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Post by: Al2ies
Hello all,
Im pretty new to 40k. I was just curious as to what kind of rude habits/tendancies and good manners you have all encountered in your time.
A buddy of mine literally flipped out when I rolled MY DICE ON MY TURN and AS THE DICE WERE FALLING I had my girlfriend blow on them 'for luck'. He freaked out saying that the laws of physics effected the dice roll and demanded that the di be re-rolled (the kicker is, the di roll favored HIM!).
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Post by: chromedog
Get a new friend.
My pet peeve is people who roll dice in secret (you never see more than 1 or 2 out of a handful) and pick up all of the "successful ones" before you get a chance to see any of them (the rest of us pick out the fails).
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Post by: Sigvatr
Similar to what chromedog says. People roll and quickly take away the dice before you get the chance to see them all. Even happens at tournaments sometimes...
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Post by: Al2ies
LoL ^^^
Thankfully out of the group that plays here on base (Im in the Air Force) we dont have anyone that tries to "hide" their dice rolls- which I would consider EXTREMELY shady. Why would you hide it? Its not a matter of trust, its a matter of honesty. Name one other board game where you HIDE your moves.
We also had to make a rule about no drinking during a 40k game. Granted, that was my fault. It was my birthday and in our 'dorms' I decided to celebrate. A few of my non-40k playing friends showed up, one thing led to another and I turned into a drunken ass on in the 3rd turn of a game. Yeah.... bad news when the green tide is on the table. Haha, if you were a 'fly on the wall' I could imagine it would be funny to laugh at... not to play against. I learned my lesson.
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Post by: Spyral
-rolling and snatching dice away too quickly
-rolling the scatter dice a mile away from the target and veering
-claiming line of sight even though you couldn't see them last time with the same unit
-massaging dice
-rolling dice with a whoop that sounds like an excited hamster in ecstasy
-being 'generous' with movement/measurement
-walking away from the table with no explanation and delaying the game for unknown reasons.
-banging the table in anger
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Post by: Lovepug13
 Spyral wrote:
-rolling the scatter dice a mile away from the target and veering
-being 'generous' with movement/measurement
These
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Post by: Al2ies
Spyral wrote:-rolling and snatching dice away too quickly
-rolling the scatter dice a mile away from the target and veering
-claiming line of sight even though you couldn't see them last time with the same unit
-massaging dice
-rolling dice with a whoop that sounds like an excited hamster in ecstasy
-being 'generous' with movement/measurement
-walking away from the table with no explanation and delaying the game for unknown reasons.
-banging the table in anger
-Veering is DEFINITLEY a huge issue amongst new players.
-Can you explaing "massaging dice"?
-Being generous seems onloy to happen with people who dont set rulers down on the table.
-Banging the table is UNFORGIVABLE
**A new one I thought of is people who only extend the tape measure to the EXACT amount. Extend it beyond so I can see everything please. When you 'short' it, it seems like you could be cheating yourself/others, but mainly yourself. I hate double checking someones own measurements.
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Post by: Pony_law
I don't like it when people "splash" the dice. That is throw the dice really high or far so they bounce all over/off the table and/or knock over models.
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Post by: phatonic
When people lie about their point list... thus iv'e started to ask them show me their list written before we play. (i dont mean like on day ahead so i can counter that said list).. more like 1min before start of game^^
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Post by: Evertras
 Al2ies wrote:
**A new one I thought of is people who only extend the tape measure to the EXACT amount. Extend it beyond so I can see everything please. When you 'short' it, it seems like you could be cheating yourself/others, but mainly yourself. I hate double checking someones own measurements.
I do this, but not out of any malice! To me it makes measuring more accurate, since it's very clear where the start and end are. What do you mean by 'see everything'? I don't want to annoy anyone with this down the road. :(
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Post by: washout77
phatonic wrote:When people lie about their point list... thus iv'e started to ask them show me their list written before we play. (i dont mean like on day ahead so i can counter that said list).. more like 1min before start of game^^
I'm guilty of this, but not on purpose. Usually it's just my fault because I forgot to add the price of a Plasma Pistol here or something. Im happy to correct it if someone notices, because if they don't I likely won't hahaha
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Post by: Al2ies
 Evertras wrote: Al2ies wrote:
**A new one I thought of is people who only extend the tape measure to the EXACT amount. Extend it beyond so I can see everything please. When you 'short' it, it seems like you could be cheating yourself/others, but mainly yourself. I hate double checking someones own measurements.
I do this, but not out of any malice! To me it makes measuring more accurate, since it's very clear where the start and end are. What do you mean by 'see everything'? I don't want to annoy anyone with this down the road. :(
The reason I dont generally like it is because the tape measure itself or the "shell" of it is kind of in the way to possibly other players on the table. I like to extend it a few inches past just so the number is not covered or obscured in anway way. Its just a pet peeve for me- and quite possibly, maybe its just me. Im all about making things as open as possible in the game. Earlier today, I realized I didnt move two flyers on a table FULL of them. I said outloud that i forgot to move them and of course, the other players jumpedo n the chance to say they both just crashed. I left it up to them- show me a little reprieve and I will allow you the same later. BUT, mental bookmark, I wont allow them the same in the future- even though I generally would allow it.
***Another thing I dont like is when someone will quickly pull the "Oops you forgot something, cant go back and fix it!!" Yet when they catch their mistakes in a different phase, they are quick to pull di and start rolling to correct them.***
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Post by: Rimmy
for me, its bad sportsmanship. be as gracious of a loser as you are a winner, and visa versa.
I can't stand people letting their dice roll into the active playing field. they get confused with markers or counters and I've had them move models.
craps dice. they look cool, when you're playing craps. you look like an idiot trying to roll 20 craps dice on a battle top (happenned to me, guy rolled 20 craps dice in a GW table)
oh and have some class. same guy as craps guy, threw and actual tempter tantrum when he made a bad roll. jumping up and down and flailing. dude was 26 (I asked him)
my cardinal sin though, do NOT touch my mini's without asking me first. I have spent a lot of time on them, and some of them are old and fragile. i'm usually ok, but please just ask.
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Post by: Eldercaveman
Maybe this is just me being British, but it annoys me when players don't offer a friendly hand shake before and after the game.
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Post by: Thorgrim Bloodcrow
- People rolling dice one at a time (god forbid they're a guard player).
- Leaving things on the table like soda cans or books and claiming to not remember if it was their as last minute terrain or just a mistake and insisting it's terrain as their unit hides behind it (Yes that has happened to me a few times).
- People not knowing "how to explain their troops abilities", had an Eldar player do this. One of his guys did something, don't ask me it was yonks ago and when I asked them to explain what exactly to ability did, they couldn't explain it in words but they knew what it was supposed to do.
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Post by: Steelmage99
The things that annoy me the most are whining, sighing and despondently throwing dice when thing don't go EXACTLY their way.
Also both losing and winning gracefully is really important.
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Post by: lynxstrife
phatonic wrote:When people lie about their point list... thus iv'e started to ask them show me their list written before we play. (i dont mean like on day ahead so i can counter that said list).. more like 1min before start of game^^
Well don't seem we could play a good game. I use battlescribe on my phone to make my lists  I dont use paper or pen hardly.
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Post by: -Loki-
Spyral wrote:-rolling the scatter dice a mile away from the target and veering -being 'generous' with movement/measurement
My friends and I are very lax when it comes to the game - like, measuring for one model when just 'guesstimating' the rest of the unit as long as none move further than the first and the last doesn't move a ridiculous amount, but one friend is massively guilty of both of those. He'll frequently measure the first model he moves from the front of the base, and move it so the back of the base is where he measured to to gain some extra movement. And scatter die - for feths sake. Even if we roll the scatter near where the shot landed, he'll turn the whippy stick we're using for direction to favour him as he moves it over the place of impact. Like, it'll be right next to the marker, and his stick will be at about 45 degrees in another direction to point away from his models/towards my models. He's fun to play against, but those those two things he does piss me off. I've called him on it so many times, and he just keeps doing it.
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Post by: Deadshot
Arguing a rule I know for a fact is wrong. For example, I could probably rhyme off most o the SM, Nid and GK rules word for word, probably the BRB and Orks too, and certainly the 5th ed book.
But I have had people tell me things I know are wrong, and even though I let it pass because I want to play the game, I know. Like, someone told me the GK power Psychic Communion could be used in the opponents turn, thus allowing +/- 1 to the opponent's reserves. False.
Or telling me that you can mix Codex Psychic Powers with rulebook powers. This one guy I know is adamant that Mephiston can roll on Biomancy in the hope of Iron Arm and Endurance whilst retaining either Wings of Sanguinius or Sanguine Sword.
And another guy is convinced that Techmarines can revive wrecks.
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Post by: Spyral
 -Loki- wrote:
My friends and I are very lax when it comes to the game - like, measuring for one model when just 'guesstimating' the rest of the unit as long as none move further than the first and the last doesn't move a ridiculous amount, but one friend is massively guilty of both of those.
I like the FoW attitude - declare intention. So if you have 120 orks or nids to move in units of 30 move the first row as honestly the rest don't matter once they don't overshoot.
Massaging dice is when they shake them for all of about 5 minutes with some sort of masterbatory action, usually not even rolling it, more vibrating the dice in their hand...
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Post by: phatonic
lynxstrife wrote:phatonic wrote:When people lie about their point list... thus iv'e started to ask them show me their list written before we play. (i dont mean like on day ahead so i can counter that said list).. more like 1min before start of game^^
Well don't seem we could play a good game. I use battlescribe on my phone to make my lists I dont use paper or pen hardly.
But there you got a list! aslong you got a list i dont mind
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Post by: varzaman
 Rimmy wrote:for me, its bad sportsmanship. be as gracious of a loser as you are a winner, and visa versa.
I can't stand people letting their dice roll into the active playing field. they get confused with markers or counters and I've had them move models.
craps dice. they look cool, when you're playing craps. you look like an idiot trying to roll 20 craps dice on a battle top (happenned to me, guy rolled 20 craps dice in a GW table)
oh and have some class. same guy as craps guy, threw and actual tempter tantrum when he made a bad roll. jumping up and down and flailing. dude was 26 (I asked him)
my cardinal sin though, do NOT touch my mini's without asking me first. I have spent a lot of time on them, and some of them are old and fragile. i'm usually ok, but please just ask.
What are craps dice? I googled them, and it just looks like normal dice...
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Post by: Rimmy
lettuceman44 wrote: Rimmy wrote:for me, its bad sportsmanship. be as gracious of a loser as you are a winner, and visa versa.
I can't stand people letting their dice roll into the active playing field. they get confused with markers or counters and I've had them move models.
craps dice. they look cool, when you're playing craps. you look like an idiot trying to roll 20 craps dice on a battle top (happenned to me, guy rolled 20 craps dice in a GW table)
oh and have some class. same guy as craps guy, threw and actual tempter tantrum when he made a bad roll. jumping up and down and flailing. dude was 26 (I asked him)
my cardinal sin though, do NOT touch my mini's without asking me first. I have spent a lot of time on them, and some of them are old and fragile. i'm usually ok, but please just ask.
What are craps dice? I googled them, and it just looks like normal dice...
the problem with craps dice is they are made from a certain type of plastic with very sharp edges and they're pretty big, so they don't roll well on hard surfaces and they tend to take up a LOT fo space when you have to roll more than a couple of them. (craps tables are padded felt) so they just kind of thunk down on the table. if you do it right, you can cheese your way into managing your rolls.
they're not illegal in anyway and yes they are just dice. but find a pair and try them out. they just don't work as well on a tabletop game.
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Post by: Experiment 626
Well, some of my pet peeves are;
- Not having a clear & neatly written/typed army list and/or not having your damn codex!
I hate playing against people who constantly "forget" their codex but swear they know every rule so it's okay...
And I'm sorry guys, but in general, I find that men have horrific penmenship. So, if your chicken-scratch writing requires the use of the Rosetta Stone to help translate it into something almost resembling written english, then for feth's sake type your list out! 
- Picking up your dice before your opponent can see the results and/or rolling your dice out of sight so your opponent can't see.
- List tailoring. 'Nuff said!
- Smelling highly offensive. How hard is it to shower and use a little bit of soap?!
At the very least, if say you're coming to the local store from work/sports, is it too hard to have a change of clothes and some de-oderent? There's nothing worse than trying to play a game when Uncle Nurgle's lovechild is stinking up the place!
