Wondering who everyone thinks the strongest pysker is
Excluding Daemons...

The Emperor, then Malcador the Sigillite.

Probably Eldrad or Ahriman. The emperor is pretty powerful too, but needs other psykers to aid him, that's why I think he isn't the strongest.

Magnus of course. But game wise ahriman

That's currently alive?
Magnus, followed by Eldrad -assuming he is alive- and then Ahriman.

All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

^^
A hive tyrant?

Arson Fire wrote:
^^
A hive tyrant?

Except Hive Tyrants are not "Psykers" by the fluff of it. It is all the Hive Mind that gives the Tyrants the Psychic ability, not the Warp.

 DeathReaper wrote:
All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

Any librarian can have Str 6 with a force stave.

My vote would have to go for arhriman.

Tigirius flawlessly predicts the movements of Hive Fleets, Waaghs, and any other enemy the Ultramarines have to deal with.

Just saying.

Crazyterran wrote:
Tigirius flawlessly predicts the movements of Hive Fleets, Waaghs, and any other enemy the Ultramarines have to deal with.

Just saying.

Eldrad created Armageddon round 3. He predicted the Fall of the Eldar and was smart enough to stay the gak away.

Magnus would also curbstomp Tigurius into the floor.

Not sure if Tzeentch counts, but he'd beat anyone mentioned so far bar possibly the Emperor.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:
Tigirius flawlessly predicts the movements of Hive Fleets, Waaghs, and any other enemy the Ultramarines have to deal with.

Just saying.

Eldrad created Armageddon round 3. He predicted the Fall of the Eldar and was smart enough to stay the gak away.

Magnus would also curbstomp Tigurius into the floor.

Not sure if Tzeentch counts, but he'd beat anyone mentioned so far bar possibly the Emperor.

Not to mention he saw the Rhana Dandra, and which of the Phoenix Lords fall last. He was pretty accurate on what happens during the Horus Heresy too.

Surely there are some very powerful rouge psykers who abuse their power?

Well humanity occasionally spits out alpha level psykers. According to the tabletop books they can crack planets and all that.

Of course the inquisition murders them promptly

 Punisher Gatling Cannon wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

Any librarian can have Str 6 with a force stave.

My vote would have to go for arhriman.

2 things about that.

1) Mephistion has that Str base, so he has Str 8 with a Force Stave.

2) Mephistion can get Str 10 through a Psychic power, or a base strength of 7, 8, or 9 with Iron Arm.

Mephistion is still stronger than arhriman, and any other psyker out there.

The Hive Mind. Overpowers the Big E's astronomican.

Njal would curb stomp them all. He stops even the biggest psychic braggart 66% of the time and can drop any of them down a hole in which they can never climb out.

The only problem is he isn't a psycher and as such isn't allowed to play.

 TheCaptain wrote:
The Hive Mind. Overpowers the Big E's astronomican.

It overpowers the Astronomican in less than 1% of the galaxy. In the other 99%...

 DeathReaper wrote:

Mephistion is still stronger than arhriman, and any other psyker out there.

The Wraithseer is a psyker and is S10 base.

reaper with no name wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:
The Hive Mind. Overpowers the Big E's astronomican.

It overpowers the Astronomican in less than 1% of the galaxy. In the other 99%...

Galaxy is infinite.

Big E has a set range. Shadow in the warp is from point X and goes on forever outward.

 TheCaptain wrote:

reaper with no name wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:
The Hive Mind. Overpowers the Big E's astronomican.

It overpowers the Astronomican in less than 1% of the galaxy. In the other 99%...

Galaxy is infinite.

Big E has a set range. Shadow in the warp is from point X and goes on forever outward.

No, Shadow in the Warp most certainly has a limited range; otherwise it'd cover the entire galaxy (which isn't infinite, btw).

We all know the most powerful Psyker is Tiguirius, in terms of fortitude. No one else can predict the Hive Fleets.

Ahriman is terms of game.

Eldrad in intelligence.

Magnus in raw physical power.

Mephiston in "RAAAAGH FETH EVERYTHING" mode.

C'tan is the strongest

 Tomten wrote:
C'tan is the strongest

That's a god!

Ok, let's say we strap every major psycher to a chair and tell them we'll let one go, whoever survives. The big E is the obvious choice. If you don't count him as alive, then the Daemoned-up Magnus has to be pretty darn strong... Ahriman and Eldrad I'd say are next. Tigurius over Mephy I'd say, in psychic ability, and both over Njal. I'd think whoever the GKs chief Libby is, must be up there. As is the Doom of Malan'tai.

C'TAN IS THE STRONGEST PSYKER


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 Tomten wrote:
C'TAN IS THE STRONGEST PSYKER


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Obvious troll is obvious.

But the Emperor is the strongest psyker

 Tomten wrote:
But the Emperor is the strongest psyker

Indeed, he is in my opinion.

 blood reaper wrote:

 Tomten wrote:
But the Emperor is the strongest psyker

Indeed, he is in my opinion.

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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

otherwise it'd cover the entire galaxy (which isn't infinite, btw).

What.

 Necroshea wrote:
Well humanity occasionally spits out alpha level psykers. According to the tabletop books they can crack planets and all that.

Of course the inquisition murders them promptly

The Apex Twins would like a word.

Mephiston is the great!

The God Emperor of Mankind!
He could crush the minds of all those mentioned here in a split-second using only a mere fraction of his power.

Or Tzeentch. He is the chaos god of sorcery after all.

The Emperor needs other psykers to help him keep the astronomican going and Tzeentch is a god.

Tzeentch isn't really a psyker though. A psyker is a mortal who can harness the powers of the Warp. Tzeentch can never enter the mortal realm so technically is not a psyker. He is more akin to a force of nature. Not a real being as we know it.

I'd have to go with the Emperor, with Magnus a close second.

 XT-1984 wrote:
Tzeentch isn't really a psyker though. A psyker is a mortal who can harness the powers of the Warp. Tzeentch can never enter the mortal realm so technically is not a psyker. He is more akin to a force of nature. Not a real being as we know it.

I'd have to go with the Emperor, with Magnus a close second.

I reckon daemon Magnus could probably take him now

I think in raw power and ability, I'd give it to Magnus. He's been pumping psychic steroids for most of his life without knowing it. The Emperor is basically fully aware, but won't play that game. Like all things in war, a psyker fight doesn't determine who is right, just who is left. Magnus would be the victor, but he'd be Tzeentchs favorite new pet from then on after.

Emperor is the only one with the will to focus the Astronomican. Magnus isn't mortal (like Tzeentch) and Eldrad's...well he's a jerk.

Emperor, obviously. Once he decided to actually go through with it he crushed Horus like an insect.

Tigurius is specifically mentioned in the fluff as being probably the second most powerful psyker in the Imperium.

Eldrad is dead but in life yes, top tier psyker

Magnus and Ahriman to round off the podium finishers.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

otherwise it'd cover the entire galaxy (which isn't infinite, btw).

What.

The Shadow in the Warp is limited in range the same way that the Astronomican is limited in range. The Milky Way Galaxy is roughly 120k light years in diameter, thus not infinite.

I'd go with Magnus for now. Though The Emperor in his days before the throne would have been up there.

