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DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/26 21:38:31


Post by: NoseGoblin


Welcome to the official, ongoing news and rumors thread for DreamForge-Games.
You can also keep up to date here: http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/
You can find our kits as they are released here: http://dreamforge-games.com/catalog/






I was working on box art for the soon to be released Leviathan Mortis and thought I would render out this amusing if not slightly disturbing scene

The Mortis braces itself on a nearby building while using its scythe arm to provide further stability and commences to administer a good old fashioned curb stomp. Repeatedly smashing the light mech into the broken pavement.The commander of the light mech must have really pissed off the pilot of the Mortis to provoke such a brutal response.






DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/26 21:43:52


Post by: Scottywan82


Joy! So happy about this stuff.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/26 22:06:08


Post by: Bolognesus


...So tell me, when will we see a plastic model for that light mech?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/26 22:13:38


Post by: agnosto


 Bolognesus wrote:
...So tell me, when will we see a plastic model for that light mech?


Ditto!!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/26 22:30:27


Post by: NoseGoblin


Bolognesus wrote:...So tell me, when will we see a plastic model for that light mech?


agnosto wrote:
 Bolognesus wrote:
...So tell me, when will we see a plastic model for that light mech?


Ditto!!


100% yes


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/26 22:39:39


Post by: Commander Cain


Damn that looks cool! I am regretting not adding any leviathans to my pledge now!

Are you going to be adding a bit more details onto the little walker? The colouring looks a little flat atm. Apart from that I say you have a pretty fine bit of box art there.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/26 23:49:53


Post by: Theophony


Super excited about these coming out. Would also like the light mech to come out. Waiting patiently for these to get to my door.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 00:37:36


Post by: inqscott


Is that light mech the puma? from the forum.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 00:41:26


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Bolognesus wrote:
...So tell me, when will we see a plastic model for that light mech?


y'know I read the description before looking and 100% expected the light mech would be a familiar looking 'Angry Washing Machine' design from a game set in the 401st Century.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 00:45:43


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


My question is: When will you release the building sets used in the making of this gorgeous image?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 00:52:05


Post by: Commander Cain


I almost asked that question!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 01:21:08


Post by: Yonan


Love the renders almost as much as the plastic they produced.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 01:23:41


Post by: ski2060


Mark replied on FB that he is designing plastic building components/kits. he hopes to release a full terrain line as well as models for the IC universe.
FB post: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=333849576723464&set=a.333849560056799.72751.170122359762854&type=1&theater



DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 01:30:12


Post by: SickSix


Wow... Now I want a Mortis! (well I did before anyways, I'll have to be happy with my Crusader)


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 02:07:20


Post by: RiTides


Love the image


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 02:08:55


Post by: Alpharius


ski2060 wrote:
Mark replied on FB that he is designing plastic building components/kits. he hopes to release a full terrain line as well as models for the IC universe.
FB post: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=333849576723464&set=a.333849560056799.72751.170122359762854&type=1&theater



This keeps getting better and better - and the timing couldn't be better too!

(Throgg costs $58?!?)

Can't wait for more factions, terrain, and the rules!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 04:41:14


Post by: Bolognesus


 NoseGoblin wrote:
Bolognesus wrote:...So tell me, when will we see a plastic model for that light mech?


agnosto wrote:
 Bolognesus wrote:
...So tell me, when will we see a plastic model for that light mech?


Ditto!!


100% yes

I do not for one second believe you *accidentally* missed the word "when" in that question


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 05:05:00


Post by: Salacious Greed


Wow, simply awesome. Can't wait for my pair of Mortis to arrive.

Really want the smaller ones to arrive faster too, to use as Maulerfiends with 2 claws.....


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 05:30:13


Post by: MrMoustaffa


What faction is the mech from? Is it from the "russians" that I keep hearing about?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 05:36:28


Post by: Dentry


This guy. He should be arrested for stealing Games Workshop's business.

Or are they giving it away. /ba-dum ching


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 06:26:27


Post by: Yonan


Ren and Stimpy fan btw Nose Goblin? Or is your username a more general American thing?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 06:46:26


Post by: NoseGoblin


 Yonan wrote:
Ren and Stimpy fan btw Nose Goblin? Or is your username a more general American thing?


Love the Ren and Stimpy.
Although my login does not show it, I have been bumping around Dakka for many years... before they changed the site. I fell in love with R&S and Nosegoblin stuck with me ever since.



DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 07:02:30


Post by: MrMoustaffa


 NoseGoblin wrote:
 Yonan wrote:
Ren and Stimpy fan btw Nose Goblin? Or is your username a more general American thing?


Love the Ren and Stimpy.
Although my login does not show it, I have been bumping around Dakka for many years... before they changed the site. I fell in love with R&S and Nosegoblin stuck with me ever since.


Not every day you see the head of a small company post a pic like that.

Can I use it as blackmail for more stormtroopers?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 12:08:22


Post by: RiTides


 MrMoustaffa wrote:
What faction is the mech from? Is it from the "russians" that I keep hearing about?

That's a good question, I'm curious too.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 12:26:52


Post by: Krinsath


 RiTides wrote:
 MrMoustaffa wrote:
What faction is the mech from? Is it from the "russians" that I keep hearing about?

That's a good question, I'm curious too.

I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time), but I believe that's the Puma Light Walker. Mark previewed it on the DFG forums many moons ago and I recall it having an Iron Cross on it. The image I can find that looks like it also has one, most likely making it an Eisenkern vehicle. Now, those renders were a while ago (prior to the first KS if memory serves) so it could easily be switching sides, but that's what it was at least.

EDIT: Also, the few shots of the Russian heads that Mark posted there (they appear to be down atm) were very nice. Fur caps, gas masks and the star just like the image on their fluff page.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 12:33:43


Post by: Yonan


 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Not every day you see the head of a small company post a pic like that.


Have not met a Ren and Stimpy (or John K in general) fan that wasn't an interesting individual ; p It only bodes well that Nose Goblin is a fan of Lint Loaf and Powdered Toast(TM), not to mention Log.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/27 13:10:29


Post by: Azazelx


Brilliant. The art, the kit, the puma (probably), the buildings. I just wish you'd stop showing them. It's making me more impatient for my stuff!



DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 01:17:31


Post by: Tannhauser42


 scipio.au wrote:
Brilliant. The art, the kit, the puma (probably), the buildings. I just wish you'd stop showing them. It's making me more impatient for my stuff!


And just think, the cargo ship carrying your stuff had to pass by your country on the way to mine.
I can't wait to see what else Mark has been working on. He's got to be close to finalizing the other sculpts to get them into production to meet the deadlines for the next two stages.
My question is, will he finish off the Eisenkern faction before moving on? (he did mention that there is still a light walker and a medium tank, IIRC) I would love to have a tank to complete the army.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 01:33:27


Post by: catharsix


 Yonan wrote:
 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Not every day you see the head of a small company post a pic like that.


Have not met a Ren and Stimpy (or John K in general) fan that wasn't an interesting individual ; p It only bodes well that Nose Goblin is a fan of Lint Loaf and Powdered Toast(TM), not to mention Log.


Sounds like we have a new, great slogan for Dream Forge Games:

Dream Forge: It's better than bad, it's good!



-C6


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 01:40:05


Post by: Kingsley


I like Dreamforge Games and hope that they start producing new designs soon and perhaps even move to making their own games. They seem like one of the few companies that is poised to really move into the multi-part plastic market and start competing directly with GW, which will only be good for hobbyists everywhere.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 02:04:54


Post by: Scottywan82


Damn right! Yu guys are in the drivers seat here. Keep it up and this will be a gold mine for you.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 06:08:53


Post by: RiTides


 Kingsley wrote:
I like Dreamforge Games and hope that they start producing new designs soon and perhaps even move to making their own games. They seem like one of the few companies that is poised to really move into the multi-part plastic market and start competing directly with GW, which will only be good for hobbyists everywhere.

Agreed, and I think most people feel this way. More multi-part plastic companies would be a fantastic thing, and for Dreamforge to lead the charge would be even better!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 10:02:23


Post by: Conrad Turner


 Kingsley wrote:
I like Dreamforge Games and hope that they start producing new designs soon and perhaps even move to making their own games. They seem like one of the few companies that is poised to really move into the multi-part plastic market and start competing directly with GW, which will only be good for hobbyists everywhere.


Except Mark and DFGdon't need to "Start competing directly with GW" as they have already blown GW out of the water in every respect where it counts. DFG's customer service, model design (hollow barrels, moving parts, interchangable weapons), and value for money are already way above what GW is putting out these days, to name only 3 areas. There really is nothing that Mark's product can be compared to in the market he is in. About the only things I can think of would be the higher end models of aircraft, or Revell's new London Routemaster Bus kits. I honestly can't think of a single thing in the tabletop wargamming field that is even to the same standard as the figures and vehicles that Mark has shown us through the Eisenkern Kickstarter.

I can't wait to get my stage 1 goodies, and to support DFG further in their next KS.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 10:19:50


Post by: Kingsley


 Conrad Turner wrote:
 Kingsley wrote:
I like Dreamforge Games and hope that they start producing new designs soon and perhaps even move to making their own games. They seem like one of the few companies that is poised to really move into the multi-part plastic market and start competing directly with GW, which will only be good for hobbyists everywhere.


Except Mark and DFGdon't need to "Start competing directly with GW" as they have already blown GW out of the water in every respect where it counts.


You're getting a little ahead of yourself, don't you think? If I walk into my local store, there are zero DFG kits and about 50+ GW ones. There are people playing games with GW models and not with DFG ones. Dreamforge has put out some cool stuff, but it is far from competing with GW.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
DFG's customer service, model design (hollow barrels, moving parts, interchangable weapons), and value for money are already way above what GW is putting out these days, to name only 3 areas.


I haven't interacted with DFG's customer service. GW has traditionally been very strong there but I could easily see DFG beating them thanks to its nature as a smaller manufacturer. In terms of model design, DFG has some impressive stuff, but IMO isn't yet up to the quality of GW's latest sculpts. Hollow barrels, moving parts, and interchangable weapons have been part of GW's designs for a while now, and while DFG certainly beats GW's older kits, I think they are more on even footing with more recent GW releases. Look at the Dark Vengeance set to see what GW's design studio can now produce-- and that's within the constraints of snap-together models! Further, GW has the advantage when it comes to general concepts-- DFG has yet to release anything truly original, while GW has more or less been setting wargaming trends for decades now.

Right now DFG strikes me as competing with Wargames Factory, Mantic, and Defiance Games, not GW. I think DFG is doing the best job of any of those companies, but it's still far from competing with GW, Privateer, Corvus Belli, or even Wyrd. You should keep in mind that I don't say this to insult DFG-- I think they're great and hope that they do, with time, begin competing with the big players-- but merely to point out that there's still a ways to go. I very much like what I'm seeing from Dreamforge and hope that they continue to grow their range of miniatures and operation as a whole.



DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 12:29:17


Post by: RiTides


I think he meant "blown GW out of the water" in the model design of what they're about to release. Of course, they're not a main competitor of GW... at least, not yet!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 13:42:28


Post by: Krinsath


Flipping through the GoA thread, and looking at a noticeable disinterest towards SoB from GW, I can't help but feel like this would be a good time for some WIP renders of Ada's Black Widow squad to mysteriously appear... </shamelessfishing>

Also, I noticed that DFG is due for a 10-year birthday soon. When that day arrives (whenever it is) I think that's worthy of some celebration as well.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 14:44:04


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


You should be ashamed of fishing for... wait... no. No shame in asking to see those *potentially* beautiful models I will own 20 of!

Seriously though, good to see Phase 2 is going well enough that you could spare time for box art.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 14:47:28


Post by: Jehan-reznor


I wanna know when those crusaders become available to us lowly non kickstarter people!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 14:53:45


Post by: chaos0xomega


I want my stuff... >.>

lol, I personally think DFG has blown GW out of the water already. They are producing GW quality product for considerably less. If GW made Leviathans they'd be twice the price of what Mark is charging.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 15:36:39


Post by: Theophony


chaos0xomega wrote:
I want my stuff... >.>

lol, I personally think DFG has blown GW out of the water already. They are producing GW quality product for considerably less. If GW made Leviathans they'd be twice the price of what Mark is charging.


Twice the price, mono pose, McDonald's happy meal quality....but it would come with dozens of purity seals.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 15:59:13


Post by: Salacious Greed


Well, to price compare, a single leviathan was $90, versus I think $86 for GWs new WHFB chaos brute beast or whatever it is. And its not the same level of fantastic, and it only comes on -2- sprues. Ridiculous. GW doesn't charge you for the kit, it charges you for what it does in the game.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 17:17:14


Post by: Theophony


 Salacious Greed wrote:
Well, to price compare, a single leviathan was $90, versus I think $86 for GWs new WHFB chaos brute beast or whatever it is. And its not the same level of fantastic, and it only comes on -2- sprues. Ridiculous. GW doesn't charge you for the kit, it charges you for what it does in the game.


