This game has bad graphics? When did that happen, or am I not just insanely obsessive over having only the most detailed textures imaginable or something.
I already attributed it to my inner-metagamer: admittedly the problem is limited to given class setups, but why should I have to limit myself when my character is clearly a multi-talented genius?
I also neglected to add the Shouts; I felt a little torn talking about them. I've been told that once I've done the main story (and been made to feel fairly epic) they won't shatter my immersion so much but I don't know. I could contrast Skyrim giving you these abilities to Oblivion, where you just happen to be a 'normal' hero guided by destiny, but then Morrowind would be looming over the discussion, in which you're a freakin' God (though, that didn't really affect gameplay)!
The shouts were silly enough in my opinion that only one of my character (my assassin) actually followed the main story. I rather wish he hadn't because a sneaky wood elf isn't exactly a character type I imagine yelling FUS! It suits an adventurer I suppose and one could pretend a mage merely studies such things (after all, anyone can learn of 'the voice' apparently, it just comes more naturally to dragonborn). But it represented a unification of 'magical' skills between all my characters, when I wanted them to be purer in builds.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I also didn't really level enough to properly hybridise; I did use a sword as my mage but that's as far as I got with it. It was mostly a worry on my part that the temptation would always be there once more core skills were mastered.
I like the perks just fine, but I honestly wish we were forced to pick core skills like in Oblivion and could only level up by progressing those.
MrDwhitey wrote:This game has bad graphics? When did that happen, or am I not just insanely obsessive over having only the most detailed textures imaginable or something.
As an aside, I really like the dutch accent.
Interiors are fine I suppose; unless you're silly enough to go stare at a bar or a table and notice how the textures don't really match up (big fat dividing lines going down them), or stare at a brick too close. I also think the lighting is off in some places, the most notable being the start section at Helgen when you come to the potion room; the fur rug under the table is literally GLOWING. Though, I will admit, that I never played the game in its vanilla configuration and instead used a fairly extensive tweak guide.
Not to hate but...
- The Setting: There are marshes, and forests and blah de blah. Travel around a bit. - The voices: To each his own, I suppose. The nords are supposed to be nordic. Just saying. - Hybridization: I don't get this. So you're unhappy that you're given options? You don't have to choose those other options.
Want to play a mage? Level mage skills and only perk mage stuff. Want to play a thief?
Level thief skills and only perk thief stuff.
Want to play a spell-sword conjurer? Level whatever the f you want and perk what you want.
- Graphics, I play on PS3 on a big freakin TV. Looks fine to me.
Anyways, if you don't like it, no biggie. I'm sure there are other games for you.
I, on the other hand, enjoy it and I'm still really only on my first character past level 10.
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Henners91 wrote:The shouts were silly enough in my opinion that only one of my character (my assassin) actually followed the main story. I rather wish he hadn't because a sneaky wood elf isn't exactly a character type I imagine yelling FUS!
I never use the flashy shouts on my assassin. If I am exposed, I use the Marked for Death one and I just got Aura Whisper. Shouts are meant to be words of power, not 'shouts'.
I also didn't really level enough to properly hybridise; I did use a sword as my mage but that's as far as I got with it. It was mostly a worry on my part that the temptation would always be there once more core skills were mastered.
I like the perks just fine, but I honestly wish we were forced to pick core skills like in Oblivion and could only level up by progressing those.
Weird, I like the freedom to do what I want. Perks limit you so you cannot be the best at everything (max is something like 80 of 220 perks). Sure, you can max out all of your skills, but chances are you won't. Don't worry about all the choices and just focus on what you want to do.
Well as I said, I haven't despaired and thrown it into a bin yet, but I actually *can't* play it since my PC won't work. All I have to keep me sane is studying (does that work?) and Warhammer...
You find shouts immersion breaking for characters who wouldn't shout? Don't shout.
You find magic immersion breaking for characters who don't use magic? Don't use magic.
I have a level 50 thief, I had a level 32 paladin (RIP) and a level 11 mage that don't stray at all from their archtypes. My unarmed character is just for funsies though and he dabbles in everything.
Thank god there's no character classes. I'd have to start over from focusing on stupid crap. Now I can just reprioritize my skills. I just get better at what I'm doing most....you know, like irl.
corpsesarefun wrote:You find shouts immersion breaking for characters who wouldn't shout? Don't shout.
You find magic immersion breaking for characters who don't use magic? Don't use magic.
I have a level 50 thief, I had a level 32 paladin (RIP) and a level 11 mage that don't stray at all from their archtypes. My unarmed character is just for funsies though and he dabbles in everything.
Heh I'd originally wanted to play an unarmed monk because unarmed was actually fairly good in Oblivion; unfortunately that char type seems to be impossible to make a build for.
I get that people want to defend the game when they like it and perhaps you can spin it as a character flaw of mine that I worry I'll branch off into things, but the fact that it's there is still a problem for me.
Especially when I'm exploring dungeons and find a word of power; how can I RP that one? When my character starts drawing magical energy from the darn wall?
Guess I just have to shrug and accept that they're dragonborn... but absolute douches who abandon the just cause against the dragons and run off to join the stormcloaks/winterhold mage guild
Henners91 wrote:Heh I'd originally wanted to play an unarmed monk because unarmed was actually fairly good in Oblivion; unfortunately that char type seems to be impossible to make a build for.
Actually, you can do that pretty easy with a Khajit and heavy armor gloves with the perk.
Guess I just have to shrug and accept that they're dragonborn... but absolute douches who abandon the just cause against the dragons and run off to join the stormcloaks/winterhold mage guild
That's actually a major RP thing that people in this thread have been advocating... Characters that skip the main story and do what they want in the world. The great thing about the game is that this works well.
I wanted to find a system without having to consult google though. I know I can find the ingredients there, I just wanted a way of doing it without checking the internet every 2 minutes.
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KingCracker wrote:I found a really badass video some guy made, thought Id share it.