I think with the Emperor its hard to tell, because we only know of one instance where he used his powers in an offensive manor to kill. Pre-Prospero fall Magnus was cut off by Sisters of Silence, the Emperor wasn't. Post fall Magnus drops out of sight for an unspecified amount of time, but upon return raised his tower, played a part in moving the TS to the planet of Sorcerers.

Eldrad being physically dead may not be over for him, so his ability to return and continue is up in the air. Soul stones carrying aspects of him are meant to be in existence.

Ahriman would quickly take top spot if he gets into the Black Library of Chaos.

Tigurius I don't rate and forsee his death in the near future. Every other psyker to come in contact with the Hive Mind has taken control of the Tyranids for a time and then lost it and become a puppet to the Hive Mind. I imagine Tigurius is the same, but he doesn't realise he is being controlled yet. If he's fed certain info to keep him in the trusted file, he will escape suspicion.

MarsNZ wrote:
Tigurius is specifically mentioned in the fluff as being probably the second most powerful psyker in the Imperium.

Not to hop on the Ultramarines Hatemachine Bandwagon, but while Tigurius may be the most power psyker in the Imperium (though I hear Mephiston is a real firecracker), he doesn't hold a candle to the hilarious Psyker disco that were the Thousand Sons captains. I want to say it was Khalophis, Captain of the 6th Fellowship (Cult of Pyrae) that turned a broken ass Reaver titan into a fire spewing harbinger of space wolf doom.....and he wasn't even the strongest in the legion.

I think in this discussion, we're comparing characters in their prime....not currently. Big E, Eldrad, Magnus, Ahriman, and Malcador all make most current psykers look like the garbage pail kids. Mephiston and Tigurius certainly rank high on the list, but I think when it comes down to raw power and ability, you are looking at Big E, Eldrad, and Magnus.

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And as SkyD pointed out, I think our boy Ahzek would go to the top should he ever find his Black Library card. It'd be like giving Andre the Giant a huge bag of coke cut with PCP and releasing him in Disney World.

IMHO, the tiers goes like this:

1. The Emperor (I frankly find this inarguable)
2. Magnus the Red
3. Lorgar (Keep in mind that he was able to mentally duel Magnus from the other side of the galaxy, and telepathically command Horus. He is a very powerful psyker), Eldrad, Malcador, Ahriman
4. Various Alpha Plus Psykers seen occasionally, like the Apex Twins, or the Burning Princess
5. Chief-Librarians like Tigurius, Mephiston, or Njal (Killing a Bloodthirster psychically is no small feat, I wouldn't count him out when put against the likes of Meph or Tigurius)

I think if Ahriman gets into the Black Library , we will all be singing different tunes.

Station's Creation wrote:
I think if Ahriman gets into the Black Library , we will all be singing different tunes.

Anyone who gets into the Black library would be the strongest psyker.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

otherwise it'd cover the entire galaxy (which isn't infinite, btw).

What.

Galaxies live inside the universe.
Galaxy = finite
Universe = infinite

Nerobellum wrote:
... all make most current psykers look like the garbage pail kids.

rofllmao
I haven't thought about garbage pail kids in years. That one made me giggle.

It's clearly draigo, he lives in the warp and fights demons 8 days a week!

the emperor is dead and fight daemons

haroon wrote:
It's clearly draigo, he lives in the warp and fights demons 8 days a week!

To be fair this may be a fair enough point. Very few are capable of becoming the best GK ever ( it states he rose fast and won awards unsupassed). And not a lot of GKs, never mind other psykers, could jusy stroll around the Warp without every Daemon and his Devildog on his back.

 Deadshot wrote:

haroon wrote:
It's clearly draigo, he lives in the warp and fights demons 8 days a week!

To be fair this may be a fair enough point. Very few are capable of becoming the best GK ever ( it states he rose fast and won awards unsupassed). And not a lot of GKs, never mind other psykers, could jusy stroll around the Warp without every Daemon and his Devildog on his back.

But he isnt the strongest psyker

You know, I heard Maugan Ra went for a walkie into the warp to rescue a whole craftworld coming out a millennium later unscathed and he isn't even a proper psyker. I don't see draigo doing that.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
You know, I heard Maugan Ra went for a walkie into the warp to rescue a whole craftworld coming out a millennium later unscathed and he isn't even a proper psyker. I don't see draigo doing that.

He is an Eldar.

Exactly, and every Eldar are psykers in their own right. Draigo is a mega awesome cheese marine, so he would have better chances in the warp.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Exactly, and every Eldar are psykers in their own right. Draigo is a mega awesome cheese marine, so he would have better chances in the warp.

The Emperor is better.

Actually, thinking on Ahriman, do any of the books show him using full power? I don't think he ever did on Prospero during the purging of the world. He was more commonly seen keeping himself in control of it, never going full force like the others who would then go on to mutate. He definitely doesn't in Atlas Infernal but is able to wear and make another marine appear to be him.

I can only really think of 2 points where he is shown using more than the norm. Helping to Move the surviving TS to the planet of the sorcerers and when he uses the Rubric.

I think with Grey Knights its not so much just the psyker ability that makes them strong but their full faith in the Emperor and being clad in armour with anti-daemonic wards, as well as having them all over their bodies and I believe under their skin. Draigo probably has the wards memorised so like reforging his blade within the warp, he knows how to replace the wards.

 Tomten wrote:

The Emperor is better.

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I can't believe Typhus is not mentioned what other psyker has the power to create endless hordes of the undead, after all who cares about what those loyalists can do when you can bring the dead back to life and overwhelm those psykers with endless Zombies plus he is the host of the destroyer hive the most deadliest plague ever which corrupted the Death Guard

(on another note didn't Maugan-Ra fight alone against a Tyranid swarm from Hive Fleet Leviathan and single-handedly wipe it out, like to see Draigo do that )

 GhostKnight31 wrote:
I can't believe Typhus is not mentioned what other psyker has the power to create endless hordes of the undead, after all who cares about what those loyalists can do when you can bring the dead back to life and overwhelm those psykers with endless Zombies plus he is the host of the destroyer hive the most deadliest plague ever which corrupted the Death Guard

(on another note didn't Maugan-Ra fight alone against a Tyranid swarm from Hive Fleet Leviathan and single-handedly wipe it out, like to see Draigo do that )

Plague Zombies are a virus, they can be created through sorcery but at heart it's a virus.

 blood reaper wrote:

 GhostKnight31 wrote:
I can't believe Typhus is not mentioned what other psyker has the power to create endless hordes of the undead, after all who cares about what those loyalists can do when you can bring the dead back to life and overwhelm those psykers with endless Zombies plus he is the host of the destroyer hive the most deadliest plague ever which corrupted the Death Guard

(on another note didn't Maugan-Ra fight alone against a Tyranid swarm from Hive Fleet Leviathan and single-handedly wipe it out, like to see Draigo do that )

Plague Zombies are a virus, they can be created through sorcery but at heart it's a virus.

Whatv kind of virus?

The same sort of virus as in zombie films if you get bitten you become one...

Ok but still how can a virus turn a human into a zombie?

'Cause Chaos? You don't need to be a pysker to be mutated or turn others into zombies.