- Whining about unlucky dice. We all have those games where the dice gods like to kick us square in the junk. Happens to me all the time - heck, I've never once passed Cypher's 4++ on 3D6! I've tabled myself through plasma overheats, or failed 90% of my power armour saves, or failed to even glance any vehicle all game, or blown-up my psykers rolling boxcars, or killed my own entire unit by grenading a dreadnought...
Just laugh it off! It's a game of toy soldiers afterall, and sometimes  happens.
- Poor sportmanship.
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Post by: Tannhauser42
Mine have pretty much already been said:
people who roll the scatter dice too far away which makes it harder to match up the direction of scatter
people who roll their dice so hard that the dice roll two feet across the table and into models and such
list tailoring bugs me as well ("oh, you're playing marines? let me bust out all the AP2 guns I can find..."), but I'm more or less resigned to it after 16 years of playing
I prefer to use casino dice myself (or craps dice, as others called it) because I like my dice to actually be random in their results. But that's a discussion that's been done in other threads.
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Post by: MandalorynOranj
- Walking away from the table for no reason, especially during my turn. I don't want to do anything while they're gone 'cause that seems shady, but at the same time... where did they go?
- Getting in conversations with other people after I start doing something (rolling to hit, wound, psychic power, etc) and then forget what I'm doing and stop me.
- Picking up successful dice instead of failures.
- LIST TAILORING. I hate this one so much, if you feel like you need to write a new list when you hear I'm playing Eldar, I don't want to play you.
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Post by: Eldercaveman
Can I ask what the perceived difference or problem is with picking up successful instead of failed dice?
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Post by: MandalorynOranj
Eldercaveman wrote:Can I ask what the perceived difference or problem is with picking up successful instead of failed dice?
It's a much more shifty thing to do because when picking up failed dice, your opponent can see that everything left on the table is a success. When you pick up successes, especially if there were a lot of dice thrown or if it was really soon after rolling, the opponent has no way of knowing if the dice they picked up were actually successes or failures. I always make a point to pick up fails, unless it's something like snap shots where you need 6's in which case I'll clearly move them off to the side, but not cover them at any point, rather than pick up huge handfuls of dice.
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Post by: felixander
Eldercaveman wrote:Can I ask what the perceived difference or problem is with picking up successful instead of failed dice?
If your opponent picks up an extra die that was actually a success but he calls it a failure... well that's your opponent's fault.
If your opponent picks up an extra die that was actually a failure but he calls it a success... well now you have a problem.
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Post by: Eldercaveman
Ok i guess it's only a problem when playing pick up games or tournaments, well any game that's not against someone you know and trust,
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Post by: Anpu42
As for list tailoring we don’t get that much as 75% of the armies fielded are Marine of some sort.
WAAC 24/7/365: Its hard to have fun games vs. these guys, especially after tabling you on turn two and then when you ask for a rematch you get “I don’t play against armatures, come back when you are better!” when all you want was a game to try out the latest rules.
You and your Cheesy Space Wolves!: To me is the ones that cry “Cheese” or accuses you of taking the “Johnny Come Lately Army” when you have been playing that army for decades.
Clicks: The thing that has driven me out of the local game stores are the “Clicks”. You know the guys that only will play their friends. The one that got me the most was I showed up for the “Open Table Day” and I saw this guy and I asked if he wanted play and he said “No we was waiting for a friend.” Thinking we could get in a quick game I asked “Well what time is he going to be here?” His reply was Six, I looked up at the clock and it was about one.
WYSIWYG N@zi’s: These are one of the worst in my opinion. This goes for those who claim you can’t have a close combat weapon because it’s not modeled on the figure; to the ones [who usually is the one who has the unpainted half assembled army] who complains about you Non-Official GW or an old school models. The worst of these was a guy who refused to play my Primer Grey Space Wolves until I stopped calling them Space Wolves because they were not Space Wolf Guy.
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Post by: Langston128
There is a kid I met when I was just starting who played ig and he brought a sm dreadnought and said since ig were imperium then they can bring a dreadnaught and refused to change his list. Also when people showboat way too much for a paint job congrats you painted a model now go see if you can Win golden demon. It's okay to say look at this great paint job its another to say m figures are so much better than yours because of the paint job I did everyone says I'm the best. That's overboard
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Post by: TheSneak109
I'm a pretty relaxed player and typically only play with good friends at our tiny local store. Aside from stuff already mentioned in the thread, there's a few things that seriously get to me; most of which are actually perpetrated by spectators, not my opponent.
- Giving too much tactical advice. I am here to play of my own accord and I kinda want to do my own thing. Most of the time I'll do stuff that seems more fun than tactically sound. When I first started 40k I relished advice from the vets because I was obviously horrendously noobish. I still don't mind the occasional comment as I'm pretty prone to forgetting even the small things - but constant (and often poor) advice being thrown at me by someone watching makes me want to politely ask them to promptly shut the hell up.
- Taking the game too seriously. Now I understand that for some, fluff/painting/modelling is very important to them and the game itself. My friends are pretty relaxed about that, and we frequently proxy stuff as well as play with many unpainted/poorly painted models and have no issues with it (most people at our FLGS don't). We also don't take the fluff super seriously. However, when I'm playing with my good friend and I joke about how my Tervigon is "Momma 'Gaunt" and is about to "Poop moar gaunts!" in a silly and intentionally immature matter, don't barge up to the table and tell me "Well actually Tyranids are asexual so therefore your Terivgon can't be female" in an incredibly pretentious, snobby, know-it-all and bratty sort of way. It's a game! I play for gaks n' giggles, which is why I try to avoid the more hard-core fluff-oriented players.
- Don't make disparaging remarks about my list or army. I had a guy watching a game of mine who would ask me about my list, and when I told him, he'd say "That's pretty bad, you should try x or y or reread your codex, or have you tried researching your army online?". He wasn't really a huge dick about it, but it was still pretty frustrating. Not being able to play all that frequently, I'm almost always trying something new and experimenting each game. The list is already made and I'm not trying to WAAC. Less optimal? I like to think of it as simply more challenging.
- In general, I never enjoy a player who has poor manners. I always go for a hand-shake, proper introductions, friendly banter, etc. It's a social game meant to be played with other human beings - I know there are lots of war gamers out there who are shy and whatnot, but at least try!
Also, soap. Use it. A toothbrush as well ...yes with toothpaste!
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Post by: felixander
Eldercaveman wrote:Ok i guess it's only a problem when playing pick up games or tournaments, well any game that's not against someone you know and trust,
It's not a matter of trust, it's simply a good idea to use it in ANY kind of game play. We all make mistakes, and by picking up failures you're less likely to make mistakes that'd swing the game in your favor, which breeds distrust even amongst friends.
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Post by: Anpu42
I actually had one guy who became real good at as he passed his hand over his dice to pick them up he would brush some with his hand and cause them to roll onto a different side. I never noticed it until one day when he had to make the 150d6 roll and after watching him repeat the process 4-5 time I started notice. Later I pointed it out to some other players and they noticed it to. We never really called him on it, it we had cell-cameras we might have done something about it though.
We just started saying “We could beat his Armies, but not his dice.”
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Post by: SoloFalcon1138
quibbling about minor rules that will ultimately have no bearing on the issue at hand
dice rituals in general (throwing them into the air, placing "gently" table barely rolled at all, etc.)
not knowing the most commonly used rules
not being prepared to play (no templates, no dice, no books)
engaging in conversations with other during a game
premeasuring (while now legal, measuring every single range can waste a lot of time)
playing a horde army and playing it slooooooowly
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Post by: TheSneak109
YES! Had a guy who fielded a maxed out Orc foot-slogging list in 5th edition. At least 150 boys I think. I played Nids, but his turns took forever and he spent at least 30 minutes just deploying. He measured every single model for their movement...
I eventually tabled him, but man it was a slow game for the first few turns. Very frustrating.
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Post by: Eldercaveman
 felixander wrote:Eldercaveman wrote:Ok i guess it's only a problem when playing pick up games or tournaments, well any game that's not against someone you know and trust,
It's not a matter of trust, it's simply a good idea to use it in ANY kind of game play. We all make mistakes, and by picking up failures you're less likely to make mistakes that'd swing the game in your favor, which breeds distrust even amongst friends.
Makes sense, I colder honestly say which way I do it as I've never really though about it, and its been a while since I've played TT, but I've never has a problem with this before, nor had my dice picking up questioned, so I guess I must be doing something right.
One thing that I did find really annoying, was when I was watching one of my friends games, and he, like me plays for fun, and the other guy brought a super powerful BA list, which is fine, but the worst thing was how he played, he would adjust models, like he'd move a squad up. Realise his framers are at the back and the move them to the front effectively moving them twice the distance, or putting on a playful face and replacing his objective mid game. Needless to say neither of us play him anymore.
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Post by: MajorStoffer
I only have two real complaints; people who wander off in team games, and people who play your army for you.
The first is self explanatory, and annoying.
The second is those people who believe they know every army inside and out, and will question everything you do, pick up all your dice for you, and declare everything that happens with your units the entire way through the game.
These tend to be the same people who rules lawyer their way through the entire game, manipulate unclear or vague rules as much in their favour as possible, and will stop the game dead if said rules don't swing in their favour.
And that's in a "friendly" pick-up game. In short, any combination of WAAC and general lack of respect for other players annoys me; they aren't mutually exclusive, as a WAAC can be a decent, respectful person, they're just competitive, but the combination of that and general dickery and lack of any real respect or empathy in even the most laid back of environments is maddening.
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Post by: felixander
Eldercaveman wrote: ... but the worst thing was how he played, he would adjust models, like he'd move a squad up. Realise his framers are at the back and the move them to the front effectively moving them twice the distance,
OH MAN. There was a guy out here who did that a few times. "Oh my Melta Gunner is safely in the back. OK now they're going to move and she'll magically teleport to the front" and when I'd call him out on it he'd call me a Rules Lawyer and pout like a child. I know how you feel about them and you did the right thing, ignore the problem!
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Post by: SoloFalcon1138
 TheSneak109 wrote:
YES! Had a guy who fielded a maxed out Orc foot-slogging list in 5th edition. At least 150 boys I think. I played Nids, but his turns took forever and he spent at least 30 minutes just deploying. He measured every single model for their movement...
I eventually tabled him, but man it was a slow game for the first few turns. Very frustrating.
even better is a guy I've played twice in tournaments who plays nids. he asks if his placement is ok everytime he places a mini. I think its his distraction move...
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Post by: TheSneak109
 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
TheSneak109 wrote:
YES! Had a guy who fielded a maxed out Orc foot-slogging list in 5th edition. At least 150 boys I think. I played Nids, but his turns took forever and he spent at least 30 minutes just deploying. He measured every single model for their movement...
I eventually tabled him, but man it was a slow game for the first few turns. Very frustrating.
even better is a guy I've played twice in tournaments who plays nids. he asks if his placement is ok everytime he places a mini. I think its his distraction move...
Mind games man...mind games. Nid trickery and all that.
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Post by: Spetulhu
The thing that really ticks me off is the player who reminds you of rules only when it's to his benefit. You forget to take the extra CC attack for two weapons, you don't remember how Rapid Fire weapons shoot in this edition so don't shoot max range after moving or maybe take lower cover saves than the terrain would grant. He says nothing. Make an error that would benefit you instead and it becomes clear he knows those rules very well.
This is IMO a sign of poor sportsmanship.
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Post by: Bluetau
Rimmy wrote:
the problem with craps dice is they are made from a certain type of plastic with very sharp edges and they're pretty big, so they don't roll well on hard surfaces and they tend to take up a LOT fo space when you have to roll more than a couple of them. (craps tables are padded felt) so they just kind of thunk down on the table. if you do it right, you can cheese your way into managing your rolls.
they're not illegal in anyway and yes they are just dice. but find a pair and try them out. they just don't work as well on a tabletop game.
I use my set of 5 craps dice as objective markers. Big bright red 1" casino dice serve that duty very well.
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Post by: Pouncey
Al2ies wrote:
-Being generous seems onloy to happen with people who dont set rulers down on the table.
I don't set my measuring tape down on the table because there are models where I'm measuring. If I set it down, either it would knock over a model, or move it to the side. Also, there is often terrain along the measuring tape's path.
But that's because I'm one of those weird people who doesn't spread their models out the full 2 inches allowed. My models are usually more like 1" apart.
And that in turn is because I am absolutely terrible at judging distances and even estimating sizes in any of the three dimensions, so I like to be damned sure that they're actually in coherency.
