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Oh man that's a baller looking gun.

I also really like the Five Seven but $1100 is a little hard to swallow. The PMR30 is sort of a neat alternative:



Pros:
You can get it for $300-400 instead of $100
Holds 30 rounds of .22 Magnum
.22 Magnum in a 5" barrel means there is an enormous fireball every time
.22 Magnum is about .35 cents a round instead of .50 cents per round

Cons:
Can be hard to find
Exceedingly finicky about ammo - the manufacturer recommends 2 brands and literally everything else I used with it turned it into a jam-o-matic
It's pretty impossible to actually load 30 rounds into it
The stopping power of .22 Magnum isn't quite as good as 5.7
Quite inaccurate even with the recommended ammo

This was the only gun I ever sold, but it's because I bought it at a time when .22WMR was about impossible to find, especially when this needs like 2 specific brands. Ammo availability is much better now,

 Ouze wrote:
Oh man that's a baller looking gun.

I also really like the Five Seven but $1100 is a little hard to swallow. The PMR30 is sort of a neat alternative:



Pros:
You can get it for $300-400 instead of $100
Holds 30 rounds of .22 Magnum
.22 Magnum in a 5" barrel means there is an enormous fireball every time
.22 Magnum is about .35 cents a round instead of .50 cents per round

Cons:
Can be hard to find
Exceedingly finicky about ammo - the manufacturer recommends 2 brands and literally everything else I used with it turned it into a jam-o-matic
It's pretty impossible to actually load 30 rounds into it
The stopping power of .22 Magnum isn't quite as good as 5.7
Quite inaccurate even with the recommended ammo

This was the only gun I ever sold, but it's because I bought it at a time when .22WMR was about impossible to find, especially when this needs like 2 specific brands. Ammo availability is much better now,

A shop about half hour from me has one. You have to bang the bottom of the mag on a hard surface, and have thumbs of steel, but you can reliably get the full 30 in there. I've been pondering getting it since its only $350, and nobody actually shoots .22WMR out in Amish country, so its always in stock .

I don't find that thing visually appealing in any way shape or form. It's con's definitely seem to outweigh the pros as well.

Yeah, that is an ugly pistol.

Yes, it's quite ugly, and it also feels like a cheap plastic toy. Like I said, it's the only firearm I ever wound up selling.

That being said, it's the closest you'll get to a Five Seven for under a grand, and is also the least expensive pistol that can blast out 25+ giant fireballs per mag.

If you want an ugly gun that's actually desirable....



Of all those destructive devices out there, this is the one I can never find for sale anyplace for something resembling a reasonable price. 85mm AT guns, sure, but the PTRS? No. But I keep seeing them in photos from various war zones, so I guess they're still popular.

 Ouze wrote:
Yes, it's quite ugly, and it also feels like a cheap plastic toy. Like I said, it's the only firearm I ever wound up selling.

That being said, it's the closest you'll get to a Five Seven for under a grand, and is also the least expensive pistol that can blast out 25+ giant fireballs per mag.

My M1A SOCOM CQB makes a hellacious fireball. So VERY cool to shoot, but a bit more expensive per round than that .22 magnum (7.62 NATO/.308).

Also way harder to tuck into a waistband

I've heard Mosin Nagants also blow enormous fireballs. I wish I had gotten one back when they were hella cheap.

 Ouze wrote:
Oh man that's a baller looking gun.

I also really like the Five Seven but $1100 is a little hard to swallow. The PMR30 is sort of a neat alternative:



Pros:
You can get it for $300-400 instead of $100
Holds 30 rounds of .22 Magnum
.22 Magnum in a 5" barrel means there is an enormous fireball every time
.22 Magnum is about .35 cents a round instead of .50 cents per round

Cons:
Can be hard to find
Exceedingly finicky about ammo - the manufacturer recommends 2 brands and literally everything else I used with it turned it into a jam-o-matic
It's pretty impossible to actually load 30 rounds into it
The stopping power of .22 Magnum isn't quite as good as 5.7
Quite inaccurate even with the recommended ammo

This was the only gun I ever sold, but it's because I bought it at a time when .22WMR was about impossible to find, especially when this needs like 2 specific brands. Ammo availability is much better now,

NIce. I've always loved the look of the P90 and the FiveSeven, but the cost of ammo is prohibitive. If I had the money a PS90 SBR and paired FiveSeven would be in my safe.

 Ouze wrote:
Yes, it's quite ugly, and it also feels like a cheap plastic toy. Like I said, it's the only firearm I ever wound up selling.

That being said, it's the closest you'll get to a Five Seven for under a grand, and is also the least expensive pistol that can blast out 25+ giant fireballs per mag.

Well, there is another option. Get a Glock in 9mm. Get a replacement barrel chambered in .22 TCM. Have fun. It's basically a 5.56mm round cut down to be as long as a 9mm round. It's ballistics are remarkably similar to the 5.7mm, and you can still use standard glock mags for it. $400 for a Gen 3 glock and $120 for the barrel isn't too bad. If you run out of .22 TCM you can plop that 9mm barrel back in and run 9mm.

That's neato. Never heard of .22 TCM before.

So I just bought a Riley Russian Red AK47. I wanted an AR-15 Grendel, but nobody could order me one and I saw this sexy little thing in the corner. The store's ARs were also all fixed mags(gross, stupid CA)

Don't have a picture of it yet, but I found a picture of a nearly identical one. The red finish is just indescribably beautiful, it's a little darker than this picture, but close enough.

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Please keep politics out of this thread.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Don't have a picture of it yet, but I found a picture of a nearly identical one. The red finish is just indescribably beautiful, it's a little darker than this picture, but close enough.