Now, why am I thinking of Evil Dead 3 when I watch this?
CthuluIsSpy wrote:I wanted to find a system without having to consult google though. I know I can find the ingredients there, I just wanted a way of doing it without checking the internet every 2 minutes.
I think, Henners (and excuse me for continuing the convo) that you shouldn't look at Oblivion as the thing to compare Skyrim to. In my mind, it's much more the sequel to Morrowind than Oblivion.
Oblivion was a generic Fantasy setting, with a generic Fantasy hero. Oh, sure, it had the Elder Scrolls leveling system, and Khajiit and Argonians and all, but the story was Generic. Portals to hell are opening up, and it's up to you to stop it.
The biggest difference between Oblivion and the rest of the Elder Scrolls games, however, was that you weren't the Hero. You were a lackey to the hero. Martin Septim was the hero. You were just some schlub who happened to be in the right jail cell, who the Emperor decided to help out. Maybe you were destined to help Martin win, but you were never destined to do anything more.
In Arena, you're the only one who knows what's happened. You are the one who must find the seven parts of the Staff of Chaos and defeat Jagar Tharn. In Daggerfall, you are the one that decides which of the 8 paths is taken, who activates the ancient Dwemer God. In Morrowind, you are the Nerevarine, prophecied reincarnation of the ancient hero of the Six Houses. In Skyrim, you're Dovakhiin, last of the dragonborn- the only man/woman alive who can permanently kill dragons.
This is where the Shouts come in, and the ability to pretty much do anything. You're Destined, and the universe is going to do its darndest to make sure you fulfil your destiny- but your character can shrug it off, and say "Who cares?" You could avoid Word Walls if you want, with your character being 'creeped out' by the weird magick.
Anyways, that's my take on it. Skyrim is more Evocative of the Elder Scrolls' spirit, because you're a major historical figure.
The textures- well, something had to be sacrificed, and like you said, there's gonna be mods for that.
I actually think the draw distance was something intentional. If you look off into the distance in the real world, you can't see everything in crisp detail- atmospheric scattering, dust, moisture all fuzzes the image as well as turning everything more monochrome and bluish as you look farther away- so, they did that with the game engine- and in Skyrim, instead of the sort of secondary, less detailed maps they used in Oblivion, everything you see is actually there. It's an impressive engine, really.
That vid was epic! That's the kind of battles I want to be in, that makes the civil war storyline "fort-fights" look like a tiny little punch-up compared to that...
corpsesarefun wrote:But you're not forced to do that...
Yeah, the only required quest at the beginning is the whole Unbound thing.
Other question though: Is it safe to use the auto-save at the character creation part to create multiple characters, or does it cause any issues later on? It is nice to skip the wagon ride at the beginning.
Cool. I didn't know if radiant quests were created as you go or when the original game was started.
Every time you start a radiant quest, the game generates everything for it. It is not pre-determined.
On that note, has anyone tried saving and reloading just before starting a radiant quest? If all conditions are the exact same before starting it, do you always get the same dungeon/enemies, or is there some randomness to it as well?
Has anyone here had any experience running Skyrim (or Steam in general) on Ubuntu? It's a Linux OS, because my Windows was just getting buggier and buggier and I sad "Feth that".
I can run Minecraft, and it seems that I can run Steam through Wine (would love to have a native client, but it seems the Linux community only does TF2 and Counterstrike) but every time I try to boot Skyrim it freezes on the first loading screen.
Avatar 720 wrote:Well, i've been having a bit of fun with the creation kit, namely making uber items and creating backstory for them in the form of books.
Anyone else done anything noteworthy* yet?
*Does not have to be noteworthy; am also not implying that what I have done is in any way noteworthy.
I built a room then copied said room then connected them via a hallway. So I'm gettin there XD. That being said I want to learn to make my own questline using a custom dungeon of sorts. A lot of work though since I have never created a mod for a game.
Anvildude wrote:Has anyone here had any experience running Skyrim (or Steam in general) on Ubuntu? It's a Linux OS, because my Windows was just getting buggier and buggier and I sad "Feth that".
I can run Minecraft, and it seems that I can run Steam through Wine (would love to have a native client, but it seems the Linux community only does TF2 and Counterstrike) but every time I try to boot Skyrim it freezes on the first loading screen.
From brief Googling, it appears it is possible to run Skyrim in Wine, but it's rather buggy and crashes are somewhat common.
But, just remember, you're a Linux user, so proceed with the following bug-fix process for Linux:
Learn to code in C++. Recompile the kernel. Build your own microprocessor out of space silicon you had lying around. Recompile the kernel again. Switch distros. Recompile the kernel again but this time using a CPU power by refracted light from Saturn. Grow a giant beard. Blame Sun Microsystems. Turn your bedroom into a server closet and spend ten years falling asleep to the sound of whirring fans. Switch distros again. Abandon all hygiene. Write a regular expression that would make other programmers cry blood. Learn to code in Java. Recompile the kernel again (but this time while wearing your lucky socks).
Anvildude wrote:Has anyone here had any experience running Skyrim (or Steam in general) on Ubuntu? It's a Linux OS, because my Windows was just getting buggier and buggier and I sad "Feth that".
I can run Minecraft, and it seems that I can run Steam through Wine (would love to have a native client, but it seems the Linux community only does TF2 and Counterstrike) but every time I try to boot Skyrim it freezes on the first loading screen.
I feel you, I run a personal FreeBSD server for mail, web, etc at home. I would never try to game on a unix machine though. As Grakmar parodied above, I'm not that much of a masochist.
Windows may be a horrible, horrible OS, but it does run games.
More like worst mod ever, imo. Why you would want to put something like that into Skyrim boggles my mind. I have always played the TES games for the immersion, so given that that mod mod completely breaks it since it doesn't fit into the world makes it the worst mod ever.
Heh. Armoured Core- the game where they put legs on robots that never touch the ground?