Or were you seriously asking what legitimate ways a virus can turn a person into a flesh eating husk with no personality or morals ignoring most injuries save decapitation/brain injury?

*edited for spelling

 Tomten wrote:
Ok but still how can a virus turn a human into a zombie?

A Zombie Virus.

 Tomten wrote:
Ok but still how can a virus turn a human into a zombie?

Theoretically speaking A Virus could have a cytopathogenic effect on certain host cells and kill them off. leaving other functioning cells that keep working.

The virus could attack the brain cells that contain the cognitive thinking function of the brain killing them off. we would be left with basic instinct, Hunger, which naturally we would lurch towards the closest and most abundant food source, Humans.

While not physically dead, our thought process would be non-existent and thus we would be partially brain dead, and classified as a Zombie, as our basic instincts would take over.

Hooray!

i thought that zombies were dead humans?

Infected/dead humans who cares

Considering Big E is holding off four gods (more if you count the c'tan and avatar) I'd say he's the strongest psyker at the moment. All though I might be crediting him with the work of the entire Imperium.

Ravenor ftw!

Aetaos'rau'keres, the Slayer of Souls is probably amongst the most powerful psykers in the 40k universe, although as a daemon he is a creature of the warp and not truly a psyker.

I don't think so he's really powerful but not Magnus or emperor level...

Living Psyker?

Well...from an Imperium perspective, the Emperor for being able to hold off all 4 Chaos gods (to a reasonable extent)

If you count the Chaos Gods themselves, Tzeentch is up there (assuming it is a psyker. I never read anything saying it isn't so im assuming it is one)...

EDIT: Decided to make Tzeentch gender neutral even though I think the Chaos Gods are all guys (except Slaneesh, I have read it's a girl somewhere)

Really I read slannesh was male but could assume a female form. I'm guessing khorne and nurgle are also male but I would describe tzeetch is an "it"

Slaanesh is whatever it damn pleases...

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Slaanesh is whatever it damn pleases...

Actually, whatever the viewer pleases. Slaanesh is god of pleasure and as such whatever looks upon it sees what they envision as the perfect person.

At least I read that somewhere.

 Deadshot wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Slaanesh is whatever it damn pleases...

Actually, whatever the viewer pleases. Slaanesh is god of pleasure and as such whatever looks upon it sees what they envision as the perfect person.

At least I read that somewhere.

Yeah I think that's basically it but slaanesh defiantly isnt the strongest psyker...

God no. I would have to say the Emperor. For the reason he obliterated Horus entirely, in the Warp. No other being has been able to destroy a Warp Essence. And it didn't even kill him, it was the physical damage Horus did that put him on the throne.

Well we will see when the Magnus rules are eventually released!

 Deadshot wrote:
God no. I would have to say the Emperor. For the reason he obliterated Horus entirely, in the Warp. No other being has been able to destroy a Warp Essence. And it didn't even kill him, it was the physical damage Horus did that put him on the throne.

Eisenhorn has done that, lol.

Never to a being as monstrously powerful as Horus doped on Chaos, sure, but he has done it.

The Holocaust psychic power is also capable of it.

 DeathReaper wrote:
All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

Any Wraithseer would, by your logic, be the strongest psyker at STR 10.

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

Any Wraithseer would, by your logic, be the strongest psyker at STR 10.

How would Furioso Librarian dreads factor in?

 Nerobellum wrote:

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

Any Wraithseer would, by your logic, be the strongest psyker at STR 10.

How would Furioso Librarian dreads factor in?

They're only S6 base.

I can't believe that no one has mentioned yet how hard it would be to choose an overall strongest psyker. In 40k, there are different disciplines, each having better psykers.
For example, Mephiston may be a death machine, but when it comes to Divination, Tigurius beats pretty much everyone bar Eldrad without even trying. Telepathy, again something Tigurius would beat everyone at (assuming he DID crack the Hive Mind). But if we look to, say, Biomancy, then we're in the realm of someone else.
Look at the Thousand Sons, different cults had their own specialities and were adept at what they did, but some were pretty naff at everything else.

Tigurius and Mephistopelis couldn't hold a candle to Magnus or Arhiman in any discipline...
I could use Njal the stormcaller (who ripped a bloodthirster with a p-blast ) in the same manner you used T and M - but Magnus and Ahriman are on the another level...

FormlessDragon wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

otherwise it'd cover the entire galaxy (which isn't infinite, btw).

What.

Galaxies live inside the universe.
Galaxy = finite
Universe = infinite

Nerobellum wrote:
... all make most current psykers look like the garbage pail kids.

rofllmao
I haven't thought about garbage pail kids in years. That one made me giggle.

The universe doesnt actually go on for ever. The proof is in the fact that it had a beginning. Since it has a beginning it may eternally approach infinity, but since it has a measurable edge (granted its reeeeeally huge) it is not truly an infinity

wopes wrong forum

 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
I can't believe that no one has mentioned yet how hard it would be to choose an overall strongest psyker. In 40k, there are different disciplines, each having better psykers.
For example, Mephiston may be a death machine, but when it comes to Divination, Tigurius beats pretty much everyone bar Eldrad without even trying. Telepathy, again something Tigurius would beat everyone at (assuming he DID crack the Hive Mind). But if we look to, say, Biomancy, then we're in the realm of someone else.
Look at the Thousand Sons, different cults had their own specialities and were adept at what they did, but some were pretty naff at everything else.

I guess it is a good thing that Magnus is explicitly a high level master and better at every discipline than any of his sons.

I would agree with that, I have heard people claiming Ahriman is on a par with Magnus. For those people just read battle of the fang... Just read it.

I seem to recall DoM destroying an entire eldar craftworld.
By devouring their souls.
All by himself.
Just for the hell of it.
On a Tuesday.

reaverX wrote:
I seem to recall DoM destroying an entire eldar craftworld.
By devouring their souls.
All by himself.
Just for the hell of it.
On a Tuesday.

And that was just lunch.

 TheCaptain wrote:

reaper with no name wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:
The Hive Mind. Overpowers the Big E's astronomican.

It overpowers the Astronomican in less than 1% of the galaxy. In the other 99%...

Galaxy is infinite.

Big E has a set range. Shadow in the warp is from point X and goes on forever outward.

The hive mind is only in charge of the tyranids "scout fleet". The one that controls the main invasion will be much more powerful. Luckily, it hasn't reached the Milky Way galaxy yet, but when it does, we're all fethed!

 Archon Tobias wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:

reaper with no name wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:
The Hive Mind. Overpowers the Big E's astronomican.

It overpowers the Astronomican in less than 1% of the galaxy. In the other 99%...

Galaxy is infinite.

Big E has a set range. Shadow in the warp is from point X and goes on forever outward.

The hive mind is only in charge of the tyranids "scout fleet". The one that controls the main invasion will be much more powerful. Luckily, it hasn't reached the Milky Way galaxy yet, but when it does, we're all fethed!

Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine, semi-rant incoming.

Can we please stop pretending that we know anything about the Hive Mind and the extra-galactical Tyranids? For all we know the current Nid force is an elite vanguard, with the remaining 'Nids being the equivalent of oil tankers or freighters ferrying food for the Hive Fleet. We have absolutely no idea how the extra-galactic 'Nids or the Hive Mind works! /endrant

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Archon Tobias wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:

reaper with no name wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:
The Hive Mind. Overpowers the Big E's astronomican.

