So after so so many pro and anti gun threads I though I'd see how many here actually use their guns for a tasty reason.
I personally hunt. Both small and large game. I also think that anyone that eats meat should at least once in their life do the same. When you actually are the one to take an animals life and then clean and butcher it, it really does change you.
And not in a bad way I might add. I personally think too many people are divorced from what they eat. Meat means killing another living being. This isn't wrong. But its so much easier to pick up a package in the store than actually deal with the situation.
Anyways:
Deer: .308 single-shot rifle, and my baby, my grandfathers Ithaca '37 Deerslayer
Rabbit/Squirrel: 20 guage break action/ .410 guage sometimes for squirrel
Turkey: Full gauge choke Mossberg 500
Anybody else here use their guns for something besides target/ people?
(not trying to start a fight AT ALL but that is what concealed carry/ home defense is for)
No i do not hunt. Its an ethical thing. I feel horrible accidently killing a racoon with my jeep, I couldnt live if i killed Bambi's mom. Quite Frankly i do not understand why, if you do not need to hunt for a living, why you feel the need to kill another animal. But that i just me, if it floats your boat, more power to ya.
You do realize to eat an animal that someone had to kill it yes? This is why I think more people SHOULD hunt. After you see an animal for what it really is it does change you. Mass produced meat can become very unpalatable when you realize how its made.
.243 is my muley gun and I'm going to be building a .308 next year for everything else. The .243 does double duty for 'yotes. Occasionally go out after rabbits but I let the foxes handle that population problem for the most part. Few things are as tasty as a fresh deer steak.
Never done fowl though I'd like to try some time.
My dream "tag" is to receive a mountain lion tag in the state "lotto" some year. I have a great respect for mountain lions and hunting them is fairly dangerous, it's quite easy for the hunter to become the hunted and such a challenge would be awesome.
I used to hunt coyotes but I stopped. It was too easy. Deer are too easy too in my mind, but my friend is getting me into archery so.
I also live in NY while I know you dont so things are different.
And hotsauceman thats my whole point. And this is just my opinion but when you actually have to take the animal your gonna eat it really does alter your view. In a good way. Animals are animals not commodities. Thats why I think more people should hunt. Its part of the reason I have such a problem with PETA.
But I'll throw up an example I know well. White-Tail Deer in the NorthEast. They are in record numbers that could never have survived in the natural world. WE have artificially increased their numbers to point where a large number either get shot by hunters or starve to death. You tell me what you think is more humane.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And KM fowl is fething great. At least when your going after pheasants or the like. I still do duck because there are way to many and their way too delicious but its not hard at all lol.
The deer and yotes here are fairly smart, but I do yote hunting as community service, I know there's a population issue with those puppies every where but damn it's bad out here. Keeps my shooting and tracking sharp and keeps the population down, can even earn me some money if I travel out onto the plains and plink at a ranch.
That reminds me my friend wants to take me hunting for "speed goat" or antelope as most people call it out here.
Hunting's pretty important just for conservation, we killed off all the other mainline predators in record numbers, as the apex predator and an intelligent species taking our share of the herd in a balanced and intelligent manner is just our place as stewards of nature. It doesn't hurt that the benefits of being a steward of nature tastes great with some BBQ sauce.
I am a modern civilised human. My hunting ground is the local market. Besides, much of our native wildlife is still here for a particular reason. It tastes horrible.
Sure, Kangaroo, croc and Emu are tasty when prepared right. But wombat, koala and quokka just taste nasty.
Koala being an indigenous word for "tastes like crap".
I do not burn meat over an open fire (this I leave to my less-evolved knuckle-dragging caveman forebears) - I have a well provisioned kitchen (indoors) that is comfortable and airconditioned and free of flying bugs.
I don't hunt because I don't have a car or a gun or a place the hunt or a licence or someone to hunt with or the will to sit in a tree for hours or the will to tug the skin off of a frozen deer all by myself or the equipment to process the deer myself (no way am I letting someone else do it) or the time.
I wouldn't mind going hunting if the above reasons were rectified cause I fething love venison.
I would prefer to only hunt what I plan to eat. However I could see hunting coyotes if they are a major problem in an area and the population needs to be kept in check.
I wouldn't go hunting just for the sport of hunting. I don't give a damn about antler size and don't care to associate with people who do.
I am a modern civilised human. My hunting ground is the local market. Besides, much of our native wildlife is still here for a particular reason. It tastes horrible.
Sure, Kangaroo, croc and Emu are tasty when prepared right. But wombat, koala and quokka just taste nasty.
Koala being an indigenous word for "tastes like crap".
I do not burn meat over an open fire (this I leave to my less-evolved knuckle-dragging caveman forebears) - I have a well provisioned kitchen (indoors) that is comfortable and airconditioned and free of flying bugs.
In short you don't hunt, but you hire "assassins" to do it for you
KalashnikovMarine wrote: The deer and yotes here are fairly smart, but I do yote hunting as community service, I know there's a population issue with those puppies every where but damn it's bad out here. Keeps my shooting and tracking sharp and keeps the population down, can even earn me some money if I travel out onto the plains and plink at a ranch.
That reminds me my friend wants to take me hunting for "speed goat" or antelope as most people call it out here.
Hunting's pretty important just for conservation, we killed off all the other mainline predators in record numbers, as the apex predator and an intelligent species taking our share of the herd in a balanced and intelligent manner is just our place as stewards of nature. It doesn't hurt that the benefits of being a steward of nature tastes great with some BBQ sauce.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: The deer and yotes here are fairly smart, but I do yote hunting as community service, I know there's a population issue with those puppies every where but damn it's bad out here. Keeps my shooting and tracking sharp and keeps the population down, can even earn me some money if I travel out onto the plains and plink at a ranch.
That reminds me my friend wants to take me hunting for "speed goat" or antelope as most people call it out here.
Hunting's pretty important just for conservation, we killed off all the other mainline predators in record numbers, as the apex predator and an intelligent species taking our share of the herd in a balanced and intelligent manner is just our place as stewards of nature. It doesn't hurt that the benefits of being a steward of nature tastes great with some BBQ sauce.
Do they have a bounty where you're at?
I imagine the owner of the ranch might be willing to throw you a few bucks/beers for every one you kill.
I have as of yet, only been the benefactor of hunters... My uncle regularly takes an elk or deer, and we have that at thanksgiving (along with turkey, ham, roast beef, and brats)
Another family friend goes for black bear every so often, and thats some good eatin's for sure.
I have however, gone salmon fishing a long time ago, and a fish that is "minutes out of the water" fresh, is the best damn fish I've ever had in my life.
There was also good frog hunting there. An early morning's bird hunt and a couple hours spent bagging some frogs in the afternoon along with getting a sackful of sponge mushrooms out of the woods made for a supper to remember.
Ma55ter_fett wrote: I don't hunt because I don't have a car or a gun or a place the hunt or a licence or someone to hunt with or the will to sit in a tree for hours or the will to tug the skin off of a frozen deer all by myself or the equipment to process the deer myself (no way am I letting someone else do it) or the time.
This isn't directly fully at you. But you and our Australian/ New Zealander/ European members do realize that there are other ways to hunt besides with a gun right? Archery and trapping both spring to mind right off the bat. But Im also not naive to enough to think that there might be different laws governing these things. And by no means MasterFett do you need to sit in a stand to hunt. In fact a lot of hunters do in fact look down on that because its very easy.
I bring it up more for our American followers. I've noticed that a hell of a lot are anti-gun. Also a lot are pro-gun. Both sides seem to be not talking about useful guns at least in the sense of hunting. Handguns aren't hunting guns. They're human guns. Ive also noticed that very few are vocally at least vegetarian. I bring this up because why are people so keen to eat an animal, to but so afraid to see how its done?
And I dont think that everyone needs to kill an animal to be able to eat it. But I do think that everyone that is going to eat an animal should be able to at least witness and be comfortable as to how its done. I say this as someone that ate a lot of processed meat until I started hunting. And I'll admit I have really gotten into the local food sustainable call it hippy viewpoint. And I really do think more people should hunt. At least where I live in the US white-tail deer are a problem. We as humans disrupted the natural balance where now they have an abundance of food and a huge dearth of natural predators. They population isnt going through natural selection they starve to death.
So even if you don't hunt but still eat meat I'd love to see your reasonings.
So if your willing to eat meat why are you against seeing how its made?
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: I have as of yet, only been the benefactor of hunters... My uncle regularly takes an elk or deer, and we have that at thanksgiving (along with turkey, ham, roast beef, and brats)
Another family friend goes for black bear every so often, and thats some good eatin's for sure.
