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One thing I can't stand to see is someone trying to pull something over on me. Play naive one game with a random experienced player and act like you're new. See if he just casually forgets rules or things like that.

Happened to me where a guy dropped a vet squad out the back of a vendetta, rolled to scatter and landed on a large wall that my crisis suits were hugging against. The first model is on the very edge of the corner with the suits below. He continues to deploy the vets in a wedge shape away from the suits, doesn't mention a mishap, or even take a single dangerous terrain check.

I will never play that guy again. I would never knowingly pull a trick like that and would never take advantage of a less experienced player. Adding to that, I also call myself if I've forgotten to take a dangerous terrain check or morale check. Even if it's the during my opponents next shooting phase I'll point it out, take the tests, and remove models as neccessary.

Being fairly new to 40k, I haven't had much trouble with etiquette. Although, like the post above, there was a problem with a more experienced player trying to cheat me with some invulnerable saves he didn't actually have on his Chaos Marines. I had read their profiles and possible upgrades before the game, so I knew that it was a load of bull.

When it comes to conceding games, I don’t have an issue with it if it is obvious the game is all but over. If I have half a Grey Hunter Pack Left and I am looking at 120 Orks on the start of turn 3 [it has happened to be before], I will ask if want to call the game and start over. If he wants to I will continue.

Now if the guy quits the game because I killed of his special model while he was wining, I will just roll my eyes.

Where I have a fault is when I dealing with a specific model that seems to just vaporizes my units with no chance [Doom of The Doom of Malan'tai in a drop pod is my bane or the guy who decides my Sternguard are a better target with 5” S10 AP Templates rather than the wall of charging dreads.] I will Bit@h and whine about it for a turn or two, but by then I am doing it with humor.

I dont like it when you can see a person change there stance from friendly to compettitive in a game. Today i played some1 like that who was a nice vet player who would usually remind me about my flyer/flamers/moving and stuff like that but this game i got some luck and took out 2 pedaloes first turn and you could see his face change. He didnt remind me (im rather new to 40k) of anything and wouldnt let my proxy my flyer, WHILE THE FLYER WAS GLUING THE TABLE NEXT TO US!

Dragonzord wrote:
oh no, i agree with you totally. best place to keep the rulebook, and its poorly written rules

I keep my rulebook in the bathroom so I can read up on the rules whenever I need a bio-break.

 g0atsticks wrote:

dubovac wrote:
Well I agree with most of things said before me but I really hate those big, blocky, transparent dices. When my opponent throws 20-30 of them and I cant spot those tiny dots on them. Really hate those...

.

There used to be a pirate ship game, each pack came with 2 very very tiny little dice. The idea was to have everything in a pack that you needed to play. The game flucked, but I had literally hundreds of these dice. Super tiny tiny dice. Like 1 mm squared sized dice. I went over to my buddies and played one night with them. First roll of 18 or 20 rapid fire bolter shots. They left my hand, hit the table....all of my friends at the same time said "Fu*^ NO dude." I still have them for when new people come. Inside joke of epic "proportions". hehe

I'd love to have a set of these to use as wound counters!

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
I dont like it when you can see a person change there stance from friendly to compettitive in a game. Today i played some1 like that who was a nice vet player who would usually remind me about my flyer/flamers/moving and stuff like that but this game i got some luck and took out 2 pedaloes first turn and you could see his face change. He didnt remind me (im rather new to 40k) of anything and wouldnt let my proxy my flyer, WHILE THE FLYER WAS GLUING THE TABLE NEXT TO US!

What's a pedaloe?

Some of these pet-peeves are ridiculous.

Only three reasonable ones:

-Cheating (fudging your list/rules/movement etc.)

-Poor sportsmanship during the game

-Poor sportsmanship after the game (bad winner or loser)

Oh, and being awful at the game and not knowing anything is a decent pet-peeve too, I suppose.

 TheCaptain wrote:
Some of these pet-peeves are ridiculous.

Only three reasonable ones:

-Cheating (fudging your list/rules/movement etc.)