My major peeve with playing against my mom - I have too much anxiety to stand playing games against random people at a local club or store, so I play at home - is when the pets inevitably come into the gaming room and she pays more attention to them than she does the game. It's gotten to the point where I try a couple of times very subtly to get her to pay attention when I'm rolling dice, and if she keeps on talking to the cat or whatever, I just do all my rolls without her watching.
Oh, and no, we can't just close the door to keep the animals out. We tried that once, and the dog just whined and whined and whimpered until my mom let him in cause she couldn't stand hearing him whine so much.
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Post by: Legion of Flame
- People that die every time something doesn't go their way. They don't even have to whinge, they just have to squint, or bite their lip. RELAX.
-Blood Angels players that field 6 Assault Squads, 3 Devastator Squads, and two Librarians. He could have used imagination; copying Dave from Miniwargaming's list is just annoying.
-Armies with major proxies, such as MODEL proxies. 'Nah, this isn't Mephiston, its a librarian.' Go out and buy a goddamned model. If they are ones like Saying a LR Redeemer is a LR Crusader is fine, though.
-Hiding army lists. I always say that I will show my army list if they show theirs, and if they don't show theirs, then they will whinge about me changing my list because I haven't shown them. And then I surprise them, because wait! My drop-podded Combat Squad's sergeant has MELTA BOMBS. Goodbye, Leman Russ.
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Post by: Lobokai
-Texting or taking Cell calls during their turn (or excessively during a game)
-Not having WYSIWYG and not telling me that the bosspole Nob also has a PowerKlaw (or the like)
-Arguing/fudging scatter die (drives me nuts)
-Gleefully taunting "you forgot to fire/charge/shoot them" when someone forgets an ability in a phase. I myself almost always remind people of forgotten unit moves.
...and many of the common ones already mentioned here too.
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Post by: wfischer
Legion of Flame wrote:-
-Armies with major proxies, such as MODEL proxies. 'Nah, this isn't Mephiston, its a librarian.' Go out and buy a goddamned model. If they are ones like Saying a LR Redeemer is a LR Crusader is fine, though.
I've been using a paper coffee cup glued to a piece of cardboard as a Night Scythe.
True Story.
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Post by: conker249
I hate when people pick up their success dice instead of fails.
Do not like when playing a team game my ally tells me what to shoot with my army. Telling me to not shoot a swarm lord with my S8 AP1 missiles so he could assault with a weak cc troop.
When using a blast template that scatters pushing it farther than it should so it could hit more models.
Calling my army OP because my opponent was tabled(I play Sisters)
Getting pissy over losing space marines because being a fluff guru.
A few I've had recently.
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Post by: djones520
Saying the scatter die points in an advantageous direction, when it's obviously a good 30-40 degrees off from that...
Drives me nuts, but it's one of those small things that you end up being the jerk for arguing.
Edits: Seems a lot of people have that problem.
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Post by: Heartless
djones520 wrote:Saying the scatter die points in an advantageous direction, when it's obviously a good 30-40 degrees off from that...
Drives me nuts, but it's one of those small things that you end up being the jerk for arguing.
Edits: Seems a lot of people have that problem.
I end up being really bad for this, because I genuinely have trouble determining which direction a blast is going. I try to avoid blast weapons in my games.
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Post by: undertow
Pony_law wrote:I don't like it when people "splash" the dice. That is throw the dice really high or far so they bounce all over/off the table and/or knock over models.
I tend to do this sometimes, mostly because I bought some custom dice from Chessex, and they're a bit bigger than my old dice. I feel like I need to give them some extra momentum so they'll roll properly. With that said, I try to do this where there are no models, but sometimes I knock over a few if I roll in haste.
I'm trying to get better though.
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Post by: Chancetragedy
TheSneak109 wrote: SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
TheSneak109 wrote:
YES! Had a guy who fielded a maxed out Orc foot-slogging list in 5th edition. At least 150 boys I think. I played Nids, but his turns took forever and he spent at least 30 minutes just deploying. He measured every single model for their movement...
I eventually tabled him, but man it was a slow game for the first few turns. Very frustrating.
even better is a guy I've played twice in tournaments who plays nids. he asks if his placement is ok everytime he places a mini. I think its his distraction move...
Mind games man...mind games. Nid trickery and all that.
I do this. Not for every model, but when doing a weird deployment or disembark ill ask if they agree I'm out of sight or they understand what I'm doing and if its cool. I also play mind games with friends like make them think about other rules by always asking questions on if I can do something, then ill do something totally different. I only do this with friends and they know I do it so we all have a laugh.
I also have conversations with others but i pay as much attention to the game as possible.
My least favorite table etiquette has to be hitting the table or rolling dice into my models. I know sometimes it happens like with scatter and such, but sometimes I feel it's intentional to move my models slightly. Also the soft dice flop to the table infuriates me. Roll your dice so they get a more random roll, don't hold the dice a certain way and gently let it flop out of your hand.
Also not using the actual rules for flyers drives me berserk. I don't use flyers(yah I know that's my problem). But I count on the rules to help me avoid and lessen the impact of flyers. I hate when people try to shoot straight down with guns on the top of the flyer, or when they take a slight turn at the end of the movement, or use more turning radius. Or try to argue that they can put they're flyer inside the 1" to my models. YOU HAVE A FLYER KNOW THE RULES!!!
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Post by: felixander
Legion of Flame wrote:
-Armies with major proxies, such as MODEL proxies. 'Nah, this isn't Mephiston, its a librarian.' Go out and buy a goddamned model. If they are ones like Saying a LR Redeemer is a LR Crusader is fine, though.
Uh, saying Mephiston is a Librarian is FAR from a major proxy. If the person likes the Mephiston model and wants to use him, it shouldn't matter so long as he makes it abundantly clear. Saying "this named Librarian is actually a normal Librarian" doesn't strike me as being any different than "The LR Reedemer is a LR Crusader". Now things like "This Land Speeder is a Vendetta" is what I'd call a major proxy. Things that don't have the right size and actually alter the gameplay. Either way, we play major proxies amongst friends sometimes to try a new model before we buy it.
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Post by: phatonic
Legion of Flame wrote:-
-Armies with major proxies, such as MODEL proxies. 'Nah, this isn't Mephiston, its a librarian.' Go out and buy a goddamned model. If they are ones like Saying a LR Redeemer is a LR Crusader is fine, though.
I supouse you dont like ork players then? :(
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Post by: g0atsticks
-taking the game to serious....unless your paid to play, its just a game to us normal people.
-people who think everything is cheese. I dunno, Just because .
-list tailoring. I have a friend who will change his army list once he's heard what your playing. The ol', "I think I play X instead tonight...".
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Post by: Rimmy
Bluetau wrote: Rimmy wrote:
the problem with craps dice is they are made from a certain type of plastic with very sharp edges and they're pretty big, so they don't roll well on hard surfaces and they tend to take up a LOT fo space when you have to roll more than a couple of them. (craps tables are padded felt) so they just kind of thunk down on the table. if you do it right, you can cheese your way into managing your rolls.
they're not illegal in anyway and yes they are just dice. but find a pair and try them out. they just don't work as well on a tabletop game.
I use my set of 5 craps dice as objective markers. Big bright red 1" casino dice serve that duty very well.
thats a pretty good use for them. i've also used them as a turn counter as well.
I have about 20 of them because I went to vegas and said, oh that might be cool! I learned it wasn't. they have been relegated to my daughter so she can use them to lean from. (big and easy to read)
for general purpose gaming though, I have just found them to be too unwieldy. I won't really say anything to someone to brings them to the table, it just irritates me when you need space to roll 20 ginormous dice all the time.
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Post by: Deadshot
Having experianced this only a hour ago, I clwill now change mine to "Celebration using a catchphrase and hand signals. " so whoever I was playing today who decided to celebrate passing a 4+ save with his Captain's Iron Halo by fist pumping and saying "Boo-yah!", and did so everytime he pass a save as such, I now hate you with a fury to make Khorne himself weep.
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Post by: Desubot
For me its most of the above but also to add, people that put food or drinks on the table, and in general people that make a mess on the table like trays dice tools ect though I am guilty of the lather
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Post by: IHateNids
people who spam the living crap out of everything. (Although thats probably just me.)
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Post by: Red Comet
I hate it when people declare one measurement one turn and then the next turn its suddenly a different length than before. Usually I don't mind giving them the benefit of the doubt that they messed up, but I feel its rude that you reveal to your opponent a measurement and you both agree that's the case and then next turn its a different length.
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Post by: wfischer
In addition to some of the previous peeves, here's a couple I've encountered recently:
- Teammates who don't understand teamwork. Look, I understand that you think your army is the , but don't park your Rhinos in front of my Doomsday Ark and block its LOS. And if you do happen to mistakenly do so, be gracious enough to move them on our next turn instead of saying, "Oh, it doesn't matter, my lascannons will do more damage anyway". That's not the point.
- People who concede/give up early in the game because of some misfortune. Yesterday, my Tau opponent fired 52 snap shots at my Night Scythe and didn't get a single hit. He decided that since that was statistically improbable luck must not be on his side, so he conceded. At the top of turn 3. I just wanted to test out some new units, but they never got a chance to make it into battle.
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Post by: BryllCream
 Red Comet wrote:I hate it when people declare one measurement one turn and then the next turn its suddenly a different length than before. Usually I don't mind giving them the benefit of the doubt that they messed up, but I feel its rude that you reveal to your opponent a measurement and you both agree that's the case and then next turn its a different length.
This happened in 5th when I infiltrated 13" away from my opponent, yet my guys were still magically in range of his assault the turn after. I have no idea what compelled him to think I wouldn't notice this.
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Post by: captain collius
Don't call my army cheese it what i want to use so deal with it.
If you aren't playing the game don't hover over my shoulder.
Always offer someone who lost to you to opportunity for a rematch. It is only through adversity that we grow as players.
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Post by: Red Comet
 BryllCream wrote: Red Comet wrote:I hate it when people declare one measurement one turn and then the next turn its suddenly a different length than before. Usually I don't mind giving them the benefit of the doubt that they messed up, but I feel its rude that you reveal to your opponent a measurement and you both agree that's the case and then next turn its a different length.
This happened in 5th when I infiltrated 13" away from my opponent, yet my guys were still magically in range of his assault the turn after. I have no idea what compelled him to think I wouldn't notice this.
That is really frustrating. I would have called him out on that for sure.
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Post by: Pouncey
Red Comet wrote: BryllCream wrote: Red Comet wrote:I hate it when people declare one measurement one turn and then the next turn its suddenly a different length than before. Usually I don't mind giving them the benefit of the doubt that they messed up, but I feel its rude that you reveal to your opponent a measurement and you both agree that's the case and then next turn its a different length.
This happened in 5th when I infiltrated 13" away from my opponent, yet my guys were still magically in range of his assault the turn after. I have no idea what compelled him to think I wouldn't notice this.
That is really frustrating. I would have called him out on that for sure.
I remember in Elementary school, during a Chess tournament, my opponent was moving a Knight toward my side of the table. I tracked his possible path, figured he was going for my Queen, and noted that the Knight would be one square out of range. So I just continued with my strategy. A few turns later, he took my Queen. Turned out he moved a space further than he should've at one point, and I didn't notice.
I was told that because I hadn't called him on it when it happened, I was SOL.
I lost that game, and took second place in the tournament instead of first.
:: shrugs :: Expecting people not to cheat is apparently a failing of mine.
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Post by: CrashCanuck
 MandalorynOranj wrote:
- Picking up successful dice instead of failures.
- LIST TAILORING. I hate this one so much, if you feel like you need to write a new list when you hear I'm playing Eldar, I don't want to play you.
The list tailoring I am completely with you on, but I do pick up successful die, i then sweep all the failed dice to the side and roll the successful die for the next roll (eg. pick up the hits, sweep the misses, now roll the wounds)
For me it's the trolling players, the ones that will roll one dice at a time just to bother the opponent. If you are only rolling 6 or less die and that is just how you do it, fine, but anything more than that just roll the bunch of them.
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Post by: Rimmy
 CrashCanuck wrote: MandalorynOranj wrote:
- Picking up successful dice instead of failures.
- LIST TAILORING. I hate this one so much, if you feel like you need to write a new list when you hear I'm playing Eldar, I don't want to play you.
