Since the other thread was locked, I'll try this and see if it works. Lets discuss the firearms you own, what you use them for, and online resources that you use to enhance your shooting experience. ANYONE is welcome post in here, but please keep it on the topic. Also share any online resources that you have for purchasing equipment, or just learning about the differant aspects of firearms.
I currently own an AR-10A2. I've done a little modification to it, placing a rail on the carry handle and putting a scope on it. It has multiple magnification levels on it up to 5.7. I plan on buying a stronger scope if I get stationed out west, like Utah or Montana, where shots up to 1/4 mile on game is more common then I'm used to. I use it mostly for hunting, and sport shooting. I find the .308 round is capable of handling any game I may find myself hunting, and is still relatively cheap to get my hands on since it's a NATO round.
I also have various shotguns. My most recent purchase is a 12 gauge Remington 887 Nitromag. I bought it primarily for hunting, but it'll also act as my home defense weapon. A few 3.5" #2 shot shells that I use for Geese will make sure anyone will regret wanting to break into my home. I currently live on a military base though, so I have little concern about needing a weapon for home defense. I also have a few 20 gauges. My grandfather bought me my first firearm when I was 14. A New England Firearms single shot break action. I've used it to kill many a squirrel, and it's also dropped a doe. I haven't used it in a while since I bought a pump action, but I'm saving for my children so they can learn on it. I then bought a 500 Mossberg from my grandfather as well. That's my preferred small game shotgun. I also have another pump action 20 guage, though I'm not really sure of the brand. I don't really use it, not sure if I ever will since the Mossberg fills all my needs for the 20 gauge category. When my grandfather passed away last year he left it to me, as well as a collector .22 that I sold to purchase the Remington that I mentioned up above.
I don't own any handguns as of yet. I'd only really get them for personal defense, and living in Illinois I can't get a CCW just yet (maybe later this year they'll finally allow it), but I plan on buying a .45 ACP eventually, not sure yet exactly what brand. My supervisor owns The Judge for personal defense, and he's got me eyeing that as well. That is a nasty gun.
I'm not that saavy on the techinical side of firearms. The Air Force doesn't really promote a firearm culture all that much, I've only fired a weapon on the range 4 times in my 11 year career, and even with two deployments under my belt I've yet to be issued a weapon for real life use. And over the last 9 years I've been stationed in places that have a very anti-firearm culture so I just haven't had the oppurtunity to get out with my own and learn them the way I'd like.
Ninja Kittens-for those rapid strikes, inaccessible targets and raids. Also useful for waking people up either by setting it on them or allowing it access to the ornament shelves
Thunderpaws-large, heavy, strong cat capable of reaching hghspeeds and adept at ambushes and dog hunting. Deployed in ambush against dogs of all sizes and most people. Also used for making daring cavaly charges, blocking vital access ways such as stairs, taking the comfy chairs and destroying rations via munching
I have one rifle, one shotgun, and two pistols, both the same calibre. While I certainly hope I never have to use them to actually defend myself or my beliefs, I am a veteran, and I do have some training. Other than that, they're a good, if expensive, hobby that I enjoy. With the price of ammo, that enjoyment has been reduced considerably, but when I can, I like to get my friends together and spend a few hours at the range.
Luger P08 - Brought back from WWII by my grandfather. Unfortunately he decided that he wanted a shiny luger at some point and took a wire wheel to it to strip the bluing off, destroying most of it's value.
Chinese SKS - Brought back by dad from vietnam. Was part of an arms cache that was captured in a huge bunker complex his last week in-country.
Savage Model 30D - Cheap shotgun, but my other grandfather swore by it and carried it with him almost every day.
Model 67a "Boy's Rifle" - Classic kid's rifle. My dad learned to shoot on this one, as did I (my parent's kitchen window still has a bullet hole in it to this day as a tribute to my initial failure to grasp gun safety measures).
S&W 4" .357 Python - This was my dad's personal sidearm that he carried with him in Vietnam. It's the only weapon I keep ammo for and still shoot.
Andrew Fryberg Single Shot Shotgun - From somewhere around 1905. Pretty much just a wall hanger.
Stevens "Favorite" .22 Single Shot Lever Action Rifle - Circa 1915 or so, it's in terrible condition and has a round lodged about halfway down the barrel. Another wall hanger.
The first is an AR-15 rifle. Gas piston, with a 9 inch rail. Currently no optic, other than the front and rear flip up sights. Pretty simple rifle, I like it a lot.