-Poor sportsmanship during the game

-Poor sportsmanship after the game (bad winner or loser)

Oh, and being awful at the game and not knowing anything is a decent pet-peeve too, I suppose.

I think bad hygiene would be a decent addition to this list, but other than that it seems correct.

 IHateNids wrote:

I was going to say, my mates and I always list tailor against each other. The most fun is when we play 2 v 2 or 3 v 3 games and each tailor against a specific person and when the game starts we all randomly switch and have to make it work. Crazy but a lot of fun.

I recall trying that once. One guy got bored & left, so my opponants teammate went to play him at Warmachine.

They laft me and my main opponant with avbout 5000 points.

He had a LOT of Chaos marines, I had a mix of Necrons, Tau, and Space Marines. Hilarious fun.

I remember seeing a bit of that game, I felt sorry for the CSM player since most of the points was spent on combat specific things and everything on your army was a massive gun-line... I felt sorry for the poor fella

However I will put down what peeves me off in the table etiquette:

-opponents attitude towards the game (as in if my opponents primary function is to win every game, but that overrides the golden rule of wargaming which is to have fun... we now have problems...)

-List tailoring! if I ask for it then its acceptable but if I Dont... no... I have not got time for that...

-When opponent/opponents cheese up the most narrative of games

-When opponent/opponents do not offer a handshake at the end of the game

-Cheating, self explanatory

I think this about covers it for me.

Well the title says rude/annoying so people are saying what annoys them.

On the note of picking up fails/successes, I will say this much, as an Ork player the fails tend to far outweigh the successes on any given roll. I mean, armor saves from MegaNobz aside, when you roll 30 dice and only succeed on a 5 or a 6, you tend to spend a lot of time picking up the 20 dice that fail vs. the 10 that succeed. It's far, far more convenient to just grab the successes than grab fistfuls of dice that failed.

I mean, if you're playing marines, and have to roll 20 dice that hit on 3s, then please, pick up those fails. But if you're playing Orks, and have to roll 40 dice that only succeed on a 5, then by all means, grab those successes and sweep the fails out of the way. Just my two cents.

hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
What's a pedaloe?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pedalo&hl=en&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=xgzgUI3VBMaH0AWg04Fg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1360&bih=653
Seems unlikely he'd be able to fit 2 of those on a table, so I'd guess it's a local nickname for something. RT-era Landspeeder perhaps?

I had a game against a father son team at a doubles tournament last year.

The son was pretty cool but very young and wasn't super familiar with all the rules (which was fine).

But the father just sat down on the edge of the table and didn't move at all during our turns.

We would ask him questions / tell him things and he would just look at us blankly. As if we had offended him somehow.

He wouldn't hold templates for us as we reached across the table (annoying when there's a row of 6 tables and you literally can't walk over to the other side!).
Or confirm how many units were under our templates.

He even didn't bother to look at the dice we were rolling.
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Now I figured he was totally uninterested and was just there for his son. So I sort of accepted that and was kinda okay with it...

...Until turn 4 when he realized the custom mission totally favored him and it was nearly impossible for us to win.

After that he was cheerful, interested and talkative.


Worst experience I've ever had, the guy was a f**king piece of s**t. Some role model to his kid!

 MandalorynOranj wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
What's a pedaloe?

Oh, sorry, thought the nickname was well known. Its the nickname for the necron annihalation barge (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat700017a&prodId=prod1380041a) ad he plays a few of them, there so cheap AND they have av 13!!!!

 Anpu42 wrote:
When it comes to conceding games, I don’t have an issue with it if it is obvious the game is all but over. If I have half a Grey Hunter Pack Left and I am looking at 120 Orks on the start of turn 3 [it has happened to be before], I will ask if want to call the game and start over. If he wants to I will continue.

Now if the guy quits the game because I killed of his special model while he was wining, I will just roll my eyes.

