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Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:
One thing that peeves me is when somebody will roll so that their dice are not visible to me. There is one guy who always seems to roll behind a terrain piece, and pick up the dice quickly.

I'm guilty of this, though I don't pick up the successes. I pick out failures and either lift the intervening terrain or ask them to take a look. It's not intentional, but it seems like often the dice end up behind terrain features.

My main annoyance is people not knowing their rules. Just played a necron player who thought living metal negated any penetrating hit result on a successful roll.

One thing I'm glad I haven't seen in this thread: opponents intentionally breaking/damaging your models in a fit of rage.

I've read a few horror stories about this here and there and I'm happy there haven't been any stories like that thus far, but has anyone seen/experienced this? I'd imagine it's a pretty damn rare thing.

Just had another come to mind after my game this evening, when a player rage quits/ calls the game on turn 3 when I get a lucky explode result and kill one of his 6 flying croissants with my hive guard, despite the fact that he had killed both my flyrants and a tervigons.

Had a guy give up turn one after I Deathwing assaulted an squad with assault cannon and got a lucky exploding pen on a basilisk. That really pissed me off, since my flgs had a one game/day policy cause of numbers. Waited 3 hours for a game that lasted 5 minutes. F*** right off. If you agree to a game Don't give up if ONE dice roll doesn't go your way!

Pretty much all of my pet peeves have been mentioned, but I'll mention an old one. Guess weapons. Every now and then I would get an opponent who would start their turn of shooting by saying "Okay, my _____ is going to fire and I guess...." then proceed to extend their tape measure as they guessed the exact distance to their target. No way, you guessed 37" to my squad of ______ and the blast marker is exactly placed where it will hit the most models! How did you possibly guess that while measuring the distance at the same time?!

Sadly, I encountered this nonsense in no less than a Grand Tournament. Ah well, it's all in the past now.

 Brock79 wrote:
Pretty much all of my pet peeves have been mentioned, but I'll mention an old one. Guess weapons. Every now and then I would get an opponent who would start their turn of shooting by saying "Okay, my _____ is going to fire and I guess...." then proceed to extend their tape measure as they guessed the exact distance to their target. No way, you guessed 37" to my squad of ______ and the blast marker is exactly placed where it will hit the most models! How did you possibly guess that while measuring the distance at the same time?!

Sadly, I encountered this nonsense in no less than a Grand Tournament. Ah well, it's all in the past now.

How do guess weapons work now that you can premeasure everything? Was wondering that..

Dragonzord wrote:

 Brock79 wrote:
Pretty much all of my pet peeves have been mentioned, but I'll mention an old one. Guess weapons. Every now and then I would get an opponent who would start their turn of shooting by saying "Okay, my _____ is going to fire and I guess...." then proceed to extend their tape measure as they guessed the exact distance to their target. No way, you guessed 37" to my squad of ______ and the blast marker is exactly placed where it will hit the most models! How did you possibly guess that while measuring the distance at the same time?!

Sadly, I encountered this nonsense in no less than a Grand Tournament. Ah well, it's all in the past now.

How do guess weapons work now that you can premeasure everything? Was wondering that..

Old relic of a rule from waaaaaaaay back in 3rd edition.
Alot of people would have little tricks to cheat such as pre-measure their arm from elbow ot wrist and then casually lay their arm on the table, giving them a far better idea of the range to a target.

It was far, far worse in Fantasy however.

What I find rude an annoying is when playing a game and they start complaining or talking about stuff they don't like that I like with nothing to do with games >.<.

Like using a iPad for my lists since I can't use a pencil have started a anti apple rant :0 or you read that magazine aimed for girls that I don't like.

I think this sorta stuff irks me more then any of the ingame stuff.

I agree with what TheCaptain said on page 4 of this thread - there are a lot of very picky pet hates here.

One that's been mentioned a couple of times that I may be guilty of is with having my dice all over the table. However, this came from someone accusing me once of not rolling my dice properly and trying to aim to roll 5's and 6's. So now I do kinda splash them down. I don't see any harm in it really - if I loose some of my own dice I don't see how that negatively effects my opponent tbh.

My personal pet hate - which I have been trying to be more calm about - is side seat gamers. Does. My. Head. In.