Something about Skyrim (and all ES games aside from Oblivion) is that you're playing what amounts to a Messianic Figure, the center of the story. You can be Barbarian Jesus, or Lord Krsna or kung-fu action Muhammed. You get to decide how History is written, and every time you play a later Elder Scrolls game, you'll find a book, or hear a bit of lore, or see a statue, and be able to think "That was me. I did that."
The techno viking made me laugh. Though I wished they made him walk at least a little ways, and point at some random dude, like in his video. But funny either way
Well, I had an utterly hilarious time getting the Aura Whisper shout. Turns out I'm practically invisible to Dragon Priests, but dragons kill me very fast. Luckily in the case of the one guarding the word wall for the last word, I had a handy mine to run in and out of.
KingCracker wrote:The techno viking made me laugh. Though I wished they made him walk at least a little ways, and point at some random dude, like in his video. But funny either way
Tried out ethereal shout for first time.
Epic facepalm, turns out it either
a) has a time limit
OR
b) you cant run/swing with weapon/do anything but walk or it wears off.
My poor dovahkiin, fell all the way off Throat of The World.
JohnnoM wrote:Tried out ethereal shout for first time.
Epic facepalm, turns out it either
a) has a time limit
OR
b) you cant run/swing with weapon/do anything but walk or it wears off.
My poor dovahkiin, fell all the way off Throat of The World.
you're doing it wrong. it's meant to walk on floors with boobytraps.
Oh, I played the old ones. Decent series, I think. Just got a bit silly in the lmore recent games where there's mach thrusters on everything. And it's good to hear they're getting their heads out of the clouds again.
Well a good cleaning out and a fresh install of Windows seems to have fixed my comp's ailments.
I've got Skyrim installed and followed the Skyrim Total Enhancement Project's steps to optimise and tweak it, installed all the recommended mods too.
Going to play a Heavy Armour Imperial with Sword 'n' Shield.
Wish me luck! Maybe if I put enough time into one character I will like it this time... I certainly found it much more immersive when I got too Riverwood and talked to Handar's family (I got no further than the Faendal-Sven bit, had to get some sleep )
Anvildude wrote:Oh, I played the old ones. Decent series, I think. Just got a bit silly in the lmore recent games where there's mach thrusters on everything. And it's good to hear they're getting their heads out of the clouds again.
Oh, I agree, the boosters, overboosters and quick boosters (and that mission with the ultra booster), were a bit silly, but it was a big load of fun to have. Though this might come from me being an absolute speed freak in games. (yet I hate racing games )
Wouldve been happier with a "kill every member of the sanctuary" quest like in Oblivion (didnt like near anyone in the guild), but other than that, it was decent. Did like cicero and the last shadowscale though.
Jollydevil wrote:Wouldve been happier with a "kill every member of the sanctuary" quest like in Oblivion (didnt like near anyone in the guild), but other than that, it was decent. Did like cicero and the last shadowscale though.
There's a quest called "Destroy the Dark Brotherhood!" where you have to kill every member of the Brotherhood (apart from Babette, I guess a 300 year old vampire that looks like a 10-year old still counts as a "child").
How to start the quest:
Spoiler:
If you are first starting the game.
1) Talk to the kid in Windhelm to start Innocence Lost
2) Complete Innocence Lost
3) Get a Mysterious Letter from The Courier
4) Sleep anywhere and get kidnapped
5) When presented with the 3 hostages by Astrid, kill Astrid and not any of the hostages
6) Congrats! You're on the quest to Destroy the Dark Brotherhood!
ANyways, Ive bought the Solitude house.
Like Cicero said:
'"Solitude". Hmmpf. Cicero can tell you some things about Solitude..'
Albeit I do prefer 'Next time Cicero meets the fair maid Nelly, he stabs her in the belly!'
Ohh, Cicero is awsome
I felt bad going werewolf and killing him.
I stabbed the crap out of him...
Sithis told me not to but what's he gonna do?
(If you summon the ghost fellow he tells you Sithis doesn't want you to kill Cicero... go figure...)
ANyways, Ive bought the Solitude house.
Like Cicero said:
'"Solitude". Hmmpf. Cicero can tell you some things about Solitude..'
Albeit I do prefer 'Next time Cicero meets the fair maid Nelly, he stabs her in the belly!'
Ohh, Cicero is awsome
I felt bad going werewolf and killing him.
I stabbed the crap out of him...
Sithis told me not to but what's he gonna do?
(If you summon the ghost fellow he tells you Sithis doesn't want you to kill Cicero... go figure...)
I stopped using him when he wouldn't help me get out of jail, and was babbling nonstop about random gak instead.
It adds new areas, improves guard AI/patrol routes as well as adding more guards to houses/shops and adding valuable locked chests to shops with hidden keys.
The latest version also adds a huge vault under solitude full of valuables that is incredibly hard to break into.
Does it solve the biggest problem with thieving in Skyrim? A lack of anything to spend money on.
I've got like 500k gold and probably twice that much in items sitting in my "to be sold" pile. Yet, once you've bought all the spells and houses, there's never anything worth buying.
Grakmar wrote:Does it solve the biggest problem with thieving in Skyrim? A lack of anything to spend money on.
I've got like 500k gold and probably twice that much in items sitting in my "to be sold" pile. Yet, once you've bought all the spells and houses, there's never anything worth buying.
Not to mention selling all that gear is a pain. Right now skill training for skill below 90 is helping take care of my excess cash. Generally running 80-120k.
I kinda want to make a 'true economy' mod. See about adding in additional coinage- silver pieces, copper pieces, etc. Food only costs a couple copper at the most, while even basic iron armour costs thousands of gold.
It'd be quite the undertaking, but I think I'd enjoy it.
Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.
One's racist and the other one tried to kill me.
They both get on to my special list...
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.
One's racist and the other one tried to kill me.
They both get on to my special list...
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.
One's racist and the other one tried to kill me.
They both get on to my special list...
Exactly.
So rather than try to make them both seem like good guys they have tried to make you choose between the least evil between the two?
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.
