The Twin Souls heads look like that because they are paired with a deamons soul so it makes sense they look like that

Nice previews - but was expecting a bit more...

 Matrindur wrote:
The Twin Souls heads look like that because they are paired with a deamons soul which makes them look like that

We know what the lore is. We just think the heads look bad.

Heavy flash backs to Forsaken and 3rd Ed Dark Eldar Warriors.

Someone on The Grand Alliance caught Slaangor in one of the pictures of the new Slaanesh minis!

Oh Lordy, the Twin Soul heads are atrocious!

 Sabotage! wrote:
Someone on The Grand Alliance caught Slaangor in one of the pictures of the new Slaanesh minis!

Did he get a pic!

Yeah, very good but once again not much.

It seems 40K just isn't on par with AoS these days...

 Sabotage! wrote:
Someone on The Grand Alliance caught Slaangor in one of the pictures of the new Slaanesh minis!

The pic in question:

I for one really liked this preview.....but they showed preview images during the countdown to the event that they didn't show the models for, which is interesting.

They did say that there is another preview in early December, so that could very well be where we see those, but still an odd choice to use those imagines in the lead up previews and then not reveal the minis.

Ok, so in the background of the Hedonite video, there are a few new models.

Slaangor
Some stand alone model holding a Standard(?) and a big golden thing with a jewel or mirror in it

So anything new regarding rules for 40k?

Great reveal! Hopefully the Incubi stats are sign of things to come for the Aspect Warriors. Having Banshees, Spears and Scorpions hit on 2's makes them feel more elite along the lines of Custodes. If they scale their weapons to be more impactful I can see them becoming relevant again assuming their points reflect the changes.

Slaanesh is definitely the spotlight overall though, Sigvald is channelling his inner Sanguinius....

Sigvald: Amazing!
Paingivers: Even better!
Twin souls: ...Really? “Let’s copy Oogie’s kids for the heads” was the artistic directive?

Granted, it makes for a great variant paint scheme...

 GaroRobe wrote:
I was hoping for mortals like the "twins" from underworlds. But I'm guessing these aren't the only two units to be released, hopefully...

That's my hope also.

Hopefully the Slaanesh range will get expanded over the course of the broken realms books- a long shot, but I can dream!

More likelly we'll get this and then have to wait to synch up with when ever 40k slaanesh gets it's stuff.

Well this was a very cheap preview for me. Don't care about DA or DE, don't play any of these specialist games, absolutely HATE slaanesh.

But not every preview has to be for me and honestly, I definitely have enough stuff for now.

Preview in Early December is for Black LIbrary...

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Someone on The Grand Alliance caught Slaangor in one of the pictures of the new Slaanesh minis!

Did he get a pic!

This? I guess

Signals with cattle horns is.... Odd.
Rest of the model is great, but the horns rather undermine his 'Perfection'

Underworld warband and Mirror Guard Slaanesh Warriors look good.

 Sabotage! wrote:
I for one really liked this preview.....but they showed preview images during the countdown to the event that they didn't show the models for, which is interesting.
.

Nah, all the five teases match up. The first one wasn't a model. It was artwork for the new dark eldar codex cover

 Sabotage! wrote:
I for one really liked this preview.....but they showed preview images during the countdown to the event that they didn't show the models for, which is interesting.

They did say that there is another preview in early December, so that could very well be where we see those, but still an odd choice to use those imagines in the lead up previews and then not reveal the minis.

The next preview is for Black Library

I’m getting the sneaking suspicion that the Death Guard release is going to be half-assed.

Aren't they just getting a new model, a terrain piece, and potentially rereleasing some of the easy build models/DI guys?

GaroRobe wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I for one really liked this preview.....but they showed preview images during the countdown to the event that they didn't show the models for, which is interesting.
.

Nah, all the five teases match up. The first one wasn't a model. It was artwork for the new dark eldar codex cover

Ah, nice catch. I hadn't considered that.

Marshal Loss wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
I for one really liked this preview.....but they showed preview images during the countdown to the event that they didn't show the models for, which is interesting.

They did say that there is another preview in early December, so that could very well be where we see those, but still an odd choice to use those imagines in the lead up previews and then not reveal the minis.

The next preview is for Black Library

Ah...right you are. Bummer.

There is quite a bit more to see in the background of their reveal video

Right ones look like Slaangors and the left one looks like a bigger model based on the size of the base

Left one looks like the new Lord of Pain but seems like another Character on the right also some kind of chariot carried by some Slaangors in the middle?

Also this part in the background could be part of a bigger centerpiece model

Was there a date given for Codex DA? I'm interested in when to expect a Combat Patrol box for them.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I was hoping for mortals like the "twins" from underworlds. But I'm guessing these aren't the only two units to be released, hopefully...

Looking at them the new models we've seen look very much like chaos warriors and Chaos warrior champions. That is hand and shield and twohanded weapon heavy armour units. This leaves plenty of room for another unit of mortals following the designs of the Warcry team with weaker stats, but cheaper in points. Based on the idea that so far every underworld warband we've seen closely copies the parent army designs.


Also for those that don't like the "twinsoul" faces you can easily put the helmets on them. The weapons are the big main feature and both forms feature the same heavy armour so you can easily put the helm on - perhaps add some spikes and such - and it will look good.

January for DA, along with Drukhari.

The one pic makes me think of the island of blood rat ogre in the "gorilla" pose.

Comparing the new guys to the Underworlds team, I've got to say I prefer the aesthetic of the latter more. The Paingivers have a lot of the same visual cues, similar helmet and shield, etc. But the fact that the W:U guy has his skin exposed and covered in scars just seems more slaaneshy. These guys love pain. Show some skin. Be sensual!

Nice to see all the additional stuff in the background of the preview, as it means the Slaanesh release will actually be pretty substantial and not just a hero and one new kit.

Lighter infantry, like the Underworlds kit, could be a possibility also.

I'm just glad the test model (Sigvald) for the Resurrection of Sanguinius looks good.

Should be an interesting 2021.

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
I’m getting the sneaking suspicion that the Death Guard release is going to be half-assed.

Book, terrain, character, combat　patrol. That's all that was sane to wait. That's more than most will likely get

 Matrindur wrote:
There is quite a bit more to see in the background of their reveal video

Right ones look like Slaangors and the left one looks like a bigger model based on the size of the base

Left one looks like the new Lord of Pain but seems like another Character on the right also some kind of chariot carried by some Slaangors in the middle?

Also this part in the background could be part of a bigger centerpiece model

Top image looks like all Slaangors to me, with the unit champion/standalone leader in the middle

Hard to tell what's going on in the other two images, but yeah, seems like an additional leader/character, and two new great big models, one of which seems more like a palaquin on top of two beasts of burden

Very exciting. I was happy enough to just get the one box of Slaanesh mortals, but now I'm very keen for a proper full release

JWBS wrote:
Was there a date given for Codex DA? I'm interested in when to expect a Combat Patrol box for them.

