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Post by: Zweischneid
Dystopian Legions is now up for preorder. Official release is November 7th, yet pre-orders are said (rumoured?) to be shipping starting October 31st.
The Preorder page is here http://shop.spartangames.co.uk/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1885
Spartan Games also released PDF's giving details on all four factions at the start.
Many thanks to The Shell Case for the pdfs!
Prussian Empire
Prussian Empire Nation Intro
Empire of the Blazing Sun
Empire of the Blazing Sun Nation Intro
Federated States of America
Federated States of America Nation Intro
Kingdom of Britannia
Kingdom of Britannia Nation Intro
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Updated for Pre-Orders
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Post by: kenshin620
Oh my!
Sounds really cool, though it says the games range from a few models to full companies of men. I can imagine that it is going to be very expensive
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Post by: bbb
Very interesting. I remember hearing that they wanted to expand into various scales, so it will be interesting to see what they can offer since they're so prolific with their current ranges.
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Post by: Charax
is that a 28mm Metzger? I JUST ordered one of the regular ones to use as a dreadnought!
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Post by: BrookM
Oh no, just when I thought I was out..
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Post by: alphaecho
Same here BrookM. just when I thought my Praetorian fetish was under control, along comes people like Col Gravis, Victoria Lamb and now this!! The KIngdom of Britannia section shows a pilot. Guess he'll become my Fleet Officer!
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Charax wrote:is that a 28mm Metzger? I JUST ordered one of the regular ones to use as a dreadnought!
Lol, that bot would reach up to about the Metzger's ankle.
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Post by: BrookM
Oh my fething God Emperor, that pilot is perfect as an Imperial Navy officer.
The vehicles are all feth-ugly though.
Also:
Think I found me a new army commander and Grenadiers for a future Praetorian army.
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Post by: kenshin620
BrookM wrote:
Think I found me a new army commander and Grenadiers for a future Praetorian army.
But those guys arent really Praetorians
They're Teutons!
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Post by: BrookM
kenshin620 wrote:BrookM wrote:
Think I found me a new army commander and Grenadiers for a future Praetorian army.
But those guys arent really Praetorians
They're Teutons!
Whatever, they have ersatz pith helmets and wear heavy cuiras armour, that's good enough for me. I can always snip the spikes off, though it does make them stand out more as proper "Queen's Grenadiers"
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Post by: alphaecho
The Line Infantry from the Britannia page, if modelled as per the art looks to have armour. The Prussian officer figure if given a plume and with those boots would make a decent Life Guard (albeit on foot).
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Post by: BrookM
I don't like the regular redcoats, too much stupid armour everywhere. I'd rather use those Prussians with their tesla rifles, less silly armour, a rifle that's easy to convert and bitching porn-staches.
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Post by: alphaecho
The British Empire was built on "Tickets please" mutton chops and tea that was strained through that facial hair. I know that my Praetorians are going to start looking a mixed bunch from October onwards. Now how to go about 40K'ing that plane in the photo with the Fleet Officer (sorry, Captain Gilbert 'Bertie' Smethington II). I've just noticed the letters on the tail "FLSH". It's not Flasheart is it?
Than again, the Prussians have awesome rifles. Shot with a bullet or stabbed by lightning. What would you prefer?
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Post by: BrookM
It probably is an tongue in cheek reference to that bastard. 
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Post by: Vain
In my mind he is Captain Flasheart.
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Post by: BrookM
He certainly has the classic Flasheart pose and grin, not to mention a strategically placed coat flap.
Let's doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo it.
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Post by: Scottywan82
YES!!!!! Awesome and cannot wait to see more of this. Wicked cool.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Nice. Very nice. The imagery is unique and striking, they already have solid aesthetics to build on, and a definite expertise in making vehicles and machinery. Let's hope for more. :-D
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Post by: Brother SRM
The art rules and the models on display look pretty cool too - I'm definitely interested!
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Post by: BrookM
Makes me wonder if this game will also be using an exploding dice system.
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Post by: Empchild
Concept wise I love it but I will have to see more minis before deciding if I would play it.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
W... wow.
The scenery really doesn't feel very contemporary, but I may just end up selling most of my fake steampunk (PP) armies for some real steampunk armies.
If they execute this right, it could be a juggernaut. Even if the rules aren't my cup of tea, I'll likely get some as IG vets or something (all of my non-platoon guard are done more individualistically).
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Post by: don_mondo
BrookM wrote:It probably is an tongue in cheek reference to that bastard.
There's another possibility, Flashman from the books, a Victorian era british officer. Great series of quite humorous books.
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Post by: RogueRegault
After Dystopian Wars, I'm probably going to wait 6 months after this comes out so I can get the 2nd edition rulebook.
At the very least it looks like a nice source of minis for Great Rail Wars.
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Post by: Alpharius
BrookM wrote:Makes me wonder if this game will also be using an exploding dice system.
Exactly!
It is all going to come down to the rules, and I'm not sure that Spartan has history on their side there...
Exploding 6's?
Ugh.
RogueRegault wrote:After Dystopian Wars, I'm probably going to wait 6 months after this comes out so I can get the 2nd edition rulebook.
Some of that discouraging history, right there...
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Post by: devilution
Wow I really like the models !
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Post by: Alpharius
Same here - they look great!
The play's the thing though - and that remains to be seen.
However, right now I am quite excited for this!
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Post by: Kroothawk
BrookM wrote:kenshin620 wrote:BrookM wrote:
Think I found me a new army commander and Grenadiers for a future Praetorian army.
But those guys arent really Praetorians
They're Teutons!
Whatever, they have ersatz pith helmets and wear heavy cuiras armour, that's good enough for me. I can always snip the spikes off, though it does make them stand out more as proper "Queen's Grenadiers"
http://www.spartangames.co.uk/games/dystopian-legions/kingdom-of-britannia
Oh, and from Japan:
USA:
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Post by: frozenwastes
I've decided that the play is not the thing. I'll get models if I like them for use with some rules set or another. I'm totally tired of bundled miniatures+rules packages and am noticing I spend so much more of my hobby time painting than playing, so I'm definitely going to put rules on the backburner when it comes to purchasing decisions.
So far, I like what I see except the inconsistent bases. Some look like they are on the same style as Warmachine and others have this wierd rounded edge that curves back under:
That's just a strange decision to have two different base types in the early product shots.
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Post by: BrookM
Look like the same to me, just with different filler.
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Post by: Byte
Pretty cool stuff!
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Post by: Zwan1One
My mate works for them and showed me some of the final product and 3D prints a few months back. All the figures are 3D printed. Amazing detail at this scale even after moulding and casting. I think these will be very successful.
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Post by: Piston Honda
Kroothawk wrote:
USA:
Spartan Games broke the female design rule.
She should have been sculpted with a brass bikini. 
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Post by: BrookM
She's looking sassy though, give her a cap and I think we have ourselves a dynamic gun-slinging drop commissar.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
What material are they using?