One's racist and the other one tried to kill me.
They both get on to my special list...
Exactly.
So rather than try to make them both seem like good guys they have tried to make you choose between the least evil between the two?
Not to get too smart but there's interesting political ramifications too. As a non-quebecois Canadian I'm instinctually against separatism. Especially when unity is needed in the face of a threat like the Thalmor. On the other hand, it probably wouldn't have even come to this if they hadn't outlawed Talos worship. That's a hell of a thing. Freedom of religon isn't actually that important to me, especially in psuedo-medieval times but in a way Talos is like the "Human God" and a Nord too boot. It's like outlawing the Imperial Cult on Terra. Obviously this is going to cause rebellion, it really was inevitable. However that law is a bit of a paper tiger. No Imperials enforce it afaik.
And I'm not even a Nord. And the Stormcloaks are very much "A Skyrim for Nords" race based nationalistic movement. That's not good for scaly minorities like me.
Anyways, I think I'll go with the Imperials because I still think the Empire needs to stay as strong as it can because the Thalmor will be back but I understand the Stormcloak motivations.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.
One's racist and the other one tried to kill me.
They both get on to my special list...
Exactly.
So rather than try to make them both seem like good guys they have tried to make you choose between the least evil between the two?
Not to get too smart but there's interesting political ramifications too. As a non-quebecois Canadian I'm instinctually against separatism. Especially when unity is needed in the face of a threat like the Thalmor. On the other hand, it probably wouldn't have even come to this if they hadn't outlawed Talos worship. That's a hell of a thing. Freedom of religon isn't actually that important to me, especially in psuedo-medieval times but in a way Talos is like the "Human God" and a Nord too boot. It's like outlawing the Imperial Cult on Terra. Obviously this is going to cause rebellion, it really was inevitable. However that law is a bit of a paper tiger. No Imperials enforce it afaik.
And I'm not even a Nord. And the Stormcloaks are very much "A Skyrim for Nords" race based nationalistic movement. That's not good for scaly minorities like me.
Anyways, I think I'll go with the Imperials because I still think the Empire needs to stay as strong as it can because the Thalmor will be back but I understand the Stormcloak motivations.
Well yeah that's the reason i would have sided with the Imperial if they hadn't tried to kill me...
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.
One's racist and the other one tried to kill me.
They both get on to my special list...
Exactly.
So rather than try to make them both seem like good guys they have tried to make you choose between the least evil between the two?
Not to get too smart but there's interesting political ramifications too. As a non-quebecois Canadian I'm instinctually against separatism. Especially when unity is needed in the face of a threat like the Thalmor. On the other hand, it probably wouldn't have even come to this if they hadn't outlawed Talos worship. That's a hell of a thing. Freedom of religon isn't actually that important to me, especially in psuedo-medieval times but in a way Talos is like the "Human God" and a Nord too boot. It's like outlawing the Imperial Cult on Terra. Obviously this is going to cause rebellion, it really was inevitable. However that law is a bit of a paper tiger. No Imperials enforce it afaik.
And I'm not even a Nord. And the Stormcloaks are very much "A Skyrim for Nords" race based nationalistic movement. That's not good for scaly minorities like me.
Anyways, I think I'll go with the Imperials because I still think the Empire needs to stay as strong as it can because the Thalmor will be back but I understand the Stormcloak motivations.
Well yeah that's the reason i would have sided with the Imperial if they hadn't tried to kill me...
Well, you don't know what you did. Maybe you deserved it.
I probably did.
But i like me and they tried to kill me.
In my eyes that deserves a good old fashioned stabbing...
Though i'd side with them against the stormcloaks who really don't like me...
purplefood wrote:I probably did.
But i like me and they tried to kill me.
In my eyes that deserves a good old fashioned stabbing...
Though i'd side with them against the stormcloaks who really don't like me...
I found a nice middle ground with my Dunmer... I joined the Dark Brotherhood, killed the Emperor, and then went and sided with the Imperials to make sure they could make it through that tough time.
Seriously, that one conversation completely changed my whole allegiance- from "I've served the Empire faithfully all my life" to "Screw you and the Empire that coddles you".
To be quite honest, I don't see Skyrim any more racist than the United States is.
Both have their bad apples who everyone focuses on, both have their bad apples in positions of power, and both ruin the reputation of the others.
I lean towards the Imperials just because the Thalmor will very likely be able to enslave the rest of Tamriel if the Empire does not stay together as is.
Hammerfell was able to fend off the Thalmor from invading their land when they seceded from the Empire, but that was immediately after the war with the Imperials.
For the long term health of Tamriel and the Orisinum, and for the ultimate destruction or pacification of the Thalmor, siding with the Empire is the best way to do so.
Skyrim would simply not be able to fight off the Thalmor on their own, its just not conceivable.
I side with the Imperials on the presumption that they will eventually turn hostile to the Thalmor in the near future and start whooping their ass, not because the Stormcloaks are "racist" or any other such simple generalization of a large force of people.
I don't see a Stormcloak Skyrim allowing the reconstruction and long term health of another Orsinium, so that is another factor.
In no way is it clear cut, however. If you simply wanted Skyrim to be on its own, and for them to join the Imperials as separate province to fight the Thalmor, that would very likely be the preferred option overall.
It really depends on what Bethesda says the victor does AFTERWARDS that really matters, the war in of itself is largely irrelevant.
Karon wrote:To be quite honest, I don't see Skyrim any more racist than the United States is.
Both have their bad apples who everyone focuses on, both have their bad apples in positions of power, and both ruin the reputation of the others.
I lean towards the Imperials just because the Thalmor will very likely be able to enslave the rest of Tamriel if the Empire does not stay together as is.
Hammerfell was able to fend off the Thalmor from invading their land when they seceded from the Empire, but that was immediately after the war with the Imperials.
For the long term health of Tamriel and the Orisinum, and for the ultimate destruction or pacification of the Thalmor, siding with the Empire is the best way to do so.
