Squats being replaced by orangutans that know more about technology than the Adeptus Mechanicus. They're probably the biggest trolls of the 40k universe.
ENOZONE wrote: Squats being replaced by orangutans that know more about technology than the Adeptus Mechanicus. They're probably the biggest trolls of the 40k universe.
Squats still exist, and Jokaero have been around since 2nd ed, and maybe Rogue Trader.
ENOZONE wrote: Squats being replaced by orangutans that know more about technology than the Adeptus Mechanicus. They're probably the biggest trolls of the 40k universe.
Squats still exist, and Jokaero have been around since 2nd ed, and maybe Rogue Trader.
Psh, you could have a Jokaero army in Rogue Trader, and this is not even a joke. Their stats were horrible, though you could have an entire army filled with plasma guns because you took the component parts of your bolters and lasguns and the Jokaero would tinker with them.
I'm for one glad that they were brought back, although the method of their return is somewhat dubious.
Tyranids invade Craftworl Iyanden. There's a Hive Tyrant who's been smacking everyone around, so the Avatar calls it out for a challege... The Hive Tyrant calls in a full dozen Carnifex, who proceed to whipe the Avatar from existence. That's how Tyranid Challenges should be.
Rogue Trader days when reading up on crime and punishment in the Imperium. Many crimes carry the death penalty but for lighter offenses like littering or late library books you can get away with lifetime service in the Imperial Army.
A little story in the Imperial Guard Codex stating that because of a Munitorium stuff up, a whole Guard regiment was executed, but the entire division was already annihilated.
Commissar Yarrick and his nemesis also give me a good laugh. They remind me of a grim version of Tom And Jerry, Ghazgull being the Cat.
Chenkov gives me a few laughs as well as Nork Deddog.
Ork background is just awesome. Some of my favorite bitz include the operation of the Shokk Attack Gun, the fact that Stormboyz are Orks who rebel against their elders by drilling, practicing formations, and having uniforms, and the part where Wazdakka crashed his bike into a Titan cockpit, killed the entire Titan crew, and emerged unscathed.
I am also amused by the more ludicrously grimdark aspects of the fluff, such as the case where the Death Korps kept shelling a city for four entire years after the last signs of life were extinguished, just to be thorough. Also anything to do with Commissars executing their men for no good reason whatsoever.
I'm also a fan of Nurgle, specifically because of the concept of "Nurgle loves you. He loves all creatures, and he loves them equally. Sadly, humans are outnumbered by bacteria trillions to one, so your needs are kind of a low priority."
-Draigo rampaging in the Warp and making swords from Bloodthrsters. -Jokaero not having language but having a ring that can be lascannon, melta and flamer in the same time. -Mephiston tearing trough entire Tyranid attack force and even killing Hive Tyranit - all with his hands. -Orks are by their nature -Space Wolves.... -They survived onslaught of tens of Thousands of Guardsmen and they were actually able to defeat them, all by themselves. -The fact that their fleet can tear Imperial Navy like they are nothing is even more hilarious. -They fought three SoB orders and push them back like they are nothing. -Emperor punching Russ with his fist and as a result rendering him unconscious him for days
I personally like the "blessing of the bomb" from the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer, as well as when the crazy guy in Xenobiology eats his pet kroot.
Ogryns, Nork in particullar (I fething want one)
Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer
Ciaphas Cain (especially with Jurgen)
Orks (just about everything about them)
and special mention of the possibility that Yarrick is near immortal because Orks believe so
"The Tau of Sept Aut're fall under attack from Tyranids. Necrons under the command of Immhotk arrive in orbit and annihilate the Tyranids. Overjoyed at their salvation, the Tau prepare a welcome ceremony for Immhotk and his retinue."
"The Tau of Sept Aut're fall under attack from Tyranids. Necrons under the command of Immhotk arrive in orbit and annihilate the Tyranids. Overjoyed at their salvation, the Tau prepare a welcome ceremony for Immhotk and his retinue."
Five Minutes Later
"The Eradication of Aut're begins"
Wow,are Tau that stupid?
And I' will add - IF teleprting into a wall
- Bjorn calling Logan young one and all the SW in the back pissing from laughter ( in the brink of civil war with the Inquisition )
"The Tau of Sept Aut're fall under attack from Tyranids. Necrons under the command of Immhotk arrive in orbit and annihilate the Tyranids. Overjoyed at their salvation, the Tau prepare a welcome ceremony for Immhotk and his retinue."
Five Minutes Later
"The Eradication of Aut're begins"
Wow,are Tau that stupid?
And I' will add - IF teleprting into a wall
- Bjorn calling Logan young one and all the SW in the back pissing from laughter ( in the brink of civil war with the Inquisition )
To be fair, I think that was supposed to be first contact between Tau and Necrons. They probably know better now.
Ooooo - this :
These Chapters can never be Ultramarines, for their gene-seed is not that of Robute Guilliman. Nevertheless, they will ever aspire to the standards and teachings of the great Primarch.
I think they just created the Space Orks for the laughs. Everything they say is hilarious, I think its awesome they're actually a race in 40k and they kick ass.
The shameless density of all SM plot armor.
I laugh at how graceful and skilled races like DE, who have practiced war for several lifetimes, are until they fight SMs. Then they become slow witted, clumsy, bad reflexes, bad piloting/driving ability, piss poor aiming ability. Devistating anti-vehicle weaponry vaporizes other races' infantry but is withstood by SMs through sheer force of will, etc,etc.
Archonate wrote: The shameless density of all SM plot armor.
I laugh at how graceful and skilled races like DE, who have practiced war for several lifetimes, are until they fight SMs. Then they become slow witted, clumsy, bad reflexes, bad piloting/driving ability, piss poor aiming ability. Devistating anti-vehicle weaponry vaporizes other races' infantry but is withstood by SMs through sheer force of will, etc,etc.
Y'know, i never actually noticed that! O__O that's hysterical! Brute force beats out grace and outmanouvering apparently
ENOZONE wrote: Squats being replaced by orangutans that know more about technology than the Adeptus Mechanicus. They're probably the biggest trolls of the 40k universe.
Squats still exist, and Jokaero have been around since 2nd ed, and maybe Rogue Trader.
Jokaero HAVE been around since the RT days.
They are specifically mentioned in the RT book's background part.
Still, I'd expect a semi-sentient orange furred monk --- OOK! to know more about tech than those rite-bound idealogues known as the mechanicum.
If we're counting fan content, then Angry Marines are up there.
Lucius the Eternal trolololing around the galaxy always puts a smile on my face too. I'd really love to see what would happen if Draigo Killed Lucius, though based on how Mr.Ward has written his fluff, I'm sure Draigo would just use his supreme will to destroy Lucius somehow.
DarthMarko wrote: Ooooo - this :
These Chapters can never be Ultramarines, for their gene-seed is not that of Robute Guilliman. Nevertheless, they will ever aspire to the standards and teachings of the great Primarch.
You know, I too didn't like this phrase and I still don't, but I have been thinking on it.
The codex was written a long long time ago, and although the Chapters have a lengthy and detail of their own history from this time, a lot of it fades into myth and legend. The Codex still there to this very day in 40k, always and readily available, fresh in the hands of the oldest and newest chapters. Even those of the first founding Legions that did not wish to accept the Codex have probably forgotten that this was the case and now accept the codex as the true way. They remember and venerate their Primarch for what they were but adopt Guilliman and his Codex for being the true Astartes way.