I have however, gone salmon fishing a long time ago, and a fish that is "minutes out of the water" fresh, is the best damn fish I've ever had in my life.
No offense but you are the first person Ive ever heard of saying bears are good meat. People eat it without a doubt. But it spoils within hours and I really think its more about taking an animal that can take you. Depending on where you live in the US of course. West coast is very different from East coast when it comes to bears.
I don't feel the need to hunt simply because I don't need the meat for my table, which I see as the only reason to do so. If I want to do something 'for sport', it'll involve a ball, or being part of a team.
If the time ever comes that I need to drop a deer or some rabbits to feed my family, then things will be very different, and I won't hesitate. I won't see any honor in it though, because I don't see any glory to be had in proving myself smarter than a friggin' deer. For me, it would be a task, just like cutting firewood to burn.
And if it wasn't for laws(or in a time where the laws didn't matter), if i was simply in need of the meat, I would sure as hell bait that deer in, and then pop it from a tree blind with a single .22 to the forehead, which I know from having farm with goats will absolutely drop a deer in a heartbeat, and put none of the useable meat at risk.
Never been hunting but it is more of a function of environment (not really a hunting family) and time then any problem with hunting itself. I have no problems with hunting, and most hunters I know tend to be more ecologically minded then the people I have met that protest it. I would add the caveat that I don't like trophy hunting. If you are going to hunt, you should at least respect the creature enough to make some delicious stew out of it.
hotsauceman1 wrote: No, And yes I know It's hypocritical, but I just see myself killing and animal myself for food.
For me that is the only requirement for me to hunt. I could never hunt just to have a head to mount on the wall. If I kill eat, I eat it. No killing deer and hog for sport, if it dies it will be used.
I don't hunt, but my family does raise its own animals. Turkeys and Chickens, and we used to do pigs. We did a cow once, but the last 2 weeks of him deciding to walk through every fence we had made us not do it again. Of course he was darn tasty
AegisGrimm wrote: I don't feel the need to hunt simply because I don't need the meat for my table, which I see as the only reason to do so. If I want to do something 'for sport', it'll involve a ball, or being part of a team.
If the time ever comes that I need to drop a deer or some rabbits to feed my family, then things will be very different, and I won't hesitate. I won't see any honor in it though, because I don't see any glory to be had in proving myself smarter than a friggin' deer. For me, it would be a task, just like cutting firewood to burn.
And if it wasn't for laws(or in a time where the laws didn't matter), if i was simply in need of the meat, I would sure as hell bait that deer in, and then pop it from a tree blind with a single .22 to the forehead.
Dont take this the wrong way but I can tell from your post you've never hunted let alone deer.
Its not just about putting meat on your plate. Its about bringing the natural order of things back to where they used to be. Its about realizing that when you eat meat an animal died. If its beef chicken veal or pork they died in a much more horrible way then a deer in the forest.
Do you feel honor bringing home ground beef from the supermarket?
Its this type of sentiment that scares me. We'll eat meat till were fat when its shipped in from TX, but to kill your own? Oh thats barbaric.
And Im not trying to single you out Aegis. Im really trying to see another American on this board give me a legitimate reason if they're not vegetarian (which I respect fully) why they have something against hunting. You eat meat? You should see where it comes from.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Thank you Ahtman I exalted you. Very well put why you dont hunt.
hotsauceman1 wrote: No, And yes I know It's hypocritical, but I just see myself killing and animal myself for food.
For me that is the only requirement for me to hunt. I could never hunt just to have a head to mount on the wall. If I kill eat, I eat it. No killing deer and hog for sport, if it dies it will be used.
I'm eating the next 'Yote I kill. Just to try it, if it's good I'll probably continue. I try to eat/use everything I kill (I take yote pelts now for example) but honestly the only excuse for "sport" hunting is the need for population control. Yotes and hogs for example and especially in the latter of the two/
No offense but you are the first person Ive ever heard of saying bears are good meat. People eat it without a doubt. But it spoils within hours and I really think its more about taking an animal that can take you. Depending on where you live in the US of course. West coast is very different from East coast when it comes to bears.
The quality of bear meat greatly depends on where it's bagged, sadly. If it's taken near "humanity", like a garbage dump or something, then the meat is extremely tough, and doesn't taste so good. But if you get one that lived way out of the way, living on berries and fish, the food acts as a sort of living marinade, since you can actually taste hints of berries and whatnot in the good bears.... Ohh, and the "river" bears' meat is ridiculously tender.
I have thought about trying bow hunting (more sporting for the deer) but I don't own a bow either.
And in any event I'm not in it for the sport (as I've said) but for the acquision of my own meat (I know where it's been and who processed it etc) IF I go hunting I want the closest thing to a guantee that you can get that I will get my deer because as I've said I FETHING love me some venison steak/burger/sausage and after going through all the trouble of getting up early when all other reasonable people are asleep, truginng my ass and gear into the wilderness, freezeing my tush, maybe getting lost and having to survive on my wits alone (won't be long), maybe getting killed by someone else who mistakes me for a deer wearing blaze orange (as a disguise), I had better get that deer.
As for pro/anti gun... not gonna touch that subject.
Ahtman wrote: Never been hunting but it is more of a function of environment (not really a hunting family) and time then any problem with hunting itself. I have no problems with hunting, and most hunters I know tend to be more ecologically minded then the people I have met that protest it. I would add the caveat that I don't like trophy hunting. If you are going to hunt, you should at least respect the creature enough to make some delicious stew out of it.
I think most people that trophy hunt also take the meat, or at least donate it. It doesn't get left to rot in the wild.
Anybody remember that article about Donald Trump's sons going hunting in Africa and all the outrage that caused?
They were trophy hunting, but all the meat was given to local villiages. it was a real big help I'm sure.
AegisGrimm wrote: I don't feel the need to hunt simply because I don't need the meat for my table, which I see as the only reason to do so. If I want to do something 'for sport', it'll involve a ball, or being part of a team.
If the time ever comes that I need to drop a deer or some rabbits to feed my family, then things will be very different, and I won't hesitate. I won't see any honor in it though, because I don't see any glory to be had in proving myself smarter than a friggin' deer. For me, it would be a task, just like cutting firewood to burn.
And if it wasn't for laws(or in a time where the laws didn't matter), if i was simply in need of the meat, I would sure as hell bait that deer in, and then pop it from a tree blind with a single .22 to the forehead.
Dont take this the wrong way but I can tell from your post you've never hunted let alone deer.
Its not just about putting meat on your plate. Its about bringing the natural order of things back to where they used to be. Its about realizing that when you eat meat an animal died. If its beef chicken veal or pork they died in a much more horrible way then a deer in the forest.
Do you feel honor bringing home ground beef from the supermarket?
Its this type of sentiment that scares me. We'll eat meat till were fat when its shipped in from TX, but to kill your own? Oh thats barbaric.
And Im not trying to single you out Aegis. Im really trying to see another American on this board give me a legitimate reason if they're not vegetarian (which I respect fully) why they have something against hunting. You eat meat? You should see where it comes from.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Thank you Ahtman I exalted you. Very well put why you dont hunt.
It's also good to hunt deer so they don't end up starving in the winter. I was lucky living where I have in my life since going hunting didn't involve much more than grabbing a rifle and walking out the front door.
I hunt Dakka all the time- I hunt it for people breaking the rules, and give them suspensions or warnings.
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If you meant that sentence with a comma, "Do you hunt, Dakka?", then no. Not aside from some fishing.
I would like to try it some time. I entirely agree that more people should be acquainted with the reality of killing their food, and that we're too disconnected from it nowadays. For most of human history eating meat meant seeing the animal alive, and doing the cleaning and butchering yourself; or at least by another member of your family where you could see it.
I try to stay aware and give thanks to the spirits of the animals whose flesh I consume, but it's way too easy to forget and to take it for granted.
No offense but you are the first person Ive ever heard of saying bears are good meat. People eat it without a doubt. But it spoils within hours and I really think its more about taking an animal that can take you. Depending on where you live in the US of course. West coast is very different from East coast when it comes to bears.
The quality of bear meat greatly depends on where it's bagged, sadly. If it's taken near "humanity", like a garbage dump or something, then the meat is extremely tough, and doesn't taste so good. But if you get one that lived way out of the way, living on berries and fish, the food acts as a sort of living marinade, since you can actually taste hints of berries and whatnot in the good bears.... Ohh, and the "river" bears' meat is ridiculously tender.