Skyrim would simply not be able to fight off the Thalmor on their own, its just not conceivable.
I side with the Imperials on the presumption that they will eventually turn hostile to the Thalmor in the near future and start whooping their ass, not because the Stormcloaks are "racist" or any other such simple generalization of a large force of people.
I don't see a Stormcloak Skyrim allowing the reconstruction and long term health of another Orsinium, so that is another factor.
In no way is it clear cut, however. If you simply wanted Skyrim to be on its own, and for them to join the Imperials as separate province to fight the Thalmor, that would very likely be the preferred option overall.
It really depends on what Bethesda says the victor does AFTERWARDS that really matters, the war in of itself is largely irrelevant.
This puts it well. Beyond re-canonising (or indeed re-deuifying) Tiber septim, the god of the common human, the stormcloaks have no long-term worth. They will only weaken man and the mer who dont wish to live under the aldmeri dominion. The Empire is the only choice.
purplefood wrote:I probably did.
But i like me and they tried to kill me.
In my eyes that deserves a good old fashioned stabbing...
Though i'd side with them against the stormcloaks who really don't like me...
I found a nice middle ground with my Dunmer... I joined the Dark Brotherhood, killed the Emperor, and then went and sided with the Imperials to make sure they could make it through that tough time.
...what? Killed The Emperor?!
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Anvildude wrote:See, I'd have sided with the Imperials too.
And then I talked to a Thalmor Justiciar.
Seriously, that one conversation completely changed my whole allegiance- from "I've served the Empire faithfully all my life" to "Screw you and the Empire that coddles you".
That must have been one hell of a conversation. Where's this guy?
purplefood wrote:I probably did.
But i like me and they tried to kill me.
In my eyes that deserves a good old fashioned stabbing...
Though i'd side with them against the stormcloaks who really don't like me...
I found a nice middle ground with my Dunmer... I joined the Dark Brotherhood, killed the Emperor, and then went and sided with the Imperials to make sure they could make it through that tough time.
...what? Killed The Emperor?!
Oooo "someone" hasn't joined the Dark Brotherhood yet
I've started a new character. It's a redguard mage whos biggest inspiration is "Kill stuff"
Turns out it's so much more fun than playing the good guy. Next time, I'll play an actual evil character, who's cruel and manipulative, but right now, slaughter all the way.
Heh. I just started a morally ambiguous Breton conjure spellblade. Two points in conjuring are beast (mystic binding). Ran across an imperial patrol with captive on the way to white run. Decided my character wasn't happy about the almost execution. They didn't last long.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:The Dark Brotherhood is....evil though right?
Nah, not really. They are a business first and formost. Their god has basically gone into business, he wants slaughtered souls, his servents need to make a living, and people want other people dead and are willing to pay handsomly for it to happen.
Anvildude wrote:See, I'd have sided with the Imperials too.
And then I talked to a Thalmor Justiciar.
Seriously, that one conversation completely changed my whole allegiance- from "I've served the Empire faithfully all my life" to "Screw you and the Empire that coddles you".
That must have been one hell of a conversation. Where's this guy?
It was just a basic Thalmor Justiciar, the one that patrols with his prisoners between Whiterun and Riverwood. I basically walked up to him, all "Hey there, fellow Imperial supporting dude, where you taking the prisoners?"
He says they're criminals for worshiping Talos and accuses me of the same (sorta) basically asking "You don't worship Talos, do you?" in as insulting and threatening a manner as possible. I, having done nothing to warrant this treatment, and feeling a little insulted, said "I worship who I want, thank you very much". He calls me a heretic and orders his guards to attack. Now, when the options are "Yes, I worship Talos!", "I worship who I want" and "I worship only the Eight" I figured the second option was insulting, but not heretical. This guy apparently just didn't like the look of my ears, though, and decided to take it in a bad light.
Anvildude wrote:See, I'd have sided with the Imperials too.
And then I talked to a Thalmor Justiciar.
Seriously, that one conversation completely changed my whole allegiance- from "I've served the Empire faithfully all my life" to "Screw you and the Empire that coddles you".
That must have been one hell of a conversation. Where's this guy?
It was just a basic Thalmor Justiciar, the one that patrols with his prisoners between Whiterun and Riverwood. I basically walked up to him, all "Hey there, fellow Imperial supporting dude, where you taking the prisoners?"
He says they're criminals for worshiping Talos and accuses me of the same (sorta) basically asking "You don't worship Talos, do you?" in as insulting and threatening a manner as possible. I, having done nothing to warrant this treatment, and feeling a little insulted, said "I worship who I want, thank you very much". He calls me a heretic and orders his guards to attack. Now, when the options are "Yes, I worship Talos!", "I worship who I want" and "I worship only the Eight" I figured the second option was insulting, but not heretical. This guy apparently just didn't like the look of my ears, though, and decided to take it in a bad light.
Ya, I had that same conversation and killed that guy. Don't see why that would change your opinion in the Empire. Should change your opinion on the Thalmor.
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Grey Templar wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:The Dark Brotherhood is....evil though right?
Nah, not really. They are a business first and formost. Their god has basically gone into business, he wants slaughtered souls, his servents need to make a living, and people want other people dead and are willing to pay handsomly for it to happen.
Ya, that's pretty evil. Generally killing for money is considered evil.
Join Stormcloaks, take Skyrim, kill emperor, get attacked bu Stormcloaks.
And another quote from Cicero, in Markarth, when a Breton walked by:
'A Dwarf! Cicero saw a Dwarf! No, no really! Oh.. wait... Foolish Cicero..'
Anyways, he isnt a douchebag.
Astrid is.
Karon wrote:
Basically sealed my thoughts that the Imperial resolution to the Civil War will be canon - it just makes more sense.
It's either that, or they go with the Dovahkiin, who steps in at the most opportune time, and gets both sides to see the error of their ways, and gets a truce and lasting peace signed.