No dates have officially been given to dg/ba yet(odds are good preorder announced tomorrow) but if tomorrow announcement　is　true odds　are good in-store 2.1.2021

tneva82 wrote:

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
I’m getting the sneaking suspicion that the Death Guard release is going to be half-assed.

Book, terrain, character, combat　patrol. That's all that was sane to wait. That's more than most will likely get

Plus the widespread release of the Space Marine Heroes: Plague Marines.

Just no beautiful chaos sorcerer

I really like the Slaanesh stuff. The twinsouls faces are bad, but apart from that I love it. Sigvald is Magnificent (chortle).

Wasn't that already sold and　sold out?

 Sabotage! wrote:
Nice to see all the additional stuff in the background of the preview, as it means the Slaanesh release will actually be pretty substantial and not just a hero and one new kit.

I hope so. Maybe be there will be another kit that makes two different models: Bellydancer-fighter and Mortal Archers, to mimic the Underworlds release.

And then Slaangors. We need those. It'd be fun if they were the "big" minis, mirroring the one from Underwords in that they're kind of like Blight Knights or those need Tree people. Or Wraithguard sized, if you want to put it in the context of 40k. In other words, not just another Beastmen kit.

 bullyboy wrote:
Can't believe they are doing another Vigilus type release, definitely not buying that book which means copying any rules inside from online posts if decent. Crusade stuff....all good, but matched play new rules at this stage, hell no.

Agree. Splitting the rules for one rather small army into two books and then releasing them at the same time cannot be excused to be anything but a cash-grab. I am buying the codex and the crusade book, but definitely not this campaign nonsense - especially not if it's of a similar quality as Vigilus was..

tneva82 wrote:

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
I’m getting the sneaking suspicion that the Death Guard release is going to be half-assed.

Book, terrain, character, combat　patrol. That's all that was sane to wait. That's more than most will likely get

I mean, I think it’s going to be half-assed even inside the codex. At this point I’m not expecting “choose your own plague company” rules, a protocols/doctrines equivalent, or updates to the <legion> keyword restriction that make souping chaos marines less useful than souping chaos daemons.

Gotta agree that campaign book seems like a waste of ink. 9th just started, I don't see why you would want to fragment the rules for a faction this early on given that only 2 armies have been updated for the edition so far.

They couldn't be bothered to show a single new 40k model? Not even the new Lelith Hesperax that we know has been studio-painted for like months now?

 Esmer wrote:
They couldn't be bothered to show a single new 40k model? Not even the new Lelith Hesperax that we know has been studio-painted for like months now?

Nope, Xenos don't get a model spotlight. Only marines are allowed excessive photograph loving

 Esmer wrote:
They couldn't be bothered to show a single new 40k model? Not even the new Lelith Hesperax that we know has been studio-painted for like months now?

Yeah, it was rather disappointing.

Our wallets are grateful but...dammit, its supposed to be 40K - the big-bad wargame that dominates the tables. GW needed to push the boat out.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Esmer wrote:
They couldn't be bothered to show a single new 40k model? Not even the new Lelith Hesperax that we know has been studio-painted for like months now?

Nope, Xenos don't get a model spotlight. Only marines are allowed excessive photograph loving

we got 12 pages guys! 12 pages before the marine hate I know that this seems good, but bear in mind that there were no marines included in today's preview, so it's actually not that good

Disappointing preview IMO. I'm primarily a 40k guy and I'm only interested in seeing new models, which I know is a niche but I suspect it's a fairly substantial one. I wasn't expecting something wild like a full Emperors Children range but just a couple of new models would have been good (even just full views of some of the lieutenant models previously glimpsed at).

I do like the tone of the previews though, the presenters strike a good balance of salesmanship and genuine hobbyist enthusiasm. It doesn't feel too corporate or pushy. I hope they can strike a better balance of content and that these continue even post corona.

JWBS wrote:


we got 12 pages guys! 12 pages before the marine hate I know that this seems good, but bear in mind that there were no marines included in today's preview, so it's actually not that good

Marines are fair game; they wear armour and helmets to hide how upset they are!

Lots of awesome stuff

Really like the Underworlds Warband and the new Magnificent One! Also enjoying the similiarity between the look of the Lumineth and the new Slaanesh Warriors.

Interested to see what what they do with Dark Eldar - I love Incubi and these seem to be getting there plus the mention of new special rules for detachments and probably a Dracon (lt) model

Not sure about the Archeoteks but the sky boarders are great (and if you play Dredd) and maybe for some Dark Eldar conversions.

Another great preview

Well thats... meh.
Its surreal that specialist game gets more model.support than 40k faction that sorely need it. Instead. Enjoy your codex and codex supplament..

It’s really extra sleaze to announce the dark eldar book and campaign book with extra dark eldar rules at the same preview! All the new rules should just be in the codex.

 Grimskul wrote:
Gotta agree that campaign book seems like a waste of ink. 9th just started, I don't see why you would want to fragment the rules for a faction this early on given that only 2 armies have been updated for the edition so far.

And if they put crusade　stuff to book　some would be complainieg of excess non-matched stuff　in book　

Either/Or wrote:
It’s really extra sleaze to announce the dark eldar book and campaign book with extra dark eldar rules at the same preview! All the new rules should just be in the codex.

Seems to suggest everybody is getting supplaments. Except marines get dedicated ones while everyone else gets some sort if shared book.. not saying its good marines get dedicated books. Saying it suck everyone gets supplaments rather than rules in main codex..

Crusade expansion i dont think anyone would have a problem.with..

The underworlds and necromunda stuff is, I think, the best of it. Just wish the hover board van stars weren't so static and a pair of duplicate poses. Orlocks had the same problem, but it seems magnified here. Love the two battle harness models, however.

Slaanesh is hit and miss, but I've no real desire to try to paint it, even the good stuff.

I'm left with a bad feeling about the DG and dark eldar releases. It will be good to see those factions get some love, but the lack of models make them feel like thin releases, and DE in particular need a lot of model support.

The stupid campaign book with extra rules is definitely a problem. It's far, far too soon for that kind of crap.


Treebeard is a actual good treeman model, and I don't know how to intellectually deal with that.

We all knew that not every Xenos was going to get the full works rebuild that Necrons got in terms of new model support. If anything DE aren't in that bad a spot model wise compared to, say, Craftworld Eldar who sorely need a big Necron sized update.