I own a Mossberg 500. Threw a side saddle onto it in case I need to do more blasting than just the 8 rounds in the tube. I picked it up for $100 bucks when I used to work at the Cabela's in Phoenix, it was a good deal.
Lastly, I have a Glock 17, 3rd gen. This is my carry gun, I usually leave it in my glove box when I'm driving around to work. I'm going to start carrying it more on me when I get back home. Looking to pick up a Glock 19 for carry instead.
d-usa wrote: I like the concept of it, just don't know anyone who has any hands-on experience with them.
No personal experience.... yet, but nutnfancy has one of his trademark 45 minute plus videos up on the Gunsite Scout rifle and I think Hickok.45 gave it a positive review as well. I just got word from my trade school that my rifle build for next fall, which I'm basing on the Gunsight (but using Remington 700 short action, etc because I prefer remington action to ruger) has been approved, so I'll keep you posted.
My personal stash has shrunk a little bit, I sold my AK to take advantage of the panic buying, and sold my S&W40C because it was sitting in the safe a lot and I had decided to make my 1911 my carry.
So that leaves me with:
Marlin... model 60 Special I believe, with is a .22 rifle that's about 50 years old. My grandfather gave it to me when I turned 18. I use it for plinking and taught a couple friends and my siblings to shoot with it. I also use it as my "Camping" gun and take small game with it occasionally.
Marlin lever action 30/30 - Another solid rifle for the trail this rifle comes out of the safe for deer, varmints (coyotes) and is just fun to shoot in general
Marlin XPS in .243 - See above except for a trail gun
Rock Island 1911A1 .45ACP - My carry gun, defensive pistol and one of my favorite plinking weapons
Rossi "Chief's Special" clone .38SP - Retired carry gun and the first gun I ever bought for myself
and my forthcoming M1 Garand, which is used for "because"
Unfortunately everything's been lost in a terrible boating accident.
Any of you guys have a curio & relic license? I'm thinking about getting one but was wondering how much of a pain they are to get or if there are any hidden fees or regulations I need to know about.
Only really interesting rifle I own is a mauser that the polish converted to fire 22 rounds for training purposes. Is like a mauser in every other way though. It's so heavy you'd think you were shooting an airsoft gun with the way it eats up that recoil
I own a tremednous cat of eternal horripilation. Even the orks of my brother fear it!
Besides of that I have got an ancient riffle made here in Basel, during the time of the reformation.
It is worth a fair bunch of money but it means pretty much to me, my grandpa gave it as a gift to me when I turned 16 last year. I havent got any picture unfortunately.
Tried it out once and its actually a pretty formidable weapon.
azazel the cat wrote: I asked in the other thread before it was locked, and I'm legitimately curious as to the responses:
How does dakka store its firearms?
Dakka has its own armory? YEA BABY YEA!!!
Me myself and I, everything is locked up. And by everything I mean nothing. There were lots of things but a hole mysteriously opened up and sucked everything away Her Oberst, er officer. No that was before the gun ban Your Most Goostepedness sir.
Pistols are currently in a locked footlocker, however next week thats shifting to a locked metal cabinet. Rifles are not locked up but ammo is, except for .22LR. We also have two fast open safes-one inthe bedroom and one in the bathroom. Each, while used for storing other pistols, has a 9mm and copious ammo, or a .44MAG and multiple speedloaders. The Frazzled household is a freaking bear Free Zone Buddy! BLAM!
Now is you say how carried, thats either in purse, or IWB/OWB depending on weather.
Kilkrazy wrote: I have a Weinrauch HW45 that I used to shoot rats in the garden. I don't have a garden now, so I am thinking of selling it for a target pistol.
TBone volunteers that, although it is a step down from taking out the mighty Honey Badger, Badger Dogs will take out rats too, if given proper treat motivation.
Maelstrom808 wrote: Luger P08 - Brought back from WWII by my grandfather. Unfortunately he decided that he wanted a shiny luger at some point and took a wire wheel to it to strip the bluing off, destroying most of it's value
azazel the cat wrote: I asked in the other thread before it was locked, and I'm legitimately curious as to the responses:
How does dakka store its firearms?
In my master bedroom closet resting on the floor. All of my ammunition is on our shoe rack that's about 6' off the ground, well out of the little ones reach.
azazel the cat wrote: I asked in the other thread before it was locked, and I'm legitimately curious as to the responses:
How does dakka store its firearms?
In my master bedroom closet resting on the floor. All of my ammunition is on our shoe rack that's about 6' off the ground, well out of the little ones reach.
djones520 wrote: Oldest is 4, and coincidentally already knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is never to touch my guns without asking for permission.