Or either way it goes, the Dovakhiin, either as a vassal of the Empire or High Thane of Skyrim, gainst the allegiance of both the Nords of Skyrim and the rest of the provinces of Tamriel, though force of arms, prophecy and sheer charisma.
Or either way it goes, the Dovakhiin, either as a vassal of the Empire or High Thane of Skyrim, gainst the allegiance of both the Nords of Skyrim and the rest of the provinces of Tamriel, though force of arms, prophecy and sheer charisma.
Just found my new favourite thing, killing Stormcloak prisoners being escorted around by Imperials. I just hack the stormcloak down in one swing, and it doesn't trigger a reaction from the guards. They just walk up to the corpse and stand there. I'm free to just wander off.
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Ya, that's pretty evil. Generally killing for money is considered evil.
In the words of the great Gross Point Blank;
"No, I psychopath kills for no reason. I kill for money."
I really, really want to be able to become a Lich. Not a Dragon Priest, just a Lich.
I always pester Bethesda to include this in their next ES title, but they always ignore it. M'aiq the Liar even made fun of those who were asking for it in Oblivion.
The mods that have attempted to do so have been pretty bad, but with the CE in Skyrim I'm hoping that someone tries it.
The next ES title could very likely go into Summerset Isle, the home of the Thalmor, so I could see them expanding the magic side of things a lot in that new environment.
Karon wrote:I really, really want to be able to become a Lich. Not a Dragon Priest, just a Lich.
I always pester Bethesda to include this in their next ES title, but they always ignore it. M'aiq the Liar even made fun of those who were asking for it in Oblivion.
The mods that have attempted to do so have been pretty bad, but with the CE in Skyrim I'm hoping that someone tries it.
The next ES title could very likely go into Summerset Isle, the home of the Thalmor, so I could see them expanding the magic side of things a lot in that new environment.
I'm betting the next game will be Hammerfell, either with the next big war starting up or winding down, or at the least resistance against the thalmor.
I'm thinking Black Marsh or Elsewyr. There's quite a bit going on in the land of the Argonians, and the Plains where the Khajiit live would be ripe for some A-1 storytelling.
For the first time ever, I agree with Karon on something. They need to make some fething quality Necromancer doom and make it playable! Skyrim was a good step in the right direction, but I must admit, the summoning was a bit lacking. So I can either raise something I have to kill first, or attronachs? Well....thats a bit of a small list. I liked being able to summon litches in Oblivion. They need to make some type of secret quest line that lets you delve into this dark art, as far as you can take it
I don't what the point of all that was except when I was looking around I found out the Argonians invaded Morrowwind which is pretty crazy. I think the Dark Elves mostly live in that little island at the top of the map North of Morrowind now.
God wrote:However, this was not to be. Orsinium was once again sacked by the combined forces of Hammerfell and High Rock in the early Fourth Era, and many Orc refugees fled east into Skyrim.
The Wrothgarian mountains are where the Orcs first came from. They had a small state there at one time, but the events of Daggerfall ended up erasing it, I believe.
The funny part about that video is a buddy of mine was screwing around yesterday. Shot an arrow into the air straight up and went to get a soda. When he got back there was an arrow in his shoulder pointing straight up
One thing that I don't like is the dungeons are actually too big. When I see one I dread going into it because I know I'll be in there for days. Most people probably like that but I just want.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I don't what the point of all that was except when I was looking around I found out the Argonians invaded Morrowwind which is pretty crazy. I think the Dark Elves mostly live in that little island at the top of the map North of Morrowind now.
Today @ with a lv4 HE Mage I managed to find (stumbledf across is more accurate) and defeat a Dragon Priest. Having never found one before with 2 other characters
Is anyone else slightly bored of Skyrim by now? not to pee on anyone's party, but it has lost most of its draw and my enthusaism. I just don't like it that much anymore.
stompydakka wrote:Is anyone else slightly bored of Skyrim by now? not to pee on anyone's party, but it has lost most of its draw and my enthusaism. I just don't like it that much anymore.
I took a break thinking that when I came back it would be awesome again. Then I never got around to playing it again.
stompydakka wrote:Is anyone else slightly bored of Skyrim by now? not to pee on anyone's party, but it has lost most of its draw and my enthusaism. I just don't like it that much anymore.
Not yet... But it is just a game, you get bored of them after a while. How many hours did you put into it? I've got more than I care to mention.
I play it a bit but I bought Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines and it's just so much better, admittedly the combat kind of sucks but the RPG aspect is awesome.
stompydakka wrote:Is anyone else slightly bored of Skyrim by now? not to pee on anyone's party, but it has lost most of its draw and my enthusaism. I just don't like it that much anymore.
It is a bit too long, especially if you're a completionist. I took my time and did every little side quest and minor thing that came up. But, after a few hundred hours, I was tired of the game. So, I just fast traveled around to finish up the last major quests I had to do (Civil War mostly). By the last quest I did, I was actively bored.
Hopefully, I'll be re-energized when the DLC starts coming out. They just need to do something about the level cap, and a lack of equipment improvements after you hit 100 Smithing/Alchemy/Enchanting. I don't think my character has made any real improvements in ~100 hours of gameplay.
stompydakka wrote:Is anyone else slightly bored of Skyrim by now? not to pee on anyone's party, but it has lost most of its draw and my enthusaism. I just don't like it that much anymore.
Im bored by it a bit. Sadly, it makes Oblivion near unplayable.
And that is exactly what Im longing to do.
Yeah bit bored of it myself.
I echo about the DLC and potential new mods that are being worked on, I hope they really use the world and engine dynamics to the full and push the boat out.
Theres tonnes of exciting and innovative things they could do.
I've gotten back into Skyrim in these past two weeks, because of mods and some extra free time, so I can take the game at a slower pace. Set it to Master, stopped using fast travel, and I just started exploring. It's more fun than I thought it would be. Played for about 7-8 hours and I'm sitting at level 12 with most locations discovered, but not cleared, and without completing a single quest.
was really dissapointed a few days ago.
found some kind of a shack. killed a hag and looted the body. she turned out to have a staff of stormwall, i though OMFG!
so i used it, but its nothing i would call a stormwall. it's just like some electricity going upwards, reaching about 3 foot...