I have been known to give the occasional perpatrator of this the hairdryer treatment a couple of times in my FLGS. Not new guys or folks who are wandering in curious about the game, but some of the 'vets' giving advice or predicting outcome of the game on turn 1&2/disparaging me or my opponent's armies/calling dice/asking 'why are you doing that??' to me or opponent. It's pretty ignorant, and even though I play in a few tournaments - and therefore when watching games I can blatantly see if someone is cheating or being particularly unfair - I don't intervene as I dislike when folks do in my games. For me, if there are rules disputes its between the two people playing the game, and not the 10 people watching it. (my local GW is usually very busy!)

As for list tailoring/cheating - I play amongst quite a large group of friends who regularly go to tournaments so therefore don't feel i have to analyse their lists or quiz them over everything. It sometimes may get heated, but i know there wont be any intentional cheating/bs

Good manners:
-Painted miniatures: makes it fun for your opponent because it has some "reality" to it and less imagination. Makes it easier to see the special weapons, all black primer army is brutal to figure out.
- Make a point to ask to look at some of his miniatures: good conversions and paint jobs.
- Laugh at your own horrible rolls.
- Speed roll, take out the bad, re-roll the good (hit, wound, save) gives time to see all good dice.
- I have had those days where the rolls were insanely good, offer to have your opponent roll your dice for a turn or two (may need some explaining if his luck turns…).
- For the first turn I point out things my opponent missed and give him a chance to re-do this also gives me an idea of their skill level.

Bad Manners:
- Roll where possible only one dice at a time with a "special" way. This is called "natural rolling" and is why people make dice rolling boxes.
- Some people get upset when your opponent shouts out "roll ones!!!!" I do not care but fistfights have happened over this.
- When people field obvious rules exploits AND it does not fit in the "fluff" of the army AND/OR the models are not well painted (how can you gripe if obvious work was put into it?).
- Parallax error movement holding tape measure up 6” and getting an extra 2” due to angle of view.
- Gloating in general, name calling.
- Swearing at your opponent unless they are good friends then it is expected.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Guardsmen Bob wrote:
When people roll scatter dice so far away from the target, and it seems like by the time they bring the ruler from the dice to the marker it's pointing in a different direction.

It gets worse when you call them on it, offer to correct it, and they tell you that you can't draw a straight line to save your life (despite keeping it perfectly straight) and they swing it around 45 degrees to measure incorrectly 3 more times in a row. My friends do this. Thank God we stopped playing games with scatter dice...it was becoming a chore to play games with them.

Yep, roll it close to the target. Also, we've found that those crappy red whippy sticks you get in the starter set come in handy here.

Place the whippy stick on top of the scatter die if you roll a scatter. Hold either another whippy stick or the ruler/tape measure parallel to it. It makes it easier to see if you are at the correct angle.

 Spyral wrote:

-rolling the scatter dice a mile away from the target and veering

-being 'generous' with movement/measurement

These are my pet peeves.

Experiment 626 wrote:


- Smelling highly offensive. How hard is it to shower and use a little bit of soap?!
At the very least, if say you're coming to the local store from work/sports, is it too hard to have a change of clothes and some de-oderent? There's nothing worse than trying to play a game when Uncle Nurgle's lovechild is stinking up the place!

This is hilarious and one of the main reasons I cannot stand going to my FLGS to play games you walk in and it seems like no one in there knows what a shower even is the humidity level is like a billion which does not help the smell at all.

It is for this reason that I prefer to stay at home and play with my close knit group of friends...

Oh yea and the fact that I hate playing against whiners who cheat.

So what you think of “Dice Cups” and/or Dice Towers?

 Anpu42 wrote:
So what you think of “Dice Cups” and/or Dice Towers?

I'm fine with them, but when you have a horde army firing 40 lasgun or shoota shots, they aren't very practical.

I built a dice tower using Hirst Arts blocks, but only use it for RPG's and goofing around.

I will admit that I am guilty of a good portion of these "crimes", and would like to come clean. Also, I have some new ones:

GUILTY:
- Food on the Table (we all do it around dinner time )
- Scatter Dice Launcher (accidentally do it once in a while)
- Sneaky Dice Grab (used to do it in the beginning, but I quickly begged the dark gods for forgiveness. They have since blessed me with constant 6's,which is not always a good thing.)
- List Altering/Number Crunch Fail (Did it horribly wrong in the beginning, now we have an awesome set of Excel Sheets for calculations)
- Frustrating Rants (happens to the best of us, we have a bad roll day, pet died, bad day at work, etc.)
- Unprepared (will go into detail with my pet-peeves)
- Sidetracking (Discussing things that aren't relevant to the game, Once again, we've all done it.)
- Basics ( I am trying to get better at this, but I am still having a hard time memorizing the Hit and Wound Chart, as well as the Vehicle Damage Chart. Gettin' there, but not 100%)
- Not Visible Dice Rolling (I have done it, but I call over the people to show them the roll before I pick it up.)

