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As for list tailoring we don’t get that much as 75% of the armies fielded are Marine of some sort.

WAAC 24/7/365: Its hard to have fun games vs. these guys, especially after tabling you on turn two and then when you ask for a rematch you get “I don’t play against armatures, come back when you are better!” when all you want was a game to try out the latest rules.

You and your Cheesy Space Wolves!: To me is the ones that cry “Cheese” or accuses you of taking the “Johnny Come Lately Army” when you have been playing that army for decades.

Clicks: The thing that has driven me out of the local game stores are the “Clicks”. You know the guys that only will play their friends. The one that got me the most was I showed up for the “Open Table Day” and I saw this guy and I asked if he wanted play and he said “No we was waiting for a friend.” Thinking we could get in a quick game I asked “Well what time is he going to be here?” His reply was Six, I looked up at the clock and it was about one.

WYSIWYG N@zi’s: These are one of the worst in my opinion. This goes for those who claim you can’t have a close combat weapon because it’s not modeled on the figure; to the ones [who usually is the one who has the unpainted half assembled army] who complains about you Non-Official GW or an old school models. The worst of these was a guy who refused to play my Primer Grey Space Wolves until I stopped calling them Space Wolves because they were not Space Wolf Guy.

There is a kid I met when I was just starting who played ig and he brought a sm dreadnought and said since ig were imperium then they can bring a dreadnaught and refused to change his list. Also when people showboat way too much for a paint job congrats you painted a model now go see if you can Win golden demon. It's okay to say look at this great paint job its another to say m figures are so much better than yours because of the paint job I did everyone says I'm the best. That's overboard

I'm a pretty relaxed player and typically only play with good friends at our tiny local store. Aside from stuff already mentioned in the thread, there's a few things that seriously get to me; most of which are actually perpetrated by spectators, not my opponent.

- Giving too much tactical advice. I am here to play of my own accord and I kinda want to do my own thing. Most of the time I'll do stuff that seems more fun than tactically sound. When I first started 40k I relished advice from the vets because I was obviously horrendously noobish. I still don't mind the occasional comment as I'm pretty prone to forgetting even the small things - but constant (and often poor) advice being thrown at me by someone watching makes me want to politely ask them to promptly shut the hell up.

- Taking the game too seriously. Now I understand that for some, fluff/painting/modelling is very important to them and the game itself. My friends are pretty relaxed about that, and we frequently proxy stuff as well as play with many unpainted/poorly painted models and have no issues with it (most people at our FLGS don't). We also don't take the fluff super seriously. However, when I'm playing with my good friend and I joke about how my Tervigon is "Momma 'Gaunt" and is about to "Poop moar gaunts!" in a silly and intentionally immature matter, don't barge up to the table and tell me "Well actually Tyranids are asexual so therefore your Terivgon can't be female" in an incredibly pretentious, snobby, know-it-all and bratty sort of way. It's a game! I play for gaks n' giggles, which is why I try to avoid the more hard-core fluff-oriented players.

- Don't make disparaging remarks about my list or army. I had a guy watching a game of mine who would ask me about my list, and when I told him, he'd say "That's pretty bad, you should try x or y or reread your codex, or have you tried researching your army online?". He wasn't really a huge dick about it, but it was still pretty frustrating. Not being able to play all that frequently, I'm almost always trying something new and experimenting each game. The list is already made and I'm not trying to WAAC. Less optimal? I like to think of it as simply more challenging.

- In general, I never enjoy a player who has poor manners. I always go for a hand-shake, proper introductions, friendly banter, etc. It's a social game meant to be played with other human beings - I know there are lots of war gamers out there who are shy and whatnot, but at least try!

Also, soap. Use it. A toothbrush as well ...yes with toothpaste!

Eldercaveman wrote:
Ok i guess it's only a problem when playing pick up games or tournaments, well any game that's not against someone you know and trust,

It's not a matter of trust, it's simply a good idea to use it in ANY kind of game play. We all make mistakes, and by picking up failures you're less likely to make mistakes that'd swing the game in your favor, which breeds distrust even amongst friends.