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Post by: AegisGrimm
I like them. Rules aren't necessary if the model are cool enough. Especially in the age of the internet, where choices abound.
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Post by: BrookM
BobtheInquisitor wrote:What material are they using?
Chances are resin and pewter, as with their other minis.
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Post by: Charax
the antarctican general looks pretty cool, as do some of the jetpackers
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Post by: BrookM
Those open-topped APC's look nice, first decent looking vehicle in the bunch imho.
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Post by: kenshin620
BobtheInquisitor wrote:What material are they using?
The description says resin
Though I think that was mainly for their vehicles
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
So, we're looking at about $10 a figure, then?
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Post by: malfred
I am intrigued.
However, I am disappointed if this means a lessening of their
larger scale line. Dystopian Wars is a sweet concept.
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Post by: yakface
malfred wrote:I am intrigued.
However, I am disappointed if this means a lessening of their
larger scale line. Dystopian Wars is a sweet concept.
You mean smaller scale lines?
And is there any confirmation that this does mean they're reducing production on other lines? Because they could just be continually growing and now have the ability to do both?
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Post by: malfred
Oh, I'd be happy if they do both.
And yes, I meant smaller scale. I get confused by subjective terms.
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Post by: CT GAMER
yakface wrote:malfred wrote:I am intrigued.
However, I am disappointed if this means a lessening of their
larger scale line. Dystopian Wars is a sweet concept.
You mean smaller scale lines?
And is there any confirmation that this does mean they're reducing production on other lines? Because they could just be continually growing and now have the ability to do both?
Hopefully they now have the ability to write a rulebook that doesnt need to be replaced as quickly as was the case for Dystopian wars...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I'm really impressed with these models so far. Can't wait to see the full range.
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Post by: Taarnak
Ahem: I want! I want! I want! I want! I want!
Lol.
Seriously though, I really like what I see so far. I don't think I care about the rules. I'll most likely use some modified set of Goalsystem/Supersystem anyway. Or find some other system to use if I don't like the official ones.
Looking forward to seeing more.
~Eric
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Post by: yakface
My first view of the models gave me the impression that the posing on them seemed to be on the stiff side, which I thought maybe stemmed from the fact that up until this point the vast majority of Spartain's minis were just vehicles that required no thought whatsoever about posing concerns.
However, the more models I'm seeing, the less of a concern that appears to be.
I wonder about the prices though. Spartan's main selling point (from my perspective) has always been that you didn't need to buy too many models to play the game, so their prices, which aren't super high but also aren't super low, were not an issue at all.
But in a 28mm infantry game if you're ending up wanting play with more than say, 40 models, all of a sudden the prices are going to be a real factor.
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Post by: Piston Honda
yakface wrote:malfred wrote:I am intrigued.
However, I am disappointed if this means a lessening of their
larger scale line. Dystopian Wars is a sweet concept.
You mean smaller scale lines?
And is there any confirmation that this does mean they're reducing production on other lines? Because they could just be continually growing and now have the ability to do both?
Well, if it is like there other games, as soon as Spartan Games releases a new game system, previous games take a hit. Uncharted Seas took a huge one. They have only had a handful of releases in the past 2 years if you don't count their relaunch.
Firestorm got ignored quite a bit until recently. But in comparison to releases Dystopian wars had something new just about every month or every other month. While Firestorm may have had a preview every 4-6 months.
Spartan Games has become more popular (mostly because of DW) but they are still small and would expect DW to take a hit on release scheduled. Unless they got some new investors/employees.
I think their constant release of new games is their way of keeping money coming in rather than doing what GW does. Automatically Appended Next Post: BobtheInquisitor wrote:What material are they using?
I assume it will be metal like their very first range of 28mm minis they did many moons ago but sold them off as they were not happy.
Unless they got so rich off of DW they can afford the up front costs of of plastics. Or they can just go to indiegogo/kickstarter
Spartan Games did some minis for their 28mm line for Uncharted Isles about 3 years back (or was it 2?) sold it to some friend who had a company who sold them to black hat miniatures but were not too happy and were to bogged down with FSA and US
http://www.blackhat.co.uk/online_shop/index.php?cPath=121_123&osCsid=0436ba47126ee376b6fa469769deda08
the Buc Orcs and Dwarves were part of their line.
Not to sure about the rest.
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Post by: spaceelf
Looks like a great new game.
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Post by: Leigen_Zero
No Spartan Games NO!
You have enough of my money as it is!
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Post by: Mick A
I don't know how good or bad the rules are going to be but I do know my GASLIGHT rules will be getting dusted off... 
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Post by: Alpharius
Yak - good point!
It isn't JUST about whether or not the rules are good, it will depend on the prices/model counts too!
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Post by: malfred
The sad part is, Spartan Games would probably make more
money off of me at GW/PP prices for quality sculpts rather than
for bargain bin prices for average ones.
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Post by: frozenwastes
Mick A wrote:I don't know how good or bad the rules are going to be but I do know my GASLIGHT rules will be getting dusted off...
This. Totally this.
G.A.S.L.I.G.H.T. has been around since before the Victorian Sci-fi and steam punk aesthetic took off. Definitely a set of rules by and for those who are into the sci-fi written around the end of the 19th century.
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Post by: alphaecho
http://www.spartangames.co.uk/galleries/dystopian-legions-gallery
Lovely new previews. Photos seem to be getting updated twice a day. Love the better look at Lord Flash and his mates.
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Post by: spiralingcadaver
alphaecho wrote:http://www.spartangames.co.uk/galleries/dystopian-legions-gallery
Lovely new previews. Photos seem to be getting updated twice a day. Love the better look at Lord Flash and his mates.
Wow, assuming a reasonable price and translation from digital, these are looking more and more like a must-have. Really digging the look.
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Post by: warpcrafter
If the rules for this game are anything at all playable at a level equivalent to a 1,500 point 40K game, I am sold. And I like the tank designs, and love the 28MM Metzger.
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Post by: Divine_Tyranny
warpcrafter wrote:and love the 28MM Metzger.
This isnt a metzger, they would be waaaay to big for 28mm, its the faust, and it was awesome to paint :p
More info on them here; http://www.spartangames.co.uk/shock-assault
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Post by: kenshin620
Some pics someone snapped from gencon
With some of the vehicles so large, I wonder how many infantry you're suppose to field
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Post by: kestral
Looks good to me. I like the small clanky box tank. The USA concept art is cool too, for a change.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
I think Krieg players just found a cheap (presumably) source of tanks!
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Post by: Charax
Screw the Krieg, my Steampunk death guard got some new vehicles to cannibalise for parts
A friend sent me over some pics of in the pipeline stuff for this - there's a Queen Victoria-esque figure, some very nice jetpackers (Looks like several factions get them) and the generals are really nicely detailed.
That Faust/Not-Metzger's on my to-buy list
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Post by: BrookM
Def. getting those Prussians with tesla-bayonets as Praetorians for Only War.
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Post by: alphaecho
 BrookM wrote:Def. getting those Prussians with tesla-bayonets as Praetorians for Only War.
