So far as a defective extractor sure, it's possible. Prior to this I didn't examine the extractor very carefully other than a quick look when cleaning, which is anther lesson learned.
Odd, I bought A LOT of tula ammo after I bought my ruger mini 30. Other than some failure to fire (before I put in a stronger spring) there really haven't been any issues or noticeable wear in my ejector. I've put about 2000 rounds out of it now.
The only inexpensive 7.62 ammo I can find local for my AK is TulAmmo. Is there a better option? Academy Sports sells Fiocchi brass case 7.62, but it's .55/round compared to .27/round for TulAmmo.
Steel 7.62x39 for an AK is 100% fine, thats what they were intentionally designed around using. The only reason to use brass in an AK really is if you are reloading for fun or are at a range that does not allow steel ammo.
The extractor in question, with my Blackout's bolt for reference.
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So, it's a little of column A, a little of column B - I think the break was caused by steel cased ammo because it's worn, not broken. Also note it's broken in another place as well.
However, it's a weird design, not a milspec extractor I don't think. The shell grabby part was only ever a hook, vs how a standard extractor has a shell grabby part that is the entire width of the extractor - it's got like 50% less surface area out of the gate. So, steel cases broke a part, but it was kind of a gakky part.
Brian2112 wrote: The only inexpensive 7.62 ammo I can find local for my AK is TulAmmo. Is there a better option?
Nah. I've probably put 6,000 rounds of Tulammo through my AK and no issues at all, except when I ordered a box of soft points once by accident. My mags don't like to feed soft points.
Sheesh, that extractor has not enjoyed life , the fact that it is broken in multiple places complicates the question as to what exactly went wrong, but it could be any one of a number of things. Just glad it didnt fail at a really critical moment.
What brand extractor was that? Looks like the case was stuck, then when the extractor tried to do its job, it snapped off in two places: the lug for the extractor pin and the front hook.
This is actually common for steel cased ammo in ARs. When shooting steel cased, it's recommended that you replace the extractor around the 4500rd mark. The steel case eats into the extractor hook, which doesnt have alot of material on it in the first place. Steel case also wears out the barrel quicker - but barrels are made to be replaceable on the AR, so there's that.
Slightly off topic here, but it looks like Pennsylvania might be making gun owners a protected class of citizen in their state. It would mean employers can't discriminate against you when they hire you, promote you, position you, give you a raise, or fire you. Basically the same protections as race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
cuda1179 wrote: Slightly off topic here, but it looks like Pennsylvania might be making gun owners a protected class of citizen in their state. It would mean employers can't discriminate against you when they hire you, promote you, position you, give you a raise, or fire you. Basically the same protections as race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
Interesting.
why would you not hire someone because they own a gun.
what does firearms ownership do that effects how you may perform in most jobs...
cuda1179 wrote: Slightly off topic here, but it looks like Pennsylvania might be making gun owners a protected class of citizen in their state. It would mean employers can't discriminate against you when they hire you, promote you, position you, give you a raise, or fire you. Basically the same protections as race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
Interesting.
why would you not hire someone because they own a gun.
what does firearms ownership do that effects how you may perform in most jobs...
Oddly enough I've heard this from more than one employer that didn't know I owned firearms. Apparently working with someone that owned one made them feel "unsafe".
cuda1179 wrote: Slightly off topic here, but it looks like Pennsylvania might be making gun owners a protected class of citizen in their state. It would mean employers can't discriminate against you when they hire you, promote you, position you, give you a raise, or fire you. Basically the same protections as race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.
Interesting.
why would you not hire someone because they own a gun.
what does firearms ownership do that effects how you may perform in most jobs...
Oddly enough I've heard this from more than one employer that didn't know I owned firearms. Apparently working with someone that owned one made them feel "unsafe".
Ok... not with standing that no one with any serious crimes can own a legal fire arm, anyone who has a concealed carry often has to pass a class and checks, and every gun purchase must be checked against multiple data bases...
Slinky wrote: Off for my club's Martini Henry competition tomorrow, including the ever-popular volley shoot on the word of command
I've always wanted to try the Mad Minute, but I tend to skin my left thumb if I'm not being careful with a bolt action rifle (I use my right hand to cycle the bolt, keeping my trigger hand in place, you shoot faster, but it hurts alot if you aren't careful). Yay for being a leftie!
There is a local tradition in the neighboring town that I'm glad I DON'T attend.
It's a competition involving target shooting and binge drinking. Get wasted, see if you can still hit the target. This is a town sponsored event mind you. The winner has the dubious honor of catering next year's event.
In all seriousness, how have there been no injuries? My biological father was a drunk, and liked to shoot. He shot himself in the leg one time, and promptly quit shooting .
cuda1179 wrote: There is a local tradition in the neighboring town that I'm glad I DON'T attend.
It's a competition involving target shooting and binge drinking. Get wasted, see if you can still hit the target. This is a town sponsored event mind you. The winner has the dubious honor of catering next year's event.
Why would anyone think this is a good idea?
Glad you're not getting entangled in that sort of madness
cuda1179 wrote: There is a local tradition in the neighboring town that I'm glad I DON'T attend.
It's a competition involving target shooting and binge drinking. Get wasted, see if you can still hit the target. This is a town sponsored event mind you. The winner has the dubious honor of catering next year's event.
Yeah, that's a whole lotta "NO!!" right there. As an RSO, Id have a stroke at that event.
I've never been there, but I somehow hope that this involves the rifle being tethered to a bench in a manner where it is physically impossible to shoot yourself or others.
One of the shooting ranges in my city has a bar. They say they have a system that prevents people who drank from shooting, but there is a reason I don't frequent that range.
Frazzled wrote: Yesterday I stumbled into SO'ing a squad of newbs in IDPA even though I am not an SO and no one got shot, especially me!!!
Always a plus
On another note, I happened to luck into this guy for free. Winchester 1894 NRA Centennial Musket. Not in the greatest shape, it's got some rust spots on the tang and a couple tiny rust blips on the receiver, and the side of the receiver was drilled for a rear sight, so it's collectible factor is basically nil, but for a fun (and free) range toy it's perfectly functional.
A half completed AR-15 SBR project that will eventually look something like this but is waiting on a tax stamp and a whole lot of parts (some of which are requisite on said tax stamp).
What are your thoughts on de-milled wall-hangers? I have the option to purchase a very good condition (and totally complete) bazooka. Obviously it is nonfunctional. Silly man-toy, or cool nostalgia?
cuda1179 wrote: What are your thoughts on de-milled wall-hangers? I have the option to purchase a very good condition (and totally complete) bazooka. Obviously it is nonfunctional. Silly man-toy, or cool nostalgia?
Go for it, I almost went in on a demilled RPG7
Things can be both silly mantoys and cool nostalgia, nothing wrong with either as long as you acknowledge and accept that for what it is.
cuda1179 wrote: What are your thoughts on de-milled wall-hangers? I have the option to purchase a very good condition (and totally complete) bazooka. Obviously it is nonfunctional. Silly man-toy, or cool nostalgia?
I disagree sir. I almost bought one last month, but put it back.
And now they might be banning the import of Molot/Vepr rifles, which means the prices will skyrocket (true or not, you know how gun rumors work).
Well, Molot went bankrupt and the only company with the $$ to buy it is Kalashnikov. Kalashnikov is on the list of banned imports which means Vepr's will inherit the ban. The import ban is a holdover from the previous administration's sanctions against Russia's illegal annexation of the Crimea from the Ukraine.
But yeah, if you want one (do not want - personal choice, the guns are great just not for me) better get it quick!
Yeah, a weird state of affairs. Id picked it up Sunday because it was the model that had the folding stock that you could make functional after making it 922r compliant and was at a good price for that version, and then the treasury departments reclassification hit while it was en route to the FFL.
That said, the thing weighs more than any other shotgun Ive held and is on par with my milled receiver AK. It feels monster solid and the safety is ludicrously tight. One could probably beat a pachyderm to death with it and not break a thing. The trigger curiously is the best of any AK I've ever tried, its a little gritty but breaks very clean and with very little pressure. The mag release is weird, operating the catch and pulling a mag out with my right hand works just fine, requires some intent but works, however that same manipulation from the left hand (while retaining the fire control with the right hand) is much more difficult, not sure why, its not like there is a mechanical difference, but I think the angle at which you pull the mag out matters a lot.
I love the AK platform. I'm about to buy all the parts needed to finish my last stripped receiver that's been laying around the house for two years. Then I need to finish the stripped ar receiver I keep forgetting I have sitting in my safe...
The Four Rule are there for a reason;
- All guns are always loaded.
- Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
- Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
- Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
Ouze wrote: I think it's completely reasonable to think a book will stop as .50AE.
Saw a deal that I'm very intrigued about. It's a Cheetah Ch12HF. Basically this is a renaming of the DDI 12.
It's a 12 gauge semi-auto with detachable box magazine based loosely on parts of a Saiga, AK47, and AR15. It uses Saiga compatible magazines and foregrips. AK pistol Grips, and AR stocks. It's receiver is very AK-like, although it has and AR styled safety selector. Threaded barrel.
Deal I found comes with 4 SGM 10-round mags, factory 5 round mag, SGM tactical fore grip, and and SGM muzzle brake. $599, free shipping.
Reviews on this weapon look good, and I'm tempted.
cuda1179 wrote: Saw a deal that I'm very intrigued about. It's a Cheetah Ch12HF. Basically this is a renaming of the DDI 12.
It's a 12 gauge semi-auto with detachable box magazine based loosely on parts of a Saiga, AK47, and AR15. It uses Saiga compatible magazines and foregrips. AK pistol Grips, and AR stocks. It's receiver is very AK-like, although it has and AR styled safety selector. Threaded barrel.
Deal I found comes with 4 SGM 10-round mags, factory 5 round mag, SGM tactical fore grip, and and SGM muzzle brake. $599, free shipping.
Reviews on this weapon look good, and I'm tempted.
Wrong. The genes have already been passed on, the young lady is pregnant with his kid.
Let us hope the genes in question fare better then...
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cuda1179 wrote: Saw a deal that I'm very intrigued about. It's a Cheetah Ch12HF. Basically this is a renaming of the DDI 12.
It's a 12 gauge semi-auto with detachable box magazine based loosely on parts of a Saiga, AK47, and AR15. It uses Saiga compatible magazines and foregrips. AK pistol Grips, and AR stocks. It's receiver is very AK-like, although it has and AR styled safety selector. Threaded barrel.
Deal I found comes with 4 SGM 10-round mags, factory 5 round mag, SGM tactical fore grip, and and SGM muzzle brake. $599, free shipping.
Reviews on this weapon look good, and I'm tempted.
I havent heard anything on these. I know some DDI shotguns developed something of a poor reputation, but they made/imported several different types so I dont remember which ones. If it's a decently built Saiga clone it'll probably be just fine, though may require a bit of work to get functional with a very wide array of shells.
cuda1179 wrote: What are your thoughts on de-milled wall-hangers? I have the option to purchase a very good condition (and totally complete) bazooka. Obviously it is nonfunctional. Silly man-toy, or cool nostalgia?
Am I the only one who cries a little when they demill a weapon? I mean, have you seen what they do to a tank in EU when it gets demilled? It's a sacrilege...
Quick questions for you american friends: is a non american allowed to practice shooting in a stand /allowed to buy/own a gun in the USA ?
Or is it a State by State regulation ?
I'm in the French Army, may this be a problem for all things related to guns ?
Thanks !
Can shoot in states that permit ownership easily (aka certain states you will have difficulty finding them available for rent or may require some sort of certificate). To own, I don't know how that works.
Note Alabama and then Colorado will be the least restrictive.
godardc wrote: Quick questions for you american friends: is a non american allowed to practice shooting in a stand /allowed to buy/own a gun in the USA ?
Or is it a State by State regulation ?
I'm in the French Army, may this be a problem for all things related to guns ?
Thanks !