Or not, but I don't like the statement still, just a way to rationalize how it might work.
Orks always make me giggle, not so much now as they are less the comic relief, but they still bring a smile to my face.
The Galactic Partridges: Those guys never lose a batte, and always steal the glory.
Creed: The man hides baneblades in bushes
As paraphrased from the Tyranid Codex: Tau are saved by Necrons who wipe out a small hive fleet over their world. The Necrons land and are greeted by the Ethereal in celebration. Day 2: Necrons kill the Ethereal and begin to harvest the planet.
Angron always has something to say about any plan other than drop pod and go berserk. O Angrn y you so crzy?
Also Maxilla from Eisenhorn and Sholto Unwerth from Ravenor.
ENOZONE wrote: Squats being replaced by orangutans that know more about technology than the Adeptus Mechanicus. They're probably the biggest trolls of the 40k universe.
Squats still exist, and Jokaero have been around since 2nd ed, and maybe Rogue Trader.
Yeah, the Jokaero have always existed. And they never really inhabited the same space as the Squats in the fluff anyway. The removal of the Squats was entirely separate. And it bears mentioning that Jokaero were more or less gone from 40K for the same time frame. Though they never got banned from being mentioned, lol. But, that's also because there was never a true Jokaero army like there was with Squats.
The funny part of that scene from Monty Python is the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch exists twice in the fluff. The Black Templars have it as wargear in their codex, lol.
DarthMarko wrote: Ooooo - this :
These Chapters can never be Ultramarines, for their gene-seed is not that of Robute Guilliman. Nevertheless, they will ever aspire to the standards and teachings of the great Primarch.
That's gutwrenching , not laughable.
But back to the topic, GW's lack of scale on anything is hilarious.
Amberley Veil's footnotes in Ciaphas Cain, even though I disliked that a Greater daemon running away in abject terror and acting in a way of a Giant in WHFB really put me down about the novels.
I like how Imperial Fists are forced to be gourmets. Either you taste a human brain or else....
I also fancy how the Huns and Hells Angels crossbred to create the White Scars. Too bad Ghengis who was a really good ruler was warped into just being a simpleton tribal instead of what he really was, but nobody wanna know about a rapist feminist I guess.
The Space Wolves and Dark Angels are funny.
I also got a giggle out of how a lowly infantryman managed to save the life of a Living Saint (a creature just below the Primarches in power) from a pissed off tanker aiming a laspistol at her. Good luck spending your afternoon making 357 shots from him until she dies. (Gaunt's Gaunts).
It's also laughable how any novel with Space Marines as main chars basically follows the setup of a John Cena or Hulk Hogan-match. First to late part the hero struggles, then he completely curb-stomps the enemy. Superman-comics really must be read much amongst the writers of GW.
The part when Calgar beat an Avatar, a feat that half the primarchs wouldn't be able to do. Fulgrim would have died if he didn't bring the Laer sword with him. Calgar punches the Avatar in the chest and kills it. UM NO!
Frecklesonfire wrote: The part when Calgar beat an Avatar, a feat that half the primarchs wouldn't be able to do. Fulgrim would have died if he didn't bring the Laer sword with him. Calgar punches the Avatar in the chest and kills it. UM NO!
Wow an Ultramrine-fan doubting an Ultramarine-legend. Perhaps this is an Ultramarine-fan I could grow to respect (I'm assuming that due to your badge of honour here)
Of course most of the fans of the honored chapter are sane people, so you are more likely than not a sane fan. .)
DarthMarko wrote: Ooooo - this :
These Chapters can never be Ultramarines, for their gene-seed is not that of Robute Guilliman. Nevertheless, they will ever aspire to the standards and teachings of the great Primarch.
This is probably the most horrifically bad thing thats ever appeared in 40k fluff. Talk about taking a gak on the fanbase and established lore.
DarthMarko wrote: Ooooo - this : These Chapters can never be Ultramarines, for their gene-seed is not that of Robute Guilliman. Nevertheless, they will ever aspire to the standards and teachings of the great Primarch.
This is probably the most horrifically bad thing thats ever appeared in 40k fluff. Talk about taking a gak on the fanbase and established lore.
Hehe you speak the truth brother. One exalt heading your way
Frecklesonfire wrote: The part when Calgar beat an Avatar, a feat that half the primarchs wouldn't be able to do. Fulgrim would have died if he didn't bring the Laer sword with him. Calgar punches the Avatar in the chest and kills it. UM NO!
Wow an Ultramrine-fan doubting an Ultramarine-legend. Perhaps this is an Ultramarine-fan I could grow to respect (I'm assuming that due to your badge of honour here)
Of course most of the fans of the honored chapter are sane people, so you are more likely than not a sane fan. .)
The title (Unless you're a DCM) is based on post count rather than a person's personal preference...
Though you do get to choose the track.
Frecklesonfire wrote: The part when Calgar beat an Avatar, a feat that half the primarchs wouldn't be able to do. Fulgrim would have died if he didn't bring the Laer sword with him. Calgar punches the Avatar in the chest and kills it. UM NO!
Wow an Ultramrine-fan doubting an Ultramarine-legend. Perhaps this is an Ultramarine-fan I could grow to respect (I'm assuming that due to your badge of honour here)
Of course most of the fans of the honored chapter are sane people, so you are more likely than not a sane fan. .)
The title (Unless you're a DCM) is based on post count rather than a person's personal preference...
Though you do get to choose the track.
He choose the Ultramarine-specific SM ranking track.
Frecklesonfire wrote: The part when Calgar beat an Avatar, a feat that half the primarchs wouldn't be able to do. Fulgrim would have died if he didn't bring the Laer sword with him. Calgar punches the Avatar in the chest and kills it. UM NO!
Wow an Ultramrine-fan doubting an Ultramarine-legend. Perhaps this is an Ultramarine-fan I could grow to respect (I'm assuming that due to your badge of honour here)
Of course most of the fans of the honored chapter are sane people, so you are more likely than not a sane fan. .)
The title (Unless you're a DCM) is based on post count rather than a person's personal preference...
Though you do get to choose the track.
He choose the Ultramarine-specific SM ranking track.
I know Fallout-Guy I also love Fallout 2, it's a great game.
Archonate wrote: The shameless density of all SM plot armor.
I laugh at how graceful and skilled races like DE, who have practiced war for several lifetimes, are until they fight SMs. Then they become slow witted, clumsy, bad reflexes, bad piloting/driving ability, piss poor aiming ability. Devistating anti-vehicle weaponry vaporizes other races' infantry but is withstood by SMs through sheer force of will, etc,etc.
Y'know, i never actually noticed that! O__O that's hysterical! Brute force beats out grace and outmanouvering apparently
Well, realistically, Space Marines sped several lifetimes training too. They aren't just brute force. Brute force is Orks, or maybe even IGuard. And, again, realistically, Dark Eldar spend way too much time raping and lying around being all hedonistic and gluttonous. So they aren't exactly training constantly.
Honestly, by the way that power armor is described anyway, splinter weapons would be pretty much useless anyway. Even the "soft" armor of the joints would stop it.
Fulgrim beating the gak out of the Wraithlord and strangling a being that doesn't need to breath to death made me lol pretty hard. Golf-putting Ferrus Mannus' spine to pieces with a giant hammer was pretty lulz as well.
ADB's nihilism scenes in his books always make me laugh.