It's a shame DE don't seem to be getting many if any new toys to play with, but a working Codex means getting to use the toys you do have and getting to use them in new ways and perhaps even refocus your army in a new direction and buy some models you don't yet own (or buy more of them for a theme).


Plus don't forget GW is today far more open to drip feeding out models as well as a big releases. DE might not get anything new now, but in a few months they might get some drip fed out new models to pick up.

In agreement with everyone else so far. Those Painbringers are exactly what I would expect a Slaanesh mortal unit to look like. Opulent, twisted, and still somewhat reminiscent of a traditional chaos warrior.

I dig the single silver breastplate on each. Cool touch. The armor looks similar enough to the Twinsouls I wonder if it's a dual kit or at the least, the parts will be compatible with each other (easy way to fix the head issue?).

I feel like the Cypher Lords would actually blend in pretty well with these guys.

I may not have gotten a Be'lakor showing up, but Sigvald is looking pretty nice.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
In agreement with everyone else so far. Those Painbringers are exactly what I would expect a Slaanesh mortal unit to look like. Opulent, twisted, and still somewhat reminiscent of a traditional chaos warrior.

I dig the single silver breastplate on each. Cool touch. The armor looks similar enough to the Twinsouls I wonder if it's a dual kit or at the least, the parts will be compatible with each other (easy way to fix the head issue?).

I feel like the Cypher Lords would actually blend in pretty well with these guys.

I may not have gotten a Be'lakor showing up, but Sigvald is looking pretty nice.

The bodies are identical, it will be a dual head kit.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:


I dig the single silver breastplate on each. Cool touch. The armor looks similar enough to the Twinsouls I wonder if it's a dual kit or at the least, the parts will be compatible with each other (easy way to fix the head issue?).

It was confirmed in the stream that its a duel kit. From what I can tell the bodies are the same, the variation is in weapons and heads. It's baiscally the Chaos Warriors for Slaanesh - you've got your sword and shield full armour warriors as basics; then you've got your duel weapon open helm elite style warriors. So yep if you hate the exposed heads you can easily put the helms on them and the weapons will still easily identify them for what they are.

Wow that's gonna be one big Slaneesh relase

Either/Or wrote:
It’s really extra sleaze to announce the dark eldar book and campaign book with extra dark eldar rules at the same preview! All the new rules should just be in the codex.

Well, they started down that train with Marine supplements, getting, say, Space Wolves players to buy two books, instead of one. So why not make everybody buy two books would be the obvious question the sales guys would be asking

The one redeeming factor of the unhelmeted heads is some would be great for Chaos Sisters of Silence.

Although SoS are blanks. So the chances of them being possessed or going chaos are pretty much 0. :/

Pleasantly surprised there actually was more than 1 thing for Slaanesh. Sigvald looks actually hot, (which confirms my suspicion GW sculptors need more practice with lady faces, but that's beside the point), the myrmidons look good, the twinsouls look good...right until you see the faces. They tried to go for leering, they got goofy sadly.
Underworlds stuff is solid, that's all i can say.

40k stuff- nice that the dark eldar are getting a codex, but seeing some models would be nice.
If I were 40k-oriented I'd be seriously annoyed at all the bloatware in shape of campaign books and cards and stuff vs models, esp. since it's "part 1" only.

The necromunda models are not bad, but the hoverboards look to have some really fiddly and snappable bits.

 Overread wrote:
We all knew that not every Xenos was going to get the full works rebuild that Necrons got in terms of new model support. If anything DE aren't in that bad a spot model wise compared to, say, Craftworld Eldar who sorely need a big Necron sized update.

It's a shame DE don't seem to be getting many if any new toys to play with, but a working Codex means getting to use the toys you do have and getting to use them in new ways and perhaps even refocus your army in a new direction and buy some models you don't yet own (or buy more of them for a theme).


Plus don't forget GW is today far more open to drip feeding out models as well as a big releases. DE might not get anything new now, but in a few months they might get some drip fed out new models to pick up.

They have a thing for releasing new models which dont exist with codex rules. The fact that the codex is dropping seems a strong indicator they have no interestin in any models anytime soon.

Could be wrong...


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Sunny Side Up wrote:

Either/Or wrote:
It’s really extra sleaze to announce the dark eldar book and campaign book with extra dark eldar rules at the same preview! All the new rules should just be in the codex.

Well, they started down that train with Marine supplements, getting, say, Space Wolves players to buy two books, instead of one. So why not make everybody buy two books would be the obvious question the sales guys would be asking

Yep..

Sigvald looks...OK. I would love to try get both models, new and old, and try to fiddle with them: give the new Sigvald his older, non daemonic head. The pose is also rather meh. And the base looks too large for such a delicate model.

Necromunda is pure bs. "Let's give everyone units that are hot headed and can, in one way or another, fly" Derp.The other ones look quite derp as well. In fact, I think that the first wave of the new Necromunda is (was?) miles better than the new one.

LOTR Treebeard looks amazing. But hey, what else can you expect when you get managers who are actually passionate about the game and actually show up playing it, not just hiring a random intern who does something over his lunch break.

And 40k... I don't even want to get involved into it, but the whole idea of "this supplement will have rules for Dark Eldar" and "hey, we are also releasing a Dark Eldar codex" with not a single mention about whether Codex will have the supplement's rules included is just a dick move beyond everything.

 TalonZahn wrote:
I'm just glad the test model (Sigvald) for the Resurrection of Sanguinius looks good.

Should be an interesting 2021.

Please no. Don't even joke about that. Whatever integrity the remaining creators of 40k have left will be chucked out the window if they do that.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

Either/Or wrote:
It’s really extra sleaze to announce the dark eldar book and campaign book with extra dark eldar rules at the same preview! All the new rules should just be in the codex.

Well, they started down that train with Marine supplements, getting, say, Space Wolves players to buy two books, instead of one. So why not make everybody buy two books would be the obvious question the sales guys would be asking

All those Marines need to be in a singular codex. Y'all wanted extra rules, and you got your wish.

 CragHack wrote:

And 40k... I don't even want to get involved into it, but the whole idea of "this supplement will have rules for Dark Eldar" and "hey, we are also releasing a Dark Eldar codex" with not a single mention about whether Codex will have the supplement's rules included is just a dick move beyond everything.

Um, yeah. That's a good one. By the looks of it, every faction will [strike]get[/strike] need at least 2 books. It's like that for Space Wolves and Dark, and apparently for everyone else too.

Regarding the new Dark Angel codex they mentioned inducting units into the deathwing. Hopefully this means we can have actual deathwing heavy intercessors for those wanting to only use new models. The Space marine heroes 2 terminators fit with primaris size models but there is no model among them with a standard Sgt load out to be able to easily make enbigend terminators.