I can't agree with the last statement. GW has plenty of overpriced kits that don't do anything in the game. I'm looking at you chaos spawn

Mark, I was still wondering if the leviathan arms were still going to be available separately later on. I ordered one of each plus a couple for another dakkite, but will be buying more leviathans when they are available. Will I be able to do that or has that ship sailed back to china.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 17:40:33


Post by: UNCLEBADTOUCH


Would love to know if the mini leviathans are still on schedule for march, time marches on after all lol


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 18:19:51


Post by: Bolognesus


Oh, I'd love to hear about those arms as well - I really really need one or two of those but couldn't afford it back then.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 19:30:51


Post by: Krinsath


Mark's last update stated that while Stage 1 had slipped, Stages 2 and 3 were still on schedule for March and May, respectively, plus a month for transit and shipping I'd wager. I suspect this is due to Stage 2 being simpler for tooling as it's primarily the Leviathan arms (simple compared to multi-part infantry kits), the Mortis (a lot of components shared with the Crusader) and the 15mm Crusader (the tricksy one, though apparently just a downscaling).

I don't know about the arms, but at last statement they would not be readily available until the corresponding Leviathan was for sale outside of the KS. I don't know if Mark wants to put in some wiggle room for KS backers or what though. It would certainly seem unusual to make them and not sell them, but he might also have some other tricks up his sleeve.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/28 20:04:39


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


I think they'll be available for sale, just later, when Mark will have made enough to repay the cost of more molds, or something like that.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/29 04:06:37


Post by: Yonan


If Mark can keep up this quality in plastic for other ranges - count me in as a 100% convert from GW as I'm more a modeler than a gamer. The reason I cancelled my pledge for the GoA kickstarter was their mono pose and non-plastic models I wasn't confident of the end result being as good as these. The detail from this production process looks amazing.

Is the USPS international postage price increase going to screw you over too badly Nose Goblin? If you need us to adjust our pledges to pay for it that's perfectly reasonable imo.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/29 09:05:29


Post by: Azazelx


I just wish I could add some of those lovely looking Eisenkarn troopers to my pledge, but I couldn't afford to add any more as I was already close enough to triple digits...

I need to find a decent WGF stockist in the UK... I used to get their stuff from Maelstrom.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/29 09:15:57


Post by: RiTides


A UK stockist is a great idea, and might alleviate a bit of the postage burden (eventually, I know the first rewards will ship directly from US).


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/29 14:00:12


Post by: Bolognesus


I know one FLGS who would be happy to stock but he's going to need an EU distributor (and preferably one with a pricelist in euros!)
Can't imagine there aren't more of those and can't imagine there's not some distributors more than willing to take on an extra range of this level of quality, either...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/29 14:20:43


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


By my calculations (ok, Google Maps) It shouldn't have taken more than three days at a leisurely pace to get from the Port of LA to Salt Lake City (which takes into account a full day spent in traffic in LA)

So the stuff should be on its way to us by now, surely?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/29 14:24:04


Post by: Theophony


Don't forget it is one container on a ship of hundreds if noth thousands. They all have to be unloaded off the ship and hopefully the customs agents don't feel like inspecting our container. Because if they do that will add on lots of time as they open the boxes, assemble a few leviathans and begin selling them on eBay.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/29 14:26:27


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


That's a good one. As long as they don't build mine.

Still, it's been 8 days now. From what I've heard, ships get unloaded quite a bit faster than this. Raging fanboys demand this.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/29 14:59:06


Post by: Krinsath


The container must clear customs (sometimes fast, sometimes slow), arrive at WGF Utah, be unloaded and sorted, some final packaging done (IIRC Mark said some of the assembly instructions would actually be put in Stateside to avoid further delays) and THEN sorted into the actual shipments per backer. With the number of backers, I'd imagine roughly a week and a half from the time it clears customs to when boxes go out the door.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/29 15:11:28


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


COntainers can clear customs amost instantly

or they can take several weeks (I think one of Reapers took 5-6 weeks to clear for no apparent reason)


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/29 15:18:57


Post by: Theophony


I'm good without instructions in the package, just put them up on the dreamforge site like you did with the resin crusader and I'll be fine, just send the plastic, I'm having withdrawals.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 11:29:34


Post by: GBL


Any idea when those people too poor for the kickstarter will be able to preorder the storm troopers?

Also, I know its a long shot. any chance we may one day see those helmets without the bucket helmet overhang? Would love these for some star wars counts as.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 12:32:59


Post by: Yonan


GBL wrote:
Any idea when those people too poor for the kickstarter will be able to preorder the storm troopers?

If they weren't so awesome I'd consider selling some of my 60, at a slight markup of 300% ofc. Mates rates.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 13:33:07


Post by: shasolenzabi


I can't wait to see what the Russian faction winds up like based on the Eisenkern stuff, they should be awesome!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 13:39:40


Post by: Krinsath


 shasolenzabi wrote:
I can't wait to see what the Russian faction winds up like based on the Eisenkern stuff, they should be awesome!


Couple years old now (almost), but based on how Eisenkern turned out from the WIP I'd say it's encouraging...

http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2011/02/protectorate-trooper-and-eisenkern.html


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 14:25:50


Post by: judgedoug


Posted in response when I asked if the DF kits would be at Williamsburg Muster gaming con (Feb 1-3)

"I have 5 boxes of DreamForge kits for display only. When manufacture and shipment to our warehouse is completed ALL Kickstarter supporters will be sent their kits. After that process is completed the DreamForge kits will then be posted on our web store for purchase. Then shipments to Wargames Factory customers will begin. As soon as the kits are available on our web store I will be able to share additional information with our forum members.
To answer the unasked question; soon, very soon shipments will begin to Kickstarter supporters. I love being able to show everyone at conventions the kits! They are great!"


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 15:06:07


Post by: Theophony


@judgedoug. Who was that quote from? Was it mark or someone else from wargamesfactory?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 17:10:09


Post by: judgedoug


Jim Goss @ Wargames Factory. So this weekend I'll take a bunch of pics of the 5 kits on display at Williamsburg Muster and post them for everyone to see.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 19:18:58


Post by: Krinsath


New update from Mark on the KS:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dreamforge-games/something-wicked-this-way-comes-crusader-plastic-m/posts/395637

A very interesting tidbit for some people:

A note to our backers down under (Australia as well as the Pacific Rim, Asia):
We found that we could ship to this zone direct from Hong Kong at nearly the same cost of shipping from the US Your orders were sent Hong Kong Post direct to help speed your delivery. Customers in those regions will receive a tracking number next week, sent by Wargames Factory and should receive your kits at about the same time that the US customers receive theirs. The UK and EU backers could not be shipped this method due to the postal costs.


While I derive no benefit from it, I think that's really cool of them to look out for people who are historically, ahem, overlooked by other companies in this market.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 21:15:18


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


10 inches of snow can paralyse a city. It took Montreal 10 days to clear that much snow, and you'd think we'd be used to it.

It's a good move on their part to take care of Australian/New Zealanders (are they same people?) in such a way.

Say what you will about our Chinese overlords, our lives are comfortable...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 21:20:43


Post by: plastictrees


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Australian/New Zealanders (are they same people?)


A stream of incomprehensible swear words is shooting across the pacific at this very moment.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 21:31:23


Post by: miniholic


Guess he's save for a few moments....those Tasmanian Devils might just have breakfast right now.

OT: Great news! Cool that Mark thought about them and at his costs! Win win situation!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 22:08:20


Post by: NoseGoblin


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
10 inches of snow can paralyse a city. It took Montreal 10 days to clear that much snow, and you'd think we'd be used to it.

It's a good move on their part to take care of Australian/New Zealanders (are they same people?) in such a way.

Say what you will about our Chinese overlords, our lives are comfortable...


Australian/New Zealanders English/Scottish=four nationalities is is best not to lump together Although I must admit, I would love to go to a pub with the entire group at once...heh


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 22:19:00


Post by: Krinsath


You could throw the Irish in there for a real party. Joking aside, it's nice when "saving money" and "customer service" align that nicely.

Now, about some WIP Black Widows...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 22:19:25


Post by: Bolognesus


Yes, you could talk all night and noone would understand a word of each other.
...which is just fine, with some pub nights around here


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 22:23:03


Post by: RiTides


Special shipping for Aus is sweet and a nice contrast to folks down there usually paying out the nose and waiting longer for stuff to boot.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 22:42:45


Post by: Theophony


 NoseGoblin wrote:
 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
10 inches of snow can paralyse a city. It took Montreal 10 days to clear that much snow, and you'd think we'd be used to it.

It's a good move on their part to take care of Australian/New Zealanders (are they same people?) in such a way.

Say what you will about our Chinese overlords, our lives are comfortable...


Australian/New Zealanders English/Scottish=four nationalities is is best not to lump together Although I must admit, I would love to go to a pub with the entire group at once...heh


Almost sounds like the start of a joke

Less kidding aside, anyone here on dakka that can drive an eighteen wheeler living in Utah? If it doesn't move quick I may have found something to do with my three day weekend this week.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 22:48:25


Post by: krazynadechukr


A Scotsman, an Englishman, and an Irishman meet in a bar while traveling."Y'know" said the Scotsman, "I still prefer the pubs back home. In Glasgow, there's a wonderful little bar called McTavish's. The landlord there goes out of his way for the locals, so much that when you buy 4 drinks he'll buy the 5th drink for you.""Well," said the Englishman, "at my local, the Red Lion, the barman there will buy your 3rd drink after you buy the first 2.""Ahhhhh, that's nothing, laddies," said the Irishman."Back home in me own Dublin, there's Ryan's Bar. Now, the moment you set foot in the place they'll buy you a drink, then another, all the drinks you like. Then, when, when you've had enough drinks, they'll take you upstairs and see that you get laid All on the house."The Englishman and Scotsman immediately scorn the Irishman's claims. But he swears every word is true."Well," said the Englishman, "did this actually happen to you?""Not to me meself, personally, no," said the Irishman... "but it did happen to me sister."


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 23:37:21


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


Yes, it was all in jest. I couldn't resist.

My brother can drive one of those beasts, if he were in the area, I'm sure he'd welcome a little bit of extra cash. He ain't, though.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/30 23:48:21


Post by: NoseGoblin


 RiTides wrote:
Special shipping for Aus is sweet and a nice contrast to folks down there usually paying out the nose and waiting longer for stuff to boot.


When we first looked at it, it was just a few dollars more to ship from HK but we decided it was a nice gesture for a country that usually gets over charged and overlooked. Soon after we found out about the USPS increase and we actually saved a few dollars... nice when it comes together like that. Just so you know, we did run the numbers again for everywhere but the US to make sure that we could not add more countries to the list. I think that we had one order from Dubai that was added but the EU/UK still was not within reach.

We do what we can


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/31 00:20:15


Post by: Theophony


Mark you'll never get a job with that other company if you keep treating customers nice and spending time in the forums.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/31 00:57:08


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


I thought that was the whole point, of not having to work for someone else.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/31 01:58:44


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Uh...Doesn't he work for WGF now? (Until he pays off his debt, I mean.)


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/31 02:36:28


Post by: Yonan


 NoseGoblin wrote:
 RiTides wrote:
Special shipping for Aus is sweet and a nice contrast to folks down there usually paying out the nose and waiting longer for stuff to boot.


When we first looked at it, it was just a few dollars more to ship from HK but we decided it was a nice gesture for a country that usually gets over charged and overlooked. Soon after we found out about the USPS increase and we actually saved a few dollars... nice when it comes together like that. Just so you know, we did run the numbers again for everywhere but the US to make sure that we could not add more countries to the list. I think that we had one order from Dubai that was added but the EU/UK still was not within reach.

We do what we can

Not only a Ren and Stimpy fan but a top bloke/company that goes the extra mile. Glad it worked out well for you too with the postage price increase, though that'll still be a problem for other areas I imagine.

Does the GW comparison need to be made? I'll just assume people know it. If we cringe away from you Mark, it's only because we've been treated so harshly by our former master. Whipped dog syndrome and all that.

edit: Do you have an ETA for when they'll arrive for us, and will they be signed for? Not sure if HK post offers that... everything I've had from them has been door drops.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/31 02:55:25


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


The update mentionned same time as the backers in the US, so since it should start shipping next week, you can estimate how fast joey-mail gets it to ya.