Archonate wrote: The shameless density of all SM plot armor.
I laugh at how graceful and skilled races like DE, who have practiced war for several lifetimes, are until they fight SMs. Then they become slow witted, clumsy, bad reflexes, bad piloting/driving ability, piss poor aiming ability. Devistating anti-vehicle weaponry vaporizes other races' infantry but is withstood by SMs through sheer force of will, etc,etc.
Y'know, i never actually noticed that! O__O that's hysterical! Brute force beats out grace and outmanouvering apparently
Well, realistically, Space Marines sped several lifetimes training too. They aren't just brute force. Brute force is Orks, or maybe even IGuard. And, again, realistically, Dark Eldar spend way too much time raping and lying around being all hedonistic and gluttonous. So they aren't exactly training constantly.
Honestly, by the way that power armor is described anyway, splinter weapons would be pretty much useless anyway. Even the "soft" armor of the joints would stop it.
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in the Dark Eldar codex (the Commoragh Raid) that Splinter Weapons were ineffective against the Astartes..
The fact that manufacturing basic optics to them even on a forge world is that hard. For example in Dark Heresy they have a special scope that is super ultra mega rare. Yet, we have a real world analog (ACOG) that is super easy to find, and relatively cheap. To the point where many US soldiers/civilians are paying out of pocket to get their own
Scorpions the size of battle tanks...men dying from something called Eye Rot. And trees that advance on you when you're not looking. Oh how that Catachan officer is describing a Deathworld much like Catachan always makes me chuckle.
Veteran Sergeant wrote: What about the Dark Angels? I think that one's the best just because it's kinda subtle. Lionel Johnson, haha. Poor angsty, gay Dark Angels.
Veteran Sergeant wrote: What about the Dark Angels? I think that one's the best just because it's kinda subtle. Lionel Johnson, haha. Poor angsty, gay Dark Angels.
I'm not sure I get that one.
Google Lionel Johnson and his poem "The Dark Angel" for further insight.
Dark Angels Primarch Lion El'Johnson. English poet Lionel Johnson who wrote angsty poetry about how he'd like to come out but didn't dare. There's parts of his poetry in the DA fluff too, from at least one of his more famous poems.
Dark Angels Primarch Lion El'Johnson. English poet Lionel Johnson who wrote angsty poetry about how he'd like to come out but didn't dare. There's parts of his poetry in the DA fluff too, from at least one of his more famous poems.
The poem most people would think of is more about the struggle between his sexuality and his religion rather than not having the balls to come out...
Thus Dark Angel.
Some of the primarch names really are rdiculous and the current line of BL/FW fiction having to deal with them with a straight face can be pretty funny.
Always thought it was odd how little bearing some of the names had on the nature of their legions - you have a dude called Horus, and yet the egypt-themed legion is led by Magnus, which you'd expect to be the name of the viking-themed legion, but etc
At the same time, some of them tie in a little too well. Corvus Corax? Russ is lucky he didn't end up called Canis Lupus
Oh, there was some Last Chancer fluff that always make me laugh....
So the majority of them are in for murder and insubordination. But "Grease Monkey" the Pilot? Stealing the Eldar Grav Tank of a visiting Eldar Emissary.
Always had this vision on a planetary governor and an Eldar Seer about to shake hands after a series of grueling meetings over some dispute, then a runaway grav transport comes up from over a hill and crashes into a tree. Was it really worth it, Pilot?
Blood Angels sucking blood - it sucks - and WHY THEY DO THAT? ...Black rage is Ok, sucking is not,,,,
Magnus attacking undefended fort and losing...
Bequa Kynska attempt to sex that dude ("Fulgrim")
A scene from a BL novel (Eye of Terror?). Dark Angels investigate chaos activity on a moon. When they pull up, the moon explodes and tons of dread claws attack the battle barge. In the battle, the DA hero comes across a World Eater champion just steam rolling through marines, so he cheap shots the guy in the head w/ his bolter butt.
The force of the blow turns the Berzerkers helmet sidways so he's looking through the earhole. The zerker rips off the helmet (they're in space now), and starts screaming at the DA hero shooting foam and everything, but its quiet, so the DA hero can't hear what the guy is yelling as his face starts freezing over (space does that). Anyway the zerker stiffens up so the DA guy kicks him off the battlebarge, right when a giant explosion propels his off into space. He becomes lost in space, floating for like 10k and floats into the eye of terror. Apparently space marines have solar power backup systems.
Im not making this up now... SPOILER: He wakes up in the eye of terror on a planet. One of the Fallen finds him, and tells him Horus won, this is what the universe is like now, and tries to corrupt him to chaos.
Phydox wrote: A scene from a BL novel (Eye of Terror?). Dark Angels investigate chaos activity on a moon. When they pull up, the moon explodes and tons of dread claws attack the battle barge. In the battle, the DA hero comes across a World Eater champion just steam rolling through marines, so he cheap shots the guy in the head w/ his bolter butt.
The force of the blow turns the Berzerkers helmet sidways so he's looking through the earhole. The zerker rips off the helmet (they're in space now), and starts screaming at the DA hero shooting foam and everything, but its quiet, so the DA hero can't hear what the guy is yelling as his face starts freezing over (space does that). Anyway the zerker stiffens up so the DA guy kicks him off the battlebarge, right when a giant explosion propels his off into space. He becomes lost in space, floating for like 10k and floats into the eye of terror. Apparently space marines have solar power backup systems.
Im not making this up now... SPOILER: He wakes up in the eye of terror on a planet. One of the Fallen finds him, and tells him Horus won, this is what the universe is like now, and tries to corrupt him to chaos.
I'm not an Ultramarine fanboy btw, i have to edit my profile it seems, i have a balanced opinion on the legions. chapters and primarchs as my one friend and dakka user loves Ultramarines and talks about them 24/7 haha.
so Mathew ward. Here comes the rant im so sorry (not!)
I really dislike how Warhammer: Horus Heresy, and the 40k setting are to be frank. I love it still but it really makes me fugging angry in the words of Bronzi.