-.- *sigh*
CthuluIsSpy wrote:They need to fix the smithing system in such a way that it would be worth making that some thousand daggers in order to level it up.
Nah. I actually like the fact that you lose money by leveling smithing. Alchemy and enchanting are broken in that you gain a ton of money leveling them up. So, not only do you get awesome equipment and gain levels, but you also become rich.
Smithing is balanced because you lose money. It's effectively just like training, pay gold to be improve your character.
CthuluIsSpy wrote:They need to fix the smithing system in such a way that it would be worth making that some thousand daggers in order to level it up.
Nah. I actually like the fact that you lose money by leveling smithing. Alchemy and enchanting are broken in that you gain a ton of money leveling them up. So, not only do you get awesome equipment and gain levels, but you also become rich.
Smithing is balanced because you lose money. It's effectively just like training, pay gold to be improve your character.
Could you elaborate here please?
I've not really got into the whole Alchemy/Enchanting thing, although I have done a few bits and pieces, I just go around to kill stuff really.
Let's say an Iron Dagger costs 20 Gold to make, and can be sold for 10 Gold (just pulling the numbers out my rear, here).
So, you lose 10 Gold every time you make an iron dagger (unless you harvest the materials yourself, but that's something completely different).
However, it costs, say, 30 Gold for an average filled Soul Gem. You take that Soul Gem, and that Dagger, and you can make an enchanted dagger that sells for 230 Gold. You profit.
Anvildude wrote:Let's say an Iron Dagger costs 20 Gold to make, and can be sold for 10 Gold (just pulling the numbers out my rear, here).
So, you lose 10 Gold every time you make an iron dagger (unless you harvest the materials yourself, but that's something completely different).
However, it costs, say, 30 Gold for an average filled Soul Gem. You take that Soul Gem, and that Dagger, and you can make an enchanted dagger that sells for 230 Gold. You profit.
Much obliged, it was actually staring me in the face all along, and I think subconsciously I already knew that
Grey Templar wrote:It kinda makes sense. Especially if you are buying the materials to make the dagger.
on a side note, the blacksmith in whiterun is having a sale on iron daggers. something about a surplus
The only things that I have actually bought are Potions and one of the Dragons Claws, oh and Breezehome, Everything else I rob off of corpses, steal off of nasty people or make. Alchemy isn't my bag though.
I do a lot of selling though. I haven't made stuff to sell though, but this will be a new avenue for me though
Anvildude wrote:Let's say an Iron Dagger costs 20 Gold to make, and can be sold for 10 Gold (just pulling the numbers out my rear, here).
So, you lose 10 Gold every time you make an iron dagger (unless you harvest the materials yourself, but that's something completely different).
However, it costs, say, 30 Gold for an average filled Soul Gem. You take that Soul Gem, and that Dagger, and you can make an enchanted dagger that sells for 230 Gold. You profit.
Unless you craft them from scratch. In that case, you gain money. This is what I do.
Sure, you can harvest the material from scratch but that takes way too much time
Besides, I need SOMETHING to spend all this gold on.
Ancalagon the Black mod = awsome
Finally something that actually scares the out of my character. a real challange for any character, yes even ones that have abused the leveling system.
I decided to bear down and play this yesterday - and I ended up going all last night and all of today.
I realized what turned me off in the first place was the main quest/civil war that I had just begun digging into. Lo and behold when I started playing again I didn't go near either quest line, and have been completely sucked back into the game.
Two mods i am using that i have gotten a blast out of is the "Rabbit Rage" (the rabbits do everything in their power to kill and yell at me) and "Posh Mudcrabs" (top hats and monocles? hell yes!)
And the Imperials don't get evicted from Skyrim when you finish the Civil War quest. They are still hanging around in their camps like nothings different.
JohnnoM wrote:Well there is that quest in the main quest chain where you are in the thalmor embassy...
Its funny if you put on Thalmor robes/armour for that they never think to check, they just say "are you new here?" and stare at you for a bit then walk off.
Just a stab in the dark, but the name might hint at it involving Azura since she is the Goddess of Dusk and Dawn. Probably just wishful thinking but it would make sense. I mean, we know Sheogorath stole the Dark Seducers from Azura. If they were her Dusk soldiers then perhaps these Dawnguard are her Dawn soldiers.
Just a stab in the dark, but the name might hint at it involving Azura since she is the Goddess of Dusk and Dawn. Probably just wishful thinking but it would make sense. I mean, we know Sheogorath stole the Dark Seducers from Azura. If they were her Dusk soldiers then perhaps these Dawnguard are her Dawn soldiers.
Who wouldn't like a demonic army of Valkyries?
Isn't there a cult called the Mythic Dawn?
Spoiler:
They already have a subquest addressing the last member of the mythic dawn. Mehrunes has you kill him, thus you end the mythic dawn completely.
Come on. This is Skyrim , why shouldn't there be loads of Valkyrie running around? They kept the Golden Saints in Morrowind and Oblivion so it would be keeping with a general trend. Its just a hopeful thought. I mean if you have Wonder Woman voice acting a goddes then it would be pretty good; she did Astrid very well.
Oh, he was the last member of the Mythic Dawn? I fought there were more.
Yeah, I just realized that there were no Valkyries in Skyrim. Well, unless you count that chick you summon from time to time as a valkyrie.
I completed the main questline, but then my memory corrupted so I had to start again...
Still, it gives me a chance to try something new and join the Stormcloaks insted of the Imperials. I will be a true son of Skyrim! Even though I'm an Elf...
To all you PC players out there, my router cant support steam wich means i can't play skyrim :(, but if i download/ update skyrim at my friends house (i can use steam there) can i then bring my laptop to my house and play skyrim at my house? Or does it ALWAYS need to be connected to steam? I WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME SOOO BAD!!!!! Please help.