I certainly think he's beholden to them, but not in a "you have to design this for us by next week" kinda way.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/31 03:17:34


Post by: Krinsath


I imagine his relationship with WGF is one mutual convenience. Mark doesn't have to worry about tooling/production which is beyond his ability as a one-man show, and WGF doesn't have to worry about designs which is a very tricky thing to get "just right." WGF doesn't ream Mark to create the tooling (a non-trivial expense), but likely retains the rights to those tools so Mark basically has to give them their cut of their process which figures to be fairly substantial given that they're also using their distribution chain. However, Mark can offer a very compelling product, and WGF has things in production on their machines making them money. A very good partnership on paper.

While it has the potential for WGF to be abusive to Mark and essentially make him an employee, doing so would essentially be cutting their own throats as being "borged" would likely not improve the quality of DFG's designs. Lower quality designs turns into lower sales figures, which would defeat the point of acquiring the brand. The bad blood such a scenario would create among the (comparatively small) miniatures community wouldn't be good either, especially combined with the how WGF became essentially a Chinese company in the first place.

Some companies might not operate like dfG-Wgf do and make very bone-headed business decisions for short-term gains, but with both of these entities being privately-owned (I believe) there's a much greater chance for "enlightened self-interest" to do it's work.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/31 03:42:20


Post by: Azazelx


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

It's a good move on their part to take care of Australian/New Zealanders (are they same people?) in such a way.


We are culturally similar, but "the same people" only inasmuch as Canadians and those from the US can be said to be the same people.

The next closest would probably be Canadians and British.


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 Yonan wrote:
Do you have an ETA for when they'll arrive for us, and will they be signed for? Not sure if HK post offers that... everything I've had from them has been door drops.


I've had plenty of signed-for packages from HK. None that will be this large, though... They could already be on their way as the update says they "were sent" (not "will be" sent). HK post is the usual 10 days to 3 weeks (most 2 weeks) so if they could arrive at the same time as US shipments, it could me mid-late next week (probably at the absolute earliest).



DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/31 13:50:41


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


It only takes a few days in the southern or western US to realize how British we really are... even those of us who flaunt our uniqueness because we are francophone.

*sigh* I wish I could see for myself though. New Zealand sounds great at this time of the year. Is Australia still under an intense heat wave?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/01/31 14:10:36


Post by: scarletsquig


You guys really don't understand how licensing deals work, do you?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 01:14:35


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


 scarletsquig wrote:
You guys really don't understand how licensing deals work, do you?


I must confess it is far from my area of expertse. No need to say it like it is a personal fault, however.


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But. but. but... what about Friday? Surely they could have prepared stuff on Friday!

I jest.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 01:55:26


Post by: Commander Cain


I am just a teensy bit excited now, especially as I have completely forgotten what I ordered!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 02:10:15


Post by: Yonan


Nice update Mark ; ) Love the news reports, the perks of everything being digital I guess.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 02:22:14


Post by: MrMoustaffa



*foams at mouth*


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 03:46:51


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


Come to think of it, most of the awesomer goodies come in wave three... ze ladies, and the uber-cool heavies.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 03:49:47


Post by: Buzzsaw


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Come to think of it, most of the awesomer goodies come in wave three... ze ladies, and the uber-cool heavies.


Pff, have you forgotten both the Shadowkesh and Ada are in wave one? Besides, I plan on assembling and painting my Stormtroopers before the next wave arrives.

What? It might happen...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 03:59:19


Post by: Yonan


 Buzzsaw wrote:
 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Come to think of it, most of the awesomer goodies come in wave three... ze ladies, and the uber-cool heavies.


Pff, have you forgotten both the Shadowkesh and Ada are in wave one? Besides, I plan on assembling and painting my Stormtroopers before the next wave arrives.

What? It might happen...


I too have planned the same... I lie. I have 4 armies unassembled still. *cries* But I'm going to have a lot of fun with the highly detailed accessory sprues! Man that's going to be awesome posing those guys.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 04:02:57


Post by: sparkywtf


 Buzzsaw wrote:
 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Come to think of it, most of the awesomer goodies come in wave three... ze ladies, and the uber-cool heavies.


Pff, have you forgotten both the Shadowkesh and Ada are in wave one? Besides, I plan on assembling and painting my Stormtroopers before the next wave arrives.

What? It might happen...


I swear I am gonna have mine done too! Might even prime them too!

I am sad that I may miss out on getting my stuff on day it will be delivered. I will be going to Vegas Sunday for most of the week. I would hate to see everyone open all their new toys and mine be stuck at work all alone.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 06:30:58


Post by: Krinsath


I do love the news updates and their humorous format.

I also love that I'm almost to that final countdown to my Plasticrack.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 07:31:34


Post by: Theophony


To put it in the format mark might appreciate

"Happy happy joy joy"


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 18:31:10


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


I had forgotten about the Shadokesh... damn. And for some reason, I had maxed out my Ada pledge, no one was interested in my group but in the past few weeks, they've all asked me for one.

Since I only got myself a single box of Eisenkern and a trio of Heavy weapons, I guess I'll be able to paint it all in time for the girls' homecoming?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 22:41:25


Post by: judgedoug


Reporting in from Williamsburg Muster. Wargames Factory has a booth and the Dreamforge stuff is available to look at (not purchase). I am hands on with all five kits.

They are without a doubt the best plastic miniatures I have ever looked at or handled in my entire life of 32 years.

The level of detail is crazy. The level of customization is insane. The Leviathan just is absurdly amazing. A marvelous feat of engineering. Also retail is $120 on it. They will be available for preorder soon but only will ship after all KS backers have received theirs.

Dreamforge and Wargames Factory have absolutely conquered the plastic miniatures market. Renedra and Citadel look like crap compared to these kits.

Also I just bought 14 boxes of wargames factory figures and my fiancée is gonna kill me.

But yes everyone will be bleeding joy from their eyes and brains and hearts when they see how insanely awesome the Dreamforge kits look in person.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 23:00:26


Post by: Theophony


Pictures, we demands them. Pictures of our precious.....


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/01 23:00:27


Post by: catharsix


 judgedoug wrote:
Reporting in from Williamsburg Muster. Wargames Factory has a booth and the Dreamforge stuff is available to look at (not purchase). I am hands on with all five kits.

They are without a doubt the best plastic miniatures I have ever looked at or handled in my entire life of 32 years.

The level of detail is crazy. The level of customization is insane. The Leviathan just is absurdly amazing. A marvelous feat of engineering. Also retail is $120 on it. They will be available for preorder soon but only will ship after all KS backers have received theirs.

Dreamforge and Wargames Factory have absolutely conquered the plastic miniatures market. Renedra and Citadel look like crap compared to these kits.

Also I just bought 14 boxes of wargames factory figures and my fiancée is gonna kill me.

But yes everyone will be bleeding joy from their eyes and brains and hearts when they see how insanely awesome the Dreamforge kits look in person.


Awesome. I expected that this stuff would be good, but it didn't have to make "Renedra and Citadel look like crap." Though I'm happy if it does!

Any word on how much Stormtroopers, or for that matter, any of the infantry models will cost?

-C6


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 01:37:13


Post by: judgedoug


I'll try to find out more on pricing tomorrow! And see if I can take pics. The Leviathan box is HUGE.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 16:06:36


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


And now we join our correspondent judgedoug, on location.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 16:26:31


Post by: judgedoug


sorry guys, I'm super goddamn hungover. promise to try to get some pics in the next few hours. it's 11:23 AM here.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 16:47:52


Post by: antalas


pre-orders page is live on spikey-bits for anyone that missed out on the kickstarter. No deliver dates as of yet because the kickstarter orders need to be filled completely first but there is retail pricing info.

http://www.spikeybits.com/servlet/the-DreamForge-Games/Categories


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 17:02:15


Post by: Commander Cain


Even at retail the prices are incredible! 20 stormtroopers for less than half of what a box of space marines costs. Bargain if I ever saw one!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 17:04:40


Post by: Mad4Minis


Wow...$120 retail for the Crusader....$96 with discount, thats awesome pricing. I can picture a lot of those being sold.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 17:06:45


Post by: judgedoug


and once the reviews start rolling out.. .trust me, mindblowing quality.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 17:12:02


Post by: Krinsath


 Commander Cain wrote:
Even at retail the prices are incredible! 20 stormtroopers for less than half of what a box of space marines costs. Bargain if I ever saw one!


That's the 10 man squad. The 20 man squad is $42 at retail. Still, given the apparent quality it's not an outland-ish price. It does make the KickStarter an *excellent* value since you also get the accessories sprue.

They're not unreasonable prices for quality, hard-plastic, multi-part models, though part of me wishes the difference between DFG and GW was just a smidge wider. I suppose it won't matter too much if judgedoug is right though; people tend to not mind paying for quality goods as much as shovelwares.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 17:30:46


Post by: Bolognesus


Are you sure the 20man box contains the accessory sprue? I thought that had to be purchased separately (just included with the KS rewards).


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 17:38:27


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 judgedoug wrote:
sorry guys, I'm super goddamn hungover. promise to try to get some pics in the next few hours. it's 11:23 AM here.


Celebratory drinking, or were the models so disappointing they drove you into the bottle?

Also, this post is extra ironic because the models are shipping out of Utah.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 17:52:23


Post by: Krinsath


 Bolognesus wrote:
Are you sure the 20man box contains the accessory sprue? I thought that had to be purchased separately (just included with the KS rewards).


Every 20 man box from the KS has the accessories sprue included for free. I do not believe it is included in the retail box, and is only for sale separately. If that's correct, I think the 3+ box counts amount to a 50% savings over retail, which is awesome for those who backed it.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 17:58:01


Post by: NoseGoblin


 Krinsath wrote:
 Bolognesus wrote:
Are you sure the 20man box contains the accessory sprue? I thought that had to be purchased separately (just included with the KS rewards).


Every 20 man box from the KS has the accessories sprue included for free. I do not believe it is included in the retail box, and is only for sale separately. If that's correct, I think the 3+ box counts amount to a 50% savings over retail, which is awesome for those who backed it.


KS backers get the full retail box of the Stormtrooper Accessory Set with each 20 man box set, plus free or deeply discounted shipping.. so yes. it is a great return on investment for the KS backers


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 18:15:06


Post by: judgedoug


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
sorry guys, I'm super goddamn hungover. promise to try to get some pics in the next few hours. it's 11:23 AM here.


Celebratory drinking, or were the models so disappointing they drove you into the bottle?

Also, this post is extra ironic because the models are shipping out of Utah.


Spent five minutes thinking of a witty reply but brain no think work good. Gonna head over and try to take some pics.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 18:19:16


Post by: NoseGoblin


 judgedoug wrote:
sorry guys, I'm super goddamn hungover. promise to try to get some pics in the next few hours. it's 11:23 AM here.


Where do I sign up for that job?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 18:21:14


Post by: Krinsath


 judgedoug wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
sorry guys, I'm super goddamn hungover. promise to try to get some pics in the next few hours. it's 11:23 AM here.


Celebratory drinking, or were the models so disappointing they drove you into the bottle?

Also, this post is extra ironic because the models are shipping out of Utah.


Spent five minutes thinking of a witty reply but brain no think work good. Gonna head over and try to take some pics.


He was so sad that he could have their awesomeness on the table "RIGHT NAO" that he started sad-drinking. Then he realized he would have them soon, and started party-drinking. Then he realized he had to get pictures for the Internet and went back to sad-drinking. Three drinking sessions in a night leads to some nasty hangovers.

Is the free flea market at the Muster going to let us see the WGF booth? I might make the trip in that case, but I'm not a fan of paying gas and $20 to see something I'll get in a week or two anyway...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 18:49:06


Post by: Commander Cain


 Krinsath wrote:
 Commander Cain wrote:
Even at retail the prices are incredible! 20 stormtroopers for less than half of what a box of space marines costs. Bargain if I ever saw one!


That's the 10 man squad. The 20 man squad is $42 at retail. Still, given the apparent quality it's not an outland-ish price. It does make the KickStarter an *excellent* value since you also get the accessories sprue.

They're not unreasonable prices for quality, hard-plastic, multi-part models, though part of me wishes the difference between DFG and GW was just a smidge wider. I suppose it won't matter too much if judgedoug is right though; people tend to not mind paying for quality goods as much as shovelwares.


Whoops, meant to say double the troops, not half the price! (It made sense in my head.. )


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 19:03:17


Post by: judgedoug


Alrighty folks, Jim let me take the (we think) first public pictures of the Dreamforge sprues


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DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 19:13:27


Post by: judgedoug


More...