If coming in as a tourist/student/eyc you are allowed to shoot a gun in the US, but basically the legal owner needs to be there close by, like you can shoot your American friend's gun if they are in your immediate presence (this gets somewhat murky with the definition of "possession", if they're right next to you, no problem, if the take off for half an hour to go drive somewhere and come back, that may get someone in trouble). Gun tourist places will typically have an employee on the lane the whole time with you in arms reach if you try out one of those places.
If you obtain a hunting license or similar permit (usually done at the state level, requirements may vary here) you can rent a gun and take it out hunting or whatnot. You can bring your own as well under such circumstances but this requires filling out some paperwork and getting cleared first.
You can buy one if you are a legal resident, or if a noninmigrant resident who buys from a FFL (licensed shop) that arranges to have the weapon directly exported (so you never take possession in the US).
Being in the French Army shouldn't pose any problems as far as I'm aware.
cuda1179 wrote: What are your thoughts on de-milled wall-hangers? I have the option to purchase a very good condition (and totally complete) bazooka. Obviously it is nonfunctional. Silly man-toy, or cool nostalgia?
Am I the only one who cries a little when they demill a weapon? I mean, have you seen what they do to a tank in EU when it gets demilled? It's a sacrilege...
it does hurt...but often these things would otherwise be entirely destroyed and there's no other way to own them in many cases :(
Vaktathi wrote: it does hurt...but often these things would otherwise be entirely destroyed and there's no other way to own them in many cases :(
There are plenty of ways to own them. You just have to have the right permits.
And many countries entirely destroy them and then sell them as 'demilled'. To get German tanks anymore that are unmolested you have to buy them from third parties (Amsterdam and Czechoslovakia in general can be pretty good for unmolested armor). Otherwise it isn't even tank shaped, as all armor on the vehicle must be rendered utterly useless. Usually this means that every two feet there's' a two foot hole cut in the vehicle.
godardc wrote: Quick questions for you american friends: is a non american allowed to practice shooting in a stand /allowed to buy/own a gun in the USA ?
Or is it a State by State regulation ?
I'm in the French Army, may this be a problem for all things related to guns ?
Thanks !
Federal law at 18 U.S.C. § 922 bans the sale of firearms or ammunition to aliens except for permanent residents, which would rule out any foreign tourist being able to purchase guns from a licensed dealer. Due to constitutional restrictions the federal ban is only applicable if the firearm or ammunition is transported across state lines. But state law does not carry such a restriction, and I am not aware of any state which does not also ban the sale of firearms or ammunition to non-resident aliens. The ATF provides a factsheet for Nonimmigrant Aliens Purchasing Firearms and Ammunition in the United States.
I'd imagine, though, if you have friends in America, they'd be willing to buy the weapon (if you provided the money) and then you could shoot it while you're visiting them. You'd probably want to also do stuff like buying a gun-safe or lock for it, though.
Then again, I'm not sure if there's rules against that.
Anvildude wrote: I'd imagine, though, if you have friends in America, they'd be willing to buy the weapon (if you provided the money) and then you could shoot it while you're visiting them. You'd probably want to also do stuff like buying a gun-safe or lock for it, though.
Then again, I'm not sure if there's rules against that.
That could be considered a straw purchase, which is a felony.
I don't think anything would prevent you from going to a gun range and shooting other people's firearms, as long as they're with you.
I definitely would NOT give someone money to buy a gun so you could shoot it.
Anvildude wrote: I'd imagine, though, if you have friends in America, they'd be willing to buy the weapon (if you provided the money) and then you could shoot it while you're visiting them. You'd probably want to also do stuff like buying a gun-safe or lock for it, though.
Then again, I'm not sure if there's rules against that.
I do not recommend this. I had two friends do this for one another. Let's say things went bad when one friend used the other friends weapon to attempt suicide and blew his cheating wife's hand off when she tried to take the gun off him.
Yeeeahhh... Figured there might be some legal ramifications. Never heard of a "Straw Purchase" though. Makes sense that there's rules about that, though.
A straw purchase is where you buy a gun allegedly for yourself, but it's actually for another person. Usually in the context of a criminal getting someone to buy a gun for him, but it would apply to anybody buying a gun for someone not legally allowed to purchase one.
Though not highly likely, Straw Purchases can carry massive fines and up to 10 years in jail. It's best not to go that route.
There are many ranges that rent fire arms so if you're just looking to do a little shooting in the US then look up rental ranges in the area. Varies state to state though.
Sig Sauer keeps trying to steal my money... Sig P229 ASE TALO. I love the P229-226 Stainless Elites but prefer the feel of the alloy frame, this solves that problem.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I sold the gas block/front sight off of my Ruger AR-556, and bought a Faxon 18” “gunner” profile barrel with a rifle-length gas port.
I don't know much of anything about building ARs. I'd like to put together something that's a decent target rifle and varmint rifle, but still easy to carry around and shoot off-hand. Not a heavy benchrest rifle.
A guy on another forum recommended the MFT stock as an adjustable stock that still locks up pretty solid. I've heard good things about the Midwest handguard a bunch of places.
My Ruger was set up for a carbine length barrel and gas system. Should I go ahead and buy a new buffer spring for a rifle-length system? (Or is it a buffer weight? Or both?) Or should I wait and see how it performs before buying one?
Both the stock and the handguard are good to go. I know several people who use them and like them a lot. You should not need to do anything with the buffer. You only need to change it out if you are making it an SBR and if you are suppressing it.
cuda1179 wrote:What are your thoughts on de-milled wall-hangers? I have the option to purchase a very good condition (and totally complete) bazooka. Obviously it is nonfunctional. Silly man-toy, or cool nostalgia?
Buy them, they're too cool to leave languishing around. Dust collector be damned!
BaronIveagh wrote:
Am I the only one who cries a little when they demill a weapon? I mean, have you seen what they do to a tank in EU when it gets demilled? It's a sacrilege...
As someone who has helped disassemble and pass along receivers destined to be ATF'd out of existence, the pain is real.
The last batch of weapons I helped on their way were two M1917 Marlin "Potato Diggers" (both with tripods, both of which were the training/Aircraft models) , and two Lewis Guns (a Mark VI and an M1917, both of which were US Navy marked and would've absolutely been USMC issue ). All four of these weapons were found under the stage of a local American Legion hall and were missing their firing pins (all were chambered in 30.06), all four were in 80%+ condition and all four would've been excellent candidates for ATF amnesty (if they'd ever actually use it more than having papers from prior to 1968). That was about $80,000 in machine guns that dropped to about $20,000-$15,000 in parts.
IMO, the 1968 NFA solves absolutely nothing with regards to Class III weapons, nobody with any kind of means is going to commit crimes with weapons like I just mentioned, they're impractical as hell to use in a crime to begin with and also exceedingly difficult to find on the open market. The Lewis gun is a complex and finicky weapon and the Potato Digger weighs roughly 30 lbs without the tripod and ammo box. You'd have to be a moron to want to use one of these in a crime.
As someone who has helped disassemble and pass along receivers destined to be ATF'd out of existence, the pain is real.
You have to watch those ATF guys, they'll lie to get your artillery. We've had a few cases where 'antique' artillery pieces had to be saved from these gaks who came onto the Rez with New York warrants. (New York warrants are, generally speaking, not worth the paper around here) but, like the DEA before them they came, threw their weight around, and ended up in jail themselves, having to return the artillery.
As someone who has helped disassemble and pass along receivers destined to be ATF'd out of existence, the pain is real.
You have to watch those ATF guys, they'll lie to get your artillery. We've had a few cases where 'antique' artillery pieces had to be saved from these gaks who came onto the Rez with New York warrants. (New York warrants are, generally speaking, not worth the paper around here) but, like the DEA before them they came, threw their weight around, and ended up in jail themselves, having to return the artillery.
Oh yeah, Ruby Ridge didn't happen by accident.
Thankfully our local guy is quite professional, fill out the papers and surrender the receivers, everyone is happy.
Republican Gov. Greg Abbott signed into law House Bill 1935, which allows any weapon with a blade longer than 5.5 inches to be carried in public. That would allow swords, daggers, machetes, stilettos, long knives – including the Bowie knife – and spears to be carried in public.
However, the blades won't be allowed in schools, churches, hospitals and establishments that rake in over 51% of their revenue through the sale of alcoholic beverages. Private businesses also have the freedom to prohibit such blades from their premises.
Those under the age of 18 will also be prohibited from carrying blades longer than 5.5 inches if they're not under parental supervision.
Mike Clark of Collectors Firearms told KHOU that he didn't think there would be many people carrying those lengthy blades in public.
"They’re cumbersome," Clark said. "You don't want to walk around with one of those every day. But if you want to, it's your right."
Clark mentioned that most knives are carried for "hunting and fishing" but some are carried for the purpose of self defense.
The author of the bill, Republican Rep. John Frullo, said in May, "It's not making criminals out of people who have no intention of creating some type of criminal act."
..so you could now legally bring a knife to a gun fight !
...... err... duelling is still illegal in Texas/states right ?
Republican Gov. Greg Abbott signed into law House Bill 1935, which allows any weapon with a blade longer than 5.5 inches to be carried in public. That would allow swords, daggers, machetes, stilettos, long knives – including the Bowie knife – and spears to be carried in public.
However, the blades won't be allowed in schools, churches, hospitals and establishments that rake in over 51% of their revenue through the sale of alcoholic beverages. Private businesses also have the freedom to prohibit such blades from their premises.
Those under the age of 18 will also be prohibited from carrying blades longer than 5.5 inches if they're not under parental supervision.
Mike Clark of Collectors Firearms told KHOU that he didn't think there would be many people carrying those lengthy blades in public.
"They’re cumbersome," Clark said. "You don't want to walk around with one of those every day. But if you want to, it's your right."
Clark mentioned that most knives are carried for "hunting and fishing" but some are carried for the purpose of self defense.
The author of the bill, Republican Rep. John Frullo, said in May, "It's not making criminals out of people who have no intention of creating some type of criminal act."
..so you could now legally bring a knife to a gun fight !
...... err... duelling is still illegal in Texas/states right ?
1. Ixnay on the politicsey...
2. Wait duelling is illegal?
3. Also, remember, in Texas if you accidentally run into the knife your wife was holding 13 or 14 times, well thats your fault.
4. Saw someone have a live fire demonstration of Glock leg at a competition Sunday, or a demonstration on how not to holster...
A fox started hanging around so I slept out where I could hear my birds. The ducks woke me up, and I managed to blast him with my shotgun.
I had the shotgun and rifle both there, but it's tricky to choose because there are certain angles that are not safe to shoot a rifle, but at the same time it's possible to get beyond the effective range of the shotgun. I've almost talked myself into tracking down a Savage 24 combination gun.
One of the funniest things I've ever seen was someone shoot a Coyote with a 12 tracer slug. I really don't take pleasure in seeing animals die, but just being able to see the round as it hit was pretty cool.
I forgot to mention that last night I thought to myself "I should put a long gun in my car in case I see the fox when coming up the driveway after I get home from work." So I grab a shotgun and a handful of shells and head out the door to put it in my car. As soon as I take a step out the fox runs by me about fifteen feet away and I'm standing there with an unloaded shotgun in one hand and my shells in the other.
I definitely don't enjoy killing animals. It can sometimes be the only practical and expedient thing to do, unfortunately. The only animal I was happy to kill was a fox that killed my favorite chicken (and half a dozen other birds) last fall. I know the fox was only doing what was natural and trying to survive, so I shouldn't be angry with it, but at the the same time the murdered Half-A-Hen!
While I never saw the appeal of hunting varmints, events have unfolded such that I am sorely, sorely tempted to spend an afternoon sitting in my yard with my .22 pistol so I can blast whatever it is that is constantly digging in my garden.
Ouze wrote: While I never saw the appeal of hunting varmints, events have unfolded such that I am sorely, sorely tempted to spend an afternoon sitting in my yard with my .22 pistol so I can blast whatever it is that is constantly digging in my garden.
As you have found out. Its largely due to massive annoyance.
If you can find some cathartic enjoyment while dealing with a nuisance that's what we call a "win-win" situation.