Yeah I've only dealt with bear meat from NY and PA, which falls into your garbage eating category pretty much always. Thats cool you've been able to sample whats a dying experience thats awesome. The aggressive bears in the East all got wiped out years ago.
Bit OT but you ever had a run in with an angry bear? Holy feth! is that scary. I feel like you know maybe though.
Grey Templar wrote: @ dutchkillsrambo: How was the leather on the Yote? I imagine its tolerable quality.
My friend ties flies so he always takes all our squirrel and coyote pelts. I'll be honest I was never much of a fisherman so I always let him handle that. But if it was soft or even workable really I wouldn't know. Realistically coyotes in America are our wild dogs so.
I also haven't been coyote hunting in almost 4 years and my friend also quit for the same reasons i did so take from that what you will.
Well he sure didn't shoot it for the rack I kid coolyo dropping it quickly with one shot is plenty to be proud of. I had to beat my first to death with the butt of my rifle after running out of bullets.
Coolyo294 wrote: I love to go hunting, particularly pheasant and deer hunting.
This is me a couple of years ago with the first deer I shot. It dropped almost immediately after one shot. Still rather proud of that.
Thats a mighty big deer you should be very proud. Outside looking in its only about rack size. While thats important, that deer shows that it's not always rack size. And to drop it immediately? That takes skill you should be proud.
Dropping an animal as quickly as possible is a point of pride that non-hunters dont realize. Even when your not going for the biggest buck any hunter that is respectable tries to kill their prey as quickly and humanely as possible.
Bit OT but you ever had a run in with an angry bear? Holy feth! is that scary. I feel like you know maybe though.
I've not personally. However, it's funny almost all survival guide's I've read say to play dead with a bear. The one dude I know who's had any sort of close encounter with bears will say the same. But, he always adds, if you are going to run, make sure you are running down hill, and to change your course after a short period of running (bears can cover some ground quickly, but they cannot run straight downhill, so once you get them tumbling, you change course and head back up hill or some other way, away from angry bear).
Ahtman wrote: Never been hunting but it is more of a function of environment (not really a hunting family) and time then any problem with hunting itself. I have no problems with hunting, and most hunters I know tend to be more ecologically minded then the people I have met that protest it. I would add the caveat that I don't like trophy hunting. If you are going to hunt, you should at least respect the creature enough to make some delicious stew out of it.
Mannahnin wrote: I hunt Dakka all the time- I hunt it for people breaking the rules, and give them suspensions or warnings.
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If you meant that sentence with a comma, "Do you hunt, Dakka?", then no. Not aside from some fishing.
I would like to try it some time. I entirely agree that more people should be acquainted with the reality of killing their food, and that we're too disconnected from it nowadays. For most of human history eating meat meant seeing the animal alive, and doing the cleaning and butchering yourself; or at least by another member of your family where you could see it.
I try to stay aware and give thanks to the spirits of the animals whose flesh I consume, but it's way too easy to forget and to take it for granted.
LOL sorry for the typograph but I'm glad you can understand where I'm coming from Manny.
I feel like people like to divorce themselves from their meat source. And its not always a nice thing the first time you see it. I came at it somebody that was a big backpacker, I railed against commercial meat, I though I was better pretty much. Then I shot my first deer at age 16. And it changed me. And if didnt even really change me till 3 years ago. Im 25 now.
What changed was I suddenly realized that the meat I eat that I kill is no different from the meat I eat from the store that someone else killed. The difference is what I am willing to deal with. I still deal with factory farms and the disgusting practices we allow there. Im human. Meat is fething delicious. But I also realized very quickly that I dont support animals being chained up in cages and not allowed to move while theur muscles slowly atrophy to the point that its tender.
I'm not trying to tell anyone their views are wrong. I don't think meat is wrong. I do think when your connected to what you eat and you are willing to take that animals life, you DO change your views on these things.
Why I wish more people hunt is not that I wish more animals will die. Trophy hunting is very small and very dumb aspect of hunting in general. I wish more people will realize what it really means for an animal to die for us. They are living creatures. They serve us. But we should also respect them though. Call it God call it Nature I don't care, life is a finite thing that should always be respected.
Bit OT but you ever had a run in with an angry bear? Holy feth! is that scary. I feel like you know maybe though.
I've not personally. However, it's funny almost all survival guide's I've read say to play dead with a bear. The one dude I know who's had any sort of close encounter with bears will say the same. But, he always adds, if you are going to run, make sure you are running down hill, and to change your course after a short period of running (bears can cover some ground quickly, but they cannot run straight downhill, so once you get them tumbling, you change course and head back up hill or some other way, away from angry bear).
I hate to say it but the old "if your running from a bear make sure your not the slowest" thing is kinda true. They will go after the weakest. But its few and far between so what are we really worried about. Carry bear spray and a bear keg and I'[ve never had a problem. Every backpacker I've ever met that did the same never had a problem either. Hang your food up 100 yards downwind at least 15 feet high and for the most part youll never have a problem.
Hunting bears on the other hand I know very little about.
Grey Templar wrote: @ dutchkillsrambo: How was the leather on the Yote? I imagine its tolerable quality.
My friend ties flies so he always takes all our squirrel and coyote pelts. I'll be honest I was never much of a fisherman so I always let him handle that. But if it was soft or even workable really I wouldn't know. Realistically coyotes in America are our wild dogs so.
I also haven't been coyote hunting in almost 4 years and my friend also quit for the same reasons i did so take from that what you will.
I like 'yote pelts personally, they make for good decorative fur trims, and the leather's decent enough. I bet yote taste varies like bear taste, lots of garbage near humans for the yotes to eat too.
I hunt purely for sport. I like killing things. Wether or not I butcher/consume them is purely an afterthought and a true pita. I only butcher them because of the waste of meat otherwise. (Except turkey. It's the bomb.)
I think hunters that pull the "harvesting for the health of the herd" card are full of dookie. And those who don't "trophy hunt" are just like me.... Killers.
During bow season I used to use a 25 year old browning compound bow (80 lb pull) with G5 broad heads. This season I bought a Barnett wildcat extreme crossbow (180 lb draw). Nothing yet. During bow season I let slick heads walk. When black powder comes in I start dropping everything. If its brown its down. I still use a bow.... Tried powder and don't like the unreliability.
During rifle I use a Ruger 300 win/mag. Overkill? Maybe. But I've never had to track one over 50 yards.
All of the skins and guts go in a pile on the other side of the property, under a power pole with a light. We have a stand 20 yards away, and take turns coyote killing.
I use a Mossburg 12ga with turkey choke for thunder chickens. ( by far my favorite prey)
Except for the varmit hunting, I hunt from the ground, and have shot deer as close as 15 foot. My closest turkey , and largest,(10 3/4" beard) I took at 5 foot.
I can't wait till my bachelor party. We're going hog hunting. Maybe I should start saving for an elk hunt.
Haters gonna hate. Killers gonna kill. Love the beards and racks. Never screw with gills. Lol
Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?
I'd ask where your from if so.
If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.
DutchKillsRambo wrote: Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?
I'd ask where your from if so.
If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.
Lol. If I wanted to hunt for population control, it would be with my truck doing 60 at 3 in the morning. ( that's when most get killed)
Gun control? Ha! Our season got extended last year. By a liberal politician. Accepting donations from insurance lobbyist. (They pay ALOT in claims in our state.) Are deer overpopulated in my area? Statistics say yes. The farmer who's land I hunt says he sees a few a month before the rut, so he thinks I'm keeping my area thin enough.
DutchKillsRambo wrote: Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?
I'd ask where your from if so.
If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.
The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.
My sister lives in Mecklenburg and while I love her dearly, she's dumbly anti-gun. And so is my mother. She's got her reason's being an ex-cop so, I'm not gonna fight her.
Where I live a lot of us honestly hunt because if we don't thin the herd, they would die, from getting hit by a car or otherwise starve to death. And I personally feel getting shot in the heart is a much cleaner death.
gregor_xenos wrote: Lol. If I wanted to hunt for population control, it would be with my truck doing 60 at 3 in the morning. ( that's when most get killed)
Gun control? Ha! Our season got extended last year. By a liberal politician. Accepting donations from insurance lobbyist. (They pay ALOT in claims in our state.) Are deer overpopulated in my area? Statistics say yes. The farmer who's land I hunt says he sees a few a month before the rut, so he thinks I'm keeping my area thin enough.
Yeah, I can second that (also live in NC). Don't even bother trying to plant anything outside (unless you surround it with electrified razor wire fences) because the swarm of deer will eat it long before you get to see any pretty flowers. The only problem with deer hunting here is that there isn't enough of it. I'd be perfectly happy with people just shooting them for the fun of it, as long as they dispose of the corpses.
