This thread is a closed game. Please do not post here unless you are playing. Thanks!

Welcome to Game One and thanks to everyone willing to play.

Here's our roster in order of joining:

DarkHound -- Red Corsairs (CSM) -- DEAD
Morgrim Deff Dread red Edition focusedfire -- Biel-Tan (Eldar)
Admiral-Bell 1hadhq -- Cadians (IG)
Erasoketa -- Black Templars (SM) -- DEAD
focusedfire -- Saim-Hann (Eldar) -- DEAD
Shaman -- World Eaters (CSM) -- DEAD
VikingScott JohnHwangDD VikingScott -- Kraken (Nids)
Albatross ORPHANED FITZZ -- Blood Axes (Orks) -- DEAD
Emperors Faithful -- Vostroyans (IG)
Inquisitor_Syphonious Manchu Inquisitor_Syphonious JohnHwangDD Manchu -- Ulthwe (Eldar)
1hadhq -- Raven Guard (SM) -- DEAD
BrotherStynier -- Night Lords (CSM) -- DEAD
JohnHwangDD -- Zandros (Eldar) -- DEAD
Nightwatch VikingScott Nightwatch -- Freebooterz (Orks)
FITZZ -- Goffs (Orks) -- DEAD

Each player has one turn every 24 hour period beginning at 12:01AM EST each day. Use your time to plan your turns wisely, communicating with other players through PM or even in front of everyone here in the Game Thread. You can talk all the smack you like in the Game Thread (as long as you live up to Dakka's wider rules) but PLEASE keep it at the end of your post so that the next player can copy and paste the current game situation as easily as possible. ALWAYS begin your posts with a narrative describing what you're doing that turn. I would strongly recommend posting your moves/reinforcements in green and the faction you're attacking in red. Feel free to check if each others' turns are legal. We're all learning together here. Please be patient. Something I did not foresee is bound to come up. In this game, the theaters of war will have no special rules but I will still give them names to reflect the 40k setting.

Without further ado . . .

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians 15
Vostroyans 15
Blood Axes 10
Saim-Hann 10

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan 10
Zandros 10
Night Lords 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Black Templars 10
Kraken 15
Goffs 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Red Corsairs 10
Raven Guard 10
Ulthwe 10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Freebooterz 10
World Eaters 10

You may begin posting at 12:01AM EST 25 June 2010. Good luck! May the best faction SURVIVE!

Now with . . .

Possible Actions For All The Factions! (Courtesy Nightwatch)
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Space Marines

A 2 T 1 M 2/A R 1 Start 10 Max 10
Codex Astartes: Space Marines are the ultimate alpha-strike specialists but have strict limitations on their numbers. Space Marine factions may attack on the same turn as they move, but may only attack after moving. Space Marine factions may not reinforce on the same turn as attacking.

A) Move(2), Reinforce(1)
B) Move(2), Attack(2)
C) Move(1), Attack(2), Move(1)
D) Move(1), Attack(2)
E) Move(1), Reinforce(1)
F) Attack(2)

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Imperial Guard

A 3 T 3 M 1 R 2/1 Start 15 Max 20
Hammer of the Emperor: Even when dug in, the Imperial Guard can muster an amazing barrage of firepower. Imperial Guard factions may reinforce by 1 on the same turn as attacking. They may reinforce by 2 on the same turn as moving.

A) Move(1), Reinforce(2)
B) Attack(1, 1, 1), Reinforce(1)
C) Attack(1, 1, 1)

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Orks

A 1 T 1 M 1/A R 2 Start 10 Max 20
Waaaaagh!: An Ork army gathers strength with momentum, growing stronger as it charges belligerently across the stars. Ork factions may attack on the same turn as they move, but may only attack after moving. Ork factions may not reinforce on the same turn as attacking.

A) Move(1), Reinforce(2)
B) Move(1), Attack(1)
C) Attack(1)

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Eldar

A 1 T 1 M */A R 1 Start 10 Max 10
The Webway: The enigmatic Eldar slip in and out of their Webway portals, attacking where they are least expected. An Eldar faction can move from its current theater of war to any other theater, disregarding the normal movement order. Eldar factions may also attack on the same turn as they move. They may attack either before or after moving. Eldar factions may reinforce while moving on the same turn as attacking.

A) Attack(1), Move(*), Reinforce(1)
B) Move(*), Attack(1), Reinforce(1)
C) Attack(1)
D) Move(*), Reinforce(1)
E) Move(*)

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Tyranids

A 2 T 2/1 M 1 R * Start 15 Max 25
The Great Devourer: Tyranids Hive Fleets sweep through the galaxy, assimilating the biomass of their victims into new troops. Tyranid factions may inflict either two wounds on one target or one wound on two targets per Attack Action. The Tyranid faction reinforces on the same turn that it attacks rather than on a turn that it moves. Its R score is determined from attack to attack by how many targets it wounds in a given turn.

A) Move(1)
B) Attack(1, 1), Reinforce(2)
C) Attack(2), Reinforce(1)
D) Attack(1, 1)--but only if already at maximum wounds
E) Attack(2)--but only if already at maximum wounds

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Chaos Space Marines

A 1 T 1 M 1/A R 1 Start 10 Max 15
Legions of the Warp: The predations of Chaos Space Marine warbands are aided both by the denizens and the deceptions of the Immaterium. Chaos Space Marine factions may attack on the same turn as they move, either before or after they move. Chaos Space Marine factions may reinforce while moving on the same turn as attacking.

A) Move(1), Attack(1), Reinforce(1)
B) Attack(1), Move(1), Reinforce(1)
C) Attack(1)
D) Move(1), Reinforce(1)
E) Move(1)

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Red Corsairs Move down 1 and Reinforce 1.

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians 15
Vostroyans 15
Blood Axes 10
Saim-Hann 10

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan 10
Zandros 10
Night Lords 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Black Templars 10
Kraken 15
Goffs 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Raven Guard 10
Ulthwe 10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Freebooterz 10
World Eaters 10
Red Corsairs 11

Excuess me Boyz, just moving through. Hey Shaman, how about a little pact? You don't hit me, and I'll put up some icons of Khorne.

Legal Actions for each Army

(thx Nightwatch)

Night Lords move to Ultramar, attack the Black Templars and reinforce.

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians 15
Vostroyans 15
Blood Axes 10
Saim-Hann 10

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan 10
Zandros 10
Night Lords 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Black Templars 9(10)
Kraken 15
Goffs 10
Night Lords 11(10)

Eye of Terror (delta)
Raven Guard 10
Ulthwe 10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Freebooterz 10
World Eaters 10
Red Corsairs 11

I did do that correctly right?

I think so. Hope I'm right here.

Vostroyans Attack Blood Axes 1, Attack Saim-Hann 1, Reinforce 1.

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians 15
Vostroyans 16
Blood Axes 9
Saim-Hann 9

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan 10
Zandros 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Black Templars 9(10)
Kraken 15
Goffs 10
Night Lords 11(10)

Eye of Terror (delta)
Raven Guard 10
Ulthwe 10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Freebooterz 10
World Eaters 10
Red Corsairs 11

Hang on, NYou meant to move Night Lords from Iyaden right? I'll delete them from my post there and I suggest you do the same if they're now in Ultramar.

I'm moving my two spaces to Armageddon, and take care of that greenskins.

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Vostroyans (IG) 16
Blood Axes (Orks) 7
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 9
Black Templars (SM) 9

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Zandros (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 15
Goffs (Orks) 10
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Freebooterz (Orks) 10
World Eaters (CSM) 10
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11

Zandros moves from Iyanden to Eye of Terror and attacks Raven Guard (10 -> 9).

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Vostroyans (IG) 16
Blood Axes (Orks) 7
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 9
Black Templars (SM) 9

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 15
Goffs (Orks) 10
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Raven Guard (SM) 9 -!
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Freebooterz (Orks) 10
World Eaters (CSM) 10
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11

Kraken attacks Goffs (2) and reinforces (2)

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Vostroyans (IG) 16
Blood Axes (Orks) 7
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 9
Black Templars (SM) 9

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 16
Goffs Orks) 8
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Raven Guard (SM) 9 -!
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Freebooterz (Orks) 10
World Eaters (CSM) 10
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11

"Er, Boss? We'z gettin' shot up! We comes back later with more nobz!"



My boys are having it away on their toes Bloodaxe-style...

Bloodaxes move 1 to Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus and reinforce 2.

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Vostroyans (IG) 16
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 9
Black Templars (SM) 9

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 17
Goffs Orks) 8
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Raven Guard (SM) 9
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Freebooterz (Orks) 10
World Eaters (CSM) 10
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9

JohnHwangDD wrote:Legal Actions for each Army

(thx Nightwatch)

This is very good but please see my corrections further down in that thread. For example, if Nids attack only one taregt they can reinforce themselves by one only even though they have done two points of damage. So Kraken should currently be at 16 rather than 17 in this game. I understand there has been some confusion regarding "EST," which stands for Eastern Standard Time. Most simply this just means New York time. Dakka will allow you to set your time to this if it helps you keep track. If you prefer tot keep your Dakka clock at your local time, you can still pretty easily calculate the EST. I'd rather not be relied on to post at one minute past midnight every turn.

