Hi,

Conducting a research survey to try and determine the thoughts on wargamers by their own community, please be honest with your response to the poll!


Will

Intelligent.



By reading the "Timmy the Power Gamer" posts on any discussion board, one would be led to believe every wargamer is some kind of serpentine lawyer, with the way they weave rules atound and behind each other. In actuality, if more people played like that, they'd get slapped.

Wargaming requires a lot of forethought, like chess. Moves are not one-dimensional, they have effects for a while. A poor move or placement could keep your heavy weapons from being used properly, or place a tank right in front of your opponent's heavies.

There is a split for sure, I have met quite a few socially inept gamers as well as had communication online with some which to be fair you get there everwhere on the internet whether its online games wargaming forums or sports forums car forums etc.

I feel this post may be a dig at me in which case I applaud it and encourage the OP to continue to vent his feelings at a random person on the internet, let the anger out buddy.

We are princes amongst men as far as I'm concerned.

As I've said before, some people like to drink, do drugs, play warhammer, go to football matches etc

Me, I like to do all those things

I put mentally challenged. After all, most wargamers still play 40k or Fantasy.

Well I put Intelligent.

Not sure of the purpose of the study, but I think if you used that list for any demographic group and asked said demographic to vote, "intelligent" would normally come out on top.

Fantasy and 40k really aren't bad games. They're great fun with great miniatures. It is expensive, but who cares? No one started wargaming because it was cheap.

I put mentally challenged as well. Most people probably couldn't be bothered to read a 300+ page book on pushing miniatures around a table for two hours, yet it's what we do on the weekends. Plus paint toy soldiers despite a lot of us being adults.

Flashman, you mentioned in an earlier thread that you were prepared to open the plastic sleeves on magazines, just so you can get a preview of WD.

In other words, you, like Nelson Mandela, are prepared to go to jail for your beliefs

Brave should be on that poll, because that's what we are, brave men ready to risk shame and ridicule from the public just for being nerds, brave men who will let nothing stop us (not even magazine sleeves) from getting what we want. Spartaaaaa!!!!

Oh come on, Its a war gaming website, of course the answer is going to be positive, it takes a strong man to admit to a hard truth.

I vote socially challenged, because lets be honest, loads are.

Look at my needless ban from the OT.. I hardly think I'm a particularly aggressive/uncouth individual and clearly 75% of the community don't think so either, but we must cater to the 25% of endlessly butthurt crybabies that are grown men who frequent this website who cant take normal adult disagreement.

Who was it last week that I calmly put a point across to, and then he said he was ignoring me FOREVER and then proceeded to tell everyone "Matty threw a hissy fit" despite the fact everything we wrote was right there in black and white anyway?!

I honestly think that a larger percentage of wargamers are socially awkward, I'm a really sociable person and In most situations, say I meet some blokes for the first time, I get along well with 99 out of 100 of them.

Here, its like a 25% chance they are going to spit their dummy out at the first opportunity and sob like a girl because words burn them like the fires of a thousand suns.


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Oh yeah, and unhygienic as well, they were really big on hygiene in the corps, made us shower three times a day, and always referred to Army soldiers as "pongos" working off the stereotype that they never wash. So to be fair I suppose that many civilians are pretty bad in general and not just wargamers.

Matty, when did you get banned from OT and for how long? That's a shame. I'll be the first to admit that 90% of the stuff you post is a load of balls but that's no reason for a ban. And you're right, people can be oversensitive at times, but it's not our website.

There's a reason why you marines enjoyed showers three times a day, but this is a family website so I'll say no more plus you would only hunt me down Liam Neeson style!

Back OT I voted for Intelligent as that what we are. An earlier poster had it right about reading 300+ page rulebooks.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

There's a reason why you marines enjoyed showers three times a day, but this is a family website so I'll say no more plus you would only hunt me down Liam Neeson style!

Back OT I voted for Intelligent as that what we are. An earlier poster had it right about reading 300+ page rulebooks.

Haha.. no need to say, I can guess your retort.

I haven't been able to post in OT for ages now..