In 30k the Ultramarines have high numbers because of the way Roboute guilliman has set up his sector of planets he is able to recruit many astartes quickly, he is efficient, organized, and is possibly and arguably one of the best strategists. Because of Horus we all hate the Ultramarines in 40k, Why? Because Lorgar failed hard. The Ultramarines possibly absorbed many thousands of astartes from a lost or purged legion we dont know for sure yet; and never lost many battle brothers in 30k even during the great crusade Roboute guilliman lost fewer soldiers then any other Primarch. Therefore with the reasons I've stated we hate them, Oh i forgot to mention they have the purest gene-seed. Im not sure why, theres no explanation for this except for that they just are. Im pretty sure the Imperial fists or Iron Hands are the most loyal servants to the emperor but while Mathew ward was at it he threw that in the codex as well. As i was saying we hate them because other then there Roman style when it comes to names, ships, they have nothing special about them they are good whether we want to admit it or not, at every role. Fans hate this, the imperium loves it, 90% of chapters are created from Ultramarines gene-seed. Why ? its obvious in a galaxy thats constantly changing and xenos,mutants,heretics are on a rampage you need a chapter to fulfill every roll, unfortunately thats the smurfs. Because Horus failed at striking Guilliman hard, every fan on 40k has to suffer with the fact that the ' Scouring ' happened. A time in history where the damn Ultramarines basically saved humanity's arse for a long time, and thanks to Roboute we are saved. This small fact is the fuel and embers that every smurf fan loves. WHY WHY WHY did this have to be in the god dam fluff. Its like Mat ward was like oh because these guys are roman they will totally pwn everyone and totally save the fricken day! Guillimon is the bestest! tehe. >.< RAGE ! Because of all of this bad writting on Graham McNeil's part and matt ward we get Calgar who beats an avatar........... i'm sorry but no. Just no. People and writers forget that a Chapter master isnt some half godly figure. A Chapter master is generally just a wise space marine who is generally the oldest and has more battle experience and has a balanced way of dealing with situations. To go with this they generally have modified terminator armour and a few weapons from the heresy etc. A Chapter master is just as good as fighting melee as a captain, he has a slight advantage due to relics and a small amount more experience of course butt hey are not leagues ahead. I hate how Calgar kills an avatar its kills to to the core. To top it all off Ultramarine fans always say they are the best legion and the best chapter. It drives me crazy NO ULTRAMARINES ARE NOT THE BEST THE WAY THE UNIVERSE HAS WORKED OUT THE ONLY REASON THEY SAVE THE GALAXY IS BECAUSE THEY HAD LIKE 150 000 MEN OR MORE! ANYOTHER PRIMARCH WITH A LARGE ARMY COULD HAVE DONE THE SAME! i Hate how unbalanced and stupid things have gotten.
An average ultramarine is no better at firing a bolter then any other space marine
An average ultramarine is no better and close combat fighting then any other space marine
An average ultramarine is no stronger or faster then any other legionnaire, to be honest and open minded, i think its fair to say they would be one of the weakest and slowest.
FOR SOME REASON
An average ultramarine has more purity
An average ultramarine always wins ???????????????????????????????
An average ultramarine is just better then all the other chapters and legions and everyone aspires to be like them for some reason? If i was a Salamander or a Raven guard space marines i would never want to strive to be like an Ultramarine, at least they have personality and ARE GOOD AT THEIR ROLES. NOT JUST BETTER THEN EVERYONE FOR NO REAL REASON!
Frecklesonfire wrote: I'm not an Ultramarine fanboy btw, i have to edit my profile it seems, i have a balanced opinion on the legions. chapters and primarchs as my one friend and dakka user loves Ultramarines and talks about them 24/7 haha.
so Mathew ward. Here comes the rant im so sorry (not!)
I really dislike how Warhammer: Horus Heresy, and the 40k setting are to be frank. I love it still but it really makes me fugging angry in the words of Bronzi.
In 30k the Ultramarines have high numbers because of the way Roboute guilliman has set up his sector of planets he is able to recruit many astartes quickly, he is efficient, organized, and is possibly and arguably one of the best strategists. Because of Horus we all hate the Ultramarines in 40k, Why? Because Lorgar failed hard. The Ultramarines possibly absorbed many thousands of astartes from a lost or purged legion we dont know for sure yet; and never lost many battle brothers in 30k even during the great crusade Roboute guilliman lost fewer soldiers then any other Primarch. Therefore with the reasons I've stated we hate them, Oh i forgot to mention they have the purest gene-seed. Im not sure why, theres no explanation for this except for that they just are. Im pretty sure the Imperial fists or Iron Hands are the most loyal servants to the emperor but while Mathew ward was at it he threw that in the codex as well. As i was saying we hate them because other then there Roman style when it comes to names, ships, they have nothing special about them they are good whether we want to admit it or not, at every role. Fans hate this, the imperium loves it, 90% of chapters are created from Ultramarines gene-seed. Why ? its obvious in a galaxy thats constantly changing and xenos,mutants,heretics are on a rampage you need a chapter to fulfill every roll, unfortunately thats the smurfs. Because Horus failed at striking Guilliman hard, every fan on 40k has to suffer with the fact that the ' Scouring ' happened. A time in history where the damn Ultramarines basically saved humanity's arse for a long time, and thanks to Roboute we are saved. This small fact is the fuel and embers that every smurf fan loves. WHY WHY WHY did this have to be in the god dam fluff. Its like Mat ward was like oh because these guys are roman they will totally pwn everyone and totally save the fricken day! Guillimon is the bestest! tehe. >.< RAGE ! Because of all of this bad writting on Graham McNeil's part and matt ward we get Calgar who beats an avatar........... i'm sorry but no. Just no. People and writers forget that a Chapter master isnt some half godly figure. A Chapter master is generally just a wise space marine who is generally the oldest and has more battle experience and has a balanced way of dealing with situations. To go with this they generally have modified terminator armour and a few weapons from the heresy etc. A Chapter master is just as good as fighting melee as a captain, he has a slight advantage due to relics and a small amount more experience of course butt hey are not leagues ahead. I hate how Calgar kills an avatar its kills to to the core. To top it all off Ultramarine fans always say they are the best legion and the best chapter. It drives me crazy NO ULTRAMARINES ARE NOT THE BEST THE WAY THE UNIVERSE HAS WORKED OUT THE ONLY REASON THEY SAVE THE GALAXY IS BECAUSE THEY HAD LIKE 150 000 MEN OR MORE! ANYOTHER PRIMARCH WITH A LARGE ARMY COULD HAVE DONE THE SAME! i Hate how unbalanced and stupid things have gotten.
An average ultramarine is no better at firing a bolter then any other space marine
An average ultramarine is no better and close combat fighting then any other space marine
An average ultramarine is no stronger or faster then any other legionnaire, to be honest and open minded, i think its fair to say they would be one of the weakest and slowest.
FOR SOME REASON
An average ultramarine has more purity
An average ultramarine always wins ???????????????????????????????
An average ultramarine is just better then all the other chapters and legions and everyone aspires to be like them for some reason? If i was a Salamander or a Raven guard space marines i would never want to strive to be like an Ultramarine, at least they have personality and ARE GOOD AT THEIR ROLES. NOT JUST BETTER THEN EVERYONE FOR NO REAL REASON!
BLEH. "Thats all you get"
Dude, this is not funny, this is tragic, and it really bugs me that the BA are on the path in becoming something similar...
Hehe how about the Mentors with all their hyberbole. Five members from them rescued 350 Flesh Tearers. Which is a bad thing (I really take the stand the Flesh Tearers should be cleansed by the Sororitas and not protected). I don't have too much against the hyperbole surrounding the Chapter Masters. There have been even worse than Calgar taking out an Avatar of Khaine. F.ex. Pariah Chapter Master of the Sons of Dorn (How the hell did that happen?), the Sanguinator taking the mightiest Bloodthirster of Khorne on a joy-ride, after chopping off one of his wings than dropping it from 2000 meters leaving a large crater full of demon-goo. And you have Kaldor Draigo who is a High Lord of Terra whenever he returns from vandalizing the Gardens of Eden, I meant Nurgle. He is the oldest Supreme Grandmaster of the Grey Knights.
Of course reading about the Ultramarines is better avoided lest you risk getting an ulcer.
Beaviz81 wrote: Hehe how about the Mentors with all their hyberbole. Five members from them rescued 350 Flesh Tearers. Which is a bad thing (I really take the stand the Flesh Tearers should be cleansed by the Sororitas and not protected). I don't have too much against the hyperbole surrounding the Chapter Masters. There have been even worse than Calgar taking out an Avatar of Khaine. F.ex. Pariah Chapter Master of the Sons of Dorn (How the hell did that happen?), the Sanguinator taking the mightiest Bloodthirster of Khorne on a joy-ride, after chopping off one of his wings than dropping it from 2000 meters leaving a large crater full of demon-goo. And you have Kaldor Draigo who is a High Lord of Terra whenever he returns from vandalizing the Gardens of Eden, I meant Nurgle. He is the oldest Supreme Grandmaster of the Grey Knights.