Right I'll go edit my post. Sorry

No problem, VScott. What a furious first turn by the way. Just a reminder to those who have not posted: if you miss a turn, you've forfeited it entirely (i.e., no "late moves" will be accepted). So get your post up in the next seventeen hours. In other news, I'd love to know what kind of back room deals are going on right now. Good luck to all!

Manchu wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Legal Actions for each Army

(thx Nightwatch)

This is very good but please see my corrections further down in that thread. For example, if Nids attack only one taregt they can reinforce themselves by one only even though they have done two points of damage. So Kraken should currently be at 16 rather than 17 in this game. I understand there has been some confusion regarding "EST," which stands for Eastern Standard Time. Most simply this just means New York time. Dakka will allow you to set your time to this if it helps you keep track. If you prefer tot keep your Dakka clock at your local time, you can still pretty easily calculate the EST. I'd rather not be relied on to post at one minute past midnight every turn.

So it was 06:01 in the morning in the Spanish time, not 18:01. My bad, I didn't calculate it properly.

Cap'n Nottwotch of the Freebooterz hitches up his ship and harpoons a void whale...and sails to the Eye of Terror.
Move to delta. Reinforce 2.


Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Vostroyans (IG) 16
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 9
Black Templars (SM) 9

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 17
Goffs Orks) 8
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Raven Guard (SM) 9
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 10
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9

Saim Hann returns the Imperiums attack to a different part of its body. Then rests after it moves to support its Kin in the Eye of Terror


Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Vostroyans (IG) 16
Black Templars (SM) 8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 17
Goffs Orks) 8
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Raven Guard (SM) 9
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 12
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 10
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9

Raven Guard sets course to Armageddon.


-1st jumppoint: Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
-2nd jumppoint: Armageddon (alpha)
-RG reinforces.



Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Vostroyans (IG) 16
Black Templars (SM) 8
Raven Guard (SM) 10

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10


Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 17
Goffs Orks) 8
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 12
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 10
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9

Praise Khorne! World Eaters move to the Armageddon, reinforce and attack Black Templars.


Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Vostroyans (IG) 16
Black Templars (SM) 7
Raven Guard (SM) 10
World Eaters (CSM) 11

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 17
Goffs Orks) 8
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 12
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 10[/color]



Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9

Hopefully my psycho surgery allowed me to perform that correctly.

Edit need to alter as I have been ninjha'd

Edit finished Current move shown.

Shaman wrote:Praise Khorne! World Eaters move to the eye of terror, reinforce and attack raven guard.


Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Vostroyans (IG) 16
Black Templars (SM) 8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 17
Goffs Orks) 8
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Raven Guard (SM) 8
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 12
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 10[/color]
World Eaters (CSM) 11


Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9

Hopefully my psycho surgery allowed me to perform that correctly.

Youre too slow.

We move in shadows Or 7 minutes to be precise.

I know lucky for you.. New move now shown. Also stop looking bewildered destroy the imperials!

Shaman wrote:I know lucky for you.. New move now shown. Also stop looking bewildered destroy the imperials!

How did you get to Armageddon with M=1 ??

SM are M=2, CSM are not.

I finished editing the possible moves (for the last time, I hope!) Link found here.

Argh! I'll wait for the silliness to be over.

I'm confused did I do something wrong?

Epsilon where I started to Alpha is one move no?

If its wrong I'll just forfeit my turn and people can continue..

What is 1hadhq's quote by shaman about?

Looking through the thread, I see world eaters in three different places?

Shaman wrote:I'm confused did I do something wrong?

Epsilon where I started to Alpha is one move no?

If its wrong I'll just forfeit my turn and people can continue..

No, it seems what you did was right. You were on Epsilon, but moved to Delta to attack the Raven Guard. Due to posting difficulties with timing, you were unable to do that, and changed your move to Alpha, and attacked the Raven Guard there instead, a legal move.

First you went from E to D. This was unsuccessful, you changed from E to A.

We're all good, let the game continue!

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:What is 1hadhq's quote by shaman about?

Looking through the thread, I see world eaters in three different places?

Just fixed that up, pretend he didn't quote it.

Thanx night watch.

Edit: Nevermind. I see Nightwatch already handled this superbly. This is the kind of self-modding I was hoping for. Good job all! Nightwatch, I will post your possible move summary in the Game Thread OP when I get home from work.

Aha!

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Vostroyans (IG) 16
Black Templars (SM) 7
Raven Guard (SM) 10
World Eaters (CSM) 11

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10 ...
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 17
Goffs Orks) 8
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9

Orkz have no place in the eye of terror!

Eldar have a maximum wound capability of 10.

Touche, all I could think of was bolstering.

Fixed the illegal post.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:Aha!

Freebooterz (Orks) 11

Orkz have no place in the eye of terror!

Aargh! I've been hit! Quick, deploy the warp tracking squig!

Sorry for the confusion.

But EoT full of eldar and World Eaters coming from somewhere else .....

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Vostroyans (IG) 16
Black Templars (SM) 7
Raven Guard (SM) 10
World Eaters (CSM) 11

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 16
Goffs Orks) 8
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9

This is the current board. The last post had an error: Hive Fleet Kraken had 17 wounds.

Yeah, VikingScott edited after Albatross quoted the bad post.

Manchu wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Legal Actions for each Army

This is very good but please see my corrections further down in that thread.

If you edit the first post with Legal Actions for reference, I will gladly remove this link.
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1hadhq wrote:Raven Guard sets course to Armageddon.


-1st jumppoint: Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
-2nd jumppoint: Armageddon (alpha)
-RG reinforces.

Are the locations on a ring (A-E connect) or a line (A & E are endpoints)?

If they're a ring then M2 armies like SM have effectively unlimited movement. Was that the intent?

Or are SM starting at B only able to reach E, C & D?

On a ring.

From page 1 of the gathering thread:

Think of these theaters represented by circles arranged together in a pentagon. The space between each circle requires movement. For example, moving between alpha and beta or between epsilon and alpha requires M1 while moving between alpha and gamma or delta and alpha requires M2.

I agree with Shaman.

@ john: the movement of those following the restrictions isn't unlimited like that of no restrictions.....

Good catch on the SM. Would make a difference in games with more theaters. Even here it affects strafing deployments. I think the next game will be on a line.

@Manchu-I was going to ask about this, The ring setup gives an inordinate advantage to a move 2 and attack 2 army.

Now, I am getting a little confused with all of the talk of revisions. Could you edit the original post to show the current army abiliries as they stand for this game?

Manchu hasn't revised any abilities mid game. From what I gather they will occur in the next game.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Manchu wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Legal Actions for each Army

This is very good but please see my corrections further down in that thread.

If you edit the first post with Legal Actions for reference, I will gladly remove this link.
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1hadhq wrote:Raven Guard sets course to Armageddon.


-1st jumppoint: Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
-2nd jumppoint: Armageddon (alpha)
-RG reinforces.

Are the locations on a ring (A-E connect) or a line (A & E are endpoints)?

If they're a ring then M2 armies like SM have effectively unlimited movement. Was that the intent?

Or are SM starting at B only able to reach E, C & D?

It's now edited to the way Manchu wanted it. However, we could definitely use the abilities posted on the first thread, it would really help.

Manchu wrote:Good catch on the SM. Would make a difference in games with more theaters.

Correct. With 5 (or fewer) points on a ring, SM have effectively unlimited M.

With 6 (or more) points on a ring, SM would have 1 (or more) points they cannot reach.
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focusedfire wrote:Now, I am getting a little confused with all of the talk of revisions. Could you edit the original post to show the current army abiliries as they stand for this game?

I second this request - it would be immensely helpful if the first post contained *all* of the Rules so that we did not have to refer back to the original thread.

Where are the moves of those still missing to post?

I see there a lot of requests for rules-changes, so do we still have a game or are we back to the comments thread?

I don't see any rules changes, although I would suggest that we amend notation as follows:

? not-yet-gone (army)
* taken-turn (army)

Easy to see who's gone and who's not.


Thus:

Armageddon (alpha)
? Cadians (IG) 15
* Vostroyans (IG) 16
* Black Templars (SM) 7
* Raven Guard (SM) 10
* World Eaters (CSM) 11

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
* Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
? Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
* Kraken (Nids) 16
? Goffs Orks) 8
* Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
* Zandros (Eldar) 10
* Freebooterz (Orks) 11
* Saim-Hann (Eldar) 10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
* Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
* Blood Axes (Orks) 9

As I see it, only Cadians, Biel Tan, and Goffs still haven't taken their turn.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I don't see any rules changes, although I would suggest that we amend notation as follows:

? not-yet-gone (army)
# taken-turn (army)

Easy to see who's gone and who's not.

WHO resets the notations at the next turn?
Seems Manchu doesn't want to post " turn X = now" and I doubt everyone likes to edit the list if s/he is the first to post in the next turn.

