I joined Dakka about a month ago specifically to do this. I finally plucked up the courage because to be honest there is so much work on here that is excellent that it is a bit disheartening to even post your stuff...but post nonetheless I will!
So, I intend to create a little bit of mystery from the outset. I am going to create some Renegades from the Imperium. But they aren't going to be Chaos. The Keen of Eye and mind will quickly work out what I am going to do I think but hopefully not straight away. I can't compete on the modelling or painting...but I have a interesting story (i think)
A bit of my background
I am slowly getting back into the W40k world after nearly a decades absence. I started W40k in the very early 90s then suffered a modelling disaster (the repercussions of which I am still facing today) about 1998 which was about the time I was getting into Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay and Call of Cthulu. These distracted me till I finished University (where I would sneak from post rugby booze ups in the centre of London to play a quick 4hrs of roleplay at the immense but small ULU Gamesoc)...after graduating I've ended up in the Philippines...and I thought my hobby days were past me.
Until is a visitor gifted me the entire Horus Heresy series in thanks for putting him up. Reading it I was inspired at least by Dan Abnett (there are some baaad books in that series)...and almost immediately went out and got a Tac squad and a rhino...from the sole distributor here Neutral Grounds.
After much thought and planning I have come up with the fluff for my new army...and I bought a lot of my old miniatures over from the UK at Christmas.
Once the army nature is guessed I will reveal the fluff (I don't think some people will like it, but I do and thats what matters). I will be basing the army and points it on the Chaos Codex.
Issues
Supplies like plasticard are non-existent here. And greenstuff is very limited!
I have a tiny budget.
I haven't painted a model in over 10 years.
And even when I did paint I sucked.
I last played a proper game in the 2nd Ed...we are now in the 5th...there are new races...there are lost races...its a new world.
I have yet to recover from my modeling disaster.
My Crime
In the days before internet - or at least before I had internet - I decided that I would paint my army properly.
This required stripping my 80 plus marines of a thick goey white undercoat and a Dark Angels type paint job.
I placed all my marines bar a few i had misplaced in a tub of Methaleted Spirits.
I then went away for the weekend knowing, as I was living on a construction site that Meths ate paint.
Unfortunately Meths also eats plastic I lost around 40 converted plastic marines in their entirity that day. Plus around 40 sets of arms and bolters.
I was left a broken hobbyist and switched to Roleplay where I could forget the destruction.
[u]A New Hope
Unbeknownst to me I actually did something quite smart. Around the millenium as my friends were leaving the hobby (armies intact) I offered to buy them off them. And on the most part they accepted. I did this purely because I liked looking at the miniatures and had a hope of one day painting a army properly. Some bargains (I realize now and can't quite believe I haggled!) of the time included 20 Legion of the Damned, plus a Dread, plus a Landspeeder for 15 quid. A made several such deals safely packing them away for a future where I had some skill!
What I need from Dakka Dakka
Is input! I am learning to model, paint and play essentially from scratch! I've scoured the blogs on here for information but I need help!
Timeline[b]
I am giving myself a year to do this project. I have about 350-400 miniatures in all. My first job will be to convert and paint my four dreads.
Why my dreads first? Because they are big and look easiest to learn to paint on. Plus they are metal so I can mess up and start again real easy.
Looking good with those flyers just a quick note btw - I see you have alot of really old and classic miniatures. I noticed you said you have a small budget, so why not sell atleast some of the classic stuff you have and try to fund your newfound old hobby with that? Im no expert, but I do think that classic oop stuff could fetch a relatively high price on internet auctions - theres alot of diehard collectors online afterall
Actually I've looked into that already...its too costly to ship from the Philippines (about 10 quid postage for 1 model!) but I will take some of them back home with me at Christmas and put them on Ebay....then use that money in a binge at GW.
When I bought some over a few months ago I got exceedingly strange looks at customs...and had my bag searched :-(
You're certainly at no shortage of Miniatures there, and although there is some Junk (No Offence, we all have it, myself included! ), there are certainly many treasures which I would give a leg and an arm to have. Scratch-Building is also great, although I haven't summoned the courage to attempt it myself yet. I quite fancy a Thunderhawk, or some Drop Pods, though.
Interesting... well, I'd try and piece together a Tactical Squad, and if you have one, a Scout Squad, because then you can add whatever your heart desires, and it will still be playable to some extent. It might be a good idea to Paint a Rhino Transport for the Tactical Squad as well, and then just tackle everything 1 Miniature at a time.
The Scheme is interesting. I'm not sure about the White, as it's pretty hard to paint. Have you considered Yellow? That would tone in with the Brown nicely. Speaking of Brown, I'd change the Khaki Colour on the Backpack to match the Browns. In fact, I'd even consider changing the Browns to Black or Near-Black. Up to you, though. If you like it, go for it.
That's the spirit! No harm in trying at all. You look like you've got enough potential Test Pieces there, for sure!
With the Browns, if you're going to keep them, then you might want to consider a Desert/Dirt Base, which should tie nicely. Perhaps, in the Fluff - if you're writing any - include that their Planet is one dominated by harsh Desert Plains and vast Dirt Fields, and their Armour is painted to reflect this?
I have some fluff but I'll post that when its guessed as to their origin...it should be fairly obvious by tomorrow morning when I do some WIP on the dreads...
I did these the other day. The Paintjob is from about 96. The originally came with a came called Darkworld which Citadel made the miniatures for.
The next steps for these is some gs clothes...I probably should have done it before the I stuck the guns on...but lesson learned. I have a really short supply of gs (1 pack) and I need most of it for my count as Daemon Prince....
@ Scrazza Thanks man that means a lot! I like them too...though I am a bit stuck so I;m looking for advice as to what to do next! Total cost for each one is about GBP1 including the sentinel bits from the battalion box set...
Meant to get pics up to day but how to go onsite so no work done (but real work done). Dread pics up tomorrow inc SOS decals...
Manoknok:
Try going to neutralgrounds.net/forums there's a thread there specifically for warhammer 40k. you could ask help from the guys there(most of them are from manila and some are from cebu), no need to worry about greenstuff and plasticard they have it in manila just not in Neutral grounds.
@ Trigger 41! Hey...where do you get plasticard and greenstuff? I went to NG a few months ago to play a couple of games (tall white guy) but since then I've pretty much been out of town with work each weekend! Will check out the forums...keep meaning to go play at Glorietta on Saturday but something always comes up...next week hopefully!
Anyway,
Here is my WIP[b] for today!!
3 Dreads to be iconed constructed and base coated....first time I have basecoated anything in years...the forth is plastic and is already basecoated. I am debating to put one on sentinel legs...will see...
Some pics:
Automatically Appended Next Post: So first things first do the icons...
When working with this wood putty you have about 10 minutes before it hardens.
I accidentally cut too much off...but I am pretty pleased with these icons...basically taking about a minute each for 4 (as I got a call from work half way through)!
@manok: sorry im not from manila a friend of mine just got plasticard from there.
try to look for a guy named freddie yu He's also here in dakkadakka as well as Neutral grounds forums his username is freddieyu you can ask him where to buy plasticard, IIRC he said something about a place near UST (try asking him just to be sure)
for the putty ive heard normal waterproof hardware putty from Ace/true value(hardware shops) can be good substitutes its cheaper (costs you less than P100) try canvasing on what brands are good substitutes cause I heard there are some brands that are really horrible GS substitutes.
@trigger41
Yep that is what I use. I just use the wood colour version because I want the colour to be lighter in the end...it is cheap..the drawback being it sets solid in about 10mins...so you need to be quick...
Will post my work for the day in a min...they're still drying...
Damn I'm out of battery on my camera...so can't show the end of the days work. Undercoat has worked well. A fairly even black...
Extremely pleased with my putty carving and general icon formation. Should look good painted!!
Anyway here is a pretty bad clue as to the theme of the army...
So last night feeling quite inspired I sculpted a load of Icons for the Sons of S..... on to my Whirlwind, Landraider, a few termie shoulder pads, and the two attack bikes. Will post pictures as soon as I find my charger...
Did a quick count of points...I think I have about 10,000 at least in terms of Space Marines then 2500 Imperial Guard (Reneguards) and I have no idea what the points are for the Navy...but I will be knocking out a few more Lightnings as I think 9 would look effective...then will scratchbuild two thunderhawks...
But will get a 'To do list' up this afternoon hopefully with WIP pics..
So instead of working this afternoon I have written up my fluff. I am have a lot of work to do now, as I'm out of town for the next couple of days...and where I am 'going we don't have roads' or internet to paraphrase Emit Brown.
Fluff Background
A long time ago at the ULU Gamesoc I had the pleasure of playing WFRP with the great Reverend Lepper. As a fresh faced undergrad who had been reading and using Lepper's work for literally years this was beyond a dream come true. One day the Rev didn't show, and me and a fellow roleplayer descended into the crypt (the society storage room) just to pass time. It was literally a treasure trove, and if someone had not been in their I think I would have significantly increased my collection on miniatures. But I didn't and we pulled out a dusty copy of Blood Bowl and had a game. In the box was a solitary white Dward, I think Pre-100th issue. In this time White Dwarf was good. And it included WFRP suppliments as well as bits on almost unknown games today (I am sure you know what I mean). But to cut a very long winded story short...this issue of WD had a WFRP scenario in it where a group of adventures stumbled up a Mt in Lustria and found a Space Marine Drop Pod.
This is partly what inspired this army. The other is the sometime dire, sometimes excellent Horus Heresy series, a fascination with the Last of the Mohicans twixt Pre-Heresy SM and...well..a lot of old minis that I need a explanation for....
I realize that if anyone reads this, some of you will be against it, but you know...in the old days all these games were linked together...and that's the key...it is just a game...
For your consideration...the 2nd Legion.
The Fluff.
During the Great Crusade, in a time before the Emperors Return to Terra but after the finding of the Primarch Alpharius, the Emperor in all his wisdom had a vision.
It was of his missing Primarchs. He saw that the powers of Chaos had ushered two off his sons into the warp, and saw their journey through it to a small planet where thousands of spacecraft and races had crashed trapped by unending solar storms and fluctuations in the Warp around the planet. Due to the anarchic nature of the Warp his two Sons, unknown brothers, crashed on the planet apart. Of one son he knew no more, but of the other he saw all his life from the crash of his birthing pod on the planet, his wars. He saw that at fifteen his young son had defended his village singlehandedly from green skin gretchens, and had defeated a green skin war band in retribution! He saw the freeing of a ancient squat forge-master and the bonds of friendship born between Super and Ab-human. He saw the boy, age fifteen receive a force weapon of unimaginable power as a gift from the Squats. He saw the unification of the human population – descended from thousands of ships crashed after becoming lost in the warp. He defeated men possessed by those beyond the Ghoul Stars.
Finally in the twilight of his vision he saw his son fight his son, brother fight brother. And his son who he had watched enter manhood in a matter of seconds remained un-defeated. The Emperor of all Mankind knew that this was his greatest Son, for he held no ambition yet the fulfilment of duty, no hope except the defeat of choas, and strength enough to defeat a brother without harm to himself. If ever he had an heir this was he for he knew he would not suffer the petty rivalries that plagued his found Sons and their Legions. The Eleventh Legion , that of his defeated Son who had been corrupted beyond all recognition but that of the Emperor were dispatched to the very edge of the galaxy where they were to give service in what was to be a unknown suicide mission of protection and diversion against the increasing threat of a species yet unknown to all bar the Emperor. The Emperor ashamed of his failure with the Eleventh, and wishing to conceal the identity of the Second till he could present his Son to all his Primarch’s as a completed family deleted from record all knowledge of these mighty Legions.
The Emperor of Mankind immediately returned to Terra leaving his first Son, Horus, as Warmaster on the Great Crusade in his place and asking his Sons to show their greatness! Upon Terra the Emperor knew he must create a device that would enable him to communicate with his Son through the warp storms that ravaged his planet. He knew it would take a generation to conceive and construct so, for this period he created the Council of Terra, and the Imperial Tithe so that his Empire, that of Mankind, would continue whilst he worked in solitude on what became known as the Golden Thrown, a device designed to communicate solely with his Son by halting time and thereby finding paths through the storm. He sent the gene-seed Legion of his Son to the planet, thought the warp, guided by himself on the Golden Thrown. It took immense concentration and around him events were unfolding that would bring to the very brink of destruction his Empire.
The Emperor having completed his Golden Thrown communicated with his Son for the first time and they bonded like no other Son had bonded to his father. By now his Son had ruled his people for fifty years and was seeking new challenges and was beginning to wonder why he had not aged whilst those around him passed into legend. The Emperor told him of his history, of his brothers, of his aims; for the enlightenment of all the galaxy and the defeat of Chaos, and told him that to transport him off of his planet was fraught with danger and that he would need travel alone, for only his super-human constitution could save him given that his planet had yet to invent any form of sophisticated space flight or automation and mass production.
The Son left his people and headed to the highest peak on his planet where he waited for a sign. A year later a pod crashed near his small campsite. The armoured men inside had not survived the landing and they were left where they lay. For inside the pod lay the means for the Primarch to leave the planet and reach his Legion above. His Father across interstellar distances directed him in the use of the craft and he left his homeworld promising that one day he would return and free his people. As he reached his Armada above the planet he was contacted by his Father who was heartbroken for his first Son, Horus, had turned against him, and civil-war had broken out in the Galaxy. Years passed as the armada slowly made their way through the warp to where they believed Terra lay, for no message more was heard from the Emperor for months.