Where I have a fault is when I dealing with a specific model that seems to just vaporizes my units with no chance [Doom of The Doom of Malan'tai in a drop pod is my bane or the guy who decides my Sternguard are a better target with 5” S10 AP Templates rather than the wall of charging dreads.] I will Bit@h and whine about it for a turn or two, but by then I am doing it with humor.

+1

I hate people who conced a game just because they lose one unit or character and throw a temper tantrum because of it... Seriously, so your 5 Hammernators died to grot blastas?! Suck-it-up-buttercup, you've still got 1300pts out of a 1500pts army to play with!

The only times I'd really conceded any game would be because;
a) My opponent was a giant donkeycave who Warp Quaked then entire table turn 1 and left me to try and deploy roughly 900pts of Daemons in an 8"x8" or so square in the back corner of the table...

b) My opponent is a giant @$$hat who first asks if I want, "to play a friendly game", then proceeds to pull out their filthy 'Ard Boyz list after I've deployed a non super competitive list...
Then followed this ruse up by poking fun at my abysmal dice rolling and saying how much I suck at this game.


As for people who quit because the dice are against them? Suck it up. It happens to everyone at some point! Hell, it happense to me almost every game!!! Heck, every. single. GW staffer. who knows me had fun pointing out on their Games Day '06 shirts that the Space Marine who rolled a 1 and was lying on his side was my dude/roll!
Mr.Kelly even commented he should likely get a custom stitched patch underneath the dead marine to read "Stephie's armour save roll".

In the end it's funny! I end up joking about with my opponent things like, "let's see if after the first 20 guys forgot to hit the 'on-switch', this dude remebers to activate his 'POWER!' armour?!" (more times than not, he doesn't and I'm adding another dead marine to my ever-growing pile!)

At the very least I find I should at least respect my opponent and try to play through the cursed dice. It's their time as well, and if I can't win the game, I may as well set myself a new goal such as 'kill unit/model X in a blaze of glory!', or something like 'don't get tabled', or even 'how many pts worth of enemies can I kill with my remaining 500pts or so?'
Just because you almost certainly can no longer win the larger war, doesn't mean there aren't individual battles you can likely still win!



Now excuse me as I go fail 3 or 4 or so Terminator saves in a row!
(there's a damn good I reason I like my Daemons - they don't get armour saves for me to fail!!!)

 AzureDeath wrote:
hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!

The laser pointer punisher thing I understand, but otherwise, i'd say that if something is in range, its in range. So long as it touches, it's good. If you start saying "Oh, well, it barely touches" then i'd say yeah, well, it does touch. That counts. What, are you going to start demanding that all weapons have effective ranges 1" shorter so that it's a "Full" hit?

 AzureDeath wrote:
hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!

What? That's just the rules. If you're in range, you're in range. Doesn't matter if it just clips the model. And LOS is LOS, regardless of lasers or not.

List tailoring is fine as long as it is only knowing what army you use, like if I am going against Tyranids i am not going to bring anti tank stuff such as haywire grenades doesn't make any sense.

But if I knew for example my opponent was using a mechanised list and I spam waaaay more Dark Lances than normal then yes I don't like that and I don't do that.

I pick up dice whichever side has the minority of it since it's easier to remove that way.
I normally wait a couple of seconds so my opponent can see what I am picking up or let them do it as well. Less work for me~ jokes~

Complaining about unfortunate dice rolls happens to everybody that I have seen so far, including me. Maybe not like a constand moaning complain but you get a word out of upsetness a bit at least. Like I once rolled 6 1's in a row for something and then rolled a bunch of 6's for leadership tests. So yeah, I think it's fine to express the unluckiness a bit but not to the extent where it's throughout the game or to quit.

When people roll scatter dice so far away from the target, and it seems like by the time they bring the ruler from the dice to the marker it's pointing in a different direction.

 Guardsmen Bob wrote:
When people roll scatter dice so far away from the target, and it seems like by the time they bring the ruler from the dice to the marker it's pointing in a different direction.

