple Venoms (cheap on eBay currently) and another Archon or Drazhar you'll have a Kabal battalion, and the plane is really good to add to it. The reaver jet bikes and Talos aren't usable unless you buy HQs and more units to make Wych and Covern detachments, but the start collecting is good for wych support at least.
GaroRobe wrote: I just realized they left the Librarian model out of the Space marine start collecting. I get that he's on a separate sprue, but that's still annoying.
Same goes for the Vanguard Captain. Only the Lieutenant is included, because he's on the same sprues as the rest.
Do any Start Collect sets come with multiple HQ? Seem to makes sense to leave those out of the set for that reason alone
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Three that come to mind are the Necron one (CCB and Overlord on foot), the T'au one if one (or more) of the Crisis suits is built as an XV8 Commander, the Astra Militarum one if the Leman is used as a Tank Commander.
The Militarum Tempestus one, too. You can build a Lord Commissar and a Tempestor Prime.
There\s notable pattern here though. All mentioned characters can be build as non-character model as well. Necron, tau, IG, tempestus...Marine ones from shadowspear don't build non-character unit out of them. So not really comparable
Klickor wrote: As a BA player who just bought the Phobos Librarian the Vanguard box is a perfect fit for me. Might even buy 2 of them since I never got to buy shadowspear. The second LT I could just convert to a Captain or trade off. The BA box on the other hand isnt tempting at all. Even a third Vanguard box is more interesting. Even if both were ~ 100 euros the vanguard box would look more tempting...
I plan on getting two and using the 2nd Lieutenant as a way of creating a different looking sergeant for the infiltrators units. Maybe trying to split the 2nd unit in to 2x 5man squads instead of a second 10 man squad.
GaroRobe wrote: I just realized they left the Librarian model out of the Space marine start collecting. I get that he's on a separate sprue, but that's still annoying.
Same goes for the Vanguard Captain. Only the Lieutenant is included, because he's on the same sprues as the rest.
Skeletor dude is on separate sprue, like VL and VC, yet he was included despite CSM half being much better deal than Vanguard already...
craggy wrote: well, there's the new Shadowspear, and Space Wolves Primaris SC boxes, and if they're not any use, any of the Dark Imperium stuff, or buying the ETB kits separately would probably give a decent amount of Primaris if you're looking to save money. Considering what would probably be in a SC set is all already easily available at a discount maybe they've focussed more on giving us other stuff in those? Hell, see if you can nab some of the Conquest magazines for cheap on ebay. The generic Primaris probably go pretty cheap.
Shadowspear is vanguard, though, not primaris. Yes, technically they are subset of primaris, but it's like telling someone who wants to collect oldmarines and waits for SC with tactical squad that box with two assault squads is, like, totally the same thing. Add to that frakking up vanguard with both mediocre rules (especially their officers...) and denying them both HQ models from spear and you get pretty garbage, unappealing box. I'd maybe say to anyone considering getting it to go for it, but only on really big discount and certainly not for full SC price.
As for SC wolfwolves, most of the "discount" is eaten up by upgrade sprues (that are useless for not-wolfwolves players) and the fact their lieutenant has wargear doubly illegal for literally any other SM chapter, making it one of the worst values of the entire SC line unless you intend to use it as SW-only box. I have no idea why GW had to gak it up so much, if it was BA or DASC you could at least make use of their lieutenants and most of the upgrades even for generic marines, SW, not so much...
And yeah, I pretty much gave up on SC ever coming out and I'm currently waiting for Conquest to come to my (or neighboring) country, but still, it would be nice to see something come with full intercessor/reiver kits at a discount, for ease of conversions if anything.
As for SC wolfwolves, most of the "discount" is eaten up by upgrade sprues (that are useless for not-wolfwolves players) and the fact their lieutenant has wargear doubly illegal for literally any other SM chapter, making it one of the worst values of the entire SC line unless you intend to use it as SW-only box. I have no idea why GW had to gak it up so much, if it was BA or DASC you could at least make use of their lieutenants and most of the upgrades even for generic marines, SW, not so much...
A product called 'Start Collecting Space Wolves' and you're criticising it for not being much use or value unless you 'intend to use it as a SW only box'?
"I have no idea why GW had to (why are you swearing) it up so much."
In this case, and UK players will remember the Ronseal ads, this product does EXACTLY what is says on the tin, to wit, providing Space Wolves.
Obviously, this product is not for you. On a plus side, someone who wants Space Wolves won't be disappointed because you bought the last one. Save your pennies because next year could see Battleforce Space Marines released.
Personally I'm narked because the Dark Elves box won't allow me to increase the size of my Leman Russ platoon.