Of course reading about the Ultramarines is better avoided lest you risk getting an ulcer.
I'm getting an ulcer from the BA too epic fluff - In "Fear to tread" Sanguniator was suppose to lose...but nooooo, Mary Sue was better, just got suckerpunched by a spear of truth, and later...well you know....ty Swallow for screwing "Battle for Terra"...
And I will add vampires who suck blood without any reason and have a ghost behind their back, librarian mephistophelis (or something like that) who is stronger than primarch, and one of the best duelist in the IoM and they have oldest grandmaster in whole galaxy...oooo,add deep striking landraiders ....
P.S.
Yes the FT should be purged - I' pissed myself from laughter when DC was growling in "Stormarck massacre"...
A Kvlt Ghost wrote: Some of the primarch names really are rdiculous and the current line of BL/FW fiction having to deal with them with a straight face can be pretty funny.
Always thought it was odd how little bearing some of the names had on the nature of their legions - you have a dude called Horus, and yet the egypt-themed legion is led by Magnus, which you'd expect to be the name of the viking-themed legion, but etc
At the same time, some of them tie in a little too well. Corvus Corax? Russ is lucky he didn't end up called Canis Lupus
I don't think any of that would be considered ridiculous by BL staff and cause them to struggle to keep a straight face. But some of the naming can be akward.
For example Prosper and Caliban, the home worlds of the Thousand Sons and the Dark Angels respectively, are both characters in Shakespeare's The Tempest. Prospero is clearly related in that in the play he is a great sorcerer and the TS are known for their use of magic. Caliban on the other hand is Prospero's mutant slave who tried to rape his daughter and plotted to kill him.
Frecklesonfire wrote: In 30k the Ultramarines have high numbers because of the way Roboute guilliman has set up his sector of planets he is able to recruit many astartes quickly, he is efficient, organized, and is possibly and arguably one of the best strategists. Because of Horus we all hate the Ultramarines in 40k, Why? Because Lorgar failed hard. The Ultramarines possibly absorbed many thousands of astartes from a lost or purged legion we dont know for sure yet; and never lost many battle brothers in 30k even during the great crusade Roboute guilliman lost fewer soldiers then any other Primarch. Therefore with the reasons I've stated we hate them, Oh i forgot to mention they have the purest gene-seed. Im not sure why, theres no explanation for this except for that they just are. Im pretty sure the Imperial fists or Iron Hands are the most loyal servants to the emperor but while Mathew ward was at it he threw that in the codex as well.
Oh all of your misguided rage is hilarious.
Mat Ward didn't write any of that. All of the above comes from 1995's Codex: Ultramarines, written by Rick Priestley, one of the original creators of 40K...
i Hate how unbalanced and stupid things have gotten.
How old were you in 1995?
An average ultramarine is no stronger or faster then any other legionnaire, to be honest and open minded, i think its fair to say they would be one of the weakest and slowest.
Why? What could possibly back this up? It ought to be funny what you come up with, considering all the other lunacy you've posted so far.
Try not to take everything you read on 1d4chan seriously. It's a humor site.
Beaviz81 wrote: Hehe how about the Mentors with all their hyberbole. Five members from them rescued 350 Flesh Tearers. Which is a bad thing (I really take the stand the Flesh Tearers should be cleansed by the Sororitas and not protected). I don't have too much against the hyperbole surrounding the Chapter Masters. There have been even worse than Calgar taking out an Avatar of Khaine. F.ex. Pariah Chapter Master of the Sons of Dorn (How the hell did that happen?), the Sanguinator taking the mightiest Bloodthirster of Khorne on a joy-ride, after chopping off one of his wings than dropping it from 2000 meters leaving a large crater full of demon-goo. And you have Kaldor Draigo who is a High Lord of Terra whenever he returns from vandalizing the Gardens of Eden, I meant Nurgle. He is the oldest Supreme Grandmaster of the Grey Knights.
Of course reading about the Ultramarines is better avoided lest you risk getting an ulcer.
I'm getting an ulcer from the BA too epic fluff - In "Fear to tread" Sanguniator was suppose to lose...but nooooo, Mary Sue was better, just got suckerpunched by a spear of truth, and later...well you know....ty Swallow for screwing "Battle for Terra"...
And I will add vampires who suck blood without any reason and have a ghost behind their back, librarian mephistophelis (or something like that) who is stronger than primarch, and one of the best duelist in the IoM and they have oldest grandmaster in whole galaxy...oooo,add deep striking landraiders ....
P.S.
Yes the FT should be purged - I' pissed myself from laughter when DC was growling in "Stormarck massacre"...
Mind you they still ain't compared to the ultimate human in the universe and winning, and remember who the author is. Writing's answer to Michael Cole. But I agree the BA is horrible writing, especially the part about Dante allying with Necrons. Due to fears from that very same author giving me an ulcer reading the Space Marines Codex I of course have no plans to read the full BA Codex. And note I'm citing medical reasons here.
Hruotland wrote: The void dragon being the reason mankind has still technology - priceless!
With the changes to the necron codex, I'm wondering what they are going to do with this in a future HH book. Mechanicum pretty much stated that the void dragon was the real omnisiah and that the design for the golden throne came from the girl who was taking over the watch. I may have to read that one again. The only real way out at this point would be if GW/BL disassociates the void dragon from being a captured c'tan.
Mat Ward didn't write any of that. All of the above comes from 1995's Codex: Ultramarines, written by Rick Priestley, one of the original creators of 40K...
Yup, I agree. That's one of the things I would say that makes me laugh about 40K. All this hate towards the Ultramarines as if their fluff is some new construct of Ultramarines fans, when basically everything about them that exists but the theory about how all other Chapters idolize them (which is dumb) was established in one of the oldest army books of the entire game of 40K and penned by a guy that, at least who used to be, universally loved.
I also smirk when Black Templars players rage about anything that might make their Chapter less cool - especially making it a section of the Space marine codex with special rules, when us old players knew that army as just one of many generic vanilla successors pictured in the Ultramarines Codex, which was the original "Vanilla Codex". And then in 3rd edition when it was an "addendum to the vanilla codex, with special rules".
Also, the fact that the "technology as magic" part of 40K is getting out of hand so badly it's not even funny, but rather confusing. Techpriests don't know how to build anything technological anymore without a magical STC to spit it out, but then they can repair that same technology??? I understand the methods of operation being ritual, but it's getting to the point that GW is portraying humans as cavemen with laserguns.
The emo-ness of the technological stagnation of the Imperium is starting to just be a knee-jerk reaction that makes little sense. Pretty soon they are going to say that the method of making autogun ammo has been "lost to the mists of time", though luckily... Forgeworld XXI-B can still make Warlord Titans.
Mat Ward didn't write any of that. All of the above comes from 1995's Codex: Ultramarines, written by Rick Priestley, one of the original creators of 40K...