It gets worse when you call them on it, offer to correct it, and they tell you that you can't draw a straight line to save your life (despite keeping it perfectly straight) and they swing it around 45 degrees to measure incorrectly 3 more times in a row. My friends do this. Thank God we stopped playing games with scatter dice...it was becoming a chore to play games with them.

 Kaldor wrote:

 AzureDeath wrote:
hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!

What? That's just the rules. If you're in range, you're in range. Doesn't matter if it just clips the model. And LOS is LOS, regardless of lasers or not.

Not necessarily, i think what he is getting at, which all dark eldar understand is that he just clips the raiders front ram or saying he can shoot me because my sail is above the wall...le sigh... Under the rules those bits dont count as the hull of the vehical and carnt be targetted. One person rage quit caling me a powergamer because i wouldn't let him fire his plasma gun into the ram of my raider, which i didnt upgrade it to. What did he expect me to do, pull off the raiders ram so there is a gapping whole in my model?

 Locclo wrote:
On the note of picking up fails/successes, I will say this much, as an Ork player the fails tend to far outweigh the successes on any given roll. I mean, armor saves from MegaNobz aside, when you roll 30 dice and only succeed on a 5 or a 6, you tend to spend a lot of time picking up the 20 dice that fail vs. the 10 that succeed. It's far, far more convenient to just grab the successes than grab fistfuls of dice that failed.

I mean, if you're playing marines, and have to roll 20 dice that hit on 3s, then please, pick up those fails. But if you're playing Orks, and have to roll 40 dice that only succeed on a 5, then by all means, grab those successes and sweep the fails out of the way. Just my two cents.

good point. orks. just another annoying side effect...

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

 AzureDeath wrote:
hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!

What? That's just the rules. If you're in range, you're in range. Doesn't matter if it just clips the model. And LOS is LOS, regardless of lasers or not.

Not necessarily, i think what he is getting at, which all dark eldar understand is that he just clips the raiders front ram or saying he can shoot me because my sail is above the wall...le sigh... Under the rules those bits dont count as the hull of the vehical and carnt be targetted. One person rage quit caling me a powergamer because i wouldn't let him fire his plasma gun into the ram of my raider, which i didnt upgrade it to. What did he expect me to do, pull off the raiders ram so there is a gapping whole in my model?

as far as i can see that ram is part of the hull i agree on the sail but the ram i didnt know it was a weapon untill you said it here, but then you couldnt target a defrolla on an ork vehicle right?

atlervetok wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

 AzureDeath wrote:
hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!

What? That's just the rules. If you're in range, you're in range. Doesn't matter if it just clips the model. And LOS is LOS, regardless of lasers or not.

Not necessarily, i think what he is getting at, which all dark eldar understand is that he just clips the raiders front ram or saying he can shoot me because my sail is above the wall...le sigh... Under the rules those bits dont count as the hull of the vehical and carnt be targetted. One person rage quit caling me a powergamer because i wouldn't let him fire his plasma gun into the ram of my raider, which i didnt upgrade it to. What did he expect me to do, pull off the raiders ram so there is a gapping whole in my model?

as far as i can see that ram is part of the hull i agree on the sail but the ram i didnt know it was a weapon untill you said it here, but then you couldnt target a defrolla on an ork vehicle right?

This is where you need to step back and remeber this crap is just a game. I may not always have LoS, but when I do I shoot the ram....the road goes both ways.

 g0atsticks wrote:

atlervetok wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

 AzureDeath wrote:
hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!

What? That's just the rules. If you're in range, you're in range. Doesn't matter if it just clips the model. And LOS is LOS, regardless of lasers or not.

Not necessarily, i think what he is getting at, which all dark eldar understand is that he just clips the raiders front ram or saying he can shoot me because my sail is above the wall...le sigh... Under the rules those bits dont count as the hull of the vehical and carnt be targetted. One person rage quit caling me a powergamer because i wouldn't let him fire his plasma gun into the ram of my raider, which i didnt upgrade it to. What did he expect me to do, pull off the raiders ram so there is a gapping whole in my model?

as far as i can see that ram is part of the hull i agree on the sail but the ram i didnt know it was a weapon untill you said it here, but then you couldnt target a defrolla on an ork vehicle right?