DutchKillsRambo wrote: Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?
I'd ask where your from if so.
If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.
The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.
I'm originally from Western New York, now I live in Albany. Gateway to both the Adirondacks and the Catskills. And yes I grew up in great area to hunt. If you were a hunter.
DutchKillsRambo wrote: Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?
I'd ask where your from if so.
If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.
Lol. If I wanted to hunt for population control, it would be with my truck doing 60 at 3 in the morning. ( that's when most get killed)
Gun control? Ha! Our season got extended last year. By a liberal politician. Accepting donations from insurance lobbyist. (They pay ALOT in claims in our state.) Are deer overpopulated in my area? Statistics say yes. The farmer who's land I hunt says he sees a few a month before the rut, so he thinks I'm keeping my area thin enough.
It's true. If we just did it for population control, there are much more efficient ways to do it. We hunt for fun. Thrill of the kill and it's only natural. Also the reason most people care about population control is because we want to keep the deer alive to hunt them.
Myself, it's been a long sense I went hunting. It's for the best though, I hate deer meat.
DutchKillsRambo wrote: Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?
I'd ask where your from if so.
If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.
The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.
I'm originally from Western New York, now I live in Albany. Gateway to both the Adirondacks and the Catskills. And yes I grew up in great area to hunt. If you were a hunter.
I grew up in Northern Maine, by the Canadian border (New Brunswick), a nd it's another great area for hunting and fishing. I know the area you're talking about and it's pretty gorgeous there. I've descibed it to some people out here and they find it har d to believe since they envision New York and Pennsylvania as just a big collection of cities.
DutchKillsRambo wrote: Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?
I'd ask where your from if so.
If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.
The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.
And not to feed into these anti-hunting thought-lines but I have ALWAYS wanted to hunt moose. My uncle is a professor for UNH but he's a (deleted) and I love my cousin but lets just say he's the definition of (deleted). It always make make me sad thinking about how the forest used to be. I would love to be able to hunt a moose but sadly we've relegated to them to being almost extinct.
It is a shame moose are so rare nowdays.
The fortunate thing is we have figured out how to save wildlife and properly manage them so Moose won't be going extinct, but it will probably be a very long time before we can hunt them like other Deer in the lower 48.
Hey, at least Bison have come back to the point where we can farm them for meat
Samus_aran115 wrote: Nope. I don't like killing things. I blew apart a rabbit with a .30-06 when I was a kid, and I was instantly overcome with grief and melancholy. I won't kill needlessly, if I can avoid it. Of course, that doesn't apply to Hadji or other enemies of state
So you overkilled an animal with a round meant for a sniper and think that hunting is killing needlessly?
Why do you think you "blew apart a rabbit"? possibly because you didn't know how to hunt?
Mmm, it was on a family trip, and my uncle just handed me a rifle and told me to shoot at one of the many rabbits that were running around. I was like 11. Take it easy bro, no one's pissing in your corn flakes here.
I love hunting, I've hunted creatures great and small. I prefer things with wings. They taste better and they pose more of a challenge than the hoof-ed things.
I haven't been since I started college. I'm thinking about popping yotes.
DutchKillsRambo wrote: Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?
I'd ask where your from if so.
If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.
The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.
And not to feed into these anti-hunting thought-lines but I have ALWAYS wanted to hunt moose. My uncle is a professor for UNH but he's a (deleted) and I love my cousin but lets just say he's the definition of (deleted). It always make make me sad thinking about how the forest used to be. I would love to be able to hunt a moose but sadly we've relegated to them to being almost extinct.
You practicaly trip over the buggers where my family is at in Maine. Lots of swamps and whatnot for them to live in up there. What's really fun is to be canoeing a river up there and come around a bend smack into one.
It is a shame moose are so rare nowdays.
The fortunate thing is we have figured out how to save wildlife and properly manage them so Moose won't be going extinct, but it will probably be a very long time before we can hunt them like other Deer in the lower 48.
Hey, at least Bison have come back to the point where we can farm them for meat
DutchKillsRambo wrote: Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?
I'd ask where your from if so.
If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.
The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.
I'm originally from Western New York, now I live in Albany. Gateway to both the Adirondacks and the Catskills. And yes I grew up in great area to hunt. If you were a hunter.
I grew up in Northern Maine, by the Canadian border (New Brunswick), a nd it's another great area for hunting and fishing. I know the area you're talking about and it's pretty gorgeous there. I've descibed it to some people out here and they find it har d to believe since they envision New York and Pennsylvania as just a big collection of cities.
You know what I love about America? This. We probably disagree about every social issue we can think of. But what we can agree about? This. This is the best damn land in the world. Honestly. I know my viewpoints are completely different than yours. And you know yours are different than mine. But no matter what we can have a normal conversation, we have dissimilar values, and you no matter. We believe in America. This honestly does my spirit good.
DutchKillsRambo wrote: Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?
I'd ask where your from if so.
If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.
The deer herds in Maine exploded when farming came into the area. It wasn't unusual to see Moose on the farm I grew up on, either, with them coming right out into the middle of people in the fields and just standing and staring around.
Just out of curiousity, where do you live since it seems like you're in a pretty good place for hunting.
And not to feed into these anti-hunting thought-lines but I have ALWAYS wanted to hunt moose. My uncle is a professor for UNH but he's a (deleted) and I love my cousin but lets just say he's the definition of (deleted). It always make make me sad thinking about how the forest used to be. I would love to be able to hunt a moose but sadly we've relegated to them to being almost extinct.
I can see if anyone I know is going on a hunt and maybe get you in on it next time they're out if you're interested.
I do not hunt. I couldn't bring myself to kill a deer, or any other animal, unless it was trying to do the same to me. I've been vegetarian for a while now, and even before I was, I bought my meat from local farmers who ensured the animal was treated well. I've even seen a few of the chickens that I later ate slaughtered in front of me, as well as having worked on a family member's farm and interacted with animals who were later slaughtered. I have no beef with those who choose to hunt, or eat meat; it's just not for me. Trophy hunting, however, really gets my goat. That I do have a problem with.
rubiksnoob wrote: I do not hunt. I couldn't bring myself to kill a deer, or any other animal, unless it was trying to do the same to me. I've been vegetarian for a while now, and even before I was, I bought my meat from local farmers who ensured the animal was treated well. I've even seen a few of the chickens that I later ate slaughtered in front of me, as well as having worked on a family member's farm and interacted with animals who were later slaughtered. I have no beef with those who choose to hunt, or eat meat; it's just not for me. Trophy hunting, however, really gets my goat. That I do have a problem with.
And your opinion I respect with more than I can express in Dakka. Very eloquently put in a very cognizant way. But you're not who I was trying to make think. I respect the vegetarian lifestyle. My mom was since my age 13, and she still is. Im not. I just think people that eat meat should AT LEAST once in while look at their meat in the face. We in the western culture eat WAY to much meat. And we should except that. And that means watching an animal die. Any other viewpoint is disingenuous. We eat animals. If you eat animals you should be able to deal with them dying.
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Hey this is why I was saying it's honor to get to hunt one!
rubiksnoob wrote: I do not hunt. I couldn't bring myself to kill a deer, or any other animal, unless it was trying to do the same to me. I've been vegetarian for a while now, and even before I was, I bought my meat from local farmers who ensured the animal was treated well. I've even seen a few of the chickens that I later ate slaughtered in front of me, as well as having worked on a family member's farm and interacted with animals who were later slaughtered. I have no beef with those who choose to hunt, or eat meat; it's just not for me. Trophy hunting, however, really gets my goat. That I do have a problem with.
"I'm a vegetarian", "I have no beef". I saw what you did there
AustonT wrote: I love hunting, I've hunted creatures great and small. I prefer things with wings. They taste better and they pose more of a challenge than the hoof-ed things.
I haven't been since I started college. I'm thinking about popping yotes.
Do it, especially if you start calling, it can be quite challenging. I like .243 but hell, any round in that range will do you fine, if you're a dead eye you can probably do one of those souped up .22lrs and be fine
In other news, I like light anti-tank rifles for tank... err moose hunting. Those things are fecking dangerous.
AustonT wrote: I love hunting, I've hunted creatures great and small. I prefer things with wings. They taste better and they pose more of a challenge than the hoof-ed things.
I haven't been since I started college. I'm thinking about popping yotes.
Do it, especially if you start calling, it can be quite challenging. I like .243 but hell, any round in that range will do you fine, if you're a dead eye you can probably do one of those souped up .22lrs and be fine
In other news, I like light anti-tank rifles for tank... err moose hunting. Those things are fecking dangerous.