The list tailoring I am completely with you on, but I do pick up successful die, i then sweep all the failed dice to the side and roll the successful die for the next roll (eg. pick up the hits, sweep the misses, now roll the wounds)
For me it's the trolling players, the ones that will roll one dice at a time just to bother the opponent. If you are only rolling 6 or less die and that is just how you do it, fine, but anything more than that just roll the bunch of them.
I know this gets covered a lot, but I have to ask, suppose the player offers you an opportunity to revise your list based on the game you are about to play as well? is it list tailoring when you both agree to create new lists?
I ask because my friends and I do this all the time. we run new lists for every game. its all based on maybe new models or lessons learned from other games. just an interesting point of view I'd appreciate hearing
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Post by: CrashCanuck
It would depend on the reason, if it were because of the mission you were about to play I would have no problem, even if after knowing what army you are playing if both players are given equal opportunity then while I'm personally not a big fan of the idea I wouldn't call shenanigans if I saw others doing it.
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Post by: UltramarineRV
I do something similar with that with my shield drones though.... i roll single dice for each wound. so essentially, i roll 89 dice individually for a single shield drone.... the look of rage on my opponents face. Kinda makes me feel OP
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Post by: Blaggard
If I change a list before a game it's usually along the lines of "hmmm, is it all right if I swap these AC/Melta's to LC's?" If they agree, then fine, if not, then fine. I'll always ask and it's always on what they say. Proxying so far has been creed being anything from a PP, LC, Harker, Company Captain.
What I don't like is people saying "I'm playing X, I'll rattle off my list without having written it down" or "I'm playing X at Y points".
People giving advice on the side is fine, as long as they don't keep on harking on about it. I'll take what you say into consideration, but I'm the ultimate decider in what I do. Had it once where this guy wouldn't shut up and I kept having to make that "shhh" noise. Eventually he got the message.
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Post by: MandalorynOranj
What I consider list tailoring is someone changing their army to specifically counter what they know you are taking. It would be changing all of their melta to plasma when they learn you had a terminator-heavy list, or adding in more blast templates and flamers when they learn you're playing horde Orks. Essentially, it's a way of gaining an unfair advantage and trying to deliberately steer away from having a balanced game.
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Post by: Exalbaru
Al2ies wrote:LoL ^^^
Thankfully out of the group that plays here on base (Im in the Air Force) we dont have anyone that tries to "hide" their dice rolls- which I would consider EXTREMELY shady. Why would you hide it? Its not a matter of trust, its a matter of honesty. Name one other board game where you HIDE your moves.
We also had to make a rule about no drinking during a 40k game. Granted, that was my fault. It was my birthday and in our 'dorms' I decided to celebrate. A few of my non- 40k playing friends showed up, one thing led to another and I turned into a drunken ass on in the 3rd turn of a game. Yeah.... bad news when the green tide is on the table. Haha, if you were a 'fly on the wall' I could imagine it would be funny to laugh at... not to play against. I learned my lesson.
What Chromedog said, I hate secretive rolling. unfortunatly, we do break your rule Al2ies. We usually meet at my buddies place because he has a huge table around 8am and continuously consume pizza and liquor and beer until usuallly around ten at night. We don't get crazy or anything we do get sidetracked with conversation easily though. be we are all friends and trust eachother to not do anything shady.
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Post by: Rimmy
Exalbaru wrote: Al2ies wrote:LoL ^^^
Thankfully out of the group that plays here on base (Im in the Air Force) we dont have anyone that tries to "hide" their dice rolls- which I would consider EXTREMELY shady. Why would you hide it? Its not a matter of trust, its a matter of honesty. Name one other board game where you HIDE your moves.
We also had to make a rule about no drinking during a 40k game. Granted, that was my fault. It was my birthday and in our 'dorms' I decided to celebrate. A few of my non- 40k playing friends showed up, one thing led to another and I turned into a drunken ass on in the 3rd turn of a game. Yeah.... bad news when the green tide is on the table. Haha, if you were a 'fly on the wall' I could imagine it would be funny to laugh at... not to play against. I learned my lesson.
What Chromedog said, I hate secretive rolling. unfortunatly, we do break your rule Al2ies. We usually meet at my buddies place because he has a huge table around 8am and continuously consume pizza and liquor and beer until usuallly around ten at night. We don't get crazy or anything we do get sidetracked with conversation easily though. be we are all friends and trust eachother to not do anything shady.
same here. we are already rule lawyers around our tables, so booze or beer just makes the game longer, and louder. we're all good about it, we just tend to get a tad animated.
but rolling dice with good company and good food is always a good time. (until you deep strike your HQ choice of Stern with a 9 termie retinue off the board, game over, turn 2)
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Post by: Kaldor
MandalorynOranj wrote:- LIST TAILORING. I hate this one so much, if you feel like you need to write a new list when you hear I'm playing Eldar, I don't want to play you.
 g0atsticks wrote:-list tailoring. I have a friend who will change his army list once he's heard what your playing. The ol', "I think I play X instead tonight...".
Guys, I know you're talking about single blind tailoring, where only one person has the opportunity to tailor their list, but you should really give list tailoring a go. Up the ante to double blind tailoring, where you and your opponent both attempt to tailor your list. You know he'll be taking Orks, and he knows you'll be taking Eldar, so you both build the best anti-Ork and anti-Eldar lists you can. Part of the problem with 40K is that it can become stagnant, and very often you'll hear (or read) statements to the effect that only a small portion of any given codex is actually useable. This sort of statement is the result of people building a single Take All Comers list and refusing to ever change it. As a result, the only options that are considered are the ones that are widely applicable across a range of enemies. Building a list to face a specific enemy codex frees you from those limitations, and lets you take units or upgrades you'd never considered before. Maybe it's not your cup of tea, and you really prefer the TAC games, but I encourage you to give it a go for a few games so you've at least got a fair base for comparison,
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Post by: Thorgrim Bloodcrow
 Kaldor wrote:
MandalorynOranj wrote:- LIST TAILORING. I hate this one so much, if you feel like you need to write a new list when you hear I'm playing Eldar, I don't want to play you.
g0atsticks wrote:-list tailoring. I have a friend who will change his army list once he's heard what your playing. The ol', "I think I play X instead tonight...".
Guys, I know you're talking about single blind tailoring, where only one person has the opportunity to tailor their list, but you should really give list tailoring a go. Up the ante to double blind tailoring, where you and your opponent both attempt to tailor your list. You know he'll be taking Orks, and he knows you'll be taking Eldar, so you both build the best anti-Ork and anti-Eldar lists you can. Part of the problem with 40K is that it can become stagnant, and very often you'll hear (or read) statements to the effect that only a small portion of any given codex is actually useable. This sort of statement is the result of people building a single Take All Comers list and refusing to ever change it. As a result, the only options that are considered are the ones that are widely applicable across a range of enemies. Building a list to face a specific enemy codex frees you from those limitations, and lets you take units or upgrades you'd never considered before. Maybe it's not your cup of tea, and you really prefer the TAC games, but I encourage you to give it a go for a few games so you've at least got a fair base for comparison,
I was going to say, my mates and I always list tailor against each other. The most fun is when we play 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 games and each tailor against a specific person and when the game starts we all randomly switch and have to make it work. Crazy but a lot of fun.
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Post by: IHateNids
I was going to say, my mates and I always list tailor against each other. The most fun is when we play 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 games and each tailor against a specific person and when the game starts we all randomly switch and have to make it work. Crazy but a lot of fun.
I recall trying that once. One guy got bored & left, so my opponants teammate went to play him at Warmachine.
They laft me and my main opponant with avbout 5000 points.
He had a LOT of Chaos marines, I had a mix of Necrons, Tau, and Space Marines. Hilarious fun.
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Post by: snooggums
Everything can be summed up as unsporting:
-Always making errors in their favor
-Always remembering rules in their favor
-Bragging about random chance in a not friendly way
-'Accidentally' moving farther than is possible
-Complaining about rules that hinder them, such as difficult terrain for their assault armies
-Calling the other army cheese, every other army
-Not shaking hands
-Not wanting to rematch because they are busy pouting
-Being a sore winner
-Being a sore loser
-Complaining when their opponent does something they do, such as using proxies
-Complaining about the rules because they don't understand them
and my biggest annoyance:
-Claiming to be more interested in fluffy play, but then whining, crying cheese, pouting, and getting rules wrong the entire game because they actually care about winning....
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Post by: Tyranid Horde
I hate it when people walk away from the table during my turn. I say to them: "I'll just wait till you come back, no problem." I get a reply along the lines of "Go ahead I won't be long."
No, you'll take forever, and I don't want you coming back acting like a donkey saying that I cheated while you were gone. It's happened before, and I never will move or shoot when somebody leaves again because it caused a scene when someone cried cheater
I also hate it when someone tries to tell me I'm wrong when I am right.
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Post by: BryllCream
Red Comet wrote: BryllCream wrote: Red Comet wrote:I hate it when people declare one measurement one turn and then the next turn its suddenly a different length than before. Usually I don't mind giving them the benefit of the doubt that they messed up, but I feel its rude that you reveal to your opponent a measurement and you both agree that's the case and then next turn its a different length.
This happened in 5th when I infiltrated 13" away from my opponent, yet my guys were still magically in range of his assault the turn after. I have no idea what compelled him to think I wouldn't notice this.
That is really frustrating. I would have called him out on that for sure.
I did. The game argued to a standstill.
Whenever someone questions these measurement "miracles" he simply replaces the model he was going to move and measures from the point he replaced the model at - inevitably closer, sometimes embaressingly so. One time it was even out of coherency and his response was...to move the other guys further up. 
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Post by: Experiment 626
Kaldor wrote:
Guys, I know you're talking about single blind tailoring, where only one person has the opportunity to tailor their list, but you should really give list tailoring a go. Up the ante to double blind tailoring, where you and your opponent both attempt to tailor your list. You know he'll be taking Orks, and he knows you'll be taking Eldar, so you both build the best anti-Ork and anti-Eldar lists you can. Part of the problem with 40K is that it can become stagnant, and very often you'll hear (or read) statements to the effect that only a small portion of any given codex is actually useable. This sort of statement is the result of people building a single Take All Comers list and refusing to ever change it. As a result, the only options that are considered are the ones that are widely applicable across a range of enemies. Building a list to face a specific enemy codex frees you from those limitations, and lets you take units or upgrades you'd never considered before. Maybe it's not your cup of tea, and you really prefer the TAC games, but I encourage you to give it a go for a few games so you've at least got a fair base for comparison,
That's not exactly List Tailoring though when both players have agreed to it, rather you're simply agreeing to a type of competitive game. In this case, a planned opposition.
It's no different than building competitive 'Tournament Lists', (the general contents of which can pretty easily be gussed), or building competitive TAC's lists that ensure maximum pts-efficentcy.
List Tailoring on the other hand IMHO, is when only one side has foreknowledge of what they're facing and thus, they can tailor the game and it's likely result to suit just themself.
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Post by: Dragonzord
wfischer wrote:
- Teammates who don't understand teamwork. Look, I understand that you think your army is the , but don't park your Rhinos in front of my Doomsday Ark and block its LOS. And if you do happen to mistakenly do so, be gracious enough to move them on our next turn instead of saying, "Oh, it doesn't matter, my lascannons will do more damage anyway". That's not the point.
Yehhh, i was playing a 2v1 the other week, and my 'ally' parked his predators infront of my shokk attack gun for 3 turns, even after i asked him to move them...
Also, i cant stand it when people challenge me on rules, especially when its my friends that dont know the rules, or even have a rulebook (and arent interested in getting one), and constantly argue with me about how im wrong, and how it doesnt make sense (like hitting the rear armour of a vehicle in close combat, or how close combat works in general, or that wounds are taken from the front and not from the one thats already lost wounds regardless of where the attacker is hitting from, the list goes on)... I know the rules, ive read the rulebook multiple times, you dont even own one and havent read it, shutup.
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Post by: g0atsticks
Dragonzord wrote:wfischer wrote:
- Teammates who don't understand teamwork. Look, I understand that you think your army is the , but don't park your Rhinos in front of my Doomsday Ark and block its LOS. And if you do happen to mistakenly do so, be gracious enough to move them on our next turn instead of saying, "Oh, it doesn't matter, my lascannons will do more damage anyway". That's not the point.
Yehhh, i was playing a 2v1 the other week, and my 'ally' parked his predators infront of my shokk attack gun for 3 turns, even after i asked him to move them...