...and laugh as your enemies die pooing sparks!
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Hnnnng, that robot.. 
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Post by: Alpharius
The more I see...
...the more I want!
I hope the pricing on these is going to be OK/decent.
That is, not-GW-like!
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Post by: ShumaGorath
The largescale vehicles look tremendous. Hopefully the rules aren't spartans typically vapid and random affair. This is a big departure for them.
I pray they don't use exploding sixes.
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Post by: Elemental
Wow, all of the tanks seem to have scaled up pretty nicely.
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Post by: Alpharius
You and me both!
You know what they say though - live in hope, die in vain!
Still, here's to hoping!
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Post by: Vitruvian XVII
Looks like my praertorian/ steampunk AdMech force will become a reality soon!
I dislike a lot of the figures but they are great praetorian fodder.
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Post by: PrimarchX
I'm pretty tired of steam punk stuff, personally. In my mind it worked for Space:1889 and that's about it.
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Post by: Sigmundr
Screw all the other armies talked about, my Orks just found more conversion opportunities, specially them small ones for grot tanks!
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Post by: plastictrees
Tanks look nice.
Really hate the concept art for the British though, really lazy design.
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Post by: Cruentus
That's the first thing that I thought. I've been scratching my head for alternatives to the Centaurs at FW prices. If these are decently priced (and easily convert-able), I'm getting a bunch for my Krieg army.
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Post by: treeseeker
Tabletop fix have more pretty pics inclulding pictures of the starter box contents.
http://ttfix.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/exclusive-spartan-games-dystopian.html
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Post by: brainscan
I saw this being demo'd at Colours 2012 last weekend. The sculpts are amazing and very detailed. The 28mm upsizing works really well. Shame i didnt take my camera with me to get some photos.
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Post by: Vain
Awww heck these are nice!
I cant wait for some Drone armies for the Penguins.
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Post by: Zweischneid
Updated OP with Pre-order Information
Original Post of this Discussion
Spartan Games' page for pre-orders is here: Spartan Games Preorders
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Post by: Alpharius
 brainscan wrote:I saw this being demo'd at Colours 2012 last weekend. The sculpts are amazing and very detailed. The 28mm upsizing works really well. Shame i didnt take my camera with me to get some photos.
How did the game 'look and feel'?
Did the rules seem... 'deep' enough?
Just curious!
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Post by: Zweischneid
 PrimarchX wrote:I'm pretty tired of steam punk stuff, personally. In my mind it worked for Space:1889 and that's about it.
Fair enough. But it seems fairly popular for most others.
Warmachine became GW's greatest contender with a heavily steam-punk flavoured fantasy setting (or heavily fantasy-flavoured steampunk setting?).
Forgeworld went almost full-steampunk with some of their Heresy-Era Marine MK variants. Even GW stuffed a steampowered chaplain into their DV box and added a heavy helping of wyrd science to their latest Necron incarnation. From Horror-Victorian-Steampunkt of Malifaux or "Diesel-Punk" Dust, all the way to smaller entries like Catalyst Games' Steampunk Skyship Leviathans, the genre seems to be quite alive, popular and kicking.
So I suspect it'll be around for some time.
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Post by: alphaecho
Aplogies for resurrecting an old thread but with the release date for this game approaching more images are being placed on the Legions website:
http://www.spartangames.co.uk/galleries/dystopian-legions-gallery
Flying Samurai biker anyone?
Int briefings for American and Prussian forces.
http://www.spartangames.co.uk/games/dystopian-legions/federated-states-of-america/fsa-intelligence
http://www.spartangames.co.uk/games/dystopian-legions/prussian-empire/pe-intelligence
And..with me being staunchly British ...the quintessential old fellow (probably with gout) in a mechanised, armoured bathchair AND A BLUNDERBUSS 
http://www.spartangames.co.uk/big-sam
My Praetorians are getting some re-inforcements.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I must have that bathchair warrior
He looks so much fun Automatically Appended Next Post: 
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Post by: BrookM
Ooh, these I like:
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Post by: Mr. Burning
I think I may have to get into this, and I was doing so well.
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Post by: inqscott
Will pick up the a couple of this when they release most likely I will use for another game but I like the design.
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Post by: Alpharius
IF there's a gaming group in my area that plays this, I'll be in trouble!
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Post by: Chaplain Pallantide
If these translate into miniature form like they are now, I may be in trouble as well...so far I like the Prussians the most, but these Brits are mighty fine looking as well!
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Do want.
It's like they're making the game I always wished 40k was...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Wow... these look amazing.
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Post by: Javin
This looks like it has possibilities.
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Post by: RogueRegault
Gonna have to wait until they've got an American distributor and rule pdfs before I decide whether to get into it. Will probably play the Brits because I prefer long-range shooting and power armor.
So anyone want to give a rundown history of what's different between the FSA and USA? Intelligence brief made it sound like the Civil War had a different ending.
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Post by: roadkizzle
In a nutshell, the industrial revolution occurred 70 years early in the Dystopian time frame. This lead to more developments in agricultural technology and no real need for slaves on big plantations. This allowed for the abolishment of slavery much earlier on in America's past, and with substantially less bloodshed.
There was still an American Civil War though, still about states rights but one of these rights was not to keep their slave property.
Because there were no complicated ethical issues for England, they sided with the Confederacy and helped them defeat the Union. Then it shortly comes into the current times for Dystopian Wars and Dystopian Legions.
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Post by: Dice Monkey
Left one out, who does not want a samurai riding a steam powered hover-bike?
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Post by: BrookM
Oh crap, there goes my willpower. 
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Post by: Guildsman
Those steampunk armored knights with pistols are stunning. I was going to hold off until they launched the Covenant of Antarctica faction, but the knights may be too good to pass up.
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Post by: Alpharius
"Covenant of Antarctica"?
That sounds very interesting - what's that one all about?
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Post by: BrookM
IIRC they are the ones who discover the tech and ensure that all nations gain the technological gains but turn into a nation at war of its own to keep the other nations in check.
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Post by: Guildsman
 BrookM wrote:IIRC they are the ones who discover the tech and ensure that all nations gain the technological gains but turn into a nation at war of its own to keep the other nations in check.
Basically this. A nation of scientists and adventurers using advanced technology to live in Antarctica. Kinda like Rapture from Bioshock, except for the catastrophic collapse part. They gave some of their technology to the other nations to make the world better, but everyone ended up using it to fight each other, so they got in on the fighting too to keep any one nation from getting too powerful. It sounds silly when I explain it like that.
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Post by: BrookM
 Guildsman wrote: BrookM wrote:IIRC they are the ones who discover the tech and ensure that all nations gain the technological gains but turn into a nation at war of its own to keep the other nations in check.
Basically this. A nation of scientists and adventurers using advanced technology to live in Antarctica. Kinda like Rapture from Bioshock, except for the catastrophic collapse part. They gave some of their technology to the other nations to make the world better, but everyone ended up using it to fight each other, so they got in on the fighting too to keep any one nation from getting too powerful. It sounds silly when I explain it like that.