It overpowers the Astronomican in less than 1% of the galaxy. In the other 99%...

Galaxy is infinite.

Big E has a set range. Shadow in the warp is from point X and goes on forever outward.

The hive mind is only in charge of the tyranids "scout fleet". The one that controls the main invasion will be much more powerful. Luckily, it hasn't reached the Milky Way galaxy yet, but when it does, we're all fethed!

Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine, semi-rant incoming.

Can we please stop pretending that we know anything about the Hive Mind and the extra-galactical Tyranids? For all we know the current Nid force is an elite vanguard, with the remaining 'Nids being the equivalent of oil tankers or freighters ferrying food for the Hive Fleet. We have absolutely no idea how the extra-galactic 'Nids or the Hive Mind works! /endrant

I can't remember exactly but it has been hinted at that that the current tyranids are only the small vanguard.

BaconUprising wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Archon Tobias wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:

reaper with no name wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:
The Hive Mind. Overpowers the Big E's astronomican.

It overpowers the Astronomican in less than 1% of the galaxy. In the other 99%...

Galaxy is infinite.

Big E has a set range. Shadow in the warp is from point X and goes on forever outward.

The hive mind is only in charge of the tyranids "scout fleet". The one that controls the main invasion will be much more powerful. Luckily, it hasn't reached the Milky Way galaxy yet, but when it does, we're all fethed!

Sorry, but this is a pet peeve of mine, semi-rant incoming.

Can we please stop pretending that we know anything about the Hive Mind and the extra-galactical Tyranids? For all we know the current Nid force is an elite vanguard, with the remaining 'Nids being the equivalent of oil tankers or freighters ferrying food for the Hive Fleet. We have absolutely no idea how the extra-galactic 'Nids or the Hive Mind works! /endrant

I can't remember exactly but it has been hinted at that that the current tyranids are only the small vanguard.

Yes, there's a load of fluff about how the majority of 'Nids haven't arrived yet. That's all we know though, we don't actually know anything else about the extra-galactic 'Nids (other than the fact that they're supposedly fleeing from somehing, which I'm not sure is current fluff anymore).

BaconUprising wrote:
I would agree with that, I have heard people claiming Ahriman is on a par with Magnus. For those people just read battle of the fang... Just read it.

maybe not - but still Ahriman is +1 psyker in any discipline to IoM top librarians...

 Deadshot wrote:
God no. I would have to say the Emperor. For the reason he obliterated Horus entirely, in the Warp. No other being has been able to destroy a Warp Essence. And it didn't even kill him, it was the physical damage Horus did that put him on the throne.

Theres something called True Death.
Were the creatures are actually killed and destroyed. forever.
No coming back.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/True_Death#.UPBB5x08DTo

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
God no. I would have to say the Emperor. For the reason he obliterated Horus entirely, in the Warp. No other being has been able to destroy a Warp Essence. And it didn't even kill him, it was the physical damage Horus did that put him on the throne.

Theres something called True Death.
Were the creatures are actually killed and destroyed. forever.
No coming back.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/True_Death#.UPBB5x08DTo

And the emperor managed to do it to Horus's soul,

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

Any Wraithseer would, by your logic, be the strongest psyker at STR 10.

What codex are they in?

 DarthMarko wrote:
Tigurius and Mephistopelis couldn't hold a candle to Magnus or Arhiman in any discipline...
I could use Njal the stormcaller (who ripped a bloodthirster with a p-blast ) in the same manner you used T and M - but Magnus and Ahriman are on the another level...

I just wanted to note that I agree with Njal.

In terms of projection of energy and manipulation of the world, Njal is pretty much tops as far as loyalist Marines go, that aren't Grey Knights (Prognosticars and gak man).

Mephiston is tops in terms of turning himself into an unstoppable murder train (Biomancy or some gak? I forget the Blood Angel power fluff). Tigurius is peerless in Divination and Telepathy, and Njal is pretty much numero uno in terms of what I presume to be a form of telekinesis or pyromancy or something.

Njal Is often overlooked in these kinds of threads.

 DeathReaper wrote:

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

Any Wraithseer would, by your logic, be the strongest psyker at STR 10.

What codex are they in?

IA:A 2nd edition. It's a psyker Wraithlord.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 DarthMarko wrote:
Tigurius and Mephistopelis couldn't hold a candle to Magnus or Arhiman in any discipline...
I could use Njal the stormcaller (who ripped a bloodthirster with a p-blast ) in the same manner you used T and M - but Magnus and Ahriman are on the another level...

I just wanted to note that I agree with Njal.

In terms of projection of energy and manipulation of the world, Njal is pretty much tops as far as loyalist Marines go, that aren't Grey Knights (Prognosticars and gak man).

Mephiston is tops in terms of turning himself into an unstoppable murder train (Biomancy or some gak? I forget the Blood Angel power fluff). Tigurius is peerless in Divination and Telepathy, and Njal is pretty much numero uno in terms of what I presume to be a form of telekinesis or pyromancy or something.

Njal Is often overlooked in these kinds of threads.

I would say this is accurate. I agree with the Njal statement, I think space wolves have the best telekinesis you can get. I think blood angels are a mix between telepathy and biomancy as they do augment strength however for example wings of sanguinius is a psychic belief that they have them.

Yeah, even the greatest psykers typically are only super amazing at one or two disciplines.

Only a few, like Ahriman, Magnus, or whoever, are exceptional at everything.

The doom of malantai. So psychic it floats can be strength ten and pretty much destroyed an eldar planet singlehandedly by eating there souls

The Emperor. Sure he might need assistance to stay alive now, but the fact remains, no other entity, not even the Tyranid fleets, can do what he does every day.

 DeathReaper wrote:

Arson Fire wrote:
^^
A hive tyrant?

Except Hive Tyrants are not "Psykers" by the fluff of it. It is all the Hive Mind that gives the Tyrants the Psychic ability, not the Warp.

The hive mind is a warp entity, so that's not necessarily that relevant.

Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms and was never able to branch out from there until the birth of Slaanesh calmed the Warp Storms.

You would figure a being that is touted by many on this board as being the most powerful psyker ever would be able to slap a Warp Storm around long enough to get the great crusade started. But he wasn't able to do so.

People always say Eldar psykers are around tier 3 or so, usually behind the likes of Malcador and the Emperor, followed often by Magnus and sometimes by Mephiston.

Yet Eldar psykers were without doubt THE most powerful psykers for millenia. Right up until the birth of slaanesh. They have developed their entire society to run off of psychic machinery. They were so powerful that no race in the entire galaxy posed a serious threat to them.

So in the total fluff I would give the most powerful psyker award to Eldrad.



He could do what the Emperor is doing with the Astronomicon, but because the Eldar have the webway he doesn't need to. There is no need for it.

Eldrad does have access to the Black Library. He is after all an Eldar.

And during the 13th Black Crusade, Eldrad did guide the Eldar all across the galaxy by splitting his soul and putting portions of it into waystones that were spread between many Eldar strike forces. And he didn't need souls of other living creatures to do it.