This is where you need to step back and remeber this crap is just a game. I may not always have LoS, but when I do I shoot the ram....the road goes both ways.

hmmm i must have come over wrong the defrolla thing was a genuine question, ofcourse this is a game, and i was just telling you that i thaught the ram was part of the design of the vehicle (never played DE yet)

atlervetok wrote:

 g0atsticks wrote:

atlervetok wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:

 Kaldor wrote:

 AzureDeath wrote:
hink the worst one is when measuring at full range, you barely clip a tread or point like a falcon or raider tip and call it a hit. Get real. We also no longer allow laser pointers. Had an instant where they aimed it thru a 1mm crack with a punisher cannon and called it a hit, sheez!

What? That's just the rules. If you're in range, you're in range. Doesn't matter if it just clips the model. And LOS is LOS, regardless of lasers or not.

Not necessarily, i think what he is getting at, which all dark eldar understand is that he just clips the raiders front ram or saying he can shoot me because my sail is above the wall...le sigh... Under the rules those bits dont count as the hull of the vehical and carnt be targetted. One person rage quit caling me a powergamer because i wouldn't let him fire his plasma gun into the ram of my raider, which i didnt upgrade it to. What did he expect me to do, pull off the raiders ram so there is a gapping whole in my model?

as far as i can see that ram is part of the hull i agree on the sail but the ram i didnt know it was a weapon untill you said it here, but then you couldnt target a defrolla on an ork vehicle right?

This is where you need to step back and remeber this crap is just a game. I may not always have LoS, but when I do I shoot the ram....the road goes both ways.

hmmm i must have come over wrong the defrolla thing was a genuine question, ofcourse this is a game, and i was just telling you that i thaught the ram was part of the design of the vehicle (never played DE yet)

The ram isn't part of the model, you were right, but if the guy is going to be a dick to you, no reason you can't be one back to him when the time is right.

One thing that peeves me is when somebody will roll so that their dice are not visible to me. There is one guy who always seems to roll behind a terrain piece, and pick up the dice quickly.

On a side note, when i have to roll a massive number of dice with my orks, i will either break it into smaller groups where i can pull the fails more easily, or roll it all at once, and ask my opponent to help me pull the fails out. (i have had an opponent ask me to roll the attacks of a full strength boyz mob all at once. that was not easy.)


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 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Guardsmen Bob wrote:
When people roll scatter dice so far away from the target, and it seems like by the time they bring the ruler from the dice to the marker it's pointing in a different direction.

It gets worse when you call them on it, offer to correct it, and they tell you that you can't draw a straight line to save your life (despite keeping it perfectly straight) and they swing it around 45 degrees to measure incorrectly 3 more times in a row. My friends do this. Thank God we stopped playing games with scatter dice...it was becoming a chore to play games with them.

I have considered building a Spinning arrow into my templates, and then rolling a D3 instead of the scatter die.
1: opponent spins the spinner.
2: I spin the spinner
3: no scatter

If a special rule says it always scatters, than just spin the spinner.

Annoying table etiquette? I've seen my fair share, but list tailoring and funky smells are right up there. List tailoring annoys the hell out me. But seeing as its part of the game, I've kinda learnt to put up with it. I figure that if I can beat a list that's been tailored specifically to beat me then I'm doing something right!

Funky smells, that's another thing entirely. Please people, this hobby gets its fair share of detractors, and a lot of the complaints are made towards smelly, antisocial neck beards. Would it kill you to have a shower and a shave before you leave your house? Would it? I have a physical job (I'm a nurse) and therefore I'm pretty reeking after a 12 hour shift. But it takes 10 minutes to grab a shower and throw on some anti-perspirant, ya know?!

It's one of the reasons that my wife stopped going with me to watch games. Smelly, anti-social young men, arguing and acting like general douche bags.....