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I am back after a hiatus. As before, I will build the storm talon out of paper. The model is not of my own design The download can be found over at Zealot. http://www.zealot.com/ It is made by newobmij and further modified slightly by terrinecold. So far the model is well made and I am starting with the engine pods first. There will be some further modifications by me which will give the model some strength and a few more details. So here are the first photos of the build. Enjoy and see you all next posting.
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This model so far is build friendly. It also has the possibility for further enhancements. There are some tricks to the trade that you have think about in this build. Case in point, is the cowling for the nacelles. It has a very narrow strip to hold it in place. See the photos and you will see how to overcome this shortcoming. Enjoy and see you all the next posting.
Posted is one sheet of the plans
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Here is the next batch of photos on the build. The cowling portion of the engine nacelle had lines on them that threw of the visual, so I repainted them by hand using a cadmium yellow. To maintain the correct circle aspect of the engine nacelle, I made an inner ring support for the cowling. A smaller diameter of the fan diagram was used and a thin strip of black card stock was used. The black card stock eliminated the need for painting. Now for the fan cone, I hate using those pesky tabs and re-did the cone by using a paper stick and wrapping a thin strip of paper around the the tip. With my dremmel, I sanded the cone to shape. If you use the drill. be sure to insert it in flush with the collar. If it sticks too far out, it will break apart, and do use low speed as well. Enjoy and see you all soon with more on the Talon.
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Here is the next batch of photos and the result of the carved intake cone. For the exhaust, I did the retainer ring and used the socket to help in the installation. The louvers are laminated on top of each other and the first base piece is curved to fit on the exhaust. Enjoy and see you all next posting.
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I forgot to put a raised ring near the end of the exhaust like on the GW model but I am pleased how the engine pylon came out but that is a little further up the line. The hinges are not the same as the GW model, which are indented. I took some liberty with that part. I decided to start with the engine pylons, because when I get to the fuselage, I will do a full re-make of the interior and add some more stuff to it. I will go to town with that portion of the build.
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I have a tendency to take something simple and well made, then go all out to make it difficult. So far I have not even reached the fuselage stage and the externals are somewhat getting out of hand with all the detailing. But this procedure will help others to build up a better model and teach them how to enhance the model. All of this, is from my olden days of scratch building out of styrene before I found paper. The procedures are almost the same. I am also posting this thread on other sites as well, Dakkadakka and Resin Illuminati. Still up on the drawing board, is this same Talon in a manned walker version.
Using the reference from the GW model I added a few more greebles and raised surfaces.
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So on with the next batch of photos. The wings are a little too flimsy so I do what I do best, LAMINATE, LAMINATE. Because I changed the property of the original design, I have to insert it into the engine pods to maintain integrity. I forgot to compensate for this and the wings are slightly shorter than called for. If you laminate them, add an extension to go into the slot. Talking about the slot, Make that cut when it is flat. Once the model is three dimensional, you have to be extra careful in cutting the slot out. I also had to make some internal support for the wing slots. Enjoy and see you all next posting. I have a bunch of photos to edit for your enjoyment
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In continuation with the build, Here is another technique for the missile pylons. The front and back were laminated heavily, especially the front. The reason for the heavy lamination, is so the it can be drilled and the front will not collapse or get destroyed by the drill bit. I started the drill with the smallest drill and drilled again two more times with increased size of the drill bit. If you start with the larger drill bit, it will tend to move and destroy the part. With the smaller hole, the larger bits will have a guide to drill on. For the front edge of the pylons, I wrapped a black card strip and then I rolled a white strip around it. This will give it a deeper depth like on the GW version. Enjoy and I will see you soon with more stuff and techniques.
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Now to continue with the build. At the present I have started with the fuselage from the back to the front. There is some minor fit issues but I will see how to overcome them. Here I started with the rear of the missile pylon. Too many pesky tabs so I just laminated to the thickness. Instead of hand painting the part, I wrapped a thin strip of black card stock and I am going to leave it black. The vents are too close in this part to be able to properly cut them out so I just raised the surface with thin panels.
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Looks very nice so. Interested in seeing the final product
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Surprisingly credible... I'm also very intrigued to see how this goes
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steinerp wrote:Looks very nice so. Interested in seeing the final product
Flashman wrote:Surprisingly credible... I'm also very intrigued to see how this goes
Thanks for the comments guys and I am glad that your interest is pique. It is remarkable what con be done with paper. The imperial and Chaos models are the easiest to build because of their boxy nature. The Tau come next and the Eldars are a challenge. Enjoy the build and here is the next batch of photos on the build. The construction of the nose gun bucket and the beginning of the barrels and the landing skids.
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The talon is coming out pretty good. I am now looking at the making of the cockpit. In the mean time, here is the next batch of photos. Continuation of the Gattling and the landing gears. This is one version of making the gattling.
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After photo number 76, I will re-do the captions the same way I did with the chariot thread. In the meantime, here are the next set of photos for your enjoyment. The first one is where the model is at the moment. Enjoy and see you all next posting.
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More photos. I have about 150 in the photo series and they need to be edited and captioned first. Here are some mix match photos of the gun tub, landing gear and the gattling gun.
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Interesting work. keep it up! 