He doesn't need a high strength because he wounds anyone on a 2+ and they get no armour save.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms

... and later on, he was said to calm or cause warp stroms through his psychic power. So apparently he got stronger.

So why didn't he do that to start the great crusade then? He isn't the most powerful psyker ever...All the fluff has him as the most powerful HUMAN psyker, not the most powerful psyker...


That is a huge difference.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
So why didn't he do that to start the great crusade then? He isn't the most powerful psyker ever...All the fluff has him as the most powerful HUMAN psyker, not the most powerful psyker...


That is a huge difference.

The Emperor caused the Chaos gods to flee his might, because they feared that he would be able to destroy him, when he hulked out on Horus.

He started the Crusade when he was ready to. He had to build his legions first. It took decades to centuries to build up the required strength to accomplish his goals. He knew of the coming of Slaanesh, and the effect it would have on the whole of the warp, and planned to coincide his Crusade with the calming of the warp. Furthermore, it coincided with the fall of the Eldar empire, making his Crusade that much easier to accomplish. Why face such a foe when he knew they would be shortly destroyed by their own excesses.

The Emperor was the strongest Psyker to step foot in the galaxy, that has long been established fluff.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
So why didn't he do that to start the great crusade then?

Do actually bother to read posts you respond to.

 Melissia wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms

... and later on, he was said to calm or cause warp stroms through his psychic power. So apparently he got stronger.

djones520 wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
So why didn't he do that to start the great crusade then? He isn't the most powerful psyker ever...All the fluff has him as the most powerful HUMAN psyker, not the most powerful psyker...


That is a huge difference.

The Emperor caused the Chaos gods to flee his might, because they feared that he would be able to destroy him, when he hulked out on Horus.

Citation needed...
The only story ( i know of ) which describes the battle between the carriongod and Horus fails to mention any motivation for the chaosgods's retreat from Horus.
Isn't it much more likely that they forsook their pawn just like they left thousands of other pawns which failed them?

 Melissia wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
So why didn't he do that to start the great crusade then?

Do actually bother to read posts you respond to.

 Melissia wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms

... and later on, he was said to calm or cause warp stroms through his psychic power. So apparently he got stronger.

Yeah, I bothered to read it. I just don't agree with it. I think it is a lame excuse as to why he didn't stop the warp storms considering he is supposed to be the most powerful human alive. He should have been powerful enough to do so long before his encarceration in the golden throne.

Hmm. Old fluff was better, in that respect. Way back when, the Eldar birthed Slaanesh and lost their empire before Humanity ever travelled to the stars.
In fact, it was their excesses (eventually culminating in the birth of Slaanesh) which caused the greater turmoil in the Warp which caused the Shamans (Shamen?) to pool their collective psyhic might into the being called the Emperor rather than be eaten while awaiting rebirth in the Warp.
All of which used to have happened before recorded history began.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
So why didn't he do that to start the great crusade then?

Do actually bother to read posts you respond to.

 Melissia wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms

... and later on, he was said to calm or cause warp stroms through his psychic power. So apparently he got stronger.

Yeah, I bothered to read it. I just don't agree with it. I think it is a lame excuse as to why he didn't stop the warp storms considering he is supposed to be the most powerful human alive. He should have been powerful enough to do so long before his encarceration in the golden throne.

Because apparently according to you no one can increase in strength and skill over time.

Congratulations on directly contradicting the lore.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms and was never able to branch out from there until the birth of Slaanesh calmed the Warp Storms.

You would figure a being that is touted by many on this board as being the most powerful psyker ever would be able to slap a Warp Storm around long enough to get the great crusade started. But he wasn't able to do so.

Yeah man, he couldn't halt galaxy-wide Warp Storms caused by the creation of a new Chaos God, what a friggin' PUSSY!

Do you believe Eldrad could have done so?

Your argument is gross, it is based on a flawed premise. "Oh, the Emperor couldn't destroy a galaxy-wide Warp Storm caused by the birth of a Chaos God? If he can't do that, he can't be the most powerful psyker."

Mind showing me where any psyker has managed a feat like that?

People always say Eldar psykers are around tier 3 or so, usually behind the likes of Malcador and the Emperor, followed often by Magnus and sometimes by Mephiston.

Anyone who believes that Malcador is above Magnus does not know what they are talking about lol.

Yet Eldar psykers were without doubt THE most powerful psykers for millenia. Right up until the birth of slaanesh. They have developed their entire society to run off of psychic machinery. They were so powerful that no race in the entire galaxy posed a serious threat to them.

Another flawed premise. Their psychic abilities, while formidable, are not the sole reason why they were the most powerful race in the galaxy.

So in the total fluff I would give the most powerful psyker award to Eldrad.

That guy who ran away from Fulgrim in fear?

He could do what the Emperor is doing with the Astronomicon

Validate this statement.

Eldrad does have access to the Black Library. He is after all an Eldar.

And? Are you implying that he makes use of the sorcery within some of the knowledge there?

And during the 13th Black Crusade, Eldrad did guide the Eldar all across the galaxy by splitting his soul and putting portions of it into waystones that were spread between many Eldar strike forces. And he didn't need souls of other living creatures to do it.

He split his soul before a single battle at Ulthwe, coordinating the defenses. I am not sure what your point here is.

The Emperor was psychically devastating the Realm of Chaos when he was walking around. Now, he holds the bulk of Chaos from collapsing the veil and spilling into the materium.

He doesn't need a high strength because he wounds anyone on a 2+ and they get no armour save.

@ Melissia, you're welcome. Since GW does tell everyone that all of the fluff is and is not canon at the same time, I can do that. Because what you say is canon and is not canon.

I choose to believe the older canon stuff, not this new garbage they come up with. And based off of that he is not, nor has he ever been THE most powerful psyker. What he has been is THE most powerful HUMAN psyker. The Old Ones were the most powerful psykers. Followed by the Eldar, then by the Emperor.

That is the canon I choose to believe and it in no way contradicts the established fluff because all of the fluff is canon and not canon at the same time.

@Void Dragon...Considering the chaos gods are supposedly afraid of the emperor because he would destroy them as another poster so equolenty put it, yeah, what a pussy!...If he could destroy the 4 chaos powers then a warp storm should have been a breeze for someone so powerful right?

It's BS. He's never been so powerful that he could destroy the chaos gods.

Do I think Eldrad could have done it? no, because it was caused by the Eldar and he is an Eldar. But I do believe the Old Ones could have done it.

And knowing that the Eldar were the most powerful psykers for millenia is not a flawed premise, It is an established fact in the Eldar and Dark Eldar codexes. They ruled the galaxy for millenia with virtually no one being a threat to them. They developed their technology to be based on psychic abilities. They used that tech to rule the galaxy. Their Psychic powers were formidable, you are right, and because of that they used them to develop their tech. And their tech is what helped them to rule the galaxy. That is not a flawed premise at all.

And you are not being truthful about Eldrad vs Fulgrim at all. Eldrad was a young farseer then. And Fulgriim was a primarch backed with the powers of chaos. A very formidable opponent indeed. Eldrad didn't run in fear, he strategically withdrew. You guys always make it sound like he was a coward and ran from the fight. Instead, he knew he did not have the physical might to destroy Fulgrim so he withdrew. That is far from being a coward and running away like a sissy. In real life, some of the greatest generals in history withdrew when they knew they could not defeat a strong opponent. Does that make them a sissy? not in my book.

