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It was 100% Tula.

So far as a defective extractor sure, it's possible. Prior to this I didn't examine the extractor very carefully other than a quick look when cleaning, which is anther lesson learned.

Odd, I bought A LOT of tula ammo after I bought my ruger mini 30. Other than some failure to fire (before I put in a stronger spring) there really haven't been any issues or noticeable wear in my ejector. I've put about 2000 rounds out of it now.

When I get home I'll do what I should have done originally and post a picture of said extractor.

The only inexpensive 7.62 ammo I can find local for my AK is TulAmmo. Is there a better option? Academy Sports sells Fiocchi brass case 7.62, but it's .55/round compared to .27/round for TulAmmo.

Steel 7.62x39 for an AK is 100% fine, thats what they were intentionally designed around using. The only reason to use brass in an AK really is if you are reloading for fun or are at a range that does not allow steel ammo.

The extractor in question, with my Blackout's bolt for reference.

So, it's a little of column A, a little of column B - I think the break was caused by steel cased ammo because it's worn, not broken. Also note it's broken in another place as well.

However, it's a weird design, not a milspec extractor I don't think. The shell grabby part was only ever a hook, vs how a standard extractor has a shell grabby part that is the entire width of the extractor - it's got like 50% less surface area out of the gate. So, steel cases broke a part, but it was kind of a gakky part.

Brian2112 wrote:
The only inexpensive 7.62 ammo I can find local for my AK is TulAmmo. Is there a better option?

Nah. I've probably put 6,000 rounds of Tulammo through my AK and no issues at all, except when I ordered a box of soft points once by accident. My mags don't like to feed soft points.

Sheesh, that extractor has not enjoyed life , the fact that it is broken in multiple places complicates the question as to what exactly went wrong, but it could be any one of a number of things. Just glad it didnt fail at a really critical moment.

What brand extractor was that? Looks like the case was stuck, then when the extractor tried to do its job, it snapped off in two places: the lug for the extractor pin and the front hook.

This is actually common for steel cased ammo in ARs. When shooting steel cased, it's recommended that you replace the extractor around the 4500rd mark. The steel case eats into the extractor hook, which doesnt have alot of material on it in the first place. Steel case also wears out the barrel quicker - but barrels are made to be replaceable on the AR, so there's that.

Slightly off topic here, but it looks like Pennsylvania might be making gun owners a protected class of citizen in their state. It would mean employers can't discriminate against you when they hire you, promote you, position you, give you a raise, or fire you. Basically the same protections as race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.


Interesting.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Slightly off topic here, but it looks like Pennsylvania might be making gun owners a protected class of citizen in their state. It would mean employers can't discriminate against you when they hire you, promote you, position you, give you a raise, or fire you. Basically the same protections as race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.


Interesting.

why would you not hire someone because they own a gun.
what does firearms ownership do that effects how you may perform in most jobs...

 jhe90 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Slightly off topic here, but it looks like Pennsylvania might be making gun owners a protected class of citizen in their state. It would mean employers can't discriminate against you when they hire you, promote you, position you, give you a raise, or fire you. Basically the same protections as race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.


Interesting.

why would you not hire someone because they own a gun.
what does firearms ownership do that effects how you may perform in most jobs...

Oddly enough I've heard this from more than one employer that didn't know I owned firearms. Apparently working with someone that owned one made them feel "unsafe".

 cuda1179 wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Slightly off topic here, but it looks like Pennsylvania might be making gun owners a protected class of citizen in their state. It would mean employers can't discriminate against you when they hire you, promote you, position you, give you a raise, or fire you. Basically the same protections as race, religion, sexual orientation, etc.


Interesting.

why would you not hire someone because they own a gun.
what does firearms ownership do that effects how you may perform in most jobs...

Oddly enough I've heard this from more than one employer that didn't know I owned firearms. Apparently working with someone that owned one made them feel "unsafe".

Ok... not with standing that no one with any serious crimes can own a legal fire arm, anyone who has a concealed carry often has to pass a class and checks, and every gun purchase must be checked against multiple data bases...

yeah, unsafe.

It feels best to nip this discussion in the butt and keep it out of this thread.

My employer's workplace violence video features someone reporting a fellow employee to HR because he heard him talking about guns.

I let them know what I thought of their video. I'm probably now on some sort of list

Off for my club's Martini Henry competition tomorrow, including the ever-popular volley shoot on the word of command

 Slinky wrote:
Off for my club's Martini Henry competition tomorrow, including the ever-popular volley shoot on the word of command

Post pics!

 Slinky wrote:
Off for my club's Martini Henry competition tomorrow, including the ever-popular volley shoot on the word of command

I've always wanted to try the Mad Minute, but I tend to skin my left thumb if I'm not being careful with a bolt action rifle (I use my right hand to cycle the bolt, keeping my trigger hand in place, you shoot faster, but it hurts alot if you aren't careful). Yay for being a leftie!

There is a local tradition in the neighboring town that I'm glad I DON'T attend.

It's a competition involving target shooting and binge drinking. Get wasted, see if you can still hit the target. This is a town sponsored event mind you. The winner has the dubious honor of catering next year's event.

You do live in Iowa....


In all seriousness, how have there been no injuries? My biological father was a drunk, and liked to shoot. He shot himself in the leg one time, and promptly quit shooting .

 cuda1179 wrote:
There is a local tradition in the neighboring town that I'm glad I DON'T attend.

It's a competition involving target shooting and binge drinking. Get wasted, see if you can still hit the target. This is a town sponsored event mind you. The winner has the dubious honor of catering next year's event.

Why would anyone think this is a good idea?

Glad you're not getting entangled in that sort of madness

 cuda1179 wrote:
There is a local tradition in the neighboring town that I'm glad I DON'T attend.

It's a competition involving target shooting and binge drinking. Get wasted, see if you can still hit the target. This is a town sponsored event mind you. The winner has the dubious honor of catering next year's event.

Yeah, that's a whole lotta "NO!!" right there. As an RSO, Id have a stroke at that event.

I've never been there, but I somehow hope that this involves the rifle being tethered to a bench in a manner where it is physically impossible to shoot yourself or others.

One of the shooting ranges in my city has a bar. They say they have a system that prevents people who drank from shooting, but there is a reason I don't frequent that range.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Slinky wrote:
Off for my club's Martini Henry competition tomorrow, including the ever-popular volley shoot on the word of command

Post pics!

Only managed to get one half decent pic:


Unfortunately my own 130-year old MH was clicking, not banging, think it may need a new striker spring :(

I did have my M1917 out as well, and as that's only 99 years old it worked flawlessly

Very cool, looks like a lot of fun, digging the range there too!

Yesterday I stumbled into SO'ing a squad of newbs in IDPA even though I am not an SO and no one got shot, especially me!!!

 Frazzled wrote:
Yesterday I stumbled into SO'ing a squad of newbs in IDPA even though I am not an SO and no one got shot, especially me!!!

Always a plus

On another note, I happened to luck into this guy for free. Winchester 1894 NRA Centennial Musket. Not in the greatest shape, it's got some rust spots on the tang and a couple tiny rust blips on the receiver, and the side of the receiver was drilled for a rear sight, so it's collectible factor is basically nil, but for a fun (and free) range toy it's perfectly functional.



The collection as it stands now

What is that below the AKs? It is a most curious weapon

A half completed AR-15 SBR project that will eventually look something like this but is waiting on a tax stamp and a whole lot of parts (some of which are requisite on said tax stamp).

Terrific collection.