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Stick around Decio, more to come;
More on the Talon build thread. Finishing off one of the Gattlings. This is one version of construction and I used a template to hold the barrels together in the construction. There is a little knob at the end of the barrel assembly which is inserted into the receiver. I do not like this method but the second version coming up. I like much better. Sorry about the lettering captions. After 76 the photos will have captions in their own dialogue box.
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So here are some photos of the other version of the Gattling as well as the Landing gears and the new captions box. As mentioned earlier, it was a bit hard to read in the darker background.
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Of all the design for this project, the only one I could not use, were the vector thruster. I went and made my own and slightly modifying the ones from GW. The base attachment points came out rather well. But that is for another posting.
The second version of the Gattling is finished and both units are attached to the gun bucket. The pads for the landing gears are finished and painted.
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Good to see your work again. I love seeing your paper builds, very entertaining. Keep it up 
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 monkeytroll wrote:Good to see your work again. I love seeing your paper builds, very entertaining. Keep it up
Thanks for the welcome back. I am back home and I am done with overseas contracts. I will be shortly a full pensioner (I like that word better than our "retired".) I have to finish off the drop ship in my other thread , which is the reason I made a separate thread for the Storm Talon. Enjoy and see you all soon with more updates.
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And here are some more updates and photos of the Talon. As mentioned in the captions, I did not laminate the tail, because it would have been a bit tail heavy and cause a stress point at the joint with the main body. The tail ailerons, I did laminate to thickness. Remember to save the circle that was cut out of the gun tub, it will now come in handy and make a good stop for the swivel tube later on. Enjoy and see you all after I edit a bunch of photos to come.
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continuation of the build thread. I should have started with the front before I did this section, but the results are adequate. The captions are self explanatory. Enjoy and see you all soon with more.
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More photos for your enjoyment. Everything looks fine up till now. Later on, I found that the center body had no tolerance for the cabin to fit. The center pylon was laminated to give the structure strength, Unfortunately, I did this section first. Next time I will do the cabin first and then work the center section around it. More photos to come. The Talon is now finished but it will take a few more postings until I get to the final showing. Enjoy and see you all around the forums.
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Now to continue with the build project, here is the next batch of photos for your enjoyment.
For the engine connectors I tried two versions. This is the first construction. There is another, which I liked and is the one I used in the model. This connection had a small hole to connect them, the other version was much larger and stronger, but you will see that later on.
I still have to do a few details before it is completely done. I am working on the hinged canopy in the open position and those missiles. I may also add more armaments, like hard points on the wings foe a bomb load and wing tip las cannons. But those are for another posting. Enjoy and see you all postings.
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Now on with the construction. Here are some photos that show the fit problem. I definitely did not want to scratch the Talon at this point but adapted to the new situation.
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And now, for more updates on the model. BTW, it is finished and will have a bomb array hard point, but that is for later. Enjoy and see you all around the forums.
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Looking good! Did that side panel actually rip, or was it a panel layer popping off?
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monkeytroll wrote:Looking good! Did that side panel actually rip, or was it a panel layer popping off?
As mentioned in earlier post. I should have started with the front , instead of the rear. One of the side front panels connecting to the cabin was damaged in the fitting phase. Not to worry, i fixed it somewhat later on and is not as visible. The Talon is finished but I still have to catch up on the photo editing.
So the build continues and here are more photos for your enjoyment.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
hey silveroxide... good to see you back here... and with some very good looking work too!!!
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 Viktor von Domm wrote:hey silveroxide... good to see you back here... and with some very good looking work too!!!
Yes, and I am glad to be back. I was overseas for a while and I am back home in the USA. I am done with those overseas contracts. Time to stay home and play with the grandkids. I have a few more conversions of the Talon that I am working on and they will follow in this thread. In the meantime, here are couple of photos of the finished product. The thread will continue until I get to this stage. Enjoy and see you all next posting.
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do i get this right, you used a printed and colored version at that to build that storm talon? remarkable... as no flashes (white of paper) are to be seen... very through work here... and the finished work looks very cool...
Time to stay home and play with the grandkids
how old are you? if i am allowed that boldness  i am by the way 38 since yesterday 
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Wow, that's superb and I'm presuming is quite a sturdy piece as it's laminated card. Strangely enough, I've printed this model out a few weeks ago with the intent to convert the Talon, but got sidetracked with a thunderhawk !
Good work, can't wait to see more models from you
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Viktor von Domm wrote:do i get this right, you used a printed and colored version at that to build that storm talon? remarkable... as no flashes (white of paper) are to be seen... very through work here... and the finished work looks very cool...
Time to stay home and play with the grandkids
how old are you? if i am allowed that boldness i am by the way 38 since yesterday
I am bit long on age, 62 this month and collecting my second pension in December. I believe that I missed my calling. I should have been a toymaker at the North Pole working for good old Uncle Nick.
As for the model, in the build sequence you noticed white edgings on most of the photos. I do not worry about that, since I would re-touch it with acrylic paints. Sometimes I build them as a plain black and white and color them to my taste. In the case of this version, I kept the color intact and found some paint to closely match the print out. You would have to look real close to notice that it is not made of plastic. The build thread will assure to skeptics that it is indeed made of paper. I am glad that you are enjoying the build thread and there are more photos to come. The next conversion is already in the works but that will be for another build thread at the end of this one.