I actually had one guy who became real good at as he passed his hand over his dice to pick them up he would brush some with his hand and cause them to roll onto a different side. I never noticed it until one day when he had to make the 150d6 roll and after watching him repeat the process 4-5 time I started notice. Later I pointed it out to some other players and they noticed it to. We never really called him on it, it we had cell-cameras we might have done something about it though.
We just started saying “We could beat his Armies, but not his dice.”

quibbling about minor rules that will ultimately have no bearing on the issue at hand

dice rituals in general (throwing them into the air, placing "gently" table barely rolled at all, etc.)

not knowing the most commonly used rules

not being prepared to play (no templates, no dice, no books)

engaging in conversations with other during a game

premeasuring (while now legal, measuring every single range can waste a lot of time)

playing a horde army and playing it slooooooowly

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
playing a horde army and playing it slooooooowly

YES! Had a guy who fielded a maxed out Orc foot-slogging list in 5th edition. At least 150 boys I think. I played Nids, but his turns took forever and he spent at least 30 minutes just deploying. He measured every single model for their movement...

I eventually tabled him, but man it was a slow game for the first few turns. Very frustrating.

 felixander wrote:

Eldercaveman wrote:
Ok i guess it's only a problem when playing pick up games or tournaments, well any game that's not against someone you know and trust,

It's not a matter of trust, it's simply a good idea to use it in ANY kind of game play. We all make mistakes, and by picking up failures you're less likely to make mistakes that'd swing the game in your favor, which breeds distrust even amongst friends.

Makes sense, I colder honestly say which way I do it as I've never really though about it, and its been a while since I've played TT, but I've never has a problem with this before, nor had my dice picking up questioned, so I guess I must be doing something right.

One thing that I did find really annoying, was when I was watching one of my friends games, and he, like me plays for fun, and the other guy brought a super powerful BA list, which is fine, but the worst thing was how he played, he would adjust models, like he'd move a squad up. Realise his framers are at the back and the move them to the front effectively moving them twice the distance, or putting on a playful face and replacing his objective mid game. Needless to say neither of us play him anymore.

I only have two real complaints; people who wander off in team games, and people who play your army for you.

The first is self explanatory, and annoying.

The second is those people who believe they know every army inside and out, and will question everything you do, pick up all your dice for you, and declare everything that happens with your units the entire way through the game.

These tend to be the same people who rules lawyer their way through the entire game, manipulate unclear or vague rules as much in their favour as possible, and will stop the game dead if said rules don't swing in their favour.

And that's in a "friendly" pick-up game. In short, any combination of WAAC and general lack of respect for other players annoys me; they aren't mutually exclusive, as a WAAC can be a decent, respectful person, they're just competitive, but the combination of that and general dickery and lack of any real respect or empathy in even the most laid back of environments is maddening.

Eldercaveman wrote:
... but the worst thing was how he played, he would adjust models, like he'd move a squad up. Realise his framers are at the back and the move them to the front effectively moving them twice the distance,

OH MAN. There was a guy out here who did that a few times. "Oh my Melta Gunner is safely in the back. OK now they're going to move and she'll magically teleport to the front" and when I'd call him out on it he'd call me a Rules Lawyer and pout like a child. I know how you feel about them and you did the right thing, ignore the problem!

 TheSneak109 wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
playing a horde army and playing it slooooooowly

YES! Had a guy who fielded a maxed out Orc foot-slogging list in 5th edition. At least 150 boys I think. I played Nids, but his turns took forever and he spent at least 30 minutes just deploying. He measured every single model for their movement...

I eventually tabled him, but man it was a slow game for the first few turns. Very frustrating.

even better is a guy I've played twice in tournaments who plays nids. he asks if his placement is ok everytime he places a mini. I think its his distraction move...

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 TheSneak109 wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
playing a horde army and playing it slooooooowly

YES! Had a guy who fielded a maxed out Orc foot-slogging list in 5th edition. At least 150 boys I think. I played Nids, but his turns took forever and he spent at least 30 minutes just deploying. He measured every single model for their movement...

I eventually tabled him, but man it was a slow game for the first few turns. Very frustrating.

even better is a guy I've played twice in tournaments who plays nids. he asks if his placement is ok everytime he places a mini. I think its his distraction move...

Mind games man...mind games. Nid trickery and all that.

The thing that really ticks me off is the player who reminds you of rules only when it's to his benefit. You forget to take the extra CC attack for two weapons, you don't remember how Rapid Fire weapons shoot in this edition so don't shoot max range after moving or maybe take lower cover saves than the terrain would grant. He says nothing. Make an error that would benefit you instead and it becomes clear he knows those rules very well.

This is IMO a sign of poor sportsmanship.