I don't disagree with intelligent I suppose, I find that a staggering amount of people don't actually read any books at all, so no doubt we as a whole read more than the general populous, no doubt that adds several points to the overall IQ.

But it doesn't mean we aren't more socially awkward either...

Maybe we should be voting "all of the above"

As the average IQ of my group is 132,I voted intellegent.

And as these are the gamers I interact with the most ,its what I base my reponce on.

The majority of wargamers are smart people, but there's always differences in the player base.

For example, xbox live would have you believe all halo players are 13 year old gay fearing gakkers.

That's just a majority of the vocal players, and doesn't take into account the others.

Wargaming is a hobby that weeds out certain people and keeps others, but like anything else has it's problem people.

So do everyone a favor and stop allying nercons and/or GK with everything kids.

Im not sure Intelligent is the right word, Maybe "Different Minded"
Maybe our throught processes are different, able to think abstractly and differently.

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Hi,

Conducting a research survey to try and determine the thoughts on wargamers by their own community, please be honest with your response to the poll!


Will

Chain and cig too strong bro


Majority of these kids tend to be socially awkward

I'd say for the most part intelligent. Although some intelligent people, may act as if they're stupid at times.
And there appears to be some really good actors on dakka.

From what I see on Dakka:
Arguementative
From what I see at my FLGS:
All of the Above

My sister is intelligent, far more then me, graduated top of her class in HS and got a full scholoship.
She cant even comprehend my hobbies.

Varied is the true answer.

 mattyrm wrote:
Who was it last week that I calmly put a point across to, and then he said he was ignoring me FOREVER and then proceeded to tell everyone "Matty threw a hissy fit" despite the fact everything we wrote was right there in black and white anyway?!

No idea but it looks like you're throwing another hissy fit.

Well, given that we can only choose one, I chose Intelligent. It was a toss-up between that and socially challenged, and I decided, hey, I need to function socially for at least two hours to get a game in, so we cannot be that bad.

I looked at the poll results and I am now sad.

on any given day most people could be any number of those things..

Labels are best placed on products not people.

Mostly I find wargamers are my kind of people.

Cool Dudes.

I'm sure that most of us who have friends who are wargamers hang out and do non-wargamer stuff.

Though I agree with socially challenged.

I put smelly. It is the smell that truly binds us.

MarkyMark wrote:
There is a split for sure, I have met quite a few socially inept gamers as well as had communication online with some which to be fair you get there everwhere on the internet whether its online games wargaming forums or sports forums car forums etc.

I feel this post may be a dig at me in which case I applaud it and encourage the OP to continue to vent his feelings at a random person on the internet, let the anger out buddy.

Can we add paranoid to the poll?

 Eldarain wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:
There is a split for sure, I have met quite a few socially inept gamers as well as had communication online with some which to be fair you get there everwhere on the internet whether its online games wargaming forums or sports forums car forums etc.

I feel this post may be a dig at me in which case I applaud it and encourage the OP to continue to vent his feelings at a random person on the internet, let the anger out buddy.

Can we add paranoid to the poll?

Possibly, although given the comments aimed at me by the OP within a short time frame before this post was added, well acutally during, it is only logic to think it may be a factor.

Oh and I did say in which case

I am an attractive intelligent cool dude, which means other wargamers find me stupid and annoying.

 angel of ecstasy wrote:
I am an attractive intelligent cool dude, which means other wargamers find me stupid and annoying.

Or just Swedish I put cool dudes, even though many are somewhat trollish I find most are nice people. Well except for Tau players

 Trondheim wrote:

 angel of ecstasy wrote:
I am an attractive intelligent cool dude, which means other wargamers find me stupid and annoying.

Or just Swedish I put cool dudes, even though many are somewhat trollish I find most are nice people. Well except for Tau players

I went to Trondheim once. It was gak.

To be serious though, my circle of gamers are really cool guys and gals. The store crowd is a different story. Smug pedantic know-it-alls. So I'm not voting. *Looking over my shoulder for P Diddy*

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Flashman, you mentioned in an earlier thread that you were prepared to open the plastic sleeves on magazines, just so you can get a preview of WD.