Spoiler:

Pretty swell furniture. My AK I went with a folding wire stock, but if I could have done it over again I would love to have gotten red wood just as you have. I'm not dumping any money into swapping it though :/

 Grey Templar wrote:

That is some nice looking furniture!

Very nice. Was SOing a carbine match and guy came up with an AK74 with furniture like that. Seriously awesome.

I have a Webley nemesis, .22 for pest control

A what?

Rybrook wrote:
I have a Webley nemesis, .22 for pest control

Interesting, I never thought about air pistols escaping the '97 ban. How well does it shoot?

It actually shoots straight and still rips through aerosol cans, the grip isnt much but it works considering it age, 1993 vintage

Here's something I've always wondered about.

I don't have nearly as much experience with weapons as any of you, but I have done things like gone out with friends who like to go shoot pellet air guns, and the like. I participated, of course.

Now, here's the thing. I am right-handed. In media, I always see people use rifles with the right hand on the trigger and the weapon resting in the left. However, the opposite feels far more natural to me. Indeed, merely trying to hold it the way I see others do feels like it puts massive strain on my left wrist.

Are you supposed to hold it one way or the other for any reason?

 Ashiraya wrote:
Here's something I've always wondered about.

I don't have nearly as much experience with weapons as any of you, but I have done things like gone out with friends who like to go shoot pellet air guns, and the like. I participated, of course.

Now, here's the thing. I am right-handed. In media, I always see people use rifles with the right hand on the trigger and the weapon resting in the left. However, the opposite feels far more natural to me. Indeed, merely trying to hold it the way I see others do feels like it puts massive strain on my left wrist.

Are you supposed to hold it one way or the other for any reason?

A lot can depend on the type of grip (pistol grip, semi-pistol grip, thumbhole, straight grip, etc), however, are you cross-eye dominant? If you're right handed but left eye dominant, that can make aiming the rifle require awkward contortion unless you switch shoulders.

Rybrook wrote:
It actually shoots straight and still rips through aerosol cans, the grip isnt much but it works considering it age, 1993 vintage

Very cool, sounds fun

I am left eye dominant, yes, but this is entirely something I feel in my arms and hands.

It's totally a thing. I'm the exact same way- I write right-handed, it's my 'dextrous' hand (hur hur) but as soon as I pick up a weapon, I go southpaw, just completely naturally. Guns, hammers, swords, bows, whatever. Pistol or long-gun is the same.

For the shooting, it's also very much an aiming thing, but yeah, some people do that.

There's a reason that left-handed weapons are available.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Here's something I've always wondered about.

I don't have nearly as much experience with weapons as any of you, but I have done things like gone out with friends who like to go shoot pellet air guns, and the like. I participated, of course.

Now, here's the thing. I am right-handed. In media, I always see people use rifles with the right hand on the trigger and the weapon resting in the left. However, the opposite feels far more natural to me. Indeed, merely trying to hold it the way I see others do feels like it puts massive strain on my left wrist.

Are you supposed to hold it one way or the other for any reason?

No reason you can't hold your rifle in that manner. If a bolt action learn to reach over and cycle it like the guy in saving private ryan.Also there are some companies that make left handed bolt actions. If you have access to semi autos this is less of an issue as many of them are ambidextrous.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I am left eye dominant, yes, but this is entirely something I feel in my arms and hands.

I think that is probably the issue then. You're feeling awkward because of your vision, but it will feel like its something with your arms or hands.

You might feel better with a left handed grip, and ejecting brass could be an issue for you depending on the weapon and how you are holding it. Depends on how comfortable you are with the casings being ejected right in front of your face.

In other news, just picked up the AK. I'll go shooting with it tomorrow or on thursday. Also, I thought I was going crazy cause I thought it came with a 10rnd mag, but it seems it only came with an 8. I was thinking the mag was jamming when I was testing it out, but it was just full.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I am left eye dominant, yes, but this is entirely something I feel in my arms and hands.

I think that is probably the issue then. You're feeling awkward because of your vision, but it will feel like its something with your arms or hands.

Yep, as soon as I read his post "Left Eye Dominant" popped into my head. Had a buddy in high school with that issue, right handed but left eye dominant.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Are you supposed to hold it one way or the other for any reason?

Most firearms are developed to be shot by right handers because that is the majority of the population. It has less to do with your hands and your eyes, per se, so much as firearms have an ejection port for spent brass to be ejected out of, and that's generally going to be on the right hand side. Otherwise you get:



Not all firearms have this issue, though. Some have models designed for left handed users. Some innately can be switched to the other side pretty simply, like the Beretta ARX. Some can have a part swapped - there are left handed AR15 uppers, which you can swap with some basic tools. And some it doesn't matter at all - some rifles & shotguns eject the shells downward, and at least one rifle I am aware of has a mechanism to slide shells out of the front.

This is much less of an issue with pistols.

 Ouze wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Are you supposed to hold it one way or the other for any reason?

Most firearms are developed to be shot by right handers because that is the majority of the population. It has less to do with your hands and your eyes, per se, so much as firearms have an ejection port for spent brass to be ejected out of, and that's generally going to be on the right hand side. Otherwise you get:



Not all firearms have this issue, though. Some have models designed for left handed users. Some innately can be switched to the other side pretty simply, like the Beretta ARX. Some can have a part swapped - there are left handed AR15 uppers, which you can swap with some basic tools. And some it doesn't matter at all - some rifles shotguns eject the shells downward, and at least one rifle I am aware of has a mechanism to slide shells out of the front.

Don't most M4/M16/AR15s have that little angle piece on the upper receiver that makes the brass go more forward so left hand shooters don't have this issue?