It makes sense to me though.
That and they are colossal donkey-caves, especially when I play against a friend with his fleet. Particle cannons and drone fighters without a fuel capacity, melon-fether.. 
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Post by: roadkizzle
There's also TheWarstore.
http://www.thewarstore.com/dystopianlegions.html
Spartan Games has stated they will be providing the rules for free from their website when the models become available.
Also the rules should be provided in the starter sets.
I know there are many LGS's around the US that currently carry Spartan Games products, and will carry Dystopian Legions. I know my LGS in the DFW area has told me they will be.
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Post by: Trasvi
who does not want a samurai riding a steam powered hover-bike?
The people who want the prussian armoured steampunk knights!
Scratch that, I want both.
But I collect Antarctica and Brittania in DWars. Ahh too cool, making my head hurt.
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
Empire of the Blazing Sun for IG guard models AND some Death Cult Assassins?
Tempting.
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Post by: alphaecho
Quick start game rules and army lists now available for download.
http://www.spartangames.co.uk/resources/downloads
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Post by: BrookM
Looks like exploding dice are back on the menu and colour-coded for our convenience. 
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Post by: RogueRegault
Seems to me the FSA (or at least their main sections) are a bit underpowered right now. They break even with the Prussian and British guns at range 1, gain all the penalties of Long Range at range 2(When the other two are still effective.) and have the same base move and IR as other infantry. In addition, the squad specialist can't use its Mortar ability on any target within effective range of the rest of the squad. Machinegunner costs 120% more than a normal squad member, but only does 77% more damage. Crank cards would have to be very nice to justify the cost.
Note that using weapons at long range is not only a to-hit penalty, but also requires a command point. Also note that Forward Observer doesn't allow the model to pick a target different from its section.
Edit: Okay, so they really need to rephrase the section on buying "upgrades" in the quick rules. The point cost listed is the total cost of the Sergeant/Weapons Specialist and not the cost to upgrade from the base infantryman. I figured this out by looking at the starter contents and working back from 100. The machine gunner only costs 20% more than a normal squaddie.
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Post by: AAN
I bought a Japanese Starter Box, some Prussians and some British.
While the models are fine sculpts they are also TOTALLY out of scale.
A typical soldier is 40mm high! Absolutely useless with any other minis line.
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Post by: htj
 AAN wrote:I bought a Japanese Starter Box, some Prussians and some British.
While the models are fine sculpts they are also TOTALLY out of scale.
A typical soldier is 40mm high! Absolutely useless with any other minis line.
Hmm, that's seriously disappointing.
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Post by: Zweischneid
AAN wrote:I bought a Japanese Starter Box, some Prussians and some British.
While the models are fine sculpts they are also TOTALLY out of scale.
A typical soldier is 40mm high! Absolutely useless with any other minis line.
Really? Do you have a comparison picture? They advertise it fairly explicitly as 28mm game I think.
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Post by: AAN
I will post a comparison pic later... Automatically Appended Next Post: OK, one pic says more than 1000 words:
All minis are standing on a standard GW base, but the painted minis are raised on 1-2 mm milliput, so in direct comparison the Dystopian minis is even bigger.
http://www.adpublishing.de/html/victorian_sf.html
As said nice mini, but the size makes them only usable within Dystopian Legion!
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Post by: alphaecho
On a plus point, when I get my Lord Flashheart , apologies Gilbert Smethington II, he will look EVEN MORE HEROIC while "Doooooing it".
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Post by: AAN
If you are are planning to use the minis ONLY with other Dystopian minis all will be fine, but with every other 28mm (even heroic scale 28mm) mini they will look ridiculous.
I presume that might even be the intention of Spartan!
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Post by: BrookM
Thanks for the warning, that's quite a disappointment, as I was going to use them for other games. :(
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Well that's potentially dissapointing for those looking to mix and match
but then again they are sold as dystopian war minis, so maybe in the dystopian universe folk are 7.5 to 8 feet tall ?
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Post by: Zweischneid
AAN wrote:If you are are planning to use the minis ONLY with other Dystopian minis all will be fine, but with every other 28mm (even heroic scale 28mm) mini they will look ridiculous.
I presume that might even be the intention of Spartan!
Perhaps. But they could've simply announced Dystopian Legions as 30mm or even 35mm game. Quite a few games out there that go slightly larger than GW's 28mm standard these days.
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Post by: AAN
 Zweischneid wrote:Perhaps. But they could've simply announced Dystopian Legions as 30mm or even 35mm game.
If annouced as a 40mm game all would be fine IMO!
But I can't stress this point enough - if you want to use them only for D Legions all is fine, the sculpts are great!
For me a bit disappointing since I always mix minis.
In addition my whole 28mm scenery is now dwarfed by the DL minis! :(
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Post by: General Seric
AAN wrote:If you are are planning to use the minis ONLY with other Dystopian minis all will be fine, but with every other 28mm (even heroic scale 28mm) mini they will look ridiculous.
I presume that might even be the intention of Spartan!
That is very disappointing. I had been planning to pick up some of the Prussians and Americans to paint (I don’t want to start another game) and maybe use eventually, but I don't want "28mm" miniatures that I can never use because they are huge. Seriously, why did they even advertise this as 28mm, when the actual height is around 35mm?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
I agree,
if you're advertising yourself as a 28mm game (and they are on their website) it's foolish to be so far out of scale
I mean that's space marine size or larger, so it should be what, 35-40mm ?
Unless the figure is from a 'Potsdam Giants' style regiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Giants
then they would really be 7-8 feet tall, and we'd all feel silly for complaining
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Post by: HeadClot
Shut up and take my money....
BTW is there is US retailer for this yet?
Cannot seem to find one..
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Post by: BrookM
Miniature Market is a great retailer, not just for Amerikanski, but also for Dutski and other non-US residents. They are having a 25% off sale on their Dystopian Legions range RIGHT NOW: http://www.miniaturemarket.com/table-top-miniatures/spartan-games/dystopian-legions.html
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Post by: HeadClot
Thank you so much!
Placing an order ASAP!
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Post by: Azazelx
AAN wrote:If you are are planning to use the minis ONLY with other Dystopian minis all will be fine, but with every other 28mm (even heroic scale 28mm) mini they will look ridiculous.
I presume that might even be the intention of Spartan!
That wouldn't really make a lot of sense, what with compatability with GW/ IG models meaning a hell of a lot more sales. Then again, making the models 35mm high doesn't make much sense, either....
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Post by: AAN
It is worse, they are 40mm high! 
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Post by: BrookM
Maybe the OP can rectify this by altering the title of the thread.
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Post by: Alpharius
This may be enough to save...er....stop me from buying into this game!
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Post by: BrookM
It certainly kills it for me sadly. I wasn't blown away by the rules and now that the minis are incompatible with other ranges, alas.