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DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 19:13:58


Post by: kenshin620


Delicious!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 19:18:24


Post by: judgedoug


And finally...


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My camera's flash like super highlighted the mold linesto an exaggerated degree. There was only marginal mold lines in reality, even after running my fingers along the sprues (ooh la la).

I love the tiny little straps connecting the front/back leg armor plates together.

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DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 19:26:28


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


So a box of the 20 heavies, which would make excellent Spess Muhreens, will still be a lot cheaper than 2 boxes of the official models.

I smell count-as in the air... Not that I want Grey Knights. It's just that Mark is forcing me to make them!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 19:37:58


Post by: ironicsilence


pre-orders are up at the warstore


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 19:42:32


Post by: Theophony


Alright I have to be the first to say it....
"Mark, any news or sprue shots from wave 2?"


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 19:42:56


Post by: judgedoug


Yup, Jim just told me that WGF have another cargo container incoming. Retailers have been allotted amounts from that container. ETA to retailers is a few weeks, but KS stuff is priority.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 19:44:13


Post by: ski2060


I think my airbrush will get a workout soon. Looks like it's time to take my metal Kriegsmarine models out of their packaging and get them put together and painted.

Mark, any idea if you will be doing plastic Kriegsmarine models at some point in the future?
I prefer the look of them to the Stormtrooper models.

So, contest to get some DFG KS models painted up and showcased for the interwebs?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 19:44:53


Post by: Valhallan42nd


I'm positively drooling thinking about having my GK and matching Not-Titan at Adepticon.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 19:48:59


Post by: judgedoug


 Krinsath wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
sorry guys, I'm super goddamn hungover. promise to try to get some pics in the next few hours. it's 11:23 AM here.


Celebratory drinking, or were the models so disappointing they drove you into the bottle?

Also, this post is extra ironic because the models are shipping out of Utah.


Spent five minutes thinking of a witty reply but brain no think work good. Gonna head over and try to take some pics.


He was so sad that he could have their awesomeness on the table "RIGHT NAO" that he started sad-drinking. Then he realized he would have them soon, and started party-drinking. Then he realized he had to get pictures for the Internet and went back to sad-drinking. Three drinking sessions in a night leads to some nasty hangovers.

Is the free flea market at the Muster going to let us see the WGF booth? I might make the trip in that case, but I'm not a fan of paying gas and $20 to see something I'll get in a week or two anyway...


I was mainly drinking because my French were soundly thrashed by Henry V's forces at the Battle of Harfleur... here's the chain of events. I was drinking because I hate the French and was playing them, then I was drinking because I lost, and then I was drunk and bought 8 boxes of WGF Samurai and 6 boxes of WGF WSS, then I drank some more to forget that my fiancee will kill me. And now today I wanna get Jim drunk so I can convince him to let me "borrow" the Dreamforge kits. But I'll probably wind up getting drunk again myself.

I honestly think no one will care about you wandering over to the vendor area without registering (the flea market will be in the other smaller room). Seriously just walk into the hotel, hang a right immediately. When you get to the big room, WGF is back at the left. Bring a napkin for your drool.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 22:24:07


Post by: NoseGoblin


Examples of assembled box sets posted on my blog page

http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2013/02/examples-of-assembled-box-sets.html





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 judgedoug wrote:
I wanna get Jim drunk so I can convince him to let me "borrow" the Dreamforge kits. But I'll probably wind up getting drunk again myself.

I honestly think no one will care about you wandering over to the vendor area without registering (the flea market will be in the other smaller room). Seriously just walk into the hotel, hang a right immediately. When you get to the big room, WGF is back at the left. Bring a napkin for your drool.


Lol, I thought you Were Jim.... ahaha


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 23:01:18


Post by: antalas


Thanks for the pics! I can not wait for my boxes to get here. Also very much looking forward to seeing future models from DreamForge. You're doing a great job Mark.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 23:11:51


Post by: Melcavuk


Looking awesome, will be nice when these go on general sale (missed the kickstarter)


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 23:34:34


Post by: Mad4Minis


 ironicsilence wrote:
pre-orders are up at the warstore


AWESOME. Thewarstore is my favorite online retailer.

Heres a link: https://www.thewarstore.com/DreamForgeGames.html


Mark, this has to make you super excited...your creations are available at a major online retailer, with their own category no less...thats a pretty big deal.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/02 23:38:31


Post by: RiTides


Assembled box pic looks fantastic!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 04:01:03


Post by: shasolenzabi


Very nice looking minis. Droooooooool.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 06:49:02


Post by: Andrew1975


holy crap, holycrap, holycrapholycrapholycrap!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 07:33:33


Post by: Breotan


 Andrew1975 wrote:
holy crap, holycrap, holycrapholycrapholycrap!
Yep. Them are some purty models up dere.

I really wish I was interested in doing an IG style army. I'd buy these in a heartbeat. Still, I expect I'll be more than content with my Crusader for a while at least.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 08:08:46


Post by: DeChevalier


Any idea when the 2nd KS for DreamForge will be going live??

... and will it be for Shadowkesh??!? *hopes*


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 09:21:23


Post by: Yonan


Thanks for the pics, good to see more shots of sprues and minis : )

After reading up on the setting the Eisenkern are in, I'm probably up for any of the factions tbh. If they maintain Marks great designing and WGF's great production I'm sold.

Getting to the stage where i'm thinking "screw counts as 40k, what a waste." That would depend on the rules though I guess.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 16:55:24


Post by: agustin


My local store confirmed they're bringing them in when they're available. I do have a couple of questions though:

How big is the base this thing is standing on?

Spoiler:


Also, what was the final word on the Mortis from the Kickstarter? Is it getting the plastic treatment? Stand alone kit? Upgrade kit? Resin upgrade kit?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 17:32:11


Post by: inqscott


The Mortis will be in plastic too. Stand alone kit I can't remember which wave though sorry.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 17:48:20


Post by: Bolognesus


I believe Mark mentioned that base was 160mm?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 17:59:52


Post by: ski2060


Everything from the KS will be in plastic. The Mortis is a wave 3 model IIRC.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 18:04:37


Post by: Theophony


Big mortis is wave 2, along with the different weapons and mini leviathans.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 18:25:05


Post by: Kingsley


I'm actually quite underwhelmed by the actual assembled picture of these guys. They don't seem to have meaningfully achieved the type of benefits that multi-part plastics can provide-- the poses there look quite bland and undifferentiated from one another. Hopefully the addon packs will allow for more variety in this respect.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 18:45:41


Post by: Andrew1975


 Kingsley wrote:
I'm actually quite underwhelmed by the actual assembled picture of these guys. They don't seem to have meaningfully achieved the type of benefits that multi-part plastics can provide-- the poses there look quite bland and undifferentiated from one another. Hopefully the addon packs will allow for more variety in this respect.


Really? I think they are leagues more different than say IG or marines, Plus with that assesory pack, you can do moast anything, I wish there were more kneeling or a laying down position, but what models do you see that are more possible?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 18:52:06


Post by: Agamemnon2


 Kingsley wrote:
Hopefully the addon packs will allow for more variety in this respect.

Considering the upgrade pack has 48 arms, 60 hands, dozens of heads, weapons, pouches, gear and gubbins & gibbons, I think this goes without saying.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 18:52:15


Post by: NoseGoblin


 Kingsley wrote:
I'm actually quite underwhelmed by the actual assembled picture of these guys. They don't seem to have meaningfully achieved the type of benefits that multi-part plastics can provide-- the poses there look quite bland and undifferentiated from one another. Hopefully the addon packs will allow for more variety in this respect.


Granted I did not push the pose for each figure to be unique. I tried to simply show the various arms and legs in a more neutral stance.
Having said that, these are not character models; they are core troop choices. They truly benefit from the Accessory pack. If I had made overly dynamic poses, you would have had twenty jumping, leaping space ninjas… I chose to stick to more realistic leg poses for the core troop choices.

I would wager that if you line up twenty of any core troop choice models from any manufacturer and they would look rather homogeneous. I have provided the tools: 12 leg poses 3 arm poses of each weapon and the ability to pose most of the miniature as you choose, and an extensive accessory set to customize your miniatures. This is well beyond most major manufacturers, what you do with the tools provided is totally up to you.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 18:53:12


Post by: ski2060


You need this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/500504.page

Pics of models made with the Accessory sprue.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 19:11:03


Post by: Tannhauser42


 NoseGoblin wrote:
If I had made overly dynamic poses, you would have had twenty jumping, leaping space ninjas…


Ok, I vote that Mark's next Kickstarter is not for Shadokesh,but for an army of leaping space ninjas.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 19:32:09


Post by: Theophony


After the shadokesh you should have an army of red shirts backed up by white hats in cardboard power armor. Wait, that army will be coming after you in real life for destroying their game.

So mark, any renders of shadokesh you can share? Or approximate timeline for them and the rules?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 22:55:23


Post by: agustin


Kingsley wrote:I'm actually quite underwhelmed by the actual assembled picture of these guys. They don't seem to have meaningfully achieved the type of benefits that multi-part plastics can provide-- the poses there look quite bland and undifferentiated from one another.


LOL. Should they be in ballet poses or something?

You need to take a second look at the picture, because they are very, very different from one another.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/03 23:23:22


Post by: judgedoug


agustin wrote:
Kingsley wrote:I'm actually quite underwhelmed by the actual assembled picture of these guys. They don't seem to have meaningfully achieved the type of benefits that multi-part plastics can provide-- the poses there look quite bland and undifferentiated from one another.


LOL. Should they be in ballet poses or something?

You need to take a second look at the picture, because they are very, very different from one another.


Naw dawg, they should be like WHFB Empire soldiers, where they're all in the same pose 'cept some of them don't have shoes and they don't know how to use their own weapons.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 01:34:50


Post by: Yonan


 NoseGoblin wrote:
Having said that, these are not character models; they are core troop choices. They truly benefit from the Accessory pack. If I had made overly dynamic poses, you would have had twenty jumping, leaping space ninjas… I chose to stick to more realistic leg poses for the core troop choices.

Yep, these are space Germans. They didn't have ninjas (they weren't even allowed to borrow any you know when), ergo they need to be posed in a more regimented fashion. Unless they're dual wielding SMGs - the chef must have boiled his sauerkraut too long, that guy was *really* angry.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 04:01:11


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


 Tannhauser42 wrote:
 NoseGoblin wrote:
If I had made overly dynamic poses, you would have had twenty jumping, leaping space ninjas…


Ok, I vote that Mark's next Kickstarter is not for Shadokesh,but for an army of leaping space ninjas.


I second the motion.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 05:42:20


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


Won't they have a tough time competing against Gates of Antares' Leaping Space Ninja Pirate Zombies?

No, he'd better stick to what's safe.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 14:03:49


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


Again, going back to older topics, but wouldn't it make sense to, maybe, explore the avenue of, if there is a second KS, offering a less in depth look at a single faction, but offering more factions?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 14:13:27


Post by: Theophony


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Won't they have a tough time competing against Gates of Antares' Leaping FURRY Space Ninja Pirate Zombies?

No, he'd better stick to what's safe.


Fixed that for you, and no, no comparison. If mark doesn't have the rules sorted out yet I say he should call Rick priestly and have him come up with the rules system. I have enjoyed many of ricks games and their mechanics over the years.

As to the next faction, definitely a fully fleshed out shadokesh, or at least as full as the Eisenkern, so there would be at least two factions to play the game. Lets not be GW and develope five armies with only half or quarter of the range produced over the next five years. Maybe what you did with the last KS by having a limited edition preview figure for the space Russians or whoever is next after that.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 14:18:07


Post by: judgedoug


 NoseGoblin wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
I wanna get Jim drunk so I can convince him to let me "borrow" the Dreamforge kits. But I'll probably wind up getting drunk again myself.

I honestly think no one will care about you wandering over to the vendor area without registering (the flea market will be in the other smaller room). Seriously just walk into the hotel, hang a right immediately. When you get to the big room, WGF is back at the left. Bring a napkin for your drool.


Lol, I thought you Were Jim.... ahaha


No prob dude, howsabout I buy YOU a drink if we're ever at the same con? You deserve to kick back a few after the masterpieces you've just produced.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 14:47:29


Post by: agustin


Any word on what diameter the base that comes with the leviathan is?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 14:53:00


Post by: Theophony


Mark responded in another thread to my same question. It is 160mm. I've looked at other base manufacturers and have not seen anything close to that size in a rounded edge base in any resins. Guess I will have to try my hand at basing again. But it's still good enough of a size to fit lots of dead space marines on


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 15:39:55


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


I like how your mind works, Theophony!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 15:58:17


Post by: judgedoug


agustin wrote:
Any word on what diameter the base that comes with the leviathan is?