Until the lost Primarch heard again from his father. He told his Son he had been imprisoned on his thrown after collapsing from the exertion of defeating his Son turned Traitor - Horus. He informed his Son that he must defeat the institutions that held him Prisoner, the Council of Terra (who were telling the populace he had been mortally and was a God, a Omnisiah, neither of which were correct), and seek his freedom if it take Millennia and the destruction of a Billion lives, for he foresaw the power of the institution and saw that it was corrupting his vision in to something intolerant and hateful and would lead to countless trillions being sacrificed in his name, and in the name of his still loyal though now misguided Sons. The Primarch told all this to his Legion and there was much sorrow. But from this the Legion yet untested with their new Leader grew stronger. For they resolved that if they were the last of the true Space Marines they could not fail in their task for the future of the human race was at stake. They must bring light to the darkplaces and there was no grimmer or darker place than the visage the Emperor was painting of the galaxy.
Though the journey through the warp for the armada took but a few years as they were guided by the Emperor himself on the outside Millennia had passed, and as armies of the Second Legion re-entered the Galaxy in the 41st Millennium it was one unrecognisable to all of them even the Emperor seeing through his sons mind that he had been trapped for ten thousand years.
Now the last of the Primarchs, his loyal Space Marines, and the armies of the Second Legion fight towards Terra and no man or monster shall stop them. For they must free the Emperor from the Imperium that has chained him, and bring enlightenment to the Galaxy once more. The Last of the Primarchs know that the task is near impossible but with the guidance of his imprisoned father they hope that finally right makes might.
I am assuming now that after the fluff everyone of the 5 people who had read it knows who the missing Primarch is...
...I given up on my camera, and I am resigned to taking photos with my phone.
Here are a few of the undercoated dreads. Need to go buy some paints to paint them, but we are looking at Terracota. The reason for this is when I went to the hobby store they had a load of Terracota and no Gore Red. So...I figured that was a sign from the Emperor...
So here are 3 of my 4 dreads...
Automatically Appended Next Post: You cannot really see those very clearly I know...but when it is painted I think they will come up a beaut...
These are actually the first vehicles I ever put together (bar bikes). The 7 of the 8 other tanks I have were all purchased from people leaving the game and wanting to make a little money.
So I am really pleased with how these came out..baring in mind with the wood putty you have about 5 mins to mix, place and sculpt. I've got a really easy way to sculpt these icons now. First just but a circular blob down and press it so its a faily even circle. Then with two little cylinders press them on to the blob going out as in two angles. Next get a tiny philips head and make some meteor marks on the comet (or should that be primarch pod). Then with a scalpel attack the sides like you have 1 minute to make as many tiny triangles as possible...which is of course true as by the time you have got to this stage you have about 1min before the putty sets. As you complete the 2nd line in the triangle rougly but carefully scrape it away. This forms a great little flame effect...
Before I spray these I want to get a few more things ready to undercoat. Probably the bikes and another tank. But here are the landraider and whirlwind. I will free hand paint comets on the actual vehicle sides...
Any tips on how to do vehicles? I have never painted a tank before. I read on here that a make up sponge is really good to use...answer on a post! Comments...suggestions welcome!
If your interested in Cardstock modelling BWC archive is a good place to sign up. If the 2nd Legions primarch is annoyed at the Imperium worshipping the Emperor as a God maybe he should check back home. For the Primarch I'd suggest looking at Sersi or Migsula's true scale work.
I love Sersi's stuff. I actually asked him for advice last week...he's given me a useful booklist - just need to save up to get them!
Will check out Migsula's now.
As for 'back home' hadn't thought of that till now! Do'h! I guess he see's it as a lesser of two weavils? Or...the official non-official fluff 'The Primarch, due to the prevailing warpstorms is unaware of his deification on his home planet...'
Good fluff, I've previously thought there was a link to be made via the presence of the old ones in both systems. The primarchs are an interesting idea and link in, certainly a novel to be had in exploring what sounds like chaos' first attempt at corrupting a primarch and their defeat
So, yep, I like it... although I'd be lying if I said I thought that everyone would be a fan of the sigmar and his space marinez
Sorry mate...I guess I should be happy people are looking and not flamering me for my heretical views.
Anyway:
I have a huge amount of real world work to do (have to finish 6 months work by Tuesday), and I am back out of the city for nearly two weeks from Monday.
However, I have a modeling timetable:
By Friday I want to finish stripping my marines (oi oi)...no seriously...I have about 50 figs sat in a tub of Simple Green...they've been there for over two weeks and the paint is so thick I am having to individually scrape them with a pin. In the pot are a mix of Catachans, Squats, Terminators (I have Chaos termies which I will just GS slighly to Pre-Heresy Termies) quite a few Commissars, and about 30 Marines and Scouts...
Will then break down everything into squads and post some pics...so you can see what I have....
Saturday I want to try and get my Primarch (that is the thing that looks like it has been whittled) ready for GS...so I am looking for major help on that. For instance - do I work from head down, or feet up? Do I do his torso first?
This will be my first ever use of GS...
I want it to be a fairly plane armour a. so it matches my skill level, and b. because he is huge and I have a good paint scheme in mind...
Sunday...well aside from packing will undercoat what I've done...and post some pics...
Anyway...doing some more fluff wise...
I'm wondering how to use Chaplains and Commissars in a army that doesn't believe in divinity of the Emperor? I really like the models so they are in...Have a special rule in mind - sort of political agitator - which can turn imperial forces with visions of Primarchs and Emperors...so they'd be psykers...obviously...that isn't in the rules so my opponents will have to agree...
So...here is what I think the Shoulder Pads will look like on the Marines, and IGs...
What do people think? Are flames hard to paint...? Should I freehand paint? Or should I keep churning out pad icons like I have done for my dreads and vehicles...
@Monkey Troll...yes I thought of that...I guess I can give it a go...will take a look at the site. And yep...I think I have about 500 imperial minis...all most all metal. Aside from what I have here in the Philippines (about 200 marines and 200 IG + Squats) I have another entire box which contains well...my halfling army...but aside from that about two squads of imperial beastmen another twenty or so squats...and I think a couple squads of IG and some SMs. So all in all I have about 500...I hasten to add that my army is effectively harmless as most of my marines are armless! - 1 of my 35 terminators has arms...(where did I put them!!!!)...
What else? Oh...also I lack vehicles...I have a load of rhinos but nothing for my IG...I have a few sentinels...but I am not sure how effective they are in the modern game...to be honest I just used to like to line all my men up and march them forward...
'Exactly! And that is what is so brilliant about it! It will catch the watchful Greenskin totally off guard! Doing precisely what we've done eighteen times before is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time!'
Anyway...I can't really recall what I have...that is is the trouble you move house every year for a decade and then move country!
Update
So last night after cleaning minis for two hours (and managing to get just six done - looks like my friends used cement based paint) I decided I would do some work on my Primarch Sigmar.
I liked the idea of him being like a juggernaut (hence his massive size) so I thought he would need some serious hydraulics on his armour. The pictures below basically show what happened...I really didn't like it in the end, so after 40mins of successfully getting glue over my phone whilst I struggled to take pictures I quit when I was behind...
And then in the corner of my eye I saw my solitary green stuff packet. I'd never used GS before so I decided seen as my evenings modeling had been a failure I may as well give it ago...as I removed it from its packet I was surprised to see multiple strips inside! I did not know that. So it is not as hideously expensive as I thought...and compared to the wood coloured epoxy I had been whittling and sculpting...its so easy to use! I only took a little off because it was passed midnight...but....
I LOVE GREEN STUFF!!!! I LOVE GREEN STUFF!!!
And so below is my first ever use of GS...what do you think? I've just marked on where I want to bulk it out. Tonight I want to cover him in his underchassey...and then try and do some fancy stuff like knee pads...
Oh and to give you an idea of size...his breastplate is from a dreadnought!
I realized as soon as I tried to actually to do some modeling with green stuff that I was waaaay out of my depth. So far out of my depth in fact that I was no longer in the swimming pool but in a ocean world of pain...
Basically the night before last I with extreme excitement figured modeling with green-stuff was fairly easy. Its not. Last night I successfully made one pair of shorts for a Ogryn. A nappy for a ogryn and a great green blob.
So I have decided that I am wasting time and resources on my scartch built Primarch Sigmar and will instead just biggersize a plastic termie that I have and make him just a little bit bigger than the rest. I figure I can just about manage decals etc from GS...so that is what he will have...he will have a lot of stuff trailing behind him (like a comet) and will also have a caved in space marine on his base...which will probably be dreadnought size...
But I have a question - what should Sigmar have in his left hand: shield, flamer...I have no idea...anyway...should be able to get a lot of models cleaned up and do some undercoating on the weekend...then all will be silent on the Eastern front for a while....
For Sigmar, I would vote for him having a sword (or some other form of power weapony doom), and a shield. I don't really picture a Primarch (besides perturabo) having use of a gun (or flamer).
I think he has to have a Warhammer....but I'm with a shield in the other hand....although I have been working on a large pair of spiked power knuckles....
There are a couple of squads missing there: a metal cadain sqaud, a metal catachan, some squats (some are still to be stripped and some (about 20) are in the uk) and about 20-30 more Imperial Beastmen.
Of all the models that I have - and I seem to have by chance gained a lot of OOP - is this guy: I am pretty sure he is the first ever Ratling from the first Ed. I actually really like Ratlings. I am missing three of the produced Ratling models...I am on the look out for those; the first ones produced with Sniper Rifles. Anyway, I am thinking of painting this guy up as a commisar...it has never made sense to me why Ratlings don't have commissars....anyway...like the rest of my halflings and a few cadians...er...undercoat from BQ and 'paint' from felt - tip.
On top of this I have the tanks and bikes (check page 1) a new Techmarine and Retinue and I think at least another 10 terminators (and a hell of a lot of metal arms that I hope to god I haven't lost). And a dread. Oh and 4-5 Landspeeders. 4 metal 1 plastic. And some 90s era LOTD. Anyway - you can see a very distinct feature - I am missing a lot of arms. A LOT of arms.
Good luck with the stripping I swear by Dettol myself. I'm not sure what it stands for but just type it into your Search Engine of choice and you'll find a Yahoo group with an archive of a lot of 40k papercraft templates.
Will try both. After this batch I have another full box back in the UK which I will pick up at Xmas...and would prefer not to spend days stripping them.
I'm going to be away sans net for a week or so...but I completed two of the tanks (pic on page 1) that were built from card twixt a dismantled Rhino....
Out of interest...what points/stats should Sigmar have? I am considering just using the stats of a Daemon Prince + a special rule/space marine rules. Bearing in mind that in Warhammer Sigmar killed a arch-rival without injury and in my official Warhammer 40k fluff he managed to kill a brother Primarch - who was blessed by Chaos - without injury.
@ Miss Dee - Thanks will give it a go..I don't have any plastic models that need stripping - I had a fairly nasty accident a decade ago which lost me all my plastic.
Anyway, just a quick as the hotel I am in unexpectedly has internet...but no fan...go figure?...
Any views on the stats of Sigmar as Primarch? Thinking of Daemon Prince...
And what are peoples views on commission painting...I want to paint most myself...but I am not sure I am can give the older models the paint job they deserve...though I guess I have a lot to practice on.
Will do a mass of undercoating when back....
Oh! Awesome news by the way...I've had a massive windfall (in theory) to my hobby fund...my partner is going on a yoga retreat for a week - so I get to get the same amount for my hobby/interest. Not that we have the money as we've just spent it on a yoga retreat...
But anyway...means I can afford a few bits and bobs...but I am not sure what of the new model range I like. I want thunderhammers...and a halfling catapult and a ninja ogre...but thats it...any thoughts about whats good to get?
i loved the fluff...
as for painting id say just get the citadel workshop books on painting. you can eather download them, or order them from amazon or the gamesworkshop site.
take your time, and in the end youll have an army youll be proud to play for years to come.
@ Kanelom : Thanks! I appreciate the liking! It is very hard to say points wise: a lot of the models that I have (IG Beastmen, Squats, Jet Bikes, Space Slann) just aren't around in Codex anymore - which I think is a real shame! If all my space Marines had arms, I think well over 10,000Pts just for my SM...afterall I have at least 40 Terminators and will need to buy more to replace missing arms! In terms of imperial guard I don't know to be honest - probably less than the space marines though I have more models for them a lot of them are no longer legal. How much would 20 IG Beastmen be pointwise? Saying that...how much would a Primarch be? Will get a new IG codex so I can count them up. Need to sit down and do some calculations...
@ White Wolf 0231 That is a very good point. I would love to say 'Yeah...my own work'. Will do it. Barcardi and Coke. Do it. Oh...and I don't ever download anything. Honest. 'Wink'
@ Miss Dee! First of all thanks for all the feeback so far! Appreciate that a lot! I think it would be 'slowly slowly catchy believer' for me...afterall the Sigmarites are Pre-Heresy effectively and non-beliverers....or...is it just a cunning plan by Chaos?
@Bear La Morte: Will correct when back in Manila; I always forget to do it!
Little update: Back in Manila tomorrow but back to the site on Sat for another half week, so I won't be able to do much...will get a Codex IG though and bring my SM with me and do some points calculations...
In the Rogue Trader Rulebook a beastman is 3/4 of the points cost of a Human Marine. Does anyone remember if IG Beastmen were in the 2nd Ed.? I have the books at home...but that is 10,000 miles away.