 Rimmy wrote:


the problem with craps dice is they are made from a certain type of plastic with very sharp edges and they're pretty big, so they don't roll well on hard surfaces and they tend to take up a LOT fo space when you have to roll more than a couple of them. (craps tables are padded felt) so they just kind of thunk down on the table. if you do it right, you can cheese your way into managing your rolls.

they're not illegal in anyway and yes they are just dice. but find a pair and try them out. they just don't work as well on a tabletop game.

I use my set of 5 craps dice as objective markers. Big bright red 1" casino dice serve that duty very well.

 Al2ies wrote:

-Being generous seems onloy to happen with people who dont set rulers down on the table.

I don't set my measuring tape down on the table because there are models where I'm measuring. If I set it down, either it would knock over a model, or move it to the side. Also, there is often terrain along the measuring tape's path.

But that's because I'm one of those weird people who doesn't spread their models out the full 2 inches allowed. My models are usually more like 1" apart.

And that in turn is because I am absolutely terrible at judging distances and even estimating sizes in any of the three dimensions, so I like to be damned sure that they're actually in coherency.

My major peeve with playing against my mom - I have too much anxiety to stand playing games against random people at a local club or store, so I play at home - is when the pets inevitably come into the gaming room and she pays more attention to them than she does the game. It's gotten to the point where I try a couple of times very subtly to get her to pay attention when I'm rolling dice, and if she keeps on talking to the cat or whatever, I just do all my rolls without her watching.

Oh, and no, we can't just close the door to keep the animals out. We tried that once, and the dog just whined and whined and whimpered until my mom let him in cause she couldn't stand hearing him whine so much.

- People that die every time something doesn't go their way. They don't even have to whinge, they just have to squint, or bite their lip. RELAX.

-Blood Angels players that field 6 Assault Squads, 3 Devastator Squads, and two Librarians. He could have used imagination; copying Dave from Miniwargaming's list is just annoying.

-Armies with major proxies, such as MODEL proxies. 'Nah, this isn't Mephiston, its a librarian.' Go out and buy a goddamned model. If they are ones like Saying a LR Redeemer is a LR Crusader is fine, though.

-Hiding army lists. I always say that I will show my army list if they show theirs, and if they don't show theirs, then they will whinge about me changing my list because I haven't shown them. And then I surprise them, because wait! My drop-podded Combat Squad's sergeant has MELTA BOMBS. Goodbye, Leman Russ.

-Texting or taking Cell calls during their turn (or excessively during a game)
-Not having WYSIWYG and not telling me that the bosspole Nob also has a PowerKlaw (or the like)
-Arguing/fudging scatter die (drives me nuts)
-Gleefully taunting "you forgot to fire/charge/shoot them" when someone forgets an ability in a phase. I myself almost always remind people of forgotten unit moves.

...and many of the common ones already mentioned here too.

Legion of Flame wrote:
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-Armies with major proxies, such as MODEL proxies. 'Nah, this isn't Mephiston, its a librarian.' Go out and buy a goddamned model. If they are ones like Saying a LR Redeemer is a LR Crusader is fine, though.

I've been using a paper coffee cup glued to a piece of cardboard as a Night Scythe.

True Story.

I hate when people pick up their success dice instead of fails.
Do not like when playing a team game my ally tells me what to shoot with my army. Telling me to not shoot a swarm lord with my S8 AP1 missiles so he could assault with a weak cc troop.
When using a blast template that scatters pushing it farther than it should so it could hit more models.
Calling my army OP because my opponent was tabled(I play Sisters)
Getting pissy over losing space marines because being a fluff guru.
A few I've had recently.

Saying the scatter die points in an advantageous direction, when it's obviously a good 30-40 degrees off from that...

Drives me nuts, but it's one of those small things that you end up being the jerk for arguing.

Edits: Seems a lot of people have that problem.

djones520 wrote:
Saying the scatter die points in an advantageous direction, when it's obviously a good 30-40 degrees off from that...

Drives me nuts, but it's one of those small things that you end up being the jerk for arguing.

Edits: Seems a lot of people have that problem.

I end up being really bad for this, because I genuinely have trouble determining which direction a blast is going. I try to avoid blast weapons in my games.

Pony_law wrote:
I don't like it when people "splash" the dice. That is throw the dice really high or far so they bounce all over/off the table and/or knock over models.

I tend to do this sometimes, mostly because I bought some custom dice from Chessex, and they're a bit bigger than my old dice. I feel like I need to give them some extra momentum so they'll roll properly. With that said, I try to do this where there are no models, but sometimes I knock over a few if I roll in haste.

I'm trying to get better though.