It's 160mm, it's pretty goddamn big in person (over 6" in diameter).


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 16:05:47


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


Most girls would call that average, though...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 16:09:30


Post by: judgedoug


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Most girls would call that average, though...


6" in DIAMETER?!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 16:10:40


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


oh. Too boocoo then.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 16:30:57


Post by: agustin


Theophony wrote:Mark responded in another thread to my same question. It is 160mm. I've looked at other base manufacturers and have not seen anything close to that size in a rounded edge base in any resins. Guess I will have to try my hand at basing again. But it's still good enough of a size to fit lots of dead space marines on


judgedoug wrote:It's 160mm, it's pretty goddamn big in person (over 6" in diameter).


Thanks guys.

My plan is to use the Mortis (with some conversion) as a Cryx colossal for warmachine. If the hips can be repositioned, I should be able to get the feet to just fit on the 120mm base I'd need to use.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 16:45:13


Post by: Theophony


If you go to the dreamforge-games.blogspot.com site I believe a week or so ago (jan 11th) he posted the pics of the new assembly instructions. You should be able to tell if you can get the feet on a smaller base. If not, just do the base like on his mortis picture doing the stomp on a smaller war machine to help fit it on the base.

Edited for correct page and date.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 17:24:16


Post by: agustin


Thanks! Looks like ball and socket for the hips, so it'll be able to get both feet within a 120mm circle without any modification. It'll still be a tight fit, so I may end up making it striding or stomping like you suggested.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 17:43:15


Post by: shingouki


I really like the look of these kits.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/04 23:30:53


Post by: Justyn


pre-orders are up at the warstore


And the prices are about where I expected them. $22 for a basic squad (MSRP) versus the competitors $29 (MSRP) makes them a very good deal for much better looking troopers.

I can't wait for my Leviathan to arrive, and will definitely be ordering some troops to accompany him (ah the lack of funds at KS time).

More than that I can't wait for future products from Mark.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 05:04:31


Post by: Theophony


Mark, are we supposed to be getting any shipping notifications, or are our orders just going out. I would love to see tracking info if possible.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 05:16:38


Post by: NoseGoblin


Theophony wrote:
Mark, are we supposed to be getting any shipping notifications, or are our orders just going out. I would love to see tracking info if possible.


Yep, you will get a tracking number the day your order goes out.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 06:13:13


Post by: tyrant of loserville


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
oh. Too boocoo then.


too much! I surrender. All the energy I had to clean up just went out the door.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 09:10:55


Post by: Azazelx


Just hanging out waiting for my Australian tracking number here..


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 12:38:31


Post by: KalashnikovMarine


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Again, going back to older topics, but wouldn't it make sense to, maybe, explore the avenue of, if there is a second KS, offering a less in depth look at a single faction, but offering more factions?


I'd be up for this, getting a couple core units for several factions out at the same time would generate a lot of interest, especially if the Iron Core rules get run up soon.


Trying to decide what type of warmachine in a frozen waste land hell one of my Leviathans is going to be curb checking. Hmmmmm.

Speaking of the giant bases though, any one looking into transport options for these monsters? I was thinking the thick battlefoam custom pluck with a top half and a bottom half, and possibly a separate tray for arms...



DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 13:09:42


Post by: Conrad Turner


 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Again, going back to older topics, but wouldn't it make sense to, maybe, explore the avenue of, if there is a second KS, offering a less in depth look at a single faction, but offering more factions?


I'd be up for this, getting a couple core units for several factions out at the same time would generate a lot of interest, especially if the Iron Core rules get run up soon.


I feel really sorry for Mark in this area. If he releases as you suggest, a couple of core units for several factions, he lays himself open for crtiicism that the Eisernkern are his version of "Spess Mahreens" and they get all the love and the shadowkesh and others don't get forces that can field anywhere near as much. If he releases the Shadowkesh next, he'll get whined at that people were waiting on other factions and are being 'forced' to buy a faction they didn't want in order to play or wait 'ages' until their preferred faction comes out.

I hope Mark sticks to whatever plan he already had and gets to see that the people who have already backed him will see him through. Although I would prefer that he keep the releases to a single faction as that is, along with the amazing quality of his models, what will distinguish him more from GW. The only other way to have done it, in my mind at least, would have been to have had the first KS as the core troops from several factions, the second as the Leviathans and tanks from those factions. This didn't happen (Probably for the better. If the first KS had only been troops, would there have been a chance for a second? Not as much as with the Leviathans being released in the first, I'll wager!) and I think the best way forward would be to stick to single faction releases. (Despite the fact that I would probably prefer a faction other than the Shadowkesh for my next buy-in. I'll have to wait for more information - either on what the Shadowkesh can field, or on what faction will come after them.)

Before then, though, I'll probably put in another order for a 28mm Mortis, a command squad, some other specialists, and more transports to finish a well rounded Eisernkern force just to keep the money coming in for Mark.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 13:33:46


Post by: Gitkikka


$120 per levi? Hoo boy, I'm going to run out of storage space in my game room...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 13:50:28


Post by: Yonan


 Conrad Turner wrote:
Before then, though, I'll probably put in another order for a 28mm Mortis, a command squad, some other specialists, and more transports to finish a well rounded Eisernkern force just to keep the money coming in for Mark.

Heavy weapons storm troopers and APCs for me in the near future. I skipped the heavy weapons since I thought they weren't a bargain... but they look so damn awesome I'll have to pick up a few at least. The command squad I'm not so sure is necessary - didn't look like it had much over the standard troopers, especially with the accessory sprues and was far less cost effective. Those APCs are damn sweet aren't they, I just couldn't justify it with 4 leviathans at the time. Now I can ; )

Hard to say what's the best course for Mark - or for us. I'd probably pick up some units of each faction, but I'd prefer a full release like we had with Eisenkern.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 15:38:42


Post by: Theophony


I had to trim my pledge for this KS down due to other incidents, but will hopefully be supporting the Eisenkern faction for quite some time. I've never been a fan of aliens, tried eldar, orks, nids, and dark eldar. I just couldn't get into them. Besides my German ancestors is calling. Whatever mark designs I'll still wind up buying during the KS. I just hope h gives us a little time after this first wave hits before the next KS begins.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 18:14:49


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


Time will be a factor. Rules need to come out after Wave 3, so these aren't seen only as proxies for other games, and other factions.

What if he went half and half? Say one big beasty, a vehicle and 2 core infantry choices for 2 factions?

Shadokesh:
1) foot soldiers of hard hitting ranged doom (tm)
2) more ferals and handler as savage CC packs
3) some light skimmer that has many support weapon options
4) a leviathan sized quad or hexa-robot.

Russians (in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace):
1) grizzled foot soldiers complete with dog packs (two units in one box)
2) light artillery support
3) light tank or scouting tracked/half-track/walker
4) BAMF MBT

KS exclusives as stretch goals:
1) some mercenaries/independent corsairs
2) religious faction emissary/brethren.

Can you tell it's been a while I read the fluff?

Waddya think of this?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 18:15:22


Post by: Grundz


 Yonan wrote:
 Conrad Turner wrote:
Before then, though, I'll probably put in another order for a 28mm Mortis, a command squad, some other specialists, and more transports to finish a well rounded Eisernkern force just to keep the money coming in for Mark.

Heavy weapons storm troopers and APCs for me in the near future. I skipped the heavy weapons since I thought they weren't a bargain... but they look so damn awesome I'll have to pick up a few at least. The command squad I'm not so sure is necessary - didn't look like it had much over the standard troopers, especially with the accessory sprues and was far less cost effective. Those APCs are damn sweet aren't they, I just couldn't justify it with 4 leviathans at the time. Now I can ; )

Hard to say what's the best course for Mark - or for us. I'd probably pick up some units of each faction, but I'd prefer a full release like we had with Eisenkern.


yeah same here, I had to trim down, not knowing I was going to score the best job ever a month after the kickstarter and should have gotten twice as much stuff


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 20:05:30


Post by: Slayer le boucher


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Time will be a factor. Rules need to come out after Wave 3, so these aren't seen only as proxies for other games, and other factions.

What if he went half and half? Say one big beasty, a vehicle and 2 core infantry choices for 2 factions?

Shadokesh:
1) foot soldiers of hard hitting ranged doom (tm)
2) more ferals and handler as savage CC packs
3) some light skimmer that has many support weapon options
4) a leviathan sized quad or hexa-robot.

Russians (in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace):
1) grizzled foot soldiers complete with dog packs (two units in one box)
2) light artillery support
3) light tank or scouting tracked/half-track/walker
4) BAMF MBT

KS exclusives as stretch goals:
1) some mercenaries/independent corsairs
2) religious faction emissary/brethren.

Can you tell it's been a while I read the fluff?

Waddya think of this?


A bit like what Privateer Press did with Warmachine in the beginning, One caster, One Warjack and a few grunts for each factions.

And has we can see, it did work for Warmachine.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 20:07:05


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


Did you just quote yourself?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 20:59:09


Post by: catharsix


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Time will be a factor. Rules need to come out after Wave 3, so these aren't seen only as proxies for other games, and other factions.

What if he went half and half? Say one big beasty, a vehicle and 2 core infantry choices for 2 factions?

Shadokesh:
1) foot soldiers of hard hitting ranged doom (tm)
2) more ferals and handler as savage CC packs
3) some light skimmer that has many support weapon options
4) a leviathan sized quad or hexa-robot.

Russians (in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace):
1) grizzled foot soldiers complete with dog packs (two units in one box)
2) light artillery support
3) light tank or scouting tracked/half-track/walker
4) BAMF MBT

KS exclusives as stretch goals:
1) some mercenaries/independent corsairs
2) religious faction emissary/brethren.

Can you tell it's been a while I read the fluff?

Waddya think of this?


I for one welcome our new Shadokesh overlords. I’d like to remind them that as a regular poster on Dakka, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves.

In all seriousness though, I think you've got a good idea here Mathieu. Ultimately it'll be up to Mark to figure out what he wants to do, or thinks will sell, etc. I think maybe a good place to start in discussing a future KS would be to ask Mark himself how many units he thinks he can design for one single KS project. From there we could discuss if we as customers would like to see a broad range or a narrow range with depth.

So Mark, what do you think? It seems like the KS ended up including more stuff than you first expected, but how much do you think a future one might include? And do you have any thoughts on the single faction vs. multiple faction KS?

Thanks as always!

-C6


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 22:15:23


Post by: Krinsath


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Time will be a factor. Rules need to come out after Wave 3, so these aren't seen only as proxies for other games, and other factions.

What if he went half and half? Say one big beasty, a vehicle and 2 core infantry choices for 2 factions?

Shadokesh:
1) foot soldiers of hard hitting ranged doom (tm)
2) more ferals and handler as savage CC packs
3) some light skimmer that has many support weapon options
4) a leviathan sized quad or hexa-robot.

Russians (in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace):
1) grizzled foot soldiers complete with dog packs (two units in one box)
2) light artillery support
3) light tank or scouting tracked/half-track/walker
4) BAMF MBT

KS exclusives as stretch goals:
1) some mercenaries/independent corsairs
2) religious faction emissary/brethren.

Can you tell it's been a while I read the fluff?

Waddya think of this?


In a perfect world, I like it.

In a world where Mark has to deal with the limitations of being a mortal human, I would prefer his next KS focus on the Shadokesh with a teaser unit of Russians (similar to how this one went with the Shadokesh) if that list isn't feasible for him. My reasoning being that Space Germans vs. Space Russians would bring out people jeering about the game system just being "WW2 in space" instead of sci-fi.

Plus with the Shadokesh filled out, the initial rules could be built around an Eisenkern vs. Shadowkesh skirmish on one of their border worlds (yes, I'm enough of a nerd that I checked to see that they do overlap their borders). This would serve as a good backdrop a la the GW-style starters. Not that he needs to build a box set, but then it would all tidy up neatly. The Protectorate (i.e. - Space Russians), on the other hand, is on the opposite side of the map from both.

It's fun to play "what-if" until the creator comes along with his "reality" and "practical limits".


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 22:22:03


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


Or start it with one faction, like I did, start with only one infantry and one big robot available. Then stretch into another faction's infantry set, then big robot, then another faction's infantry set and big robot... to eventually get further stretches going back to the first faction, then the second, and then third... wash rinse and repeat.

Extra weapon arms/legs/pseudopods/platforms can come later, I think.