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 Ruglud wrote:Wow, that's superb and I'm presuming is quite a sturdy piece as it's laminated card. Strangely enough, I've printed this model out a few weeks ago with the intent to convert the Talon, but got sidetracked with a thunderhawk !
Good work, can't wait to see more models from you
If you build it stock, it does come out as a very nice build but not as strong for constant table top gaming. I have a series of Warhammer stuff here also under warhammer armor and stuff. Click on my avatar and follow my threads. All of my Warhammer models were built to withstand a lot of handling and usable with the game pieces as they are almost to the same scale. Check out http://www.zealot.com/ and look for the warmammer40k thread for a bubch of free downloads of imperial armor and stuff. You will need to join for FREE, but you have to make 10 viable posting to be able to access the free stuff. You must keep in mind, that these models may not be allowed in sanctioned tournaments and at the local tournaments, you may need to get permission to use them. Enjoy and there are many more photos to com.
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I believe that I missed my calling.
the thought might occur^^
and i had the suspicion that you are a bit of mazurer material as you don´t tend to use that often or any orkmoticons... a bit of a sign for me
in the build sequence you noticed white edgings on most of the photos
actually i haven´t seen any... as i think your builds are top quality ones!
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Viktor von Domm wrote:I believe that I missed my calling.
the thought might occur^^
and i had the suspicion that you are a bit of mazurer material as you don´t tend to use that often or any orkmoticons... a bit of a sign for me
in the build sequence you noticed white edgings on most of the photos
actually i haven´t seen any... as i think your builds are top quality ones!
As the old saying goes, and I can remember that far back, I may be old but not dead, at least not yet. As for the Ork smileys, I usually do not use them here or at the other sites. 
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I may be old but not dead, at least not yet
nice referrence...
and your mix of printed and painted parts is something that really works well...
and... have you worked with that pastic before? i recently held a competition for scratchbuilding terrain and the task was to build a piece of terrain from a whole package of cookies... inside tray...wrapping and what else was included... (cookies needed to be eaten of course first )
and most competitors stated that the plastic of food packages is one hell of a material to paint or glue...what´s your opinion?
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Viktor von Domm wrote:I may be old but not dead, at least not yet
nice referrence...
and your mix of printed and painted parts is something that really works well...
and... have you worked with that pastic before? i recently held a competition for scratchbuilding terrain and the task was to build a piece of terrain from a whole package of cookies... inside tray...wrapping and what else was included... (cookies needed to be eaten of course first )
and most competitors stated that the plastic of food packages is one hell of a material to paint or glue...what´s your opinion?
I started to build model planes at the ripe age of 10 years and I started with that old defunct but marvelous company of the day "AURORA". moved on to Linbergh, AMT, Airfix and ERTL. Back then, plastic models were very low priced. My first Tamiya model, was the Highly detailed interior Tiger Tank which I bought for $14.00(US) and now goes for about $80.00 (US) and I thought that it was expensive then. Eventually I evolved into scratch building and using styrene. One of my first scratch built styrene models, was the Old Rhino. And then, I found card stock. in which I treat the paper like sheets of styrene and I just cut and fit until I get the desired effect.
My background in art is that I used to be a commercial artist way back ago, late 60's. I learned what paper holds best under wet conditions and what paper to use for making miniature buildings. The plastic in those cookie trays can be painted, but you have to wash them off the grease and oils that is on them from manufacturing or the cookies themselves. To avoid body oils from your fingers, white working gloves come in handy. One of the best chemicals to remove those contaminants from the trays, is vinegar or lemon juice. The acid in them counters the oils. You then spray paint a primer over the plastic and then you paint it up to your hearts content like a regular model.. Personally, I like the foam packaging from the electronics boxes. They already come in the shape of a heavy fortified building, you only have to apply the details, like doors, piping, windows etc.
I will be back soon with more photo updates on the Talon.
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Now with the Talon This bunch of photos, show my sticky label method. It also works well with rounded canopies. The paper sticks very well and gives a good adhesion point to the canopies. In this case, I used the flat panel from the pastry case. The plastic is thick enough to allow for a bend. I use a plier that is flat and no ridges so that it will not mar the surface. Once it is bent in the position required, it will maintain its shape and you do not have to worry about it spreading outward. The canopy in the plans is not together so I cut it out and joined it as one whole piece. This allows for a better fit. Without further Ado, here are the pics.
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I used to be a commercial artist way back ago, late 60's.
ah! those where the days... these times and the feel got me falsly into studing business administration one cold day... i regreted it bitterly... i wanted to do art and not business...well... so much for that...
your background is something we all here can profit from immensly!
One of the best chemicals to remove those contaminants from the trays, is vinegar or lemon juice. The acid in them counters the oils
that is high valuable information!!! great saving on materials thus... you have no idea how many containers of such plastics each day get used up, emptied and such like in our household...thanks for that hint!!! i will test that tomorrow for sure!
the mailing labels... what a cool idea! and with that little wastage it is a lifetimes wortth suply...do you use additional superglue to attach it to the plastic for the canopy? i bet it would later on come off on its own accord?
and personally i think the slided off version looks totally cool!!!
manny thank you´s!!!