The has/hasn't gone notation doesn't seem helpful enough to merit the effort. But I leave the decision in your collective hands. There wasn't a great deal of rules commentary in the first thread so I thought we might as well get started with this one as a play test. No rules changes until it becomes apparent that something is really broken--as per the decision regarding Eldar and CSM in the Interest Thread. I welcome the commentary, however.

Holy crap. First, you want to know who hasn't gone, and I pull it together, and now you say it's too much effort? :eyeroll:

It takes not much time to replace "*" with "?".

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Vostroyans (IG) 16
Black Templars (SM) 7
Raven Guard (SM) 10
World Eaters (CSM) 11

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 16
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Saim Hann (Eldar)9
Goff Orks)8

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9


Hmmm? for some reason the color function didn't work...or I flubbed it.

Anyway,I've moved to The Eye of Terror and attacked the Saim-Hann...WAAAAGHH!

JohnHwangDD wrote:Holy crap. First, you want to know who hasn't gone, and I pull it together, and now you say it's too much effort? :eyeroll:

It takes not much time to replace "*" with "?".

Lolwat?

World Eaters attack Black Templars, move to Epsilon and reinforce.


Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Vostroyans (IG) 16
Black Templars (SM) 6
Raven Guard (SM) 10

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 16
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Saim Hann (Eldar)9
Goff Orks)8

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9
World Eaters (CSM) 12

Hopefully don't get ninja'd again.

FITZZ you have to put the tags around the words I quoted yours and you hadn't thats why it didn't work...

OP edited to include faction rules, possible actions list from Nightwatch, as well as a score summary for Turn One. Chaos did a pretty nice job, I'd say.

Thanks, Manchu - very helpful!

'Scuse me, coming through.

Vostroyans Move 1 to Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus, Reinforce 2.


Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Black Templars (SM) 6
Raven Guard (SM) 10

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 16
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Saim Hann (Eldar)9
Goff Orks)8

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18

Saim Hann moves to amegeddon, attacks Black Templars and reinforces


Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Black Templars (SM) 5
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)10

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Kraken (Nids) 16
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff Orks)8

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18

Hive Fleet Kraken moves to Beta


Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Black Templars (SM) 5
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)10

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff Orks)8

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18

Raven guard attacks Saim Hann

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Black Templars (SM) 5
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar) 8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff Orks)8

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18


@ former brethren of the misguided legions: May I remind you how valuable eldar souls are as sacrifices to your masters?
Think about it.

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Black Templars (SM) 5
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff Orkz)10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18


Goff Orks reinforced

@1hadhq-Your vote is not legal in that you did not move.

Honestly, he can move one space down, then move once space back up and attack so it doesn't matter. What does matter is that Fitzz hasn't moved, which makes his reinforcing illegal. Reinforcing is tied to movement, as per the main rules. The only races that can reinforce while stationary and the Tyranids and Imperial Guard, but only if they're also attacking.

@Darkhound-Yes, it does matter because:

1)Then he needs to show his moves.

2)The examples need to indicate that the SM's can bounce/yo-yo in that manner

3)The examples do not match the Attack profile
a)Which is it? 1 attack or 2?
b)On one target or two?

4)The impression that I got from Manchu is that the SM's get the 2 Attacks because they are stronger on the move.

If the SM's are essentially staying in the same place then they should not get both of their attacks or should have to spread their attacks around to indicate that this was not a surgical strike,but instead that they have become embroiled in a ground war.

I move my kicked ass to the Epsilon campaign and reinforce 1

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff Orkz)10

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Black Templars (SM) 6

That is an awesome suggestion, and I think it should be a part of the game, but I believe Manchu was adamante about not changing the rules mid-game.

focusedfire wrote:2)The examples need to indicate that the SM's can bounce/yo-yo in that manner

This was discussed in the original thread. It was called "strafing runs" and was endorsed by Manchu, atleast for this iteration of the game.

3)The examples do not match the Attack profile
a)Which is it? 1 attack or 2?
b)On one target or two?

This is adressed in the main rules. Space Marines have 2 Attacks, and 1 Target (the stat represented by T). They can only ever deal 2 damage to one target.

4)The impression that I got from Manchu is that the SM's get the 2 Attacks because they are stronger on the move.

Like I said, Manchu supported SM strafing runs on the last thread.

DarkHound wrote:That is an awesome suggestion, and I think it should be a part of the game, but I believe Manchu was adamante about not changing the rules mid-game.

Thank you, I occasionally have a bright idea or two.

DarkHound wrote:This was discussed in the original thread. It was called "strafing runs" and was endorsed by Manchu, atleast for this iteration of the game.

I was the one who asked about strafing. Was not clear on if the SM's could yo-yo. There is a difference in that the strafing run would imply linear movement(Strafing while moving through to a more distant theater of operations). The yo-yo attack would be better saved for a set of Tau rules.

DarkHound wrote:This is adressed in the main rules. Space Marines have 2 Attacks, and 1 Target (the stat represented by T). They can only ever deal 2 damage to one target.

I understand this, I was pointing out that the example for the SM's methods of attacks does not seem to accurately portray the 2 attacks.

Honestly, I intended everyone to be able to stay put and attack so 1hadhq's move is perfectly legal--I think this also invalidates the yo-yo question, right?. There is a lot of discomfort with the "strafing" ability of the Marines and I am open to suggestions about whether this should stay or go or how it should work otherwise. I am definitely keen on the SM only getting A2T1 after a move and being A1T1 if they stay. I'm extremely hesitant to change rules mid-game although I understand that clarifying my intentions sometimes has roughly the same impact. If you guys think that anything is severely out-of-whack here then please offer suggested "fixes" and I will post a poll to this thread so that everyone can vote. That vote will be for whether the rule gets "fixed" during this game and won't be binding on the rules discussion we'll have after this game ends.

Here is a list of "fixes" I am interested in right now:

- CSM only reinforcing on moves to attack
- Eldar having Start 5 Max 10
- SM A2T1 after a move, A1T1 without moving
- SM losing strafe (although I don't think it is particularly well suited to Tau, either)
- Making the playing field (the collection of theaters) linear rather than having movement in a ring

Additionally, FITZZ's turn was indeed illegal. Orks MUST move in order to reinforce. FITZZ's move does not count and will be treated as if it did not happen.

The game thus stands at:

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff (Orks) 8

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Black Templars (SM) 6

@FITZZ: You may retake your turn at anytime before today's turn ends.

DarkHound wrote:Honestly, he can move one space down, then move once space back up and attack so it doesn't matter.

No, he can't.

Per the first post, SMs can:
1. Move (1) and Attack (2), or
2. Move (2) and Attack (2),

The attack in question was:
1. Attack (2) -- ILLEGAL,
2. Move (0) and Attack (2) -- ILLEGAL,
3. Move (1), Move (1), and Attack(2) -- NOT A LEGAL MOVE

Therefore, Raven Guard move is either illegal or not allowed.

If the intent was a circular "strafing run", then SM can hit one of the adjacent armies and return back. That's Move (1) adjacent, Attack (2), and Move (1) back.
____

Or, the rules can be "clarified"... However, if this is the intent, then SM "may only attack after moving" should be changed to "may not attack before moving"

Manchu wrote:Honestly, I intended everyone to be able to stay put and attack so 1hadhq's move is perfectly legal

Here is a list of "fixes" I am interested in right now:

IMO, most of this stuff belongs in the Rules thread. However, as the Referee, if you're going to make any changes to the Locations (A-E at ends vs connected), SM move, do so today, before the game gets going any further.

However, if you're changing the Eldar to Start 5, that's a pretty big change in the game, and I'd suggest that all other armies get a -5 "hit" to their starting values as well...

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Zandros (Eldar)9
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff (Orks) 8

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Black Templars (SM) 6

Goff Orks attack Zandros Eldar.

Zandros moves to Epsilon, attacks Black Templars (6 -> 5), reinforces (9 -> 10)

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff (Orks) 8

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Black Templars (SM) 5 ---
Zandros (Eldar) 10 <<<

@FITZZ: Did you take a turn there or just re-set? Nevermind! Thanks for re-taking your move so quickly!

@John: No changes without more discussion. If people get talkative then we can have a change, otherwise it will just have to wait. Ring movement will not change in this game. Eldar Start will not change in this game.

@all: I have updated the comprehensiveness of OP to reflect this discussion regarding SM. Game Thread OP is now more "current" than the Interest Thread. I'm sorry that the Game Thread is being cluttered with rules chat but I think that's okay for the test run at least and may be acceptable later as well, given that this game is supposed to eventually be player-modded anyway.

Thanks again for everyone helping and being patient!

Additionally: Deff Dread red Edition is taking over Biel-Tan for Morgrim, who is suffering through tech problems at the moment.

OK, thanks. We'll just play it out and see how it goes.

You guys hate me, right?

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff (Orks) 8

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Black Templars (SM) 4
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Crusade!

Armageddon (alpha)
Cadians (IG) 15
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff (Orks) 8

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Black Templars (SM) 3---
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10

Sorry Erasoketa.

Armageddon (alpha)
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff (Orks) 8

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 9
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Black Templars (SM) 3
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Death to traitor Chaos scum!!!!