In other words, you, like Nelson Mandela, are prepared to go to jail for your beliefs

Brave should be on that poll, because that's what we are, brave men ready to risk shame and ridicule from the public just for being nerds, brave men who will let nothing stop us (not even magazine sleeves) from getting what we want. Spartaaaaa!!!!

Not brave, just belligerent Having bought WD for decades up until a couple of months ago, think I've earned a few complimentary flick throughs

I was expecting some half serious options. I would have voted 'Introverted'.

Just based on this forum and interactions with other wargamers, I'd have to say Aspergers EVERYWHERE

(even me)

I wanted to vote female, cos I know you're actually a buch of hotties!

In all honesty I would have voted normal but that wasn't there either but failing that voted socially challenged which seems to explain most people in the world depending on the time of day and orientation of the moon/inebriation.

Silly list of choices.

"In comparison to the wider public' I chose intelligent.

I've certainly met eccentrics, smelly wargamers, loud ones, introverted ones, hippies, military hawks, teenage metal heads and rappers, bachelors and family men, young women and old war veterans. It's a fairly broad church these days and I think the recent hip status that geeks and nerds got certainly helped there.

I've never met a stupid wargamer however. Some have no common sense whatsoever but all that I can remember have higher than average smarts.

I know a few intelligent, well adjusted and socially adept gamers.

Many of the gamers I encounter at conventions, however, seem to be more socially maladroit, sheltered and have some form of OCD or ASD.

So far the result is that wargamers are socially challenged and intelligent cool dudes.

I'm not convinced.

I really can't pick one. I met some gamers I can place in any of these categories, and not one category fits everyone I play. Intelligent? Yes, most of them, not all. Socially challenged or smelly? There are some, no more than in any random group (say, in a bus). Mentally challeged or stupid? Well, probably I haven't met this kind, then why would I hang out with them. You know what, I'll vote cool dudes, just because I want to believe I'm in a cool group

I choose Socially Challenged.

I have always used fantasy to escape reality, and same goes for many of my friends that play wargames.

Plastic crack is what gets me threw the hard days of my life.
Long live the "bury your head in the sand" way of life.

I think this poll is silly. I only know a few wargamers, and they're all different types of people (in the context of this poll). Plus, none of them are just one of the choices.

In the same way that everyone I consider friends, consider themselves as nerds, but none of them conform to the typical stereotypes.

I think posts like this only serve to sustain the false stereotypes that non wargamers/nerds heap upon us.

Most of the wargamers I know are just normal married men engaging in some hobby with either a local club or with their kids, and are completely normal.

Of course, most of them are historical players rather than GW wargamers. The GW players tend to be typical teenagers (even when they are 30 :p), and presumably give everyone else a bad name...

 angel of ecstasy wrote:
The store crowd is a different story. Smug pedantic know-it-alls. So I'm not voting.

^ This, and a thousand times, this! Argumentative, annoying brats of all ages that wouldn't know patience, open discussion and manners even if these characteristics took a spiteful crap right in front of them.

Which particular spectrum of Autism?

Annoying. I love the game more than MtG which I grew up with, but the (40k) players are largely intolerable in my area. I sincerely hope your gamers are less horrible.
I still cherish customizing my models more than the game.

Sadly Insane nutter wasnt there...... Dont ask

As it is i do view us as intelligent. We have to expand our knoledge, memorize rules, strategys, build forces that are flexible enough to meet a variety of challanges and be prepared to change our tactics at a moments notice.
We have to be intelligent to accomplish this.

I wouldn't describe gamers as socially challenged, cos it basically boils down to finding like minded people and doing something that you enjoy - and that description applies to a heck of a lot of activities...

I agree with MoO above - intelligent (although, considering most of us spend money in GW, on the ultimate in frivrolous hobbies that's subjective too...)

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Silly list of choices.

"In comparison to the wider public' I chose intelligent.

I've certainly met eccentrics, smelly wargamers, loud ones, introverted ones, hippies, military hawks, teenage metal heads and rappers, bachelors and family men, young women and old war veterans. It's a fairly broad church these days and I think the recent hip status that geeks and nerds got certainly helped there.