Now, for the parts that I LOOOOOOOAAAATTTHEEE ENTIRELY:

HATE!:

- Army Tailoring ( I will go out of my way, I will find the biggest baddest model you have on the field, put everything near it that can fly, hover, deep strike, aim every bombardment at it, and I WILL CRUSH IT. I don't care about winning or losing at that point, since you have already made your army to pick off every single unit with precision. *Insert Rage Face Here*)
- Unprepared ( I have this problem, and I know it annoys my friends, which is why I have it on my list as things I hate. This person would be unprepared in many different ways, I am guilty of all of these. 1. No Army List 2. No Codex for your Army 3. No Dice)
- Dice Dropping ( I counteract this problem by "putting a little English in my tosses," as my friends call it. If you Dice Drop, and I see you, you will re-roll the dice. Period.)
- Statisticians (Don't freak out when your GK 5-man Termie squad with a Daemon Hammer gets tabled by a Blood Slaughterer. The dice were rolled, and you rolled poorly. Don't gimme that "That shouldn't have happened! Blahblahblahblah67.7% hit ratio blahblahblah 3.825 hits blahblahbl-I DON'T WANNA HEAR IT. My friend does it, and I let him do it, but that's because I've known him for 24 years and he's a big number nerd for that kinda stuff. Doesn't mean I like it.)
- Smelly Players (I haven't had that type of an experience with the people I play with, but I bring a stick of deodorant with me everywhere I go in case I am the Stinkmeiser. Or I go home and shower and play another day.)
- Old Codex Nostalgia (These people need to sit down and read the new codex. Then, they need to go up into their brains, highlight all the old rules, and send them to the recycle bin, then empty it. Don't be all suprised about the rules change and be like " OH WOW, That's way different from 3rd edition! I remember when it used to mov-DAMMIT ITS 6TH EDITION FOR THE HATE OF KHORNE!)
-Dice Tossers ( When someone throws their dice all over the table and hits models, falls off, lands in terrain and sits all crooked and junk. We have an old plastic bird bath looking like thing we found at a garage sale and use that as our dice rolling altar. That fixes the problem with sneaky dice and tossing wildly.)

Hope you enjoyed my Confessions and Rants.

I was doing ok until i read, "...dice rolling altar." Thats funny. Alter.

Candles around it?

 g0atsticks wrote:
I was doing ok until i read, "...dice rolling altar." Thats funny. Alter.

Candles around it?

As a matter of fact... no. But I wish it was that way. That would be cooler. But no, no candles. And no blood sacrificing either for all you thinking about it.

I like my local group but my peeve is some play their list the way it "should" be "fluff" bunnies... and get all poopy pants when I crush them into oblivion with initiative 6 force weapons. Than I get crud for running crazy OP lists and GKs are OP cheese. I'm like bro do you even warhammer? Keep the fluff with your paint and your blog novels of your army that no one cares about. You know who I am and I came to win.

 Goat wrote:
I like my local group but my peeve is some play their list the way it "should" be "fluff" bunnies... and get all poopy pants when I crush them into oblivion with initiative 6 force weapons. Than I get crud for running crazy OP lists and GKs are OP cheese. I'm like bro do you even warhammer? Keep the fluff with your paint and your blog novels of your army that no one cares about. You know who I am and I came to win.

Its not fluff to enjoy a fair game... I'm not saying GK arent fair, but it sounds like you'd do anything to win... Which i dont think anyone enjoys playing against..

...you dont sacrifice to the dice gods before each roll?HERETIC!!!!!!!!!

We play in a friends kitchen so we are always eating and drinking around the game board its great.

We also hugely enjoy our mid match games of hunt the dice after they bounce off the table.

People that are rude about spectators. I welcome people watching my games, but find it rude when people disallow you pulling up a chair or the like in a public gaming space. Its something that I come across all the time in Games Workshop and it really does my head in that the types that do it seem to be doing it out of a sense of arrogance.