Also, i cant stand it when people challenge me on rules, especially when its my friends that dont know the rules, or even have a rulebook (and arent interested in getting one), and constantly argue with me about how im wrong, and how it doesnt make sense (like hitting the rear armour of a vehicle in close combat, or how close combat works in general, or that wounds are taken from the front and not from the one thats already lost wounds regardless of where the attacker is hitting from, the list goes on)... I know the rules, ive read the rulebook multiple times, you dont even own one and havent read it, shutup.
I used to be on of those people without a rulebook, now I have one and understand the rules. It stays in my bathroom if you catch my drift  . Anyway, I've been reading the rules and see how many small things we're missing, when I bring any of them up, my friends whine WAAC blah blah blah. No I say. Its the rules, abide by them.
Of course they never have any issues when the "new" rules are in their favour.
An example. For the longest time we never made morale test. It was just "common" knowledge that you don't take leadership test in the shooting phase. Then I bought it up. I said, "you're right. You take morlae test." I then proceeded to pull out my new rulebook and force run over half of their army off of the board.
They should've bought a rulebook and this wouldn't have been a problem.
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Post by: Anpu42
We have one guy who was upset every time a rules question would come up the other three of would pop open out rules books and spend the next 5 min discussing the rules rather than make up somthing to move the game along. I understand were he was coming from a little, but we like playing by the rules.
He actualy once set up a game were made a game were we were not suposed to look up a rule without your opponents permision.
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Post by: Mr.Omega
If I hasn't been said already, I detest people that get so caught up in winning they begin to question every action you make, and try to "test" your knowledge of obvious rules so they can bend them in their favour. One guy I played recently was banging on about how "friendly models can't move within 1'' of each other" (although I forget why) and then I stared him down, asked his friend next to him and made a fool of him. Also people that are obnoxious and get frustrated when you question their knowledge of their rules. One guy I know is so far up his own backside he never checks the rules himself and always maintains that he is right, to the point that he started asserting ATSKNF doesn't let you regroup under 25%, when it doesn't take 2 braincells to figure out it does with just a basic grasp of the rule.
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Post by: MADLarkin
Al2ies wrote:Hello all,
Im pretty new to 40k. I was just curious as to what kind of rude habits/tendancies and good manners you have all encountered in your time.
A buddy of mine literally flipped out when I rolled MY DICE ON MY TURN and AS THE DICE WERE FALLING I had my girlfriend blow on them 'for luck'. He freaked out saying that the laws of physics effected the dice roll and demanded that the di be re-rolled (the kicker is, the di roll favored HIM!).
Three pages and no one caught this. Girlfriend at the table? Really? You expect us to believe that? What a troll.
Anyway, I don't like it when people don't know the rules for their army. Especially if it is the only army they play.
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Post by: dubovac
Well I agree with most of things said before me but I really hate those big, blocky, transparent dices. When my opponent throws 20-30 of them and I cant spot those tiny dots on them. Really hate those...
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Post by: g0atsticks
dubovac wrote:Well I agree with most of things said before me but I really hate those big, blocky, transparent dices. When my opponent throws 20-30 of them and I cant spot those tiny dots on them. Really hate those...
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There used to be a pirate ship game, each pack came with 2 very very tiny little dice. The idea was to have everything in a pack that you needed to play. The game flucked, but I had literally hundreds of these dice. Super tiny tiny dice. Like 1 mm squared sized dice. I went over to my buddies and played one night with them. First roll of 18 or 20 rapid fire bolter shots. They left my hand, hit the table....all of my friends at the same time said "Fu*^ NO dude." I still have them for when new people come. Inside joke of epic "proportions". hehe
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Post by: Dragonzord
g0atsticks wrote:Dragonzord wrote:wfischer wrote:
- Teammates who don't understand teamwork. Look, I understand that you think your army is the , but don't park your Rhinos in front of my Doomsday Ark and block its LOS. And if you do happen to mistakenly do so, be gracious enough to move them on our next turn instead of saying, "Oh, it doesn't matter, my lascannons will do more damage anyway". That's not the point.
Yehhh, i was playing a 2v1 the other week, and my 'ally' parked his predators infront of my shokk attack gun for 3 turns, even after i asked him to move them...
Also, i cant stand it when people challenge me on rules, especially when its my friends that dont know the rules, or even have a rulebook (and arent interested in getting one), and constantly argue with me about how im wrong, and how it doesnt make sense (like hitting the rear armour of a vehicle in close combat, or how close combat works in general, or that wounds are taken from the front and not from the one thats already lost wounds regardless of where the attacker is hitting from, the list goes on)... I know the rules, ive read the rulebook multiple times, you dont even own one and havent read it, shutup.
I used to be on of those people without a rulebook, now I have one and understand the rules. It stays in my bathroom if you catch my drift . Anyway, I've been reading the rules and see how many small things we're missing, when I bring any of them up, my friends whine WAAC blah blah blah. No I say. Its the rules, abide by them.
Of course they never have any issues when the "new" rules are in their favour.
An example. For the longest time we never made morale test. It was just "common" knowledge that you don't take leadership test in the shooting phase. Then I bought it up. I said, "you're right. You take morlae test." I then proceeded to pull out my new rulebook and force run over half of their army off of the board.
They should've bought a rulebook and this wouldn't have been a problem.
oh no, i agree with you totally. best place to keep the rulebook, and its poorly written rules
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Post by: DarknessEternal
Complaining about randomness and conceding before turn 2 is over.
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Post by: Savageconvoy
One thing I can't stand to see is someone trying to pull something over on me. Play naive one game with a random experienced player and act like you're new. See if he just casually forgets rules or things like that.
Happened to me where a guy dropped a vet squad out the back of a vendetta, rolled to scatter and landed on a large wall that my crisis suits were hugging against. The first model is on the very edge of the corner with the suits below. He continues to deploy the vets in a wedge shape away from the suits, doesn't mention a mishap, or even take a single dangerous terrain check.
I will never play that guy again. I would never knowingly pull a trick like that and would never take advantage of a less experienced player. Adding to that, I also call myself if I've forgotten to take a dangerous terrain check or morale check. Even if it's the during my opponents next shooting phase I'll point it out, take the tests, and remove models as neccessary.
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Post by: 797th Red Tigers
Being fairly new to 40k, I haven't had much trouble with etiquette. Although, like the post above, there was a problem with a more experienced player trying to cheat me with some invulnerable saves he didn't actually have on his Chaos Marines. I had read their profiles and possible upgrades before the game, so I knew that it was a load of bull.
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Post by: Anpu42
When it comes to conceding games, I don’t have an issue with it if it is obvious the game is all but over. If I have half a Grey Hunter Pack Left and I am looking at 120 Orks on the start of turn 3 [it has happened to be before], I will ask if want to call the game and start over. If he wants to I will continue.
Now if the guy quits the game because I killed of his special model while he was wining, I will just roll my eyes.
Where I have a fault is when I dealing with a specific model that seems to just vaporizes my units with no chance [Doom of The Doom of Malan'tai in a drop pod is my bane or the guy who decides my Sternguard are a better target with 5” S10 AP Templates rather than the wall of charging dreads.] I will Bit@h and whine about it for a turn or two, but by then I am doing it with humor.
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Post by: ALEXisAWESOME
I dont like it when you can see a person change there stance from friendly to compettitive in a game. Today i played some1 like that who was a nice vet player who would usually remind me about my flyer/flamers/moving and stuff like that but this game i got some luck and took out 2 pedaloes first turn and you could see his face change. He didnt remind me (im rather new to 40k) of anything and wouldnt let my proxy my flyer, WHILE THE FLYER WAS GLUING THE TABLE NEXT TO US!
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Post by: Pouncey
Dragonzord wrote:oh no, i agree with you totally. best place to keep the rulebook, and its poorly written rules
I keep my rulebook in the bathroom so I can read up on the rules whenever I need a bio-break.
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Post by: wfischer
g0atsticks wrote:dubovac wrote:Well I agree with most of things said before me but I really hate those big, blocky, transparent dices. When my opponent throws 20-30 of them and I cant spot those tiny dots on them. Really hate those...
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There used to be a pirate ship game, each pack came with 2 very very tiny little dice. The idea was to have everything in a pack that you needed to play. The game flucked, but I had literally hundreds of these dice. Super tiny tiny dice. Like 1 mm squared sized dice. I went over to my buddies and played one night with them. First roll of 18 or 20 rapid fire bolter shots. They left my hand, hit the table....all of my friends at the same time said "Fu*^ NO dude." I still have them for when new people come. Inside joke of epic "proportions". hehe
I'd love to have a set of these to use as wound counters!
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Post by: MandalorynOranj
 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:I dont like it when you can see a person change there stance from friendly to compettitive in a game. Today i played some1 like that who was a nice vet player who would usually remind me about my flyer/flamers/moving and stuff like that but this game i got some luck and took out 2 pedaloes first turn and you could see his face change. He didnt remind me (im rather new to 40k) of anything and wouldnt let my proxy my flyer, WHILE THE FLYER WAS GLUING THE TABLE NEXT TO US!
What's a pedaloe?
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Post by: TheCaptain
Some of these pet-peeves are ridiculous.
Only three reasonable ones:
-Cheating (fudging your list/rules/movement etc.)
-Poor sportsmanship during the game
-Poor sportsmanship after the game (bad winner or loser)
Oh, and being awful at the game and not knowing anything is a decent pet-peeve too, I suppose.
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Post by: Trickstick
 TheCaptain wrote:Some of these pet-peeves are ridiculous.
Only three reasonable ones:
-Cheating (fudging your list/rules/movement etc.)
-Poor sportsmanship during the game
-Poor sportsmanship after the game (bad winner or loser)
Oh, and being awful at the game and not knowing anything is a decent pet-peeve too, I suppose.
I think bad hygiene would be a decent addition to this list, but other than that it seems correct.
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Post by: happygolucky
 IHateNids wrote:I was going to say, my mates and I always list tailor against each other. The most fun is when we play 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 games and each tailor against a specific person and when the game starts we all randomly switch and have to make it work. Crazy but a lot of fun.
I recall trying that once. One guy got bored & left, so my opponants teammate went to play him at Warmachine.
They laft me and my main opponant with avbout 5000 points.
He had a LOT of Chaos marines, I had a mix of Necrons, Tau, and Space Marines. Hilarious fun.
I remember seeing a bit of that game, I felt sorry for the CSM player since most of the points was spent on combat specific things and everything on your army was a massive gun-line... I felt sorry for the poor fella 
However I will put down what peeves me off in the table etiquette:
-opponents attitude towards the game (as in if my opponents primary function is to win every game, but that overrides the golden rule of wargaming which is to have fun... we now have problems...)
-List tailoring! if I ask for it then its acceptable but if I Dont... no... I have not got time for that...
-When opponent/opponents cheese up the most narrative of games
-When opponent/opponents do not offer a handshake at the end of the game
-Cheating, self explanatory
I think this about covers it for me.
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Post by: conker249
Well the title says rude/annoying so people are saying what annoys them.
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Post by: Locclo
On the note of picking up fails/successes, I will say this much, as an Ork player the fails tend to far outweigh the successes on any given roll. I mean, armor saves from MegaNobz aside, when you roll 30 dice and only succeed on a 5 or a 6, you tend to spend a lot of time picking up the 20 dice that fail vs. the 10 that succeed. It's far, far more convenient to just grab the successes than grab fistfuls of dice that failed.
I mean, if you're playing marines, and have to roll 20 dice that hit on 3s, then please, pick up those fails. But if you're playing Orks, and have to roll 40 dice that only succeed on a 5, then by all means, grab those successes and sweep the fails out of the way. Just my two cents.
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Post by: AzureDeath
hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!
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Post by: Quanar
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pedalo&hl=en&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=xgzgUI3VBMaH0AWg04Fg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1360&bih=653
Seems unlikely he'd be able to fit 2 of those on a table, so I'd guess it's a local nickname for something. RT-era Landspeeder perhaps?
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Post by: Astelan
I had a game against a father son team at a doubles tournament last year.
The son was pretty cool but very young and wasn't super familiar with all the rules (which was fine).
But the father just sat down on the edge of the table and didn't move at all during our turns.
We would ask him questions / tell him things and he would just look at us blankly. As if we had offended him somehow.
He wouldn't hold templates for us as we reached across the table (annoying when there's a row of 6 tables and you literally can't walk over to the other side!).
Or confirm how many units were under our templates.
He even didn't bother to look at the dice we were rolling.
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Now I figured he was totally uninterested and was just there for his son. So I sort of accepted that and was kinda okay with it...