Mark... do you know, overall, how many extra arms were ordered compared to how many leviathan sets? Not exact figures, but on a one for one basis, maybe just a general ratio?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/05 23:46:28


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


My guess is the better the stuff sells outside of KS the faster, bigger and better Mark will be able to go with the next phase of his game universe

so as soon as the product hits the shops start spending!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 00:59:17


Post by: catharsix


 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
My guess is the better the stuff sells outside of KS the faster, bigger and better Mark will be able to go with the next phase of his game universe

so as soon as the product hits the shops start spending!


I don't think that will be much of a problem!

I have been saving up Paypal $$ precisely for this purpose. And since The Warstore, my favorite online retailer, is accepting pre-orders, that bodes well for everybody.

I'm really interested in seeing how well this does on shops such as The Warstore, and what that will mean for DreamForge's future. Time to put our "DremForge is awesome/GW sucks" money where our internet mouths are!

-C6


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 01:07:33


Post by: Krinsath


 catharsix wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

I'm really interested in seeing how well this does on shops such as The Warstore, and what that will mean for DreamForge's future. Time to put our "DremForge is awesome/GW sucks" money where our internet mouths are!


Can I get an exemption? I just reviewed how much I spent on the KS; it's amazing how six months or so will make you forget about obscenely large numbers...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 01:21:19


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


I'll need at least one more box of infantry, 2 sets of the ladies, and 2 more boxes of heavy weapons. And there is no way I will be basing those on 25mm bases.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 01:45:17


Post by: timd


Just rec'd an email from WGF with a tracking number and I have not ordered anything from them directly, so I'm guessing this is for the KS.

Tim,

Thank you from Wargames Factory for your recent order! This email is notification that your order has shipped.

(Note: if your order contains more than one package you will receive this email once per package.)

Your package was shipped on 02/05/2013 via U.S. Postal Service Priority Mail to the following address:


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 02:08:19


Post by: KalashnikovMarine


Yeah I could go for more Black Widows.... I have no reason for more of them, I just want bad ass minis.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 03:17:40


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


Tim, I am officially jealous.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
KM: Don't you want to do a SoB army, man? You don't need a better excuse!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 05:10:23


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


I also got a tracking number.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 05:34:46


Post by: KalashnikovMarine


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Tim, I am officially jealous.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
KM: Don't you want to do a SoB army, man? You don't need a better excuse!


...This is true! However I already have 1500 points of sisters, and these gorgeous new sculpts compared to metal sculpts that haven't changed since 40k's second edition.... I love my girls but oy vey...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 10:09:13


Post by: Sikil


Yes yes...

Bring on the Shadokesh as the next project!! Ruskies can wait abit, we need great aliens!!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 10:32:20


Post by: Yonan


The kickstarter shadokesh did look really good. I read about them a few days ago on the iron core site, they had a pretty interesting thing going.

Speaking of which, is the faction summary on the iron core page about the extent of the background for the setting, or is there more to consume?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 13:04:58


Post by: Theophony


Sad German panda has not received any email yet :(

Probably a good thing as inventory and valentines day are coming up next week.

Anybody know a good, simple to use and clean airbrush system that will still allow me to support mark more. I need to take the plunge.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 14:51:04


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


Mine is finnicky as hell, and it's not top load, but for base coats it's adequate. For camo on tanks as well. It's a Paasche VL0209. But is was relatively inexpensive. The compressor was expensive though... around 140$

I got the "stealth" model. Which is weird because it is a burnished gold colour. But it runs relatively silently. That set me back almost 400$


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 15:00:05


Post by: Theophony


I have heard the iwata series are pretty good, and they have them at the local hobby lobby. The have a weekly 40% off coupon which would make it reasonable.

Dont want to derail the thread, so if anyone has suggestions pm me please.

Checking email every few minutes for my confirmation. The waiting hurts.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 15:18:05


Post by: ski2060


No shipping notice here yet :( WGF hates Southerners!

Just kidding. I can't wait for my stuff.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 18:00:20


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


Yeah, but you'll get your stuff in a flash with no customs possibly charging you for it.

Think about the rest of us in the whole wide world... and the wait becomes even worse.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 19:39:16


Post by: Valhallan42nd


So... very... impatient...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 21:34:06


Post by: Necros


So, I just got this in my email thingy

This message was sent to you at the request of Wargames Factory to notify you that the electronic shipment information below has been transmitted to UPS. The physical package(s) may or may not have actually been tendered to UPS for shipment. To verify the actual transit status of your shipment, click on the tracking link below or contact Wargames Factory directly....




DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 21:39:18


Post by: Theophony


 Valhallan42nd wrote:
So... very... impatient...


Yes.... Yes I am.
still nothing


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 21:47:14


Post by: Gitkikka


I haz shipping email


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 22:10:47


Post by: KalashnikovMarine


*does the traditional "Oh I hope my order ships soon" dance*


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 22:11:04


Post by: Bellygrub


Got my two freebie models today. It was a bit of a surprise. I pledged for the Not Dreadknight so I wasn't expecting anything for a bit yet:



DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 22:31:56


Post by: ski2060


Congrats!

Look Mark, your babies are in the wild now! Soon we'll see some sweet sweet paint jobs I'm sure.



DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 22:58:08


Post by: Slayer le boucher


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Did you just quote yourself?


Yeah darn Quote and Edit buttons who are in opposites spots as other boards that i frequent, so when i wanted to edit the post, i used the quote button...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/06 23:22:47


Post by: Commander Cain


Well I am rather excited now!

@Mathieu, race to see which Canadian gets their goodies first!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 02:36:31


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


No offence, CommanderCain, but you're on PEI, if you get your box before me, I will be seriously mystified as YUL is literally less than 20km from my place.

I accept your challenge.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Those square indents to assemble minis look exactly like the Wyrd minis'... were those done by Wargames Factory as well?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 02:39:49


Post by: Commander Cain


^ Well a chap can only wish can't he! We also have a little snow problem at the moment that may just slow things down a bit...

Edit: That awkward moment when you are too lazy to quote someone and your post starts the next page...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 02:49:52


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


Yeah, I missed it after hitting F5, then went back to the main page and saw your name as the last poster... is it bad though that I automtically thought my 'puter was being dumb?

It's an inanimate object, fer crying out loud.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 03:02:04


Post by: agnosto


Received my UPS tracking email this afternoon; excited to see my new toy.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 03:11:42


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


I sure my package doesn't become a hostage of UPS...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 03:21:16


Post by: Yonan


For me it's a race between the Eisenkern and a Badger Krome with 80 Minitaire paints. Excited for both and pretty sure one goes with the other nicely. Now if I can decide on a scheme for the Eisenkern... German Grey is tempting but perhaps bland.

I shall sacrifice some spehs mehreens to the paint god and work on some schemes I think.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 04:05:35


Post by: Azazelx


How about pea-dot?



DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 04:44:43


Post by: RiTides


 Bellygrub wrote:
Got my two freebie models today. It was a bit of a surprise. I pledged for the Not Dreadknight so I wasn't expecting anything for a bit yet:


Sweet! Thanks for taking a pic of it, too


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 04:47:27


Post by: Theophony


 RiTides wrote:
 Bellygrub wrote:
Got my two freebie models today. It was a bit of a surprise. I pledged for the Not Dreadknight so I wasn't expecting anything for a bit yet:


Sweet! Thanks for taking a pic of it, too


Did Ada come with a base, didn't see it on the sprue, ur was it separate.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 04:49:40


Post by: BobtheInquisitor


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Those square indents to assemble minis look exactly like the Wyrd minis'... were those done by Wargames Factory as well?


That is the word on the street. But then again, word on the street was that WGF also did Mantic's Goblins, and that doesn't seem as likely anymore.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 05:25:20


Post by: NoseGoblin


 scipio.au wrote:
How about pea-dot?



+1 love the German WWII patterns


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 05:27:01


Post by: Xeno


I'm surprised no one is flipping out over the fact that the Warstore and others have these up for pre-order (eta, according to the Warstore, of 7-10 days).

$33.99 for the twenty-troop box, $27.99 for the support weapons, and $95.99 for the Leviathan!

I'm now $100 poorer. No Leviathan for me . . . yet.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 05:34:27


Post by: NoseGoblin


 Xeno wrote:
(eta, according to the Warstore, of 7-10 days).


Perhaps.... but I think that is optimistic.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
scipio.au wrote:Just hanging out waiting for my Australian tracking number here..


It was shipped from China to HK, my understanding is that they were leaving HK yesterday or today, Paul at WGF will send the tracking #'s as soon as China forwards them.

Mathieu Raymond wrote:Time will be a factor. Rules need to come out after Wave 3, so these aren't seen only as proxies for other games, and other factions.

What if he went half and half? Say one big beasty, a vehicle and 2 core infantry choices for 2 factions?

Shadokesh:
1) foot soldiers of hard hitting ranged doom (tm)
2) more ferals and handler as savage CC packs
3) some light skimmer that has many support weapon options
4) a leviathan sized quad or hexa-robot.

Russians (in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace):
1) grizzled foot soldiers complete with dog packs (two units in one box)
2) light artillery support
3) light tank or scouting tracked/half-track/walker
4) BAMF MBT

KS exclusives as stretch goals:
1) some mercenaries/independent corsairs
2) religious faction emissary/brethren.

Can you tell it's been a while I read the fluff?

Waddya think of this?


Honestly... My mind is so firmly on completing this KS that I have not given thought to much ell's. Chances are I can only release one faction and the game if I run another KS. Part of the issue is that everything takes longer that you think it should. It also helps to only work one faction at a time for esthetic's reasons.. you want the vision and the work to be as clear as possible while you build the faction... mixing two at one time may not yield the best result for either.

Bellygrub wrote: Got my two freebie models today. It was a bit of a surprise. I pledged for the Not Dreadknight so I wasn't expecting anything for a bit yet:



Can you tell me if Ada came with a base? it would have been separate from the sprue but should have been in the bag.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 07:07:33


Post by: cuda1179


I have yet to recieve my tracking info, I am so jealous.

Thinking about the Shadowkesh, I'm wondering if they might be both advanced (and psychoitc) enough to force a temporary small-scale tear in the "veil" with their weapons. Basically a small nuke using "free" energy of the universe.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 11:24:34


Post by: Scottywan82


 Bellygrub wrote:
Got my two freebie models today. It was a bit of a surprise. I pledged for the Not Dreadknight so I wasn't expecting anything for a bit yet:
Spoiler:



Whoa! The Shadokesh have rear-facing knees? Me likey.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 12:30:43


Post by: shasolenzabi


 Xeno wrote:
I'm surprised no one is flipping out over the fact that the Warstore and others have these up for pre-order (eta, according to the Warstore, of 7-10 days).

$33.99 for the twenty-troop box, $27.99 for the support weapons, and $95.99 for the Leviathan!

I'm now $100 poorer. No Leviathan for me . . . yet.


Even at warstore mark up, I seriously prefer paying 33bucks for 20 guys as opposed to GW's 10IG or worse, 5 SM. Okay, so the Heavy support weapons are about comparable, but better weapons that look cooler and the Eisenkern truppen, I paid about that for my Baneblade and Stompa, of the 2 I actually like my stompa named "Patches"


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 12:33:24


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


What is that piece on the Ada sprue next to the gun... is it a crotch piece? 0_o


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 13:21:01


Post by: RiTides


A single faction and the rules in the next KS sound great to me, Mark. I'll probably only be in for rules since I have so much of this faction, and generally limit myself to one faction per system. But, I can't wait to receive this stuff, and then to start hearing about rules!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 13:28:44


Post by: Krinsath


As much as it makes my wallet cringe to hear, I look forward to the next DFG KickStarter. Going 3 for 3! Maybe not for as much as went into this one though, since I may have gone a bit crazy.

*goes back to email vigil for tracking numbers* Soon.....


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 13:34:41


Post by: RiTides


I don't think it'll happen until after May / Wave 3 of this one ships... hopefully we'll get good advance notice of it so folks can plan.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 15:44:27


Post by: judgedoug


 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Those square indents to assemble minis look exactly like the Wyrd minis'... were those done by Wargames Factory as well?


That is the word on the street. But then again, word on the street was that WGF also did Mantic's Goblins, and that doesn't seem as likely anymore.


Ghost Studios/Wargames Factory has the contract and has been producting all of Wyrd's plastic sprues for Malifaux.

They also produced the amazing prepainted plastic ships for the Leviathans game. (They are also doing prepainted 15mm plastic infantry (had a look at these up-close at Williamsburg Muster; they are painted better than most people I know can paint))

There is literally no way Wargames Factory did Mantic's goblins. Different plastic and different tooling style. Wargames Factory uses very specific channel lines and stackable sprues.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 17:05:28


Post by: Mad4Minis


 NoseGoblin wrote:
Theophony wrote:
Mark, are we supposed to be getting any shipping notifications, or are our orders just going out. I would love to see tracking info if possible.