I've never met a stupid wargamer however. Some have no common sense whatsoever but all that I can remember have higher than average smarts.

Would have to agree with this, you meet all sorts. Shame the poll doesn't allow you to vote for more than 1 option.

I would say probably most are probably above average intelligence (depending on the game being played, although it also comes down to being an age thing - I won't mention any games, but leave anyone who cares to fill in the blanks themselves ) although again the term 'intelligence' covers a pretty wide field. I'm sure we all know people who can do some immensely complex engineering or maths, yet regularly manage to tie their shoe laces together, and visa-versa.

Yep - we need more than one option here, every gaming group can probably cover every single option on the list with at least one of their members!

PredaKhaine wrote:
I wouldn't describe gamers as socially challenged, cos it basically boils down to finding like minded people and doing something that you enjoy - and that description applies to a heck of a lot of activities...

I agree with MoO above - intelligent (although, considering most of us spend money in GW, on the ultimate in frivrolous hobbies that's subjective too...)

Sadly I have met a few of the socially challeneged people, at a tourny I went to in October over half the people where your normal guys, friendly and not TFG either, one was TFG and a few of the others where rude to put it bluntly. It isnt hard to be polite.

The worst one has to be a guy from my local club, said goodbye to him the other day and in return I got the most rudest dirtiest look possible! ha, that did make me laugh

Most are nerds. Most nerds aren't autistic and morbidly obese but rather normal/reasonable people. Stereotypes are a bitch I guess.

Annoying... IT is the catch all choice.

Any of those negative choices is what can annoy a person.

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Hi,

Conducting a research survey to try and determine the thoughts on wargamers by their own community, please be honest with your response to the poll!


Will

To what end exactly? What methodology did you use in creating the questions? Why are 7/10 negative perceptions against 3/10 positives?

I'm curious to the reasons behind this, because it seems very poorly constructed.

I'd socially challenge with intel coming in a close second.

 angel of ecstasy wrote:

 Trondheim wrote:

 angel of ecstasy wrote:
I am an attractive intelligent cool dude, which means other wargamers find me stupid and annoying.

Or just Swedish I put cool dudes, even though many are somewhat trollish I find most are nice people. Well except for Tau players

I went to Trondheim once. It was gak.

To be serious though, my circle of gamers are really cool guys and gals. The store crowd is a different story. Smug pedantic know-it-alls. So I'm not voting. *Looking over my shoulder for P Diddy*

No argument there, it is a rather dull town indeed.

MarkyMark wrote:
...
The worst one has to be a guy from my local club, said goodbye to him the other day and in return I got the most rudest dirtiest look possible! ha, that did make me laugh

If that was me then I meant it. No one politely says goodbye to me, NO ONE!

If not I'll buy you a pint next time I'm there and we can bitch about them!

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Hi,

Conducting a research survey to try and determine the thoughts on wargamers by their own community, please be honest with your response to the poll!


Will

This isn't a research survey, this is just a crappy poll. Garbage in , Garbage out. Something to stir up the dakkadrama meter a bit.

And as a father of an Autistic daughter, I can't say I'm a big fan of throwing around terms like Autism and Asperger's as if they are jokes and/or insults.

My group argues about every rule. Some can't understand the use of a colon (not the body part) and refuse to accept that the English language usage is quite clear in some books. Others can't accept that you can't double sacrifice cards in games like Magic and Warhammer Invasion. It can get infuriating when common sense and proper language are overruled by those who can tell louder.

If we're discussing card players though, it's generally smell-card gamers in my town smell like a homeless man's butt.

Missing option: "Disappointed by the quality of options of this survey."

Sad that dumbass people judge people by there hobby, no matter what the hobby is.

Abstaining. Group's far too heterogenous to come to a fair verdict.

 mattyrm wrote:
Look at my needless ban from the OT.. I hardly think I'm a particularly aggressive/uncouth individual and clearly 75% of the community don't think so either

But you are mattyrm. You're one of the most insulting people at this website, and never miss an opportunity to brow beat or insult individuals or groups. You constantly go for the jugular and as soon as I saw your first post in this thread I just knew it'd be you talking down to everyone about how maladjusted gamers are. And, what a shock, you're doing just that. Hell, before I even knew who you were you were telling me I had mental problems (something you seem to do quite a lot).