...Until turn 4 when he realized the custom mission totally favored him and it was nearly impossible for us to win.
After that he was cheerful, interested and talkative.
Worst experience I've ever had, the guy was a f**king piece of s**t. Some role model to his kid!
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Post by: Experiment 626
 Anpu42 wrote:When it comes to conceding games, I don’t have an issue with it if it is obvious the game is all but over. If I have half a Grey Hunter Pack Left and I am looking at 120 Orks on the start of turn 3 [it has happened to be before], I will ask if want to call the game and start over. If he wants to I will continue.
Now if the guy quits the game because I killed of his special model while he was wining, I will just roll my eyes.
Where I have a fault is when I dealing with a specific model that seems to just vaporizes my units with no chance [Doom of The Doom of Malan'tai in a drop pod is my bane or the guy who decides my Sternguard are a better target with 5” S10 AP Templates rather than the wall of charging dreads.] I will Bit@h and whine about it for a turn or two, but by then I am doing it with humor.
+1
I hate people who conced a game just because they lose one unit or character and throw a temper tantrum because of it... Seriously, so your 5 Hammernators died to grot blastas?! Suck-it-up-buttercup, you've still got 1300pts out of a 1500pts army to play with!
The only times I'd really conceded any game would be because;
a) My opponent was a giant donkeycave who Warp Quaked then entire table turn 1 and left me to try and deploy roughly 900pts of Daemons in an 8"x8" or so square in the back corner of the table...
b) My opponent is a giant @$$hat who first asks if I want, "to play a friendly game", then proceeds to pull out their filthy 'Ard Boyz list after I've deployed a non super competitive list...
Then followed this ruse up by poking fun at my abysmal dice rolling and saying how much I suck at this game.
As for people who quit because the dice are against them? Suck it up. It happens to everyone at some point! Hell, it happense to me almost every game!!! Heck, every. single. GW staffer. who knows me had fun pointing out on their Games Day '06 shirts that the Space Marine who rolled a 1 and was lying on his side was my dude/roll!
Mr.Kelly even commented he should likely get a custom stitched patch underneath the dead marine to read "Stephie's armour save roll". 
In the end it's funny! I end up joking about with my opponent things like, "let's see if after the first 20 guys forgot to hit the 'on-switch', this dude remebers to activate his ' POWER!' armour?!" (more times than not, he doesn't and I'm adding another dead marine to my ever-growing pile!)
At the very least I find I should at least respect my opponent and try to play through the cursed dice. It's their time as well, and if I can't win the game, I may as well set myself a new goal such as 'kill unit/model X in a blaze of glory!', or something like 'don't get tabled', or even 'how many pts worth of enemies can I kill with my remaining 500pts or so?'
Just because you almost certainly can no longer win the larger war, doesn't mean there aren't individual battles you can likely still win! 
Now excuse me as I go fail 3 or 4 or so Terminator saves in a row!
(there's a damn good I reason I like my Daemons - they don't get armour saves for me to fail!!!)
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Post by: loota boy
 AzureDeath wrote:hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!
The laser pointer punisher thing I understand, but otherwise, i'd say that if something is in range, its in range. So long as it touches, it's good. If you start saying "Oh, well, it barely touches" then i'd say yeah, well, it does touch. That counts. What, are you going to start demanding that all weapons have effective ranges 1" shorter so that it's a "Full" hit?
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Post by: Kaldor
AzureDeath wrote:hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!
What? That's just the rules. If you're in range, you're in range. Doesn't matter if it just clips the model. And LOS is LOS, regardless of lasers or not.
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Post by: Makutsu
List tailoring is fine as long as it is only knowing what army you use, like if I am going against Tyranids i am not going to bring anti tank stuff such as haywire grenades doesn't make any sense.
But if I knew for example my opponent was using a mechanised list and I spam waaaay more Dark Lances than normal then yes I don't like that and I don't do that.
I pick up dice whichever side has the minority of it since it's easier to remove that way.
I normally wait a couple of seconds so my opponent can see what I am picking up or let them do it as well. Less work for me~ jokes~
Complaining about unfortunate dice rolls happens to everybody that I have seen so far, including me. Maybe not like a constand moaning complain but you get a word out of upsetness a bit at least. Like I once rolled 6 1's in a row for something and then rolled a bunch of 6's for leadership tests. So yeah, I think it's fine to express the unluckiness a bit but not to the extent where it's throughout the game or to quit.
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Post by: Guardsmen Bob
When people roll scatter dice so far away from the target, and it seems like by the time they bring the ruler from the dice to the marker it's pointing in a different direction.
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Post by: timetowaste85
 Guardsmen Bob wrote:When people roll scatter dice so far away from the target, and it seems like by the time they bring the ruler from the dice to the marker it's pointing in a different direction.
It gets worse when you call them on it, offer to correct it, and they tell you that you can't draw a straight line to save your life (despite keeping it perfectly straight) and they swing it around 45 degrees to measure incorrectly 3 more times in a row. My friends do this. Thank God we stopped playing games with scatter dice...it was becoming a chore to play games with them.
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Post by: ALEXisAWESOME
Kaldor wrote: AzureDeath wrote:hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!
What? That's just the rules. If you're in range, you're in range. Doesn't matter if it just clips the model. And LOS is LOS, regardless of lasers or not.
Not necessarily, i think what he is getting at, which all dark eldar understand is that he just clips the raiders front ram or saying he can shoot me because my sail is above the wall... le sigh... Under the rules those bits dont count as the hull of the vehical and carnt be targetted. One person rage quit caling me a powergamer because i wouldn't let him fire his plasma gun into the ram of my raider, which i didnt upgrade it to. What did he expect me to do, pull off the raiders ram so there is a gapping whole in my model?
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Post by: g0atsticks
 Locclo wrote:On the note of picking up fails/successes, I will say this much, as an Ork player the fails tend to far outweigh the successes on any given roll. I mean, armor saves from MegaNobz aside, when you roll 30 dice and only succeed on a 5 or a 6, you tend to spend a lot of time picking up the 20 dice that fail vs. the 10 that succeed. It's far, far more convenient to just grab the successes than grab fistfuls of dice that failed.
I mean, if you're playing marines, and have to roll 20 dice that hit on 3s, then please, pick up those fails. But if you're playing Orks, and have to roll 40 dice that only succeed on a 5, then by all means, grab those successes and sweep the fails out of the way. Just my two cents.
good point. orks. just another annoying side effect...
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Post by: atlervetok
ALEXisAWESOME wrote: Kaldor wrote: AzureDeath wrote:hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!
What? That's just the rules. If you're in range, you're in range. Doesn't matter if it just clips the model. And LOS is LOS, regardless of lasers or not.
Not necessarily, i think what he is getting at, which all dark eldar understand is that he just clips the raiders front ram or saying he can shoot me because my sail is above the wall... le sigh... Under the rules those bits dont count as the hull of the vehical and carnt be targetted. One person rage quit caling me a powergamer because i wouldn't let him fire his plasma gun into the ram of my raider, which i didnt upgrade it to. What did he expect me to do, pull off the raiders ram so there is a gapping whole in my model?
as far as i can see that ram is part of the hull i agree on the sail but the ram i didnt know it was a weapon untill you said it here, but then you couldnt target a defrolla on an ork vehicle right?
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Post by: g0atsticks
atlervetok wrote: ALEXisAWESOME wrote: Kaldor wrote: AzureDeath wrote:hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!
What? That's just the rules. If you're in range, you're in range. Doesn't matter if it just clips the model. And LOS is LOS, regardless of lasers or not.
Not necessarily, i think what he is getting at, which all dark eldar understand is that he just clips the raiders front ram or saying he can shoot me because my sail is above the wall... le sigh... Under the rules those bits dont count as the hull of the vehical and carnt be targetted. One person rage quit caling me a powergamer because i wouldn't let him fire his plasma gun into the ram of my raider, which i didnt upgrade it to. What did he expect me to do, pull off the raiders ram so there is a gapping whole in my model?
as far as i can see that ram is part of the hull i agree on the sail but the ram i didnt know it was a weapon untill you said it here, but then you couldnt target a defrolla on an ork vehicle right?
This is where you need to step back and remeber this crap is just a game. I may not always have LoS, but when I do I shoot the ram....the road goes both ways.
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Post by: atlervetok
g0atsticks wrote:atlervetok wrote: ALEXisAWESOME wrote: Kaldor wrote: AzureDeath wrote:hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!
What? That's just the rules. If you're in range, you're in range. Doesn't matter if it just clips the model. And LOS is LOS, regardless of lasers or not.
Not necessarily, i think what he is getting at, which all dark eldar understand is that he just clips the raiders front ram or saying he can shoot me because my sail is above the wall... le sigh... Under the rules those bits dont count as the hull of the vehical and carnt be targetted. One person rage quit caling me a powergamer because i wouldn't let him fire his plasma gun into the ram of my raider, which i didnt upgrade it to. What did he expect me to do, pull off the raiders ram so there is a gapping whole in my model?
as far as i can see that ram is part of the hull i agree on the sail but the ram i didnt know it was a weapon untill you said it here, but then you couldnt target a defrolla on an ork vehicle right?
This is where you need to step back and remeber this crap is just a game. I may not always have LoS, but when I do I shoot the ram....the road goes both ways.
hmmm i must have come over wrong the defrolla thing was a genuine question, ofcourse this is a game, and i was just telling you that i thaught the ram was part of the design of the vehicle (never played DE yet)
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Post by: g0atsticks
atlervetok wrote: g0atsticks wrote:atlervetok wrote: ALEXisAWESOME wrote: Kaldor wrote: AzureDeath wrote:hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!
What? That's just the rules. If you're in range, you're in range. Doesn't matter if it just clips the model. And LOS is LOS, regardless of lasers or not.
Not necessarily, i think what he is getting at, which all dark eldar understand is that he just clips the raiders front ram or saying he can shoot me because my sail is above the wall... le sigh... Under the rules those bits dont count as the hull of the vehical and carnt be targetted. One person rage quit caling me a powergamer because i wouldn't let him fire his plasma gun into the ram of my raider, which i didnt upgrade it to. What did he expect me to do, pull off the raiders ram so there is a gapping whole in my model?
as far as i can see that ram is part of the hull i agree on the sail but the ram i didnt know it was a weapon untill you said it here, but then you couldnt target a defrolla on an ork vehicle right?
This is where you need to step back and remeber this crap is just a game. I may not always have LoS, but when I do I shoot the ram....the road goes both ways.
hmmm i must have come over wrong the defrolla thing was a genuine question, ofcourse this is a game, and i was just telling you that i thaught the ram was part of the design of the vehicle (never played DE yet)
The ram isn't part of the model, you were right, but if the guy is going to be a dick to you, no reason you can't be one back to him when the time is right.
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Post by: Big Mek Dattrukk
One thing that peeves me is when somebody will roll so that their dice are not visible to me. There is one guy who always seems to roll behind a terrain piece, and pick up the dice quickly.
On a side note, when i have to roll a massive number of dice with my orks, i will either break it into smaller groups where i can pull the fails more easily, or roll it all at once, and ask my opponent to help me pull the fails out. (i have had an opponent ask me to roll the attacks of a full strength boyz mob all at once. that was not easy.) Automatically Appended Next Post:  timetowaste85 wrote: Guardsmen Bob wrote:When people roll scatter dice so far away from the target, and it seems like by the time they bring the ruler from the dice to the marker it's pointing in a different direction.
It gets worse when you call them on it, offer to correct it, and they tell you that you can't draw a straight line to save your life (despite keeping it perfectly straight) and they swing it around 45 degrees to measure incorrectly 3 more times in a row. My friends do this. Thank God we stopped playing games with scatter dice...it was becoming a chore to play games with them.
I have considered building a Spinning arrow into my templates, and then rolling a D3 instead of the scatter die.
1: opponent spins the spinner.
2: I spin the spinner
3: no scatter
If a special rule says it always scatters, than just spin the spinner.
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Post by: sarpedons-right-hand
Annoying table etiquette? I've seen my fair share, but list tailoring and funky smells are right up there. List tailoring annoys the hell out me. But seeing as its part of the game, I've kinda learnt to put up with it. I figure that if I can beat a list that's been tailored specifically to beat me then I'm doing something right!
Funky smells, that's another thing entirely. Please people, this hobby gets its fair share of detractors, and a lot of the complaints are made towards smelly, antisocial neck beards. Would it kill you to have a shower and a shave before you leave your house? Would it? I have a physical job (I'm a nurse) and therefore I'm pretty reeking after a 12 hour shift. But it takes 10 minutes to grab a shower and throw on some anti-perspirant, ya know?!