Those are a few great looking models, like the Slaanesh stuff, LOVE the Chaos warband. Those are some seriously good looking Chaos Warriors. But unfortunately I don´t collect AoS, so I´m left with getting to buy a Vigilus style campaign book before I even know what will be in my new Codex. That´s a dirty money grab and I won´t be getting it, this soured me on the Crusade book too so I´ll skip that one as well.

Those new Van Saar Hoverboard guys just look extremely silly and uninspired at the same time. Generic poses with a miniature that doesn't really have any stand-out features, stuck on a huge comical hoverboard. There are so many serious and more interesting directions they could have gone with for them, even something that was more like actual wings like the old Yeld Spyrer used to have combined with the insect-like theme would have been good. Even turning the hoverboard into a sort of flying exosuit would have been interesting.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
Nice to see all the additional stuff in the background of the preview, as it means the Slaanesh release will actually be pretty substantial and not just a hero and one new kit.

I hope so. Maybe be there will be another kit that makes two different models: Bellydancer-fighter and Mortal Archers, to mimic the Underworlds release.

And then Slaangors. We need those. It'd be fun if they were the "big" minis, mirroring the one from Underwords in that they're kind of like Blight Knights or those need Tree people. Or Wraithguard sized, if you want to put it in the context of 40k. In other words, not just another Beastmen kit.

Yeah....I would love a light infantry kit that could use bows/glaives like the Underworlds band. Slaangors look to be pretty big if those are indeed what are pictured in that screenshot from the video (which it appears is very, very likely). I definitely agree that they need to be bigger to differentiate them from another beastmen kit, and it looks like they will be! I'm pretty excited to see what the full mortal army looks like after we get the whole thing revealed.

Four hoverboards is just too much imo. I can get on board (ha) with one or two, especially if there were something extra added instead of just a ganger on a board (maybe a ganger with a lance, or some other sort of weaponry that necessitates a mobile platform), but four hoverboarders in a gang of less than a dozen people is ott imo.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
There are so many serious and more interesting directions they could have gone with for them, even something that was more like actual wings like the old Yeld Spyrer used to have combined with the insect-like theme would have been good.

Except there already is a (currently lacking a model) Van Saar character with that exact loadout. It's being presumably saved for him, and the Spyrers I'd guess.

Christmas is saved there's officially nothing to buy

Nice models though.

I'd also like to point out what a hilariously cheesy-lametastic name for a planet "Metalica" is.

 Esmer wrote:
I'd also like to point out what a hilariously cheesy-lametastic name for a planet "Metalica" is.

Only if you connect it with the 90's metal band, rather than the Latin.

 Esmer wrote:

 CragHack wrote:

And 40k... I don't even want to get involved into it, but the whole idea of "this supplement will have rules for Dark Eldar" and "hey, we are also releasing a Dark Eldar codex" with not a single mention about whether Codex will have the supplement's rules included is just a dick move beyond everything.

Um, yeah. That's a good one. By the looks of it, every faction will [strike]get[/strike] need at least 2 books. It's like that for Space Wolves and Dark, and apparently for everyone else too.

Well my necrons are just fine with 1

 Esmer wrote:
I'd also like to point out what a hilariously cheesy-lametastic name for a planet "Metalica" is.

It's been around a long time.

It's not unique to GW either. Similar naming conventions exist elsewhere. When Bon Jovina invaded Metallicand (or was it the other way around?), it was a very messy war.

 Esmer wrote:
I'd also like to point out what a hilariously cheesy-lametastic name for a planet "Metalica" is.

Metalica has been a planet in the 40k galaxy for as long as 40k has been a thing.

Just don't go looking for Wazzdakka's base of operations, or the planet where Murderfang was found.

Well I must admit, I am massively disappointed but also unsurprised.

They have released 2 codexes and are already releasing bloody supplements to the game with "extra rules". More bulk to the game, more overpriced books and more extra little rules to consider - at a premium cost.

I swear half the time I think GW prefers the idea of being a book shop rather than a mini manufacturer.

It was often said that books are loss-leaders in wargaming but I am starting to wonder if GW moving printing to china didnt turn them into actual cash-cows seeing how many supplement books we've been seeing. Maybe it's just cheaper and easier than producing new models? No like they spend that much on playtesting any of it...

Man, Van Saar feels like it's deeply fething with the technology lore of 40k to sell models.

Kinda like Primaris!

I don't see anything in the article - did they say on the stream when these two controversial books are due to be released?

And at least we now know it's going to be DE as the first Xenos book of 2021 - that's a starting point.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Well, they started down that train with Marine supplements, getting, say, Space Wolves players to buy two books, instead of one. So why not make everybody buy two books would be the obvious question the sales guys would be asking

All those Marines need to be in a singular codex. Y'all wanted extra rules, and you got your wish.

No, Slayer, what BA/DA/DW/SW players would probably have preferred is what they've had for (in three cases at least) a good 20+ years now, aside from a minor diversion in early 3rd - their own full Codex, not a supplement to the general SM book.

 TalonZahn wrote:
I'm just glad the test model (Sigvald) for the Resurrection of Sanguinius looks good.

Should be an interesting 2021.

They are going to bring back sanguine? That would be a nice plastic set.

I hope there's a fulgrim plastic set. I need a large snake lower torso to try and build a Shaktari for d&d...

Morathi is too slender...

Sf

PoorGravitasHandling wrote:
Man, Van Saar feels like it's deeply fething with the technology lore of 40k to sell models.

Kinda like Primaris!

Not with these. Hoverboards go back to the beginning of 40k (though they looked more like surfboards in RT)
The energy shields, plasma weapons are a bit gratuitous, but that's been true of a LOT of stuff in new necromunda.

Cronch wrote:
It was often said that books are loss-leaders in wargaming but I am starting to wonder if GW moving printing to china didnt turn them into actual cash-cows seeing how many supplement books we've been seeing. Maybe it's just cheaper and easier than producing new models? No like they spend that much on playtesting any of it...

Necron and SM codex were printed in Britain. Whatever reason, they've shifted printing back. (At least temporarily)

Cronch wrote:
It was often said that books are loss-leaders in wargaming but I am starting to wonder if GW moving printing to china didnt turn them into actual cash-cows seeing how many supplement books we've been seeing. Maybe it's just cheaper and easier than producing new models? No like they spend that much on playtesting any of it...

My Marine & Necron codex were printed in the UK (according to the back).

It would be really nice if they could of shown some new Dark Eldar models.

Grotesques are long overdue an update.
Nobody can actually make a squad out of that one old resin/metal model.

Seems to me that the supplement is to tie in with the new "Lt" minis for various factions plus whatever new Marine models come out with it.

Remember that Vigilus-style Specialist Detachments are no longer tournament legal and were not going to be published in the army books.