Validate Eldrad being able to do what the Emperor does with the Astronomicon? Because the emperor isn't doing it, the chair is.

And my point about Eldrad having access to the black library was in response to the person that said any psyker that has access to the black library is going to be more powerful...yeah, sometimes Eldrad does use knowledge from the black library.

Nowhere in 40k does it say that psykers cannot grow in power and skill in time goes on. In many places in 40k it is explicitly stated that they do. Indeed, if your argument is that the Emperor is merely a powerful human psyker, then growing in to his power and learning to use it to its fullest over time rather than instantly is the only possible way for him to go, making your objection even more nonsensical and contradictory to both itself and 40k's lore.

tl;dr: Stop making gak up, Roadkill Zombie.

I never said they couldn't grow in power Melissia. quote me anywhere saying that they couldn't. I've never said they don't grow in power. What I did say is the Emperor isn't the most powerful psyker.

And from all that I have read about him, he didn't grow in power, he just redirected his power. When his physical body died, he didn't have to concentrate on being alive anymore, all he had to do now was bend his will to stopping the chaos gods from destroying mankind.

I know psykers can grow in power, after all, that is exactly what Eldrad did.

you are the one that keeps insisting I said they don't grow in power and I never said that.

Eldrad can't be stronger than the Emperor. Slaanesh ate Eldrad, the Emperor beat all four Chaos Gods at their own game simltaneously. Now, obviously, if we ignore every bit of fluff that supports the Emperor then he won't be the strongest...

For what it's worth, there's always the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath. Let's see Eldrad do that from across the Galaxy in his current state.

 Melissia wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
So why didn't he do that to start the great crusade then?

Do actually bother to read posts you respond to.

 Melissia wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms

... and later on, he was said to calm or cause warp stroms through his psychic power. So apparently he got stronger.

Yeah, I bothered to read it. I just don't agree with it. I think it is a lame excuse as to why he didn't stop the warp storms considering he is supposed to be the most powerful human alive. He should have been powerful enough to do so long before his encarceration in the golden throne.

Because apparently according to you no one can increase in strength and skill over time.

Congratulations on directly contradicting the lore.

It is also possible he in his own right got stronger and more familiar with his skills because more people started to believe in him.

 Asherian Command wrote:
It is also possible he in his own right got stronger and more familiar with his skills because more people started to believe in him.

It is possible. The warp is a weird place and their belief may have made him using his powers easier, for example. But that's really no different from Eldrad using a psychically active staff to enhance his power, a Weirdboy using a big mob of Boyz, or a Zoanthrope making use of the power of the Hive warp presence to enhance its own psychic power.

I've always wondered how powerful a warp/weirdboy could get say like 1million orks clustered as close as possible. How strong could he get before his head just blew up?

BaconUprising wrote:
I've always wondered how powerful a warp/weirdboy could get say like 1million orks clustered as close as possible. How strong could he get before his head just blew up?

He would probably explode. All those voices.

 DeathReaper wrote:

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

Any Wraithseer would, by your logic, be the strongest psyker at STR 10.

What codex are they in?

They are HQ choices for Codex: Eldar. You can find their listing on the FW website I believe and I am certain you'll find their info if you look in IA11.

@Roadkill

I'm very confused with your standards, hope you can help me clarify. You say that Eldrad retreating from Fulgrim was a rational, intelligent tactical decision on his part. I completely agree. But then you say that the Emperor staying on Earth and building up his strength for the Crusade was somehow a sign of his lack of power. Why isn't that also a rational, intelligent strategic decision on the Emperor's part? The Emperor had a very specific plan that was going to take an extremely long time to implement. He had the most intimate knowledge of the Warp of any human. He knew that the Forces of Chaos derive their power from the material realm. He was creating an Imperial Webway project specifically so humanity could travel through the stars without having to use the Warp. He didn't want to leave Earth to go fight them, he set up a very long-term and detailed plan to annihilate them for good by eliminating belief in them. And he almost got away with it, too, if it weren't for those meddling Traitor Legions!

tl;dr the Emperor chilling on Earth to build up his strength should be a credit to his foresight, not a slight on his Psyker abilities.

The only way I can see people disputing the Emperor as the most powerful psyker is if you choose to call him a god and thus disqualified from consideration. He has been in uninterrupted psychic combat with all the Chaos Gods for 10,000 years with only his MIND. Astropaths are created from the Soul-Binding, a ritual that exposes them to a tiny portion of the Emperor's power, and those that survive have their soul cleansed of any warp taint and their psychic powers greatly enhanced.

 Melissia wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Well fluff has always had the big E as the most powerful HUMAN psyker to have ever lived. But that does not in any way make him the most powerful psyker. While the Emperor keeps the beacon alive, in his prime he was stuck on earth because of Warp Storms

... and later on, he was said to calm or cause warp stroms through his psychic power. So apparently he got stronger.

From WH40K wiki:

The Emperor is the "New Man", the first and greatest of the new race of human psykers. He is also the collective reincarnation of the extinct shamans, sorcerers and wise-men who had guided primitive humanity during prehistoric times. As the Emperor grew older his powers began to manifest themselves and become more potent and he gradually remembered his thousands of past lives, adding all of their knowledge and experience to his own.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:I never said they couldn't grow in power Melissia. quote me anywhere saying that they couldn't. I've never said they don't grow in power. What I did say is the Emperor isn't the most powerful psyker.

You're right, you didn't say that. You did, however, use this as an excuse for Eldrad's actions but not for the Emperor.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:@Void Dragon...Considering the chaos gods are supposedly afraid of the emperor because he would destroy them as another poster so equolenty put it, yeah, what a pussy!...If he could destroy the 4 chaos powers then a warp storm should have been a breeze for someone so powerful right?

It's BS. He's never been so powerful that he could destroy the chaos gods.

Nobody said he would destroy them with Psychic powers. As I said above, his plan was to destroy them by eliminating their source of power in the material word, ie chaos worship, and the Chaos gods knew that and were so scared they tried to ruin his plan by scattering the Primarchs and then the Horus Hersey itself. Per 40k wiki, "The Chaos Gods themselves recognised the Emperor as their greatest enemy among all the intelligent beings of the galaxy."

Roadkill Zombie wrote:And knowing that the Eldar were the most powerful psykers for millenia is not a flawed premise, It is an established fact in the Eldar and Dark Eldar codexes. They ruled the galaxy for millenia with virtually no one being a threat to them. They developed their technology to be based on psychic abilities. They used that tech to rule the galaxy. Their Psychic powers were formidable, you are right, and because of that they used them to develop their tech. And their tech is what helped them to rule the galaxy. That is not a flawed premise at all.

It's absolutely a flawed premise because the question is "Who is the most powerful Psyker?" not "Which race as a whole has the most intimate knowledge of Psychic abilities?". A civilization that adapted psychic abilities into their technology does not make them the most powerful psykers de facto, either. You're arguing a different question. By your own list in answer to the most powerful individual, you listed two entire civilizations (which were both annihilated by Forces of Chaos) ahead of the Emperor (who is considered by the Chaos gods themselves to be their biggest threat), but no individuals. So I guess your answer is the Emperor after all?