Slapped the factory made railed handguard on there with a VFG, got some US made 10 shell mags and a 12 capacity mag...but the 12 looks really goofy. The US made ones don't feel anywhere near as reliable as the original Molot magazines, but I haven't been able to really test them much to have any confidence in that statement and they were $25 each. Apparently there are US made steel mags but they are apparently not going to have new stock available for months, and they're $65. Molot magazines have, of course, run straight into the ludicrous realm of pricing with GB trying to get $125-$200 for 8 and 10 capacity Molot factory-made mags. Bending out the safety ever so slightly made it work buttery smooth, allowing you to very naturally slide the safety off with a knuckle movement while shouldering it, but it was near impossible to move before. The bolt release is still ridiculously tight and barely functional, though I know that it'll stay no matter how hard it gets dropped
Next plan is to slap a red dot and some sort of muzzle device on there. Some of the common muzzle devices for these things start to look absurd, apparently the popular competition one for this guy is, no joke, a triple baffle muzzle brake from Russia. I don't think I can quite bring myself to go that route.
Vaktathi,
I bit the bullet and purchased that DDI-12 shotgun I mentioned earlier, and it looks like I will be making some of the decisions you are facing. For super quick follow-up shots a muzzle brake is great, but which to choose?
I know from experience that Witt Machine muzzle brakes are wonderful. About a 65% decrease in recoil. I put one on a pistol grip 12 gauge and I can comfortably one-hand fire it. They can look goofy though. Not quite as bad as that 3-baffle you linked to, but still a tad goofy.
Ouze wrote:I like the cheek rest. My AK originally came with a wire stock, and I abandoned it because it had no cheek rest at all.
Yeah those wire stocks suck, never understood why places like Germany and Poland were particularly enamored with them (cost I guess?)
cuda1179 wrote:Vaktathi,
I bit the bullet and purchased that DDI-12 shotgun I mentioned earlier,
Very cool
and it looks like I will be making some of the decisions you are facing. For super quick follow-up shots a muzzle brake is great, but which to choose?
I know from experience that Witt Machine muzzle brakes are wonderful. About a 65% decrease in recoil. I put one on a pistol grip 12 gauge and I can comfortably one-hand fire it. They can look goofy though. Not quite as bad as that 3-baffle you linked to, but still a tad goofy.
and it looks like I will be making some of the decisions you are facing. For super quick follow-up shots a muzzle brake is great, but which to choose?
I know from experience that Witt Machine muzzle brakes are wonderful. About a 65% decrease in recoil. I put one on a pistol grip 12 gauge and I can comfortably one-hand fire it. They can look goofy though. Not quite as bad as that 3-baffle you linked to, but still a tad goofy.
There is a direct link to their threaded muzzle brakes. Their website is a little confusing getting to that particular option. Although the brakes start out at $89, they have several sales throughout the year for 25% off. I'd honestly suggest waiting till they have one. They tend to have them on Veterans day, Memorial Day, 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Valentine's Day.
Looks like someone is making a Bullpup kit that is affordable, and will make a Hi-point not look fugly. The knuckle guard is removable and they are likely going to be making a double stack high capacity magazine for it.
That looks neat, and would be cool if you already own a high point, I can see the draw, but if you don't, you can get a Beretta CX4 for less than the total package price of the HP carbine and bullpup kit. I like the look though for sure.
I would 100% buy one of these bullpups at that price point.
I get the Hi-point hate, because they really are ugly, but I also really appreciate the company's ethos of "everyone should be able to defend themselves, even if they don't have a lot of money". Besides, ugly as they are, they are pretty well built - Demo Ranch tried to kill one and failed, even after shooting the slide.
I...I accidentally spent 4 hours and $160 worth of ammo at the range today.
I learned I have no idea how to properly shoot 12ga slugs at 50 yards. Kept it on the target stand...but not all on paper. I think a red dot will help.
I also found that Century Hotshot ammo works pretty well for budget 9mm and 223 ammo, some odd ejection but no failures in about 400 rounds.
I was playing around with the vepr12, smoothbore. Was running some Herter's rifled slugs. Alas when it comes to chokes I an woefully undereducated, but I may need to look into that.
I think a big issue is that the sights are RPK machinegun sights that sit real low, and it is hard to actually get low enough to line up with a good cheek weld if the cheek rest is positioned (or have to deal without it), hoping a red dot will make that issue moot, we shall see...
Any fellow dakka members with experience of shooting World War Italian rifles?
I'm doing a thread on the Italian military right now, and inspired by Forgotten weapons and C&rsenal's videos, I ended up collecting Italian forces for FOW
Forgotten weapons seem to rate the Italian rifle quite well, so has anybody here fired one, and are they any good?Thanks for any feedback.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Any fellow dakka members with experience of shooting World War Italian rifles?
I'm doing a thread on the Italian military right now, and inspired by Forgotten weapons and C&rsenal's videos, I ended up collecting Italian forces for FOW
Forgotten weapons seem to rate the Italian rifle quite well, so has anybody here fired one, and are they any good?Thanks for any feedback.
Ian has a second channel with a co-host, InRange TV. They are doing a series with the Carcano v the Kar98K which is proving interesting;
After watching the Forgotten Weapons video watch the first video and Ian discusses the differences between what he thought was an advantage on paper compared to the real life handling of the rifle.
I had a Carcano, and I actually knew about the bullet diameter issue. A local Carcano fanboy helped me out in obtaining correct ammo.
These rifles have one glaring issue: where they were made. If your Carcano was made in an actual weapons plant it was pretty good. If it was made in a factory that used to make sewing machines, but converted to make rifles for WWII, it could very well stink.
Also, many times the stocks were not made in-house. This means that not only could the stocks be made to questionable standards, they often didn't meet the questionable standards of the metal parts. This lead to some "quick and dirty" fitting.
I have an opportunity to purchase an unusual revolver, a Manurhin MR73. I checked the revolver out and noticed something odd (to me) but am not sure if I should be concerned about this issue or not.
No rust or obvious issues noted. Trigger is good and it locks up tight - tighter than any revolver I have ever laid hand on.
The way the cylinder rotates struck me as odd. It does not spin freely like a S&W or Colt. It does move, just feels a bit stiff. Again, the trigger feels good and the cylinder moves in alignment when you operate the trigger.
Is this something that strikes anyone more knowledgable as a red flag? I can't find anything about how the cylinder should normally rotate on this type of revolver.
As long as the cylinder cycles when you actuate the trigger, I would think it's fine, may just need some cleaning and lube, but I've never gotten to play with one so I couldn't tell you for sure.
I went to YouTube to check that revolver out and as far as what I saw it didnt seem weird at all on video anyways. Sootch has a 15ish minute video on those with several minutes devoted to up close trigger pulls and pull tests using a meter if you want to look that up. Maybe the revolver youre looking at just needs some oiling?
I think I misunderstood what you said. Are you meaning when the cylinder is open, it spins weird? I thought you meant while pulling the trigger it felt weird.
KingCracker wrote: I think I misunderstood what you said. Are you meaning when the cylinder is open, it spins weird? I thought you meant while pulling the trigger it felt weird.
Sorry about the confusion. Yes I meant that when the cylinder is open it turns slowly. I found it odd due to my experiences with Ruger, Colt and S&W revolvers - which all spun freely with little effort when the cylinder was open.
Ahh yea that makes sense. Well one of the videos I watched they said that those revolvers are made with very close tolerances so maybe the cylinder just needs some oil or hell maybe even just some use. If you pull the trigger and everything works as it should then go for it, that looks like a top revolver
If it is working as intended, it's possible that was a feature to allow for easier reloading or cleaning. So you don't have to hold the cylinder in place.
Thats the line Im thinking too. Its not an American revolver so it may not function exactly like our revolvers do. That or unlike us Americans, we get to shoot our firearms pretty much without thought, maybe its just not worn in yet. Here we say "oh take that new gun and put 500 rounds through it and itll work like a dream" well how long would that take in most European countries? Here 500 rounds is a good shooting sesson
Well, I managed to find another Manurhin at a local gunshop for only $450. Went ahead and put a deposit down on it and will pick it up at the end of September.
It's in better condition than the 1st one I found and about $150 cheaper!
Slinky wrote: Does the cylinder on this one behave the same way?
Oh, I should have mentioned that! The cylinder on this one rotates freely just like the S&Ws and Colts I have handled in the past.
I spoke to a buddy who deals in C&R weapons and he thinks that most likely the first one I saw just needs to be taken apart and cleaned up. It had likely been in storage for a long time and just needs some TLC.
Frazzled wrote: I already do IDPA ( that's competitions for old farts and weekend hacks). I like the USPSA shooting but not keen on the running around.
Well I survived! Took #1 for production and class on the the classifier and one other stage but purely slacker on the others. Fun but hot and I was a bit surprised by the lack of people taping/resetting. They have a steel match at end of month I may try as there is no movement. Only hurt my back once so that is a positive!
Frazzled wrote: I already do IDPA ( that's competitions for old farts and weekend hacks). I like the USPSA shooting but not keen on the running around.
Horses for courses then. Running around, controlling your pace, etc. is the best bit about shooting for me.
I did extensive googling and it's very hard to find a FAQ on filling out the form as an individual, they're all for doing via a trust, which I'm not doing.
Yeah, the process isn't terribly easy to understand
But as far as I'm aware the fingerprint requirement is identical between Trusts and Individuals, except Trusts have to get *everyone* who is listed on the trust as a "responsible person" (i.e. who could legally possess the weapon) fingerprinted and photographed.
Shot a 3" Brenneke Black Magic 12 ga. slug into the ground trying to scare off a bear that had torn up my duck fence. Left a pretty good size divot.
The bear ran off a little ways and then stopped. I actually went back inside and grabbed a couple rounds of birdshot, because those slugs are too dang expensive to be used as noisemakers.
I need to get some rubber buckshot somewhere. Something that would be a little more convincing than a loud noise, but wouldn't seriously injure the bear. I guess it's pretty common out in the bush to use lightweight steel shot to pepper their backsides, but I don't feel comfortable doing that.
I went from about sixteen ducks to six last night. I doubt the bears (big sow black bear with a cub) ate any of the ducks themselves, but the ducks ran for it and they seem to get lost really easy. Lots of things out there looking to eat them.
Made an account with Imgur, thank you for the suggestion.
Here is my newest revolver - a 4 inch blued Manurhin MR73. I am very pleased to note that all my K frame speed loaders fit just fine. Now all I need is a holster and to start stockpiling .357 Magnum.
The .30-06 I inherited from my grandfather has a fancy hardwood stock. Despite taking it hunting quite a few times it was still in really nice condition. I got a .300 win mag of the same model that came with a synthetic stock. I put a target stock on the .300, and put the synthetic stock on my .30-06 so I wouldn't mess up the nice wooden stock. Now I'm all sad because the rifle looks ugly.
I filled out the paperwork for my Recce 7 Mod 4 today.
Spoiler:
So now we play the waiting game. At some point in July 2018, I will finally be able to finish my long running project of converting my Blackout AR into a suppressed SBR.
Definitely not, I was planning to cross that proverbial bridge when I get to it. Right now I am shooting off the shelf. Once the can arrives, I plan to experiment, starting with Remington's 220gr ammo, but if you or anyone else has suggestions I am all ears. I won't be hunting so I don't need high lethality, this is for fun at the range so I really want something as quiet as possible while still being reasonably accurate.
Ouze wrote: I filled out the paperwork for my Recce 7 Mod 4 today.
Spoiler:
So now we play the waiting game. At some point in July 2018, I will finally be able to finish my long running project of converting my Blackout AR into a suppressed SBR.
That's the worst part about the NFA, I can deal with the paperwork...but the transfer times....
complex57 wrote: Made an account with Imgur, thank you for the suggestion.
Here is my newest revolver - a 4 inch blued Manurhin MR73. I am very pleased to note that all my K frame speed loaders fit just fine. Now all I need is a holster and to start stockpiling .357 Magnum.
Looks like there is a company that is selling an integrally suppressed muzzle loader. The catch is that since muzzle loaders don't require a background check and the suppressor is permanently attached that there is no paperwork or background needed for that either.