GaroRobe wrote: I just realized they left the Librarian model out of the Space marine start collecting. I get that he's on a separate sprue, but that's still annoying.
Same goes for the Vanguard Captain. Only the Lieutenant is included, because he's on the same sprues as the rest.
Skeletor dude is on separate sprue, like VL and VC, yet he was included despite CSM half being much better deal than Vanguard already...
craggy wrote: well, there's the new Shadowspear, and Space Wolves Primaris SC boxes, and if they're not any use, any of the Dark Imperium stuff, or buying the ETB kits separately would probably give a decent amount of Primaris if you're looking to save money. Considering what would probably be in a SC set is all already easily available at a discount maybe they've focussed more on giving us other stuff in those? Hell, see if you can nab some of the Conquest magazines for cheap on ebay. The generic Primaris probably go pretty cheap.
Shadowspear is vanguard, though, not primaris. Yes, technically they are subset of primaris, but it's like telling someone who wants to collect oldmarines and waits for SC with tactical squad that box with two assault squads is, like, totally the same thing. Add to that frakking up vanguard with both mediocre rules (especially their officers...) and denying them both HQ models from spear and you get pretty garbage, unappealing box. I'd maybe say to anyone considering getting it to go for it, but only on really big discount and certainly not for full SC price.
As for SC wolfwolves, most of the "discount" is eaten up by upgrade sprues (that are useless for not-wolfwolves players) and the fact their lieutenant has wargear doubly illegal for literally any other SM chapter, making it one of the worst values of the entire SC line unless you intend to use it as SW-only box. I have no idea why GW had to gak it up so much, if it was BA or DASC you could at least make use of their lieutenants and most of the upgrades even for generic marines, SW, not so much...
And yeah, I pretty much gave up on SC ever coming out and I'm currently waiting for Conquest to come to my (or neighboring) country, but still, it would be nice to see something come with full intercessor/reiver kits at a discount, for ease of conversions if anything.
I totally agree about the SC start collecting. It is really lackluster if you compare it to the CSM part of shadowspear. If the box had the actual kit of the eliminator and the incursor/infiltrator it would a different discussion tho.
Wow, people are in a twist because the start collecting boxes aren't the bees knees?
I was worried this was going to happen, that the Start Collecting for CSM and SM would be just the shadowspear stuff. At the very least, there are models that you can only get in those kits (suppressors, lt, the helix adept on one side, and pretty much everything bar the chaos marines on the other).
Ah well. I guess we'll see what happens in the next year.
I totally agree about the SC start collecting. It is really lackluster if you compare it to the CSM part of shadowspear. If the box had the actual kit of the eliminator and the incursor/infiltrator it would a different discussion tho.
And if it had "the actual kit" of the Eliminator or the Phobos specialists?
There wouldn't be the Phobos Lieutenant with carbine+grav chute or the Helix-Adept or any Suppressors outside of Shadowspear.
Because the sprues literally don't allow for it.
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drbored wrote: Wow, people are in a twist because the start collecting boxes aren't the bees knees?
I was worried this was going to happen, that the Start Collecting for CSM and SM would be just the shadowspear stuff. At the very least, there are models that you can only get in those kits (suppressors, lt, the helix adept on one side, and pretty much everything bar the chaos marines on the other).
Ah well. I guess we'll see what happens in the next year.
Frankly, GW kind of shot themselves in the foot with the original Start Collecting sets. The intention was to have "jumping off" points for people, hence the Formations and Warscroll Battalions allowing for someone to circumvent the required "1 HQ 2 Troops" purchases of the past...
But the Great Deal wasn't limited to new players. It became a way for existing players to get stuff cheap instead.
We all know that Kanluwen. It doesn't change the fact that there is a huge inequality between those two boxes as they are now (point wise and model wise).
I totally agree about the SC start collecting. It is really lackluster if you compare it to the CSM part of shadowspear. If the box had the actual kit of the eliminator and the incursor/infiltrator it would a different discussion tho.
And if it had "the actual kit" of the Eliminator or the Phobos specialists?
There wouldn't be the Phobos Lieutenant with carbine+grav chute or the Helix-Adept or any Suppressors outside of Shadowspear.
Because the sprues literally don't allow for it.
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drbored wrote: Wow, people are in a twist because the start collecting boxes aren't the bees knees?
I was worried this was going to happen, that the Start Collecting for CSM and SM would be just the shadowspear stuff. At the very least, there are models that you can only get in those kits (suppressors, lt, the helix adept on one side, and pretty much everything bar the chaos marines on the other).
Ah well. I guess we'll see what happens in the next year.