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Viktor von Domm wrote:I
One of the best chemicals to remove those contaminants from the trays, is vinegar or lemon juice. The acid in them counters the oils
that is high valuable information!!! great saving on materials thus... you have no idea how many containers of such plastics each day get used up, emptied and such like in our household...thanks for that hint!!! i will test that tomorrow for sure!
the mailing labels... what a cool idea! and with that little wastage it is a lifetimes wortth suply...do you use additional superglue to attach it to the plastic for the canopy? i bet it would later on come off on its own accord?
and personally i think the slided off version looks totally cool!!!
manny thank you´s!!!
Those are some of the tricks of the trade. Also, that sticky label works also as a stick on decal as well. Use the label make program and make the labels with designs instead of lettering, something like a business card program. This way you can customize your models.with murals or pin ups on the sides. The sliding canopy is okay, but the rear is wide and the front is narrow, which makes the sliding canopy inappropriate, because the front would have to expand out to accommodate the width of the bulkhead, but it is an option. Here in the U.S. There is a spray paint made by Krylon that is used for plastic. They sell it at Wal-mart and It adheres to the molecular properties of the styrene and makes a better base for painting and you do not have to worry about the paint flaking.
Here is another pic heavy post on the Talon. I deviated from the plans, in the making of the thrusters and made them into two sections. With the rounded and concave ends, the thrusters are pose-able. The wing rotators are also different from the plans and they are more close to the GW version and both can rotate individually. The rotators are also more sturdy and withstand constant handling for gaming.
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after reading your musings about the labels i think it is inevitable to get me some of these then... specially the idea to create muriels is something that speaks directly to me... i was planning to make a new tank for my steampunk IG army anyways and this would be an option for me to expand my look of tanks... also i think as i have a nack for big tanks this might help me with the big bare spaces a behemoth would show...
krylon is known to me but after your explanation now i fully understand why so many swear to this...(could be wrong in translation here...)
would other companies rust protection spray primer work in this way too?
and the work on the thrusters and the rotators looks very good... i need to see again how you did those rotors... i have on my shelf of shame (all the projects that still are unfinished...probably to eternity...) an airship that needs among other work some good looking rotators to keep it aloft... i think this could be helpful...
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Viktor von Domm wrote:
krylon is known to me but after your explanation now i fully understand why so many swear to this...(could be wrong in translation here...)
would other companies rust protection spray primer work in this way too?
and the work on the thrusters and the rotators looks very good... i need to see again how you did those rotors... i have on my shelf of shame (all the projects that still are unfinished...probably to eternity...) an airship that needs among other work some good looking rotators to keep it aloft... i think this could be helpful...
I use automotive primers but if you were to build, lets say an eldar habitat using cut bottoms from soda or water bottles, after constant use, it would start to flake off because of the bottles flexibility. I did not fully show how I did the rotators due to the massive show of photos, but the piece
that sticks out on one of the connector, fits snug inside the other part. (Male and Female parts)
Well here are the final photos of the Storm Talon, missiles, bombs and canopy attachment.
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use automotive primers but if you were to build, lets say an eldar habitat using cut bottoms from soda or water bottles, after constant use, it would start to flake off because of the bottles flexibility
yes i see your point... in fact that is something that really messes the whole process... so i shoould rather opt/ hunt for the real thing then.. understood...
and you just have to love those neat bombs and rockets... i will remember this methode!
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Glad you like the Bomb sequence. It is a rather good way to make rounds for the Basilic as well, and place them into the bomb racks.
So here are the last photos of the Storm Talon and a few from the cockpit for the Manned Walker. The cockpit is almst the same as the Storm Talon but I did some modifications in the build process and the cockpit should be as close to the GW version as possible. Enjoy and see you all next posting.
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by the way... also a nice paintscheme... the red and yellow are quite tuned to each other!
and what do i read here? a manned walker?
you got me already line hook and sinker again
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awesome end product on the talon. what is the 'manned walker' -- an IG Sentinel?
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I cannot shake the sense that you, sir, have built your fair share of balsa wood airplanes.
I greatly appreciate you taking the time to not only photograph each step, but also explain how to make things like the bombs, and how to use a Dremel to best effect.
Thank you!
--Brian
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Excellent finished piece, it's always the final details you add that blow me away. And as usual, your posts are excellent, ful of useful tips and info.
Good job sir!
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Thanks for all your comments. The manned walker is like a sentinel, except that it will be used by the Astartes. The way I made this model, it can also be made in styrene and with parts from the Bitz box. Once the main cabin part is done, I will start to deviate and use the idea of the sentinel for the legs.
So off I go again with another version of the Storm Talon. As you can see from the previous Storm Talon build, this cabin is different and is as close to the GW version this time. Because the legs are a bit tighter on the model, I did away with the center console. The Space marine is trimmed and cut to be able to fit inside the cockpit. The arms will be glued on later. See you all soon with more photos.
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Well here are more updates on the cockpit/cabin for the Manned Walker. As you can see from the photos, I cut apart the cabin into sections and then put them back together around the front tub. From the reference photos, the pilots tub should have been recessed deeper but I kept it out a bit more than called for. While making this version, I looked at the parts and there is a possibility of making a two man cockpit, Apache style seating. Enjoy and see you all soon with more stuff and things.