Would not be shocked if that's what is present in the campaign book.

Absolutely in love with the new Sigvald model. His face wasn't beautiful enough on the old model imo, but this new one is perfection! I hope we get some more male heads that are beautiful rather than butch, this really shows GW are capable of it.

Love the new Slaanesh units, hate the twinsouls heads. I wish they just had normal faces or demonic faces rather than looking like a weird version of those angry sylvaneth (can't remember the name off the top of my head). I'll probably just give them the helmets, or swap them out for daemonette or sisters of slaughter heads.

On the whole the overall look is great and I cant wait to see what the other things in the background are!

Hopefully we'll get to see the new Lelith model soon.

 dan2026 wrote:
It would be really nice if they could of shown some new Dark Eldar models.

Grotesques are long overdue an update.
Nobody can actually make a squad out of that one old resin/metal model.

Better not to expect more than the sc that was　previewed. Codexes don't always bring lots of models. Most are 1 or none.

tneva82 wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
It would be really nice if they could of shown some new Dark Eldar models.

Grotesques are long overdue an update.
Nobody can actually make a squad out of that one old resin/metal model.

Better not to expect more than the sc that was　previewed. Codexes don't always bring lots of models. Most are 1 or none.

Apart from the fact, historically; that is completely untrue...

8th was an exception, of get every codex out the door. Rush, rush! Traditional codex releases are big "event" type affairs with new models galore. AoS still does it this way, 40k did it that way prior to 8th. Nothing says that won't change as much of the groundwork is done.

I think January for the Slaanesh release. From the Collector Coin image we know the next two months are Death Guard and Hedonites - and December is the DG Codex/Models release...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Remember that Vigilus-style Specialist Detachments are no longer tournament legal and were not going to be published in the army books.

Would not be shocked if that's what is present in the campaign book.

I don't think any of the listed factions had vigilus content.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Remember that Vigilus-style Specialist Detachments are no longer tournament legal and were not going to be published in the army books.

Would not be shocked if that's what is present in the campaign book.

I don't think any of the listed factions had vigilus content.

AdMech did. The point in any regards is that they did not say they would not revisit those kinds of things--just that they would not be tournament legal.

 Grimtuff wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
It would be really nice if they could of shown some new Dark Eldar models.

Grotesques are long overdue an update.
Nobody can actually make a squad out of that one old resin/metal model.

Better not to expect more than the sc that was　previewed. Codexes don't always bring lots of models. Most are 1 or none.

Apart from the fact, historically; that is completely untrue...

8th was an exception, of get every codex out the door. Rush, rush! Traditional codex releases are big "event" type affairs with new models galore. AoS still does it this way, 40k did it that way prior to 8th. Nothing says that won't change as much of the groundwork is done.

Well, "traditionally", there was also only 2, maybe 3 Codexes a year. Which is probably still roughly the No. of Codexes they release with a big splash of new kits.

But that's not gonna work for a 2-Codexes-a-month-get-everyone-up-to-speed-release-schedule. As hinted at with the new characters video, there'll probably be a slew of Codexes (Death Guard, Dark Eldar, Orks, AdMech, Sisters specifically) that will likely get a book and something like a Combat Patrol box with a single new mini, etc. to move things along.

Cataphract wrote:
I think January for the Slaanesh release. From the Collector Coin image we know the next two months are Death Guard and Hedonites - and December is the DG Codex/Models release...

Seems likely to me. Only question is whether it's a Broken Realms supplement and/or an actual Battletome release

I'm always a fan of campaign books, so I'm keen to pick up this new campaign book series. Also, I need to get Treebeard!

 Marshal Loss wrote:

Cataphract wrote:
I think January for the Slaanesh release. From the Collector Coin image we know the next two months are Death Guard and Hedonites - and December is the DG Codex/Models release...

Seems likely to me. Only question is whether it's a Broken Realms supplement and/or an actual Battletome release

I'd guess a Broken Realms release, being to Hedonites what Engine War was for the Mechanicus.

tneva82 wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
It would be really nice if they could of shown some new Dark Eldar models.

Grotesques are long overdue an update.
Nobody can actually make a squad out of that one old resin/metal model.

Better not to expect more than the sc that was　previewed. Codexes don't always bring lots of models. Most are 1 or none.

Ah well.

Its Craftworld Eldar that need the big ground up redo like Necrons anyway.
Dark Eldar are in nowhere near as bad place.

 dan2026 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
It would be really nice if they could of shown some new Dark Eldar models.

Grotesques are long overdue an update.
Nobody can actually make a squad out of that one old resin/metal model.

Better not to expect more than the sc that was　previewed. Codexes don't always bring lots of models. Most are 1 or none.

Ah well.

Its Craftworld Eldar that need the big ground up redo like Necrons anyway.
Dark Eldar are in nowhere near as bad place.

Well I woudln't mind plastic grotisques.

 dan2026 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
It would be really nice if they could of shown some new Dark Eldar models.

Grotesques are long overdue an update.
Nobody can actually make a squad out of that one old resin/metal model.

Better not to expect more than the sc that was　previewed. Codexes don't always bring lots of models. Most are 1 or none.

Ah well.

Its Craftworld Eldar that need the big ground up redo like Necrons anyway.
Dark Eldar are in nowhere near as bad place.

I disagree. Eldar got those 3 new models at the end of 7th and some kind of weird webway gate. That’s more than enough updates to last the next 20 years. Elsewhere, there are poor Space Marine players, rocking back and forth, irritable, shaking and with the sweats because they haven’t had a new release in weeks. Thank god GW thought to give them some new rules in White Dwarf before releasing all those new speeders and tank variants or they have never survived. Poor bastards.

Lets talk about the absence of Stormcast.
They must really be in the dog house these days. Cant even remember the last time they got a release.
I mean, god riddance

 Fayric wrote:
Lets talk about the absence of Stormcast.
They must really be in the dog house these days. Cant even remember the last time they got a release.
I mean, god riddance

Sigmarines being treated as 'just another army' is probably one of the better changes they've made to AoS since launch.

DE getting a new codex will be interesting. I think the lack of new *stuff* will be sad, as it essentially leaves you playing the same army for about 10ish years now, but oh well.

Would echo the Day 1 DLC thoughts on Warzone Charadon. PA books to fix/expand factions outside the codex cycle felt like a money grab, but at least served a purpose.

Saying "you can buy this new book for the faction, but btw you also need this other book if you want X stratagems, Y relic, Z warlord traits etc" feels... incredibly egregious.

 Dysartes wrote:
I don't see anything in the article - did they say on the stream when these two controversial books are due to be released?