This is the most amazing old school army I have ever seen (apart from the sad fact of the missing arms) I get very nostalgic for times past when i see them - I collect old school mini's myself. I made a foolish mistake when i was 19 - I thought I will never want to play with all these old models again so i gave them to some kids... (wish i knew where they live these days - I'd go ask for em back).
Please keep painting the army - there are ways of replacing the arms I'm sure, and i for one want to see them resurrected.
Appy-polly-loggies. I had something of a pain in the gulliver so had to sleep. I was not awakened when I gave orders for wakening.
weekyskemian44: Thanks Mate!!
miss dee: Ok, might have to run the army as Chaos then if use my Beastmen...running it as a modern Chaos army was my original plan anyway - as it would enable me to field a Daemon Prince (Primarch)...
I have been doing a bit of research into the models that I have. I had not really considered the skill of the sculpting really when I was younger...I think they were created by some warp entity in a basement. It looks like most of the ones I really like were made by Bob Olley
I wrote that the other day, but for some reason it didn't submit and was on my computer when I arrived earlier.
Bizare.
Anyway. I bit a metallic cylindrical projectile last night and went and splurged. Wandered over, through the various malls that cover the distance, from my place to the game shop and dropped my wage on the table and picked up some paints (actually I picked up the Foundation Paint set) and quite bizarrely some Kislev horse archers...which I was certain were no longer produced (and they aren't). I got the archers because I saw the 'Horse Archer with Sword' and thought that would be an awesome Captain for my IG Roughriders...my next thought being: oh yeah...where are those bad boys...
I recall picking up about 15 at a car boot sale in the mid 90s. I lost the horses though....damn turpentine!
You may be wondering what I did next? Well the game shop had no brushes and as I had just spent a lot there (the horse archers were overpriced, but, as I was 99% sure they were no longer produced I paid for them...) I went and got 5 different brush types (I didn't know what to buy) a brush cleaning pot thing (brushes were expensive too so I am going to look after them) and a small sponge (to paint vehicles).
Then I went home and switched on the A/C (I was treating myself - had just completed the successful solving of a major headache at work with no one getting shouted at!) cracked on some 80s Madness (the band) and sat down.
The last time I painted a model was about 2001 when the plastic Catachan kit came out (which I bought after the loss of my marines as I thought I would have to start again, but instead I decsended into a world of rugby, gym, and fantasy roleplay). My painting skills were limited, but I think in hindsight this was down to me a. using paints that were ancient and oily b. not having a guide c. not spending any time at all on them (i painted in minutes and it showed) and basically just not really knowing what to do...
Which is one of the reasons this site is extremely helpful. I've been doing a lot of reading on here and picking up tips and tutorials, and reading. I think the key is time and patience. I also happened to have been lucky enough to have been given a recent WD (Space Hulk launch one) which had a really good tutorial in it.
So anyway originally my plan was to paint the dreadnoughts first because they are big, and provide a easier target (for my paint- I was dubious about my skillz). But I had difficulty getting the paint on...I think it was way to watery. With the knowledge that I have gleaned...I believe I did my first ever 'washing' last night. But on the dreads I got board quckly - it taking ages to build up any colour and being to fearful of a. wasting expensive paint and b. having to strip yet another model.
So I dug out two models that I had undercoated (Emperor's Champion and a Commissar - I have occasionally bought new models if I like them) and set to work....would really welcome any feedback on the below....tips..suggestions...this is my first model (I gave up on the space marine for similar reasons to the dreads: Terracotta is the colour - is there something I should know about applying it?) that I have painted in almost a decade, first using citadel paints, and a paint brush which which was functioning.
Oh: I want to base them on snow - how now brown cow?
Anyway - as Tony Bliar said: things can only get better!
A similar but much less catestrophic thing happened to me when i striped my warp spiders in Citrasolv. I dumped them out in to the sink and was like "whats this black gooey stuff and where are my bases?".
I just started but its cool to see the old guys and your painting looks nice.
So that is what I have done. 1 model painted out of about 500ish. What do you think?
So I hereby start my countdown:
1/500
499 to go (not including vehicles)
Automatically Appended Next Post: @ Crimsonmicc - I am not really an old guy; I took a long hiatus for roleplay...and the game has changed so much I am pretty much new. Sorry to hear about your spiders...its annoying when it happens as they aren't cheap models....
Simple green I have discovered can handle plastic for a 2week soak with no damage. Tried myself.
So for the commissar I am going for Terracotta and Battle Grey. I am having difficulty getting a nice terracotta colour? Is there a reason for that?
For the average IG I think it will be battle grey with tads of Terracotta.
Space marines are a bit different...though I want there to be a link as they fight side by side.
So here is the 90% completed Emperor's Champ - or Sword of Sigmar as I shall call him.
For both the commissar and the Emp.Champ. I just need to afix back pack/arm...and finish the base...and they are done...not amazing but as the first models in a decade I am very very happy.
I started on one of the dreads...actually I started pouring on the paint and it wasn't working so I just focused on one section. The leg.
Then I started building up layers for the icon.
It is a holiday on monday. I am going to undercoat a squad of marines today, and a squad of IG.
Really hoping that I can finish them by monday evening...so I can show you something interesting...
So those of you that read this might be wondering what happened to my ooper troopers..
Welll here is the ones that I am currently working on. I have to say that the black undercoat really brings out the sculpts of the minis...and they look substantially better and show far more detail in the black.
I am going back to the constant layering on these ones....as I want each one to look characterful and none to be the same.
One thing that is annoying me though is the 'complete' foundation paint set I bought is far from complete...no black, white, gold, gore, snotling green....
Sigh. Might pick some up tomorrow...it is a holiday.
Anyway...it is peeing it down, have no ride and left my wallet at home about a 1k away.
Oops...
Any tips and advice would be really welcome...
I don't really know what I am doing...I am just really mixing the paint a little with water and putting loads of layers on.
Oh....I got some Cellulose thinner yesterday (think that was Miss Dee who suggested) so going to stip some models tomorrow as need to get outside today it...
So I was painting till 3am last night...as I was the night before. To be fair I started about 9pm, and it is a holiday today. I've done a few hours today as well...
Anyway, as I was leaving my flat I realised Terracotta and Fenris Grey (which I was testing on a Space Marine) is far too similar to the Crimson Fists...so I will stick with a Battle Grey washed with bleached bone and then muddied with charldon (or something like that) granite.
I had a go at free handing a comet on the SM and on Ox's ribbon. I need to go over it a few more time to make it stand out...but these guys are pretty much done. Just need to work out how to do the bases.
Oh...and whilst I really like the look of the older models...I have to say the quality of the casting is substantially higher on the newer models. When you look closely at the SMs/IGs there are large parts which are filed with metal but not actually on the model if you know what I mean.
Again really sorry about the quality of the pics...will try and get a proper camera soon...
So still looking for tips on painting and basing: especially snow basing...
Paints I need to get: Gore Red, Gold/Bronze and Black...
Love old school mini's!!! but I have to admit that technically they are not as well casted. Take a knife to em if you feel brave - or use very deep washes, they hide a lot of flaws
i like the fluff, you will get stuff for it by fluff nazis but i like the idea behind it, and i think it gives you a ton of places for converting and customizing your army.
First of all I am super chuffed to have 4 comments! Thanks guys! The fact you read the fluff means a lot to me as I have been daydreaming at this project for a long long time!
So last night whilst watching movies I had seen many times before I finished all my minis pretty much. Still need to do basing, and for the space marines arms (I will have to find a source of arms first- suggestions?) and I am going to do some frees hand detailing of the twin tailed comet...
@Miss Dee! Yes I figurd that last night when I noticed the background was perfectly clear! Hopefully if you ZOOM IN everything should now be clear(er). Great minds think alike! Actually...they don't! But you know what I mean....
@Weekyskemian (hope I spelled it right this time!) I know that showed last night...it took me ages to paint the old troops up to a decent standard but only a few hours to get all 9 space marines done...the newer models are much much easier to paint! Saying that I like the old ones to much I don't think I could put a knife to them....
@Sageheart Thanks for pasting mate! Yes...I want to pick up some Empire Miniatures ASAP...but Warhammer isn't played so much here...I have an idea for my termies..and...this army is 10,000 years old but also brand new...meaning they have a lot of legendary equipment. I have my mind on a few things...but whether I can achieve them...that is a different matter....my gaming budget is pretty limited....saying that...if you have any suggestions for what to try I am open! The more people interested in this the better!
@ Miss Dee: Dakka Dakka
Some photos...hopefully if you zoom in they will look clearer.
I am painting with charcoal at the moment...so want to keep up the production levels...will try and finish a dread tonight and give him some extreme twin tailed comet detailing
So...ideas welcome on what to do, how to do, and where to go?
Kill the Believer!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Sorry for all the typos...I am at work and speed typing as er...I am at work and trying to be discrete!
Well, I didn't do any painting last night. I got home at 9pm from work (started at 615am yesterday!) so couldn't really concentrate.
I did do a little green stuff: patched up a four ogryns with some shoulder armour to hide the joins. Gave a 2nd Ed. Ratling a cloak (because none of the 5 produced in that era have one) and gave a Zoat some armour. I have one Zoat and about 3 Slann. I would like a couple more to be honest. Either to run it in Mordeheim, or Warhammer or 40K (check this out...I love this: http://lostinthewarp.com/wordpress/2007/09/21/servant-of-the-old-ones/ ) . I have Heroquest x 2 (my parents bought me the same game 2 years running) and Heroquest Advanced so I have a fair few of the plastic Firmir. This is going off topic. Anyway, I won't be able to do anything on the Firmir till after Christmas. My parents in the UK are very understanding but not totally clued up on my collecting needs. When I've been asking my mum to look for a model for me...the conversation goes something like:
'Mum, can you do me a favour?'
'Sure Love'
'Can you look in the Shoebox under my bed called 40k?'
'Again?'
'Yes'
A few moments later...
'Is there a Ogryn head in there?'
'There are lots of bits of metal.'
'It would be a small bit of metal...but er...shaped like a head.'
'Does it have a beard?'
'No. It might have a metal plate.'
'Ok got it.'
Moving back to the video cam...
'Is this it?'
'No...that is a dwarf.'
Anyway. That conversation actually happened pretty much word for word.
Still...my parents are extremely supportive...and still see my hobby as intrinsically good...
So...over on a different page I started here I was inquiring about missing legions/destroyed legions etc...
LIW: Fire Hawks, Relictors, Star Scorpions = 3/13
Gene Seed: Flame Falcons, Wolf Brothers, Fire Hawks = 3/9
Destroyed: Emperors Scythes, Astral Knights, Emperors Swords (Necrons), Emperors Swords (Alpha), Warhawks, Venerators, Silver Stars, Shadow Wolves, Mortificators, Black Consuls, Knights of Eternity, ?Novamarines, ?Crimson Castelleans, Marines Errant = 14/21
Unknown: Brazen Skulls, Soul Drinkers, Rainbow Warriors 3/16
The reason that I was after this is because....I figure that the Primarch Sigmar and his Legion would have by now encountered a few Chapters and a Legion, fully equipped (unaffected by the Horus Heresy) would literally make mince meat of a chapter...so what if fluff wise, those chapters that are missing, lost in the warp, went renegade or destroyed (unless given a specific reason) actually encountered the Sons of Sigmar?
And...what if...when they were encountered some of them actually saw Sigmar in the flesh (how would a IG react to seeing a living Primarch?) and were struck by psychic visions of the Emperor (I am coming up with a Special rule...see below) and 'converted' to the Sigmarite Cause....most would be destroyed but some Marines may have turned against their own and fought for Sigmar when granted visions of the Emperor...
So....somehow I would like to include remnants of these chapters in the army...even if it means buying more models...(I want to make sure I can field 12,500pts of Sigmar)
What do you think? Is that too much? Overkill? Cool fluff or not?
Btw...the Special Psychic Rule/Ability that I am thinking of for Sigmar and any Psychic in the army is the ability to grant visions of the Emperor, and either turn a Imperial Unit against itself or against its former Chapter.... (i.e. 1-3 unit breaks down into conflict killing all, 4-6 the unit switches sides and fights as normal). Wouldn't apply to a unit attached to a Chaplain...or Commissar...
For the Sigmarites...I don't know how to play the Chaplains...and Commissars fluff wise...suggestions please! Thinking of them being political agitators...but what does that mean game wise?
I am leaving Manila tomorrow for the Province again. Will be back Sunday...however, I've got a 7s tournament coming up towards the end of the month...and lets just say...beer is 30pence here...so I have a bit of work to do before I am multi-game ready.
manoknok wrote:
@ Crimsonmicc - I am not really an old guy; I took a long hiatus for roleplay...and the game has changed so much I am pretty much new. Sorry to hear about your spiders...its annoying when it happens as they aren't cheap models....
Simple green I have discovered can handle plastic for a 2week soak with no damage. Tried myself.
Ah I didnt mean you were old i meant the models were not the currently produced ones. I just started so i have only really seen the new ones.
Its cool to see someone going for a more colorful IG theme.
@ Crimsonic Haha...ok I see now! I just had the benefit of a weekend job and friends pawning theirs, and their elder brothers, collections for enough money for a crate of beer. :-)
Try and do the same...:-)
In the year 40K I really don't think camo is useful....afterall...you need a hole space cruiser just to have changes for different environs.