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

Any Wraithseer would, by your logic, be the strongest psyker at STR 10.

What codex are they in?

They are HQ choices for Codex: Eldar. You can find their listing on the FW website I believe and I am certain you'll find their info if you look in IA11.

So they are not actually in a codex. but in the IA book. Got it.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
@ Melissia, you're welcome. Since GW does tell everyone that all of the fluff is and is not canon at the same time, I can do that. Because what you say is canon and is not canon.

I choose to believe the older canon stuff, not this new garbage they come up with. And based off of that he is not, nor has he ever been THE most powerful psyker. What he has been is THE most powerful HUMAN psyker. The Old Ones were the most powerful psykers. Followed by the Eldar, then by the Emperor.

That is the canon I choose to believe and it in no way contradicts the established fluff because all of the fluff is canon and not canon at the same time.

It's pretty easy to claim the Emperor is not the most powerful psyker in the galaxy when you ignore every single reason he is.

Frankly, applying GW's attitude on canon to a forum discussion is idiotic.

There can't actually be a discussion if you just cherry-pick what you like and ignore what you dislike. The most rational course of action is to go for the general average.

@Void Dragon...Considering the chaos gods are supposedly afraid of the emperor because he would destroy them as another poster so equolenty put it, yeah, what a pussy!...If he could destroy the 4 chaos powers then a warp storm should have been a breeze for someone so powerful right?

It's BS. He's never been so powerful that he could destroy the chaos gods.

Both the Collected Visions HH artbook and the HH series have stated he, in fact, was powerful enough to devastate the Realms of Chaos... Over time. He could not just decide "I'm gonna destroy Chaos", make a thought, and then do it, no, but he is capable of much more than Eldrad.

Do I think Eldrad could have done it? no, because it was caused by the Eldar and he is an Eldar. But I do believe the Old Ones could have done it.

Eldrad isn't an Old One, and the Old Ones have done... Well, really nothing of psychic note that is explicitly the result of raw psychic power.

And knowing that the Eldar were the most powerful psykers for millenia is not a flawed premise, It is an established fact in the Eldar and Dark Eldar codexes. They ruled the galaxy for millenia with virtually no one being a threat to them. They developed their technology to be based on psychic abilities. They used that tech to rule the galaxy. Their Psychic powers were formidable, you are right, and because of that they used them to develop their tech. And their tech is what helped them to rule the galaxy. That is not a flawed premise at all.

They had no competition. The Orks have powerful psykers, but of a rather different sort than the Eldar, and most Orks can't actively tap into it. Humanity had very very few, besides the Emperor, who was always in the shadows, planning for his Great Crusade.

That they intertwined their tech with their powers does not make their psychic power necessarily greater than someone who does not.

And you are not being truthful about Eldrad vs Fulgrim at all. Eldrad was a young farseer then. And Fulgriim was a primarch backed with the powers of chaos. A very formidable opponent indeed. Eldrad didn't run in fear, he strategically withdrew. You guys always make it sound like he was a coward and ran from the fight. Instead, he knew he did not have the physical might to destroy Fulgrim so he withdrew. That is far from being a coward and running away like a sissy. In real life, some of the greatest generals in history withdrew when they knew they could not defeat a strong opponent. Does that make them a sissy? not in my book.

I do not believe Eldrad was a coward to flee. He would have been fething stupid not to, after seeing Fulgrim punch right through the head of a Wraithlord. And feeling fear is not cowardly in of itself.

Fair point on the notion that he likely grew in power however.

Validate Eldrad being able to do what the Emperor does with the Astronomicon? Because the emperor isn't doing it, the chair is.

lol

No, you're wrong, sorry.

The sacrifice of psykers fuels the Astronomicon, the Emperor's psychic might directs and controls that power. And holding back Chaos? All the Emperor. He did it during the Battle of Terra, holding back the tide of Chaos from spilling into his throne room and overrunning Terra from within, and he does it now on a galaxy-wide scale, as per at least the last two rulebooks.

And my point about Eldrad having access to the black library was in response to the person that said any psyker that has access to the black library is going to be more powerful...yeah, sometimes Eldrad does use knowledge from the black library.

Can you prove that statement? I've never heard of Eldrad using the Black Library, like, at all.

Im sorry but it's not the chair. If it was the chair then why when malacador was on it did he have to use all of his considerable pyschic mind to control it? Ps that cost him his life.

 DeathReaper wrote:

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

Any Wraithseer would, by your logic, be the strongest psyker at STR 10.

What codex are they in?

They are HQ choices for Codex: Eldar. You can find their listing on the FW website I believe and I am certain you'll find their info if you look in IA11.

So they are not actually in a codex. but in the IA book. Got it.

To continue playing your silly game, the book says it's an HQ choice for Codex: Eldar. You keep ignoring stuff that contradicts your statement and jump through a number of hoops to ensure that Mephiston is the "strongest" psyker.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

Any Wraithseer would, by your logic, be the strongest psyker at STR 10.

What codex are they in?

They are HQ choices for Codex: Eldar. You can find their listing on the FW website I believe and I am certain you'll find their info if you look in IA11.

So they are not actually in a codex. but in the IA book. Got it.

To continue playing your silly game, the book says it's an HQ choice for Codex: Eldar. You keep ignoring stuff that contradicts your statement and jump through a number of hoops to ensure that Mephiston is the "strongest" psyker.

Warpspider is technically right, if it was a bench-pressing contest. It all depends on how powerful Mephiston was before be beat the Black Rage/Red Thrist(or both), because after that he had his power amplified.

I would say the swarmlord or obv the CRASSUS AMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT

 kelewan wrote:
I would say the swarmlord or obv the CRASSUS AMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT

NO! Tank memes will not defile the Librarium!!! *Cast Smite, fail Psychic Test* Oh fet...GLARBLEGLARBLEGARBLEOMOMLUM!!!!!

For me its clearly the Emperor of mankind. Why? Well, saying that the Eldar were the most advanced psyker race is true BUT they were blinded by their power. Only a low percentage of Eldars even thought of fleeing, the rest caused Slaaneth.
Big E foresaw his/her/its birth and began with the logically best step. He created the Legiones Astartes and the Primarchs. He also foresaw the fall of the Eldar as a sideefect of Slaaneth's birth ergo one problem less to care about. Good, maybe he underestimated the Eldar but then again what can a few thousand space elves do against biologically enhanced superhumans who come in millions!
Then again I recall that in "The First Heretic" he was able to commune with Malcador over the whole galaxy (correct me if I'm wrong here as I am not sure).
The Emperor was not only a psyker, he was a force of nature, even a force of the warp you could say. I think I have read once that the ONLY thing which prevents him to become a god of the warp is the fact that he is still bond to his body.
But if we look at any "not uber-load" psyker i.e no primarchs, gods or Emprah himself I'd give my vote to Ahriman.

In The First Heretic, the Emperor was physically present, lol.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
In The First Heretic, the Emperor was physically present, lol.