Yep, you will get a tracking number the day your order goes out.


Got my shipping notice yesterday...scheduled to arrive on the 12th. So excited...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 17:16:43


Post by: Hulksmash


Having my last name makes me sad. I'm last on the list or close to it!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 17:37:28


Post by: Joshh


Brick of plastic crack arrived today. My desk is now occupied with dozens on half-assembled stormtroopers.

As for future kickstarters, as long as Mark makes pretty models he will continue to receive my paychecks.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 17:50:50


Post by: BigJon


Anyone know how to check on shipping status? I backed four Leviathan's and got all the goodies, sure would like to get some word since folks are now getting there packages.

BigJon


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 18:04:40


Post by: Bolognesus


You'll get a shipping notification email when it's sent out.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 18:14:27


Post by: miniholic


Funny thing notable up to now is that only such posters with the american flag by their avatar got a notification....
...Honi qui mal y pense

When will Australians and Europeans get notified?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 18:21:33


Post by: MrMoustaffa


I'm american, and my last name starts with B, so i'm getting slightly worried.

Maybe I missed it or something, need to get on my computer and check today.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 18:28:15


Post by: Bolognesus


Uuuh, not true, actually.
I got my notification ~19H ago now - for delivery to the Netherlands.

Quite surprising - I tend to be the very last backer in any KS to get anything shipped out


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 18:31:21


Post by: Gitkikka


Maybe it's by pledge number? ETA for my stuff is the 9th.

And I'll support the hell out of the next KS, especially if it's Shadowkesh.



DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 18:32:21


Post by: Bolognesus


Nah, then I'd've gotten mine sooner. I think it's by time of completion on the pledge manager.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 18:32:26


Post by: miniholic


Thanks Bolognesus!

My fault! Mea culpa, didn't know that!
That changes the whole situation, that makes waiting far easier now!!

OT: Ma sei davero Bolognese? Sono di MIMA


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 18:32:38


Post by: Bolognesus


Either that or, of course, just entirely random


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 18:44:27


Post by: NoseGoblin


 Bolognesus wrote:
Either that or, of course, just entirely random


I think, this ^^^ I cannot contact Paul right now because he is away from Skype and at the distribution center overseeing the shipping crew. but I would imagine they are dealing with it in a "like" order scenario. This is what I would do, managing all those orders at once, I think I would group them by customers that had similar orders, i.e. customers that had 1 Leviathan and 1 Stormtrooper would be a group and I would go through all orders in that group then move to the next. (Note: this is complete conjecture)

As a note to self... I just put together the Shadokesh and handler. It is a bit of a finicky kit because we are dealing with two figure connected by a chain. I did not know how they would split the models when I delivered the CAD files. Future releases of this kind of combination will have foot tabs and holes in the base to ease with locating the correct distance between the figures and ease in assembly. I was able to do it just fine but the assembly was not as enjoyable as it could have been. Not having foot tabs also lessens the strength of the bond 'miniature to base' . An oversight on my part that I will correct in future releases.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/05/01 23:12:32


Post by: Bolognesus


I don't think the 'like' scenario is likely: someone initially reported getting a single leviathan (plus bonuses) shipped, then someone got a leviathan and a bunch of stormtroopers shipped, then I got my leviathan shipped - probably just entirely random


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 19:00:20


Post by: NoseGoblin


 Bolognesus wrote:
I don't think the 'like' scenario is likely: someone initially reported getting a single leviathan (plus bonuses) shipped, then someone got a leviathan and a bunch of stormtroopers shipped, then I got my leviathan shipped - probably just entirely random


I stand corrected... likely random then.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 19:37:02


Post by: vitki


Got my notification. Should be here tomorrow!

My last name starts with an S, so more fuel for 'Random'


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 19:48:22


Post by: Buzzsaw


Just got my notification (went "squee!", I'll admit it), and my name is in the "C"s.

And now...
Spoiler:



DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 20:39:19


Post by: Bolognesus


Mine starts with a P, so not alphabetically


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 21:08:39


Post by: SickSix


I have stayed away from this since completing the pledge process, because I didn't want to be wound up counting down the days for months on end.

But now.... I am nearly bursting with anticipation waiting to see a shipping notification!!!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 21:22:21


Post by: Krinsath


 SickSix wrote:
I have stayed away from this since completing the pledge process, because I didn't want to be wound up counting down the days for months on end.

But now.... I am nearly bursting with anticipation waiting to see a shipping notification!!!


You and me both. To make it more annoying, this email account which normally only gets five or six emails a week has been getting that many a day so there's lots of false hopes...

Soon....soon...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 21:23:35


Post by: MrMoustaffa


Literally right after I posted that worried post I got my shipping notification

So it's definitely not alphabetical, since my last name starts with B.

I don't ever remember what I ordered anymore, only that it wasn't enough


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 21:46:43


Post by: RiTides


I'm a "G", but was slow filling out the pledge manager.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 21:52:34


Post by: Azazelx


 Mad4Minis wrote:

Got my shipping notice yesterday...scheduled to arrive on the 12th. So excited...


...and I was so excited at perhaps getting my stuff at the same time as US Backers. Looks like at least another 2 weeks for us since "they have been sent" turned out to be from China to HK, with HK apparently yet to despatch... - and then a couple of weeks from HK.

So probably the same timeframe as it would have been if they were actually sent from the US. Hopefully...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 23:01:33


Post by: ski2060


Awwwwww yeahhhh boyeeeee! (cue Beastie Boys)

Got my tracking number just now! On track for delivery Feb 12th, right before my next set of off days.

Sorry to the rest of you guys waiting :( But, look at it on the bright side. You WILL be getting models soonish, and this project isn't just vaporware

Now I just have to make sure my compressor tank is working. I forgot to drain it after the last time I used it and found some damn rusty water in it yesterday :(

So as not to derail the thread, anyone know how to help repair or prevent more rust in an air compressor tank, feel free to PM me.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/07 23:33:50


Post by: NoseGoblin


 Azazelx wrote:
 Mad4Minis wrote:

Got my shipping notice yesterday...scheduled to arrive on the 12th. So excited...


...and I was so excited at perhaps getting my stuff at the same time as US Backers. Looks like at least another 2 weeks for us since "they have been sent" turned out to be from China to HK, with HK apparently yet to despatch... - and then a couple of weeks from HK.

So probably the same timeframe as it would have been if they were actually sent from the US. Hopefully...


Honestly I don't know if that will be the case or not... I am not sure how they sent the packages. or even if there is a 'priority' HK mail, although I imagine there is.

I know when I discussed it with China, we talked about getting them to you at about the same time as the US, my understanding is that is what they going to do, so that is what I communicated to all of you.

When I get a chance to speak with Wai Kee, I will try and get a clearer picture of where we are and what to expect. I do apologize for frustration. This is an issue that I am trying to get an answer on right now through a couple of communication lines.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 00:42:43


Post by: Commander Cain


Well I got my tracking number but it doesn't work when I type it in to USPS so it looks like I have to wait the old fashioned way!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 00:56:11


Post by: SickSix


HOLY CRAP!

I just found a shipping notification in my email from yesterday!

I had assumed it was for some ebay bits...

IS IT THE THE 12TH ALREADY???


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 01:03:37


Post by: vhwolf


It was a happy day today as I arrived home to a 6lb package from UPS. Titan received and WOW the kit looks great. The Packaging is awesome. I just wish I did not have a Mega Battle next week with Black Legion or I would be starting this project now.

WOW I just had to say it again.

Thanks for this


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 01:12:05


Post by: NoseGoblin


 Azazelx wrote:
 Mad4Minis wrote:

Got my shipping notice yesterday...scheduled to arrive on the 12th. So excited...


...and I was so excited at perhaps getting my stuff at the same time as US Backers. Looks like at least another 2 weeks for us since "they have been sent" turned out to be from China to HK, with HK apparently yet to despatch... - and then a couple of weeks from HK.

So probably the same timeframe as it would have been if they were actually sent from the US. Hopefully...


Unfortunately, You were correct.

Update# 89 was not a happy one.....

Your packages shipped from China to Hong Kong on the 30th. They left Hong Kong bound for the Pacific Rim countries yesterday. Paul from WGF will be sending the tracking numbers out in the next couple of days.

I just got off a call with China, and I owe all of you an apology. When we discussed shipping to Australia and the Pacific Rim we wanted to time the deliveries so that they coincided with the deliveries in the US and do something nice for a group of people that typically get late deliveries. Unfortunately whoever was looking into this aspect and the expected delivery time was in error when estimating the time in transit. What should have gone out two weeks prior was held in China under a misunderstanding of the actual time it takes to make the voyage.

Basically, we screwed up and turned what should have been a positive into a negative. It goes without saying that those affected and myself are not happy about how this turned out.
The true time in travel will be about the same as if we had shipped from the US with the main shipment being processed now. It is very frustrating that a miscommunication and oversight led to setting expectations that could not be met; I really don’t know what to say other than I apologize. If I can make it up to you with the next two phases, we will get them out the door within a few days of the container leaving for the US. I know that for those of you with just stage one deliveries this is not helpful but unfortunately there is nothing I can do to change what transpired, I can only learn from this mistake, apologize to you and make sure that we do not repeat it.

Sincerely,
Mark Mondragon
DreamForge-Games


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 01:25:13


Post by: Azazelx


I don't understand why they were held at all instead of being sent out ASAP.

Actually, I think I do unfortunately. To stop some (not all - and not the majority of Dakka posters) US backers from having a self-entitled meltdown when someone else in the world got their toys before they did..

Maybe instead of timing the next non-US shipments around US backers, just send stuff when it's actually available to ship?

Sorry Mark, I was merely disappointed earlier. Now I'm actually pissed off that our stuff was held so that US backers wouldn't get hurt feelings. Just send stuff when it's ready to go.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 01:26:27


Post by: Yonan


 NoseGoblin wrote:
It is very frustrating that a miscommunication and oversight led to setting expectations that could be met; I really don’t know what to say other than I apologize.

Miscommunication, the bane of all human endeavour. It's a shame but no bigge Mark ; ) Thanks for keeping us updated.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 01:31:30


Post by: snaggled


vhwolf wrote:
It was a happy day today as I arrived home to a 6lb package from UPS. Titan received and WOW the kit looks great. The Packaging is awesome. I just wish I did not have a Mega Battle next week with Black Legion or I would be starting this project now.

WOW I just had to say it again.

Thanks for this


Photos!!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 01:35:36


Post by: NoseGoblin


 Azazelx wrote:
I don't understand why they were held at all instead of being sent out ASAP.

Actually, I think I do unfortunately. To stop some (not all - and not the majority of Dakka posters) US backers from having a self-entitled meltdown when someone else in the world got their toys before they did..

Maybe instead of timing the next non-US shipments around US backers, just send stuff when it's actually available to ship?

Sorry Mark, I was merely disappointed earlier. Now I'm actually pissed off that our stuff was held so that US backers wouldn't get hurt feelings. Just send stuff when it's ready to go.


I hear you.... All I can do at this point is send them out when the container leaves for the US. Small consolation and a huge missed opportunity. Very frustrating to say the least.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 01:51:21


Post by: Tannhauser42


If it makes anybody feel better, I'm in Texas and have not received any email notifications yet. Then again, my shipment will be pretty big (6 boxes of stormtroopers, 6 boxes of support weapons, 1 leviathan, plus extras) so maybe they're being shipped in order of smallest package to largest?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 01:53:46


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


But at least you're being above board about it.

@ MrMoustaffa: So it's Moustaffa Ben something or other?


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 02:15:41


Post by: agnosto


 Hulksmash wrote:
Having my last name makes me sad. I'm last on the list or close to it!


I don't think that's it. My last name starts with a W and I've got my tracking #.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 02:19:45


Post by: SickSix


 agnosto wrote:
 Hulksmash wrote:
Having my last name makes me sad. I'm last on the list or close to it!


I don't think that's it. My last name starts with a W and I've got my tracking #.


My last name begins with T and I got my tracking number yesterday...


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 02:23:27


Post by: RiTides


Actually, your promptly investigating, finding out the issue, and posting an update addressing it in response to a forum poster's concerns make me even MORE impressed with Dreamforge.

It's definitely a hiccup, but your attention to backers continues to be top notch, even as you work through mistakes like that. So cheers, and keep it up


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 02:27:06


Post by: Buzzsaw


 RiTides wrote:
Actually, your promptly investigating, finding out the issue, and posting an update addressing it in response to a forum poster's concerns make me even MORE impressed with Dreamforge.