Besides...I like to like my men up Warhammer/1st WW stylie and march them forward. They look pretty when all dressed in nice colours.
manoknok wrote:
@Sageheart Thanks for pasting mate! Yes...I want to pick up some Empire Miniatures ASAP...but Warhammer isn't played so much here...I have an idea for my termies..and...this army is 10,000 years old but also brand new...meaning they have a lot of legendary equipment. I have my mind on a few things...but whether I can achieve them...that is a different matter....my gaming budget is pretty limited....saying that...if you have any suggestions for what to try I am open! The more people interested in this the better!
you can prob buy empire stuff online for pretty cheap (ebay) or maybe look up the bitzbarn or the warstore, they are websites that sell parts rather than sets, and if you have the money you can buy bags of random parts, warstore has it as just a big bag of parts, bitzbarn has a bag for different games (a 40k one, a fanasty one, a SM one, etc.). so maybe getting one of those would grant you a ton of parts to use. i think if you get the chance you need some of the fanasty creatures in your army, there is no way i can see sigmar not bringing some pets along
Hi Guys, I am back for a wee bit, but sadly will be out of town again by thursday. I did some painting late last week on a SM model that is new-ish but I am not sure from whence it came, or name!
I am pretty exhausted, I started driving at 8 am yesterday, and got home at 11pm. With a very brief break for coca-cola (no nice coffee in the province) so I am not sure I have the energy to attempt anything tonight...
@ Miss Dee - that is very very helpful, thanks!
@ Sageheart - actually pretty much the same as Miss Dee, I am checking them out now. What sort of creatures? I was thinking of Wolves...or the Sabretusks, I think they are Ogrekingdom?
Incidentally, I am looking for some Temple Dogs for my ninja's and some War Pigs for my halflings....
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@ Miss Dee and anyone who can follow the link: which is Sigmar most like? I am thinking Russ twixt Vulkan....
I have a lot of Ogryns...I am trying to GS armour on them to make them more fantasy...
Dragons would also be awesome...one presumes that would be a very heavy flamer...
Would I use WFB rules for these?
Automatically Appended Next Post: So thanks to @Miss Dee for pointing out some greatly dicussed Primarch Stats over on another site Bolter and Chainsword (I should probably thank Brother Guilmero for starting that blog).
I've taken them and altered them a bit, but with in reason (will explain changes).
Sigmar Heldenhammer:
Ws8 Bs4 S6 T5 W5 I6 A5 Ld10 Sv2+ Inv4+
Wargear: Master Crafted Artificer Armour or Loin Cloth (no armour protection +3 to movement, +1 I, +1 A), Ghal-Maraz (Master Forged Squat Thunder Hammer), Vortex Grenades, Frag and Krak Grenades, Twin Pistol Flamers, Bolt Pistol,
Special Rules:
Relentless;
Sigmar and his Sons are relentless in their pursuit for the Emperor's Freedom enemies, thus in games of variable length the Sigmarites
force an extra turn sequence to be played. Only applies if facing Imperial forces (this includes Chaos SM and Renegades).
Ready for Action;
The Sigmarites have spent 10,000 years (but only 3 for them) adrift in the warp. They are fresh, eager and ready for action as such they always go first.
Strike Mighty Blow;
Sigmar Fights with a double handed Thunderhammer of legendary power; Ghal-Maraz (The Skull Splitter). One attack per turn can be a Strike Mighty Blow adding +1 to that attack strength.
Vision of the Emperor;
All Imperial forces (Chaos SM and IG included) within 18" of Sigmar must make a moral check if they have line of sight as he is obviously a Primarch, but one as yet unknown.
Death to the Believer;
Sigmar and any psychic in his army (for Sigmarities this includes Chaplains and Commissar's) can channel the Emperor from the Golden Thrown and throw psychic visions of him against any Imperial squad (includes Chaos SM/IG but HQ, Commissars and Chaplains are immune). The Emperor can then enter the head of the enemy and offer them a chance to join the cause for his freedom. This Psychic power has a line of site up to 12". On a role of 1-3 the vision fails and can have no further effect on that unit/squad on a 4-5 the unit splinters and fights amongst itself (roll a D6 per model to determine who falls on which side 1-3 'Imperial', 4-6 Sigmar). On a roll of 6 the unit/squad is converted and fights as normal for Sigmar and the Emperor.
So what do you think?
Explanations:
WS/BS : I gave Sigmar a high WS and a low BS. I figured that he is effectively a barbarian and therefore has little experience using guns, prefering instead to use his hammer. He still has BS 4 because, afterall he is a Primarch.
Loincloth: Er....again the barbarian thing. Obviously no armour bonus, but it frees you up for a bit of the old Ultra Violence.
Vortex Grenades: Sigh. A thing of the past in the Warhammer40k world (its not a psychic power)...but wait....my army is pre-Heresy, meaning I can have some cool old stuff....welcome back Vortex grenade...will use old rules.
Pistol Flamers: One built into each arm (can only be taken if using Armour)...again this twin tailed marlaky...twin tails of flame! Muhahaha
Automatically Appended Next Post: What should Skull-Splitter allow?
So it looks like I have some serious compitish for the WFB crossover from Blackhand (check out his awesome Skaven 40k). I think he may have already inspired some to take up his cause. A second front is open with Weety who has some amazing (and well painted) ooper troopers so check that out also...his blog is the Neverending....
Anyway. I took some pics and did about 1hr of painting last night. I have hit the wall when it has come to painting partly from my already exhausting workload increasing by 150% (no joke - just got lumped with 3 more projects!) and partly because well...actually everything stems from the over work. I might get some serious painting tonight, but I am not going to be able to play a game with my Sigmarites till at least November...same with Rugby unfortunately...both are on the back burner.
Saying that, here are some pics of what I am slowly working on. The dread is taking ages, but I think I am doing some decent work. The IG I am attempting to conceal the felt tip - it might have to be stripped however. The - I am not sure what model that is - SM has just had some highlights, same for techmarine.
Before I paint them I need to work out the mix of colours I was using before. Should have made a note.
i would make your own rules for dragons and griffins or use them as count as for heros or units, maybe a dragon could count as a squad with heavy flamers? im not sure exactly, maybe use demon codex for these creatures and in large games use your marines and the count as army.
@ Sageheart - Good idea. I could use Dragons/Griffons as daemons when playing as Chaos (realistically most times I will be playing as chaos) and then as heroes perhaps when the opponent is ok with me playing 'properly' as Sigmar. I could use the dragons and landspeeders then, but with a flamer (is that a option-will need to check) and perhaps baby dragons (I can still get these from GW) as heavy flamers in squads. Otherwise baby dragons could be count as flamers of Tzeentich when playing as Chaos.
Update: so yesterday I did some undercoating. A few marines, a few IG and some beastmen. Here are the beastmen. I am currently just blocking in the colours. Then I will wash away!
I have about thirty of these in total...though everyone that is not shown here is the 3rd variant (with a mace).
I will probably lighten the guys with chainswords, darken the Gaxts and keep the others (still in the UK) that sort of brown. I've never painted beastmen before...so tips are welcome.
How can i do a cheap and good looking snow base?
Red eyes?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I am taking a flight in 2 weeks, so I will get a duty free camera....not just for my models obviously.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Btw...anyone have comments on the Stats of Sigmar?
Will need to playtest...anyone in Manila reading this?
Hey Bro, sorry it took me so long to find your thread!
I would like to say I read it all but I didn't quite have the time tonight :(
I will put my 2 cents in and say that a primarch with Daemon Prince stats would kick ass, make sure to throw on a big ol' jump pack and say he's got wings for the extra movement.
Sorry got to go put my girl to bed but I will be watching !
Blackhand...no worries at all. Hmmm. Jumpack. I had not considered that. I guess that only applies in the artificer armour and not the loincloth. It would certainly work with the comet theme I have yet to paint on every miniature.
Has anyone ever seen a jumpack on a termie? I might have to evolve my modelling skillz.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Weety! Dude...I didn't realize these Beastmen were quite so expensive! I just checked them out on ebay...man I hope I can find my other 20-30. They aren't the Gaxt though, it is the clubber. I have 2 seargeants 4 Gaxt, and the rest are clubbers.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Awesome...page 4! Big smile!
You should be able to cut a normal marine jumppack in half and mount it on the back of a termie, as you say it will resemble the twin tales of the comet design.
Check out freakforge's plog for a termie with a jump pack, I wouldn't suggest something that intricate but it is definitely doable.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Man that guy is good!
Automatically Appended Next Post: @ Sageheart (and anyone else) what sort of dragon? Thinking of the Dragonmaster...or 2. Plus some of the little chappies.
Btw...can anyone recall what company makes the flame addons? I found them online a while ago but forgot to bookmark.
If you are thinking of 40k'ing beastmen (sorry again for not reading the blog properly) I think you will find with the new GW kits that they have standardised the size of hands across a lot of the ranges.
I have swapped hands between IG, Dark Elves, and Skaven and , as long as they are the NEW kits, you should be able to just glue on an IG gun hand no problems...of course you have a bunch of the OOP beastmen right? that might not be so easy
haha of course it does. fantasy always leads to dragons!
Automatically Appended Next Post: i like the high elf dragons, but maybe get some like 2 cent toy dragon and convert it with gadgets and bionics and such
Literally about to head off out of town (have to sign off all the dakka blogs because each time it gets updated per site I get a annoying email to my phone). Just to say...
@ Sageheart will check out the high elfs when back. I won't be able to buy any till xmas as that is when I am home.
@ Blackhand/Miss Dee...my beastmen are all RT...however not everyone is as lucky as me so was just suggesting to @ Weety he could make some. I have seen some nice conversions using catachans.
Anyway...enjoy the weekend. It is a national holiday here.
Till Monday....
Wait...did someone comment on the stats on page 3? I will need to recheck...
GTG
M
Automatically Appended Next Post: I am not going to ground.
hey manoknok, It doesn't really matter, as we are in cyberspace and are only defined by what we write and what our avatars look like, you for example are some kind of giant lizard-snake? But I'm not a he. just a heads up!
Been Thinking of posting myself as my avatar - but Icant find one where I look sober
@ Disjointed Entity : Hi just spent a hour on stuff of legends trying to find out exactly what they are! Inco...well done...you're the only one who spotted the uber rare stuff. By the looks of it they are the Limited Edition SFD Robots
I think 1 came with a box of Space Crusade I picked up at a car boot sale a couple of years ago...(I still plan to make a table of the tiles...the robot was the only mini in the box). The others...pass...but I didn;t strip them - they might have been a cousins...who gave up in the early 90s just as I got my first D&D set. Shhh....I soon switched codes.
@ Weetyskimian44....like a female dwarf....the female gamer is uber rare! Anywho: the avatar is the African Honey Badger. Pound for Pound it is the most fearsome land mammal.
'a badger named Kleinman was documented stealing a meal out of a puff adder's mouth and casually eating the meal in front of the hissing snake. After the meal, Kleinman began to hunt the puff adder, the species being one of the badger's preferred venomous snakes. He managed to kill the snake and began eating it, but then collapsed on the dead snake as he had been bitten during the struggle. After about two hours he surprisingly awoke. Once he had recovered, the badger continued with his meal and then resumed his journey'
I am a Honey Badger, but I am also a Manoknok. A very chickeny chicken.
Automatically Appended Next Post: After my Son's of Sigmar (renegade), and my K.I.S.S army (pure Chaos), I will form a fearless group of Tau Honey Badgers...
Automatically Appended Next Post: I used uber twice in two paragraphs. Yikes.
No worries dude, I only know one other female gamer myself (in the real world that is). she is a goth and is married to a big hairy metal band vocalist, so she has an excuse, I'm just a nerd, and my parents had progressive views and bought me and my sister whatever toys we wanted for christmass, Seem to remember the very year - 1990, my sister got the big lego pirate ship and I got a plastic skeleton army!! It was all downhill after that - dolls are boring.
Honey badgers are not as cute and harmless as the name honey badger might suggest...
And Uber is a great word.
You are making a kiss army? will they have black and white facepaint?
Just looked In your gallery and OMG you do have the same colour scheme as my imperials. Is this coincidence or do great minds think alike. I was tempted to switch to grey with black and white stripes halfway through cos I was fed up painting red and olive green. but I don't like inconsistency in my army. And why is it that I spell grey grey but the friggin spell checker says its gray.
Tell me about it Weety' my spell checker seems determined to make me sound like an American as well (not that that's such a bad thing my American dakkite brothers )
Yes color honor, valor and such like are all not how I remember them.
I have to point out here that I can't actually spell that well anyway. so its only thanks to the spell checker that I notice how things are spelt, huh, spell checker doesn't register spelt as a word? Its blatantly I type of flour used by hippies. Come on so how am I meant to say it? spelled? yes apparently so.
eeerm. I'm talking to my spell checker. I think I need medication now
I feel an odd sense of pride that I managed to spot those.
Lord bless the Robotech (P.S. If you like 80's Anime, watch it. Aside from the abysmal lines, it's got a pretty epic storyline!)
@ Weety : yep! The imperials are pretty much the same...what do you think of mine? Any tips?
@Blackhand - It annoys me too! I had cheques (it is suggesting i mean checks) canceled at the bank here because I wrote the date 23/08/2010 not the American way : 08/23/10. Two peoples separated by a common language (and a welfare state).
@ Disjointed Entity - you should do! Apart from my RT Ratling there are pretty much the rarest thing I have....