You shoot turkeys with a .243? Not even mad just jealous. Granted its only 2 shots but I missed both Fall turkey hunting. And that was Full Choke!. Those fethers are resilient. Im not even convinced after a magnum load to the face. Their too tricky.
AegisGrimm wrote: I don't feel the need to hunt simply because I don't need the meat for my table, which I see as the only reason to do so. If I want to do something 'for sport', it'll involve a ball, or being part of a team.
If the time ever comes that I need to drop a deer or some rabbits to feed my family, then things will be very different, and I won't hesitate. I won't see any honor in it though, because I don't see any glory to be had in proving myself smarter than a friggin' deer. For me, it would be a task, just like cutting firewood to burn.
And if it wasn't for laws(or in a time where the laws didn't matter), if i was simply in need of the meat, I would sure as hell bait that deer in, and then pop it from a tree blind with a single .22 to the forehead.
Dont take this the wrong way but I can tell from your post you've never hunted let alone deer.
Its not just about putting meat on your plate. Its about bringing the natural order of things back to where they used to be. Its about realizing that when you eat meat an animal died. If its beef chicken veal or pork they died in a much more horrible way then a deer in the forest.
Do you feel honor bringing home ground beef from the supermarket?
Its this type of sentiment that scares me. We'll eat meat till were fat when its shipped in from TX, but to kill your own? Oh thats barbaric.
And Im not trying to single you out Aegis. Im really trying to see another American on this board give me a legitimate reason if they're not vegetarian (which I respect fully) why they have something against hunting. You eat meat? You should see where it comes from.
I just gave you a fully realized reason, and you are effectively calling me a tree-hugging derp. I plainly said that I think that hunting "purely" for sport is gak. Hunting for food is not, it's just a natural process. If I'm gonna hunt anything, it's not for the rush of "reestablishing my place as an apex predator"- it's simply because eating is better than starving. I will be truly sorry for anything I have to kill because they deserved to live as much as me, but I refuse to be proud that I tricked a buck into my sights with corn, doe scent, advanced weapon technology, and a tree stand.
Hunting isn't barbaric, but lets not glorify what killing something else makes a person. A person hunting a deer is not serving any other purpose than a wolf taking out a rabbit. It's supposed to be just to fill your belly.
You wanna be an apex predator with real skill? Get a spear and head to the southern US and go for boar.
rubiksnoob wrote: I do not hunt. I couldn't bring myself to kill a deer, or any other animal, unless it was trying to do the same to me. I've been vegetarian for a while now, and even before I was, I bought my meat from local farmers who ensured the animal was treated well. I've even seen a few of the chickens that I later ate slaughtered in front of me, as well as having worked on a family member's farm and interacted with animals who were later slaughtered. I have no beef with those who choose to hunt, or eat meat; it's just not for me. Trophy hunting, however, really gets my goat. That I do have a problem with.
"I'm a vegetarian", "I have no beef". I saw what you did there
Yes, I'd say it was wrong to kill it for no reason, in retrospect, even if it was just a little wabbit.
People who kill for meat are just fitting into their natural niche as Top Predator, and I think that's fine. There's all kinds of uses for deer, or boar, and other things like that besides the meat too.
AegisGrimm wrote: I don't feel the need to hunt simply because I don't need the meat for my table, which I see as the only reason to do so. If I want to do something 'for sport', it'll involve a ball, or being part of a team.
If the time ever comes that I need to drop a deer or some rabbits to feed my family, then things will be very different, and I won't hesitate. I won't see any honor in it though, because I don't see any glory to be had in proving myself smarter than a friggin' deer. For me, it would be a task, just like cutting firewood to burn.
And if it wasn't for laws(or in a time where the laws didn't matter), if i was simply in need of the meat, I would sure as hell bait that deer in, and then pop it from a tree blind with a single .22 to the forehead.
Dont take this the wrong way but I can tell from your post you've never hunted let alone deer.
Its not just about putting meat on your plate. Its about bringing the natural order of things back to where they used to be. Its about realizing that when you eat meat an animal died. If its beef chicken veal or pork they died in a much more horrible way then a deer in the forest.
Do you feel honor bringing home ground beef from the supermarket?
Its this type of sentiment that scares me. We'll eat meat till were fat when its shipped in from TX, but to kill your own? Oh thats barbaric.
And Im not trying to single you out Aegis. Im really trying to see another American on this board give me a legitimate reason if they're not vegetarian (which I respect fully) why they have something against hunting. You eat meat? You should see where it comes from.
I just gave you a fully realized reason, and you are effectively calling me a tree-hugging derp. I plainly said that I think that hunting "purely" for sport is gak. Hunting for food is not, it's just a natural process. If I'm gonna hunt anything, it's not for the rush of "reestablishing my place as an apex predator"- it's simply because eating is better than starving. I will be truly sorry for anything I have to kill because they deserved to live as much as me, but I refuse to be proud that I tricked a buck into my sights with corn, doe scent, advanced weapon technology, and a tree stand.
Hunting isn't barbaric, but lets not glorify what killing something else makes a person. A person hunting a deer is not serving any other purpose than a wolf taking out a rabbit. It's supposed to be just to fill your belly.
You wanna be an apex predator with real skill? Get a spear and head to the southern US and go for boar.
And I'll ask you again as I don't think I was singling you out. But do you eat meat? Is all the meat you eat from local sources? I'll answer for you. It's not. If you would have read my posts I said multiple times that hunting an animal purely for its trophy is something I don't believe in.
But go ahead with with your faux victim mentality. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see that I did that there. I was only trying to get the average meat eater to think about where their meat comes from. I am a tree hugging derp. I've worked on the PCT, the AT, and the new trail were trying to get through Maine. But your right Im not vegetarian.
Also like 8 posts up I said how I want to take on a hog with nothing besides a knife. But go ahead. Tell me how I'm wrong.
But I'm gonna ask you what Volunteering for trails that you've done.
And hotsauceman thats my whole point. And this is just my opinion but when you actually have to take the animal your gonna eat it really does alter your view. In a good way. Animals are animals not commodities. Thats why I think more people should hunt. Its part of the reason I have such a problem with PETA.
But I'll throw up an example I know well. White-Tail Deer in the NorthEast. They are in record numbers that could never have survived in the natural world. WE have artificially increased their numbers to point where a large number either get shot by hunters or starve to death. You tell me what you think is more humane.
I'm not questioning the humanity(I'm not sure I'm using the correct phrase here), I'm just saying I do not like it. When monks would do the slaughtering of farm animals they would have to change it periodically because it is considered such demoralizing work. You should Read "Omnivores Dillemma" by Micheal Pollan. He gives some great insight into people who have never hunted before who are thrust into hunting and when he works in a slaughter house, he basically says that even if you rationalize the slaughter of an animal, the point is the animal is dead.
But it may be that my view of hunting has been soured, Most hunters i knew growing up where my bullies in boy scouts. And many times it was for no other reason for killing an animal. I remember one boy complaining that his uncle made him eat a squarill he killed because his uncle believed in eating everything you kill(except rats), and he didn't like that because he just just wanted to kill the animal.
And I'll ask you again as I don't think I was singling you out. But do you eat meat? Is all the meat you eat from local sources? I'll answer for you. It's not. If you would have read my posts I said multiple times that hunting an animal purely for its trophy is something I don't believe in.
But go ahead with with your faux victim mentality. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see that I did that there. I was only trying to get the average meat eater to think about where their meat comes from. I am a tree hugging derp. I've worked on the PCT, the AT, and the new trail were trying to get through Maine. But your right Im not vegetarian.
Also like 8 posts up I said how I want to take on a hog with nothing besides a knife. But go ahead. Tell me how I'm wrong.
But I'm gonna ask you what Volunteering for trails that you've done.
I would wonder why you don't think that solely quoting me and then mentioning me by name isn't singling me out.
If you agree with me, then why the heck did you post directly at me then? Make it a general post about you thoughts.
Trust me, I'm farmer. I know the exact process a cow takes through the slaughter house, and yes, I eat animals right off my own farm. Sheep made into sausage is damn good.
If i had a way to better process the meat myself, I would much rather drop each animal with a quick shot to the head rather than what they go through at a slaughter house. It's much more humane that way, and makes me responsible for a death that I am directly benefiting from.
There are some animals where just killing it for the sake of killing isn't wasteful, such as exploding Deer and Hog populations. Their numbers are reaching a problematic size to where its an ecological disaster.