And that’s a ‘hard truth’ for you.

I think he goes firmly in the mentally challenged category himself actually. If he didn't have issues of his own he wouldn't feel the need to annotate his brow beating with personal tidbits like how he is a handsome socialite with impeccable hygiene and gets along with 99% of the people he ever met.

I asked my invisible friend, and he didn't know, but my Rice Krispies suggested 'Intelligent', so I thanked them and voted for that.

This forum is not for making personal remarks about people.

Please remember Rule no.1!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

You constantly go for the jugular and as soon as I saw your first post in this thread I just knew it'd be you talking down to everyone about how maladjusted gamers are.

Arguably, we are though. I spend more time thinking/talking about 40k related things than I probably spend thinking about work, or anything else, really. My roommate and I literally sit around after work drinking scotch and discussing tactics, conventions, projects, and whatnot. I'm spending about 90% of my free time on a Warhammer related project and have accepted that I'm going to need to continue working on it for the next several months at the current rate.

Now consider all the 'horror stories' that, granted, aren't verifiable, but still get told with such frequency that I'm sure at least some of them are. Consider the people who get massive Warhammer related tattoos covering parts of their bodies difficult to conceal. Consider the hundreds of posts from people who seem to genuinely hate Mat Ward, in spite of having never met him.

I'm pretty sure "most wargamers" ARE maladjusted. Of course, I'd argue that most of everyone is maladjusted, in one way or another, but I think the initial premise is sound too.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

But you are mattyrm. You're one of the most insulting people at this website, and never miss an opportunity to brow beat or insult individuals or groups. You constantly go for the jugular and as soon as I saw your first post in this thread I just knew it'd be you talking down to everyone about how maladjusted gamers are. And, what a shock, you're doing just that. Hell, before I even knew who you were you were telling me I had mental problems (something you seem to do quite a lot).

And that’s a ‘hard truth’ for you.

Not gamers enmasse HB, just some of them, you dislike me because you dislike a hard truth, you don't act like a normal person with regards to the hobby, you take the whole thing far, far too seriously, and since I have pointed it out to you several times, you have a childish dislike of me personally.

I mean, I don't dislike you, I just think you take the hobby too seriously, and I have pointed out to you that really taking it personally when a large company acts greedily (they almost all do) is a little silly. Its not something I bother bringing up anymore, I've been here long enough, and we wont change each others minds. Ive been accused of being a fanboy for example, and we both know that's not true either.

Its nothing personal, we just strongly disagree on that one issue, and it probably is only that one. You shouldn't feel the need to take it personally and have a go at me every chance you get because of one major disagreement.

 Glorioski wrote:
I think he goes firmly in the mentally challenged category himself actually. If he didn't have issues of his own he wouldn't feel the need to annotate his brow beating with personal tidbits like how he is a handsome socialite with impeccable hygiene and gets along with 99% of the people he ever met.

But see, I do dislike you, and I'm glad you have been insulting me all thread because that means I get to have a go back, and surely no fair minded mod would think me retorting after you being on my balls all thread will be a step to far right?

You whine incessantly because I upset you once, its embarrassing and everyone who can read knows it.... I'm better than you, so just suck it up and ignore me, we will both feel better. You wont have to cry like a child anymore, and I wont have to speak to you again.. we both win, because you are about as much fun to talk to as a sack of cabbages, and you complain more than an endlessly menstruating feminist with tourettes syndrome.

We have had about three conversations in the space of six months. Get over yourself.

Lanrak wrote:
As the average IQ of my group is 132,I voted intellegent.

I lol'd. And by lol'd I mean my mouth twitched slightly upwards.

 Glorioski wrote:
We have had about three conversations in the space of six months. Get over yourself.

Don't start mate, its embarrassing. PM if you want to have a virtual argument...

No thanks. I'm far too embarrassed.

That little ducky's going red! I can see it!