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Amazing execution. It would take more than a 2nd glance to realise that it isn't plastic.
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 Flashman wrote:Amazing execution. It would take more than a 2nd glance to realise that it isn't plastic.
Thanks for your comment Flashman. That is the idea, to simulate and make it more believable model. I am glad that you are enjoying the build.
At the moment, the cabin is just about done and I will start either on the weapons arrays, or the legs. There are some parts I cannot attach to the main cabin until the body is attached to the legs, ie: antennas and sensor arrays but here are the next batch of photos on the Walker. The build is almost the same as in the Talon but with a few modifications here and there. Enjoy and see you all next posting.
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seeing all this makes me really eager to see how you will cope to implement the legs...
by the way... i seem to have forgotten with what you laminate your paper...?
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Viktor von Domm wrote:seeing all this makes me really eager to see how you will cope to implement the legs...
by the way... i seem to have forgotten with what you laminate your paper...?
The greatest part of the lamination is done with non-corrugated cardboard. It is about the thickness of of the cereal box carton. Cardstock, is about the thickness of a business card. It would take about three of these, to get the thickness of one sheet of the carton. The drawings can also be printed out and with adhesive, glued to sheet styrene and trimmed out for a plastic version of the model, other than the real model.
The build continues and the differences in the Talon and the Walker, will soon be evident. The lower leg connector, is coming out better than I expected. I am working on the second lower leg at the moment and it looks good so far. Sorry about no photos of the work at this time but it is coming. Here are some more photos of the build.
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Post by: Viktor von Domm
engine looks good, but will you add a wash later on? looks a bit bright atm...
still looking forward to those legs
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Viktor von Domm wrote:engine looks good, but will you add a wash later on? looks a bit bright atm...
still looking forward to those legs
It will look a bit more different when done but those photos are still up the line. I am working on the upper leg section and the under body connector is looking very good, but again, those photos are still a little bit ahead.
So here are some more photos of the Walker. The photos are self explanatory.
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Here are some more updates on the Walker. The next postings will be on the start of the leg mechanism. Enjoy and see you all soon with more updates.
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Some of you have been waiting to see how I tackle the legs section for the Walker. Here are the photos of the first phase of the legs section, the under mechanism for the fuselage.
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can´t really tell what´s what for now... but it sure looks beefy and cool already!
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Looking good, and looking at pic 30 this could make a good base for a landspeeder variant too.
Nice job on the sentinel style 'hips', although I'm a bit puzzled by the jet exhaust for a walker?
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can´t really tell what´s what for now... but it sure looks beefy and cool already!
Wait a little bit more Victor. The legs are taking shape.
monkeytroll wrote:Looking good, and looking at pic 30 this could make a good base for a landspeeder variant too.
Nice job on the sentinel style 'hips', although I'm a bit puzzled by the jet exhaust for a walker?
It does look like a possible landspeeder with a troop compartment in the back. As for the jet, Just think of it as a jump assist. If you throw anything over a D-4, The Walker can jump 24" (60mm), anything less, 12" (30mm). It is just like the helicopters, that have jet turbines but are used to power the propeller shafts. But I like the jump capabilities, to overcome obstacles and land behind the enemy. You would have to come up with the points system for it, like it would be the same points as a chimera, and the weapons count would be added as well. It would have to be agreed by the players as to how the points can allocated.
Now on with the build. So far the leg sections are coming along well and no problems encountered in the fit as of yet.
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The legs are taking shape
indeed! good looking upper leg!
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The next conversion will be ready to be built after I am finished with the Walker. I have enough reference and sketches to get it started. This main body is opened to many variations of conversions..
So now, on with more updates on the leg building phase. At the moment I have to wait until the lower leg glue sets so that I can do the ball joint connector. Enjoy and see you all soon with more updates.
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This is really interesting mate, and It's clear you've put alot of effort into it
Looking forward to seeing the finish article
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wow...shapely legs
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Yep! The legs are looking nice.
Continuing with the legs. At the moment, I am working on the foot pads. The legs are coming along nicely and better than I expected. Here is the next set of photos.
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oh... i would ahve thought you would make it a more chicken walker position for the legs... now it looks more human legged...
looking forward to the apearance of the feet now...
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 Viktor von Domm wrote:oh... i would ahve thought you would make it a more chicken walker position for the legs... now it looks more human legged...
looking forward to the apearance of the feet now...
There is still one more leg section before I get to the foot pads. But that will become apparent next posting. it will have the Sentinel leg profile.
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ah...ok... seems i am again one of those with little faith ok... i wait
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Just a little more and the legs will be ready, but they will not be attached permanently until I am finished with the weapon arrays.
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i am atm figuring out why you added hazard stripes to the hips...hmmm...?
the lower legs looks very good... very detailed and i see now the nod towards the seninels quite clear!
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Viktor von Domm wrote:i am atm figuring out why you added hazard stripes to the hips...hmmm...?
the lower legs looks very good... very detailed and i see now the nod towards the seninels quite clear!
Those caution stripes are there to make the model look cool, besides, imperial guards need to know where they are so that they do not step into a bone cracking hydraulics. The legs are almost done and the pads are attached but that will be for the next posting.