And at least we now know it's going to be DE as the first Xenos book of 2021 - that's a starting point.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Well, they started down that train with Marine supplements, getting, say, Space Wolves players to buy two books, instead of one. So why not make everybody buy two books would be the obvious question the sales guys would be asking

All those Marines need to be in a singular codex. Y'all wanted extra rules, and you got your wish.

No, Slayer, what BA/DA/DW/SW players would probably have preferred is what they've had for (in three cases at least) a good 20+ years now, aside from a minor diversion in early 3rd - their own full Codex, not a supplement to the general SM book.

A couple extra units never warranted a whole new codex. In your logic we needed separate codices for Kabals, Wych Cults, and Covens.

In reality we know it doesn't need to happen but y'all wished for bloat. You got your wish and I laugh about it to be honest.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Lets talk about the absence of Stormcast.
They must really be in the dog house these days. Cant even remember the last time they got a release.
I mean, god riddance

Sigmarines being treated as 'just another army' is probably one of the better changes they've made to AoS since launch.

It's not just that, its also that Stormcast grew REALLY fast and AoS also has a lot of factions that are perhaps a quarter the size of a typical GW army. With so many armies fragmented GW couldn't have kept up with a storm of stormcast models. Not only would the community have turned on them; but also they'd have simply run out of slots to fit things in. One thing 40K does well at present compared to AoS is that 40K has more unit niches. It's got flying units, super heavies, anti tank; infantry; ranged; close combat; etc... They have a lot of specialist slots. AoS has very few in comparison and a good few of armies don't even have a full roster (eg a lot of armies are missing any form of artillery/war engine units).

So with limited niches you can't add too many before you're falling over yourself; and you can't just add more niches when so many armies don't even support what you've currently got. Just look when GW added aircraft to the game as fixed flying units; every army got new models over time to work within that new area of battle - both air units and anti-air units.



That said I also think GW shifted away from an idea they were clearly playing with of having lots of Stormcast Chapters just like marines. I think someone realised that Marines worked almost by accident and GW ran with it; but its not something they could force on the community to pick up on. So they dropped it and instead we've a wealth of other factions and, I'd say, an honestly more diverse game.

SIGVLAD EXPERIENCE REQUIEM

Seriously, I just can not wait for the Throgg memes.

Also, expect proxies of him with Golden Saints from Saint Seiya.

The Twinsouls are a big hit and miss for me. Some faces look terribad for a Slaanesh army; that one with the tongue out looks like a Nurgling.

The other variant is more appealing. They look like Chaos Stormcasts. Fantasy Slaaneshi Marines=?

The other surprise for me was the House Van Saar. They look just straight out of Infinity. I love them.

Chaos Warband: Khagra is cute as Chaosrealm. I love the kind of women who can kick my ass.

Her sister is ugly. 0/10 wouldn't date.

Dark Eldar and Dark Angels for February, IIRC. Wonder what their Combat Patrols (ComPats)? will look like.

I mean, I just think it’s a pause in Stormcast, there’ll still be loads more, they just have a lot of others that are to come out.
There are still several chambers to open or whatever aren’t there?

Danny76 wrote:
I mean, I just think it’s a pause in Stormcast, there’ll still be loads more, they just have a lot of others that are to come out.
There are still several chambers to open or whatever aren’t there?

And i would expect more with aos 3rd cometh the july. New starter set, new sculps. Or they putting new sculp of liberators there ?-)

I really like the Twinsouls. The disturbing look of them really suits Slaaneshi stuff.

 CMLR wrote:
Chaos Warband: Khagra is cute as Chaosrealm. I love the kind of women who can kick my ass.

Her sister is ugly. 0/10 wouldn't date.

You... you know these are small plastic figures, right? I mean... well, each to their own.

tneva82 wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
I mean, I just think it’s a pause in Stormcast, there’ll still be loads more, they just have a lot of others that are to come out.
There are still several chambers to open or whatever aren’t there?

And i would expect more with aos 3rd cometh the july. New starter set, new sculps. Or they putting new sculp of liberators there ?-)

Please, yes. I know some people will not like this opinion, but the original warrior chamber stuff, especially liberators and judicators need a desperate resculpt. They are horribly bland and undetailed and it'd be a perfect chance to incorporate more of the lady stormcast they've shown in art.

And for the love of god, give them *good* warscrolls this time, 70% of SCE scrolls is just trash.

At the end of the Sigvald video, where it says "Bring beauty to the realms", the font for beauty reminds me of the font used for Beauty and the Beast. It makes me wonder, with the possible slaangors in the background, if there'll be another later on about bringing beasts.

Danny76 wrote:
I mean, I just think it’s a pause in Stormcast, there’ll still be loads more, they just have a lot of others that are to come out.
There are still several chambers to open or whatever aren’t there?

Yeah, Stormcast just are not as prevalent as SM are, so we don't get near as many releases, which is a good thing. I believe there is still the Ruination Chamber and the Logistics chamber left?

I loved all the Slaanesh stuff, though I do kinda wish we'd also got a unit that looked like the unarmoured mortals from Underworlds.

Ashaar wrote:
At the end of the Sigvald video, where it says "Bring beauty to the realms", the font for beauty reminds me of the font used for Beauty and the Beast. It makes me wonder, with the possible slaangors in the background, if there'll be another later on about bringing beasts.

Ah, so I am not the only nutcase that though about that!


But as for Slaangors, I except them being much buffer then compared to regular gors or tzaangors. And maybe some other things.

 The Phazer wrote:
I loved all the Slaanesh stuff, though I do kinda wish we'd also got a unit that looked like the unarmoured mortals from Underworlds.

There is still a pretty good chance we will. The article said this was just a peek, and we saw what looks to be Slaangors, a Huge chariot or something and caster in the background. I wouldn't be suprised if there is a light infantry ala the warband style available too.

One day they'll preview a World Eaters model. One day.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
Chaos Warband: Khagra is cute as Chaosrealm. I love the kind of women who can kick my ass.

Her sister is ugly. 0/10 wouldn't date.

You... you know these are small plastic figures, right? I mean... well, each to their own.

Oh, clever! taking with absolute literality post clearly intended to not being taked literally! never seen one of those before!

 Sasori wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
I loved all the Slaanesh stuff, though I do kinda wish we'd also got a unit that looked like the unarmoured mortals from Underworlds.

There is still a pretty good chance we will. The article said this was just a peek, and we saw what looks to be Slaangors, a Huge chariot or something and caster in the background. I wouldn't be suprised if there is a light infantry ala the warband style available too.

I’m wondering if we’re actually seeing a Slaaneshi Minotaur? Just looks bigger than I’d expect a Beastman to be?

 Sasori wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
I mean, I just think it’s a pause in Stormcast, there’ll still be loads more, they just have a lot of others that are to come out.
There are still several chambers to open or whatever aren’t there?