That said, you should donate any meat to charity if you don't want to eat it.
Hunting is an excellent recreational sport. it takes great skill to track down and stalk an animal. If you don't want to eat the meat you can give it to a local homeless shelter or something. So everyone's happy
And hotsauceman thats my whole point. And this is just my opinion but when you actually have to take the animal your gonna eat it really does alter your view. In a good way. Animals are animals not commodities. Thats why I think more people should hunt. Its part of the reason I have such a problem with PETA.
But I'll throw up an example I know well. White-Tail Deer in the NorthEast. They are in record numbers that could never have survived in the natural world. WE have artificially increased their numbers to point where a large number either get shot by hunters or starve to death. You tell me what you think is more humane.
I'm not questioning the humanity(I'm not sure I'm using the correct phrase here), I'm just saying I do not like it. When monks would do the slaughtering of farm animals they would have to change it periodically because it is considered such demoralizing work. You should Read "Omnivores Dillemma" by Micheal Pollan. He gives some great insight into people who have never hunted before who are thrust into hunting and when he works in a slaughter house, he basically says that even if you rationalize the slaughter of an animal, the point is the animal is dead.
But it may be that my view of hunting has been soured, Most hunters i knew growing up where my bullies in boy scouts. And many times it was for no other reason for killing an animal. I remember one boy complaining that his uncle made him eat a squarill he killed because his uncle believed in eating everything you kill(except rats), and he didn't like that because he just just wanted to kill the animal.
No offense Hotsauceman1 but Im waiting for you to explain why its better for you to eat processed meat killed by someone else? And Im being honest you've had the same views for me on a lot of stuff for a long time I agree with you.
But please explain to me how pumping a chicken full of hormones while its stuck in a cage or chaining a baby cow so it cant move is better?
Or less offensively.
Ground Beef. I've said throught this whole online argument that I can respect an fully understand a vegetarian's viewpoint on this. To them its abhorrent. And rightly so. But so far there hasn't been any vegetarians arguing.
Just people saying its wrong to kill an animal. Right after they post on threads about how Chick Fil A is tasty. Or literallt anything on Cannerus' thread about junk food.
(I hope you've all noticed that he hasn't said a word)
So please again. Tell me how taking a deer from the forest is somehow worse than taking hormone stuffed chicken or cow living in a pen?
I had a Japanese roomate that grew up in Kobe who told me he was into his early teens before he realized that the meat he got from the store in packages came from animals.
I wonder how many people growing up in cities don't associate packaged meat with animals until that age.
And I'll ask you again as I don't think I was singling you out. But do you eat meat? Is all the meat you eat from local sources? I'll answer for you. It's not. If you would have read my posts I said multiple times that hunting an animal purely for its trophy is something I don't believe in.
But go ahead with with your faux victim mentality. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see that I did that there. I was only trying to get the average meat eater to think about where their meat comes from. I am a tree hugging derp. I've worked on the PCT, the AT, and the new trail were trying to get through Maine. But your right Im not vegetarian.
Also like 8 posts up I said how I want to take on a hog with nothing besides a knife. But go ahead. Tell me how I'm wrong.
But I'm gonna ask you what Volunteering for trails that you've done.
I would wonder why you don't think that solely quoting me and then mentioning me by name isn't singling me out.
If you agree with me, then why the heck did you post directly at me then? Make it a general post about you thoughts.
Trust me, I'm farmer. I know the exact process a cow takes through the slaughter house, and yes, I eat animals right off my own farm. Sheep made into sausage is damn good.
If i had a way to better process the meat myself, I would much rather drop each animal with a quick shot to the head rather than what they go through at a slaughter house. It's much more humane that way, and makes me responsible for a death that I am directly benefiting from.
I also dont get how me explicitly saying a post is towards someone else is somehow about you.
Maybe I did, but from what I read I was quoting hotsauceman1 and responding to him.. Sorry if you took that against you. Honestly. From what I see I was asking him if he had ever worked on trails. Sorry if I somehow got you involved. Was neither my intet or my idea, kinda looks like you made that. Sorry again if I did that wasnt my intention.
Though I am glad you answered none of my questions.l
To underscore Dutch's remarks earlier, if you've ever been in the woods and find a deer in the process of dying or that has starved to death, you'll most likely finding yourself tjinking a cull is a good thing.
That is besides the fact that most of the hunting fees collected go towards improving the animal's habitat.
So please again. Tell me how taking a deer from the forest is somehow worse than taking hormone stuffed chicken or cow living in a pen?
I am not arguing that is it different, i am just saying that I cannot bring myself to kill another animal. Im not insulting hunters or anything, im just saying i can never do it. And yes, i know im hypocritical in this terms, I wish i can go vegetarian, but quite frankly, going vegetarian is hard, it requires alot of preparing of meals that i just cannot do.
So please again. Tell me how taking a deer from the forest is somehow worse than taking hormone stuffed chicken or cow living in a pen?
I am not arguing that is it different, i am just saying that I cannot bring myself to kill another animal. Im not insulting hunters or anything, im just saying i can never do it.
And yes, i know im hypocritical in this terms, I wish i can go vegetarian, but quite frankly, going vegetarian is hard, it requires alot of preparing of meals that i just cannot do.
And all I'm saying is YOU CAN
Every time you eat meat that you dont know where it came from? Yeah your supporting the murder of animals. Literally hundreds if you eat processed meat.
So please again. Tell me how taking a deer from the forest is somehow worse than taking hormone stuffed chicken or cow living in a pen?
I am not arguing that is it different, i am just saying that I cannot bring myself to kill another animal. Im not insulting hunters or anything, im just saying i can never do it.
And yes, i know im hypocritical in this terms, I wish i can go vegetarian, but quite frankly, going vegetarian is hard, it requires alot of preparing of meals that i just cannot do.
I can understand your feelings, since buying a pound of hamburger at the store can be easier than what can be emotionally traumatizing for some people when it comes to the actual killing and cleaning of an animal.
I can tell you, though from experience working on pig and cattle farms that deer have the better end of things.
Im saying i cant, I really can not, Yes i know where meat come from, yes i have read how slaughter house kill animal( I have had like, 3 classes on it). You may be able to kill an animal in person, But i cannot, it is just something that, While I know I facilitate I cannot do.
AustonT wrote: I love hunting, I've hunted creatures great and small. I prefer things with wings. They taste better and they pose more of a challenge than the hoof-ed things.
I haven't been since I started college. I'm thinking about popping yotes.
Do it, especially if you start calling, it can be quite challenging. I like .243 but hell, any round in that range will do you fine, if you're a dead eye you can probably do one of those souped up .22lrs and be fine
In other news, I like light anti-tank rifles for tank... err moose hunting. Those things are fecking dangerous.
You shoot turkeys with a .243? Not even mad just jealous. Granted its only 2 shots but I missed both Fall turkey hunting. And that was Full Choke!. Those fethers are resilient. Im not even convinced after a magnum load to the face. Their too tricky.
I've taken turkey with a 22, Im about 90% sure it was illegal too, but my Grand told me to and I did.
Most of the reason people have so much trouble with gobblers is aim. Even wit an extra full choke a big Tom can shrug off a body shot. It has to be the head.
@KM I have a 223 rig. It's nearly identical to my 308 rig cept for the drop calc...which is balls past 300m and an wind at all turns it into a curveball launcher. I'm still procrastinating sending them in to add the DBMs I have.
I love animals. I could give you bs about how I've worked more for them.
I wont. They are animals. We are animals. All we can do i make the best of where we are. I love humanity. It can die or flourish I have no control. Love life or feth it.. You decide.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Im saying i cant, I really can not, Yes i know where meat come from, yes i have read how slaughter house kill animal( I have had like, 3 classes on it). You may be able to kill an animal in person, But i cannot, it is just something that, While I know I facilitate I cannot do.
This is the only time I'll side with Frazzled.
Taking a class means jack gak.
You eat an animal you might as well be killing it.
AustonT wrote: I love hunting, I've hunted creatures great and small. I prefer things with wings. They taste better and they pose more of a challenge than the hoof-ed things.
I haven't been since I started college. I'm thinking about popping yotes.
Do it, especially if you start calling, it can be quite challenging. I like .243 but hell, any round in that range will do you fine, if you're a dead eye you can probably do one of those souped up .22lrs and be fine
In other news, I like light anti-tank rifles for tank... err moose hunting. Those things are fecking dangerous.
You shoot turkeys with a .243? Not even mad just jealous. Granted its only 2 shots but I missed both Fall turkey hunting. And that was Full Choke!. Those fethers are resilient. Im not even convinced after a magnum load to the face. Their too tricky.