People are up in arms over this, because apparently drive by flintlockings will become all the rage.
Oh my god imagine the headlines over that one. Itd be some kind of tactical black assault rifle of some kind Im sure and theyd think the ramrod was some kind of bayonet
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Well, my suppressor has arrived at my dealer. While it remains in NFA jail until.... (gag) July 2018, probably, my dealer did allow for a conjugal visit on his property.
I didn't want to blow through a lot of ammo, so i just fired a couple of rounds of unsupressed, a few with the suppressor, just to get a feel for it. I ran though a single 30 round mag.
When cleaning it, I discovered something I think I tangentially knew about but had forgotten: the gun was as dirty as if I had fired 250+ rounds through it.
1.) Due to the increased backpressure of the suppressor, I can expect this as normal operation, right?
2.) When my other stamp comes in and I reduce it to a 10.5" barrel, I can look forward to more... or less fouling? It's 300BLK so going to be a pistol length gas system both ways.
3.) Do you guys have any suggestions for cleaning the star chamber? I struggle with it. I've tried little star shaped foam bits (too expensive), Q-tips on long sticks (too ineffective), and I need something that makes it really easy. Is there such a thing/
Ouze wrote: Well, my suppressor has arrived at my dealer. While it remains in NFA jail until.... (gag) July 2018, probably, my dealer did allow for a conjugal visit on his property.
I didn't want to blow through a lot of ammo, so i just fired a couple of rounds of unsupressed, a few with the suppressor, just to get a feel for it. I ran though a single 30 round mag.
When cleaning it, I discovered something I think I tangentially knew about but had forgotten: the gun was as dirty as if I had fired 250+ rounds through it.
1.) Due to the increased backpressure of the suppressor, I can expect this as normal operation, right?
Aye.
2.) When my other stamp comes in and I reduce it to a 10.5" barrel, I can look forward to more... or less fouling? It's 300BLK so going to be a pistol length gas system both ways.
on a 300 blackout with a pistol length gas system, probably about the same.
3.) Do you guys have any suggestions for cleaning the star chamber? I struggle with it. I've tried little star shaped foam bits (too expensive), Q-tips on long sticks (too ineffective), and I need something that makes it really easy. Is there such a thing/
Otis makes a special star chamber wire brush, works well, their AR15 cleaning kit is awesome. But yeah, in general those are a PITA to clean.
For 300 Blackout a 9 inch barrel seems to be what the round is optimized for, so with a 10 inch barrel you shouldn't notice any real increase in fouling.
I've got a small collection. Two 9mm pistols, 22lr pistol, AR pistol, 357 mag revolver, 22 rifle, AR-15, bolt action rifle, 12ga shotgun. My gf also has a 9mm.
For black friday, I finally decided to pull the trigger (get it? PULL THE TRIGGER!) on a nice trigger upgrade. Geissele was having a big sale - the $240 SSA/SSA-E was on sale for $155 at primary arms, and the rest were all, like, 30% off.
I agonized over this, to be honest. In my relatively limited shooting experience, a trigger is a trigger - you pull it, it goes boom. Easy peasy, and yet I hear some many reviews saying that a trigger upgrade is totally worth it. "You don't know until you try it" was a common refrain. I figured I'd try it, and when I was unimpressed, I could return it pretty easily.
Maaaaan... believe the hype. I went with a SSA-E, which took me from a single stage approximately 8 pound milspec trigger to a 2.3 pound first stage, 1.2 lb second stage. It's smooth as can be, and it definitely allow for substantially more precise shots. It's probably amazing for hunting too, you can take out the slack and then be ready to fire with almost no pressure the second you're lined up.
It's maybe the best gun upgrade i've gotten. Now that I've had a 2 stage trigger, I don't know if I can go back to a single stage.
The downside is it's pretty expensive, and the pull weight really is greatly reduced which isn't always appropriate. I have 3 AR type rifles, and I installed 2 in the longer-range builds, but I also have a short AR pistol that I am leaving alone. I use that one for home defense so I think I prefer a little extra weight in a potentially tense situation.
For target or competition shooting, two stage triggers will definitely give you what you pay for. I'm personally used to the standard M4 trigger, but if I had a competition gun I would cough up for a Geissele for sure.
I didn't buy anything this black friday, but I almost went with an upper for my AR 308.
I'm thinking about getting into reloading. I understand you won't really save money, but you'll shoot more - I can't find 220gr 300BLK almost anywhere, and when I can, it's like $1.50 a round for low-end commercial stuff. Meanwhile, match grade bullets are like 35 cents apiece. I've been saving my brass in anticipation of doing this, someday... maybe. But I have some questions I bet you guys can answer.
How safe is it? Like, how easy is it to accidentally load more powder (or too little and make a squib) and explode your gun, your hand, and your face? I have decent attention to detail but I don't know if there is a step in the process to prevent this... I've never done it.
How safe are the supplies? Should I be worried about keeping a bunch of powder in my house?
Reloading is very very safe as long as you pay attention and don't get distracted (and if you do, work backwards until you are sure where you got to! )
Starting with a single-stage press to learn the basics may be best, then you tend to be doing one operation at a time on a batch.
I now use a Dillon progressive press, and love it...
I'll advise being careful, my brother almost blew his arm off with excessively high powered shotgun shells he made. Shotgun was a complete loss, stock even shattered in the explosion.
I use 'explosion' here deliberately, he forgot to add wadding and just filled the whole shell with powder and shot.
I'm thinking about getting into reloading. I understand you won't really save money, but you'll shoot more - I can't find 220gr 300BLK almost anywhere, and when I can, it's like $1.50 a round for low-end commercial stuff. Meanwhile, match grade bullets are like 35 cents apiece. I've been saving my brass in anticipation of doing this, someday... maybe. But I have some questions I bet you guys can answer.
How safe is it? Like, how easy is it to accidentally load more powder (or too little and make a squib) and explode your gun, your hand, and your face? I have decent attention to detail but I don't know if there is a step in the process to prevent this... I've never done it.
How safe are the supplies? Should I be worried about keeping a bunch of powder in my house?
For people that are familiar with the process and know what they're doing and are careful, it's as safe as anything else. Take your time, don't rush anything, and don't skip any steps. Check over your materials, clean your recycled brass and inspect it, always be careful with powder fill and you'll be fine.
Powder usually comes in pretty resilient plastic containers, unless you leave the container on an open flame, you're fine.
I took a class on it a few years back, don't have the space or tools at my place to do it, but the biggest thing seemed like the time investment, reloading can take a while
I'm thinking about getting into reloading. I understand you won't really save money, but you'll shoot more - I can't find 220gr 300BLK almost anywhere, and when I can, it's like $1.50 a round for low-end commercial stuff. Meanwhile, match grade bullets are like 35 cents apiece. I've been saving my brass in anticipation of doing this, someday... maybe. But I have some questions I bet you guys can answer.
How safe is it? Like, how easy is it to accidentally load more powder (or too little and make a squib) and explode your gun, your hand, and your face? I have decent attention to detail but I don't know if there is a step in the process to prevent this... I've never done it.
How safe are the supplies? Should I be worried about keeping a bunch of powder in my house?
First off, reloading can be a lot of fun and it can save you a lot of money over time because you can usually get 5-6 reloads out of the same casing if you maintain it properly.
second, get a reloading book. They will give you tips on, powder charges, bullet weights overall round length, and all you need to know about loading. I never use progressive loaders when loading the charge for my reloads, I'm too hands on and hand measure all my loads. I always double check every tenth shell to make sure my powder measurements are consistent. I have forgot to load powder into one of my loads, once... If you get distracted while loading like I did, just label those loads to remind you to be careful with them. When I shot the one with no powder it was very distinct and I knew what happened. The primer was enough to lodge the bullet in my barrel and left enough room for another round behind it, but I knew I squibbed and took care of it.
Lastly, supplies are very safe. Unless you have black powder, smokeless powder wont exploded. Just store it in a safe, dry place.
New to this thread, as I never wanted to get involved in what looked like a potential gak show based on the rest of the threads here.
My Father in Law recently passed and he left me all of his firearms. I have been shooting all my life, but only ever kept a shotgun in the house for defensive purposes, and haven't shot recreationally in over a decade.
The main rifle of interest to me was his AR-15 Carbine. It is the older style without the removable carrying handle so you can not mount an optic. To all the personnel in here that may have experience with the civilian version of this rifle, is there an effective way to mount an EO tech Halo site even with the carrying handle? Haven't found any examples from googling, so I come here humbly looking for advice.
Edit: Im partial to the EO tech since thats what I always used during my wanna be infantry days. Other recommendations are also welcome.
There are ways to have mounts attached to the handle, they work but have a *very* high bore offset, or, alternatively, have the optic rather far forward. They work, but are a bit awkward.
Vaktathi wrote: There are ways to have mounts attached to the handle, they work but have a *very* high bore offset, or, alternatively, have the optic rather far forward. They work, but are a bit awkward.
Yea, I was afraid of that. The first picture looks like it would need a custom stock so I could get a good cheek weld and still see through the optic, the second looks ok for a Halo sight but I would have to try it out. Would also probably have to remove the peep site.
You probably would not have to remove the peep sight. I have Eotech on my Range 15 rifle, which has Daniel Defense iron sights, and I can co-witness with the iron sights. Well I can as long as I have the 3x magnifier flipped over.
Also, being in the US, the land of reasonable gun prices, you may find it's not that much to have a gunsmith swap it out for a flat-top upper (unless you want to keep it as your FIL had it).
You can get a stripped upper for about $70 for a good brand. So far as paying a gunsmith, I'd consider that you can buy an AR wrench for $15, a vise block for about $10, and you may already have, or can borrow, a torque wench. Assembling an upper is pretty damn easy and that's all you'd really need, tool wise.
Ouze wrote: You can get a stripped upper for about $70 for a good brand. So far as paying a gunsmith, I'd consider that you can buy an AR wrench for $15, a vise block for about $10, and you may already have, or can borrow, a torque wench. Assembling an upper is pretty damn easy and that's all you'd really need, tool wise.
I will look into this. If I can get the full rail system and keep the old upper for my wife's sake, since she is not big on selling or changing her father's stuff, then I think that is the best option. Time to start making my post Christmas wish list, lol.
I am looking to buy a .357 revolver. I know I want it stainless, and I know I don't want a stubby 2-inch barrel (may as well get a .38 special at that point).
My decision is, 4 inch barrel or 6 inch barrel? 6 seems almost too long, while 4 seems a tad short to use all the powder of a .357 to its fullest. I wish someone made a 5 inch barrel.
cuda1179 wrote: I am looking to buy a .357 revolver. I know I want it stainless, and I know I don't want a stubby 2-inch barrel (may as well get a .38 special at that point).
My decision is, 4 inch barrel or 6 inch barrel? 6 seems almost too long, while 4 seems a tad short to use all the powder of a .357 to its fullest. I wish someone made a 5 inch barrel.
Not too much up on the newer revolvers. I picked up a Ruger LCR in 357 and like it (but mostly shoot .38 through it), but a weird (albeit not cheap option) would be a Chiappa Rhino, they make 5" guns.
Yeah, it has a really low bore relative to grip. Breotan has one I believe.
I'm not much of a revolver dude - I've found all of the big revolvers I've shot have had grips that were uncomfortable, too skinny almost. That being said I really do like the Rhinos, so ugly they're cool.
I am this close to getting a Desert Eagle as a Christmas present to myself. I've wanted one for a while. I keep trying to remind myself they are super overprice and not very good, but then I keep thinking about how cool they are...
There are a few advantages that revolvers have over semi-autos. For starters, there's not really a break-in period like some semiautos do. Also, I like that they aren't picky about ammo.
Vaktathi wrote: There are ways to have mounts attached to the handle, they work but have a *very* high bore offset, or, alternatively, have the optic rather far forward. They work, but are a bit awkward.
Yea, I was afraid of that. The first picture looks like it would need a custom stock so I could get a good cheek weld and still see through the optic, the second looks ok for a Halo sight but I would have to try it out. Would also probably have to remove the peep site.
thank you for the pictures.