It's definitely a hiccup, but your attention to backers continues to be top notch, even as you work through mistakes like that. So cheers, and keep it up


Indeed: Mark, it's quite clear that this is not what you intended, and your continuing attention is incomparably superior to the (regrettably low) standard of post-campaign attention of other major companies.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 02:33:37


Post by: Azazelx


Yep, for all my annoyances with the situation, I do have to give Mark full credit for being open, honest and communicative. Hopefully the next batch (and forthcoming ones from future KS) can go with "when it's done" instead of "timetabled around US backers."

Perhaps just a simple line in the notes of the next KS along the lines of this:
"Due to shipping costs and logistical efficiency, orders to some locales in the world may be sent directly from our manufacturers in China rather than via the US. This may result in some backers located in some parts of the world receiving their pledge rewards before others."


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 02:38:14


Post by: RiTides


That makes sense, and you don't give us US backers enough credit. Sure, some people might be upset, but most would understand, I think.

When I shipped out the last batch of Dakka Dice, I sent out the international packages first and the US packages a week later (it was just before and then just after Thanksgiving in the US). I didn't have anyone complain, despite some international packages arriving before the first US ones, and there were more US folks ordering them.

So again, a little bit of credit here we're not all entitled/etc. And if the things are made in China, it makes sense that Aus folks might get them first. I think that will be pretty easy for folks to understand if it happens that way for Phases 2 and 3



DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 02:56:57


Post by: NoseGoblin


 Azazelx wrote:
Yep, for all my annoyances with the situation, I do have to give Mark full credit for being open, honest and communicative. Hopefully the next batch (and forthcoming ones from future KS) can go with "when it's done" instead of "timetabled around US backers."

Perhaps just a simple line in the notes of the next KS along the lines of this:
"Due to shipping costs and logistical efficiency, orders to some locales in the world may be sent directly from our manufacturers in China rather than via the US. This may result in some backers located in some parts of the world receiving their pledge rewards before others."


Agreed..... The other major change would be having much more to the 90% completion mark, even if I did not go to mold cut, having the kits all the way through sprue layout would help mitigate the delays and give me a true tooling cost going in.

Cutting molds is just machine time, the part that tends to screw up schedules is the engineering or file prep. I would like to have that done for all models, not just some, before starting the next KS.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 03:18:55


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


But then you'd feel like you have nothing to do but rake in the cash, and we doN,t want you to get lazy on us, Mark


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 03:25:51


Post by: Azazelx


 RiTides wrote:
That makes sense, and you don't give us US backers enough credit. Sure, some people might be upset, but most would understand, I think.
When I shipped out the last batch of Dakka Dice, I sent out the international packages first and the US packages a week later (it was just before and then just after Thanksgiving in the US). I didn't have anyone complain, despite some international packages arriving before the first US ones, and there were more US folks ordering them.

So again, a little bit of credit here we're not all entitled/etc. And if the things are made in China, it makes sense that Aus folks might get them first. I think that will be pretty easy for folks to understand if it happens that way for Phases 2 and 3


I'm not talking about you guys. I thought that was pretty clear. I even specified that it's not really a Dakka problem. We've all seen massive Kickstarter-comment meltdowns by this point though. Remember Zombiecide? That's what I'm getting at.

Now stop making me use so many italics.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 03:49:41


Post by: Uzumati


No tracking number yet here last name starts with W. My email account is liking all the attention though. I feel like a little kid waiting for Christmas to come.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 04:01:47


Post by: agnosto


No worries Mark, you already communicate better than Mantic and they have an entire workforce while you're a one-man operation. I'm looking forward to dumping some more of my cash on your products later and am kicking myself for not backing more when I had the chance.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 04:52:59


Post by: Yonan


 agnosto wrote:
I'm looking forward to dumping some more of my cash on your products later and am kicking myself for not backing more when I had the chance.

Yep, I've already pre ordered 3 boxes of support weapons which I had to leave out of the initial order. Thankfully they're the only item that actually seems a little cheaper than the kickstarter (with discounts) so far.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 06:38:04


Post by: KalashnikovMarine


G name here, waiting like a vulture waiting for a hiker to collapse in the Mojave


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 12:55:02


Post by: Theophony


M name here still nothing, is it bad that I'm wanting a little incompetence so that my package arrives at my door and they just forgot to send he email. I've even been checking the spam older, ho knew it could hold thousands of useless emails.

For the peopl who have received the email, who did it come from, just so I know if I will hit the spambox or m real mailbox.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 12:57:52


Post by: RiTides


Theophony wrote:
For the peopl who have received the email, who did it come from, just so I know if I will hit the spambox or m real mailbox.

Yeah I was hoping the same (that my spam filter ate it)


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 13:47:17


Post by: Gitkikka


 Commander Cain wrote:
Well I got my tracking number but it doesn't work when I type it in to USPS so it looks like I have to wait the old fashioned way!

The USPS likes to take their sweet damn time entering tracking numbers into the database for some reason. Give it a day and it will show up.

El Edit:
Theophony wrote:
For the peopl who have received the email, who did it come from, just so I know if I will hit the spambox or m real mailbox.

My email says "WGF Shipping".


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 14:02:21


Post by: scarletsquig


This thread needs more glorious sprue pics. :p


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 14:09:26


Post by: ironicsilence


 RiTides wrote:
Theophony wrote:
For the peopl who have received the email, who did it come from, just so I know if I will hit the spambox or m real mailbox.

Yeah I was hoping the same (that my spam filter ate it)


my email came directly from UPS, with no real mention of it being from WGF...I wasnt able to figure out what the hell the package I was being sent till the next day when better tracking info appears and I was told the package was coming from Utah....so I put 2 and 2 together


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 15:01:35


Post by: ski2060


My email was from UPS also. It stated that it was a package coming from WGF in the top of the email.
C'mon Tuesday!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 15:21:38


Post by: ironicsilence


ski2060 wrote:
My email was from UPS also. It stated that it was a package coming from WGF in the top of the email.
C'mon Tuesday!


"This message was sent to you at the request of Wargames Factory to notify you that the electronic shipment information below has been transmitted to UPS"

you win this round....guess I should actually read the emails I get sent

For those of you with spam filters, the email came from auto-notify@ups.com


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 15:34:33


Post by: Albino Squirrel


I got my stuff yesterday. I haven't had a chance to assemble any of it yet, but from a glance it looks really nice. No Leviathan for me, just stormtroopers, Adas, and the Feral Shadowkesh. I'm hoping to try out some weapon swaps with my Ada figures. I can probably take some sprue pictures tonight if people are interested, but there are already pictures of all the stuff that comes with the stormtroopers and upgrade sprues, so I'm not sure how useful that would be.

I'll also say that the production values are really top notch. The boxes look really nice.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 15:47:13


Post by: Salacious Greed


 Tannhauser42 wrote:
If it makes anybody feel better, I'm in Texas and have not received any email notifications yet. Then again, my shipment will be pretty big (6 boxes of stormtroopers, 6 boxes of support weapons, 1 leviathan, plus extras) so maybe they're being shipped in order of smallest package to largest?


I would have thought the opposite would be true. Send out the bigger orders, as you spent more...but I guess there's no real rhyme or reason to their mailing process


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 16:24:57


Post by: Commander Cain


 Gitkikka wrote:
 Commander Cain wrote:
Well I got my tracking number but it doesn't work when I type it in to USPS so it looks like I have to wait the old fashioned way!

The USPS likes to take their sweet damn time entering tracking numbers into the database for some reason. Give it a day and it will show up.


Huh, you are right! It seems my order is still sitting in Utah but at least I know it is out there!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 18:44:50


Post by: Mad4Minis


 Commander Cain wrote:
Well I got my tracking number but it doesn't work when I type it in to USPS so it looks like I have to wait the old fashioned way!


USPS can be slow to update, especially within the first few days of shipment. Keep trying, it will start working eventually.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 19:07:56


Post by: Alpharius


I opted for the "ship when complete" option - it will be a while for me!


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 19:10:15


Post by: Gitkikka


Speaking of which, tracking says that my shipment is in town right now - possibly lurking in my house wating for me, like Cato waiting for Inspector Clouseau...

Man, I'm punchy today.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 19:47:01


Post by: sparkywtf


Got into work today and there was a nice small box waiting for me on my desk. Glorious plastic sprues!

Time to get some pinning supplies and some good plastic cement and gonna get these guys built.

I only bought 20 stormtroopers and the APC. So these will be hopefully painted for when that shows up.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 21:16:23


Post by: miniholic


It's great to read from all the happy Pledgers already having, or getting, theirs!

But gee....it's Friday night and no mail or any communication from WGF, or DF, when they will send it out, or by what criterions at all....a real bummer! :(
Especially since it takes at least 1 week (ideal case) from the US to Europe! And when you look for preorders in online shops they write that those will be available from them from the 20th on!
Does that mean that those and the local retailers get it earlier (or at the same time) than those that pledged with Kickstarter? Now that would be gross!
Because when i count the p&p costs, as well as the import tax in they are about 12% cheaper than what i pledged for! Makes me really sad...why pledge at all....


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 21:44:58


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


Online shops say that... but we're not the 20th yet and they might be just as delayed as you. Or more. You know how it is. They have to put a date in, and sometimes some people are optimistic.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 22:10:59


Post by: Theophony


Still sad, no shipping info. but probably for the best as I have inventory at work next week and the pesky Valentine's day with the wife. She's caught on to me so I can't tell here the ADA models are hers.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 22:31:42


Post by: miniholic


 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Online shops say that...

Thanks Mathieu for trying to cheer one up!
Still some com would be welcomed.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 22:43:23


Post by: NoseGoblin


 miniholic wrote:
It's great to read from all the happy Pledgers already having, or getting, theirs!

But gee....it's Friday night and no mail or any communication from WGF, or DF, when they will send it out, or by what criterions at all....a real bummer! :(
Especially since it takes at least 1 week (ideal case) from the US to Europe! And when you look for preorders in online shops they write that those will be available from them from the 20th on!
Does that mean that those and the local retailers get it earlier (or at the same time) than those that pledged with Kickstarter? Now that would be gross!
Because when i count the p&p costs, as well as the import tax in they are about 12% cheaper than what i pledged for! Makes me really sad...why pledge at all....


Hey miniholic, they are still working on the KS orders...

Updates #86 and #87 pretty much covered everything... They are shipping and when they are done. As each customers items are shipped, they will receive a tracking number. I will post an update saying that they have completed shipping.


My only comment about the pre-orders is that they will not begin shipping the retailers kits until all KS orders have gone out the door, any estimates they make are just that, estimates. I have no idea how they are making estimates when I do not have an exact estimated completion date for the KS orders.


Edit: I thought I should add this because reading through the post you could take it as dismissive.
One of the reasons I cannot provide better, more definitive information is because I do not have access to how they developed their queue or what order they are shipping in and my contact at WGF has been a slave to the distribution side since Saturday and I have had no contact with him or any way to get in touch. I know they brought in extra staff and are working as fast as possible and I know everyone would love to see a tracking number ASAP. All I can do is urge little patients while they deal with 550+ orders.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 23:36:51


Post by: miniholic


Hey Mark, thanks for replying...
Your updates said that they start Monday (4th) and might take 7 days to 14 days and you would inform us when everthing is completed.
Same as with your reply now, thou nothing about any criteria by which they do it, so that one can put his mind at peace.
By what i guess (reading those submissions posted by other members) it might be single box orders first to get the easiest orders out fast up to those which ordered more last, as those mean much more time in picking and packaging the order.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 23:42:15


Post by: NoseGoblin


 miniholic wrote:
Hey Mark, thanks for replying...
Your updates said that they start Monday (4th) and might take 7 days to 14 days and you would inform us when everthing is completed.
Same as with your reply now, thou nothing about any criteria by which they do it, so that one can put his mind at peace.
By what i guess (reading those submissions posted by other members) it might be single box orders first to get the easiest orders out fast up to those which ordered more last, as those mean much more time in picking and packaging the order.


Hi Miniholic... I know its a rough wait. I tried to cover what I know and don't know in the 'Edit' section of my last post. To sum it up, I know as much as you do at this point Until they have completed shipping I have no way to check with Paul about any of the details or even how far along we are.... He is elbow deep in the project and not available for me to check in.


DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread @ 2013/02/08 23:44:57


Post by: Mathieu Raymond


I don't even think they did that, miniholic. People have been receiving their stuff in dribs and drabs.

My best advice is this: First get out of the water. What are you doing, swimming with sharks?

Second, I hear there are fine microbrews in Germany. Get one. Then sit down and practice your painting skills on an inferior mini (second GW works best). That way, you'll be in tip top shape to properly lavish those beauties.

Just trying some levity here, people.