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Post by: Conrad Turner
Gutshot. Spent the time looking through this thread from the beginning, found some amazing models that I immediately saw as DFG "Valkyr" replacements, and now find out they'll probably be waaaaay too big.
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Post by: Alpharius
BrookM wrote:It certainly kills it for me sadly. I wasn't blown away by the rules and now that the minis are incompatible with other ranges, alas.
Good point there Brook - the rules had it on the edge, the preview shots of the minis made it a possibility and then the reality of the scale of the miniatures killed it!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Yikes. Too big.
Such a disappointment.
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Post by: BrookM
Well, some of the vehicles might still find a way into the collection somehow. A giant wobot is always welcome, somewhere.
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Post by: monkeytroll
Scale issue is disappointing, guess that'll save my wallet some pain though. May be able to fit a couple into the Judge Dredd minis as they've turned out to be over-sized too, but not quite as bad as these guys.
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Post by: Javin
Beautiful miniatures. However having seen them they are more 30-35MM. I was so hoping to have some stand ins for my praetorian guard.
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Post by: alphaecho
I've ordered the Britannia starter set. I'm interested now as to how they look alongside my Victoria Lamb kilted Praetorians. A slight difference in scale between manufacturers doesn't bother me. I don't view the figures as a literal representation. Imagination can play a part in games. I still want to see the full range of armoured vehicles.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
The size issue is a killer for me, big shame as I'd intended to spluge on this game's minis to build an entire Imperial Guard army, with one or two additions from other ranges.
I may still keep an eye on the vehicles but that's it sadly.
I think they are out of their minds to turn down potential sales by making their minis out of scale like this.
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Post by: DarkTraveler777
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:The size issue is a killer for me, big shame as I'd intended to spluge on this game's minis
Whoa, whoa, whoa. We all like minis here, but that is taking it too far.
The size issue is a disappointment for me too. I was hopeful that the Britannia models would be easy Praetorian stand-ins, but now that isn't going to happen. Like others I will hold out to see if any of the vehicles can be put to use for my Praets, though.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Dammit Spartan, just when I was actually interested in one of your games, it ends up being in an awkward size.
"Standard" are great not only for stand-ins for other games, but for collection unity and terrain compatibility. I didn't dabble in Dropzone Commander (a non-Spartan game) because of the unorthodox size and now this. In addition, many people have 28-32mm terrain lying around and it's odd to expect them to invest in yet another size.
I guess I'll just wait a few months for Spartan to get bored of this game and announce their next project. Eventually their produce-and-abandon cycle may hit gold.
On the bright side, those vehicles look rather nice.
Any indication as to the material or prices of those vehicles? I hope they don't end up being resin and thus elevated to Privateer Press prices.
Splurge =/= Splooge
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Post by: alphaecho
The link below is for the Bassett tankette. £22.00 for two models. They will be resin. As far as I am aware no prices have been announced yet for the main armoured vehicles.
http://shop.spartangames.co.uk/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DLKB33
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Post by: Absolutionis
That's the adorable tiny tank seen here?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WuS7V6mML0s/UC-6gMHtt8I/AAAAAAAARAY/tjHah0fdsRY/s1600/a3.JPG
12.50 USD for a single one of those seems reasonable.
I guess the bigger models won't be too much more.
Really looking forward to these:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E5xFMspRUtE/UC-63Mq9BsI/AAAAAAAARBA/YavrSwIb3Fg/s1600/a8.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pbuzEEeouTk/UC-6kzPoUvI/AAAAAAAARAg/ZcwuFEtXmIE/s1600/a4.JPG
Then again, I guess it's a bit weird considering the unrelatable scale of the infantry models.
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Post by: spartan059
the scale isn't that far off, they are the same size as Malifaux or Warmahordes miniatures. They are a bit bigger than the GW stuff though, but for terrain they seem no issue for me
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Post by: Alpharius
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I think they are out of their minds to turn down potential sales by making their minis out of scale like this.
So do I!
TONS of potential sales lost, right there...
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Once again, Spartan Games delivers a product with one or two awesome features, and one or two fatal flaws. It's like they're managed by Dr. Jekyll.
I'll pass. Using the miniatures in other game systems is a minor hassle, but not even being able to use terrain or accessories makes the entire thing a nonstarter.
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Post by: Zweischneid
It's not that much of a deal.
But I wonder why they didn't opt to just call it a 30mm or 32mm game or something. There've been quite a few of those who emphasize slightly larger, slightly more detailed miniatures as a sales-point actually (Dust, Anastyr, Wrath of Kings, Kingdom Death, etc... ).
It seems unlikely that they didn't expect people to look at the miniatures with an eyes towards using them elsewhere when they placed the "28mm" front and center like that in their advertising. I was similarly looking forward to their more sci-fi "28mm" they have planned for their Firestorm-verse. It will be interesting to see how those will turn out.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I guess we'll call it 'Mongoose Syndrome' ie. find something everyone likes, and release it in a scale that's incompatible with everything else.
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Post by: Azazelx
Zweischneid wrote:It's not that much of a deal.
But I wonder why they didn't opt to just call it a 30mm or 32mm game or something. There've been quite a few of those who emphasize slightly larger, slightly more detailed miniatures as a sales-point actually (Dust, Anastyr, Wrath of Kings, Kingdom Death, etc... ).
It seems unlikely that they didn't expect people to look at the miniatures with an eyes towards using them elsewhere when they placed the "28mm" front and center like that in their advertising. I was similarly looking forward to their more sci-fi "28mm" they have planned for their Firestorm-verse. It will be interesting to see how those will turn out.
It kinda is, for some of us at least. I had an eye to buy a bunch of them to use as cool-looking steampunk/colonial-ish IG first, Dystopian Dudes second. Dust's figures aren't exactly bigger either. They're more truescale than GW, but not a lot bigger to be incompatible. Automatically Appended Next Post:  H.B.M.C. wrote:I guess we'll call it 'Mongoose Syndrome' ie. find something everyone likes, and release it in a scale that's incompatible with everything else.
What did Mongoose release?
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Post by: BrookM
If I recall correctly, didn't they release a new naval game that uses an unconventional scale incompatible with other ranges out there?
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Post by: AAN
Mongoose is planning to relaunch their Victory at Sea game. In addition they want to support it with a dedicated miniatures line.
Most naval gamers prefer 1/6000, 1/3000 or 1/ 2400.
See: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/scales.html
Mongoose choose 1/1800.
See: http://blog.mongoosepublishing.co.uk/?cat=12
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Post by: Agamemnon2
On the plus side, the armored vehicles for DL might be equally big and chunky, which in general goes well with 40k, whereas a true-scale 28mm might well be too dainty.
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Post by: monkeytroll
Mongoose also say that Judge Dredd is 28mm.
Nowhere near as bad as the DL stuff, but if you wanted to run Judges as arbites you might get the Inquisition asking how they grew bigger than marines
Also means that a lot of the old GW stuff (including their Dredd line) that I was planning to use as perps suddenly become juves 
And yes, this does mean that DL vehicles may be just right
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Post by: notprop
Yeah I was buzzed about Gangs of Mega City 1 when it released and got the box game and some sky surfers and was really let down by the scaling of the line. I dodged the Mongoose KS on that basis.