Well going on the Oblivion mods I saw while looking for Sims 3 mods, (odd that a site existed just for those two games alone) then aye, I think I can guess.
Regarding Skyrim, my mate here at work said there has been some kind of update effecting skill progression?
From what I hear off my friend the DLC is going to include kinetic shouts for 360 users. Beyond that he doesn't know, he suspects it won't be free patch content since everybody gets that not just console users; although they might include it but make you pay for it. Apparently they spent a day at Bethesda making whatever they wanted and came out with all this cool stuff. A video by the company says they may release some of it as DLC; this is where the new kill moves came from. Unfortunately that probably means the awaited TRUE DLC expansion won't be coming soon. Hope I'am wrong mind you.
And ever since Morrowind, the first mod for any Bethesda game (TES or Fallout that is) is a female body replacement mod followed by countless stripperific armor mods.
Amaya wrote:And ever since Morrowind, the first mod for any Bethesda game (TES or Fallout that is) is a female body replacement mod followed by countless stripperific armor mods.
I used to play skyrim until I took a arrow to the--*GAAHHHH*
*sounds of stabbing and slashing*
*A Tzeentchian marine pushes aside a angry looking khrone berzerker*
Now then all I have to say is, OLD MEME IS OLD!
I like that we have a skyrim thread here but good god arrow to the knee jokes someone please explain the joke to me.
Also xbox kinect dragon shouts? Microsoft give me a break we all know you want more money to encrust your gold bars with diamonds and to have a pure gold yacht but kentic dose not work! Please dont ruin Skyrim with this junk. Skyrim is getting old anyway it just seems like dragons and shouting a guy apart. Mabye im just a fallout sort of guy, wait I am.....
HEUHEUHEUHEUHEUHEU Skyrim players get ready for fallout 4!!!!
Nurgle wrote:I used to play skyrim until I took a arrow to the--*GAAHHHH*
*sounds of stabbing and slashing*
*A Tzeentchian marine pushes aside a angry looking khrone berzerker*
Now then all I have to say is, OLD MEME IS OLD!
I like that we have a skyrim thread here but good god arrow to the knee jokes someone please explain the joke to me.
Also xbox kinect dragon shouts? Microsoft give me a break we all know you want more money to encrust your gold bars with diamonds and to have a pure gold yacht but kentic dose not work! Please dont ruin Skyrim with this junk. Skyrim is getting old anyway it just seems like dragons and shouting a guy apart. Mabye im just a fallout sort of guy, wait I am.....
HEUHEUHEUHEUHEUHEU Skyrim players get ready for fallout 4!!!!
Anvildude wrote:Sad but true. Some even come out before the Construction Kit!
Yeppers. Kinda sad.
Spoiler:
Cannibalism quests...wtf...group cannibalism? Seriously? I cleared the cave out hoping it would be some Vampire thing, but no, they want you to kill and eat somebody.
Everyone sitting around smiling and talking about how much they love human flesh. Creepiest thing in a Bethesda game I've seen so far.
Anvildude wrote:Sad but true. Some even come out before the Construction Kit!
Yeppers. Kinda sad.
Spoiler:
Cannibalism quests...wtf...group cannibalism? Seriously? I cleared the cave out hoping it would be some Vampire thing, but no, they want you to kill and eat somebody.
Everyone sitting around smiling and talking about how much they love human flesh. Creepiest thing in a Bethesda game I've seen so far.
Good thing I brought the priest to the cave and then purged every single one of them. I left their corpses piled on the alter as a nice little "offering" to the deadra. I even got some money out of the priest for "saving" him at the last minute.
thenoobbomb wrote:I killed the priest for the awsome ring.
And associated achievement...
You can get the achievement without killing the priest. You can get both Daedric items from the quest Ill Met By Moonlight, providing you do not have the latest patch, making up for the one you miss by betraying Namira.
It's a single-player game, so the concept of "cheating" isn't as bad. And, I have no problem if you're just doing it to get achievements, or for your cool item collection. Actually using both artifacts is a little sketchy.
Anvildude wrote:Sad but true. Some even come out before the Construction Kit!
Yeppers. Kinda sad.
Spoiler:
Cannibalism quests...wtf...group cannibalism? Seriously? I cleared the cave out hoping it would be some Vampire thing, but no, they want you to kill and eat somebody.
Everyone sitting around smiling and talking about how much they love human flesh. Creepiest thing in a Bethesda game I've seen so far.
Good thing I brought the priest to the cave and then purged every single one of them. I left their corpses piled on the alter as a nice little "offering" to the deadra. I even got some money out of the priest for "saving" him at the last minute.
Spoiler:
I killed all the cannibals and piled them up in a fire. Then I killed the priest because he was obviously traumatized by the event and walking into walls.
I killed the preist and ate him...he tasted like beef with a hint of cat...ok just kidding he tasted like chicken.
As for the Ill met by moonlight glitch it still works as of 2 days ago as I got both. I don't really see why people would care if you cheat in a single player game. The only person who could judge you would be you. It's not like it's getting into a glitch spot on MW3 or something like that that can ruin a game for several people.
Well I was putting off buying Skyrim because I knew I would get addicted to it...
My friend appeared at my house the other day with a selection of items (including a pirate hat, bizzarely ) One of them being his copy of Skyrim. It apparently keeps calling for him to play it and he has exams coming so he needed to off-load it somewhere...
So he lent it to me
So far I've only played a couple of hours. I've just done the early quests into Bleak Falls Barrow and have just returned to Riverwood to sell my loot.
I'm loving it so far. Playing as a Nord CC guy, with a little bit of archery thrown in for good measure for now, but some of the characters described in this thread are making me want to start again and do something different....
EDIT: Also, my character's name is Bronn... An internet cookie to whoever knows who he's named after
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out of my character. a real challange for any character, yes even ones that have abused the leveling system.
'Takes too bloody long to reload'. 