Yeah, Stormcast just are not as prevalent as SM are, so we don't get near as many releases, which is a good thing. I believe there is still the Ruination Chamber and the Logistics chamber left?

One reason i have started to warmup to aos is because unlike40k one faction doesn't have oppressively one sided releases. So happy stormcast releases are on reasonable level

Now, anyway.

They were quite oppressive for the first year plus.
And they pulled 'and a new chamber opens!' card at least one too many times.

If they roll out AoS 3rd edition without them, that'd be a huge plus.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
I loved all the Slaanesh stuff, though I do kinda wish we'd also got a unit that looked like the unarmoured mortals from Underworlds.

There is still a pretty good chance we will. The article said this was just a peek, and we saw what looks to be Slaangors, a Huge chariot or something and caster in the background. I wouldn't be suprised if there is a light infantry ala the warband style available too.

I’m wondering if we’re actually seeing a Slaaneshi Minotaur? Just looks bigger than I’d expect a Beastman to be?

They do seem a lot larger, but I can't tell if that's just the perspective or not.

All the Slaanesh stuff is glorious!

As far as Slaangors,
they could be minotaur sized.

Still hoping for light infantry (bowmen)
but these warriors are superb!

Voss wrote:
Now, anyway.

They were quite oppressive for the first year plus.
And they pulled 'and a new chamber opens!' card at least one too many times.

If they roll out AoS 3rd edition without them, that'd be a huge plus.

To be fair, there are still two chambers which have yet to be opened, so we'll see some new stuff eventually!

I don't mind the Stormcasts, they are pretty cool kits (especially the recent ones for the most recent chamber), and their place in the setting I like in the lore. But, I am pretty happy seeing whatever wacky stuff comes next. I do wonder when we'll get to a point where we will have too many factions, and when we'll go back and flesh out the existing ones.

Back to 40k, I am really interested to see the Death Guard and Drukhari books, as they will be cool indicators of what we'll expect moving forward. Especially crusade stuff!

tneva82 wrote:
One reason i have started to warmup to aos is because unlike40k one faction doesn't have oppressively one sided releases.

Yeah, if you ignore chaos daemons and slaves to darkness both getting gigantic pile of models since 2017, with just one of the two side games giving StD more releases than most 40K armies got in last decade, never mind what they got in AoS proper. Both armies each comfortably dwarfing SM releases in the same period. But hey, it wouldn't be Dakka without comically wrong beating of dead SM horse at least once per thread page, eh?

 Sasori wrote:


They do seem a lot larger, but I can't tell if that's just the perspective or not.

Indeed. Kinda hope they are Minotaur sized, for reasons.

Yeah, if you ignore chaos daemons and slaves to darkness both getting gigantic pile of models since 2017

they got greater demons, some single characters and one or two kits per faction, and then StD got a bunch of stuff (a lot of it completely unusuable in AoS like all the Warcry warbands). Nowhere near close the three armies' worth of primarines with individual chapter heroes along the way.

Cronch wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
I mean, I just think it’s a pause in Stormcast, there’ll still be loads more, they just have a lot of others that are to come out.
There are still several chambers to open or whatever aren’t there?

And i would expect more with aos 3rd cometh the july. New starter set, new sculps. Or they putting new sculp of liberators there ?-)

Please, yes. I know some people will not like this opinion, but the original warrior chamber stuff, especially liberators and judicators need a desperate resculpt. They are horribly bland and undetailed and it'd be a perfect chance to incorporate more of the lady stormcast they've shown in art.

I mean, sure, I'm not a fan of the Sigmarines to begin with, but can you really, objectively justify a resculpt of those guys over the plastic zombies, saurus warriors, skaven night runners, Chaos marauders, the dozens of metal and resin kits remaining in various ranges, and expanding some of the currently very limited factions with new kits?
That said, I'm sure you will half get your wish in that new figures are almost certainly on the horizon (judging by the lightning/comet arrows in the rumour engine recently), but redoing any of the existing kits surely can't be anywhere near the top of their agenda, and neither should it be. Besides, "undetailed" is probably exactly what they are meant to be anyway, accessible to new painters the same way basic Space Marines are.

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
One reason i have started to warmup to aos is because unlike40k one faction doesn't have oppressively one sided releases.

Yeah, if you ignore chaos daemons and slaves to darkness both getting gigantic pile of models since 2017, with just one of the two side games giving StD more releases than most 40K armies got in last decade, never mind what they got in AoS proper. Both armies each comfortably dwarfing SM releases in the same period. But hey, it wouldn't be Dakka without comically wrong beating of dead SM horse at least once per thread page, eh?

Right. Since　2017. That's 3 years. You would expect lots of models.

Of course　sm got even more plus codexes that keep getting better and better. 8e codex better than anybody else and 9e just powered up.

But sure. Stick your head to sand. Typical marine white knight. Ignore that marines got more releases than daemons. White knights never make sense.

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
One reason i have started to warmup to aos is because unlike40k one faction doesn't have oppressively one sided releases.

Yeah, if you ignore chaos daemons and slaves to darkness both getting gigantic pile of models since 2017, with just one of the two side games giving StD more releases than most 40K armies got in last decade, never mind what they got in AoS proper. Both armies each comfortably dwarfing SM releases in the same period. But hey, it wouldn't be Dakka without comically wrong beating of dead SM horse at least once per thread page, eh?

Wait what? I have no problems with marines and marine release, but as a Slaves to Darkness player, you clearly don’t know what you are talking about. Indomitus alone had 9 new marine units not to count the other related marine releases (gun turret, hover predator, Mario kart, heavy intercessors, and bunker)- 14 units total- not even including the multiparty kits on monopods stuff). That’s for just the Indomitus era releases and doesn’t count Vigilus Marines or the launch of the Primaris line in 2017. Slaves got 8 Warcry bands (which are specifically for another game with an after thought to AoS), three monsters in that same scenario, and a start collecting with mono build resculpts of Warriors and Knights and 1 new hero unit. That is a total of 14 kits (11 for another game) compared to 14 kits for JUST the Indomitus release- if you don’t count multipart kits of previous monopose stuff.

I don’t follow Daemons as closely but since 2017 Tzeentch had what? 4 Kits? Khorne has had nothing that I recall, and I think Nurgle got 3 or 4?

So maybe if you combine all the Chaos factions they would come close to the Primaris releases.

That’s not close to comically wrong.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Sasori wrote:


They do seem a lot larger, but I can't tell if that's just the perspective or not.

Indeed. Kinda hope they are Minotaur sized, for reasons.

Would be a nice touch with the Luminet aelves having their weird cow fetish

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
One reason i have started to warmup to aos is because unlike40k one faction doesn't have oppressively one sided releases.