With little ones I feel guns should be handled like power tools. Both are just as likely to injure or kill a young one, so teach them what they are and let them use them with supervision. Curiosity kills the cat, so take that away and teach respect.
I am amazed at how many people think kids and guns should be completely separated due to danger, but have a lethal garage that kids can easily get to.
djones520 wrote: Oldest is 4, and coincidentally already knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is never to touch my guns without asking for permission.
With little ones I feel guns should be handled like power tools. Both are just as likely to injure or kill a young one, so teach them what they are and let them use them with supervision. Curiosity kills the cat, so take that away and teach respect.
I am amazed at how many people think kids and guns should be completely separated due to danger, but have a lethal garage that kids can easily get to.
Dead on. My children will be introduced to fire arms use when I know their mature enough for it. In the meantime they're taught to stay away from them if I'm not around. The oldest knows what they do, and he can handle it (unloaded of course) when I'm present. I don't hide them from him, just make sure he's aware they are extremely dangerous when not handled properly.
I also don't have any power tools because I'd be more likely to just get myself injured with them.
azazel the cat wrote: I asked in the other thread before it was locked, and I'm legitimately curious as to the responses:
How does dakka store its firearms?
In my master bedroom closet resting on the floor. All of my ammunition is on our shoe rack that's about 6' off the ground, well out of the little ones reach.
You might put them in a lockbox of some sort just to be safe. Kids can do incredible things. By four I could scramble to the top of a 20 year old tree in about 30 seconds (I did and it was fun, especially because my crazy grandmother would follow me up). Statistcally your kids are great and respectful. What about other kids that are over? If the chance is 1 in 10,000 are you prepared for that, when the insurance policy is minimally expensive? I say this as a parent.
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kronk wrote: I have an attack cat. He's ferocious. Look at this dragon cower in fear!
My dad taught us about gun safety, proper handling, and not to use them or even touch them when he's not around.
He also kept them locked up.
Edit: When my grandfather (my mother's father) passed away, my grandmother asked him to take the guns he kept in the closet. My sister and I stayed over there for 2-3 weeks in the summer and nearly every school holiday like spring break and such. There were 3 guns: A rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol. All were fully loaded, unlocked, and in a kid's reach. I was only 12 or 13, but I still remember how pissed my father was about that.
While I appreciate people advise on my parenting, there is no present situation where my children will be home alone in such a manner that an accident like that could occur. At later ages I may feel it is necessary to provide better "security" on the items, but you can rest easy that I do have my childrens safety as my number one priority.
That being said, anyone have advise on a solid handgun for personal defense?
djones520 wrote: While I appreciate people advise on my parenting, there is no present situation where my children will be home alone in such a manner that an accident like that could occur. At later ages I may feel it is necessary to provide better "security" on the items, but you can rest easy that I do have my childrens safety as my number one priority.
That being said, anyone have advise on a solid handgun for personal defense?
djones520 wrote: While I appreciate people advise on my parenting, there is no present situation where my children will be home alone in such a manner that an accident like that could occur. At later ages I may feel it is necessary to provide better "security" on the items, but you can rest easy that I do have my childrens safety as my number one priority.
That being said, anyone have advise on a solid handgun for personal defense?
Can't go wrong with Glock or M&P pistols. If you want the smallest thing that you can still fight with, a G26 is probably your best bet. If you want to go slightly larger, G19 is pretty preferable. I carry the 26 in the summer and the 19 in the winter.
I'd recommend Springfield's XD as well, but their unwillingness to sell parts breaks the deal for me.
Check these guys out for holsters. I went through 10 holsters before I settled on one of these.
Carry, not sure of your acronyms, don't really care if it's American or not, and I'd like to stay under $500 if possible, but willing to go higher if need be.
djones520 wrote: Carry, not sure of your acronyms, don't really care if it's American or not, and I'd like to stay under $500 if possible, but willing to go higher if need be.
Good luck finding a good quality carry piece in stock at this point. I'm in the market for two new ones, one for me and one for the wife and NO ONE (even internet stores I consider reliable) have them in stock or can predict when they will be.
Your best bet is to go to a range that rents out pistols. Before you go do some research on what you may want to try, then find a range that has those models. Test fire them to see what you are comfortable with. That will probably be an expensive day but compared to paying 500 bucks for the 'wrong' gun it is worth it. A few weekends ago daughter and I spent about $75 testing two handguns (rental fees on the guns, range fee, and you had to use the range ammo).