It's one of the reasons that my wife stopped going with me to watch games. Smelly, anti-social young men, arguing and acting like general douche bags.....
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Post by: Darrett
Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:One thing that peeves me is when somebody will roll so that their dice are not visible to me. There is one guy who always seems to roll behind a terrain piece, and pick up the dice quickly.
I'm guilty of this, though I don't pick up the successes. I pick out failures and either lift the intervening terrain or ask them to take a look. It's not intentional, but it seems like often the dice end up behind terrain features.
My main annoyance is people not knowing their rules. Just played a necron player who thought living metal negated any penetrating hit result on a successful roll.
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Post by: TheSneak109
One thing I'm glad I haven't seen in this thread: opponents intentionally breaking/damaging your models in a fit of rage.
I've read a few horror stories about this here and there and I'm happy there haven't been any stories like that thus far, but has anyone seen/experienced this? I'd imagine it's a pretty damn rare thing.
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Post by: Eldercaveman
Just had another come to mind after my game this evening, when a player rage quits/ calls the game on turn 3 when I get a lucky explode result and kill one of his 6 flying croissants with my hive guard, despite the fact that he had killed both my flyrants and a tervigons.
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Post by: Muzwa
Had a guy give up turn one after I Deathwing assaulted an squad with assault cannon and got a lucky exploding pen on a basilisk. That really pissed me off, since my flgs had a one game/day policy cause of numbers. Waited 3 hours for a game that lasted 5 minutes. F*** right off. If you agree to a game Don't give up if ONE dice roll doesn't go your way!
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Post by: Brock79
Pretty much all of my pet peeves have been mentioned, but I'll mention an old one. Guess weapons. Every now and then I would get an opponent who would start their turn of shooting by saying "Okay, my _____ is going to fire and I guess...." then proceed to extend their tape measure as they guessed the exact distance to their target. No way, you guessed 37" to my squad of ______ and the blast marker is exactly placed where it will hit the most models! How did you possibly guess that while measuring the distance at the same time?!
Sadly, I encountered this nonsense in no less than a Grand Tournament. Ah well, it's all in the past now.
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Post by: Dragonzord
 Brock79 wrote:Pretty much all of my pet peeves have been mentioned, but I'll mention an old one. Guess weapons. Every now and then I would get an opponent who would start their turn of shooting by saying "Okay, my _____ is going to fire and I guess...." then proceed to extend their tape measure as they guessed the exact distance to their target. No way, you guessed 37" to my squad of ______ and the blast marker is exactly placed where it will hit the most models! How did you possibly guess that while measuring the distance at the same time?!
Sadly, I encountered this nonsense in no less than a Grand Tournament. Ah well, it's all in the past now.
How do guess weapons work now that you can premeasure everything? Was wondering that..
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Post by: Experiment 626
Dragonzord wrote: Brock79 wrote:Pretty much all of my pet peeves have been mentioned, but I'll mention an old one. Guess weapons. Every now and then I would get an opponent who would start their turn of shooting by saying "Okay, my _____ is going to fire and I guess...." then proceed to extend their tape measure as they guessed the exact distance to their target. No way, you guessed 37" to my squad of ______ and the blast marker is exactly placed where it will hit the most models! How did you possibly guess that while measuring the distance at the same time?!
Sadly, I encountered this nonsense in no less than a Grand Tournament. Ah well, it's all in the past now.
How do guess weapons work now that you can premeasure everything? Was wondering that..
Old relic of a rule from waaaaaaaay back in 3rd edition.
Alot of people would have little tricks to cheat such as pre-measure their arm from elbow ot wrist and then casually lay their arm on the table, giving them a far better idea of the range to a target.
It was far, far worse in Fantasy however.
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Post by: Apple fox
What I find rude an annoying is when playing a game and they start complaining or talking about stuff they don't like that I like with nothing to do with games >.<.
Like using a iPad for my lists since I can't use a pencil have started a anti apple rant :0 or you read that magazine aimed for girls that I don't like.
I think this sorta stuff irks me more then any of the ingame stuff.
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Post by: Caranthir987
I agree with what TheCaptain said on page 4 of this thread - there are a lot of very picky pet hates here.
One that's been mentioned a couple of times that I may be guilty of is with having my dice all over the table. However, this came from someone accusing me once of not rolling my dice properly and trying to aim to roll 5's and 6's. So now I do kinda splash them down. I don't see any harm in it really - if I loose some of my own dice I don't see how that negatively effects my opponent tbh.
My personal pet hate - which I have been trying to be more calm about - is side seat gamers. Does. My. Head. In.
I have been known to give the occasional perpatrator of this the hairdryer treatment a couple of times in my FLGS. Not new guys or folks who are wandering in curious about the game, but some of the 'vets' giving advice or predicting outcome of the game on turn 1&2/disparaging me or my opponent's armies/calling dice/asking 'why are you doing that??' to me or opponent. It's pretty ignorant, and even though I play in a few tournaments - and therefore when watching games I can blatantly see if someone is cheating or being particularly unfair - I don't intervene as I dislike when folks do in my games. For me, if there are rules disputes its between the two people playing the game, and not the 10 people watching it. (my local GW is usually very busy!)
As for list tailoring/cheating - I play amongst quite a large group of friends who regularly go to tournaments so therefore don't feel i have to analyse their lists or quiz them over everything. It sometimes may get heated, but i know there wont be any intentional cheating/bs
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Post by: Talizvar
Good manners:
-Painted miniatures: makes it fun for your opponent because it has some "reality" to it and less imagination. Makes it easier to see the special weapons, all black primer army is brutal to figure out.
- Make a point to ask to look at some of his miniatures: good conversions and paint jobs.
- Laugh at your own horrible rolls.
- Speed roll, take out the bad, re-roll the good (hit, wound, save) gives time to see all good dice.
- I have had those days where the rolls were insanely good, offer to have your opponent roll your dice for a turn or two (may need some explaining if his luck turns…).
- For the first turn I point out things my opponent missed and give him a chance to re-do this also gives me an idea of their skill level.
Bad Manners:
- Roll where possible only one dice at a time with a "special" way. This is called "natural rolling" and is why people make dice rolling boxes.
- Some people get upset when your opponent shouts out "roll ones!!!!" I do not care but fistfights have happened over this.
- When people field obvious rules exploits AND it does not fit in the "fluff" of the army AND/OR the models are not well painted (how can you gripe if obvious work was put into it?).
- Parallax error movement holding tape measure up 6” and getting an extra 2” due to angle of view.
- Gloating in general, name calling.
- Swearing at your opponent unless they are good friends then it is expected.
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Post by: kronk
timetowaste85 wrote: Guardsmen Bob wrote:When people roll scatter dice so far away from the target, and it seems like by the time they bring the ruler from the dice to the marker it's pointing in a different direction.
It gets worse when you call them on it, offer to correct it, and they tell you that you can't draw a straight line to save your life (despite keeping it perfectly straight) and they swing it around 45 degrees to measure incorrectly 3 more times in a row. My friends do this. Thank God we stopped playing games with scatter dice...it was becoming a chore to play games with them.
Yep, roll it close to the target. Also, we've found that those crappy red whippy sticks you get in the starter set come in handy here.
Place the whippy stick on top of the scatter die if you roll a scatter. Hold either another whippy stick or the ruler/tape measure parallel to it. It makes it easier to see if you are at the correct angle.
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Post by: edbradders
Spyral wrote:
-rolling the scatter dice a mile away from the target and veering
-being 'generous' with movement/measurement
These are my pet peeves.
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Post by: TheMostWize
Experiment 626 wrote:
- Smelling highly offensive. How hard is it to shower and use a little bit of soap?!
At the very least, if say you're coming to the local store from work/sports, is it too hard to have a change of clothes and some de-oderent? There's nothing worse than trying to play a game when Uncle Nurgle's lovechild is stinking up the place!
This is hilarious and one of the main reasons I cannot stand going to my FLGS to play games you walk in and it seems like no one in there knows what a shower even is the humidity level is like a billion which does not help the smell at all.
It is for this reason that I prefer to stay at home and play with my close knit group of friends...
Oh yea and the fact that I hate playing against whiners who cheat.
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Post by: Anpu42
So what you think of “Dice Cups” and/or Dice Towers?
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Post by: kronk
Anpu42 wrote:So what you think of “Dice Cups” and/or Dice Towers?
I'm fine with them, but when you have a horde army firing 40 lasgun or shoota shots, they aren't very practical.
I built a dice tower using Hirst Arts blocks, but only use it for RPG's and goofing around.
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Post by: Dark-Warrior-Art
I will admit that I am guilty of a good portion of these "crimes", and would like to come clean. Also, I have some new ones:
GUILTY:
- Food on the Table (we all do it around dinner time )
- Scatter Dice Launcher (accidentally do it once in a while)
- Sneaky Dice Grab (used to do it in the beginning, but I quickly begged the dark gods for forgiveness. They have since blessed me with constant 6's,which is not always a good thing.)
- List Altering/Number Crunch Fail (Did it horribly wrong in the beginning, now we have an awesome set of Excel Sheets for calculations)
- Frustrating Rants (happens to the best of us, we have a bad roll day, pet died, bad day at work, etc.)
- Unprepared (will go into detail with my pet-peeves)
- Sidetracking (Discussing things that aren't relevant to the game, Once again, we've all done it.)
- Basics ( I am trying to get better at this, but I am still having a hard time memorizing the Hit and Wound Chart, as well as the Vehicle Damage Chart.  Gettin' there, but not 100%)
- Not Visible Dice Rolling (I have done it, but I call over the people to show them the roll before I pick it up.)
Now, for the parts that I LOOOOOOOAAAATTTHEEE ENTIRELY:
HATE!:
- Army Tailoring ( I will go out of my way, I will find the biggest baddest model you have on the field, put everything near it that can fly, hover, deep strike, aim every bombardment at it, and I WILL CRUSH IT. I don't care about winning or losing at that point, since you have already made your army to pick off every single unit with precision. *Insert Rage Face Here*)
- Unprepared ( I have this problem, and I know it annoys my friends, which is why I have it on my list as things I hate. This person would be unprepared in many different ways, I am guilty of all of these. 1. No Army List 2. No Codex for your Army 3. No Dice)
- Dice Dropping ( I counteract this problem by "putting a little English in my tosses," as my friends call it. If you Dice Drop, and I see you, you will re-roll the dice. Period.)
- Statisticians (Don't freak out when your GK 5-man Termie squad with a Daemon Hammer gets tabled by a Blood Slaughterer. The dice were rolled, and you rolled poorly. Don't gimme that "That shouldn't have happened! Blahblahblahblah67.7% hit ratio blahblahblah 3.825 hits blahblahbl-I DON'T WANNA HEAR IT. My friend does it, and I let him do it, but that's because I've known him for 24 years and he's a big number nerd for that kinda stuff. Doesn't mean I like it.)
- Smelly Players (I haven't had that type of an experience with the people I play with, but I bring a stick of deodorant with me everywhere I go in case I am the Stinkmeiser. Or I go home and shower and play another day.)
- Old Codex Nostalgia (These people need to sit down and read the new codex. Then, they need to go up into their brains, highlight all the old rules, and send them to the recycle bin, then empty it. Don't be all suprised about the rules change and be like " OH WOW, That's way different from 3rd edition! I remember when it used to mov-DAMMIT ITS 6TH EDITION FOR THE HATE OF KHORNE!)
-Dice Tossers ( When someone throws their dice all over the table and hits models, falls off, lands in terrain and sits all crooked and junk. We have an old plastic bird bath looking like thing we found at a garage sale and use that as our dice rolling altar. That fixes the problem with sneaky dice and tossing wildly.)
Hope you enjoyed my Confessions and Rants.
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Post by: g0atsticks
I was doing ok until i read, "...dice rolling altar." Thats funny. Alter.
Candles around it?
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Post by: Dark-Warrior-Art
g0atsticks wrote:I was doing ok until i read, "...dice rolling altar." Thats funny. Alter.
Candles around it?
As a matter of fact... no. But I wish it was that way. That would be cooler. But no, no candles. And no blood sacrificing either for all you thinking about it.