Yup, I agree. That's one of the things I would say that makes me laugh about 40K. All this hate towards the Ultramarines as if their fluff is some new construct of Ultramarines fans, when basically everything about them that exists but the theory about how all other Chapters idolize them (which is dumb) was established in one of the oldest army books of the entire game of 40K and penned by a guy that, at least who used to be, universally loved.
I also smirk when Black Templars players rage about anything that might make their Chapter less cool - especially making it a section of the Space marine codex with special rules, when us old players knew that army as just one of many generic vanilla successors pictured in the Ultramarines Codex, which was the original "Vanilla Codex". And then in 3rd edition when it was an "addendum to the vanilla codex, with special rules".
Also, the fact that the "technology as magic" part of 40K is getting out of hand so badly it's not even funny, but rather confusing. Techpriests don't know how to build anything technological anymore without a magical STC to spit it out, but then they can repair that same technology??? I understand the methods of operation being ritual, but it's getting to the point that GW is portraying humans as cavemen with laserguns.
The emo-ness of the technological stagnation of the Imperium is starting to just be a knee-jerk reaction that makes little sense. Pretty soon they are going to say that the method of making autogun ammo has been "lost to the mists of time", though luckily... Forgeworld XXI-B can still make Warlord Titans.
I dont find that funny. Thats all stuff about 40k that actually really hate lol. So i ignore it and move on happy as a clam lol
Good point Galdos, there is little respect gained for people that ridicule and tell people how to feel and think. At most forums doing that is a ban-able offense. Of course I'm just speaking for myself.
Beaviz81 wrote: Good point Galdos, there is little respect gained for people that ridicule and tell people how to feel and think. At most forums doing that is a ban-able offense. Of course I'm just speaking for myself.
I agree. When someone tells me I should hate Ultramarines, and Mat Ward is literally hitler I wish they would get banned.
Beaviz81 wrote: Good point Galdos, there is little respect gained for people that ridicule and tell people how to feel and think. At most forums doing that is a ban-able offense. Of course I'm just speaking for myself.
I agree. When someone tells me I should hate Ultramarines, and Mat Ward is literally hitler I wish they would get banned.
I can see the part about commanding you to hate the Ultramarines, that's not kosher. But if a guy think Matt Ward is literary Hitler, then it's an opinion (as for myself, I think his hyperbole is akin to Michael Cole not Hitler, which hopefully is a massive difference as Michael Cole is just a hyberbole-filled commentator, while Hitler was a very bad man).
AegisGrimm wrote: Wait...did i say something out of line? Didn't mean to.
I was just saying I think you posted that in the wrong topic sense this is for funny stuff lol.
I hate Matt Ward as much as the next person though I like to think I avoid talking about him. I actually like the Ultarmarines so usually if I contribute ( ithink) I just comment on how I really like McNeil's books because they good through such lengths to portray them in a more reasonable fashion.
The really old fluff for Orks used to have some funny bits about their whole gestalt psychic field thing. Im pretty sure back in 2nd or 3rd edition Orks could make just about anything fire bullets so long as they believed it was a gun, even pieces of wood.
In one of the IW books, a squad of terminators kills a titan.
By entering in its foot.
Everything's normal.
In another one, (that I did not finish reading), an iron warriors shuttle is used against a battle barge as a bullet.
The battle barge is wrecked, the shuttle just pursue its venture.
Everything's normal.
You can fit 10 fully equiped space marines, including up to 4 heavy weapons, in a rhino. + a pilot.
Everything's normal.
Seb wrote: In one of the IW books, a squad of terminators kills a titan.
By entering in its foot.
Everything's normal.
In another one, (that I did not finish reading), an iron warriors shuttle is used against a battle barge as a bullet.
The battle barge is wrecked, the shuttle just pursue its venture.
Everything's normal.
You can fit 10 fully equiped space marines, including up to 4 heavy weapons, in a rhino. + a pilot.
Everything's normal.
The entry of the foot-thingy is standard, the titan had a full company of Guardsmen as guardians.
The fact that Space Marines can even sit in tanks makes no sense whatsoever. First you have guys with super-toughness, then you dress them in powered armour, then you encase them inside tanks with their extremely large frames, and with so small entry-points that I think every Space Marine has a second setting on his bolter (this is me being witty not fluffy) teleportation.
AegisGrimm wrote: The emo-ness of the technological stagnation of the Imperium is starting to just be a knee-jerk reaction that makes little sense. Pretty soon they are going to say that the method of making autogun ammo has been "lost to the mists of time", though luckily... Forgeworld XXI-B can still make Warlord Titans.
One of by own mental jokes is that by 50k, the average Guardsman is armed with Crossbows, while only Space Marine officers get the privelage of using... gasp! Matchlock weapons!
AegisGrimm wrote: Wait...did i say something out of line? Didn't mean to.
I was just saying I think you posted that in the wrong topic sense this is for funny stuff lol.
I hate Matt Ward as much as the next person though I like to think I avoid talking about him. I actually like the Ultarmarines so usually if I contribute ( ithink) I just comment on how I really like McNeil's books because they good through such lengths to portray them in a more reasonable fashion.
Ah, ok. I was just commenting/agreeing on what was said about the Ultramarines before me.
The main part of my topic is how I think it's funny when I read something that expands the 'technological decay' situation of the Imperium. Pretty soon they will have Forgeworlds they hold in regard above all others because they have the last working "toilet paper manufactorums" to be distributed among the Imperial army forces.
Though about the Ultramarines, the cynical part of me really does think it's funny when people think some 40K stuff is the latest and most horrible work of some hated author and rant about it, when us oldies can quote it from books back in 2nd edition and can think of two or three consecutive waves of new players ranting about it over the past several years.
Ooooh I get it, we got it all wrong, Warhammer fantasy is not a prequel to 40k, its a sequel!
It's about there. There is absolutely no way that anything GW says can convince me that the crew of an Imperial cruiser flies it by faithful rituals and sacred oils to make it happy.
I would totally believe a setting where the high technology of the Imperium like Plasma guns and machine spirits (how are they different form the "banned" AIs of the setting, again?) have been largely lost and cannot be easily distributed because of the size of the Imperium vs. travel time. But right now Orks are more successful innovators than humans!
Tuska Da Daemon Killa, who, after leading his boyz across hundreds of daemon worlds in the Eye of Terror, beating the snot out of all of them, finally falls in combat against a bloodthirster lord and with his dying breath, as the daemon stands over him, rams his powerclaw up its....
Mat Ward didn't write any of that. All of the above comes from 1995's Codex: Ultramarines, written by Rick Priestley, one of the original creators of 40K...
Yup, I agree. That's one of the things I would say that makes me laugh about 40K. All this hate towards the Ultramarines as if their fluff is some new construct of Ultramarines fans, when basically everything about them that exists but the theory about how all other Chapters idolize them (which is dumb) was established in one of the oldest army books of the entire game of 40K and penned by a guy that, at least who used to be, universally loved.
People really didn't have an issue with Ultramarines until the 5th Ed codex by Ward, which was absolutely terrible. The every non-Smurf Chapter wanting to secretly be Smurfs and making them too Mary Stewish even for Space Marines standards are responsible for this. I haven't really seen many bash them for having the most successor chapters.
If memory serves the fact that everyone wanting to be the Ultras were there from 1995, but then it was the Ultramarines who thought that highly about themselves, which I assume was the line of thought most people had due to it being in the Codex Ultramarines. And Matt Ward then came along, added some more hyperbole, made each Ultramarine sound better than the ultimate Mary Sue (Empy), and it went downward from there.