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Post by: monkeytroll
Whereas I went large on the KS as I was blissfully unaware of it
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Post by: malfred
I shall use mine as a race of super-men! Muahahahaa
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Post by: odinfellhammer
They are from a low gravity world ;P
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Post by: alphaecho
When I get my Britannia starter set I'll try to find the time to post a comparison of them against GW's Praetorians and my kilted highlanders (Victoria Lamb parts). The kilted ones are already larger than the GW originals. Whatever the size difference I WILL have Colonel MacDonald and his armoured bathchair in my army! Counts as Rough Rider or Sentinel?
As for the infantry..selective inbreeding to make Stormtroopers!
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Post by: Sabotage!
 monkeytroll wrote:
Nowhere near as bad as the DL stuff, but if you wanted to run Judges as arbites you might get the Inquisition asking how they grew bigger than marines
But for that matter the Inquisition should be asking how Guardsmen got bigger than marines........I wouldn't play marines with my IG unless I true scaled them, and I don't even play Catachans or Cadians.
For the Dystopian stuff, I see nothing wrong with the miniatures being 40mm, so as long as they didn't advertise them as 28mm.
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Post by: Zweischneid
 Sabotage! wrote:
For the Dystopian stuff, I see nothing wrong with the miniatures being 40mm, so as long as they didn't advertise them as 28mm.
That is the point. They made a fairly big deal out of advertising it as a 28mm game. Arguably, in the context of Spartan Games, their intend might simply have been to say " hey look, we're not doing another Dystopian Wars, Firestorm Armada, etc..-fleet game". But they put "28mm" all over their website, the promotional mails, etc., etc..
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Post by: Alpharius
Zweischneid wrote:It's not that much of a deal.
scipio.au wrote: Zweischneid wrote:It's not that much of a deal.
But I wonder why they didn't opt to just call it a 30mm or 32mm game or something. There've been quite a few of those who emphasize slightly larger, slightly more detailed miniatures as a sales-point actually (Dust, Anastyr, Wrath of Kings, Kingdom Death, etc... ).
It seems unlikely that they didn't expect people to look at the miniatures with an eyes towards using them elsewhere when they placed the "28mm" front and center like that in their advertising. I was similarly looking forward to their more sci-fi "28mm" they have planned for their Firestorm-verse. It will be interesting to see how those will turn out.
It kinda is, for some of us at least. I had an eye to buy a bunch of them to use as cool-looking steampunk/colonial-ish IG first, Dystopian Dudes second. Dust's figures aren't exactly bigger either. They're more truescale than GW, but not a lot bigger to be incompatible.
Zweischneid wrote: Sabotage! wrote:
For the Dystopian stuff, I see nothing wrong with the miniatures being 40mm, so as long as they didn't advertise them as 28mm.
That is the point. They made a fairly big deal out of advertising it as a 28mm game. Arguably, in the context of Spartan Games, their intend might simply have been to say " hey look, we're not doing another Dystopian Wars, Firestorm Armada, etc..-fleet game". But they put "28mm" all over their website, the promotional mails, etc., etc..
Exactly - I'm glad we're all in agreement now! 
And you're right - this could have been avoided had they avoided calling it a '28mm' game...
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Post by: roadkizzle
I really don't think the size is a big deal. I was comparing my FSA models to my GW models as well as my Dust Warfare and Warmachine models.
The Dystopian FSA infantry are the same size as Dust Warfare and Warmachine models (Although I only have a squad of heavy infantry and warcasters/characters for Warmachine).
The FSA basic troopers are 35/36 mm tall, with the characters and their big hats bring them up to 40 mm. When put in a squad of my Cadian Arbites I really don't think the FSA look bad. Slightly tall, but the GW models are beefy enough to reduce the feeling of size difference in my opinion.
I also really don't think the terrain sizes will be a big deal. Sure the doors and windows will not be at the exact right size, but for in-game circumstances the difference will be completely irrelevant.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
I just showed that size comparision pic to a friend who wanted to use them for a guard project. He said:
Prussians have always grown big. Where do you think Space Marines come from?
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Post by: Zweischneid
 Anung Un Rama wrote:I just showed that size comparision pic to a friend who wanted to use them for a guard project. He said:
Prussians have always grown big. Where do you think Space Marines come from?
From Nottingham?
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Post by: Conrad Turner
Zweischneid wrote: Anung Un Rama wrote:I just showed that size comparision pic to a friend who wanted to use them for a guard project. He said:
Prussians have always grown big. Where do you think Space Marines come from?
From Nottingham?
Nah! They come from Utah, they only WORK in space!
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Post by: Azazelx
Anung Un Rama wrote:I just showed that size comparision pic to a friend who wanted to use them for a guard project. He said:
Prussians have always grown big. Where do you think Space Marines come from?
But the Britisch are the same size!
...or should that be Briten?
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Post by: alphaecho
I'm looking forward to the Britannian APC (link in Lord Blackfang's post, Page 2). Currently ordering some sets via Trolltrader on ebay after Wayland let me down.
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Post by: Kroothawk
One German trader denied them being 40mm tall, we will see.
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Post by: inqscott
I got some to compare they are just too big too use has proxy guard. Sigh they had such promise
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Post by: BrookM
Now then, how do those giants fit into those tankettes?
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Post by: AAN
Strange, maybe he is measuring different...
Anyway - the comparison pics stands!
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Post by: roadkizzle
According to my measurements... The FSA infantry are 36mm tall. The people with the big hats are 40mm tall.
I haven't seen the Prussians in person, but I'd guess the 40mm height is up to their spike. They still appear to be a little taller than GW models (but I don't think it'd look bad using them in separate squads), rather they look more on the scale of Warmachine models
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Post by: Alpharius
Kroothawk wrote:One German trader denied them being 40mm tall, we will see.
Sounds like a Nitpicking German who measured one at 35mm to 39mm who then declared "Nope, not 40mm!"
inqscott wrote:I got some to compare they are just too big too use has proxy guard. Sigh they had such promise
And GW IG are too big to begin with!
AAN wrote:
Strange, maybe he is measuring different...
Anyway - the comparison pics stands!
Exactly!
roadkizzle wrote:According to my measurements... The FSA infantry are 36mm tall. The people with the big hats are 40mm tall.
I haven't seen the Prussians in person, but I'd guess the 40mm height is up to their spike. They still appear to be a little taller than GW models (but I don't think it'd look bad using them in separate squads), rather they look more on the scale of Warmachine models
And there we have it - again!
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Post by: vic
Hi, anyone who has these and is disappointed by the big scale, let me know if you want to sell them to me.
I could pay or swap for Vic Minis.
Cheers,
V
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Post by: roadkizzle
@Alpharius, note that I am not agreeing with you on the models being 40mm. I am saying they are 35mm scale. I agree they are not 28mm like they were billed, but neither did the german retailer.