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Post by: Goat
I like my local group but my peeve is some play their list the way it "should" be "fluff" bunnies... and get all poopy pants when I crush them into oblivion with initiative 6 force weapons. Than I get crud for running crazy OP lists and GKs are OP cheese. I'm like bro do you even warhammer? Keep the fluff with your paint and your blog novels of your army that no one cares about. You know who I am and I came to win.
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Post by: Dragonzord
 Goat wrote:I like my local group but my peeve is some play their list the way it "should" be "fluff" bunnies... and get all poopy pants when I crush them into oblivion with initiative 6 force weapons. Than I get crud for running crazy OP lists and GKs are OP cheese. I'm like bro do you even warhammer? Keep the fluff with your paint and your blog novels of your army that no one cares about. You know who I am and I came to win.
Its not fluff to enjoy a fair game... I'm not saying GK arent fair, but it sounds like you'd do anything to win... Which i dont think anyone enjoys playing against..
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Post by: hobojebus
...you dont sacrifice to the dice gods before each roll?HERETIC!!!!!!!!!
We play in a friends kitchen so we are always eating and drinking around the game board its great.
We also hugely enjoy our mid match games of hunt the dice after they bounce off the table.
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Post by: Wyrmalla
People that are rude about spectators. I welcome people watching my games, but find it rude when people disallow you pulling up a chair or the like in a public gaming space. Its something that I come across all the time in Games Workshop and it really does my head in that the types that do it seem to be doing it out of a sense of arrogance.
Playing against people that don't offer any banter or conversation is also something I dislike. Its bothers me when my opponent seems so focussed on the game that they can't have a joke.
Argueing over silly little things really does my head in. Its alright when its a point that can be debated with merit, but when the other person is doing it out of sheer ignorance (ie when everyone else is saying their wrong...) or to exploit something it puts a foul mood over a game. If you're going to focuss on something dumb then I'll just try and wrap up the game as quickly as I can and find someone that takes the thing a lot less seriously. =P
Saying that I can't use a model because its not exactly WYSIWYG. Every model I field is half sculpted from scratch. Okay, so my vehicles don't have the same profile as the GW models, don't start belittling me because I went out my way to scratch build something. I had one opponent who spent the whole game picking at me over this, coming out with things like, "That thing must have been made on a bad Forgeworld or something. It should have its movement halfed." or other unhumourous statements. Don't belittle someone because they're not using models straight out of the box. It doesn't matter if the conversion isn't spectacular, the guy probably spent some time on the thing (and hey everyone else appreciates my conversions  ).
Yeah ...Most of these issues only crop up in GW, but I guess that's just a reflection on the low standards that my local one can have. =/
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Post by: wfischer
hobojebus wrote:
We also hugely enjoy our mid match games of hunt the dice after they bounce off the table.
My group uses an upside-down frisbee to roll dice into, though some people prefer to roll directly on the table.
It has been suggested that dice that bounce onto the floor count as automatic fails. After all, if you can't hit a 6'x4' table with a 12mm die, how can you be expected to shoot a tank from 24"?
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Post by: Goat
Dragonzord wrote: Goat wrote:I like my local group but my peeve is some play their list the way it "should" be "fluff" bunnies... and get all poopy pants when I crush them into oblivion with initiative 6 force weapons. Than I get crud for running crazy OP lists and GKs are OP cheese. I'm like bro do you even warhammer? Keep the fluff with your paint and your blog novels of your army that no one cares about. You know who I am and I came to win.
Its not fluff to enjoy a fair game... I'm not saying GK arent fair, but it sounds like you'd do anything to win... Which i dont think anyone enjoys playing against..
Nah I just enjoy competition. I'd be a necron airforce player or a flamer/screamer player in addition to my GK army if I was a do anything to win guy. I do want to win. But if someone wants to fling poo because thier army was S-canned due to terrible build structure it shouldn't be my problem. Keep the fluff out of the X's and O's. Again, this just comes from my competitive nature.
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Post by: darkshard
My pet peeves:
Completely unpainted/basecoat only armies; I don't have so much of a problem with this if it's a new army or a new unit of yours, or if you're new to the game. One of my friends is guilty of this. He has 4 armies, all of which are almost entirely unpainted, most of his models haven't even been base coated which pisses me off hugely.
Gloating: God I can't stand gloating.
Rolling your dice one at a time in such a way you are virtually guaranteed not to fail; The same from who doesn't paint his armies also uses this rolling technique, it's hard to describe the exact movement he uses, but its basic result is that he can't fail to get a 5 or 6.
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Post by: tundrafrog1124
Now I've been in the hobby for about five years, since fifth grade so I'm pretty young. I'm mainly just in it for modeling and painting but play the occasional game.
GUILTY
But I only play about three times every six months so I constantly need help from my opponent as to some rules. I know this is a bit rude but I'm sorry I just don't play that often. Most of the time at my local GW the people are nice enough to help me.
I'm not very competitive in fact I would rather have an absolutely horrible but fluffy list than a "winner" list, sorry but I just like it that way.
PET PEEVES
Take a fething shower
Overly competitive lists, Tony Kopach who is a player at my local store has won national tournaments. (I forget the name) but before you play him he asks whether you want him to play his tournament list or not.
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Post by: Skriker
 797th Red Tigers wrote:Being fairly new to 40k, I haven't had much trouble with etiquette. Although, like the post above, there was a problem with a more experienced player trying to cheat me with some invulnerable saves he didn't actually have on his Chaos Marines. I had read their profiles and possible upgrades before the game, so I knew that it was a load of bull.
Your life must be really pathetic if the only way you can feel good about yourself is cheating in a game with toy soldiers against completely new players. That is just sad...I hope you patted him on the back for being so pathetic at the same time. He obviously really needed the self esteem boost and you ruined it for him.
Skriker Automatically Appended Next Post:  Wyrmalla wrote:People that are rude about spectators. I welcome people watching my games, but find it rude when people disallow you pulling up a chair or the like in a public gaming space. Its something that I come across all the time in Games Workshop and it really does my head in that the types that do it seem to be doing it out of a sense of arrogance.
I don't mind spectators as long as that is what they are. Also don't mind friendly kibitizing at the table either, but I am playing my opponent. But here is a list of don'ts for me as a game spectator:
1) Don't rules lawyer someone else's game. If the players don't care and moved on you have no say.
2) Don't try to run the game or play the game. Let them play the game. Sure you may have done something differently, or "better" in your mind. Keep it to yourself as it is not your game. At the end of the game if you want to offer advice to a newer player how they could have done something differently, then by all means do so. Don't interrupt the game, though.
3) Don't touch any minis on the table. NO EXCEPTIONS.
4) Don't touch any minis or books not currently on the table without permission. NO EXCEPTIONS.
5) Don't insult the players who's game it is. Show some manners and respect.
Do cheer when someone does something cool.
Do groan when someone takes a painful loss.
Do complement the players on a well fought game.
There are exceptions to a couple of the don'ts, but they happen when you aren't just a spectator. If a game is a learning game and you've been asked to help keep the vet honest and help the newbie learn and do better then #1 and #2 are acceptable and expected. Also in such situations it is also OK to mock the vet incessantly if the newb tables them without any real input from you. #3- to 5 have no exceptions in my book.
Skriker
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Post by: Tod
Most of the above
felixander wrote:Eldercaveman wrote:Can I ask what the perceived difference or problem is with picking up successful instead of failed dice?
If your opponent picks up an extra die that was actually a success but he calls it a failure... well that's your opponent's fault.
If your opponent picks up an extra die that was actually a failure but he calls it a success... well now you have a problem.
This has happened to me a few times and I hate it.
Also, I turned up to a tourny and my opponent had an eldar warlock and 6 marines. 
I ask him where the rest of his army is, he replies: 'oh, I was just about to and get them'
He walks over to the shop-part of the store and buys a single box of dark eldar jet bikes.
After half-an-hour of pain watching him try to build two of the jet bikes I just say he can proxy the bases as jet bikes.
By this time we only have 30 minutes left and him asks: 'so, how do you play this game?'
As you can imagine, i was pritty ed off
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Post by: Skriker
 darkshard wrote:My pet peeves:
Completely unpainted/basecoat only armies; I don't have so much of a problem with this if it's a new army or a new unit of yours, or if you're new to the game. One of my friends is guilty of this. He has 4 armies, all of which are almost entirely unpainted, most of his models haven't even been base coated which pisses me off hugely.
This one always amuses me. People who get offended that your army isn't painted. In my lifetime I have built and painted more armies than most people have ever done. Just because the minis I have on the table today aren't fully painted doesn't mean anything. Also I tend to view my painting hobby separately from my gaming hobby. I hate painting the same colors across an entire army all completely before moving on to the next one, so alternate units from different armies I have on the painting table. So all my armies have some painted and some unpainted minis. Most are at least base coated now in the default colors, but need detailing. You can prefer to play only against painted armies, but someone who hasn't painted as many armies as I have through the years who gives me grief for not having a fully painted army *today* can kiss my backside...
For some people it often comes down to Paint or Play in their schedules. Unless there is another good reason to stay home then 99% of the time I will pick Play over paint because if you just sit home and paint instead of playing you are a mini collector and not a mini gamer. If there is a blizzard outside painting would probably win because it would be dangerous to go out to play anyway.
Skriker
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Post by: Dr. What
Things I like about gaming:
With one of my friends, we decided to try a rule where you could only talk positively about the game (no groaning). Moreso, you could only brag about your opponents units. Best game I've ever played.
Things I don't like:
DON'T TOUCH MY MODELS! Seriously, they are expensive, and I try and take care of them. Do not touch my stuff without my permission. Especially if you are sick/have greasy hands.
If I say that fleet lets me re-roll my charge range, please don't shout out "No it doesn't, fleet sucks now." Just check your rulebook. Adding to that, if you don't believe a stat/rule, please ask to see it, don't just grab my codex and search for it, especially not the new CSM one.
Please don't spend the game bragging about how awesome a certain unit is, or that you think a rule is stupid ("Flyers are dumb." "2 inch coherency is stupid, it should be 1 inch." "It's BS2? Why do you bother shooting?"), it's in the game and it does get playtested.
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Post by: Trench-Raider
I admit that I have a bad habit that I'm pretty sure would annoy some people: I talk out die rolls. That is to say when I roll the dice I always talk through it like this. "Ok, 20 shots needing a three to hit. Alright that's 12 hits. Now I need threes to wound. Ok, I got five wounds. You have a three plus save." So what's the problem with that you say? It's called communication, right? The problem is that I tend to talk through opponent's die rolls as well as my own.  I'm aware I tend to do it, and I try not to. But I still catch msyelf at it from time to time and I'm sure it annoys someone.
My own primary pet peave are:
-Touching my models. Depending on the army some of the stuff on my table is probably older than you are. Plus it's my property. Ask first. I have no issue with you admiring my work/the cool old models. But be polite and ask permission before grabbing one. I've been known to get pretty cross with some kiddie who just runs up and snatches something off my table.
-Trash talk/insults/name calling. If your opponent is a good friend and you talk to each like that all the time, then it's fine. (even if it's still annoying to bystanders) But why would you act that way with a stranger you are playing with in a casual pick up game or (god forbid) a tournement? This is not 4chan, so please be polite and respectful. Thankfully this is something that I have not experienced more than one or two times.
TR
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Post by: Exalbaru
 sarpedons-right-hand wrote:Annoying table etiquette? I've seen my fair share, but list tailoring and funky smells are right up there. List tailoring annoys the hell out me. But seeing as its part of the game, I've kinda learnt to put up with it. I figure that if I can beat a list that's been tailored specifically to beat me then I'm doing something right!
Funky smells, that's another thing entirely. Please people, this hobby gets its fair share of detractors, and a lot of the complaints are made towards smelly, antisocial neck beards. Would it kill you to have a shower and a shave before you leave your house? Would it? I have a physical job (I'm a nurse) and therefore I'm pretty reeking after a 12 hour shift. But it takes 10 minutes to grab a shower and throw on some anti-perspirant, ya know?!
It's one of the reasons that my wife stopped going with me to watch games. Smelly, anti-social young men, arguing and acting like general douche bags.....
I've encountered this issue before too. It can really be distracting. If it was my friend I'd tell him he stinks like ass and needs to take a shower but I can't to random joe schmoe because even though its doing him a favor because he may not notice it he will get mad and but hurt. Trying to do him a favor afterall.
To the previous DE stuff I feel the pointed "ram" of the raiders/ravagers isn't part of the hull but is part of the model. Its supposed to be on there even if you did not upgrade to 'shock prow' its still there just not the shock one which has its own bit
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