So late last night I managed to do a bit of painting: I avoided the distraction of starting another squad and focused on the Beastie Boys.
I have finished blocking them in. I have got three different colours of beasties. Unfortunately I don't have black so I have tried to mimic it with Granite. I see a quite a few goats in my job - so I will try and make them look like them. Obviously the goats are see are not twixt humans and do not carry laser guns but at least there fur is the same.
I am out of again tomorrow evening till friday, then again on sunday. Realistically I will update next week as I won't finish work till late tonight.
All the travelling I am doing is playing foul with my diet/rugby and wargaming. I doubt I play a game (rugby or warhammer) before November and there is only so much coffee I can drink before I need to eat something.
Musn't grumble though....
So....again pictures are bad, I will get a camera soon. Comments/criticism welcome.
I think you gotta learn to take close up photos! then we can see whats going on.!
I'm not the consumate expert but I'm not bad either.
first of all what kind of camera are you using? I hope its not your phone camera - you will need a better one
2nd thing is more light. Not direct harsh light like direct sunlight but bright light bulbs maybe with a shade over em or indirect sunlight in combination with lamps. I just have indirect sunlight comming form my window and then a light bulb above.
Familiarise yourself with your cameras menu and settings. It needs to be on macro focus, and have a white balance that coplements the type of light you have - just experiment. Finlly you need to get your camera about 3-6 inches away from the little dudes and steady it on something so it has a chance to focus and expose.
failing all this get a folding light box and a tripod they are only like 15 quid including postage
sorry to rant but good photography is all and I want to see your rare beauties up close
Automatically Appended Next Post: It is your phone camera!!
What else. Urrm tiny tiny brush. Don't underestimate the importance of a tiny brush with a point at the end. They are invaluable for neat ness.
Do undercoat. white black or grey. White gives the best base for bright vibrant colours but i is unforgiving but I use white the most cos I like em bright
black is easier but you have to layer on the paint to get bright colour, grey seems to me to be the best of both. do that wash thing we were talking about and sell your soul to the devil in return for a golden demon award
So...it appears I have been a bit of a technophobe.
Last night after reading @ Weety's comment and seeing the word macro I dug out my old camera which I thought was a bit pants. It turns out that I have macro (didn't take me long to find) and that I can take fairly decent photos.
Hazar!
So here, for your entertainment...a load of photos. I tried to take a picture of everything I had done so far, or wanted to do soon.
Off in about 2 hrs....so next post Monday.
M.A.N.O.K.N.O.K
Ps. Yes was using phone camera. Now I know how to use Macro!
@ Asherian Command - haha thanks. Reminded me of 'They have a cavetroll.' Possibly the best line in the last decade IMHO :p
Actually have a fair few squats: between here and home about 40 I think. If you look back I have a set of photos of everything I have in Manila. I am very lucky - all explained on page 1.
wow and its the very rare adeptus mechanicus squat. Those things NEVER sell for less than 7 quid on ebay, I know I've been trying. The macro is great manokok, Its great to see them up close. Macro photography was partly what drove me to try and improve, and buy a pointy-er brush. You don't lack skill (I can see that cos you've painted the eyes). you will probs se a great improvement if you put a few washes on and maybe a highlight or two. Personally I would say you should base coat in white (I'm guessing you do it in black or not at all at the mo). You will get brighter colours. but maybe you don't want em bright
But seriously now I can see em better I am amazed at how many rare minis you have. Its a treat to see em.
@ Weety...I have a solitary Zoat. I wish I had three and that way I could makeshift a unit for my Moot Army (have loads of GW halflings lying around) but I will likely use him eiither as a Slann adviser or part of my Fimir Mordehiem band...I know that both Zoats, Slann and oh Fimir don't exist anymore. But they should so I will play them. Let us hope that right (and some decent rules) make might!
@ Miss Dee...I don't actually know much about the ambull (though the scuplt that Ambull has done is superb)...what race were they part of?
@ Sageheart. Thanks!!! Means a lot! I don't have much sigmar stuff yet. I am aiming to paint 40 minis (4 squads) before I go back over them and do detailing like comets....
@ Monkeytroll! Thanks and yes...I feel like a buffoon!
General Update!
So...I have had a pretty hectic week topped off by a bad 24hrs. My partner has a problem that I can't help with and really we have no idea how to handle it. It doesn't involve her directly - but it is making her extremely upset. Then whilst playing rugby this afternoon I got some extremely distressing news about my dog back home, who is 17 and probably not going to be around much longer than a week.
I have finished one Beastie Boy and I will post some picks tomorrow...I need some advice though I think.
What else?
Um...that it. I need to actual put some sigmar into this army- so whilst I am on holiday next month (have two weddings to attend) I will try and get a Empire box set.
Please do go ahead and pinch my schemes - they are not exactly original anyway - and we seem to have hit on the same guard scheme already by coincidence. I hope your problems are resolved as well as can be. Best wishes to you and your partner.
I'm curious now - as I was reading a post a while back where you said you see a lot of goats at your job. What is it you do that involves a lota goats?
My neighbor used to keep goats - they make a lovely cheese
I drive about 20hrs a week into the Mountains and then Coasts of the Philippines (its about 10hrs each way if I am unlucky, and sometimes I do it twice a week). On the road in the provinces the goats just sit...whilst trucks and myself swerve around them. They are exceedingly nonchalant...
Unfortunatley for modellers everywhere GW stopped their bits service many, many moons ago. There are several 'net based companies that sell components though, and a few hops on e-bay. Can't recall any names off the top of my head, but there's links in one of the stickys in the Painting And Modelling forum.
So I have a hand full of days left in the country before I take a field trip to the Australian Outback. Hazaar! No traffic! Needless to say I won't be able to update for a while, but I am hoping to get a lot done before I leave (model and work wise!).
I have realised that essentially there is no Sigmarness in my army currently. I am wondering how to cure this.
I tried my hand at a couple of Comet tattoos last night. If you can see them (i won't point them out) speak up and let me know what you think!
'Hello Macro my old friend, I've come to use you once again,
Because of pictures better focused, show my paint quite atrocious...'
Simon and Garfunkel
Some photos:
Ps. The last picture...I have its head and its other arm (somewhere) I also have two full boxes of them...so about 10 or 12. A cookie for whoever can guess what they are!
I like the outback sniper dude - he is great - and the paint job on your second beastman is great too - I like him. Is that the new brush at work? And the last one with no head... Is he an ogryn or maybe an ogre?
@ Disjointed - Yep he is from the Schaeffer Box set. I think that was the last thing I bought before giving up.
@ Monkey Troll - Yes I got two Regiment of Renown Golfag's Ogres boxs to beef up my Halfling Army which I am still looking for pieces for. (A leader, some calvalry and some Blood Bowl who I want to form into a regiment called 'Crotch Biters'.
My dog was put to sleep yesterday, and I am pretty cut up about it. I haven't done anything work wise or hobby wise. Might do some tonight but seen as I am back to the site tomorrow and Monday, then out of country on Tuesday I am not sure what. Might try and finish the beastmen off as I got some good feedback on the leaders.
Oh. A couple of days ago picked up some burnished gold and some ultraviolet green for power weapons.
Sorry not much to update...and no Sigmar stuff.
Might get a box of Empire if I can whilst away.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Inexplicably they don't sell Chaos Black here...so I might have no black in my army. Which is a bit bad as I had a really good idea for Sigmar's armour.
Just got back from work (at 10 to Midnight) I am leaving town tomorrow for a month....so I don't think I am going to get any updates on here for a while
That said...
Weety: that squat looks awesome, sorry wasn't logged in when I was viewing.
What else?
My next update will be a mega pictoral fest I promise
Its a 1988 Grenadier Lizardman with a gun...someone asked to see a picture of it, so I posted it...as I don't know how to PM pics. It has a code M265. I really have no idea where it came from, as I have never bought any Grenadier and didn't know they existed till about 3 months ago.
Oh my goodness - that's what I was thinking of, thank you for posting these pics! This figure is re-worked from another sculpt that was first produced for Grenadier's Dragon Lords boxed set, index number 2010, called 'Horrors of the Marsh.'
I believe (but can't confirm) that this figure here came from a later Grenadier set from their 'Lost Lands' series. I have not been able to find pics of that set. This is awesome! A little restoration this little guy would rock.
Yeah, like mud or something I guess, all of the original set have that style base.
This fig is a weird combination of two of the original set, upper half from one, lower half from another. Mano: You should hang on to it, although it's probably valuable only to maniacs like me who drool over old Grenadier minis.
Just to say that I haven't forgotten about my little project and I will get a decent update by Friday.
No idea what to do with that lizardman...I have no idea how much it is worth, of it is the only one I have (trouble from living 14k km away from my geeky bedroom....
All I can say is that it is defo holding a gun (has a powder barrel) and is one miniature, so it was cast the way it was if you know what I mean...
- Edge highlighting
- Learn how to to rust, Mud, & battle damage.
- Freehand insignia *can* be amazing. But they can also suck if not well planned or designed.
- just because it's a vehicle doesn't mean you shouldn't thin your paint!!!!
If we were talking eldar I'd tell you to to blending and fade colours across the surface... But I don't think that would suit the imperials
They don't look too bad I think. I am not very good at finishing things so I am glad to finish 2 last night. The Catachan Captain and the Brains of the Last Chancers (who I am going to use as Imperial Medic type)...
Let me know what you think....
I tell you what....the last picture I have put up is all that is currently partially painted, let me know which one you want me to finish first and I will do bbq it.
Oh and advice on painting vehicles because:
I have 11 tanks, 4 landspeeders, 6 bikes, and a couple of OOp surprises, though you will have to wait till after xmas for those...
the models are looking good - they have a very realistic palete. My favourite has got to be the beastman champ with plasma pistol and chains saw but that bald guardsman with the tube comming outa his head is cool - who is he? he doesn't look familiar.
Really want one of those beastmen champs! I will have to bid higher on them...
yeah he is pretty cool - judging by the shape of the bolt pistol he is a newer model; 3rd edition or later. A lot of wings would suggest dark angels or blood angels and seeing as he is already painted black im going for dark
Automatically Appended Next Post: Just a quick update 50% done with the unamed 3rd Veteran Model...will post a pic tomorrow. Really pleased with him so far....
Today is a holiday in the Philippines, but I am having to catch up on work. Saying that, I've done 5hrs painting today.
So....I made a bit of a boo boo yesterday and stayed up painting till 2am, forgot to set my alarm, and arrived at work at 1030am.
Oops.
So here is the Space Marine Veteran. I am really really pleased with him so far. He is about 70% done. What do you think?
Also...tell me what you want me to paint next...if you look back all the ones undercoated are shown as WIPS.
Question of the Day: I have no access to White GW undercoat (my black is nearly out) is there a generic brand I can use?
Finally...as you are probably more of a fan of the miniatures than my painting please check out Olley's Armies...(I don't work for them) he designed most of them, and he still making awesome models in his shed.
Anyway. This Marine is called Eddy. Partly as his facial expression is similar to that of the Iron Maiden icon, and partly due the extreme number of eagles he has. I might stick a jump pack on his back.
Anyway. Will finish him tonight...and will get onto the next model which I am hoping will be communicated to me before I leave the office!
The Very Chickeny Chicken.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Btw...when you look at that model (and all my others) the paint seems a little uneven...in that it doesn't end with a smooth finish...how do I correct that?
Thats looking good, specially the wings - you keep getting better so chin up. As to the smoothness a few washes will make it look smoother - just be careful to apply them carefully to their designated areas and wait for one to dry before adding another (or just use on generic wash for the whole thing). They might need watering down a tiny bit or you will end up with a very dark mini. He actaully looks a bit like one of mine before I've added washes so I'm confident that thats whats missing. Also the blob of putty under his feet isnt really helping!!
I use cheap Matt Acrylic car spray primer. The one I've tried and tested is called Hi-coat. I find it hard to tell the difference between that and citadel spray. just possibly it isn't as smooth, but not so as you'd notice. and Its genearlly less than half the price.
I did get all my friends models when they quit - mainly cos I had space - part of what got me into painting actaully - then of course I quit and GAVE them to some damned kids. I keep having the urge to try and track those kids down and say OI your to old to be playing with toys now - give em back - but I kinda lost touch with their dad so not sure where to look
Manoknok , what a great thread , your minis are just marvelous, Its also cool that your taking painting advice from from Ifalna and weety , beacause they obviously know what their talking about. your blog and the info within it is making me feel more confident to attempt to paint my guys. i will be watching how your painting skills progress , from now on and taking tips myself, i havent ever really tried to paint . just a few catachans and a chaplain . I am the same with illustartions as well , i have kept away away from colour my entire life scared to jump in , with so many things to consider, tone and complimentary colours. ect. although in graphics i use colour freely, maybe its a brush thing! ;-)
I too am hoping to get better at painting and might try out again today!
again nice blog, and wonderful minis
@ Weety tried your advice last night. A couple of washes with a 50% brown and water. I am really pleased with how it came out!
@ Neil101 Thanks mate! That sort of post is always good to come to work to in the morning. Not that I am posting at work oh no oh no. When I was younger I used to paint a model in 5mins. Now I take several hours (I need to speed up as I have a few hundred). My sole of piece of advice is take it slowly and have plenty of patience. Looking at your manifactorium (everyone should check out Neil's blog some great stuff there...but he is right no colour!) you have plenty of it. Just take your time.