I use a similar option to the top picture for my rifle.
I'm really not a fan. Sighting it is an absolute bitch. I'll be looking at swapping out the upper eventually, when I get around to saving up a few hundred that I don't "accidentally" spend on Warhammer stuff.
cuda1179 wrote: I am looking to buy a .357 revolver. I know I want it stainless, and I know I don't want a stubby 2-inch barrel (may as well get a .38 special at that point).
My decision is, 4 inch barrel or 6 inch barrel? 6 seems almost too long, while 4 seems a tad short to use all the powder of a .357 to its fullest. I wish someone made a 5 inch barrel.
If you can find one, Ruger made a special run of GP100s with a 5" barrel. Smith and Wesson also has a few 686 models with 5" barrels and a 627 with the heavier N frame with a 5" as well. Otherwise, the 4" versions of the above are all good guns and the barrel has plenty of room to burn the powder of most modern 357 magnum loads. If you don't mind used, see if you can find a Smith and Wesson model 66. That is my second favorite revolver, the Smith and Wesson 586 is my favorite but its blued, not stainless.
cuda1179 wrote: Nice. I am tempted to get Springfield's 10mm 1911 just for the giggle factor.
Just get glockzilla - it's cheaper.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Anyone own an m-14? I think I'd really like one. It's just "looked like a rifle should look" to me. It also gets a lot of praise by anyone who's ever used it. I've never shot one though. I have a Sig AR-10 so I'm not really sure it will be worth the money.
Grey Templar wrote: So I just bought a Springfield PX9105MLCA 1911. Really exited, been wanting a 1911 for a long time
You should be excited, because the 1911 is an amazing pistol.
I stopped using it as a carry gun because it's too bulky (I switched to a subcompact 9 instead), but it's still easily my favorite handgun in terms of looks and shooting.
Grey Templar wrote: So I just bought a Springfield PX9105MLCA 1911. Really exited, been wanting a 1911 for a long time
You should be excited, because the 1911 is an amazing pistol.
I stopped using it as a carry gun because it's too bulky (I switched to a subcompact 9 instead), but it's still easily my favorite handgun in terms of looks and shooting.
I'm big enough to where the 1911 is comfortable for me to carry.
Sadly it might be a while till I could ever carry it because California is stupid, and getting a CCL in my area is perhaps the toughest in the country. You can count on one hand the number of active CCL licenses in a 30 mile radius on my house
Anyone own an m-14? I think I'd really like one. It's just "looked like a rifle should look" to me. It also gets a lot of praise by anyone who's ever used it. I've never shot one though. I have a Sig AR-10 so I'm not really sure it will be worth the money.
I have a Springfield M1A (semi-auto civilian version). Mine is a more 'modern' version, the M1A SOCOM CQB version.
Top gun in the picture below:
16 inch barrel, boy is it LOUD. Surprisingly almost no felt recoup due to the muzzle brake. Came with a Vortex Venom red dot. VERY fun gun to shoot.
Grey Templar wrote: So I just bought a Springfield PX9105MLCA 1911. Really exited, been wanting a 1911 for a long time
You should be excited, because the 1911 is an amazing pistol.
I stopped using it as a carry gun because it's too bulky (I switched to a subcompact 9 instead), but it's still easily my favorite handgun in terms of looks and shooting.
I'm big enough to where the 1911 is comfortable for me to carry.
Sadly it might be a while till I could ever carry it because California is stupid, and getting a CCL in my area is perhaps the toughest in the country. You can count on one hand the number of active CCL licenses in a 30 mile radius on my house
I was about to say.. How tiny are ya'all that an 1911 is big?
Grey Templar wrote: So I just bought a Springfield PX9105MLCA 1911. Really exited, been wanting a 1911 for a long time
You should be excited, because the 1911 is an amazing pistol.
I stopped using it as a carry gun because it's too bulky (I switched to a subcompact 9 instead), but it's still easily my favorite handgun in terms of looks and shooting.
I'm big enough to where the 1911 is comfortable for me to carry.
Sadly it might be a while till I could ever carry it because California is stupid, and getting a CCL in my area is perhaps the toughest in the country. You can count on one hand the number of active CCL licenses in a 30 mile radius on my house
I was about to say.. How tiny are ya'all that an 1911 is big?
I think its more a weight issue than a size issue for people. 1911s are fairly slim, but they are heavy. Thats good and bad depending on what is important.
They're definitely not your typical CCW type weapon where you'd usually go for something a bit smaller. Its probably 90% a perception thing where people are just used to a weapon for every day carrying is something small like a Ruger .38 special or a Glock 26, without actually realizing you can comfortably carry something much bigger depending on the specifics.
I saw the Wolf A1 upper and was intrigued. A piston AR upper with a cold hammer forged barrel for $499 shipped sounded..interesting. Basically it's a Taiwanese T91, the upper receiver itself and charging handle are US made standard parts, the barrel is started as a blank in Taiwan and finished here, and everything else, the handguards, gas system, gas block, BCG, etc all comes out of the Taiwanese military factory. Military import stuff like this tend to show up for a short time at dirt cheap prices, eventually stop coming in or otherwise dry up, and skyrocket in value, so I figured I'd check one out. The gas system and bolt carrier adaptation is nearly identical to that used in Colt's SCAR submission and later the 6940P, but from the late 70's and available at a quarter of the cost of Colt's offering (which I believe is discontinued).
Haven't had a chance to shoot it just yet, the front post is a proprietary one to the ROC design, so it doesn't line up with the MBUS I put on there, but I have a Taiwanese rear sight coming. The pushpins required some tapping with the plastic mallet to go in, but that may just be my lower. The muzzle device is interesting, in that when properly timed, it's actually offset in the same way as an AK slant brake. The barrel itself has a really thick profile, and the gas block is built like a tank, but it doesn't feel terribly front heavy, though they do mill off the bayonet lug. We'll see what happens with it, it may be a hunk of junk, it may be awesome, but it was cheap enough that it looked fun.
Anyone own an m-14? I think I'd really like one. It's just "looked like a rifle should look" to me. It also gets a lot of praise by anyone who's ever used it. I've never shot one though. I have a Sig AR-10 so I'm not really sure it will be worth the money.
I have a Springfield M1A (semi-auto civilian version). Mine is a more 'modern' version, the M1A SOCOM CQB version.
Top gun in the picture below:
16 inch barrel, boy is it LOUD. Surprisingly almost no felt recoup due to the muzzle brake. Came with a Vortex Venom red dot. VERY fun gun to shoot.
So....Something VERY interesting coming out of the SHOT show. Apparently some company has found a little loophole in ATF regulations.
They are marketing an AR-15, with a stock, still semi-auto, and only an 11 inch barrel. But somehow it is NOT considered a short-barrels rifle. No extra paperwork needed.
Yeah, I saw that clownshoes POS. They announced it 2 weeks or so ago.
It's functionally a SBR, but since it's unrifled, it's a firearm. And what A firearm it is! 4MOA out of the box makes you a lethal threat for tens of yards, or you can choose their proprietary Nerf Football inspired ammo instead:
Spoiler:
which will get you to about the range and lethality of a $400 Anderson Arms AR15 at, I assume, 2 bucks a round.
cuda1179 wrote: So....Something VERY interesting coming out of the SHOT show. Apparently some company has found a little loophole in ATF regulations.
They are marketing an AR-15, with a stock, still semi-auto, and only an 11 inch barrel. But somehow it is NOT considered a short-barrels rifle. No extra paperwork needed.
Yea...no. I wouldn't risk that...
(kinda think the concept is stupid to begin with).
cuda1179 wrote: So....Something VERY interesting coming out of the SHOT show. Apparently some company has found a little loophole in ATF regulations.
They are marketing an AR-15, with a stock, still semi-auto, and only an 11 inch barrel. But somehow it is NOT considered a short-barrels rifle. No extra paperwork needed.
Yea...no. I wouldn't risk that...
(kinda think the concept is stupid to begin with).
Apparently the ATF has all ready signed off on this and given it their seal of approval.
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Ouze wrote: Yeah, I saw that clownshoes POS. They announced it 2 weeks or so ago.
It's functionally a SBR, but since it's unrifled, it's a firearm. And what A firearm it is! 4MOA out of the box makes you a lethal threat for tens of yards, or you can choose their proprietary Nerf Football inspired ammo instead:
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which will get you to about the range and lethality of a $400 Anderson Arms AR15 at, I assume, 2 bucks a round.
At a mere $2,000, sign me the feth up.
Oh, WTF? That's how they're getting around the rules. I thought of all the loopholes, and proprietary ammo was at the bottom of the list. I thought they'd make a "rifled" barrel that had a zero twist rate. In other words, grooves that run the length of the barrel without rotating around it. That way a bullet would be somewhat stabilized but not technically "rifling" according to regulations. A totally smooth barrel is silly.
I believe the barrel has untwisted grooves or something like that, its not a smoothbore from what I understand, but will not properly stabilize a projectile.
For shooting across a room, through a house, over a driveway, its probably fine, that sounds like its intended use, but for $2k, thats a spicey meatball.
Well, as much as I like thumbing my nose at the ATF, this is fairly silly.
I'll have to dig it out, but I mailed in my own question to the AFT a couple years back. I purchased a MechTech rifle conversion kit for a Glock 23. It had a collapsible stock, that when collapsed, made the gun only 24 inches long. However, all lengths are measured with stocks unfolded, so it's legal.
My question was: If I were to install a simple bull-pup style secondary trigger on that gun (where the support hand usually rests) and I was able to shoulder the gun with the stock in the retracted position, would it be considered a short barreled rifle? The answer I got was, "no, that's still legal if the stock can still extend to make it over 26 inches long."
I'm truly surprised no one has ever tried to abuse that for a marketable gun before.
So, I have an AR pistol - 7.5" barrel, sig brace, etc. It's a nice little gun. I have a shotgun in the bedroom for home defense, but this is handy too; and it's been pointed out that the AR is much easier to get around corners, better capacity, less recoil, and so on, so I like it for that role, too.
It's a little heavy, though. I decided at some point that the handguard, a quad rail, was the villain here. So I decided to replace the handguard with a nice new Aero Precison Atlas.
The Atlas is a terrific handguard, and it's keymod instead of a quad rail. However installing it meant I needed to not only take off the handguard, but also the barrel nut. Removing the barrrel nut also meant removing the gas tube, and the gas block. Doing that meant I had to remove the muzzle device. At that point I essentially had a stripped upper.
I could have reassembled and had 3oz of weight savings, but then it dawned on me, since the upper was now stripped.... I have a 10.5" 300BLK barrel I had been saving for when my tax stamp comes in for a full-sized AR (which was stored with the pistol so not to constitute constructive possession). If I am going to go short barrel, why not swap to that one?
So I swapped to the 300BLK, and re-assembled. Behold:
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So like a champ, to lighten the gun I managed to make it 3oz heavier than I started out with and now it's in a caliber I only have about 60 rounds on hand for. I have about 150 subsonics, but I'm saving those for when the suppressor transfer goes through.
Now I have about 800 rounds of 5.56 that I have no rifle chambered in.
Looks cool though! Also pretty sure supersonic 300BLK in a 10.5" barrel beats 5.56 in a 7.5" barrel, so probably a wise choice overall.
I'm thinking about paying for another tax stamp so I can put a PDW stock on it. That, or maybe a stamp-free tailhook or something like that. Haven't 100% decided.
Uggg... Sig Sauer finally discontinued my favorite pistol, the P239. I have been wondering when its time would finally come and I feel like its too soon. Although the new 365 is better in almost every way over the old 239 it still has a special place in my heart as a reliable, compact, classic carry gun. Guess its time for me to buy another one and stock up on parts lol.
Ladies pay attention. This is the Valentines Day gift your man really wants, forget the sexy lingerie. Seriously though, I wish it could be filled with "proper" flame thrower liquids.
Yeah, that's what makes me so much less excited about it. It's basically just a tiki torch with a trigger and a bit of propellant to get a couple feet of flame.
That said, given that a proper US M2 runs about $26k and needs to be cared for like Scuba equipment, it does have the advantage of being 50X cheaper...