I for one never was a fan of Rick Priestly's Space Marines, but I kept to WHFB due to the Brighthammy Bretonnians and the damn funny Skaven. I first got really interested in WH40k after the turn of the millennia, and if anything the Space Marines were a major turn-off for me there. Of course I might be wrong about the thought about everyone wanting to be the Ultras being from 1995 as I was in love with WH40k's brother not WH40k itself, and I don't really care to read much about the Ultras even back then for medical reasons.
Seb wrote: In one of the IW books, a squad of terminators kills a titan.
By entering in its foot.
Everything's normal.
In another one, (that I did not finish reading), an iron warriors shuttle is used against a battle barge as a bullet.
The battle barge is wrecked, the shuttle just pursue its venture.
Everything's normal.
You can fit 10 fully equiped space marines, including up to 4 heavy weapons, in a rhino. + a pilot.
Everything's normal.
The entry of the foot-thingy is standard, the titan had a full company of Guardsmen as guardians.
Yeah - but as a titan princeps, I would have add a failsafe, let's say BIG DOORS that can isolate parts of the titan in case of breach.
While Matt Ward borrowed a lot of fluff from earlier publications, he often edits a few words or phrases here and there to make them more over the top and fit his "I'm a hyper adolescent" approach to writing.
For example, Tigurius' fluff is mostly unchanged, and used to describe his connection to the Hive Mind as a qualification to be "one of the most powerful psykers in the Imperium". Ward, of course, chose to omit the "one of"
Of course, it all becomes silly when each successive book has characters that are that much better than the "best in da universe" guys from the previous book.
For example, Tigurius' fluff is mostly unchanged, and used to describe his connection to the Hive Mind as a qualification to be "one of the most powerful psykers in the Imperium". Ward, of course, chose to omit the "one of"
Poor Eldrad
And just about any veteran Farseer worth a damn for that matter.
Beaviz81 wrote: If memory serves the fact that everyone wanting to be the Ultras were there from 1995, but then it was the Ultramarines who thought that highly about themselves, which I assume was the line of thought most people had due to it being in the Codex Ultramarines.
No. That was definitely not in the 2nd Edition book. Only the parts about them having the most Successor chapters, and being the most successful of the Space Marine chapters ("Greatest of all Space Marine Chapters is the quote from the back cover). And, actually, players have always hated the Ultramarines, lol. I did a long analysis of it once, a long time ago. But, the basics of it was that they used to be hated for being "boring". Codex: Ultramarines didn't have a lot of fancy units like Codex: Angels of Death (BA & DA), and it wasn't ridiculously unbalanced and overpowered like Codex: Space Wolves. It was the "generic" or "vanilla" Space Marine list. Back in 2nd Edition, Special Characters weren't staples of the game because you were supposed to ask for permission to use them, since they were often overpowered and unbalancing. You used Special Characters for special games. In 2nd Edition, they didn't fight in every battle ever, like they do today, lol. So the basic list was what was important.
But the Ultramarines continued to be the default Chapter for Games Workshop. And for a very good reason. They were generic. If you know what a Marine is in real life, an Ultramarine looks like one, 40,000 years in the future. So, on a poster, or a game box, or in art, etc, they just looked like Big Guys in Big Armor, with Big Guns. You didn't have to explain why they were furry Vikings, or why they had fangs and blood drops all over the place, or why they had bathrobes on. But, again, because Codex: Ultramarines (and its successors, Codex: Space Marines) was less powerful, players assumed that meant, fluff wise, it was impossible for the Ultramarines to be any good. Trust me. I've been around the hobby a long time, and the player base hasn't gotten any smarter, lol. The hate for the Ultramarines has just evolved, largely fueled by the previous generation of neckbeards who hated the Ultramarines. If you just recently decided you didn't like the Ultramarines, it is because you were influenced by the previous generation of players who worked very hard, and very loudly, to convince you that you hated them. And some of them do a good job. Posing as intellectuals, rambling on about character development, and how Space Marines should have flaws, and Mary-Sueism, etc. But, in reality, all Space Marines are equally Mary Sues (in that they aren't at all, unless you think being sober, celibate, and having very little freedom of thought or action is awesome, in which case I imagine you never have sex with attractive women, have never gotten good and hammered and/or had fun), and making Blood Angels all ragey or Dark Angels all emo or Space Wolves all drunk isn't good character development, because it's all just a way to slot them into a different target segment in the Space Marine market. 40K is great at market segmentation. They've got an anime army. And an Aliens/Starship Troopers bugs army. And Space Elves. And Space Dark Elves/Fetishists. And Space Mad Max Orks. And Space Rambos. And Space Religious Nuts. And Space We're Better than even Normal Space Marines. An army to appeal to all types. In fact, if anything, the Space Wolves are the least flawed, and the most Mary Sue-like of all Space Marines, because they are Space Marines, who get to do all the stuff Space Marines don't get to do. Eat, drink, and be merry. Heck, it's even suggested they get to be all bangy with the ladyfolk. Other Space Marines take a vow of celibacy and sobriety at like Age 6. It sucks to be a Space Marine. But it's awesome to be a Space Wolf! They're Vikings! I mean, yeah, Calgar stomped an Avatar once. But Mephiston punched half a Waaagh! to death with his bare hands, and the Blood Angels have an immortal Chapter Master who one-shotted a Bloodthirster by chopping it in half. The Ultramarines Codex overstates the Ultramarines, but that's not silly? "No, of course not, because we hate the Ultramarines!"
Look, the whole "everyone wants to be an Ultramarines" is stupid, and incorrect anyway. What the book says is that they can never be Ultramarines, but still aspire to the standards set by Guilliman. That's all. It doesn't say that they do that at the expense of their own Primarch, or hate themselves, just that they try to exist by the doctrines in the Codex. Yeah, it's a bit hyperbolic, but it's this trend where if you repeat something enough times, eventually the story changes.
And nobody actually seems to read what the book actually says, because it becomes "funnier" to just repeat the incorrect version (the lie, essentially). Mat Ward has become such a fan pariah, that people don't think twice about perpetuating this lie either, assuming they can get away with it because everyone already hates Mat Ward anyway.
Veteran Sergeant I make up my mind, I can listen to other people, but in the end I decide what to think and feel, and me and my friends played plain old Warhammer. I never liked the Ultras for being boring, and as racism spread over football-stadiums the name has become unfortunate due to the Ultras of Italy and other countries (which in my mind should be of some concern for GW).
People also is prone to assume the worst about anything, and the statement is extremely hyperbolic as you pointed out, and I'm not sure about how you read it, of course a parsec that their own Primarch comes first should have been added.
Chapter Masters are living gods of war, and I haven't read the BA-codex since Kaldor Draigo basically accomplishes feats making him a missing Primarch. Of course the power-levels of a Greater Daemon can be taken into account. D&D has dozens of demons, while WH40k has two archetypes. There must be something inbetween or Ciaphas Cain is chasing around a Demon a Primarch would struggle to best, Inquisitor Hector Rex going toe to toe with a Bloodthirster and winning. Any kind of logic there points to a power-scale, at least a sane person would agree with me at that point.
The Ultramarines have always lacked a personality, but what Matt Ward did was making them perfect. I wish that he had added they regarded themselves as that, then I would call Ward a very talented writer, which he of course is, but as other guys state he is prone to just substracting and adding things and I stopped and I haven't dared read the other hyperbole he has written. It actually ends up seeming like the hyperbole I would expect inperson wrestlers to write about themselves. It's that bad.