(I move from alpha to epsilon and reinforce by 2)

Erasoketa wrote:You guys hate me, right?

Not at all. But you're just looking awfully weak...

Right now, I'm just upset that a CSM is probably going to beat the Eldar at taking the first Imp head.

'We needs more time to build the Waaaagh... Set a course for Da Big Swirly Fing.'

Bloodaxes move to Eye of Terror and reinforce 2.


Armageddon (alpha)
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff (Orks) 8
Blood Axes (Orks) 11

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Black Templars (SM) 3
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Love the ork commentary. Both night watch and albatross.

Sorry for the delay, but my presence was needed somewhere.

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So to answer the confusion:

focusedfire wrote:@1hadhq-Your vote is not legal in that you did not move.

focusedfire wrote:@Darkhound-Yes, it does matter because:

1)Then he needs to show his moves.

2)The examples need to indicate that the SM's can bounce/yo-yo in that manner

3)The examples do not match the Attack profile
a)Which is it? 1 attack or 2?
b)On one target or two?

4)The impression that I got from Manchu is that the SM's get the 2 Attacks because they are stronger on the move.

If the SM's are essentially staying in the same place then they should not get both of their attacks or should have to spread their attacks around to indicate that this was not a surgical strike,but instead that they have become embroiled in a ground war.

I think the OP handled your questions.
BTW, the outcome wasn't unexpected.

Manchu wrote:Honestly, I intended everyone to be able to stay put and attack so 1hadhq's move is perfectly legal--I think this also invalidates the yo-yo question, right?. There is a lot of discomfort with the "strafing" ability of the Marines and I am open to suggestions about whether this should stay or go or how it should work otherwise. I am definitely keen on the SM only getting A2T1 after a move and being A1T1 if they stay. I'm extremely hesitant to change rules mid-game although I understand that clarifying my intentions sometimes has roughly the same impact. If you guys think that anything is severely out-of-whack here then please offer suggested "fixes" and I will post a poll to this thread so that everyone can vote. That vote will be for whether the rule gets "fixed" during this game and won't be binding on the rules discussion we'll have after this game ends.

Here is a list of "fixes" I am interested in right now:

- CSM only reinforcing on moves to attack
- Eldar having Start 5 Max 10
- SM A2T1 after a move, A1T1 without moving
- SM losing strafe (although I don't think it is particularly well suited to Tau, either)
- Making the playing field (the collection of theaters) linear rather than having movement in a ring

@ Manchu: Well put and I am happy you cleared this mess.

The answer to SM depends on the intent.
If you want to make them a pointless choice, then yes cut their movement and attacks.
They have actually 0 resilence to focused attacks as the BT could be an example of.

Question should be:
- is moving mandatory?
- is attacking mandatory?
- is reinforcing mandatory?
- is a move possible from a to b and back to a? Or just a to b to c?
- is it possible to move 1 instead of 2?
- do you move in a linear setup from a to x without changing the direction before hitting x ?
- do we need more theatres to get some empty spaces and safe harbors ( maybe not that safe...)?

I think the SM get 2 attacks but cannot reinforce in the same turn. So lack of reinforcement is a trade off of the 2 attacks.
- how do you compensate a M = 0 / A = 1 ?

Strafing runs could be A = 1. But to stay and to fight should not lead to A -1, as making a stand is supported in the background.
Remember they already forfeit to reinforce in doing so.


The linear setup has some big disadvantages for the M1 factions.
How should they catch a unbound faction like eldar? Slowly follow them?

I'd rather have a bigger playground, leaving places unihabitated, but still a ring as its pretty much impossible for M1 factions to get
across dozens of theathres in a acceptable time.

Maybe to move, attack and reinforce is the issue, and everyone except nids should have to choose between attack and reinforce.
As the ability to do all 3 in any favored order plus unrestricted movement seem to be the real problem here.

Example:

2 players can A 1 R 1 each turn. both will hit each other in a endless stalemate as both will regenerate any wounds.

If they can't attack and Recover, their wounds will go down so the game ends.
If they can regain any lost wound, they will run in circles until one player gets bored and concedes.
Without an advantage in wounds at the beginning, its unlikely to win this scenario.

I still believe this is some sort of test run and therefore imperfect.
But I also agree with the referee that we don't need rules-changes mid-game.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

DarkHound wrote:Honestly, he can move one space down, then move once space back up and attack so it doesn't matter.

No, he can't.

Per the first post, SMs can:
1. Move (1) and Attack (2), or
2. Move (2) and Attack (2),

The attack in question was:
1. Attack (2) -- ILLEGAL,
2. Move (0) and Attack (2) -- ILLEGAL,
3. Move (1), Move (1), and Attack(2) -- NOT A LEGAL MOVE

Therefore, Raven Guard move is either illegal or not allowed.

If the intent was a circular "strafing run", then SM can hit one of the adjacent armies and return back. That's Move (1) adjacent, Attack (2), and Move (1) back.

Manchu wrote:Honestly, I intended everyone to be able to stay put and attack so 1hadhq's move is perfectly legal

Answered from the OP.

Why do you insist on illegal if it is me, John?
If there is an issue take it to PM.
Thought I was clear, when I offered to fill ANY position/faction in this thread.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

However, if you're changing the Eldar to Start 5, that's a pretty big change in the game, and I'd suggest that all other armies get a -5 "hit" to their starting values as well...

Didn't Manchu say NO mid-game changes?
So why should everyone beeen hit, again?

Manchu wrote:
@all: I have updated the comprehensiveness of OP to reflect this discussion regarding SM. Game Thread OP is now more "current" than the Interest Thread. I'm sorry that the Game Thread is being cluttered with rules chat but I think that's okay for the test run at least and may be acceptable later as well, given that this game is supposed to eventually be player-modded anyway.

Thanks again for everyone helping and being patient!

Additionally: Deff Dread red Edition is taking over Biel-Tan for Morgrim, who is suffering through tech problems at the moment.

Welcome Deff dread, and welcome Admiral Bell

In between raids on the planets of the Ultramar Sector the Night Lords realize their prey and allies have left them alone. The Captain decides to make haste to Eye of Terror to assist their Ork allies in preparation for the Waagh!. While in the Great Eye, the Captain dispatches his Executive Officer to recruit new warriors.

Night Lords move from Ultramar to the Eye of Terror and Reinforce.


Armageddon (alpha)
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Night Lords (CSM) 11

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff (Orks) 8
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Black Templars (SM) 3
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

1. To be very clear, the OP *changed* the rules to allow SM to attack without moving. While that may have been the intent, it was NOT allowed by the rules as he originally stated ("Space Marine factions may attack on the same turn as they move, but may only attack after moving"). At the time of your move, it was an illegal move not allowed by the rules in effect at that time. Since then, the SM gained the ability to attack in place.

2. Linear setup simply means that M1 armies are reactive. M*/A Eldar vs M1 Guard works like this:
- Eldar move to Guard & attack; Guard counter-attack
- Guard attack; Eldar counter-attack & move away.
Either way, M1 armies trade hits with faster armies, just that they never have the initiative. M1 armies simply Reinforce until an attacker appears, then Attack.

For a M1 army, it makes no difference whether the game is on a ring or a line, as they're slow. For a M2 army, 5 locations on a ring is ideal because they get unlimited movement for free.

1hadhq wrote:*A bunch childish, instigative, self-important and unnecessary redundant answers to a topic that had already been handled.

At the time of your attack as per the rules at that time, your move was illegal. I simply pointed this out.

When questioned by Darkhound, I pointed out the problems with how the rules were written and how the example did not fit the RAW and needed amending to allow for such attacks. Manchu must have felt that I had a point because the rules were ammended.

I have not made a big stink over this, I have not asked for an adjustment to my points over something that has become the first in-game rules change, so I would appreciate it if you stoppoed acting as if this was personal.


@ Manchu- 1hadhq did make a valid point somewhere in that post of his. It has to do with the ability of some to do all three actions in their turn. A game that came down to two of the same faction in this case would be a draw. I feel that standing still or moving to an empty theater of battle could help fix this.

I disagree with 1hadhq on the proposed changes to the SM. IMO, I'd like ro see them get the 2 attacks on the move and the 1 attack & 1 re-inforce when remaining stationary as per my suggestion above.

Just an idea.

@ff: no, the rule "may only attack after moving" were very clear. If you don't move, you can't attack. Move is to a new location, or it'd be there'd be no point to the rule being there. As originally stated, SM *must* move in order to attack. It is a very clear precondition of movement to allow an attack.

For whatever reason, the OP changed the SM rules.

JohnHwangDD wrote:1. To be very clear, the OP *changed* the rules to allow SM to attack without moving. While that may have been the intent, it was NOT allowed by the rules as he originally stated ("Space Marine factions may attack on the same turn as they move, but may only attack after moving"). At the time of your move, it was an illegal move not allowed by the rules in effect at that time. Since then, the SM gained the ability to attack in place.

Sorry, you interpret the rues the way you want them to be read.
There is and was no mandatory move.
Attack after moving isn't different from forfeiting the move and attack.
Now If I did move away, come back and attack would that change anything? NO?