When will the primarch be done? It is cool you are making your own legion! Legion makers are so hard to find now adays! but how are they gone for that long from the imperium?
So I am extremely pleased with this mini. In fact I think it is my best yet. Total painting time about 6hrs. Generally between midnight and 2am. Not a good time to paint, but the only time I have currently. (Its also not helpng my coffee addiction).
What do you all think? Any ideas for my next one?
Btw...this is my VERY FIRST COMPLETED SON OF SIGMAR!!
Hey man. Good point. I am waiting till I get some Sigmar bits from the UK - so around Xmas. I have a basic model already made. But I would really like to improve it as I saw this:
I am thinking thrud the barbarian, in space, with two hammers.
As for the fluff, reposted from page 1. What do you think?
Fluff Background
A long time ago at the ULU Gamesoc I had the pleasure of playing WFRP with the great Reverend Lepper. As a fresh faced undergrad who had been reading and using Lepper's work for literally years this was beyond a dream come true. One day the Rev didn't show, and me and a fellow roleplayer descended into the crypt (the society storage room) just to pass time. It was literally a treasure trove, and if someone had not been in their I think I would have significantly increased my collection on miniatures. But I didn't and we pulled out a dusty copy of Blood Bowl and had a game. In the box was a solitary white Dward, I think Pre-100th issue. In this time White Dwarf was good. And it included WFRP suppliments as well as bits on almost unknown games today (I am sure you know what I mean). But to cut a very long winded story short...this issue of WD had a WFRP scenario in it where a group of adventures stumbled up a Mt in Lustria and found a Space Marine Drop Pod.
This is partly what inspired this army. The other is the sometime dire, sometimes excellent Horus Heresy series, a fascination with the Last of the Mohicans twixt Pre-Heresy SM and...well..a lot of old minis that I need a explanation for....
I realize that if anyone reads this, some of you will be against it, but you know...in the old days all these games were linked together...and that's the key...it is just a game...
For your consideration...the 2nd Legion.
The Fluff.
During the Great Crusade, in a time before the Emperors Return to Terra but after the finding of the Primarch Alpharius, the Emperor in all his wisdom had a vision.
It was of his missing Primarchs. He saw that the powers of Chaos had ushered two off his sons into the warp, and saw their journey through it to a small planet where thousands of spacecraft and races had crashed trapped by unending solar storms and fluctuations in the Warp around the planet. Due to the anarchic nature of the Warp his two Sons, unknown brothers, crashed on the planet apart. Of one son he knew no more, but of the other he saw all his life from the crash of his birthing pod on the planet, his wars. He saw that at fifteen his young son had defended his village singlehandedly from green skin gretchens, and had defeated a green skin war band in retribution! He saw the freeing of a ancient squat forge-master and the bonds of friendship born between Super and Ab-human. He saw the boy, age fifteen receive a force weapon of unimaginable power as a gift from the Squats. He saw the unification of the human population – descended from thousands of ships crashed after becoming lost in the warp. He defeated men possessed by those beyond the Ghoul Stars.
Finally in the twilight of his vision he saw his son fight his son, brother fight brother. And his son who he had watched enter manhood in a matter of seconds remained un-defeated. The Emperor of all Mankind knew that this was his greatest Son, for he held no ambition yet the fulfilment of duty, no hope except the defeat of choas, and strength enough to defeat a brother without harm to himself. If ever he had an heir this was he for he knew he would not suffer the petty rivalries that plagued his found Sons and their Legions. The Eleventh Legion , that of his defeated Son who had been corrupted beyond all recognition but that of the Emperor were dispatched to the very edge of the galaxy where they were to give service in what was to be a unknown suicide mission of protection and diversion against the increasing threat of a species yet unknown to all bar the Emperor. The Emperor ashamed of his failure with the Eleventh, and wishing to conceal the identity of the Second till he could present his Son to all his Primarch’s as a completed family deleted from record all knowledge of these mighty Legions.
The Emperor of Mankind immediately returned to Terra leaving his first Son, Horus, as Warmaster on the Great Crusade in his place and asking his Sons to show their greatness! Upon Terra the Emperor knew he must create a device that would enable him to communicate with his Son through the warp storms that ravaged his planet. He knew it would take a generation to conceive and construct so, for this period he created the Council of Terra, and the Imperial Tithe so that his Empire, that of Mankind, would continue whilst he worked in solitude on what became known as the Golden Thrown, a device designed to communicate solely with his Son by halting time and thereby finding paths through the storm. He sent the gene-seed Legion of his Son to the planet, thought the warp, guided by himself on the Golden Thrown. It took immense concentration and around him events were unfolding that would bring to the very brink of destruction his Empire.
The Emperor having completed his Golden Thrown communicated with his Son for the first time and they bonded like no other Son had bonded to his father. By now his Son had ruled his people for fifty years and was seeking new challenges and was beginning to wonder why he had not aged whilst those around him passed into legend. The Emperor told him of his history, of his brothers, of his aims; for the enlightenment of all the galaxy and the defeat of Chaos, and told him that to transport him off of his planet was fraught with danger and that he would need travel alone, for only his super-human constitution could save him given that his planet had yet to invent any form of sophisticated space flight or automation and mass production.
The Son left his people and headed to the highest peak on his planet where he waited for a sign. A year later a pod crashed near his small campsite. The armoured men inside had not survived the landing and they were left where they lay. For inside the pod lay the means for the Primarch to leave the planet and reach his Legion above. His Father across interstellar distances directed him in the use of the craft and he left his homeworld promising that one day he would return and free his people. As he reached his Armada above the planet he was contacted by his Father who was heartbroken for his first Son, Horus, had turned against him, and civil-war had broken out in the Galaxy. Years passed as the armada slowly made their way through the warp to where they believed Terra lay, for no message more was heard from the Emperor for months.
Until the lost Primarch heard again from his father. He told his Son he had been imprisoned on his thrown after collapsing from the exertion of defeating his Son turned Traitor - Horus. He informed his Son that he must defeat the institutions that held him Prisoner, the Council of Terra (who were telling the populace he had been mortally and was a God, a Omnisiah, neither of which were correct), and seek his freedom if it take Millennia and the destruction of a Billion lives, for he foresaw the power of the institution and saw that it was corrupting his vision in to something intolerant and hateful and would lead to countless trillions being sacrificed in his name, and in the name of his still loyal though now misguided Sons. The Primarch told all this to his Legion and there was much sorrow. But from this the Legion yet untested with their new Leader grew stronger. For they resolved that if they were the last of the true Space Marines they could not fail in their task for the future of the human race was at stake. They must bring light to the darkplaces and there was no grimmer or darker place than the visage the Emperor was painting of the galaxy.
Though the journey through the warp for the armada took but a few years as they were guided by the Emperor himself on the outside Millennia had passed, and as armies of the Second Legion re-entered the Galaxy in the 41st Millennium it was one unrecognisable to all of them even the Emperor seeing through his sons mind that he had been trapped for ten thousand years.
Now the last of the Primarchs, his loyal Space Marines, and the armies of the Second Legion fight towards Terra and no man or monster shall stop them. For they must free the Emperor from the Imperium that has chained him, and bring enlightenment to the Galaxy once more. The Last of the Primarchs know that the task is near impossible but with the guidance of his imprisoned father they hope that finally right makes might.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Anyone want any cheese with that fluff?
I told you I like last of the mohicans. Its reasonably similar in a completely different way.
Thats pretty different fluff!! but in keeping with what I've read in some of the horus heresy books.
Is that symbol on the shoulder pad like a two tailed comet?
He has more depth now thats for sure. but if you really wanted to go crazy you could now add highlights! The colour scheme is good - always a bonus when starting a new chapter. I once started my own chapter - they were red, blue and gold in a kindof alternating checkerboard pattern and they where scarily garish, but then I chickened out and painted blood angel symbols on em - said they were like the blood angels disco guard
quote "but then I chickened out and painted blood angel symbols on em - said they were like the blood angels disco guard "
Thanks for the advice patience is a fleeting thing is'nt it ,sometimes you have It , sometimes you don't .Good read on that fluff! different to the usual stuff. and thanks for the PLUG!
that sounds about right. The army shot looks cool! You look like you could do witha big pile of space marine arms and those sigmarites will be nearly done!
Bob Olley, that guy who made the squats has joined dakka and is posting updates on his mini sculpture. At least I hope its him and not someone pretending.
Hey Weet...you are right. I am in need of about 80 pairs of arms, and weapons, and backpacks.
If you read page one you'll see I made a elementary mistake a decade or so ago.
I checked out Bob Olley...awesome. I wonder if he will find it weird that we are trying hard to look after some of his early work?
Last night I knocked out most of a techmarine, and a captain 'Elvis' for my guard. I need to paint quciker because I calculated that if I am spending a average of 6hrs per model, and I have around 500 models, that is 83 days to paint. I can't afford that (time wise, or economically) so I did the 50% of the tech and 50% of the guard.
If I can finish them, and start another tonight I should be on track to finish late next year. Left my camera at home, so pics tomorrow!
Ahh time pressure. drag... (im guessing that means 83days of solid painting? thats quite a lot of hours). have you thought about selling your soul to the devil for faster hands?
I'm trying not to think about how long it will take me to paint every RT model ever... but then unlike yourself my real life isn't exactly busy and my job is so easy, I just wander down the road to Poundstretcher and sell stuff to people for 4 hours a day (slower pace of life down here in the west country - things get done dreckly, which means maybe tomorrow or possibly next week). But lets just say I will probably be here till I have a mid life crisis and then I will try and find something meaningful to do to regain the youth I frittered away painting minis
Bob olley - "we're not worthy, we're not worthy" cracked me up that did.
Arms and other such bits can aometimes be had online but obviously will cost more to post - try looking on the australian ebay they are closer to you.
That is a little scary - I mean I like them, but am I prepared to waste that much time...no. But. Do I have anything better to do? Not really.
Haha.
Yes. I hope he doesn't think I am some sort of Wacko.
I am from the land of the Shire. So, work usually involves cider/beer and slaughtering chickens. As a vegetarian who doens't like cider I don't really fit in! Haha. Saying that, when I finally get home, the West Country is where I will be looking for my own little hobbit hole (literally, thats what I want).
Anyway. Bad day at the office. Also...I seem to have eaten something dodgy...I hope it wasn't the mayo that has been in my fridge for a long [i] time.
I like the cider, but if its not your cup of tea theres local ale and homebrewed blackberry mead. mmmmmmmmmmmm.
I like the idea of living in a hole - so long as it is on high ground or it'd be damp.
So obviously not a hundred percent done. The tech needs a back pack plus some tidying up and HIGHLIGHTS, whilst 'Elvis' (can you see his burners calling in the night?) needs a fair amount to do. I have to say, it is easier to paint plastic than metal, but metal is better.
Indeed
FYI, not appropriate to sing along to this band in the workplace.
EVER.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Sorry about the rotations, I am on a vry old vry slow pc.
well if you look at the map I'm down at the little toe-like lump at the very tip of the southwest corner! so bout 200 miles from somerset. But similar accent and love of cider. If you look up picture postcards of St Micheal's mount that's the view I have from my flat - lucky me
Finally, with regard to what @ Asherian Command said the other day, I am thinking of converting this chappy to be my Primarch Sigmar....actually...I can't find him on reaper...but it is the model here, or one very similar, found on Moltar's blog
haha @ Miss Dee...yep I know that...any chance you know what where etc? Weety is always good at finding pickers of her GW stuff...just wondering if any one might have a idea who this guy is. He has a very weird hand shoulder pad.
Painted 'Bromden' tonight in 59 mins. Really pleased. Gave him a black eye as I messed up the right one. He is the Knifeman from the last chancers. I will post at some point tomorrow.
With another mini. Got to undercoa somemore soon. Running out.
yeah I've got two unpainted ones like that but with different poses. and one of thems carrying a blow torch! They are from the late 80s before GW had worked out all the fluff for mechanicus. so unlike later models these dont appear to be affiliated with mechanicus - no cog-wheel-skull icon. And I suppose cos they did skull shoulder pads for the chaplain they thought maybes skeleton hand would look good for techies. Its a shame you dont have a good view of the other shoulder pad as I know that they are quite cool - all dials and wires and stuff. Thats all I can tell you right now.
Here he is. 410506. I think I might have all his brother Techmarines as well. As they look familiar.
So last night I knocked out 'Bromden' in 59 minutes flat. I started at 5.01pm when I got in from work, and finished at 6.01pm.
I was rushing the eyes at the very last and made a fairly massive era. But I turned it in to a black eye. Is it worth keeping it as that? Or shall I go back and improve.
Bromben is cool - the eye makeup works cos he is a bit tribal. what is he? just a random guy with a knife. I think I can glimse a gun poking out from the other side so I guess he must be w40k
Oh yeah - they were quite cool them. lots of character and they all had names, which I like. I'm tempted to name all my models: Keith, Bob, Terrence and Dave etc
Yep. They are from the Last Chancers box set. I really liked the models when they came out, and because they are metal they did not get eaten with the rest of my models. I think there were the last things I bought pre-WFRP and CoC conversion. So....
I have decided to do some undercoating today as I still have a lot of models to do.
I knocked out a model last night in 45mins to a decent standard. I will post pics tomorrow as I forgot to take them before I left home to go to my friends who has outdoors space for undercoating.
First of all. I think I should invest in a better mode of transport.