Playing against people that don't offer any banter or conversation is also something I dislike. Its bothers me when my opponent seems so focussed on the game that they can't have a joke.

Argueing over silly little things really does my head in. Its alright when its a point that can be debated with merit, but when the other person is doing it out of sheer ignorance (ie when everyone else is saying their wrong...) or to exploit something it puts a foul mood over a game. If you're going to focuss on something dumb then I'll just try and wrap up the game as quickly as I can and find someone that takes the thing a lot less seriously. =P

Saying that I can't use a model because its not exactly WYSIWYG. Every model I field is half sculpted from scratch. Okay, so my vehicles don't have the same profile as the GW models, don't start belittling me because I went out my way to scratch build something. I had one opponent who spent the whole game picking at me over this, coming out with things like, "That thing must have been made on a bad Forgeworld or something. It should have its movement halfed." or other unhumourous statements. Don't belittle someone because they're not using models straight out of the box. It doesn't matter if the conversion isn't spectacular, the guy probably spent some time on the thing (and hey everyone else appreciates my conversions ).

Yeah ...Most of these issues only crop up in GW, but I guess that's just a reflection on the low standards that my local one can have. =/

hobojebus wrote:


We also hugely enjoy our mid match games of hunt the dice after they bounce off the table.

My group uses an upside-down frisbee to roll dice into, though some people prefer to roll directly on the table.

It has been suggested that dice that bounce onto the floor count as automatic fails. After all, if you can't hit a 6'x4' table with a 12mm die, how can you be expected to shoot a tank from 24"?

Dragonzord wrote:

 Goat wrote:
I like my local group but my peeve is some play their list the way it "should" be "fluff" bunnies... and get all poopy pants when I crush them into oblivion with initiative 6 force weapons. Than I get crud for running crazy OP lists and GKs are OP cheese. I'm like bro do you even warhammer? Keep the fluff with your paint and your blog novels of your army that no one cares about. You know who I am and I came to win.

Its not fluff to enjoy a fair game... I'm not saying GK arent fair, but it sounds like you'd do anything to win... Which i dont think anyone enjoys playing against..

Nah I just enjoy competition. I'd be a necron airforce player or a flamer/screamer player in addition to my GK army if I was a do anything to win guy. I do want to win. But if someone wants to fling poo because thier army was S-canned due to terrible build structure it shouldn't be my problem. Keep the fluff out of the X's and O's. Again, this just comes from my competitive nature.

My pet peeves:

Completely unpainted/basecoat only armies; I don't have so much of a problem with this if it's a new army or a new unit of yours, or if you're new to the game. One of my friends is guilty of this. He has 4 armies, all of which are almost entirely unpainted, most of his models haven't even been base coated which pisses me off hugely.
Gloating: God I can't stand gloating.
Rolling your dice one at a time in such a way you are virtually guaranteed not to fail; The same from who doesn't paint his armies also uses this rolling technique, it's hard to describe the exact movement he uses, but its basic result is that he can't fail to get a 5 or 6.

Now I've been in the hobby for about five years, since fifth grade so I'm pretty young. I'm mainly just in it for modeling and painting but play the occasional game.

GUILTY
But I only play about three times every six months so I constantly need help from my opponent as to some rules. I know this is a bit rude but I'm sorry I just don't play that often. Most of the time at my local GW the people are nice enough to help me.
I'm not very competitive in fact I would rather have an absolutely horrible but fluffy list than a "winner" list, sorry but I just like it that way.

PET PEEVES
Take a fething shower
Overly competitive lists, Tony Kopach who is a player at my local store has won national tournaments. (I forget the name) but before you play him he asks whether you want him to play his tournament list or not.

 797th Red Tigers wrote:
Being fairly new to 40k, I haven't had much trouble with etiquette. Although, like the post above, there was a problem with a more experienced player trying to cheat me with some invulnerable saves he didn't actually have on his Chaos Marines. I had read their profiles and possible upgrades before the game, so I knew that it was a load of bull.

Your life must be really pathetic if the only way you can feel good about yourself is cheating in a game with toy soldiers against completely new players. That is just sad...I hope you patted him on the back for being so pathetic at the same time. He obviously really needed the self esteem boost and you ruined it for him.