I've taken turkey with a 22, Im about 90% sure it was illegal too, but my Grand told me to and I did.
Most of the reason people have so much trouble with gobblers is aim. Even wit an extra full choke a big Tom can shrug off a body shot. It has to be the head.
@KM I have a 223 rig. It's nearly identical to my 308 rig cept for the drop calc...which is balls past 300m and an wind at all turns it into a weq
curveball launcher. I'm still procrastinating sending them in to add the DBMs I have.
And your a damn amazing shot to hit a moving turkey in the head with a .22. Seriously my hat is off to you thats an amazing shot!
What i meant is i took at least 3 classes(maybe two) where we discussed how slaughterhouses operate, I used that as an example to show that a do know what is going on and how animals are killed.
In short you don't hunt, but you hire "assassins" to do it for you
Yep. Nice and civilised.
When my family's dog had terminal cancer, we engaged the services of a professional pet snuffer. We did not do it ourselves - running the risk of cocking it up and having an enraged zombie fox-terrier/dachshund on our kiesters. That little mad-rat-creature stayed dead.
In short you don't hunt, but you hire "assassins" to do it for you
Yep. Nice and civilised.
When my family's dog had terminal cancer, we engaged the services of a professional pet snuffer. We did not do it ourselves - running the risk of cocking it up and having an enraged zombie fox-terrier/dachshund on our kiesters. That little mad-rat-creature stayed dead.
Your little rant included some disparaging comments about grilling. I can't possibly trust you now.
I'm afraid I have to place you on ignore.
AustonT wrote: I love hunting, I've hunted creatures great and small. I prefer things with wings. They taste better and they pose more of a challenge than the hoof-ed things.
I haven't been since I started college. I'm thinking about popping yotes.
Do it, especially if you start calling, it can be quite challenging. I like .243 but hell, any round in that range will do you fine, if you're a dead eye you can probably do one of those souped up .22lrs and be fine
In other news, I like light anti-tank rifles for tank... err moose hunting. Those things are fecking dangerous.
You shoot turkeys with a .243? Not even mad just jealous. Granted its only 2 shots but I missed both Fall turkey hunting. And that was Full Choke!. Those fethers are resilient. Im not even convinced after a magnum load to the face. Their too tricky.
I was talking about Coyotes there, never been turkey hunting, Here in the west it's duck, geese and pheasant. If I was gonna hunt turkey with a centerfire rifled barrel ANYTHING it'd probably be a long barreled pistol, faster swing and follow up then a large rifle and I think that'd make the difference.
Any of the married hunters on here take their women folk with them?
I used to hunt with my dad years ago, but then he made some weird twist and hasnt shot a firearm since. But fast forward to now, yes, the Giant and I are actually planning on going small game hunting on his property next weekend. Not only another excuse to shoot my beloved .22 rifle, but I can get some tasty food made up after the fact
Then next year, the wife and I are getting into archery, so once I get good enough shooting bow, Ill more then likely try my hand at hunting with bow as well
People arguing about the rightness of hunting wrote:Rabble rabble rabble.
The issue can be quite easily condensed to: Some people hunt, some people don't. There are legitimate reasons for both, but because of the subjective nature of the matter, neither is "ethically" better than the other. Also, we all agree that trophy hunting is wrong, no bones about it.
DutchKillsRambo wrote: So after so so many pro and anti gun threads I though I'd see how many here actually use their guns for a tasty reason.
I personally hunt. Both small and large game. I also think that anyone that eats meat should at least once in their life do the same. When you actually are the one to take an animals life and then clean and butcher it, it really does change you.
And not in a bad way I might add. I personally think too many people are divorced from what they eat. Meat means killing another living being. This isn't wrong. But its so much easier to pick up a package in the store than actually deal with the situation.
Anyways:
Deer: .308 single-shot rifle, and my baby, my grandfathers Ithaca '37 Deerslayer
Rabbit/Squirrel: 20 guage break action/ .410 guage sometimes for squirrel
Turkey: Full gauge choke Mossberg 500
Anybody else here use their guns for something besides target/ people?
(not trying to start a fight AT ALL but that is what concealed carry/ home defense is for)
I don't hunt. I used to stalk deer and birds with a camera, but that was decades ago.
I used to fish a lot though.
My Boy has been deer hunting on several occasions.
Having said all that, I will stalk the squirrel that vexes us. One day we will get you squirrel. You'll be a little too slow and then its BAM! The last image you will see is Rodney teeth in your face! muahahaha!
hotsauceman1 wrote: I though for sure you would hunt frazzled.
I mean, isnt it that you arent legally a man in texas until you kill a deer?
I didn't say I haven't killed stuff. I said I don't hunt.
Thats not accurate either. I can hunt Swiss Cake Rolls or a nice cabernet like no one's business.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I though for sure you would hunt frazzled.
I mean, isnt it that you arent legally a man in texas until you kill a deer?
I didn't say I haven't killed stuff. I said I don't hunt.
Thats not accurate either. I can hunt Swiss Cake Rolls or a nice cabernet like no one's business.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I though for sure you would hunt frazzled.
I mean, isnt it that you arent legally a man in texas until you kill a deer?
I didn't say I haven't killed stuff. I said I don't hunt.
Thats not accurate either. I can hunt Swiss Cake Rolls or a nice cabernet like no one's business.
Lush
Hey if downing a bottle of dark rum is wrong, then I don't want to be right!
People arguing about the rightness of hunting wrote:Rabble rabble rabble.
The issue can be quite easily condensed to: Some people hunt, some people don't. There are legitimate reasons for both, but because of the subjective nature of the matter, neither is "ethically" better than the other. Also, I think we shouldall agree that trophy hunting is wrong, no bones about it.
Fixed that for ya. I love trophy hunting. I really just like killing so I'm only patient enough to wait for the big one for half the season.
Does fishing count? It's quite a few leagues from shooting big game, but it's still hunting...
I think you really do appreciate the meal more if you've caught, killed and gutted it yourself, instead of picked it up in the supermarket. And it often tastes better. A friend of mine (a Norwegian) hunts elk, and that meat tasted absolutely fantastic! I've never eaten any meat better than this elk....
Its definitly different. Wild meat tends to be very lean and dense. Its nice, although it can be a bit dry. Depends on the animals exact circumstances of course. A bear could have abit of fat for example.
I don't hunt, mainly because it's anoyingly hard to due to regulations over here and partly because I find it horrendous.
Hunting to me is taking a gun, going tracking, murdering your prey then taking it home and gutting it/ skinning it and eating it. Fair enough, humans need food and this is the traditional way it's been done for 1000's of years.
Now Talking to an American, this was his version of hunting:
Climb to observation post in tree.Cover observation post and himself in camo/neutrall smell Sit there and blast the living Gak out of anything that came within range. Take home stuff/mount. This is NOT hunting, this is just pointless murder, if you are going to murder something at least take it home to eat/make clothes out of it/sell it instead of just having an ornament, I can understand trophies but a whole animal? what a waste.
I havn't hunted but I have snapped the necks of chickens and turkeys, prepped them for eating, so i'm no stranger to where my food comes from, but it'd be a waste to kill the chicken and then stuff it 'because it looked pretty'
necrovamp wrote: I don't hunt, mainly because it's anoyingly hard to due to regulations over here and partly because I find it horrendous.
Hunting to me is taking a gun, going tracking, murdering your prey then taking it home and gutting it/ skinning it and eating it. Fair enough, humans need food and this is the traditional way it's been done for 1000's of years.
Now Talking to an American, this was his version of hunting:
Climb to observation post in tree.Cover observation post and himself in camo/neutrall smell Sit there and blast the living Gak out of anything that came within range. Take home stuff/mount. This is NOT hunting, this is just pointless murder, if you are going to murder something at least take it home to eat/make clothes out of it/sell it instead of just having an ornament, I can understand trophies but a whole animal? what a waste.
I havn't hunted but I have snapped the necks of chickens and turkeys, prepped them for eating, so i'm no stranger to where my food comes from, but it'd be a waste to kill the chicken and then stuff it 'because it looked pretty'
I'd wager very few trophy hunters waste the meat.
It may not be their primary objective, but it highly doubt anything but the smallest amount of hunters actually just toss the meat.
necrovamp wrote: I don't hunt, mainly because it's anoyingly hard to due to regulations over here and partly because I find it horrendous.
Hunting to me is taking a gun, going tracking, murdering your prey then taking it home and gutting it/ skinning it and eating it. Fair enough, humans need food and this is the traditional way it's been done for 1000's of years.