As for me, well guns are scary. I don't know if I could ever fire one let alone own one. I fired a paintball gun once and almost wet myself I was so scared. I would worry the guns would cause a masacre!!!! (I heard they do that on The News!!!!)
djones520 wrote: Carry, not sure of your acronyms, don't really care if it's American or not, and I'd like to stay under $500 if possible, but willing to go higher if need be.
DA/SA: first trigger pull is long like a revolver, with short follow up pulls. Beretta's, Taurus's, and Sig Sauers.
SA only: Think Colt .45. Short trigger pull.
DA only: (from the factory) all trigger pulls are like a revolver pull.
More later if someone else doesn't fill as I have to boogie.
I own loads of guns; heavy bolters, bolters, lascannons, auto-reaper cannons, battle cannons. I had to assemble and paint them my self and I use them for destroying dastardly loyalist Space Marines.
Maelstrom808 wrote: Luger P08 - Brought back from WWII by my grandfather. Unfortunately he decided that he wanted a shiny luger at some point and took a wire wheel to it to strip the bluing off, destroying most of it's value
Can't you have it re-blued?
I could. The SKS and Model 30 have both been re-blued and all the wood restored and lacquered. The guy that did those was an amazing gunsmith and they turned out absolutely gorgeous, but unfortunately he passed away a couple years ago. I knew him through my dad, and don't really know any others that I would trust with my stuff. I also don't really have the spare cash at the moment. On top of all that, re-blued generally won't bring what original bluing will (it'd still be worth more than it is now though). I'll probably do it at some point, but short of me being homeless, the sentimental value of the guns pretty well means I'm never selling them so I'm in no hurry.
AustonT wrote: A re blued historic firearm is just as de valued as a wire wheeled one. The browned patina is actually a desirable feature of collectible guns.
Absolutely, but he didn't actually do the greatest job with the wire wheel, so there is plenty of bluing still in corners and crevices. In the long run it's the difference between a gun whose's historical value is destroyed, and a gun whose historical value is destroyed, but actually looks good.
djones520 wrote: Carry, not sure of your acronyms, don't really care if it's American or not, and I'd like to stay under $500 if possible, but willing to go higher if need be.
I'll stake my life on my Rock Island armory 1911. They have them for $450 and under here:
djones520 wrote: Well lets try to keep it from going down that tangent.
Have you got any? I'm not 100% on Canada's laws but I know you can have them. My father owns 3 or 4 and he lives in B.C.
No I don't have any but I've fired a BB gun and .22 rifle before, don't really find it that exciting to be honest looks a lot more fun in the movies than it is in real-life.
djones520 wrote: DA/SA sounds like a good one. Makes sure your ready to pull that first shot, and after that... well your already committed.
The one caveat is that DA/SA triggers are a lot harder to master than same-pull-every-time triggers like Glocks, M&Ps, Heckler & Koch LEM models, and SIg's DAK guns.
I wouldn't buy anything right now, prices are ridiculous. Not that you'd find anything to buy, anyway.
When it all settles down, my recommendation, as always, would be for a Glock or M&P, especially in the given price range.
I'm looking at a year or two down the road. I can't get a CCW at the moment, so there is no point since I have plenty for home defense. It'll probably be when I get to my next station.
Though living 5 miles from E. St. Louis I'd certainly feel more comfortable at times being allowed to carry a handgun when I've gotta go out.
djones520 wrote: Carry, not sure of your acronyms, don't really care if it's American or not, and I'd like to stay under $500 if possible, but willing to go higher if need be.
I'll stake my life on my Rock Island armory 1911. They have them for $450 and under here:
djones520 wrote: Carry, not sure of your acronyms, don't really care if it's American or not, and I'd like to stay under $500 if possible, but willing to go higher if need be.
I'll stake my life on my Rock Island armory 1911. They have them for $450 and under here:
djones520 wrote: I'm looking at a year or two down the road. I can't get a CCW at the moment, so there is no point since I have plenty for home defense. It'll probably be when I get to my next station.
Though living 5 miles from E. St. Louis I'd certainly feel more comfortable at times being allowed to carry a handgun when I've gotta go out.
djones520 wrote: I'm looking at a year or two down the road. I can't get a CCW at the moment, so there is no point since I have plenty for home defense. It'll probably be when I get to my next station.
Though living 5 miles from E. St. Louis I'd certainly feel more comfortable at times being allowed to carry a handgun when I've gotta go out.
Just don't go THERE.