I thought that after the Sigillite failed in disputing with Lograr, he contacted the Emperor to teleport to the respective world? Ah well then I must have mis-interpreted it. Thanks for clearing that up!

The Emperor was in one of the vessels in orbit around Monarchia, not on Terra.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The Emperor was in one of the vessels in orbit around Monarchia, not on Terra.

That would be a hell of big warp jump...


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He could probably do it though... Maby... Probably not... If he locked on to Lorgars pyschic presence in the warp?

BaconUprising wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The Emperor was in one of the vessels in orbit around Monarchia, not on Terra.

That would be a hell of big warp jump...


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He could probably do it though... Maby... Probably not... If he locked on to Lorgars pyschic presence in the warp?

Magnus essentially did it from Prospero to Terra, but it took a lot of work.

On the table-top, for the points, a Chaos Sorcerer with Mastery Level 3, Sigil of Corruption, Mark of Tzeentch, and a spell familiar is fething meaty as hell.

As much as I like Eldrad I'm finding it strange to see him this high up in people's lists.

I mean other than some nifty foresight what kind of psykic prowess has he to show for?

It's not like he can checkmate godlike alien gestalt consciences, rolfstomp bloodthirsters, eat Craftworlds or breach the webway, wipe out scores of harlies and live to tell about it. I supposed he did beat Failbaddon though.

 Popenfresh wrote:
As much as I like Eldrad I'm finding it strange to see him this high up in people's lists.

I mean other than some nifty foresight what kind of psykic prowess has he to show for?

It's not like he can checkmate godlike alien gestalt consciences, rolfstomp bloodthirsters, eat Craftworlds or breach the webway, wipe out scores of harlies and live to tell about it. I supposed he did beat Failbaddon though.

His speciality is / was divination and he probably was among the most accomplished psykers in that discipline. Very few, perhaps noone, could match him in that regard.

What about the Legion of the Damned? It's so heavily hinted that it is the Big E's will made manifest. Surely that counts for something as well? Never mind Mephiston, the Big E controls a ghost roflstomp immortal SM company that destroys anything it's sent to deal with and endures firepower way beyond what a marine could...

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warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

Any Wraithseer would, by your logic, be the strongest psyker at STR 10.

What codex are they in?

They are HQ choices for Codex: Eldar. You can find their listing on the FW website I believe and I am certain you'll find their info if you look in IA11.

So they are not actually in a codex. but in the IA book. Got it.

If you want to keep playing this game, Hive Tyrants and the Swarmlord are both S6. So Mephiston is, at best, merely equal with the other top strength psykers.

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 DeathReaper wrote:

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

warpspider89 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
All untrue, the Strongest Psyker is Mephiston. He has a Str of 6, any other Psykers have a Str of 6?

Any Wraithseer would, by your logic, be the strongest psyker at STR 10.

What codex are they in?

They are HQ choices for Codex: Eldar. You can find their listing on the FW website I believe and I am certain you'll find their info if you look in IA11.

So they are not actually in a codex. but in the IA book. Got it.

If you want to keep playing this game, Hive Tyrants and the Swarmlord are both S6. So Mephiston is, at best, merely equal with the other top strength psykers.

As well as dreadknights.

 KingDeath wrote:

 Popenfresh wrote:
As much as I like Eldrad I'm finding it strange to see him this high up in people's lists.

I mean other than some nifty foresight what kind of psykic prowess has he to show for?

It's not like he can checkmate godlike alien gestalt consciences, rolfstomp bloodthirsters, eat Craftworlds or breach the webway, wipe out scores of harlies and live to tell about it. I supposed he did beat Failbaddon though.

His speciality is / was divination and he probably was among the most accomplished psykers in that discipline. Very few, perhaps noone, could match him in that regard.

I understand that Eldar don't really think Emperor is a great talent. Emperor's own foresight talents probably are on par with average Farseer?

FFG roleplaying manuals state that Eldar psykers usually aren't a match for human psykers in terms of raw power.

Do Daemons count? Lord of Changes are mentioned as "most powerful sorcerers in the Galaxy."

What does really classify a psyker? A human has to learn to use his abilities while a daemon already have them.

Backfire wrote:
I understand that Eldar don't really think Emperor is a great talent. Emperor's own foresight talents probably are on par with average Farseer?

FFG roleplaying manuals state that Eldar psykers usually aren't a match for human psykers in terms of raw power.

Do Daemons count? Lord of Changes are mentioned as "most powerful sorcerers in the Galaxy.

I personally would not count Daemons, the closest I'd be willing to go is Daemon Princes, but it should be noted that Ahriman's mastery of sorcery is explicitly compared to a Lord of Change's.

Just for the record I didn't mean daemons to be counted sorry for the confusion, otherwise you would just say the chaos gods

Gork and Mork are even stronger.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Gork and Mork are even stronger.

Haha maybe but I'm not sure Gork (or possibly mork) even knows what pyshic powers are

If we take into account Daemons, and not the Warp gods into my personal tier rankings...

1. The Emperor
2. Magnus the Red, some monstrously powerful Lords of Change like Aetaos'rau'keres, maybe some other powerful Daemon Princes. Post-Ascension Lorgar is possibly also here.
3. Ahriman, Eldrad, Malcador, Lorgar, generic Lords of Change.
4. Various Alpha Plus psykers, Kor Phaeron and Erebus (Kor Phaeron managed to use his psychic powers to actually lay a Primarch low, and Erebus is said to be comparable).
5. Chief-Librarians, other powerful Imperial Psykers.

I am unsure where I would place a generic Farseer, since measuring Divination is a bit tricky.

That would probably be my list Maby kor phaeron 1 higher not sure.

I thought I read something somewhere about Gregor Eisenhorn being the most powerful after the Emperor.

Scratch that. It is incorrect.

Really where was that? On the wiki it claims Tigrius (sorry if a misspelling) or Mephiston are the two most powerful after the Emperor in the imperium.

 Terentius wrote:
I thought I read something somewhere about Gregor Eisenhorn being the most powerful after the Emperor.

He isn't. Eisenhorn met, at various times, psykers who simply outmatched him. He might have destroyed the daemon Prophanti but even that is merely an assumption, with no definite proof offered.

Yeah, Gregor many times outright states a psyker is more powerful than he is.

Commodus Voke, Quixos, Heldane, Ravenor, Dazzo, the various psykers released at the start of Malleus, all are more powerful than Eisenhorn.

Ravenor is the most powerful out of them isn't he?

i think weirdboyz are pretty powerful psykers i mean they can control orks! How many psykers do you see control orks every day with the ork still happy

Um anybody using telepathy?

BaconUprising wrote:
Ravenor is the most powerful out of them isn't he?

Well, I haven't read Ravenor so I can't do much in ways of a feat by feat comparison with other big hitters in the mythos, but of those men, yes, IIRC he is the most powerful named psyker. Only the Alphas and Alpha Plus psykers are likely more powerful than he is of that list.

I mean, he psychically operates and delivers death to heretics on a lazyboy, that's brutal as feth. The Farseers also seem to respect his capabilities.

Also, Weirdboyz are sort of a wild card. While they can be born with exceptional ability (Like Zogwort), to a certain extent their power will always be dictated by the amount of Orks around; they tap into the Waaagh! field.