Although they are a bigger scale, I don't think they look bad at all set within a 40k army. (I'd keep them in separate squads though) Largely because GW models are so "heroic"
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Post by: AAN
roadkizzle wrote:@Alpharius, note that I am not agreeing with you on the models being 40mm. I am saying they are 35mm scale.
How are you measuring?
Feet to eye? Then they are more around 35mm indeed, I am taking measures over the full height, therefore 40mm.
For me they are too big to integrate in any existing VSF or 40K range.
But it all boils down to personal taste, if you like some units to be bigger - coming from a low gravity world etc etc - use them!
BTW - I rechecked the box they are sold in - NOWHERE does it read 28mm!!
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Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH
I thought the box felt damn heavy when I was checking one over in a store
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Post by: roadkizzle
I was measuring the bottom of the boot to the top of the hat. The FSA infantry only have a small hat therefore they are 36mm. The LT and Doc have taller hats that bring them up to 40mm.
I think the prussians should be measured ignoring their spike. Otherwise they will perpetually look small because the human eye sees that as mostly empty space and the actual body is much shorter.
I personally think it is much more important for the girth of the models to be comparable for them to look good together. Because DL are not "heroic" scale they would look like teenagers standing next to GWs models, which is a much bigger issue imo.
When looking at models on the table perspective already makes it difficult to exactly determine the vertical dimension. The horizontal dimension is far more important.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
@UncleBadTouch- the box feels heavy without any models in it. Its because of the rule booklet, deck of cards, dice, and acrylic ruler it comes with.
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Post by: AAN
Since I raised the whole "scale" issue, some more pics; first a finished Prussian Grenadier:
new comparison pic:
DL, Artizan, GW, GW
with ruler:
and together with a Leman Russ (fits very well IMO - maybe GWs infantry is simply out of scale?)
more: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/victorian_sf.html
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Post by: RiTides
Yeah... he's tall. Would work if you had a whole army of them...
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Post by: Kroothawk
I never doubted you (pics and all), I just wanted to report one semi-official reply.
And they look 33mm to eye level or 36mm total without helmet, still a head taller than Space Marines.
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Post by: Absolutionis
For all intents and purposes, this is actually a 32mm game. Simple as that.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
It's idiotic.
"We don't want the money we could potentially have been swimming in from folks building entire imperial guard armies from our miniatures..."
It's frustrating and disappointing.
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Post by: Alpharius
roadkizzle wrote:@Alpharius, note that I am not agreeing with you on the models being 40mm. I am saying they are 35mm scale. I agree they are not 28mm like they were billed, but neither did the german retailer.
Although they are a bigger scale, I don't think they look bad at all set within a 40k army. (I'd keep them in separate squads though) Largely because GW models are so "heroic"
No worries - sorry if I came across the wrong way!
I appreciate the extra info - there is no knowledge that is not power!
AAN wrote:Since I raised the whole "scale" issue, some more pics; first a finished Prussian Grenadier:
new comparison pic:
DL, Artizan, GW, GW
Those are very nice pictures - thank you very much for posting them!
Having 'regular' humans dwarf Marines is a problem...
RiTides wrote:Yeah... he's tall. Would work if you had a whole army of them...
Yes!
But a whole army of these guys... in an IG army... expensive, I'd imagine!
MeanGreenStompa wrote:It's idiotic.
"We don't want the money we could potentially have been swimming in from folks building entire imperial guard armies from our miniatures..."
It's frustrating and disappointing.
Too true!
They would have sold a ton more of these if the scale wasn't on the 'big' side of GW!
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Post by: Mr. Burning
Stick the figures on a washer or a disc of 25mm plastic, to decrease the height.
I'll pick DL up to play DL and I may also incorporate their range into my IG force too.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
It's idiotic.
"We don't want the money we could potentially have been swimming in from folks building entire imperial guard armies from our miniatures..."
It's frustrating and disappointing.
Not to pick up on just you MGS but I'm sure that Spartan knew their figs were taller than the opposition. Maybe Spartan, wanted to go in their own stylistic direction. Who knows, it isn't the end of the world for this range, that's for sure.
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Post by: RiTides
They may have been thinking the opposite- not wanting people to use IG to stand-in for their models in their own game.
I don't personally think that's a sound decision, as you need momentum before doing that... but as you say Mr. Burning, they Had to know that they were doing this.
They should label it 32mm, though, not 28mm given the size of the figures so far.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Mr. Burning wrote:Stick the figures on a washer or a disc of 25mm plastic, to decrease the height. I'll pick DL up to play DL and I may also incorporate their range into my IG force too. MeanGreenStompa wrote:
It's idiotic.
"We don't want the money we could potentially have been swimming in from folks building entire imperial guard armies from our miniatures..."
It's frustrating and disappointing.
Not to pick up on just you MGS but I'm sure that Spartan knew their figs were taller than the opposition. Maybe Spartan, wanted to go in their own stylistic direction. Who knows, it isn't the end of the world for this range, that's for sure.
Yep, stylistic direction is good, they certainly had that with the aesthetic alone. It's not the end of the world for the range, but it's certainly questionable from a money making perspective, highly questionable. RiTides wrote:They may have been thinking the opposite- not wanting people to use IG to stand-in for their models in their own game.
I don't personally think that's a sound decision, as you need momentum before doing that... but as you say Mr. Burning, they Had to know that they were doing this.
They should label it 32mm, though, not 28mm given the size of the figures so far.
I'd have taken a bet for a very large sum that considerably more people would be using these figures for 40k than would have been using 40k figures for this game. I'll not bother taking on yet another game, I've just started dipping my toe with Warmachine/have my eye on Infinity/Intend to try Malifaux. But I could easily have been swayed to make another army of 40k imperial guard from these and I'll warrant, given the anguished cries of so many guard players, that there were many who would have snapped them up in quantities as GW is determined to not make gothic looking guardsmen for it's gothic looking universe...
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Post by: alphaecho
The special characters have sense of fun about them. Col MacDonald and his steam powered bath chair and from the FSA Major Beauregard and his Clockadile. As for Siegfried the Minion......!
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Post by: Mr. Burning
MeanGreenStompa wrote: as GW is determined to not make gothic looking guardsmen for it's gothic looking universe...
Sigged.
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Post by: Alpharius
 RiTides wrote:They may have been thinking the opposite- not wanting people to use IG to stand-in for their models in their own game.
I don't personally think that's a sound decision, as you need momentum before doing that... but as you say Mr. Burning, they Had to know that they were doing this.
They should label it 32mm, though, not 28mm given the size of the figures so far.
I don't think anyone is going to be proxying models for a Spartan games ruleset...
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Of course, now that I've written it, it makes me want an army of pasty faced shoegazing robert smiths with massive backcombed hair and winklepicker boots with too many buckles...
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Post by: Kroothawk
It may have been strategy to make Dystopian Legion miniatures incompatible with other popular ranges, but it certainly is a bad strategy.