The lower legs are almost finished. Disregard the positions of the legs in the photo, they are on backwards but it will be fixed later near the end. The body will not be attached until the weapons array is done a few more details are finished.
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More photo updates, The making of the missile launcher. This version is different in that the launchers become one single unit and will be place on top of the cabin. The model is already nose heavy as is and this will bring the center of gravity back to the center. Again, the cabin will be attached permanently later after the weapons array are finished. But here is a look of the full body and legs pose.
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Here are the updates on the Walker. There are two more models to follow this series. The helicopter will be the next one in the build process and I have the rotor system ready for the build thread, but until then, enjoy and see you around the forums.
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wow... that is reallllllly looking good! at first i was a bit feeling akward to the posing... but in the next following pics you certanly turned my opinion round !!! i love that look...
the very last images remind me now strongly of mechwarriors... iiirc then a jenner woould fit your build quite nicley...
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It's starting to really come along! It looks fantastic Can't wait for more Any website's in particular that offer good templates for stuff in general?
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 celeborn wrote:It's starting to really come along! It looks fantastic Can't wait for more Any website's in particular that offer good templates for stuff in general?
Stick around, there is more to come. As for sites that deal with 40K stuff check out zealot.com and papermodelers.com At papermodelers, and zealot, look for armormans threads and you will find just about every vehicle in the imperial guard inventory, to include the Astartes.
Viktor von Domm wrote:wow... that is reallllllly looking good! at first i was a bit feeling akward to the posing... but in the next following pics you certanly turned my opinion round !!! i love that look...
the very last images remind me now strongly of mechwarriors... iiirc then a jenner woould fit your build quite nicley...
When I saw the body of the Storm talon, it reminded me of the Madcat. The model is coming along very nicely. Here are a few more updates on the build. Enjoy and see you around the forums.
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Love it, looks like some sort of wierd transformer stalking it's prey - I can envisage a pair of arms where the elevation controls are, like a cross between a dreadnought and a sentinel...
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Ruglud wrote:Love it, looks like some sort of wierd transformer stalking it's prey - I can envisage a pair of arms where the elevation controls are, like a cross between a dreadnought and a sentinel...
The controls are removable and that option is possible, but they would have to be scratch built. I am glad that you are enjoying this bild thread. Stick around for the other conversions.
I am almost near the end of this build. There are just a few details to do but it is looking real good. Here is a teaser of the almost finished model and photo updates. The Las cannons will be enclosed in a protective casing, instead of exposed. The connector is removable and you can design other arms, claws, power fist or weapons. The stand is not what I was going to originally make but my ink supply is getting low at the moment. Enjoy and see you all next posting
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Interesting base...
Looking great, can't wait to see it finished
Thanks for the link
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oh yeah...madcats look very good... that and the timberwolf are my favorits...
the lasgun sponson/arms really give the certain something that the model needs...!
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celeborn wrote:Interesting base...
Looking great, can't wait to see it finished
Thanks for the link
Your request is here, Enjoy and stick around for the next installment.
Viktor von Domm wrote:oh yeah...madcats look very good... that and the timberwolf are my favorits...
the lasgun sponson/arms really give the certain something that the model needs...!
As mentioned earlier, the Madcat is what gave me the idea for the Walker. The sponson are removabel and maybe in the future I may make some options, like a power fist/claw or other kinds of armaments.
The model is finished and here are some updated photos of the model. All that is left, is the editing and posting of the last photos of the Manned walker build. Next on the assembly line will be that Helicopter support attack helicopter. To keep it in perspective, it will not be as heavily armed as the others but it will have a good complement of weapons. So enjoy until the next build thread. The last phtos will be spread out since I can only upload six photos at a time.
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Thanks to all of you for your words of encouragements. I am in the process of the next Talon conversion and I am stuck at the cockpit stage. The details are no problem but I have to build two pilots for it. The figure is coming along very nicely so far but I will not post until I finish one of the pilots and then I will post as to how I made it out of carved paper. So wait patiently and i will be back soon with the next project.
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That's really cool, how rigid is it? Fairly sturdy?
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It is comparable to the strength of a GW sentinel, and like the Sentinel. the weakest point, is the foot ball joint.. That could have been fixed by wrapping the thin strip around a wooden dowel or inserted a nail as the center. Since I wanted to try to make the walker out of card stock as much as possible, I used the paper stick, (Q-Tip)
As for the Talon, That is also very sturdy and can hold its own with its GW version. Both are heavy, about the same weight as the GW and just as sturdy.
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 silveroxide wrote:
As for the Talon, That is also very sturdy and can hold its own with its GW version. Both are heavy, about the same weight as the GW and just as sturdy.
That's always a good sign. Every time I scratch build something I dread to transport it because of the fear of breaking something in the car or something. Good work all around.
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That walker is awesome. It's creative and it's well executed. My only criticism would be that the legs seem kinda weak compared to the bulky feel of the top. If i was shooting at that thing id go for the legs right away. Maybe throwing some plating on the sides would help?
Just an observation, great work!
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Great to see it finished
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Just this conversion but I have two more in the works, so stick around for the rest.
 bibblles wrote: silveroxide wrote:
As for the Talon, That is also very sturdy and can hold its own with its GW version. Both are heavy, about the same weight as the GW and just as sturdy.