Now Talking to an American, this was his version of hunting:
Climb to observation post in tree.Cover observation post and himself in camo/neutrall smell Sit there and blast the living Gak out of anything that came within range. Take home stuff/mount. This is NOT hunting, this is just pointless murder, if you are going to murder something at least take it home to eat/make clothes out of it/sell it instead of just having an ornament, I can understand trophies but a whole animal? what a waste.
I havn't hunted but I have snapped the necks of chickens and turkeys, prepped them for eating, so i'm no stranger to where my food comes from, but it'd be a waste to kill the chicken and then stuff it 'because it looked pretty'
I'd wager very few trophy hunters waste the meat.
It may not be their primary objective, but it highly doubt anything but the smallest amount of hunters actually just toss the meat.
Don't even bother. That post is so full of gak it's staggering.
necrovamp wrote: I don't hunt, mainly because it's anoyingly hard to due to regulations over here and partly because I find it horrendous.
Hunting to me is taking a gun, going tracking, murdering your prey then taking it home and gutting it/ skinning it and eating it. Fair enough, humans need food and this is the traditional way it's been done for 1000's of years.
Now Talking to an American, this was his version of hunting:
Climb to observation post in tree.Cover observation post and himself in camo/neutrall smell Sit there and blast the living Gak out of anything that came within range. Take home stuff/mount. This is NOT hunting, this is just pointless murder, if you are going to murder something at least take it home to eat/make clothes out of it/sell it instead of just having an ornament, I can understand trophies but a whole animal? what a waste.
I havn't hunted but I have snapped the necks of chickens and turkeys, prepped them for eating, so i'm no stranger to where my food comes from, but it'd be a waste to kill the chicken and then stuff it 'because it looked pretty'
I'd wager very few trophy hunters waste the meat.
It may not be their primary objective, but it highly doubt anything but the smallest amount of hunters actually just toss the meat.
Don't even bother. That post is so full of gak it's staggering.
My problem isnt with trophy hunters, it's with the 'sit there and blow gak to bits for fun' hunters i have aproblem with. My post may ahve come across a bit whiney, but that was my point.
Jihadin wrote: DAting military sites via the net. You be suprise of the quality of the ladies looking. After you ensure its not a terrorist
Have you seen some of those women? Dependopotamuses definitely count as a form of terrorism, it even fits the definition, inspiring fear, etc. The population is just limited to you and any one around your house.
necrovamp wrote: I don't hunt, mainly because it's anoyingly hard to due to regulations over here and partly because I find it horrendous.
Hunting to me is taking a gun, going tracking, murdering your prey then taking it home and gutting it/ skinning it and eating it. Fair enough, humans need food and this is the traditional way it's been done for 1000's of years.
Now Talking to an American, this was his version of hunting:
Climb to observation post in tree.Cover observation post and himself in camo/neutrall smell Sit there and blast the living Gak out of anything that came within range. Take home stuff/mount. This is NOT hunting, this is just pointless murder, if you are going to murder something at least take it home to eat/make clothes out of it/sell it instead of just having an ornament, I can understand trophies but a whole animal? what a waste.
I havn't hunted but I have snapped the necks of chickens and turkeys, prepped them for eating, so i'm no stranger to where my food comes from, but it'd be a waste to kill the chicken and then stuff it 'because it looked pretty'
I'd wager very few trophy hunters waste the meat.
It may not be their primary objective, but it highly doubt anything but the smallest amount of hunters actually just toss the meat.
Don't even bother. That post is so full of gak it's staggering.
My problem isnt with trophy hunters, it's with the 'sit there and blow gak to bits for fun' hunters i have aproblem with. My post may ahve come across a bit whiney, but that was my point.
Im talking about Tree stand hunting, putting bait around a tree then sitting in the tree. There is no 'honour' in that. And i've met enough people who do just hunt for fun, not for meat.
This video illustrates what I'm talking about, I just wish the bear had made it all the way up.
I'll give necrovamp the benefit of the doubt because he said one American he talked to. But I can assure you there's a lot more to hunting than sitting in a tree stand and blowing the gak out of an animal.
Though to be honest that is all it is to some folk. But thats really not an American thing, thats a human thing.
But the vast majority of hunters are more keenly aware of the environment than the average citizen and are conservationists first and foremost. Being environmentally conscious can take a lot more routes than slapping a support wind power bumper sticker on your car.
I didn't mean it to be an American thing, but as we dont hunt much over here i thought i better say it was an american, as an englishman wouldn't know much about american hunting.
I do understand that a lot of hunters are ok, and do it for a good reason. I'm just not a fan of the other kind.
Maybe i'm just overstating something that is in the minority.
We have idiots here too, people who thing it's 'fun' to hunt a fox by chasing it across countryside with hounds and then mauling it to death. I do not like these people also, thankfully the sports been banned here.
In short you don't hunt, but you hire "assassins" to do it for you
Yep. Nice and civilised.
When my family's dog had terminal cancer, we engaged the services of a professional pet snuffer. We did not do it ourselves - running the risk of cocking it up and having an enraged zombie fox-terrier/dachshund on our kiesters. That little mad-rat-creature stayed dead.
Your little rant included some disparaging comments about grilling. I can't possibly trust you now.
I'm afraid I have to place you on ignore.
Please do. It kinda negates any intended effect though by telling me. It's the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going all "I can't hear you, la la la la la" while I'm standing next to you.
I wasn't making disparaging comments about grilling. I was making disparaging comments about the type of males (here) who do it. If you other former colonials wish to take offence at this, then that's your prerogative and I really could not care less. I also make disparaging comments about dachshunds - but I don't see Frazz doing much about it.
I disparage stuff. I'm an Aussie. It's what we DO.
I don't hunt because it seems exhausting and I'm very lazy. I have no strong feelings about those who do.
I do love fishing, however. I don't actually eat seafood, so I either throw back everything I catch, or my wife eats it, depending on what (and where) I caught.
Grey Templar wrote: Its definitly different. Wild meat tends to be very lean and dense. Its nice, although it can be a bit dry. Depends on the animals exact circumstances of course. A bear could have abit of fat for example.
I had bear meat... ugh... not as good as you expect.
Me... I'm more of a fisherman.
I've fished in the mid-west (where I live), off the coast of California and in Alaska (Homer Bay and Whittier).
Both. Locally, I tend to try fish for catfish but have more luck with crappies and perch, maybe a bass once in a while. Again, it doesn't matter since this is in the Mississippi and it's so polluted it's strictly catch and release, my wife won't eat it.
When I go back home though, we sometimes get a boat or a party boat and fish off Long Island Sound. We tend to catch a lot of flounders, stripers, that kind of thing but my absolute favorite is bluefish. Great fight, great fun. Those we do keep and my brother grills them for the rest of the family.
I also absolutely love putting down crab traps for no reason I can cogently explain. My luck with this is more mixed.
Also, although I'm not interested in hunting (unless we're hunting cows or pigs) I think I can see the charms of hunting for fowl like Turkey. Unfortunately this is out as well. My wife's ex was a marine, and they were poor for many years; and most of what they ate was what he killed. As a result she has eaten pretty much everything (turtles, squirrels, etc), and she tells me wild turkey tastes gross compared with farm-raised. Is this true?
Wild Turkey has a very strong flavor compared to what you can buy in the store. Its still turkey though.
If you want something a little weaker you might try a heritage turkey. They are very flavorful but not overbearing like a wild one. Of course you will end up paying $7-$12 a pound depending on the source.
Wild Turkey breast is EXCELLENT!! The legs suck. They are very stringy and strong tasting. Alot of people go wrong and cook the entire bird (like a Thanksgiving turkey). Butcher out the breasts and feed the rest to the dogs and you cant go wrong.
I'm so jealous of the US when it comes to hunting. I don't agree with your gun laws, but we have gone too far. Owning a gun is far to expensive, unless its an air rifle.
When I move from a flat to a house I do hope to get an air rifle and get back to shooting rabbits. I don't think I'll ever be able to afford to own a shotgun or rifle, or go hunting.
As for bowhunting, I would love to, but not a chance in the UK. Completely illegal. That takes allot of skill. I just have to be happy doing field shoots.
Only been hunting once (last tuesday) and i loved it! Unfortunatly my grandfather and I did not get anything but we saw a 3 point mule deer Trying to see if grandpa is able to head out again next week, need to fill the freezer something fierce.
Using the family heirloom Winchester 30-30 (its about 80 years old and still fires like a dream)
Trying to see if grandpa is able to head out again next week, need to fill the freezer something fierce.