Vaktathi wrote: Yeah, that's what makes me so much less excited about it. It's basically just a tiki torch with a trigger and a bit of propellant to get a couple feet of flame.
I also have one of these an XM-42. It shoots gasoline....
Something I've wanted for a while is a 10mm carbine. Now that Hi Point is making one maybe I can justify the price. I know they are ugly and heavy, but also cheap, reliable, and built like a tank. If I can snag one for under $350 (and a bullpup kit) I might go for it.
I've never understood pistol caliber carbines: all the concealability of a rifle paired with all the stopping power of a pistol. The concept seems like all negatives and no positives to me.
1.) Is it, though? 10mm is like 30-35 cents per round, and .223/5.56 is like 20 cents per round - more or less what 9mm costs.
2.) Why not pay for that same 10mm ammo and have a gun you can conceal under a shirt? 10mm is designed for a pistol length barrel, so giving it substantially more barrel doesn't make it into an amazing round. Out of a 6 inch barrel you're at 650fps, and once you hit 16 inches, you've only gone up to 750fps.
Ouze wrote: I've never understood pistol caliber carbines: all the concealability of a rifle paired with all the stopping power of a pistol. The concept seems like all negatives and no positives to me.
Until the last few years or so, they were dramatically cheaper to buy and feed than a rifle, they could use the same ammo and magazines as the handgun but dramatically extend the effective range, and in a lot of cases the extra kinetic energy wasnt relevant for every intended use. There are still applications there, especially if youre not intending on engaging combatant human targets.
SBR's also used to be much less popular, 300 blackout is very new and expensive to shoot, .223 out of a short barrel can have blast/flash issuds, PCC's still tend to be lighter than rifle equivalents (usually by about a pound/pound and a half) in most cases, and can be made in smaller form factors more effectively.
Theres also lots of ranges, particularly indoor, that wont let you shoot anything above pistol cartridges.
Im building a 300 blackout SBR now as a to fill that "subgun" practical niche, but I have lots of fun with .357 levergats, and my 9mm CX4 & Scorpion Evo, theyre awesome.
I all ready have a couple pistol caliber carbines, and yes, there are advantages.
They can be smaller than a standard rifle. Instead of the mag well in front of the trigger, it's in the grip. That shortens the thing by 5 inches right there. My Mechtech Glock is only 23 inches long with the stock collapsed.
The magazines are also shorter (front to back) and easier to fit in a vest pocket.
You can share a magazine with a pistol.
The round has a shorter range when that is an issue. They don't have as much of an issue with over-penetration.
cuda1179 wrote: They can be smaller than a standard rifle. Instead of the mag well in front of the trigger, it's in the grip. That shortens the thing by 5 inches right there. My Mechtech Glock is only 23 inches long with the stock collapsed.
My AR pistol is 24" long with a brace. For that extra inch I get ammo moving at 2600fps instead of 700.
Some of the other stuff you mention - the mags being smaller - is countered out by them being harder to load (and of course, the Glock mags are smaller because they hold half as many rounds). Some of it isn't an advantage at all - sharing a magazine with a pistol is more of a novelty than a useful feature. And so far the ammo not overpenetrating, that seems irrelevant; since of course that's exactly the same for the 10mm carbine as a 10mm pistol, but the pistol weighs a third as much and can be concealed.
223 out of a short barrel can have blast/flash issues
Theres also lots of ranges, particularly indoor, that wont let you shoot anything above pistol cartridges.
I trimmed your post a bit; these are fair issues. 300BLK really is ideal for this size but it is like 75 cents a round best case.
I can see the appeal of some of the really small ones, like the EVO, but I gotta say that I definitely feel like now that short barreled ARs are a thing, some of these big ass carbines shooting pistol ammo seem like an odd choice.
cuda1179 wrote: They can be smaller than a standard rifle. Instead of the mag well in front of the trigger, it's in the grip. That shortens the thing by 5 inches right there. My Mechtech Glock is only 23 inches long with the stock collapsed.
My AR pistol is 24" long with a brace. For that extra inch I get ammo moving at 2600fps instead of 700.
I thought the argument was why someone would want a PCC over a rifle. I mean, yeah a pistol AR has it's place, but it's not the rifle we were comparing it to.
And by the way, a 10mm (180 grain bullet) a 16 inch barrel is more like 1400fps, with 780 ft-lbs of energy compared to your AR pistol's 826 ft-lbs. Yeah, slightly less energy, but a larger wound cavity.
I'm also going to call out your estimate on "2600fps". If your AR is that short, I'm guessing you have an 11.5 inch barrel on that. Most AR ammo is going to drop between 2300 and 2500fps for a barrel that short (for a 55 grain bullet) and drop your energy down to about 760 ft-lbs on the high end, and possibly as low as 650.
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Ouze wrote: I'll look into this more later. I think I may have been mistaken.
Looks like my estimations fall pretty much right into the middle of the chart you provided. At 16 inches of barrel the muzzle energy of those in your chart range from 600 to 980. I said 780.
There really isn't any doubt that a longer barrel will make the same round more powerful.
Thompsons and 1911s both shoot the same ammo. The Thompson is much more powerful with each individual round because of the longer barrel. Even though its 'just' a pistol round.
I was wrong on the 10MM FPS numbers above; I misread a chart. 10MM is more like 1400fps out of a pistol, not 700. My mistake.
cuda1179 wrote: I'm also going to call out your estimate on "2600fps". If your AR is that short, I'm guessing you have an 11.5 inch barrel on that.
I wasn't wrong on that, though. You can hit 2700fps with a 10" barrel and get an OAL of 24" using 45gr ammo.
Grey Templar wrote: There really isn't any doubt that a longer barrel will make the same round more powerful.
Thompsons and 1911s both shoot the same ammo. The Thompson is much more powerful with each individual round because of the longer barrel. Even though its 'just' a pistol round.
As with everything, there is a point of diminishing returns. For 300BLK, for example, all the powder has been burned by the 9" mark. All a longer barrel is doing is adding unnecessary weight.
Pistol rounds use different powder than rifle rounds because they need to have burned it all of by the 5" mark. You may get some additional velocity, but putting a 9mm into a 16" barrel doesn't turn it into a rifle round: you go from about 1300FPS at 6" to about 1400FPS at 14" and nothing additional after that. You actually start losing velocity with some ammo when you have a barrel longer than 14".
Is taking a 9mm handgun that you can fit into a pocket and making it into a heavier, rifle size package (and losing all concealability) worth getting an extra 7% velocity? Not IMO. That applies just as much to the 10mm above - you go from a concealable pistol firing 1400FPS to a much larger and heavier package and you only get 1500fps, once again like a 7% increase. Seems like a poor trade.
The arguments Vakathi made earlier made sense though, especially limitations on backstops at a range. The indoor range I go to doesn't allow rifles. As a working gun, though... seems like kind of a lame concept.
One advantage is that it is much easier to hit a target with a two-handed "rifle" than it is with a pistol, particularly for those without much time to practice.
1.) Is it, though? 10mm is like 30-35 cents per round, and .223/5.56 is like 20 cents per round - more or less what 9mm costs.
2.) Why not pay for that same 10mm ammo and have a gun you can conceal under a shirt? 10mm is designed for a pistol length barrel, so giving it substantially more barrel doesn't make it into an amazing round. Out of a 6 inch barrel you're at 650fps, and once you hit 16 inches, you've only gone up to 750fps.
Well most PCCs are available in 9mm. All the ones I've seen in competitions were 9mm.
I like them. You can get one tweaked to weigh about 4.5 lbs, with existing mags and accurate to most ranges you are going to be able to shoot outside of your own land or a range queen. Plus, your 5.56 is loud as gak.
Considering most people at the range seem to shoot their M4 wannabees at most at the 50 and 100 yard range, not seeing much difference. They don't either. Interesting note. When I shoot pistol against carbines/PCCs on the same range, I will typicallly equal or beat the iron sight guys. But a hack with an optic will kick my ass, especially with a PCC which recoils less and usually is lighter.
Strongly considering getting one for the daughter when she moves out of the dorm, for home offense. The Beretta Storm would be a nice compliment to her FS 92 I am holding for her.
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Grey Templar wrote: There really isn't any doubt that a longer barrel will make the same round more powerful.
Thompsons and 1911s both shoot the same ammo. The Thompson is much more powerful with each individual round because of the longer barrel. Even though its 'just' a pistol round.
I watched a video review of the old WW2 greasegun. Man I want that.
What are people’s thoughts?
Is anyone here giving up there guns?
No... and really, not a topic that should be discussed in this thread.
Zognob we don't discuss politics in this thread. Unless of course thats 9mm vs. .45 which really isn't a discussion, because everyone knows a 45 will blow the engine block right out of an 18 wheeler. For reelz!
What are people’s thoughts?
Is anyone here giving up there guns?
No... and really, not a topic that should be discussed in this thread.
Zognob we don't discuss politics in this thread. Unless of course thats 9mm vs. .45 which really isn't a discussion, because everyone knows a 45 will blow the engine block right out of an 18 wheeler. For reelz!
though, 100 years and still going strong, .45 ACP never been unreliable.
Frazzled wrote: Unless of course thats 9mm vs. .45 which really isn't a discussion, because everyone knows a 45 will blow the engine block right out of an 18 wheeler. For reelz!
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As much as I like the 1911, it's a bit unwieldy for daily carry, so I do a 9mm subcompact with +P hollowpoints for carry and I keep my 1911 for other shooting stuff.
Frazzled wrote: Unless of course thats 9mm vs. .45 which really isn't a discussion, because everyone knows a 45 will blow the engine block right out of an 18 wheeler. For reelz!
Spoiler:
As much as I like the 1911, it's a bit unwieldy for daily carry, so I do a 9mm subcompact with +P hollowpoints for carry and I keep my 1911 for other shooting stuff.
You don't even need a 1911. Just throw the bullets. Just throwing them will blow right through a halftrack's door. Hidden WWII fact. the M4 long barreled 76mm Sherman fires a normal 75mm shell with a .45 ACP round taped to the front.
What are people’s thoughts?
Is anyone here giving up there guns?
No... and really, not a topic that should be discussed in this thread.
Zognob we don't discuss politics in this thread. Unless of course thats 9mm vs. .45 which really isn't a discussion, because everyone knows a 45 will blow the engine block right out of an 18 wheeler. For reelz!
I don't own any guns. But when I make enough money to move out of the city one day, I'd love to own both a Scar-H and a Scar-L. They just look so awesome. If they're available, they're the first weapon I'd pick up in any video game. I don't know if its a coincidence that they're all made by FN Herstal, or if that says something about me, but I really like the P90 and .57 pistol too.
Alas, while cool, all of those tend to be expensive pickups, SCAR's tend to run in the ~$3,000 range. They are not cheap, though they are lots of fun
If you want something largely similar to the SCAR16 check out a Cz Bren 805. The designs are very close, made in the Czech Republic, but can be had for $1200-1600 depending on configuration, and most everyone that has handled both tends to prefer the CZ from what I have seen.
I also really like the Five Seven but $1100 is a little hard to swallow. The PMR30 is sort of a neat alternative:
Pros:
You can get it for $300-400 instead of $100
Holds 30 rounds of .22 Magnum
.22 Magnum in a 5" barrel means there is an enormous fireball every time
.22 Magnum is about .35 cents a round instead of .50 cents per round
Cons:
Can be hard to find
Exceedingly finicky about ammo - the manufacturer recommends 2 brands and literally everything else I used with it turned it into a jam-o-matic
It's pretty impossible to actually load 30 rounds into it
The stopping power of .22 Magnum isn't quite as good as 5.7
Quite inaccurate even with the recommended ammo
This was the only gun I ever sold, but it's because I bought it at a time when .22WMR was about impossible to find, especially when this needs like 2 specific brands. Ammo availability is much better now,
I also really like the Five Seven but $1100 is a little hard to swallow. The PMR30 is sort of a neat alternative:
Pros:
You can get it for $300-400 instead of $100
Holds 30 rounds of .22 Magnum
.22 Magnum in a 5" barrel means there is an enormous fireball every time
.22 Magnum is about .35 cents a round instead of .50 cents per round
Cons:
Can be hard to find
Exceedingly finicky about ammo - the manufacturer recommends 2 brands and literally everything else I used with it turned it into a jam-o-matic
It's pretty impossible to actually load 30 rounds into it
The stopping power of .22 Magnum isn't quite as good as 5.7
Quite inaccurate even with the recommended ammo
This was the only gun I ever sold, but it's because I bought it at a time when .22WMR was about impossible to find, especially when this needs like 2 specific brands. Ammo availability is much better now,
A shop about half hour from me has one. You have to bang the bottom of the mag on a hard surface, and have thumbs of steel, but you can reliably get the full 30 in there. I've been pondering getting it since its only $350, and nobody actually shoots .22WMR out in Amish country, so its always in stock .