Skriker


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 Wyrmalla wrote:
People that are rude about spectators. I welcome people watching my games, but find it rude when people disallow you pulling up a chair or the like in a public gaming space. Its something that I come across all the time in Games Workshop and it really does my head in that the types that do it seem to be doing it out of a sense of arrogance.

I don't mind spectators as long as that is what they are. Also don't mind friendly kibitizing at the table either, but I am playing my opponent. But here is a list of don'ts for me as a game spectator:

1) Don't rules lawyer someone else's game. If the players don't care and moved on you have no say.
2) Don't try to run the game or play the game. Let them play the game. Sure you may have done something differently, or "better" in your mind. Keep it to yourself as it is not your game. At the end of the game if you want to offer advice to a newer player how they could have done something differently, then by all means do so. Don't interrupt the game, though.
3) Don't touch any minis on the table. NO EXCEPTIONS.
4) Don't touch any minis or books not currently on the table without permission. NO EXCEPTIONS.
5) Don't insult the players who's game it is. Show some manners and respect.

Do cheer when someone does something cool.
Do groan when someone takes a painful loss.
Do complement the players on a well fought game.

There are exceptions to a couple of the don'ts, but they happen when you aren't just a spectator. If a game is a learning game and you've been asked to help keep the vet honest and help the newbie learn and do better then #1 and #2 are acceptable and expected. Also in such situations it is also OK to mock the vet incessantly if the newb tables them without any real input from you. #3- to 5 have no exceptions in my book.

Skriker

Most of the above

 felixander wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
Can I ask what the perceived difference or problem is with picking up successful instead of failed dice?

If your opponent picks up an extra die that was actually a success but he calls it a failure... well that's your opponent's fault.
If your opponent picks up an extra die that was actually a failure but he calls it a success... well now you have a problem.

This has happened to me a few times and I hate it.

Also, I turned up to a tourny and my opponent had an eldar warlock and 6 marines.
I ask him where the rest of his army is, he replies: 'oh, I was just about to and get them'
He walks over to the shop-part of the store and buys a single box of dark eldar jet bikes.
After half-an-hour of pain watching him try to build two of the jet bikes I just say he can proxy the bases as jet bikes.
By this time we only have 30 minutes left and him asks: 'so, how do you play this game?'
As you can imagine, i was pritty ed off

 darkshard wrote:
My pet peeves:

Completely unpainted/basecoat only armies; I don't have so much of a problem with this if it's a new army or a new unit of yours, or if you're new to the game. One of my friends is guilty of this. He has 4 armies, all of which are almost entirely unpainted, most of his models haven't even been base coated which pisses me off hugely.

This one always amuses me. People who get offended that your army isn't painted. In my lifetime I have built and painted more armies than most people have ever done. Just because the minis I have on the table today aren't fully painted doesn't mean anything. Also I tend to view my painting hobby separately from my gaming hobby. I hate painting the same colors across an entire army all completely before moving on to the next one, so alternate units from different armies I have on the painting table. So all my armies have some painted and some unpainted minis. Most are at least base coated now in the default colors, but need detailing. You can prefer to play only against painted armies, but someone who hasn't painted as many armies as I have through the years who gives me grief for not having a fully painted army *today* can kiss my backside...

For some people it often comes down to Paint or Play in their schedules. Unless there is another good reason to stay home then 99% of the time I will pick Play over paint because if you just sit home and paint instead of playing you are a mini collector and not a mini gamer. If there is a blizzard outside painting would probably win because it would be dangerous to go out to play anyway.

Skriker

Things I like about gaming:

With one of my friends, we decided to try a rule where you could only talk positively about the game (no groaning). Moreso, you could only brag about your opponents units. Best game I've ever played.

Things I don't like:

DON'T TOUCH MY MODELS! Seriously, they are expensive, and I try and take care of them. Do not touch my stuff without my permission. Especially if you are sick/have greasy hands.

If I say that fleet lets me re-roll my charge range, please don't shout out "No it doesn't, fleet sucks now." Just check your rulebook. Adding to that, if you don't believe a stat/rule, please ask to see it, don't just grab my codex and search for it, especially not the new CSM one.

Please don't spend the game bragging about how awesome a certain unit is, or that you think a rule is stupid ("Flyers are dumb." "2 inch coherency is stupid, it should be 1 inch." "It's BS2? Why do you bother shooting?"), it's in the game and it does get playtested.