Here are some of the guys who are up for undercoat today:
Some Robots, Some Squats, Sat Ratlings, some IG, some mental Psykers, some Sigmarite Marines....
...and a surprise which I will show you after they are undercoated.
@ A Black Ram, Hi thanks for posting! Yes...I have dreamed of a Sigmarite army for a decade, and I just love these old guys so combining the two is a pleasure!
To be honest I am not too sure (my girlfriend is telling me that I should sit down and catalogue them as I have a lot - and she likes Excel). I am pretty sure I have the first ever Space Marine Scout, I also have a Chainsaw Warrior. My rarest is probably 'Shorty' who is the first ever 'Ratling'. You can see an example of him on Weetskemians last WD page load up.
Oh according to @Ambul I have an extremely rare Dragonlord from Grenadier miniatures. He collects that particular type and has never seen a picker of the one I have. If you scroll back a couple of pages you can see him.
Was just spraying my 30 or so minis in this batch and I ran out of black paint. So will need to go and find some...but I will probably get grey this time. I have only sprayed the front of the minis black, so I think I will do the back grey, and these guys will just have a lightsource on their backs.
Mano
Automatically Appended Next Post: Actually...my oldest models are probably some of my preslotta halflings...but they aren't 40k.
I really like halflings. Reminds me of home. Though I am a bit like Carrot Ironfounderson as I am 6'3.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Had a major scare earlier...thought I had lost 1/2 my halfling army. Turns out it was in a box that was full of warhammer I had completely forgotten about....took me 40mins to discover.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So I have been quite productive model wise (not work wise narg) today. Have about 40 mins which fingers crossed are drying well with a cheapo can of grey spray. And then I have poured paint stripper all over the last remaining and hardest to strip models.
Last night, whilst drinking a nice cool beer in my sweltering room, it dawned on me in my semi-sober state that I had misplaced about 20 Halflings. Panic came over me as I realized that they weren't in my modeling trays, my sock draw, my bookcase or anywhere else. I called up my girlfriend who was no help. I panicked.
Then 40 mins later I found a box which I had completely forgotten about over the last year (this does not bode well for my return home at Xmas where I shall look for other minis which have been stacked for nearly a decade).
As soon as I found them I reaslied I was being a bit amateur in my treatment of my miniatures. Which it turns out are quite rare and valuable (some worth of 5 english squids!).
So, whilst I have spent a few months on the 40k Sigmarites, and I will continue to work on them, I am going to tackle all my other miniatures that I have. Some of them I won't be able to do straight away - as they are in my parents house in the UK. I am also, as soon as I get 50% done going to undertake a brand new Imperial Guard Army, which will be highly converted, and hopefully come in at under a hundred pound total cost. However I won't launch that yet, so I won't advertise it. There won't be any oop in that one, but hopefully there will be lots of GS and win. The other thing I am going to do is catalogue what I have, because its not good not knowing what I have or where it is. That is a good way to lose a lot of models, which is really what it is all about.
So these are my projects:
40k Sons of Sigmar (I have painted 30 odd models out of about 500)
Firmir Mordheim Band ( I have about 10 Firmir, and 1 or 2 Zoats)
Sigmarite Political Activists (Can't think of a better word currently) Redemptionist Necromunda Band
Halfling Army (I have about 60 halflings. I also have some Dogs of War Heavy Support - 2 brand new Golthags Ogres squads, and I need to come up with some scratch built hot pots)
Human Blood Bowl Team - From the box. I picked up the game at a Car boot sale for a fiver. I started painting them a decade ago. Need to finish.
Secret IG Army - Don't have anything for this bar a tank. However I want to do it for less than 100 squids.
Oh. My Ninja Mordheim Band - Back home I am certain I have a Samurai and a Grand Master. I want to make some temple dog riders.
Oh....
And I have something, actually I have 25 of something, that I think will blow your cotton socks off. I'll show you those, if I can find them, at Xmas. I am debating to call them the Comets, and they will go with my Sigmarites, but they require a shed load of work (partly as I have to replace all the plastic bits I melted 10 years ago).
That's about it. Now for some pictures. I still have a lot of mini's back home, in the UK, and that's why I don't have pictures of everything that I am dealing with. A lot of this will be painting, reparing, small amounts of Green Stuff. Mainly I am hoping it will be fun to rediscover stuff I packed away a long long time ago, in a country far away....
thats a lot of minis! I like your ratlins and squats a lot!, and havent seen that ogre in years! never actually owned either , might jump to ebay to get myself one of each, for a treat! and just thought i would let you know iam in the process of painting my minis as well now :-0 !
@ Neil101 - Glad to see you are painting! I really like Ratlings, which is why I picked up the new pack straight from the shop last Xmas.
@ Weety - thats 20years of collecting mine and other peoples miniatures. And not doing anything with them bar taken them out, look at them, sigh and put them back.
@ Monkeytroll Yeah. Bikes were my favorite. They were ok priced when I was younger...so I could buy one a week with my measily weekend job pay and still afford a 4 pack of stella.
@ Weety! Thanks...I was a bit doubtful about him. But I played with the light settings and he came up well. I wish I could have done the 010110 better on his sacred text, but hey - will go back in 6 months, 500 minis later, and can probably write a verse.
So the oddest thing I have now painted too is a carton of chocolate milk, and Primal Fear. My ipod is not a hedgehog (i.e. it is buggered) and I don't have TV so I was stuck with a dwindling supply of DVDs...I've seen Primal Fear before so I am not entirely sure why a. I have that on DVD, and b. I watched it. So here is my Ratling. I did well on his eyes, but not so elsewhere. He is ok - smallest mini I have painted, and wasn't too hard to do, so that is encouraging. Going to pick up some sand from the site at the weekend, so will experiment with basing next week....
For my Very Chickeny Fighting Chickens I would kill, well ok, pay handsomely for some Halfling Housewives. I would also like 2 bloodbowl halfling team squads. If you look at the upppercut position of the arms they are perfect for the 'Crotch Breaker Regiment'.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Any body want to tell me what to paint next....?
I notice you have a very minimalist palette. I would suggest buying some different shades of green and brown as the ones you have are not the nicest - and I'm guessing you wont need to spend your money on minis anytime soon
Automatically Appended Next Post: well the green anyway - too slime colored for my taste - I like a good jolly woodland green
Automatically Appended Next Post: Fighting Cocks!!!
Actually I will invest in some at xmas. My problem being...like that gold...the paints I can get my hands on are either a bit off or of limited range. For instance: I cannot get hold of black. Or white. And my gold is off. I got a thing of basic paint set which is about 20 paints or so.
However....I will use new colours tonight as I aspire to be like your minis. I also as usual forgot to shade and highlight.
Undercoat
Paint
Shade
Highlight
Wash
Is that the right order?
btw...any good suggestion for a brick type colour?
Automatically Appended Next Post: I would also like some mithril silver.
I can see your problem yes. Cant get white or black! If it helps I have had success using plain artists acrylics white and black.
brick type colour - well if you mix that red you have with the pale brown and then wash it with some watered down black... oh dear, well forget the black.
yeah I can see your paints in the photo of you desk - they came out when i was 15 and I didn't like them - they had a tendency to dry up and separate. I still have the really old ones with the hexagonal and cylindrical shape and the snap down lids - they have mostly stood the test of time as they still seem mostly fine despite being 20 years old. I think maybe games workshop deliberately worked some planned redundancy into their newer paints so as to keep us buying? dont quote me on that though
no I have seen the close ups of you undercoat and it is definatly too shiney by half
you wont get such good results from that as the paint will keep slipping. You want matt always matt. I'm using hi-coat matt acrylic car primer at the mo
Automatically Appended Next Post: well i better get breakfast.
Good luck finding the paint!!
Crud the barbarian. It was really dificult to paint last night it just wouldn't stick.
Should I just re-strip the metal ones?
I found something that eats the paint really quickly but it also eats plastic. So the sprayed plastic ones...luckily not too many will have to stay I think.
I will buy some Matt tonight hi-coat acrylic.
And I will search for acrylic paints...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Thanks for the advice btw...I really like the way you do yours...
I might try a light spray for the plastic ones as they are so hard to get the paint to stick. The shoulder pad on the marine above (was my best one) took about 5 coats to get.
Will be interested to see what you do after your quest for perfection...something like ambulls rebuild of er an ambull. :-)
stripper!! (remeber that episode of blackadder the second?)
"see the little goblin, walking down the street, see his little ears and nose, isn't the goblin sweet"
Descending into Randomness , Nice!
about the shiny paints, i too have being buying mat car paints , for the boys minis. I got a satin one by mistake and its terrible! although i did undercoat my beast with it! ok for vehicles and buildings. But i bit the bullet and bought the expensive gw one ath the weekend for the tiny perry minis, didnt think the car sprays would cut it on such small detail. And i have to say , its very good. A perfect mat finish ,and spray paint is so fine , it really captures detail well!. Cant you get the Gw stuff in the Phillipines?
"Luck, Wahey! Get it?"
chorus"no"
" Oh,come on. Sounds almost exactly like Fu-"
....
*music* Blackadder couldn't hold his beer, The art of boozing he's not mastered. And I, your merry balladeer, am also well and truly plastered....
Yes, I can. My friend is a missionary and on his last visit abroad brought back with him the chief of a famous tribe. His name is Great Boo. He's been suffering from sleeping sickness and he's obviously just woken because as you've heard, Great Boo's up.
And I remember those psycho-hobbits too, no idea where they are now...
@ Oh Weety, can it be true? That I hold here, in my mortal hand, a nugget of purest Green? Good way to start my day reading about Blackadder.
@ Neil101. I can but it is in really limited supply. Like, 1 shelf. I was telling Weety that I can't even get black and white paint.
@ Monkey Troll...I started reading your reply as a reply to Neil...and it was making sense...until I got to the famous tribe. Ever played Baron Munchausen? I believe he did that with just a lump of plasticine and a bottle of cough syrup.
UPDATE!!!
Guys. I went a bit overboard last night as I was determined not to lose anymore than my alloted 83 days solid painting to finish this project. After nearly 30 minutes deliberation over Spray Paint (I couldn't see Hi-Mat anywhere so got High Flat) I went home, rustled up a makeshift spray room in my bathroom (I live alone and no one has yet seen my tiles...oops) and did a test!
Oh and it worked so beautifully. A real nice khaki colour took hold on my guys. So when I got back from the gym I laid out more paper and sprayed and sprayed in my not well ventilated bathroom until I ran out of spray! But...it has done an awesome job. Especially on going over the bad spray job I did the other day. I tested it on some of the plastics I knew I couldn't strip and I am very pleased with how it took, so I will just give a light coat to all the minis I did the other day when I pick up another can.
THEN I painted skin onto about 20 minis, and it held and looked awesome (I think). The khaki undercoat really brings it to life.
So very pleased with last night...
Will post proper pics tomorrow...but here are two that I grabbed on my phone as I left the camera at work....
Mano
Automatically Appended Next Post: So sorry about these poor pics, much better pics tomorrow I promise.
You get kudos points if you know what the first image is from.
Anyway, going to spin off the Halflings onto another blog so this one reverts back to 40k.
Nice work mate , you need a personal Gym paint instructor! Give me twenty undercoats , dont stop you weekling!
" panting out of breath"
NOW GIVE ME TWENTY MORE NO EXCUSES!
" no more undercoating please"
PICK UP THAT BRUSH , JUST TEN MORE AND YOU CAN QUIT!
i cant ... ok just ten
KIDDING I WANT ANOTHER TEN, OR YOU WILL BE REMOVING MOULDLINES AS WELL , HOWS THAT FOR MOTIVATION!
arh bugger!
hey manokok I just got the signature line at the bottom of your posts! Classic film. For some reason I really want to watch blackadder now - which episode is the one with the "purest green" bit? I remember wasisname was trying to make gold but ended up with green.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And keep up the good work. Bit of an epic mission huh
weetyskemian44 wrote:hey manokok I just got the signature line at the bottom of your posts! Classic film. For some reason I really want to watch blackadder now - which episode is the one with the "purest green" bit? I remember wasisname was trying to make gold but ended up with green.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And keep up the good work. Bit of an epic mission huh
@ Miss Dee. I think I have 8. I will count tonight. I am getting lost with all my miniatures as I am now storing them in my bathroom, desk, laptop bag (its padded) and kitchen.
@ Weety. Yes I used to have something about killing space marines...then I realised that was a bit tooo geeky...I do like that movie. :-)
@ Monkeytroll KUDOS again! I think you got the last one as well!!! No sadly not, though I have 8 sentinels, in a sorry state of repair as I dropped the box they were in and will have to pin the legs back on. I have put some paint on the first one. The new spray paint/colour is a joy to work with its just a little powdery.
@ Miss Dee. I learnt a valuable lesson with spray and ventilation. Apart from coughing so much yesterday I thought I saw the inside of my lungs but a strange film has settled in my bathroom. So I will be putting the stripper to work tonight. Its a Php179 for some really toxic stuff. Sadly that probably is the price for the other type of stripper, and probably equally toxic.
Oh god I am thinking of that Brittany Spears song now. WhYYYYYYY!
Sorry about the poor quality...got home really late last night, and was slightly lightheaded by the remaining fumes of the spray.
Have one more set of models to undercoat, and then that is about it for a few months.
I like the way the vehicles have come out. I think my next army will be this khaki colour.
Last picture: any ideas how to paint camo? Weety...I want to take more time on my painting (decided I should make each one as good as possible....so highlights washes etc)...45mins is too quick.