Yes, it's quite ugly, and it also feels like a cheap plastic toy. Like I said, it's the only firearm I ever wound up selling.
That being said, it's the closest you'll get to a Five Seven for under a grand, and is also the least expensive pistol that can blast out 25+ giant fireballs per mag.
If you want an ugly gun that's actually desirable....
Of all those destructive devices out there, this is the one I can never find for sale anyplace for something resembling a reasonable price. 85mm AT guns, sure, but the PTRS? No. But I keep seeing them in photos from various war zones, so I guess they're still popular.
Ouze wrote: Yes, it's quite ugly, and it also feels like a cheap plastic toy. Like I said, it's the only firearm I ever wound up selling.
That being said, it's the closest you'll get to a Five Seven for under a grand, and is also the least expensive pistol that can blast out 25+ giant fireballs per mag.
My M1A SOCOM CQB makes a hellacious fireball. So VERY cool to shoot, but a bit more expensive per round than that .22 magnum (7.62 NATO/.308).
I also really like the Five Seven but $1100 is a little hard to swallow. The PMR30 is sort of a neat alternative:
Pros:
You can get it for $300-400 instead of $100
Holds 30 rounds of .22 Magnum
.22 Magnum in a 5" barrel means there is an enormous fireball every time
.22 Magnum is about .35 cents a round instead of .50 cents per round
Cons:
Can be hard to find
Exceedingly finicky about ammo - the manufacturer recommends 2 brands and literally everything else I used with it turned it into a jam-o-matic
It's pretty impossible to actually load 30 rounds into it
The stopping power of .22 Magnum isn't quite as good as 5.7
Quite inaccurate even with the recommended ammo
This was the only gun I ever sold, but it's because I bought it at a time when .22WMR was about impossible to find, especially when this needs like 2 specific brands. Ammo availability is much better now,
NIce. I've always loved the look of the P90 and the FiveSeven, but the cost of ammo is prohibitive. If I had the money a PS90 SBR and paired FiveSeven would be in my safe.
Ouze wrote: Yes, it's quite ugly, and it also feels like a cheap plastic toy. Like I said, it's the only firearm I ever wound up selling.
That being said, it's the closest you'll get to a Five Seven for under a grand, and is also the least expensive pistol that can blast out 25+ giant fireballs per mag.
Well, there is another option. Get a Glock in 9mm. Get a replacement barrel chambered in .22 TCM. Have fun. It's basically a 5.56mm round cut down to be as long as a 9mm round. It's ballistics are remarkably similar to the 5.7mm, and you can still use standard glock mags for it. $400 for a Gen 3 glock and $120 for the barrel isn't too bad. If you run out of .22 TCM you can plop that 9mm barrel back in and run 9mm.
So I just bought a Riley Russian Red AK47. I wanted an AR-15 Grendel, but nobody could order me one and I saw this sexy little thing in the corner. The store's ARs were also all fixed mags(gross, stupid CA)
Don't have a picture of it yet, but I found a picture of a nearly identical one. The red finish is just indescribably beautiful, it's a little darker than this picture, but close enough.
Grey Templar wrote: Don't have a picture of it yet, but I found a picture of a nearly identical one. The red finish is just indescribably beautiful, it's a little darker than this picture, but close enough.
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Pretty swell furniture. My AK I went with a folding wire stock, but if I could have done it over again I would love to have gotten red wood just as you have. I'm not dumping any money into swapping it though :/
I don't have nearly as much experience with weapons as any of you, but I have done things like gone out with friends who like to go shoot pellet air guns, and the like. I participated, of course.
Now, here's the thing. I am right-handed. In media, I always see people use rifles with the right hand on the trigger and the weapon resting in the left. However, the opposite feels far more natural to me. Indeed, merely trying to hold it the way I see others do feels like it puts massive strain on my left wrist.
Are you supposed to hold it one way or the other for any reason?
I don't have nearly as much experience with weapons as any of you, but I have done things like gone out with friends who like to go shoot pellet air guns, and the like. I participated, of course.
Now, here's the thing. I am right-handed. In media, I always see people use rifles with the right hand on the trigger and the weapon resting in the left. However, the opposite feels far more natural to me. Indeed, merely trying to hold it the way I see others do feels like it puts massive strain on my left wrist.
Are you supposed to hold it one way or the other for any reason?
A lot can depend on the type of grip (pistol grip, semi-pistol grip, thumbhole, straight grip, etc), however, are you cross-eye dominant? If you're right handed but left eye dominant, that can make aiming the rifle require awkward contortion unless you switch shoulders.
Rybrook wrote: It actually shoots straight and still rips through aerosol cans, the grip isnt much but it works considering it age, 1993 vintage
It's totally a thing. I'm the exact same way- I write right-handed, it's my 'dextrous' hand (hur hur) but as soon as I pick up a weapon, I go southpaw, just completely naturally. Guns, hammers, swords, bows, whatever. Pistol or long-gun is the same.
For the shooting, it's also very much an aiming thing, but yeah, some people do that.
There's a reason that left-handed weapons are available.
I don't have nearly as much experience with weapons as any of you, but I have done things like gone out with friends who like to go shoot pellet air guns, and the like. I participated, of course.
Now, here's the thing. I am right-handed. In media, I always see people use rifles with the right hand on the trigger and the weapon resting in the left. However, the opposite feels far more natural to me. Indeed, merely trying to hold it the way I see others do feels like it puts massive strain on my left wrist.
Are you supposed to hold it one way or the other for any reason?
No reason you can't hold your rifle in that manner. If a bolt action learn to reach over and cycle it like the guy in saving private ryan.Also there are some companies that make left handed bolt actions. If you have access to semi autos this is less of an issue as many of them are ambidextrous.
Ashiraya wrote: I am left eye dominant, yes, but this is entirely something I feel in my arms and hands.
I think that is probably the issue then. You're feeling awkward because of your vision, but it will feel like its something with your arms or hands.
You might feel better with a left handed grip, and ejecting brass could be an issue for you depending on the weapon and how you are holding it. Depends on how comfortable you are with the casings being ejected right in front of your face.
In other news, just picked up the AK. I'll go shooting with it tomorrow or on thursday. Also, I thought I was going crazy cause I thought it came with a 10rnd mag, but it seems it only came with an 8. I was thinking the mag was jamming when I was testing it out, but it was just full.
Ashiraya wrote: I am left eye dominant, yes, but this is entirely something I feel in my arms and hands.
I think that is probably the issue then. You're feeling awkward because of your vision, but it will feel like its something with your arms or hands.
Yep, as soon as I read his post "Left Eye Dominant" popped into my head. Had a buddy in high school with that issue, right handed but left eye dominant.
Ashiraya wrote: Are you supposed to hold it one way or the other for any reason?
Most firearms are developed to be shot by right handers because that is the majority of the population. It has less to do with your hands and your eyes, per se, so much as firearms have an ejection port for spent brass to be ejected out of, and that's generally going to be on the right hand side. Otherwise you get:
Not all firearms have this issue, though. Some have models designed for left handed users. Some innately can be switched to the other side pretty simply, like the Beretta ARX. Some can have a part swapped - there are left handed AR15 uppers, which you can swap with some basic tools. And some it doesn't matter at all - some rifles & shotguns eject the shells downward, and at least one rifle I am aware of has a mechanism to slide shells out of the front.
Ashiraya wrote: Are you supposed to hold it one way or the other for any reason?
Most firearms are developed to be shot by right handers because that is the majority of the population. It has less to do with your hands and your eyes, per se, so much as firearms have an ejection port for spent brass to be ejected out of, and that's generally going to be on the right hand side. Otherwise you get:
Not all firearms have this issue, though. Some have models designed for left handed users. Some innately can be switched to the other side pretty simply, like the Beretta ARX. Some can have a part swapped - there are left handed AR15 uppers, which you can swap with some basic tools. And some it doesn't matter at all - some rifles shotguns eject the shells downward, and at least one rifle I am aware of has a mechanism to slide shells out of the front.
Don't most M4/M16/AR15s have that little angle piece on the upper receiver that makes the brass go more forward so left hand shooters don't have this issue?
Yeah, most have a shell deflector. All 3 of mine do. I still see lots of shells that will go behind and to the right depending on ammo, and how they hit it. Best case scenario, you're blasting hot brass all over your right forearm instead of your face
Additionally if you run suppressed, you're gonna get a lot of facefuls of hot gas.
But I will agree that an average lefty with a stock AR15 probably doesn't need a left handed upper.
The old m-16a1 did not have the brass deflectors , watched some left handed shooters eat brass all day shooting those...they added that brass deflectors to the A2 model. Lot of left handed hunters back in the day used Ithaca shotguns because they extract from the bottom of the gun... but now manufacturers do make left handed models
Ashiraya wrote: Are you supposed to hold it one way or the other for any reason?
Most firearms are developed to be shot by right handers because that is the majority of the population. It has less to do with your hands and your eyes, per se, so much as firearms have an ejection port for spent brass to be ejected out of, and that's generally going to be on the right hand side. Otherwise you get:
Not all firearms have this issue, though. Some have models designed for left handed users. Some innately can be switched to the other side pretty simply, like the Beretta ARX. Some can have a part swapped - there are left handed AR15 uppers, which you can swap with some basic tools. And some it doesn't matter at all - some rifles & shotguns eject the shells downward, and at least one rifle I am aware of has a mechanism to slide shells out of the front.
This is much less of an issue with pistols.
many semis can now switch the port. For bolts this is not an issue. Note that's also a bullpup being deminstrated.
Quick question to you all that like forward pistol grips on your rifles, how far forward do you like them?
My friend and I are polar opposites. He likes his forward grips tucked way back by the magwell and is comfortable holding his rifle (right handed) with his left elbow bent at an extreme angle. He says it's comfortable to him, but it just looks weird to me.
I on the other hand tend to put my grip as far forward as I can, so my left arm is almost completely extended strait. Even with my heavier carbines like my Mini-30 this is my preferred position.
I tend to use AFG's instread of VFGs, and I also keep them as far back towards the magwell as I can. Without a grip, I grab the magwell, but that also feels weird.
Sadly I can't have pistol grips in CA, on my real guns. But on my airsoft guns I prefer it further back. I feel it gives more leverage and fine control than further out.
cuda1179 wrote: Quick question to you all that like forward pistol grips on your rifles, how far forward do you like them?
My friend and I are polar opposites. He likes his forward grips tucked way back by the magwell and is comfortable holding his rifle (right handed) with his left elbow bent at an extreme angle. He says it's comfortable to him, but it just looks weird to me.
I on the other hand tend to put my grip as far forward as I can, so my left arm is almost completely extended strait. Even with my heavier carbines like my Mini-30 this is my preferred position.
I prefer them to be arms length out. My Steyrs are the only ones with forward grips on them at the moment though and I don't get a choice of where their grips go since they are built in.
Also, they make a fairly cheap and effective brass deflector for the Steyr above, so you don't eat a bunch of brass incase you have to shoot wrong handed. The early Steyrs were able to be converted to eject left or right depending on the shooter, but those ones are extremely rare in the US and mostly full auto. They also required a different bolt, one for left hand eject, one for right. The Steyr is an awesome rifle, buts its taxed by being 41 years old and barely any advancements.