Also stereotyping is just stupid. It's a really bad way of answering criticism on. The Blood Angels are vampiric sure, but they also have some awful secrets including the frakking Flesh Tearers and their curse, the Space Wolves drink sure, but they are absent of women since if the ejaculation doesn't destroy the woman the sperm would (the only chapter I know of which breeds actively is the Sons of Dorn, and they have a Pariah Chapter Master) and they have a hell of a lot of personality (the Space Wolves I mean), the Dark Angels is extremely secretive, I wish them could be more native American. All those are personality-traits, while I can see the Ultramarines as the posterboys they being perfect gets them no-where.
Beaviz81 wrote: I never liked the Ultras for being boring, and as racism spread over football-stadiums the name has become unfortunate due to the Ultras of Italy and other countries (which in my mind should be of some concern for GW).
Beaviz81 wrote: I never liked the Ultras for being boring, and as racism spread over football-stadiums the name has become unfortunate due to the Ultras of Italy and other countries (which in my mind should be of some concern for GW).
That is absolutely ridiculous
I know, but it is also a fact. Ultras are a growing thingy, and that's not pleasant.
Beaviz81 wrote: I never liked the Ultras for being boring, and as racism spread over football-stadiums the name has become unfortunate due to the Ultras of Italy and other countries (which in my mind should be of some concern for GW).
That is absolutely ridiculous
I know, but it is also a fact. Ultras are a growing thingy, and that's not pleasant.
Every right winged fc supporter in Croatia is called ultras, and I will add something which sickens me every time I see ornamented "U"...
Well I'm old enough to separate things like fiction and real life, but still Beaviz81 has a point, and icongraphy just bugs your eyes...
on topic
Lukas luring a lord of the Word Bearers into making planetfall upon thin ice, resulting in hundreds of Traitor Marines plunging to their death into the Sea of Lost Souls
-fulgrim killing avatar in hh novel
-an entire eldar force including a wraithlord is destroyed by fulgrim and a handful of marines.
-the entire book battle of the abyss
-the entire book nemesis
These make me laugh in a very bad way.
But orks are always great fun. They are funny in an awesome way.
Another personal dislike of mine is the use of bikes in space marines. I can see jetbikes being useful but Its funny to me that superhuman godlike warriors zoom around on battlefields on bikes.
Oh I was refering to how the hell do you get a Space Marine inside a tank period, be it Predator, Rhino, Landraider. They don't fit through the hatches. And with that I mean the crew.
I know what they have done, they build the Tank around the crew.
Beaviz81 wrote: Oh I was refering to how the hell do you get a Space Marine inside a tank period, be it Predator, Rhino, Landraider. They don't fit through the hatches. And with that I mean the crew.
I know what they have done, they build the Tank around the crew.
As they would likely be tech-marines-a-like, they would probably find that awesome anyways!
I like it when other races use Ork words. Specially when in audio format. It is funny when an ork says it but when its like a serf reading a message to a SM captain or something its pretty silly. Serf: "My Lord, the Ork WAAAAAGH has reached the outskirts of our system. It has been reported that they are being lead by Boss Gutspunch Gonadcrush and are equipped with many lifta droppa's, fighta bombas ETC."
you get the point. funny. Even better when it is said aloud in DoW.
The "Wolf of Fenris" story in CSM 5th ed codex. The fact that the only way for 5th ed CSM to beat SW is to have half of the SW shoot their own guys in the back, always makes me giggle.
Luco wrote: The amount of hate and vitrol spewed over fantasy stories for plastic toys is probably the most amusing aspect of the whole deal.
For sure.
People take this stuff so ridiculously seriously.
Agree - but it's also sad in a way..
Compared to some other hobbies ( everything sports related, where people tend to treat the victories and defeats of their prefered group of milionares as almost life threatening issues of great importance ) , i would say that wargamers are amongst the least serious ones.
Sasori wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned Trazyn the Infinite yet, his "Gift" and message to Inquisitor Valeria was pretty funny.
The quote about Imotekh pitching HIgh Marshall Helbrecht off a cliff while he was screaming was also pretty funny.
The Zahndrekh quote thinking the Orks were Necrons, is also, quite awesome.
Yeah, Necrons are pretty damn funny. Well, one of my favorite funny bits is in the rulebook, on page 234, there is a picture of a red tap dancing boba fett. It is supposed to be the emperor.
Also, its funny how they never talk about normal life.
The naivety of the Tau constantly getting them screwed over by the other races. Every time they meet some new, deranged race they're like: "Oh, who is this horrible, glaringly evil space-monster? Let's invite him in for tea and biscuits, I'm sure he's just misunderstood, and he wants to be friends." Its like they keep falling for the same incredibly obvious practical joke time after time. They have to start getting it at some point, right?
The fall of the Eldar is pretty entertaining, be careful kids, that story is only legally viewable for 18+.
The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer is just solid gold, along with pretty much any fluff about a guardsman's life in the IG, and commissars, it's all wonderfully tongue-in-cheek. While I'm on this subject, the tactical genius that is Ursarkar E. CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED.
I would have thought that 38,000 years later, humans would've gotten over homophobia, but I guess the Dark Angels are still afraid to come out of the closet.
All of the psy-ammunition that the GK use is really the Emperor's psychic poo, and Jokaero, and Karamazov's fluff, and all of Draigo's fluff. I guess most of that codex. But mostly the poo.
Orks. Every single thing about them, no holds barred, is absolutely hysterical. If I were to even try and list everything, I'd need 6 more posts.
This paragraph from Waaargh The Orks is great and really shows how bad it is to live in the Imperium.
"Some slaves are chained to machines, serving as their perpetual operators. Others are forced to make weapons in Ork workshops under the beady eyes of Mekboyz and Gretchin overseers. Some rise rapidly in Ork status on account of their expertise and talent. In fact, a talented alien slave can often rise to a position of respect in Ork society more quickly than a free citizen can in his own society. This is due to the fact that a talented slave is a rare commodity. Orks are quick to recognise useful skills and are easily impressed by know-how, especially technical and administrative skills. Slaves with these talents get respect and rewards they might never get at home. In fact, some slaves willingly work for their Ork masters and become trusted advisors."
It's often better to be a talented slave than a "free" citizen in the Imperium
Gargantuan wrote: This paragraph from Waaargh The Orks is great and really shows how bad it is to live in the Imperium.
"Some slaves are chained to machines, serving as their perpetual operators. Others are forced to make weapons in Ork workshops under the beady eyes of Mekboyz and Gretchin overseers. Some rise rapidly in Ork status on account of their expertise and talent. In fact, a talented alien slave can often rise to a position of respect in Ork society more quickly than a free citizen can in his own society. This is due to the fact that a talented slave is a rare commodity. Orks are quick to recognise useful skills and are easily impressed by know-how, especially technical and administrative skills. Slaves with these talents get respect and rewards they might never get at home. In fact, some slaves willingly work for their Ork masters and become trusted advisors."
It's often better to be a talented slave than a "free" citizen in the Imperium
That's awesome! I like the idea of an Warboss' court being like that of a Mongol Khan, happily slaughter you but if you do well you get a nice reward.
Outstanding!!!
(Gaunt's Gaunts).
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from running off luitenant'