Yeah, if you ignore chaos daemons and slaves to darkness both getting gigantic pile of models since 2017, with just one of the two side games giving StD more releases than most 40K armies got in last decade, never mind what they got in AoS proper. Both armies each comfortably dwarfing SM releases in the same period. But hey, it wouldn't be Dakka without comically wrong beating of dead SM horse at least once per thread page, eh?

Chaos Demons no longer exists and is now 4 totally separate armies in AoS.

As for the last 3 years we've had several brand new armies and a spread of models being released for many - some like Skaven only got one new model. Slaves to Darkness have had a lot through Warcry, but their actual core models are very old. The Chaos Warriors and Knights got a half way update with new pushfit options in the getting started set, but the original models are still sold as individual packs. The Marauders are ancient and ugly models which is odd because the Warcrywarbans which fit the same niche, are amazing and should have replaced them, but GW has kept them just a cut below.

In general AoS has three army types. Small armies that need lots of new models; big armies that need lots of updates (skaven, seraphon) to bring models into modern plastics; and armies that are well ranged like Stormcast and Nighthaunt (both of which were the focus starter armies for the 2.0 edition).

AoS gets a decent spread of releases since 2.0 which is the best way to view AoS today since the period of time between launch and 2.0 was a mess of different policies, focuses, ideas and managers.

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
One reason i have started to warmup to aos is because unlike40k one faction doesn't have oppressively one sided releases.

Yeah, if you ignore chaos daemons and slaves to darkness both getting gigantic pile of models since 2017, with just one of the two side games giving StD more releases than most 40K armies got in last decade, never mind what they got in AoS proper. Both armies each comfortably dwarfing SM releases in the same period. But hey, it wouldn't be Dakka without comically wrong beating of dead SM horse at least once per thread page, eh?

Yeah AoS gives Chaos a lot of releases, but it also gives every other faction plenty of them. 1.0 was stuffed to the brim with Order armies (Sigmarines, Fyreslayers, turning Witch Elves into basically a new army, Idoneth). Death was flagging behind and there was Nighthaunt and Ossiarchs. Now it's only really Destruction who're in a sore spot for releases and it's apparent they're trying to plug that gap with things like the Sons.

Slaves to Darkness only really got their Start Collecting. The War Cry warbands, despite GW trying to push them, are very obviously meant for... well, War Cry and were awkwardly stapled onto StD the same way Underworlds warbands are.

After 1.0 you never really hear anyone complain about Sigmarines anymore, or really any one faction being complained about their releases - save maybe Destruction, but most of those people accept they're going to get their time in the sun eventually. There's a good precedent as to why people complain about Marines and in AoS they haven't been given a reason to for Sigmarines anymore, so people don't.

 Irbis wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
One reason i have started to warmup to aos is because unlike40k one faction doesn't have oppressively one sided releases.

Yeah, if you ignore chaos daemons and slaves to darkness both getting gigantic pile of models since 2017, with just one of the two side games giving StD more releases than most 40K armies got in last decade, never mind what they got in AoS proper. Both armies each comfortably dwarfing SM releases in the same period. But hey, it wouldn't be Dakka without comically wrong beating of dead SM horse at least once per thread page, eh?

So you are saying that 5 different factions along with a non-AoS game getting more releases combined than one army in 40k in a decade is somehow too much? What type of favorites are we playing here?

It also shows you don't really know Age of Sigmar if you think that Chaos Daemons are one faction like in Warhammer 40.000. HoS, BoK, DoT, and MoN are all different factions that play very differently from each other.

After seeing the new Sigvald's introduction video I cannot think of him as something else than a 90ies Anime/JRPG villain. The music is so totally Final Fantasy boss fight.

 Esmer wrote:
After seeing the new Sigvald's introduction video I cannot think of him as something else than a 90ies Anime/JRPG villain. The music is so totally Final Fantasy boss fight.

He looks a lot like the Warrior of Light, especially the FFXIV incarnation.

Am I the only one thinking that the voice over in that video sounds like Tom Baker?

 Overread wrote:
Am I the only one thinking that the voice over in that video sounds like Tom Baker?

Considering that Black Library used David Tennant and Billie Piper, it wouldn't surprise me.

If he isn't a Final Fantasy boss in his second form since the party defeated his warmup version, he's Zhang He from Dynasty Warriors.

All his talk of beauty and perfection... someone get him some claws to strap on his arms!

GW sure struggles to do faces well. Sigvald at least isn't quite as constipated as 90% of their releases are, though he's certainly not as pretty as he's supposed to be. But those Slaaneshi warriors...ooph, they're giving off a definite derpy Mutilators vibe.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Esmer wrote:
After seeing the new Sigvald's introduction video I cannot think of him as something else than a 90ies Anime/JRPG villain. The music is so totally Final Fantasy boss fight.

He looks a lot like the Warrior of Light, especially the FFXIV incarnation.

Thats it! Since you put it that way, hes a must buy!

 Overread wrote:

In general AoS has three army types. Small armies that need lots of new models; big armies that need lots of updates (skaven, seraphon) to bring models into modern plastics; and armies that are well ranged like Stormcast and Nighthaunt (both of which were the focus starter armies for the 2.0 edition).

AoS gets a decent spread of releases since 2.0 which is the best way to view AoS today since the period of time between launch and 2.0 was a mess of different policies, focuses, ideas and managers.

Yeah this certainly seems to be the case as a new AoS player. So many factions feel either totally unfinished or totally out of date. But it is a great blessing that the game isn't as dominated by a single faction as 40k is.

yukishiro1 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

In general AoS has three army types. Small armies that need lots of new models; big armies that need lots of updates (skaven, seraphon) to bring models into modern plastics; and armies that are well ranged like Stormcast and Nighthaunt (both of which were the focus starter armies for the 2.0 edition).

AoS gets a decent spread of releases since 2.0 which is the best way to view AoS today since the period of time between launch and 2.0 was a mess of different policies, focuses, ideas and managers.

Yeah this certainly seems to be the case as a new AoS player. So many factions feel either totally unfinished or totally out of date. But it is a great blessing that the game isn't as dominated by a single faction as 40k is.

Yep. The bonuses are that the small armies do work well on the tabletop - heck Daughters of Khaine were very powerful and remain decent. So the small armies certainly work. Part of it is because AoS has far fewer niches for units, which works in its favour right now for those smaller armies. Of course as time passes I'd expect to see more niches appear. We might well see things like Cavalry become its own thing instead of what it is now, which is basically a faster troop choice.


The lore from BL is also very different. Whilst Stormcast do feature in a lot of stories, there are many many stories about and written from the perspective of the other races.