That's always a good sign. Every time I scratch build something I dread to transport it because of the fear of breaking something in the car or something. Good work all around.
One of the good things about paper models, It glues back together with white glue real easy.
 AtariAssasin wrote:That walker is awesome. It's creative and it's well executed. My only criticism would be that the legs seem kinda weak compared to the bulky feel of the top. If i was shooting at that thing id go for the legs right away. Maybe throwing some plating on the sides would help?
Just an observation, great work!
In actuality, That was one of the options that I was considering, something like armor skirts for the leg sections, but I did not want to cover up the detail work on the legs.
Now for those of you who have not seen some of my other scratch builds. I designed and built a riverine unit a while back and then Henry Zou wrote a book about the 31st Riverine Amphibious. It is a pretty good read about an Imperial Guard unit that was abandoned and turned on by the local eclesiatics and forced to fight against the emperor. A story of good guys gone bad. Here are some of the works that I did about Imperial guard riverines. I used Catachans since they seem to have that nautical flair to them, bare chested and seem to be wearing flotation vest most of the time. As the theme for the Talon goes, they are also made out of paper stock. Enjoy the photos while I continue to design that attack chopper.
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ah...the fond memories!!! i loved those boats!
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I figured that I would repost some of the photos of the riverines for those who did not get a chance to check out the build thread on them.
Here is the next installment. I was going to use a GW space marine as the pilot and gunner, but I was challenged to make the figures out of paper as well. So I will show how I made them in the following build process photos.
I have been having some problems with my camera in that it keeps shutting off and killing the batteries too fast. I hope that it will hold out for this build, or I will have to revert to my old 3 megapixel camera. The photos of the cockpit build start up, for some reason, disappeared so I will have to start from the built tub forward. In one of the photos, you will see one of he carved Space marine and the last photo is the start of the building of the figure. Enjoy and see you all soon with more updates.
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Since I cannot proceed until the figures are done, here is my attempt at making the Space Marines out of paper. The dremel comes in handy for this part of the carving process. As usual, the size of the picture pixels determine the sequence, so they are numbered because of this discrepancy. Enjoy and see you all next posting.
I have a commission to do a wooden sailing ship. I have three choices, A Virginia intercoastal smuggler Swift boat, A French Galeon Lejon or the San Salvador. I will make some parts from paper but over all, it will be about 80% wood. I have to make it by Thanksgiving, which will make it a rush project. This means that the Attack Heli may be a slow build, maybe.
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Here are some more updates on the Space Marines, before I continue wih the helicopter build.
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The figures are finished and now I can dedicate the rest of the build to the Helicopter version. The troop compartment is coming along nicely and after scrutinizing more closely, it looks like a Space Marine stretch Limousine.
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Here are some more photo updates of the Space Marine Stretch Limo copter.
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And the build continues with more photo updates on the 40K Marine chopper.
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Yay! Numero dos!
It's look fantastic
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Thank you for the comment, It is coming out real nice so far. I am considering the weapons array system and the landing gear. skids, pads or wheels. So here is another update of photos. enjoy and see you around the forums.
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So here I go again, with more photo update on the Marine Chopper. I am surprised as to how it is coming out, so far it is looking real good. Enjoy and see you all soon with more updates.
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omg... i am ill for some days and you keep chucking out amazing new stuff here... doing a paper marine thzis way has got to be the first time ever... you are truly bold as brass... very inspiring! the "stretch limo" is looking very good too!
will you show some of the ships work here too?
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Viktor, It is always good to check on something and get a surprise, (a good surprise). I am glad that you are still checking on my stuff. As for the ship, It will be on scale with the Warhammer, LOTR figures. If I should decide to post the build here, it would probably bet posted as a Corsair or pirate ship. It will be a two masted ship with no yard arms.
I did not make the seat belts and that is another option that can be done if it was done as a troop carrier, but this version will be a weapons platform.
If this was an imperial guard chopper, The cabin would have been a two side by side seater instead of piggy back. The cabin is big enough for two guardsmen. I will do the doors to see how it would look with them but I will not use them in the final project due to the weapons update which will need the doors open.
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I am glad that you are still checking on my stuff.
well i was ill the last coupla days... so no fun using the webways for me... too much coughing ruins even my crappy spelling
as for the ship... please do show it here.... your stuff is an education and a half!
which makes me ask this: how do you plan your projects? how do you come up with the carrier idea? do you do some sketches first?
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Viktor von Domm wrote:I am glad that you are still checking on my stuff.
well i was ill the last coupla days... so no fun using the webways for me... too much coughing ruins even my crappy spelling
as for the ship... please do show it here.... your stuff is an education and a half!
which makes me ask this: how do you plan your projects? how do you come up with the carrier idea? do you do some sketches first?
Sorry to hear about your cold. If you were here in the U.S.A., I would have recommended some thera flu or good old chicken soup. But I also found out that if I drink apricot brandy, it burns the mucus as it goes down and soothes the throat, but drink it in moderation of course, cannot have any blade cuts on the modeling pieces.
I have the research and some plans for the Virginia Swift boat, circa 1840-1890. I will have to find a niche for it here.
As for the planning process, Well that is a yes and a no at the same time. The idea pops into my head and I start to work from my imagination. With the Talon, I had a starter plan already in place that I could work from. And yes, sometimes I do make a sketch as to what I want to do and work from that. But mostly, I still rely on my imagination.