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Post by: Azazelx
I might just buy selected figures from the range to use in other games. The guys with the shields and pistols, Lord Flash, etc.
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Post by: RogueRegault
 Kroothawk wrote:It may have been strategy to make Dystopian Legion miniatures incompatible with other popular ranges, but it certainly is a bad strategy.
Or they could have made prototypes in 28mm, thought they looked weedy, and then scaled them up so they looked better. Not everything has to be part of a master plan.
If I was going to use them for another game, it'd be Great Rail Wars/Savage Worlds, which didn't exactly have a solid figure line in the first place.
It's not like GW's rules are that much better than Spartans....
I finally got my order in the mail and the figures are pretty decent looking. Can anyone spoiler cards 14 to 26 from the FSA deck? The Prussian and British decks are both fairly nice. (I can see Ein-Zwei, Ein-Zwei used a LOT).
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Post by: Kroothawk
Another size comparison shot by Ady from the Praetorian XXIV blog:
http://mypraetorians.blogspot.de/
Left Dystopian Legions, middle Victoria Miniatures, right GW Praetorians. So they all are indeed incompatible:
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Post by: vic
Gosh, they are big fellas, My guys are the same scale as plastic Cadians. I suppose you could mix DL and GW Praetorians if you wanted hobbits in your army
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Post by: Azazelx
Or you could use the Dystopian ones as a kind of Māori Battalion - in an ironic uniform twist!
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Post by: Absolutionis
On the bright side, because this game is more 32mm in spite of the advertisement, those looking for subbing minis into other games may enjoy the upcoming "Space Marine" models that can operate as 'Truescale' marines.
If the common infantry are giants, imagine the height of these guys:
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Post by: endtransmission
If the models are that scale compared to GW, they would make interesting additions to a DUST force... not sure how you'd fit them in fluff wise, but the scale is about right by the looks of it.
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Post by: alphaecho
Dystopian fellas are 6' 6", Vic Lamb's are 6'. GW's originals are my height..5' 7". Sorted. Some are Grenadier Company height, some are vertically challenged like me.
What it also means is that the tankettes will look bigger alongside my Praetorians.
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Post by: alphaecho
I have just noticed on the Dystopian Legions front page that they appear to have changed the blurb on the game:
DYSTOPIAN LEGIONS is a fast-paced, action-packed 32mm (foot to eye) scale tabletop game set in the exciting world of Dystopian Wars, where Victorian super science fiction has created a fascinating and brutal arena for a deadly world war.
I'm sure I never read that description before.
http://www.spartangames.co.uk/games/dystopian-legions
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Post by: BrookM
A recent change then, as it mentioned 28mm first.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Good on them far making the change
Hope they'll be sympathetic to anybody wanting a refund because they though they were buying compatible minis
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Post by: alphaecho
You can't really get them on that. The figures are sold as Dystopian Legions not generic sci-fi. The 28mm claim was incorrect or misguided but Spartan have never claimed their models are compatible with anything else.
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Post by: Myrthe
alphaecho wrote:You can't really get them on that. The figures are sold as Dystopian Legions not generic sci-fi. The 28mm claim was incorrect or misguided but Spartan have never claimed their models are compatible with anything else.
No, but I can "get them" on making a "boneheaded" and unnecessary decision to deviate from industry "standard" scale at the cost of sales and respect for their company. They are not an industry "leader" and, as such, should never have attempted to redirect the march of the masses. Most of us play games of a particular scale, with terrain of a particular scale and have collections of both amassed over years and even decades. For the sake of a few millimeters, Spartan has shot themselves in their collective foot and have made their miniatures useless to me and made me question the captains of their ship. Hey, it's one thing for GW to court negative public opinion but to willfully do it when you are a small fish in the pond is just naive or, worse, stupid.
OK, rant of personal opinion over ... I'm just really disappointed because I love the miniatures and would have gotten them all but, due to the scale decision, I have no use for them now.
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Post by: lucasbuffalo
 Myrthe wrote:alphaecho wrote:You can't really get them on that. The figures are sold as Dystopian Legions not generic sci-fi. The 28mm claim was incorrect or misguided but Spartan have never claimed their models are compatible with anything else.
No, but I can "get them" on making a "boneheaded" and unnecessary decision to deviate from industry "standard" scale at the cost of sales and respect for their company. They are not an industry "leader" and, as such, should never have attempted to redirect the march of the masses. Most of us play games of a particular scale, with terrain of a particular scale and have collections of both amassed over years and even decades. For the sake of a few millimeters, Spartan has shot themselves in their collective foot and have made their miniatures useless to me and made me question the captains of their ship. Hey, it's one thing for GW to court negative public opinion but to willfully do it when you are a small fish in the pond is just naive or, worse, stupid.
OK, rant of personal opinion over ... I'm just really disappointed because I love the miniatures and would have gotten them all but, due to the scale decision, I have no use for them now.
Or you can "get them" on what was (apparently accidental it seems) false advertisement. If you say one thing then provide another, it's not acceptable, regardless of what intent the consumer had in mind for it.
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Post by: Myrthe
 lucasbuffalo wrote: Myrthe wrote:
Or you can "get them" on what was (apparently accidental it seems) false advertisement. If you say one thing then provide another, it's not acceptable, regardless of what intent the consumer had in mind for it.
Well, yeah, there's that too 
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Post by: Alpharius
alphaecho wrote:You can't really get them on that. The figures are sold as Dystopian Legions not generic sci-fi. The 28mm claim was incorrect or misguided but Spartan have never claimed their models are compatible with anything else.
Well, other than the 28mm scale, of course!
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Post by: kenshin620
New stuff coming early march. Specialized units and heavy weapons
http://shop.spartangames.co.uk/SearchResults.asp?Cat=1911
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Post by: cygnnus
Pity they aren't in scale with some other popular games... I'd suspect they might get some additional sales from folks looking for "counts as" models.
Nice stuff, but not enough to get me into yet another game..
Valete,
JohnS
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
Damn those knights look cool
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Post by: RogueRegault
So are any of the new Sky Hussars specialists or not? Hard to tell from the image.
Teutonic Knight NCO looks pretty cool.
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
Any info on when we can expect the other Dystopian factions like Antarctica?
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Post by: Jehan-reznor
Hm the size difference is annoying, but i am still interested
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Post by: noneoftheabove0
I have to say, these are unbelievable looking models. I didn't realize they had so much out already. I mean, how long have they been making models, like four months? I have to tell you, I think I'd be alright with making a regiment of Imperial Guard from a low gravity planet of giants or something. I'd rather have the great looking models out of scale than some of the crap models around that are in scale.
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Post by: angryboy2k
It looks like the models are actually 1/48 scale.
I have to say, they're very nice figures but I find myself in agreement with the people who are saddened by the scale; a little smaller and a lot of 40K players would have been all over these. As it is... I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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Post by: Azazelx
I just wish you could buy individual figures instead of the starter boxes. I'd grab the Lord Flash and Teutonic leader figures in a heartbeat for my IG, and they could just be tall men.
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