 TheSneak109 wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 TheSneak109 wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
playing a horde army and playing it slooooooowly

YES! Had a guy who fielded a maxed out Orc foot-slogging list in 5th edition. At least 150 boys I think. I played Nids, but his turns took forever and he spent at least 30 minutes just deploying. He measured every single model for their movement...

I eventually tabled him, but man it was a slow game for the first few turns. Very frustrating.

even better is a guy I've played twice in tournaments who plays nids. he asks if his placement is ok everytime he places a mini. I think its his distraction move...

Mind games man...mind games. Nid trickery and all that.

I do this. Not for every model, but when doing a weird deployment or disembark ill ask if they agree I'm out of sight or they understand what I'm doing and if its cool. I also play mind games with friends like make them think about other rules by always asking questions on if I can do something, then ill do something totally different. I only do this with friends and they know I do it so we all have a laugh.

I also have conversations with others but i pay as much attention to the game as possible.

My least favorite table etiquette has to be hitting the table or rolling dice into my models. I know sometimes it happens like with scatter and such, but sometimes I feel it's intentional to move my models slightly. Also the soft dice flop to the table infuriates me. Roll your dice so they get a more random roll, don't hold the dice a certain way and gently let it flop out of your hand.

Also not using the actual rules for flyers drives me berserk. I don't use flyers(yah I know that's my problem). But I count on the rules to help me avoid and lessen the impact of flyers. I hate when people try to shoot straight down with guns on the top of the flyer, or when they take a slight turn at the end of the movement, or use more turning radius. Or try to argue that they can put they're flyer inside the 1" to my models. YOU HAVE A FLYER KNOW THE RULES!!!

Legion of Flame wrote:

-Armies with major proxies, such as MODEL proxies. 'Nah, this isn't Mephiston, its a librarian.' Go out and buy a goddamned model. If they are ones like Saying a LR Redeemer is a LR Crusader is fine, though.

Uh, saying Mephiston is a Librarian is FAR from a major proxy. If the person likes the Mephiston model and wants to use him, it shouldn't matter so long as he makes it abundantly clear. Saying "this named Librarian is actually a normal Librarian" doesn't strike me as being any different than "The LR Reedemer is a LR Crusader". Now things like "This Land Speeder is a Vendetta" is what I'd call a major proxy. Things that don't have the right size and actually alter the gameplay. Either way, we play major proxies amongst friends sometimes to try a new model before we buy it.

Legion of Flame wrote:
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-Armies with major proxies, such as MODEL proxies. 'Nah, this isn't Mephiston, its a librarian.' Go out and buy a goddamned model. If they are ones like Saying a LR Redeemer is a LR Crusader is fine, though.

I supouse you dont like ork players then? :(

-taking the game to serious....unless your paid to play, its just a game to us normal people.

-people who think everything is cheese. I dunno, Just because .

-list tailoring. I have a friend who will change his army list once he's heard what your playing. The ol', "I think I play X instead tonight...".

Bluetau wrote:

 Rimmy wrote:


the problem with craps dice is they are made from a certain type of plastic with very sharp edges and they're pretty big, so they don't roll well on hard surfaces and they tend to take up a LOT fo space when you have to roll more than a couple of them. (craps tables are padded felt) so they just kind of thunk down on the table. if you do it right, you can cheese your way into managing your rolls.

they're not illegal in anyway and yes they are just dice. but find a pair and try them out. they just don't work as well on a tabletop game.

I use my set of 5 craps dice as objective markers. Big bright red 1" casino dice serve that duty very well.

thats a pretty good use for them. i've also used them as a turn counter as well.

I have about 20 of them because I went to vegas and said, oh that might be cool! I learned it wasn't. they have been relegated to my daughter so she can use them to lean from. (big and easy to read)

for general purpose gaming though, I have just found them to be too unwieldy. I won't really say anything to someone to brings them to the table, it just irritates me when you need space to roll 20 ginormous dice all the time.

Having experianced this only a hour ago, I clwill now change mine to "Celebration using a catchphrase and hand signals. " so whoever I was playing today who decided to celebrate passing a 4+ save with his Captain's Iron Halo by fist pumping and saying "Boo-yah!", and did so everytime he pass a save as such, I now hate you with a fury to make Khorne himself weep.

For me its most of the above but also to add, people that put food or drinks on the table, and in general people that make a mess on the table like trays dice tools ect though I am guilty of the lather

people who spam the living crap out of everything. (Although thats probably just me.)