Why do I see no useful reply here but shouting at Darkhound and questionable claims of changes?
My offer to resolve this still stands.

focusedfire wrote:

1hadhq wrote:*A bunch childish, instigative, self-important and unnecessary redundant answers to a topic that had already been handled.

Cool , another impolite and unneccessary call. Can't get over yourself...

focusedfire wrote:At the time of your attack as per the rules at that time, your move was illegal. I simply pointed this out.

When questioned by Darkhound, I pointed out the problems with how the rules were written and how the example did not fit the RAW and needed amending to allow for such attacks. Manchu must have felt that I had a point because the rules were ammended.

I have not made a big stink over this, I have not asked for an adjustment to my points over something that has become the first in-game rules change, so I would appreciate it if you stopped acting as if this was personal.

A rules change?
Sadly, you can't afford to accept the decision as what it is and need to call it a rules change.
Keep on assuming this is YMDC and RAW. I heard its not.
I for one still go with a set of (alpha , beta? ) version of rules, to be tested and had fun with.


@ both: another thread to be ruined ? Really?

You guys need to chill this isn't a GW game the intent can clearly be told to us by Manchu. Looking at when he first broke down all of Chaos' options makes it pretty clear that he intended everyone be able to attack without movement. And the first page now says so. There is no issue.

Or you gonna suggest chaos was just special.

1hadhq wrote:Cool , another impolite and unneccessary call. Can't get over yourself...

No, just tired of dealing with someone who constantly comes across as a spoiled child that insists upon turning molehills into mountains.

By your own words of your first reply on this matter you acknowledged that Manchu had already dealt with the matter so your comments that amounted to an I told you so were completely false(as in you had not made a prior claim of veracity) and were clearly unnecessary.

I find it sad that you seem to prefer such behavior rather than behaving like a mature male of the species.

1hadhq wrote:

focusedfire wrote:At the time of your attack as per the rules at that time, your move was illegal. I simply pointed this out.

When questioned by Darkhound, I pointed out the problems with how the rules were written and how the example did not fit the RAW and needed amending to allow for such attacks. Manchu must have felt that I had a point because the rules were ammended.

I have not made a big stink over this, I have not asked for an adjustment to my points over something that has become the first in-game rules change, so I would appreciate it if you stopped acting as if this was personal.

A rules change?
Sadly, you can't afford to accept the decision as what it is and need to call it a rules change.
Keep on assuming this is YMDC and RAW. I heard its not.
I for one still go with a set of (alpha , beta? ) version of rules, to be tested and had fun with.

You keep assuming this is your thread and seek to impose your rather narrow or limited view of what "you think" it is and what "you think" has happened regardless of the reality of the situation.
The reality is that a rule was ammended to allow/clarify that your action was legal where as it was worded before your action was not. In this cas rule amendment = rule change.

I have never made the assumption that this was a YMDC thread. But you "ASSUMED" that I had. Please take your asumpyions elswhere. This is an alpha version of a game where its creator has asked for us to find the problems wihin both the system and the rules themselves. Are you aware of how childish you come across as when you argue about others posters points and suggestions but but can't handle it when someone disagree's with yours?

Funny, I have been having fun all along, so maybe you aren't the only one that will be enjoying themselves here. Unless, that is your goal. To prevent others from having fun. From a psycological perspective your last two lines would indicate that your end goal is to be the spoiler. Here look at your last line:

1hadhq wrote:@ both: another thread to be ruined ? Really?

It is sad that you would rather offer to ruin a thread rather than cooperate with everyone else simply because they disagree with you.

I ask that you refrain from this threat, but because I've seen this request fall on deaf ears for two other threads I hold little hope for an improvement in your behavior here.


I'll now go back to contributing to the games developement. If you want to continue with your pointless arguements then take them to someone else, maybe John. He seems to have the time to waste on you.

focusedfire wrote:If you want to continue with your pointless arguements then take them to someone else, maybe John. He seems to have the time to waste on you.

I really don't think I have ever done anything so heinous to you as to deserve 1hadhqing, but if I did, I apologize.

focusedfire wrote:

1hadhq wrote:Cool , another impolite and unneccessary call. Can't get over yourself...

No, just tired of dealing with someone who constantly comes across as a spoiled child that insists upon turning molehills into mountains.

I find it sad that you seem to prefer such behavior rather than behaving like a mature male of the species.


You keep assuming this is your thread and seek to impose your rather narrow or limited view of what "you think" it is and what "you think" has happened regardless of the reality of the situation.
The reality is that a rule was ammended to allow/clarify that your action was legal where as it was worded before your action was not. In this cas rule amendment = rule change.

Are you aware of how childish you come across as when you argue about others posters points and suggestions but but can't handle it when someone disagree's with yours?

Funny, I have been having fun all along, so maybe you aren't the only one that will be enjoying themselves here. Unless, that is your goal. To prevent others from having fun. From a psycological perspective your last two lines would indicate that your end goal is to be the spoiler. Here look at your last line:

1hadhq wrote:@ both: another thread to be ruined ? Really?

It is sad that you would rather offer to ruin a thread rather than cooperate with everyone else simply because they disagree with you.

I ask that you refrain from this threat, but because I've seen this request fall on deaf ears for two other threads I hold little hope for an improvement in your behavior here.


If you want to continue with your pointless arguements then take them to someone else, maybe John. He seems to have the time to waste on you.

So you admit you have nothing to say except calling me names?
Maybe you should start growing up, as its tiresome to read your impolite and ignorant rants about me.

I did offer to resolve issues.
Wasn't acceptable, it seems as you feel the need to run this thread against a wall just to be right.
Nice. Maybe think about your own actions before calling others out.

@John- I apologize for the hadqing and accept my time in the penalty box.

It was not my intent to throw you under the bus/to the bear. I based the statement off of the constant handle it in PM's references you two make. I was under the impression that the two of you were just argumentative friends that thrive upon challenging one another. I, again apologie for my error.

1hadhq wrote:So you admit you have nothing to say except calling me names?
Maybe you should start growing up, as its tiresome to read your impolite and ignorant rants about me.

I did offer to resolve issues.
Wasn't acceptable, it seems as you feel the need to run this thread against a wall just to be right.
Nice. Maybe think about your own actions before calling others out.

Note the bolded words in your statement. I have not called you a single name in this thread.
I have:
1)Called your actions into question
2)Informed you as to how your statements were coming across
3)Questioned your motives
and
4)Asked you to please refrain from the actions that were coming across as negative.

It is not my fault that you read another meaning into my statements. This seems to be a classic case of transferrence upon your part.

If you choose to continue to push the argument then it will lead me to believe that you might just be one of those lonely people looking for attention. Sorry, I'm not interested. Go find another person to argue with.

focusedfire wrote:@John-
It was not my intent to throw you under the bus

OK, no harm, no foul and life goes on.

Have a good one,

/John

Can the 3 of you just shut up? Thank you.

BTW, if Manchu changed the movement table from ring to Linear, that would leave the two Imperial bases stranded from one another. Not exactly an advantage to us.

Like Manchu has said, this is a test game and any and all changes can be made at the next one.

Oh Cadia, glad you join us. Let's kick some but here in Epsilon.

JohnHwangDD wrote:For whatever reason, the OP changed the SM rules.

In point of fact, the rules did not change. The rules came out of my head and have been the same between the Interest Thread and the Game Thread. Now, the problem is that I, Manchu--not 1hadhq, not John, not focusedfire--made the mistake of not being very clear. I'm sorry to have caused this confusion but I think it has been settled. It just so happened that 1hadhq understood what I had meant. No need for further bickering on this point.

As far as SM go, I think their rules could be:

A 2/1 T 1 M 2 R 1 Start 10 Max 10
Codex Astartes: Space Marine factions may move up to two spaces per turn. They may not attack between moves but they may attack on the same turn as moving as long as they attack after the move.

Considering that the special rule only covers exceptions to the larger rules, SM still (1) can stay put and attack (at A2T1) and (2) must move either once or twice in order to reinforce.

Manchu wrote:

A 2/1 T 1 M 2 R 1 Start 10 Max 10
Codex Astartes: Space Marine factions may move up to two spaces per turn. They may not attack between moves but they may attack on the same turn as moving as long as they attack after the move.

Considering that the special rule only covers exceptions to the larger rules, SM still (1) can stay put and attack (at A2T1) and (2) must move either once or twice in order to reinforce.

An Improvement in clarity.
Would like to see this in the next game.


@EF: silence as ordered.

Stynier had two night lord entries so here is the current board.


Armageddon (alpha)
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff (Orks) 8
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Red Corsairs (CSM) 11
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Black Templars (SM) 3
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

I would like you guys to cremate my corpse and throw my ashes over Tom Kirby's favourite carpet.



Now increase the prices to pay the dry cleaners, ******!

Stick it out, mate. You've got the Cadians and Vostroyans right behind you!

Erasoketa wrote:I would like you guys to cremate my corpse and throw my ashes over Tom Kirby's favourite carpet.



Now increase the prices to pay the dry cleaners, ******!