Argumentative it is then!

 daedalus wrote:

Arguably, we are though. I spend more time thinking/talking about 40k related things than I probably spend thinking about work, or anything else, really. My roommate and I literally sit around after work drinking scotch and discussing tactics, conventions, projects, and whatnot. I'm spending about 90% of my free time on a Warhammer related project and have accepted that I'm going to need to continue working on it for the next several months at the current rate.

So? Everyone should have hobbies and you’re not hurting anyone by engaging in your one.

 daedalus wrote:
Now consider all the 'horror stories' that, granted, aren't verifiable, but still get told with such frequency that I'm sure at least some of them are. Consider the people who get massive Warhammer related tattoos covering parts of their bodies difficult to conceal. Consider the hundreds of posts from people who seem to genuinely hate Mat Ward, in spite of having never met him.

That’s because stereotypes are real and unavoidable, but they don’t represent the whole.

 daedalus wrote:
I'm pretty sure "most wargamers" ARE maladjusted. Of course, I'd argue that most of everyone is maladjusted, in one way or another, but I think the initial premise is sound too.

The question becomes “what is adjusted?”. The idea that our specific subset or clique is somehow the only one that displays any of these traits is simply laughable, which is what makes the list of options the OP provided so silly.

The poll options are rather poorly done and in some cases, offensive.

 mattyrm wrote:
Not gamers enmasse HB, just some of them, you dislike me because you dislike a hard truth

No, I dislike you because you’re unusually and unnecessarily brutal in your appraisal of people. If my first real contact with you hadn’t been reading an out-of-the-blue “you have a mental condition” post in the OT forum in a thread unrelated to wargaming, then you’d probably be just another member to me. But you didn’t. You came after me, out of nowhere and without provocation or context. And I’m blessed (cursed?) with a mind that remembers pretty much everything, especially trivial things (but never important things like dates or phone numbers). So from that point forward you were tied to that comment. I don’t hold a grudge per se (it’s the Internet – what would be the point?), but I’m incapable of forgetting. Just the way my brain works.

 mattyrm wrote:
you don't act like a normal person with regards to the hobby, you take the whole thing far, far too seriously

I’ve explained why I take things seriously before, something you seemed to accept. Besides, I’m a big advocate of the mantra that is “Don’t take yourself seriously, but take what you’re doing seriously”.

 Glorioski wrote:
We have had about three conversations in the space of six months. Get over yourself.

Then perhaps it might help if next time, you didn't announce your presence in a given topic with an ad hominem argument directed at mattyrm (without so much as a whiff of on-topic comment)?

still, thanks for proving some general points about certain groups of gamers, I suppose :S

Aye thats fine mate,as I said, I do understand your point thanks to several more discussions on the matter and ive happily drawn a line under it...im far from a white knight, and ive conceded several points you have made since.

Suffice to say that I was probably making a jocular comment, or certainly didnt intend to be as rude as you think I was initially.

Like Ive said, Im good humoured mostly,its just taking the piss a bit comes out worse via keyboard!

Bolognesus wrote:
Then perhaps it might help if next time, you didn't announce your presence in a given topic with an ad hominem argument directed at mattyrm (without so much as a whiff of on-topic comment)?

Ad hominem would imply that he said "You're wrong because you're stupid". I think he just said "you're stupid". That's not an ad hominem attack.

His first post was a full on whine about how upset he was at being kicked out of OT which he used to justify his insults against the supposed typical wargamer. What do you expect people to respond with?

Of course this would all be easier if mattyrm knew how to express himself via his nemesis the keyboard and his insults looked like the good humoured joyous crack they were intended as.

 BrookM wrote:
The poll options are rather poorly done and in some cases, offensive.

/thread. Also, exalted!

Seriously. We're trying to put a relatively large group of people, all with different personalities, histories, and views, into one homogenous whole.

Take me for example: I'm attractive (according to my female friends), fairly intelligent (As and Bs in school, I write fairly well, read extensively, and I have a passion for astrophysics), and hardworking. I can also be "socially challenged", but that's because I'm an introvert - once I get to know you, I'm a big goof. I can be argumentative about anything to do with putting people into little boxes.