@ Moonshine...and Sageheart! Thanks guys! Need some encouragement, as you will see below!!
@ Weety - too much of both I fear.
UPDATE:
So it was absolutely tipping it down when I left work yesterday so I left my camera at work so that it wouldn't get damaged as I left my umbrella at home - meaning for the second day running I got drenched.
Now. Where to start. Ok:
UNDERCOATING:
I've got through three cans of spray in two days. Not including the wrong can I bought the other day, and the half can I finished the day before that, that is a lot of spary. I am guestimating that I have sprayed close to 250 - 300 models, bits and bobs (I now have another problem I will get into) tanks, bikes and just generally everything I could find that I was remotely ready to paint. I got really light headed, my bathroom (just a rubbish extractor fan for ventialtion) was covered in a film, and where my rushed paper protection was not good enough I had spots of spray on the tiles. I finsihed spraying at about 9pm last night and had a beer. Then I sprayed glass cleaner on the areas I had accidently sprayed and it came of really easily. I was pleased by that as I don't think my body could have taken any more fumes from the paint stripper. So that was a relief.
I felt a big like Alexander this morning:
'When Manoknok saw the breadth of his undercoating, he wept, for their were no more models to spray.'
That isn't entirely true as I have about 80 models here that still need to touched up, altered before undercoating, and then at least 100 in the UK. But I am over the hump.
PAINTING:
Of course now that I have done so much undercoating (and the preceeding paint stripping) it has left me with the task of painting them. I have decided after a fluctuation for speed over the last couple of weeks to do all these models to the very best of my ability. THIS IS GOING TO TAKE ME AGES.
What I am currently working on is:
Fighting Manoks (see other blog)\
Chaplain
Sentinel
LandRaider
Ratling
Ogryn
Five models should be enough to keep me interested. It is also about 1 percent of what I have. I really liked the came scheme I have on the ogryn-it came out really well in the end (I'll post a pic tomorrow). But I think Weety is right - I need more colours: Can anyone suggest a handful of colours to search for? I have to admit I really like that kinda icey blue people use for power weapons....
MODELS:
So to answer the question: I have 9 techmarines. I have to organise my models better as I could not find that Adeptus Mechanicus Squat last night - and it took me 30 mins to locate him. I don't think I have lost anything yet, but I better sort myself out soon as it is only a matter of time.
I have 5 Chaplains. 2 of them were missing their clubs (mine is a athiest army) so I scratchbuilt some ones with bits of Flagelant pack. For the 9 techamarines I have knocked together some back packs out of SM Backpacks, Screwdriver bits, and Cotton buds. Its not going to win any Golden Deamons, but it looks OK.
So that is about it. I will try and get some decent photos up. Finish the ogryn tonight. And perhaps make a good dent on the tank. I am really pleased how that is coming along. However, I see why people use spray guns.
So...till tomorrow.
Cheery Bye
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ps. The other problem is this:
I have so many bits of tanks, bikes, models, arms, weapons, etc that I am a bit worried I may not be able to remember where everything goes....
well what I do with my bits is just chuck em ina box for conversions. You might find out where they go eventually - And at the end when you are fed up with the bits put the bits box on ebay as people will pay up to 15 -20 quid for a large bits box. I did manage to get a reasonably cheap bits bag for 4 squids bit it was very small (the important thing was that it had what I needed in it).
I reckon you need a brighter woodland green (specially when you do your halflings) and a sky blue (ultramarines blue is good - and if you can find some white you can make that power sword color with it) And if possible an all purpose wash like devlain mud or armour wash or army painter medium/light shader
So. I dropped two models last night which was a bit annoying. One was this terminator I did a little GS stuff on. The GS and arm (one of my few) promptly fell off. Same with the Ogryn. A little GS, a drop and the arm falls off...
chuckles! I love that halfling, he looks real mean and sneaky and the little bits of camo really work on him - I shouldn't be too worried about what the macro camera reveals, we've all done that and said omg it looked fine before I zoomed in. I think if you take some slightly wider group shots it will give a better idea of what they look like to the naked eye. From what I've seen you have a pretty steady hand!
the improvised techmarine arms are entertaining! the chainsaw one being my personal favourite!. They remind me of something... I think its the first episode of futurama when fry steps into the suicide booth and all sorts of weapons on little mechanical arms pop out and try and stab him
I was suffering a bit of painting exhaustion this weekend, only managed to paint 2 minis. Well and start a terminator. Wait did I paint 3? I'm losing it...I'm losing it...one model is blending into another.....
Saturday night - skint and nothing planned - I sat myself down with and sorted all the models out into draws (slightly over A4 sized). I have a draw for squats and ratlings, a draw for scouts and termies, 2 draws for marines and 2 for guard, and 1 for characters. I have a draw of bits and some vehicle bits.
Back home I have 2 boxes of warhammer (my mum checked for me).
Commander Cain: Haha Race you! (And thanks for posting!)
Aim for tonight...finish the terminator, and count what I have of each model type so I can work out what I actually have.
You sound tired mate , take it easy man or you will burn out! there is only one paint deamon on these forums ...Weety iam looking at you! and she sold her soul for that privelige. no man alive can paint as quick as the she devil! jk , i personally think she has an avid team of sqauts under her desk , cchained to a primer pot , with hands replaced with brushes , by monkeytrolls mad doc Edit Grimsnik ! Or i could just be purist green with envy! . Really like your sniper and your ogryn, you are doing an amazing job , to say you have a limited paint supply! also see some nice objective light sourcing and very RT looking terrain as well!
HAHAHAHAHAhahaheheheheteeehehe. sorry literally rolling on the floor laughing. I only do it to make you all jealous!! And manokok you are painting faster than me now! you could well make that deadline!
i just literally scrolled through or should i say waded through your thread of millions of minis. you sir, are legion...
and a bit mad i might add...i have abaout 10% of your minis and consider me pretty mad for that already...
how to keep track, how to keep motivated. where do you want to go with taht much? well i like to think your doing it just for art? did i guess right? thats got to be respected. i like your work/art, sometimes you seem to paint so thin your minis barely look like they´ve been primed. so this was meant to be a compliment^^...
as i write this the thread will be instintly subscribed, that could have happend faster for my liking^^ but as of now i will keep a close eye to your work.
bset wishes and keep on being as motivated as before. we are your fans^^
Hi. So today was a national holiday in the big PH. I spent the day sleeping (with naps) cooking and painting. Most of what I did was for the Fighting Manoks...but I did do a bit for the sigmarites.
I am getting burnt out on these guys, so I think I am going to vary things up a bit. Break them down in to squads, and have each squad fairly unique. This should then save my grey for vehicles.
What I did last night at about 1am (so numbers are vaguely accurate) is count everything I have here. I have a few bits more back home, but this is probably 80 %. I missing my rough riders and a couple of other bits I recall (terminator arms!! where the hell are they)...but essentially this is it, for 40k anyway...
Er.
I tell a lie. Ok. I am holding something back.
I ordered 60 guys yesterday.
Why? Because? They are cheap (non GW) and I think they will be fun to play and convert with. These guys won't be sigmarites so I am thinking of remiving some of my models from sigma and giving them to the my new army. Who are yet to be named, but will be traditional.
Anyway:
Here goes:
In my hands in Manila are:
75 Imperial Guards Men
5 Commissars
5 Sentinels
10 Sigmarite Redemptionists
12 Diggas
27 Scouts
40 Terminators (and 6 sets of arms! Doh!!!!)
5 Chaplains
1 Assassin
9 Techmarines
111 Marines (inc Heavy and Special wps)
25 LOTD 6 Beastmen (I have another 14 back home I am sure)
6 Bikes
3 Jet Bikes
3 Robots
11 Ratlings
12 Ogryns (8 proper 4 conversions)
4 Land speeders
3 Dreadnoughts
14 Squats
6 Rhinos
1 Demolisher
2 Predators
1 Whirlwind
1 Land Raider
Sigh. That is a hell of a lot to paint. Not that I am complaining.
But I need to vary my colours and think about points and breaking these guys up into armies.
@ Miss Dee. Yes yes he is. And I actually know where his head is!
Automatically Appended Next Post: @ Viktor Von Domm Thanks for the support! Currently my motivation and well every reason is to get it finished and be proud to put them on the table...with a story behind them. I guess the real reason why I am doing it is because of the models...I love the models...not so keen on playing..I prefer RPG, but I do love the models and inventing little skirmishes and stories for them...
yep, thats what i´m also doing when painting. when you hold a mini so long in your hands and paint it, you cant just dream something up for that almost living thing in your hand. making stories and for my part some kind of flashes like short movies in my head...i have a pretty vivid imagination so when i´m building/painting soething its like in the movies^^...
cheers mate and i envy you for your work before you!
Hey mate , you have too many classic minis, you know i could take some off your hands for you ;-) , just out of pure sympathy , you understand! to lighten your burden as it were lol! I like his animation too ;-) although now he needs a steampunk version!
btw is it warm in manilla , because its freezing here in blighty!
Shudder shudder
I have to admit, I haven't done anything since my last update (ok I painted the head of the assassin - about 0.001% of what I have to do and painted some warhammer (about 1% of what I need to do there).
I have been suffering some serious painting exhaustion. Actually, have been suffering generally. Got knocked for 6 by a bought of flu, and there is a lot of stuff going on at work, and at home (might be moving flat). All this has lead to a lack of energy and a rethink.
Its unrealistic for me to create my Sigmar army. So what do I do?
Well. I am inclined to preserver with it, but equally I am inclined to sell everything and build a cheap converted imperial guard army. I am inclined to preserver with it all AND build another army as well.
The latter will leave me close to 600 models to paint all of which I would want to do to the best of my ability.
The idea that I am thinking of at the moment is selling everything bar a few bits (some Ogryns, and 1/2 my beastmen). I've been looking on ebay and I could make quite a lot selling this off in parts, or in one go. For instance I have 27 Jetbikes and rough riders and commisar. I have a 6 metal landspeeders. And 3 plastic ones (all black templar painted from the 3rd ed box set). I reckon I could get at least a grand for everything though shipping etc will be a strike to the nads.
Alternatively, I could just not sell them and not get the money and try and paint them. Alternatively I could split my army in half and sell the OOP Imperial guard including the Jet bikes.
I really don't know.
If I chose to keep them and paint them I need to increase my rate of paint ten fold, and increase my pallet...
Anyway...
I'm inclined to sell of the Imperial Guard side (by far the bigger side) and continue with just space marines then do a normal Imperial Guard army...following a scheme and with mass paiting.
Oh. I'd keep the ratlings too.
So how much do you think I'd get for
1 squad Beastmen (proper 40k ones)
8 metal sentinels
20 metal cadians
20 metal catachans
5 commissars
50-60 rogue trader imperial guardsmen
27 jet bikes + rough riders?
is it worth it, or is it better to hold on to it?
I am going to try and do a poll...
Manok.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ps. I don't really know what I have. I have a lot of IG characters too. Like Yarrick. The guy who looks like a roman emperor. Erm. And I probably have more troops than listed.
Oh yeah. My squats...would sell them too including the A Mech squat.
tough choice , i have been buying oop imperial guard receantly , and was looking to pick up some jetbikes about 4/5 so if you do decide to sell mate , could you give me a pm!
some of the oop guards men would look cool in the john blanche diorama i am building. though having so many models can be a hamper to the creative process , i would never consider creating such a massive army for fear of boredom . i would just concentrate on squads of men at a time , and although a grande sounds alot you wouldnt get it in one lump sum i doubt , and may never appreciate the sporadic ammounts you do get!
i would say concentrate on one army and sell off what you dont need , but dont sell all of it!
Hmm, tough choice. I often find myself thinking that I have too much stuff. I tend to paint whatever I grab out of the box and keep at it until it is finished.
On the other hand, there are a lot of people who would love to have some of the oop models. It really depends on whether you are willing to part with the models because once they are gone they aint comin back
IMHO, I would sell the models and get some fresh new stuff.
So I just went through all ten pages of your blog here. Just one suggestion/question. Have you tried the new washes yet? Badad Black, Gryphonne Sepia or Devlon Mud, and Ogryn Flesh would be all you would need over all from the colors I have seen you use if your on a budget. It really makes a huge difference and easily adds the shading that really good painters do by the blending effect. I know how to do the shading the old way but it is really time consuming and the new washes and foundations feel like cheating at times with how easy they are to use.
I have actually painted whole models by using 95 percent washes. The other 5 percent was then picking out the fine details with proper colors.
Love your fluff and I also miss the days when Warhammer was just a planet that was lost to the rest of the 40k universe due to it being surrounded by severe warp storms. I also too believe that Sigmar is a lost primarch.
Manaknok I feel your pain! I have recently shelved my Skaven army due to burn out and started an easy to paint and model space marine army in an attempt to regain my 40k mojo.
My suggestion would be to sell off the models you don't need but leave enough for you Sigmarite army so that you can go back to it later, and for an easy army I would be wary of IG even a mech army need a fair few infantry models and lots of tanks, they are worth it for the leman russ alone though..gotta love pie plates
just a quick note 
), there are certainly many treasures which I would give a leg and an arm to have. Scratch-Building is also great, although I haven't summoned the courage to attempt it myself yet. I quite fancy a Thunderhawk, or some Drop Pods, though. 
I didnt mean you were old i meant the models were not the currently produced ones. I just started so i have only really seen the new ones.