Ace last request. You should blame ihadq for ninjaing me.

I smell lapdogs of the false god! Red Corsairs attack the Black Templar for 1 and fall back to Delta, reinforcing by 1.

Armageddon (alpha)
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff (Orks) 8
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Black Templars (SM) 2
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

New day starts!

Zandros attacks Black Templars (3 -> 2), then moves to Gamma

Armageddon (alpha)
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10 <<<

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff (Orks) 8
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Black Templars (SM) 1 ---
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Saim Hann honours it agreements and moves to Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus, destroys Black Templars, and reinforces.

Armageddon (alpha)
Raven Guard (SM) 10

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10 <<<

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff (Orks) 8
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Black Templars (SM) 0 Eldar wins bet
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)9

@Erasoketa-Nothing personal, just following the battle plan. Better luck next time.

The only thing more detestable than heresy is a xeno! The Eldar shall pay for their insolence and rejection of the true way, the light of the of the emperor, with their blood!
Moreover, the evil shown by the World Eaters is unacceptable. For their vile actions they shall receive the Emperor's fury!
Due to the overwhelming success of the Imperial guard, more men and women flock to the defense of the Imperium!
(I attack both Eldar groups and the Black Templar for 1, then reinforce for 1)

Armageddon (alpha)
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Goff (Orks) 8
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 18
World Eaters (CSM) 11
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Ulthwe (Eldar) 9
Saim Hann (Eldar) 8

Admiral-Bell wrote:(I attack both Eldar groups and the Black Templar for 1, then reinforce for 1)

Are you sure that you attack the Black Templars?


Edit spelling and double post

Armageddon (alpha)
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 18
World Eaters (CSM) 11
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Ulthwe (Eldar) 9
Saim Hann (Eldar) 8

C'mon yer gitz!! we'ze making a run fer it!!

Goff (Orks) move & reinforce.

Armageddon (alpha)
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Saim Hann (Eldar)8

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
World Eaters (CSM) 11
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Saim Hann (Eldar) 8

How ya doin' FITZZ?

Two Saim-Hanns? =P

@Inquisitor_Symphonious-That was Admiral-Bells mess up.

Could you please edit your post to correct this by putting in Alpha Alpha Sextus?

Slaughter Lord Shamanos is drinking blood from his Templar skull cup.. it is spilled by mortal IG vermin's pathetic attacks. He laughs as he gives the order to Attack the Vostroyians, move to eye of terror and reinforce.


Armageddon (alpha)
Raven Guard (SM) 10

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 17
Saim Hann (Eldar) 8

I believe my board is correct.

focusedfire wrote:@Inquisitor_Symphonious-That was Admiral-Bells mess up.

Could you please edit your post to correct this by putting in Alpha Alpha Sextus?

Oops...

I think about two people posted while I was busy editing the board. In correcting it I may have made some errors.

Raven Guard leaves Armageddon and chases the red Space elfs.
Move to Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon), deepstrike at Saim Hann.


Armageddon (alpha)

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 10
Kraken (Nids) 16

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12


Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 17
Saim Hann (Eldar) 6

Raven Guard (SM) 10.

Can people seriously have a quick look over the board after you have posted..

Like now the numbers are in the wrong place.

I know it doesn't really matter, but how did I end up in Beta sector? One minute I'm killing space marines in Epsilon and the next I'm back in Beta. Doesn't really change things much, I'm just curious.

Shaman wrote:Can people seriously have a quick look over the board after you have posted..

Like now the numbers are in the wrong place.

Edited to fix that.

Wasn't Biel Tan there at the Start of this turn?

About Beil-tan

The mistake was on the previous page- Again a case of Admiral-Bell getting ninja'd and no one catching it.

Sorry Deff Dread, we shoulda caught that. At this point I think that it should be up to you if you want to be moved to where you are supposed to be.

@Admiral-Bell- Don't sweat it too much, we are all having a hard time keeping up and you have had he misfortune of being ninja'd two times in a row.

My intent was to move them back there in anyway. So as long as Manchu has no problem with it, and you guys don't feel I've gotten a free move of sorts, they can stay in Beta.

Kraken nom nom on sphess elfves


Armageddon (alpha)

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 9--
Kraken (Nids) 17+

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12


Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 17
Saim Hann (Eldar) 6

Raven Guard (SM) 10.

Vostroyans attack 1 Saim-Hann, reinforce 1. Rest well Black Templars, your crusade is at an end. We few shall carry the fight.

Armageddon (alpha)

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 9
Kraken (Nids) 17

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10
Zandros (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12


Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Saim Hann (Eldar) 5
Raven Guard (SM) 10.

@ EF: Could you please implement Vikingscott's move ? Seems some hungry nids did act at beta.

JohnHwangDD wrote:New day starts!

Zandros attacks Black Templars (3 -> 2), then moves to Gamma

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10 <<<

Can somebody put Zandros back on the map?

@Admiral Bell: it's best if work from the last post, not the first unread...

I'll do so. In Ultramar right? Who left them out? (and how much am I paying him? )

@EF: Admiral Bell made a hash of things...

I'm soooooooooooo late

And in my first move I thought that I was helping the IG... kind of, I wasn't thinking in a bait

Like a templar you charged instead of falling back.

So when do we receive the WE charge?

When you dont ninja me and run away.

Could I suggest implimenting a turn order? That oughta cut down on the ninjas in this thread.

Admiral-Bell messed up a few things... no harm no foul though.

Shaman wrote:When you don't ninja me and run away.

I wasn't aware youre intending to post.

Now its my duty to play guerilla tactics as RG.....but we will be more than happy to repay for istvaan.

Tell me an arena of our own and we get this done.

@Inquisitor_Syphonious:
Change to turnbased would be ok, if there is an specified time when you have to post, and this also fitting into the timezone he's in. Otherwise a lazy player may hold off the rest and even lead to missed turns for those after him.

You don't need a turn order .. also what if someone fails to show up for a turn..

All you need to do check the post above you if it is different you change you move if necessary, like I did on the first page. Its not hard people are just lazy.

Shaman wrote:You don't need a turn order .. also what if someone fails to show up for a turn...

Agreed on the first point. To address the second, nothing happens they just lose their turn for that day.

Please use the QUOTE button to create the board resulting from your turn. This will preserve the formatting. And please quote the turn immediately before you. Always check your turn post to see if it has been ninja'd and, if so, please correct it accordingly. There will most likely be slip-ups from time to time even when we are careful.

Reconstructing the board from John's first move today (taking into account Admiral_Bell's flub from yesterday regarding Biel-Tan), it should look something like this:

Armageddon (alpha)

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Kraken (Nids) 17
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 9

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12
World Eaters (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 5
Raven Guard (SM) 10

@DDrE: I'm okay with the "move" to Iyanden (beta) being your turn but by not taking a real turn you neither reinforced nor attacked. Kind of a waste, I think. And then you got munched on by the bugs!

@Manchu.

The list in your above post has my faction appearing in two war zones.

The correct position for Goff(Orks) is Ultramar (gamma)...surrounded by Eldar.

I still intended to take a turn actually. Just thinking it through. Which is why I asked if everyone would be okay with the move, as I intended to move there today, but since I'm there already I planned to move again and take my turn as normal. If this isn't okay, just say so and my move to Beta will be counted as my turn for today.

FITZZ wrote: @Manchu.

The list in your above post has my faction appearing in two war zones.

The correct position for Goff(Orks) is Ultramar (gamma)...surrounded by Eldar.

Just goes to show . . .

Thanks for the heads-up, FITZZ. Fixed it!

Manchu wrote:

FITZZ wrote: @Manchu.

The list in your above post has my faction appearing in two war zones.

The correct position for Goff(Orks) is Ultramar (gamma)...surrounded by Eldar.

Just goes to show . . .

Thanks for the heads-up, FITZZ. Fixed it!

I do what I can.

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:I still intended to take a turn actually. Just thinking it through. Which is why I asked if everyone would be okay with the move, as I intended to move there today, but since I'm there already I planned to move again and take my turn as normal. If this isn't okay, just say so and my move to Beta will be counted as my turn for today.

If you got to move again today, it would be like having two moves--which Eldar do not have. If you only got to attack or reinforce, it would be turn-splitting--which is patently NOT okay (because you basically get to react to other people's turns on the same day). I was thinking that you could just take your whole turn as if Bell never put you in the wrong place, but Scott got you at Iyanden (beta) so I have no desire to invalidate his completely legal turn--especially because you posted that you wanted to stay at Iyanden (beta) before Scott posted. I think the fair-est thing (note: maybe not the fair thing) is that Bell's moving you is your entire turn for this day. The best thing to do would have been to have someone move you back to Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon) and then take your turn whenever you had thought it through.

Manchu wrote:@DDrE: I'm okay with the "move" to Iyanden (beta) being your turn but by not taking a real turn you neither reinforced nor attacked. Kind of a waste, I think. And then you got munched on by the bugs!

I think the bugs didn't bite at their fullest. Maybe we count the possible -2 as -2 and reinforce 1?

Okay, Bell's moving me will be considered as my turn today then. Sorry for causing a bit of confusion.