Kinda like the whole purpose of this thread.

_Tim?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Bolognesus wrote:
Then perhaps it might help if next time, you didn't announce your presence in a given topic with an ad hominem argument directed at mattyrm (without so much as a whiff of on-topic comment)?

Ad hominem would imply that he said "You're wrong because you're stupid". I think he just said "you're stupid". That's not an ad hominem attack.

...Yeah, right. With that history, context is everything.

Honestly, with mattyrm's usual complete and utter lack of subtlety I think it's perfectly fine to fire an opening shot like that - just don't act all butthurt when a fitting retort gets posted.

Gloriosky: giving rubber duckies the world around a bad name...

Bringing someone up on their vanity is not buthurt. This is buthurt...

 mattyrm wrote:
Aye thats fine mate,as I said, I do understand your point thanks to several more discussions on the matter and ive happily drawn a line under it...im far from a white knight, and ive conceded several points you have made since.

Suffice to say that I was probably making a jocular comment, or certainly didnt intend to be as rude as you think I was initially.

Like Ive said, Im good humoured mostly,its just taking the piss a bit comes out worse via keyboard!

Your attack on my avatar has brought me to tears, however.

Missing a t there consistently, chap
Besides, bit of a strawman argument. I wasn't talking about that. What I *was* talking about is you repeatedly injecting yourself in a topic you have nothing on topic to report in, just because you feel you somehow have to 'assert' yourself or feth what else.
...Yeah, fits the definition for me. Feel free to follow me around; I love me a good grillin

Out of the choices....

Intelligent.

However, a lot of the other options certainly apply!

 Bolognesus wrote:
Missing a t there consistently, chap
Besides, bit of a strawman argument. I wasn't talking about that. What I *was* talking about is you repeatedly injecting yourself in a topic you have nothing on topic to report in, just because you feel you somehow have to 'assert' yourself or feth what else.
...Yeah, fits the definition for me. Feel free to follow me around; I love me a good grillin

I honestly don't know where I could find the time to follow you around the forums when apparently all I do is constantly interject every thread mattyrm posts in.

FTR myself and mattyrm have only exchanged bitter words twice before. Once when I started a thread on the olympics in the OT and mattyrm decided to offer his slowed opinion. And another where I mentioned his name amongst my gripes of these forums. So where you've seen me barging into threads and 'asserting' myself "or feth what else" is beyond me.

And the OP just sits back all the while, popcorn in hand. And, presumably, a cigarette

 Bolognesus wrote:
Besides, bit of a strawman argument. I wasn't talking about that. What I *was* talking about is you repeatedly injecting yourself in a topic you have nothing on topic to report in, just because you feel you somehow have to 'assert' yourself or feth what else.

But that's not an ad hominem. That's all I was getting at!


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 Pacific wrote:
And the OP just sits back all the while, popcorn in hand. And, presumably, a cigarette

You're assuming that wasn't the whole purpose of this thread?

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 Bolognesus wrote:
Besides, bit of a strawman argument. I wasn't talking about that. What I *was* talking about is you repeatedly injecting yourself in a topic you have nothing on topic to report in, just because you feel you somehow have to 'assert' yourself or feth what else.

But that's not an ad hominem. That's all I was getting at!


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 Pacific wrote:
And the OP just sits back all the while, popcorn in hand. And, presumably, a cigarette

You're assuming that wasn't the whole purpose of this thread?

ad 1: it's implied. oh well, tenuous, I'll give you that.
ad 2: and I'm happy to give it just that. Sort of expected Glorioski to bite a bit harder; usually these sorts are more fun

Don't worry, when you can pull accusations out of your arse like you do you'll have a fair few people to go at.


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Still, I'm sorry I spelt butthurt wrong.

Ok guys, we're rapidly approaching the dawn of the RED TEXT, so let's cool our jets for a while.

Kids still say that right - "cool your jets"?

I believe it's: "take a chill pill" now, grandad.

around here, exept my group:

Autistic
Mentally Challenged
Socially Challenged
Smelly (Bad Hygiene)
Annoying (Any reason)

for real -_-

This thread... it never really had a chance, did it?