Definitely not a large gun, but is still a 9mm. Felt very comfortable in my hand when I went to the range. Didn't fire it yet....still on the fence about buying my first gun (ever).
When I did shoot, used a Glock 19. That felt nice too, but was thinking something smaller for concealed carry, and honestly the price point of the Taurus is very attractive for a first pistol.
Definitely not a large gun, but is still a 9mm. Felt very comfortable in my hand when I went to the range. Didn't fire it yet....still on the fence about buying my first gun (ever).
When I did shoot, used a Glock 19. That felt nice too, but was thinking something smaller for concealed carry, and honestly the price point of the Taurus is very attractive for a first pistol.
I would hold off and buy the gun you want before just buying a gun to have one. My first pistol was a sig 20+ yrs ago and still have it. Buy right the first time or buy it twice
I know what you are saying....however...as I said, I certainly liked the feel of it. It fit very nicely.
I wouldn't be getting anything anytime soon if I got my "dream" pistol: Colt Anaconda
I look at it this way.....everybody has to start somewhere. I habe found over the years that my tendency has usually been to drop alot of $$ on stuff at first, or for a little while, and then my interest fades.
If I go with a more basic and introductory gun that, again, feels good to me (and of course shoots well, which I will find out some day).....then I can always upgrade or simply add another weapon to the collection.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Fyi...the gun I have always been fascinated with and "wanted" is a Colt Anaconda.
My opinion of Taurus as a company is a bit mixed. They are affordable, I will give them that, and for that reason I am open to buying their products.
When it comes to semi-auto pistols their quality is a bit hit or miss. They are either "pretty good, if not top shelf", or "this fell short of expectations". They don't make much utter crap, but nothing high end either.
I have heard good things about the PT 111 though. Honestly, my summer pistol is a Taurus 709. Cheap enough to no worry about putting wear on it, but has NEVER misfed on any ammo. It shoots strait and is easy to use.
Well, if you get that PT111, try and test shoot the exact one you're going to be buying first. Try and get at least 100 rounds through it, if you can. I think Cuda is totally right about Taurus: either you're gonna get a pretty good one, or you're going to get a really bad one. They're not a consistent manufacturer. I have a PT111 so I'm not bagging on them, so much as looking at them with fully open eyes.
Pros: Very cheap, a lot of features, decent sights, will feed any ammo I've thrown at it (from russian garbage tier to Speer +P gold dots), easy to break down, clean, and disassemble.
Cons: Not super accurate, hard to find a good holster, the magazines will rattle (I put a strip of tape on my mags to stop that), the safety is a bit awkwardly placed, trigger is very creepy and overtravels.
You won't win any marksmanship competitions with it, but I trust it well enough as a carry gun that I don't worry about getting beaten up.
So far as the Colt Anaconda, I've never shot it, but I have shot a 357 Mag that was fairly similar. I thought it would be cool but I wound up hating to shoot it, not because of the recoil but because the grips were very narrow - they were rubber overmolds over a steel frame, I think. I think a big, chunky grip is a must have on a big ol horse pistol like that. YMMV of course.
cuda1179 wrote: Quick question to you all that like forward pistol grips on your rifles, how far forward do you like them?
For clearing houses, all the way forward for me, it helps a lot to track things at such short ranges. Otherwise, depends on my firing stance, I'll put it rather far forward, and just grab the magwell when I feel more comfortable doing so.
Edit: and I absolutely can't stand AFG's, vertical all the way for me.
Well, I'm never using Steel cased ammo again. Somehow a spent casing expanded and got wedged in my AK's firing chamber good enough that the shell ejector simply cut through the lip of the shell instead of catching it and pulling it out. So I had to soak it in lube and then tap it out with a rod down the barrel. It was really wedged in there
Good news is I got a 1ft grouping on my AK at 50 yards with just iron sights.
Darn, I was slightly annoyed when I had a 3 inch group at 100m with one of my ARs (red dot). Figured I was getting old and my eyesight had gone to gak.
Grey Templar wrote: Well, I'm never using Steel cased ammo again. Somehow a spent casing expanded and got wedged in my AK's firing chamber good enough that the shell ejector simply cut through the lip of the shell instead of catching it and pulling it out. So I had to soak it in lube and then tap it out with a rod down the barrel. It was really wedged in there
Good news is I got a 1ft grouping on my AK at 50 yards with just iron sights.
What brand of AK? They were designed to handle steel cases. If it was American made they may have tighter tolerances.
A while back I bought a Ruger Mini 30, and immediately found a GREAT deal on a ton of Tula 7.62x39 ammo. I ended up getting 1500 rounds for about 12 cents per round. The problem is, I the darn steel case rounds don't always fire. The hammer isn't hitting hard enough.
So, I know I'm going to have to find a stiffer spring for the hammer, but I'm also looking for another rifle to shoot using the same ammo. The obvious choice is an AK, but is there anything else out there that is designed for steel casing? SKS is a "maybe" for me.
The SKS and AK are the obvious avenues, though attractive options have dwindled of late.
There are PTR32's, but most other 7.62x39 options arent very good or arent available. You could go upscale and look at a Galil Ace if you want a cadillac AK
Vaktathi wrote: The SKS and AK are the obvious avenues, though attractive options have dwindled of late.
There are PTR32's, but most other 7.62x39 options arent very good or arent available. You could go upscale and look at a Galil Ace if you want a cadillac AK
Oh heck, I'd love a Galil, just a little out of my budget. Ruger now makes a bolt-action 7.62x39 that takes mini-30 mags, so that's tempting. Probably go with the AK though. My only real problem with AK's is that it feels like buying a Honda Civic. Yeah, it's new and nice, but you can't really show it off to your friends like it's cool and interesting.
Alas the Bren 2 has not been made available in the US...I'd totally pick one up if they did. A Bren 805 is on my list at some point...
They haven't brought over the ARX100 7.62x39 conversion either from Italy, I don't understand why not, it's super modular from the looks of it (swap the lower and barrel which can be done with no tools in a minute).
If you're gonna go the AK route, good ones have gotten more expensive of late unfortunately, and I'd still really recommend an Arsenal. Atlantic Firearms in-house production is also pretty solid.
Ouze wrote: It might have fed badly because (i'm assuming here) you have new mags to go with your new AK, right? Mags need to be broken in usually.
One other thing I've had a lot of problem with are softpoints - I got a lot of misfeeds when I bought soft point ammo by mistake once.
My AK has never eaten anything but steel ammo and the cases haven't really been an issue.
It is a US made Riley Defense AK, and yes new mags. I don’t think it was a misfeed though. The round fired like normal but then the ejector ate through the lip of the casing, which was wedged in the chamber. I think it was a combination of a bad shell and generally poor material of that brand, which I have now seen some mixed reviews of(Tula). The Brown Bear I switched to had zero issue after that.
Yeah, Tula can be very hit and miss. I've done OK with Tula FMJ in my AK, but those soft points that wouldn't feed for gak? Those were all Tula.
I don't use Tula for any other platforms. I got a box of Tula 9mm once when I couldn't find anything else locally and was impatient, and I had about 4 dud rounds in a box of 50. Good hard primer strikes but no boom. Could not recommend.
It looks like Bump-fire stocks are about to be banned. I won't go into the politics of it here, but once they are, I think I might sell my AK. I thought it was cool when I got it, but then after switching to ARs I started really seeing the drawbacks of the platform - poor accuracy, the difficulty of mounting optics, the super-bad iron sights. Being able to turn it into a lead fire hose added some nice novelty, certainly once I added a 75 round drum. Just kind of a fun time and pretty cheap.
But if that capability goes, then the only things it really has going for it is reliability and stopping power. Those are great to have if you're actually using it for a fighting rifle, but for a midwestern safe queen, what am I supposed to do with a minute-of-bad0guy gun? My AR10 is my go-to rifle now, I think... until my stamps get approved for my Blackout.
Ouze wrote: Yeah, Tula can be very hit and miss. I've done OK with Tula FMJ in my AK, but those soft points that wouldn't feed for gak? Those were all Tula.
I don't use Tula for any other platforms. I got a box of Tula 9mm once when I couldn't find anything else locally and was impatient, and I had about 4 dud rounds in a box of 50. Good hard primer strikes but no boom. Could not recommend.
It looks like Bump-fire stocks are about to be banned. I won't go into the politics of it here, but once they are, I think I might sell my AK. I thought it was cool when I got it, but then after switching to ARs I started really seeing the drawbacks of the platform - poor accuracy, the difficulty of mounting optics, the super-bad iron sights. Being able to turn it into a lead fire hose added some nice novelty, certainly once I added a 75 round drum. Just kind of a fun time and pretty cheap.
But if that capability goes, then the only things it really has going for it is reliability and stopping power. Those are great to have if you're actually using it for a fighting rifle, but for a midwestern safe queen, what am I supposed to do with a minute-of-bad0guy gun? My AR10 is my go-to rifle now, I think... until my stamps get approved for my Blackout.
At the last carbine match I SOd guy had an AK 74 5.54 with beautiful furniture and a nice rail for optics on top. Like...no recoil.
Ouze wrote: Yeah, Tula can be very hit and miss. I've done OK with Tula FMJ in my AK, but those soft points that wouldn't feed for gak? Those were all Tula.
I don't use Tula for any other platforms. I got a box of Tula 9mm once when I couldn't find anything else locally and was impatient, and I had about 4 dud rounds in a box of 50. Good hard primer strikes but no boom. Could not recommend.
It looks like Bump-fire stocks are about to be banned. I won't go into the politics of it here, but once they are, I think I might sell my AK. I thought it was cool when I got it, but then after switching to ARs I started really seeing the drawbacks of the platform - poor accuracy, the difficulty of mounting optics, the super-bad iron sights. Being able to turn it into a lead fire hose added some nice novelty, certainly once I added a 75 round drum. Just kind of a fun time and pretty cheap.
But if that capability goes, then the only things it really has going for it is reliability and stopping power. Those are great to have if you're actually using it for a fighting rifle, but for a midwestern safe queen, what am I supposed to do with a minute-of-bad0guy gun? My AR10 is my go-to rifle now, I think... until my stamps get approved for my Blackout.
My big issues are the triggers. They generally have absolute garbage triggers. My SAM7R trigger is basically like a jack-in-the-box for finding wherever the break is, it just happens whenever sometime nebulously halfway through. Great submachinegun trigger for a Bulgarian conscript in thick winter gloves shooting bursts, bad for accurate semiautomatic fire. My SLR104 has a much better trigger with a relatively clean break, but is real gritty and is a US made part for 922r compliance and probably made to a different spec (and more favorable to aimed semiautomatic fire).
As for accuracy, that will depend a lot on caliber, ammo type, and barrel manufacturer. My SLR104 with Golden Tiger in 5.45 is easily more accurate than I can shoot from the shoulder, My SAM7R in 7.62x39 firing Tula...leaves more to be desired (the trigger really is garbage).
The big draw to an AK these days is either for collection/cool factor or you're perceiving the possibility of extreme physical abuse being inflicted on the rifle. They're no longer the cheap plinkers they once were. Both the guns and the ammo have become much more expensive over the last few years between sanctions, bans, and foreign supply issues, while home-building through build parties has had the kibosh put on it.
The most extreme trigger upgrade I've ever experienced was upgrading my Mosin Nagant to a Timney trigger. The original Mosin trigger felt like a really stiff Nerf gun made of metal instead of plastic and sliding on gritty sandpaper. The Timney trigger is all kinds of awesome. Clean break, smooth as heck.
If I do end up with an AK I hope I can find something similar.
, the fact that it is broken in multiple places complicates the question as to what exactly went wrong, but it could be any one of a number of things. Just glad it didnt fail at a really critical moment.
). All four of these weapons were found under the stage of a local American Legion hall and were missing their firing pins (all were chambered in 30.06), all four were in 80%+ condition and all four would've been excellent candidates for ATF amnesty (if they'd ever actually use it more than having papers from prior to 1968). That was about $80,000 in machine guns that dropped to about $20,000-$15,000 in parts.
murdered Half-A-Hen!