Deff Dread red Edition wrote:Okay, Bell's moving me will be considered as my turn today then. Sorry for causing a bit of confusion.

No problem at all. This is going relatively smoothly for a first game considering how complicated the rules are (relative to Survivor)!

@VikingScott: When the Nids take a bite against one target they inflict two wounds but can only reinforce one. When they attack two targets, they do one wound to each and reinforce by two. When you attacked Biel-Tan this turn, you reinforced by one (correct) but only did one damage (incorrect). I have updated the board to reflect that you did two damage to them. EDIT: BUT given that they "moved" from Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon) to Iyanden (beta), they would have reinforced to 11 and so your two damage would result in them having nine wounds left. So, DDrE, it looks like you at least got to reinforce.

EDIT: Settled below.

Wait Manchu, you're wrong. Eldar have a maximum wounds of 10, so he'd still be at 8.

DarkHound wrote:Wait Manchu, you're wrong. Eldar have a maximum wounds of 10, so he'd still be at 8.

But nids have to be there to attack. Without that no 10 -2 = 8.

IMO the agreement was :

-nids attack, eldar reinforce. ie 10 - 2 + 1 = 9.

So either take back both moves or none.

DarkHound wrote:Wait Manchu, you're wrong. Eldar have a maximum wounds of 10, so he'd still be at 8.

BEAUTIFUL CATCH!!! I'm seriously impressed.

1hadhq wrote:But nids have to be there to attack. Without that no 10 -2 = 8.

This would be true except that VikingScott posted his attack on Biel-Tan AFTER DDrE posted that he would stay at Iyanden (beta). Therefore the "move," hypothetical though it is, "happened" before the attack--when DDrE could not reinforce because he was at Max wounds. So we are now at:

Armageddon (alpha)

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Kraken (Nids) 17
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 8

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12
World Eaters (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 5
Raven Guard (SM) 10

@ALL: Please check the Interest Thread for some proposed rules changes for Game Two as well as a poll to determine which new faction will be added.

It appears to me that the rules are perhaps a bit too complicated and that the next game ought to simplify things?

I think we are just working through our own rough understandings and things that I was not initially clear about. If everyone here can play 40k, I doubt StratS is too complicated. I haven't seen your proposed streamline, John, but I do like that different factions can do different things. That diversity, as EF remarked, required some complexity.

@John- TBH, Things are going relatively smoothly. This isn't even at the beta stage and we are making pretty good headway into identifying and correcting problems.

'WAAAAGH! It's choppin' time! Get da pointy-eared gitz!'

Bloodaxes move 1 to Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus and attack Saim-Hann for 1 damage.


Armageddon (alpha)

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Kraken (Nids) 17
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 8

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12
World Eaters (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 4
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Blood Axes (Orks) 11

Manchu wrote:
@VikingScott: When the Nids take a bite against one target they inflict two wounds but can only reinforce one. When they attack two targets, they do one wound to each and reinforce by two. When you attacked Biel-Tan this turn, you reinforced by one (correct) but only did one damage (incorrect). I have updated the board to reflect that you did two damage to them. EDIT: BUT given that they "moved" from Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon) to Iyanden (beta), they would have reinforced to 11 and so your two damage would result in them having nine wounds left. So, DDrE, it looks like you at least got to reinforce.

Sorry Manchu.
I thought that I couldn't use both the atacks at one target.
Thanks for the clear up.

No prob, Scott. As you can see, most of us have been a little fuzzy on one thing or another.

To Deff Dread Red Edition:

Arggh! We's sorry for the confuzzlem'nt but the Mek's been playin' around wif the tely-porta.

Cap'n Nottwotch struggles with the 'Arpoon Gun 'is Mek created, tryin' ta keep the void whale reeled close. We'z sailin' back ta da Alpha Alpha place, boyz! Dose pointy-eared ladz duzzn't gots a chance!

Move to Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (Epsilon). Attack Saim-Hann.


Armageddon (alpha)


Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Kraken (Nids) 17
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 8

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)

Night Lords (CSM) 12
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12
World Eaters (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 3
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Freebooterz (Orks) 11

And so it begins. Kill them all!

Red Corsairs move to Epsilon, reinforce for 1, and attack the Saim-Hann for 1.

Armageddon (alpha)


Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Kraken (Nids) 17
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 8

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)

Night Lords (CSM) 12
World Eaters (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Saim-Hann (Eldar) 2
Raven Guard (SM) 10
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13

Is there or is there not a 24 hour time constraint?

Once per day, EST.

Then was Darkhounds vote legal? Is Saim Hann at 3 or 4 after re-enforcement?

Posting it as a question until I recieve answer.

Saim Hann attacks ravin guard - 1, moves to Iyanden to make its final stand, and re-enforces.
Come and get some you weakling marines. I killed your b**tard Step-brothers and I'll cut you on my way out. Face me on your own!, Or are you going to hide behind that Alliance that you'd call an expedient heresy.
*Last words-It is better to burn out than to fade away.



Armageddon (alpha)


Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Kraken (Nids) 17
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 8
Saim-Hann (Eldar)3? or 4?

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)

Night Lords (CSM) 12
World Eaters (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Raven Guard (SM) 9
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13

Sorry WE, you' ll have to wait, for now

Raven Guard still follows Saim Hann.
Move to Armageddon.
Move to Iyanden.
Attack Saim Hann (2)





Armageddon (alpha)



Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 9
Kraken (Nids) 17
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 8

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)

Night Lords (CSM) 12
World Eaters (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13

Question still stands but is revised, "Is Saim Hann at 1 point or 2 because of Darkhounds early vote?

DarkHound's vote is early? I'm seeing a 6/26 vote on page 4 but nothing after till now. I think it's a fair move.

If you look at darkhounds two votes with New York city time (chosen in your settings) you see he waited till the last moment. So its legit

2010/06/26 23:33:51


2010/06/27 20:20:20

Right, and he still has his vote for Turn 3 today.

Board stands at:

Armageddon (alpha)

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 9
Kraken (Nids) 17
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 8

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Night Lords (CSM) 12
World Eaters (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13

@all: PLEASE let's use the quote button to preserve the formatting. I think the game will benefit from a well-organized Board.

Edited to fix board

Slaughter Lord Shamanos gets bored in the Eye. He orders his forces to Epsilon and Attacks the vermin with the funny hats and reinforces.

Armageddon (alpha)

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 9
Kraken (Nids) 17
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 8

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Night Lords (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 13
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 17
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13

So it's an 24 hour limit on the Turn, not the player? That what I've been assuming so far anyway.

The Turn is limited by 24 hours. Each player can only act once within that time limit. If you don't make that time limit, you lose that turn.

@Shaman: Thanks man!

I agree with you about the formatting manchu, its frustrating to fix it when the guy above you never does. (Which was my board wasn't formatted)

Zandros moves to Beta, attacks Raven Guard (9 -> 8)

Armageddon (alpha)

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 8 --
Kraken (Nids) 17
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 8
Zandros (Eldar) 10 <<

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Night Lords (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 13
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 17
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Armageddon (alpha)

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 8 --
Kraken (Nids) 17
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 8
Zandros (Eldar) 10 <<

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Night Lords (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 13
Cadians (IG) 17
Vostroyans (IG) 17
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13

The Night Lord Captain grows bored lying with in the Eye and orders his company out in search of prey. Remembering his alliance with the Orks and Servants of the Dark Gods, the Night Lord makes way to Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus were the worshipers of the Corpse Emperor make war. Reinforcing along the way.
With a sense of wicked glee he orders his Executive Officer to lead a lightning fast attack on the Cadian Forces.

Armageddon (alpha)

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 8 --
Kraken (Nids) 17
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 8
Zandros (Eldar) 10 <<

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)


Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 13
Cadians (IG) 16
Vostroyans (IG) 17
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13
Night Lords (CSM) 13

@Manchu and Darkhound, My apologies. Darkhound posted a revised/corrected gameboard on page 2 that when I mistakenly counted it, had him taking his turn/posting early rather than late.

Again my apologies to both and any players possibly confused by my question. I agree that the points are correct.

No need to apologize--this is another example of good modding by players.

Emperors Faithful wrote:So it's an 24 hour limit on the Turn, not the player?

I've understood all turns to start & end at midnight, NY time.

That's what I figured. I think focusedfire was a bit mistaken. He's seen the light now though.

Sorry about having to bail, a daemon possessed my computer and someone decided to clense it with holy fire*. My techpriest friend is attempting to coax the machine spirit back to life. I've snagged his laptop for a little.

* I'm serious, computers are not rhinos. They are not supposed to pop smoke. It was rather alarming.

My offer still stands to Darkhound, but I trust him none too much to let this chance pass by. Join me, Caidans!

Vostroyans attack Night Lords 1, Attack World Eaters 1, Attack Red Corsairs 1, Reinforce 1.