Frankly, GW kind of shot themselves in the foot with the original Start Collecting sets. The intention was to have "jumping off" points for people, hence the Formations and Warscroll Battalions allowing for someone to circumvent the required "1 HQ 2 Troops" purchases of the past...
But the Great Deal wasn't limited to new players. It became a way for existing players to get stuff cheap instead.
Only with GW would that be a problem. Their materials cost is literally a couple dollars per box, combine that with made up conversion rates and GW is make several thousand percent return on investment while also being able to bundle underperforming kits together with strong perfomers and increase sales volumes at the same time.
Oh, and that's not even counting instances where bundling underperforming kits together can create enough value that it becomes a strong performer in its own right (look at fyreslayers with the magmadroth box. No one could afford to build a fyreslayers army before that. Now that box is a top seller at still enormous margins.)
That GW thinks they're not making enough money on these at 85-95$ is someone in corporate seeing their share value going up for the past few quarters and thinking 'I bet if we gouged them even harder I could retire to Cabo in my 30s.'
GaroRobe wrote: I just realized they left the Librarian model out of the Space marine start collecting. I get that he's on a separate sprue, but that's still annoying.
Same goes for the Vanguard Captain. Only the Lieutenant is included, because he's on the same sprues as the rest.
Do any Start Collect sets come with multiple HQ? Seem to makes sense to leave those out of the set for that reason alone
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Three that come to mind are the Necron one (CCB and Overlord on foot), the T'au one if one (or more) of the Crisis suits is built as an XV8 Commander, the Astra Militarum one if the Leman is used as a Tank Commander.
The Militarum Tempestus one, too. You can build a Lord Commissar and a Tempestor Prime.
There\s notable pattern here though. All mentioned characters can be build as non-character model as well. Necron, tau, IG, tempestus...Marine ones from shadowspear don't build non-character unit out of them. So not really comparable
Hah! I just realized you could build a Lord Commissar and two Tempestor Primes with their command squads! That’s three!
the marine SC box is hoenstly not that bad, it's 1 HQ, 1 troop choice, 1 fast attack, and 1 heavy support. that's a patrol detachment. no it's not the full multipart kit, but for someone looking to just start space Marines it's not bad at all
WhiteDog wrote: We all know that Kanluwen. It doesn't change the fact that there is a huge inequality between those two boxes as they are now (point wise and model wise).
And money wise? How differing the value in money is? SC's are never balanced with points and model count wise anyway. They aren't intended as armies vs each other. What matters is a) what's the discount % b) how useful the units themselves are. If it's complete junk it's not much worth. I doubt many would buy box of 3 stompas even if it was 50% discounted!
WhiteDog wrote: We all know that Kanluwen. It doesn't change the fact that there is a huge inequality between those two boxes as they are now (point wise and model wise).
And money wise? How differing the value in money is? SC's are never balanced with points and model count wise anyway. They aren't intended as armies vs each other. What matters is a) what's the discount % b) how useful the units themselves are. If it's complete junk it's not much worth. I doubt many would buy box of 3 stompas even if it was 50% discounted!
It would be nice if GW added a sprue or two to the stompa kit to give it alternate head and weapon options. I'd buy one or two more if they did that, even if the rules are bad.
No surprise they haven't sold out of the Advent Calendars. I logged on at 10am while in the gym this morning thinking "if this is under £60 I'm having it, and I don't want to miss out!" Turns out it's £90 and it's still available now despite being limited to 1364 units. I'm guessing many people did exactly as I did and thought Feth that at £90.
Eh its actually cheaper than I thought it would be based on what GW tends to charge for artwork. It's a specialist thing and its likely also hampered a bit in sales because you don't know exactly what art you are getting. I've have shown off more of the art in a big spread showing each month with perhaps one or two special surprise ones.
Scottywan82 wrote: I wonder what the Champions of Dreadfane is. I enjoy both of those Warbands in Underworlds, so I would love to see more for them.
It's just the 2 Warbands from Dreadfane - Ironsoul's Condemnors and Lady Harrow's Mournflight packed together for general release as the full Dreadfane box set is only available in the US, Germany and Canada
Scottywan82 wrote: I wonder what the Champions of Dreadfane is. I enjoy both of those Warbands in Underworlds, so I would love to see more for them.
It's just the 2 Warbands from Dreadfane - Ironsoul's Condemnors and Lady Harrow's Mournflight packed together for general release as the full Dreadfane box set is only available in the US, Germany and Canada
Interesting. I wonder if it has new general cards, since Dreadfane only had the faction specific decks. If not, I am surprised this would be cheaper than just buying Dreadfane.
Now that the prices and releases are basically confirmed to match the leaks, I guess we can say that those screaming "FAKE NEWS" were doing it because they didn't like them?