So here are some more photo updates on the Storm attack Helicopter.
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cannot have any blade cuts on the modeling pieces
absolutly not!
fingers will mend aynway^^
oh and i did have good old chicken soup! it´s a must! actually since i have smaller kids... no alc at home is used anymore... sometimes i feel a small ping of sadness as apricot brandy sure would have been fun... but if you´re a father then you are in service 24/7 and being slightly tipsy in the middle of the night is a no go for me when the kid might be in need of a new blanket after a small youngish accident... so mostly i get my kick from sweets
very convincing looking blades... very good looking shape!
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As for the planning process, Well that is a yes and a no at the same time. The idea pops into my head and I start to work from my imagination. With the Talon, I had a starter plan already in place that I could work from. And yes, sometimes I do make a sketch as to what I want to do and work from that. But mostly, I still rely on my imagination.
actually i expected such an answer^^... i tend to make sketches... sometimes i stick to them and sometimes (make that mostly ) i stray from that path... lol
and those greebles sure make that model pop something good!!!
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Vicktor, I understand about the little kinders. On a separate note, the last time I was in Berlin, the wall was up and Check point Charlie was active. And the foreign military were classified as occupying powers. The old East German territory has come a long ways since the Soviet occupation. I have the luxury of having my children in their 40's and the occasional visit from the third generation who I try to spoil, but not too much.
Here are some more updates on the 40K chopper. Postings may be sporadic from here on. I will be working on the Virginia Swift boat soon. The model is taking shape and the weapons are not done yet. Still considering the weapons components for it. Enjoy and see you all soon with more updates.
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I seem to be spending a lot of time in the details development for this version. It is almost done as a stock model and soon I will start with the weapons options. Here are some more updates on the model. The details is what makes the model. Enjoy and see you all next posting.
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The old East German territory has come a long ways since the Soviet occupation.
for sure!!! that´s where i am currently living...
the occasional visit from the third generation who I try to spoil, but not too much.
that is the edge balancing job what makes the average grandpa to a good one cudos to you if you succed often enouh
oh and if you do cannons for the ship... these i would particularly like to see in the making... as my steampunk force would benefit greatly from such a build...
the heli is coming along really nice... landing gear is looking very good!
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oh and if you do cannons for the ship... these i would particularly like to see in the making... as my steampunk force would benefit greatly from such a build...
Actually Viktor, the cannons are the easiest part of the ship model but that will be for another build thread.
And now to continue on with more updates on the helicopter.
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i had a slight suspicion that this might be a wolven heli... very good looking... and now i have to ask... what is a paper a paper stick? just rolled up paper or is there something more to it?
and... Actually Viktor, the cannons are the easiest part of the ship model but that will be for another build thread.
be sure to give me a nudge
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i had a slight suspicion that this might be a wolven heli... very good looking... and now i have to ask... what is a paper a paper stick? just rolled up paper or is there something more to it?
The paper sticks are ear swabs (Q-tips) You can also find them at craft stores or confectionery baking sections for making lollipops.
I am starting on the ship and doing the rib preparations. In the meantime, here are some more updates. The helicopter is almost done.
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oh... q-tips have paper/cardboard sticks in the US? ours only have plastic sticks... that´s what made me wonder... now i understand...
for having a closer look at the amo lockers i had a look at your gallery.... wow... so many cool things to be seen there!!! the big chimera will be reviewed by me in due time again! even with templates... i call that very generous...again
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Viktor von Domm wrote:oh... q-tips have paper/cardboard sticks in the US? ours only have plastic sticks... that´s what made me wonder... now i understand...
for having a closer look at the amo lockers i had a look at your gallery.... wow... so many cool things to be seen there!!! the big chimera will be reviewed by me in due time again! even with templates... i call that very generous...again
The paper sticks can also be found at the crafts stores or at the bakery section for making lollipops
The Chimera if you print it out as A4 size, it will come out about 1/35 scale. You may have to reduce the size to U.S. Standard paper size 8x11. Have fun doing it and follow the build thread.
The helicopter is supposed to have a chin mounted gatling as an option but then, those can be added later on. I think that I will leave it as is for now since I have to get on with something else outside the Sci Fi world, but I will be back to 40K again. I still have to finish that drop ship. Here are some more photos for your enjoyment and see you all the next posting.
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Here are some more photos of the Helicopter and the three conversions together. There is one more conversion to make but that will be for later, I have to build a sailing ship first. You can follow the building of that sailing ship in another build thread. Enjoy and see you all later.
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brillaint trio... very good work and they all show what wonders an open and creative mind can come up with with such a ground model to start from!
by the way... the landing platform looks very good too... any chance to have a better look at these without the models? always on the lookout for good looking terrain features
*about to search for that new thread *
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Hey Silver, just seen your blog on the Dakka homepage and reminded me to check back in on progress. Boy was it worth it - your walker is superb and I love your attack chopper. I think the Talon really lends itself to this conversion and something that I've been considering doing at some point.
As for your IG boats, I've seen them before and was previously inspired to build one based on a Vietnam war era PBR, one day I'll give it a go - it's been added to my 'To Do List' which just seems to get longer and longer...
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