Armageddon (alpha)

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 8
Kraken (Nids) 17
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 8
Zandros (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Night Lords (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Cadians (IG) 16
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12
Night Lords (CSM) 12

Kraken decides to leave the pitiful eldar and their war as requested.
And nom noms on the other two targets. (Biel-tan and Zandros)

Armageddon (alpha)

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 8
Kraken (Nids) 19 ++++
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 7--
Zandros (Eldar) 9--

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Night Lords (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Cadians (IG) 16
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Blood Axes (Orks) 11
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12
Night Lords (CSM) 12

'We better be goin' to a fight....' Bloodaxes move 1 to Armageddon and reinforce 2.

Armageddon (alpha)
Blood Axes (Orks) 13

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 8
Kraken (Nids) 19
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 7
Zandros (Eldar) 9

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Night Lords (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Cadians (IG) 16
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Freebooterz (Orks) 11
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12
Night Lords (CSM) 12


@Manchu - Is this the correct format for the posts? Quote the person before, then take your move?

Im pretty sure he meant to quote their post so all the code for bold and underline was persevered.. Just so things are easier to read.

Sweet. Changed it now. I just thought we were quoting each other so that it would be easier to amend posts that are made at the same time. Quoting the person before you gives your post context.

I can see now that I was just overcomplicating things!

Cap'n Nottwotch:............"We seem ta be movin' in surkles, boyz!"

Big Mek Swotchbukkle:..."Arrgh! Don't worry, cap'n, we jest gots sum more boyz who wuz driftin' around in space. We'z gonna get back at dem landlubbers soon, s'long as they don't run away no mores!"

Cap'n Nottwotch:..........."All rite, me hearties! We'z gonna wait a bit longer! Follow dat ship, da one with the sneaky Orks in it!"

Move to Armageddon(alpha). Reinforce 2.

Armageddon (alpha)
Blood Axes (Orks) 13
Freebooterz (Orks) 13

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 8
Kraken (Nids) 19
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 7
Zandros (Eldar) 9

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)
Night Lords (CSM) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Cadians (IG) 16
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12
Night Lords (CSM) 12

*Looks to the left... Tyranids!*

*Looks right behind self... Orks!*

The Ulthwe council contemplated their options, and saw the traitor marines as the largest threat, using the webway to travel to epsilon quickly, and ambush the Night Lords. The imperium's mon-keigh would need their help, much more so from the orks one sector away...

Armageddon (alpha)
Blood Axes (Orks) 13
Freebooterz (Orks) 13

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 8
Kraken (Nids) 19
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 7
Zandros (Eldar) 9

Ultramar (gamma)
Goff (Orks) 10

Eye of Terror (delta)

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Cadians (IG) 16
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12
Night Lords (CSM) 11
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

There were double Night Lords. >.>

I'm still green!

Well you are an ork right...?

Fixed.

Armageddon (alpha)
Blood Axes (Orks) 13
Freebooterz (Orks) 13

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 8
Kraken (Nids) 19
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 7
Zandros (Eldar) 9

Ultramar (gamma)


Eye of Terror (delta)
Goff(OrkS) 12

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Cadians (IG) 16
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12
Night Lords (CSM) 11
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Goff (Orks) Move and reinforce.

Armageddon (alpha)
Blood Axes (Orks) 13
Freebooterz (Orks) 13

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 8
Kraken (Nids) 19
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 7
Zandros (Eldar) 9

Ultramar (gamma)


Eye of Terror (delta)
Goff(OrkS) 12
Cadians (IG) 18

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Red Corsairs (CSM) 12
Night Lords (CSM) 11
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Lord Castellan Ursarkar Creed orders the Cadian forces to return home for resupply.

Armageddon (alpha)
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13
Blood Axes (Orks) 13
Freebooterz (Orks) 13

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Raven Guard (SM) 8
Kraken (Nids) 19
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 7
Zandros (Eldar) 9

Ultramar (gamma)

Eye of Terror (delta)
Goff(OrkS) 12
Cadians (IG) 18

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Night Lords (CSM) 11
Ulthwe (Eldar) 9

The Red Corsairs hit the Ulthwe for 1, move to Alpha and reinforce for 1. I'm also the last possible post for this turn (11:58).

***+++Transmission from: Saim Hann Craftworld to the commander of the Vostroyan Army+++***
By the wording in your offer of alliance I take it that you are the Commander and Chief of the Imperium Forces and as such offer my reply to you.

I thank you for your offer of Amnesty and Protection. I can see the benefits of your proposed Alliance and see that our brothers the Ulthwe have already abandoned the battle plan to join your fight against the traitorous Space Marines.

However, I do not believe that you will be able implement your plan of setting the Orks and Tyranids upon one another. The idea of having them kill one another has merit and would indeed leave us with your proposed end game of Eldar and Imperium, but Again I do not believe that the Orks will follow your plan.

Additionally, Your offer would have me betray my allies. It matters not whether most have failed supported the Saim Hann as we kept our commitments. What does matter is that We Saim Hann would rather perish in honorable battle than live an eternity of shame for betraying our allies.

Again, I thank you for the offer
***+++End Transmission+++***

**++Local in-system Communication from Craftworld Saim Hann to the Commander of the Raven Guard++**

Let us finish this. The Saim Hann have served their purpose and the Eldar will survive because you dally here. We die happy in knowing that we have maintained our honour, despite being tempted with false hope, While you have allied yourself with Orks and possibly have been tainted by Chaos.

I now give you the answer that I gave to your Vostroyan Commander.

We will die honorably rather than ally with the the false dealing Imperium.

So come Kharne, Betrayer dressed as a one who is loyal. Let us end this. From the Eye of Terror I await for you, From Hellsgate, I spit at thee, Come…**++Dead static .. comm noise++**



Saim Hann Re-enforces (1), Attacks Raven Guard (1), and moves to the Eye of Terror


Armageddon (alpha)
Blood Axes (Orks) 13
Freebooterz (Orks) 13
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)

Raven Guard (SM) 7
Kraken (Nids) 19
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 7
Zandros (Eldar) 9

Ultramar (gamma)


Eye of Terror (delta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 2
Goff(OrkS) 12
Cadians (IG) 18

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Night Lords (CSM) 11
Ulthwe (Eldar) 9

Armageddon (alpha)
Blood Axes (Orks) 13
Freebooterz (Orks) 13
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Raven Guard (SM) 6
Kraken (Nids) 19
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 7
Zandros (Eldar) 9
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)

Eye of Terror (delta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 2
Goff(OrkS) 12
Cadians (IG) 18

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Night Lords (CSM) 11

However much I would enjoy it, I cannot believe that EF would side with the Eldar. Looking at it now, he probably had an elaborate scheme set up.

I'll die with my kin before betraying them to survive.

Zandros attacks Raven Guard (6 -> 5), Moves to Delta, Reinforces (9 -> 10).

Armageddon (alpha)
Blood Axes (Orks) 13
Freebooterz (Orks) 13
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Raven Guard (SM) 5 --
Kraken (Nids) 19
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 7
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10 <<

Eye of Terror (delta)
Saim Hann (Eldar) 2
Goff(OrkS) 12
Cadians (IG) 18

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
World Eaters (CSM) 12
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Night Lords (CSM) 11

World Eaters travel to the Eye. In the warp Slaughter Lord Shamanos smells xenos blood, it tastes bitter and weak but blood is blood. He orders an attack against Saim Hann and reinforces.

Blood for the Blood God!

Armageddon (alpha)
Blood Axes (Orks) 13
Freebooterz (Orks) 13
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Raven Guard (SM) 5
Kraken (Nids) 19
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 7
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10 <<

Eye of Terror (delta)
World Eaters (CSM) 13
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Goff(OrkS) 12
Cadians (IG) 18

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Vostroyans (IG) 18
Night Lords (CSM) 11

The Eldar are almost dead, their avatar lays in ashes, but still a few hopeless souls remain. Shamanos laughs, knowing their fate is sealed, their pathetic war god cannot protect them anymore. He feels pain having failed to completely annihilate his foe, no matter.

Skulls for the Skull Throne!

@Chaos- Let Saim Hann and Raven Guard finish their battle.

It is with great regret that I have recieved your declination of our offer. I may remind you that I do not speak for all Imperials, as my abandonment in the Epsilon sector by my allies shows. There is stil time to change your minds. Please reconsider my offer. I await your reply.

Vostroya attacks Attacks Night Lords 1, Reinforces 1.

Armageddon (alpha)
Blood Axes (Orks) 13
Freebooterz (Orks) 13
Red Corsairs (CSM) 13

Craftworld Iyanden (beta)
Raven Guard (SM) 5
Kraken (Nids) 19
Biel-Tan (Eldar) 7
Ulthwe (Eldar) 10

Ultramar (gamma)
Zandros (Eldar) 10 <<

Eye of Terror (delta)
World Eaters (CSM) 13
Saim Hann (Eldar) 1
Goff(OrkS) 12
Cadians (IG) 18

Alveus Alpha Alpha Sextus (epsilon)
Vostroyans (IG) 19
Night Lords (CSM) 10

EDIT: Due to ninja.

Current faction strength levels:

Orks-38

IG-37

CSM-36

Eldar-28

'Nids-19

SM-5

You guys make of this what you will but seeing as the Orks and CSM have yet to swing on one another you might want to adjust your gameplans accordingly.

Later