If I have to go thru Illinois, I'd head up to Alton, THEN head over to where I need to go...
I've never actually been into E. St. Louis, but a lot of that crap has been spilling into Belleville over the last couple of years. Thankfully I never have to go west of downtown Belleville. The eastern side is still pretty safe.
djones520 wrote: I've never actually been into E. St. Louis, but a lot of that crap has been spilling into Belleville over the last couple of years. Thankfully I never have to go west of downtown Belleville. The eastern side is still pretty safe.
I know what you mean... I've got family in Belleville... avoidance is usually the best policy. *shrugs*
For those who don't know... this isn't a bad representation.
And then... they lose their tires as their wagon is on cinder blocks.
djones520 wrote: DA/SA sounds like a good one. Makes sure your ready to pull that first shot, and after that... well your already committed.
The one caveat is that DA/SA triggers are a lot harder to master than same-pull-every-time triggers like Glocks, M&Ps, Heckler & Koch LEM models, and SIg's DAK guns.
I wouldn't buy anything right now, prices are ridiculous. Not that you'd find anything to buy, anyway.
When it all settles down, my recommendation, as always, would be for a Glock or M&P, especially in the given price range.
Agreed. Now some are better than others. The Wife's Beretta Storm - aka Big Baby - has a very nice DA pull and the transition to SA is excellent. However, our FS-92's DA is horrible.
My M&Pc has a stiff pull at 6.5lb, but its smooth now. In contrast the full size M&P has a tweaked 3.5lb pull which is akin to an SA pull.
Its best to try them out. I'd wait about six months or so before contemplating a purchase. This gives you time to rent a few and try them out.
djones520 wrote: DA/SA sounds like a good one. Makes sure your ready to pull that first shot, and after that... well your already committed.
The one caveat is that DA/SA triggers are a lot harder to master than same-pull-every-time triggers like Glocks, M&Ps, Heckler & Koch LEM models, and SIg's DAK guns.
I wouldn't buy anything right now, prices are ridiculous. Not that you'd find anything to buy, anyway.
When it all settles down, my recommendation, as always, would be for a Glock or M&P, especially in the given price range.
, our FS-92's DA is horrible.
The problem with your FS-92 is that it's a Beretta. I have no idea about the storm or any newer models, but every M-9 or 92 series pistol I've handled is uniformly ass.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: The problem with your FS-92 is that it's a Beretta. I have no idea about the storm or any newer models, but every M-9 or 92 series pistol I've handled is uniformly ass.
Really? I've always had good luck with them. The 92 in any of its iterations isn't a gun I'd choose to carry, because other stuff fits me better, but they're accurate and reliable. They get a lot of hate for reasons that I've still not figured out.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: The problem with your FS-92 is that it's a Beretta. I have no idea about the storm or any newer models, but every M-9 or 92 series pistol I've handled is uniformly ass.
Really? I've always had good luck with them. The 92 in any of its iterations isn't a gun I'd choose to carry, because other stuff fits me better, but they're accurate and reliable. They get a lot of hate for reasons that I've still not figured out.
Every. Single. One. Gak trigger, jamming, gakky sights, and they recoil like your grandmother finding a mouse in her knitting bag. I thought it was just Marine Corps 92s/M-9s but I've fired some virgin ones now, still garbage. Apparently they have issues with slides blowing up too... I don't remember where I heard it but apparently SEALs had issues with that leading to the running cadence line "You think you a Navy SEAL? Not till you eat some italian steel"
I never had a problem with the 92 either. Nor do I know anyone who has. And ours were plenty accurate. I used to nail targets at 50 yards with the one I carried. I dont own one cause I dont like how they fit my hand.
AustonT wrote: A re blued historic firearm is just as de valued as a wire wheeled one. The browned patina is actually a desirable feature of collectible guns.
What about if you re-brown the gun?
I mean, real life historical owners had to refurbish their weapons sometimes. That usually involved browning the metal and polishing or varnishing the woodwork.
AustonT wrote: A re blued historic firearm is just as de valued as a wire wheeled one. The browned patina is actually a desirable feature of collectible guns.
What about if you re-brown the gun?
I mean, real life historical owners had to refurbish their weapons sometimes. That usually involved browning the metal and polishing or varnishing the woodwork.
For a historical collector the original finish and the signs of aging are part of the value. Personally I'd suggest finding a solid gunsmith in your local area and having it reblued. It's not mint, but it's still an original luger and a valuable collector's piece.
Back in Berettas I looked up my own gunshop gossip and found the origin of the little ditty I posted above.
Turns out three NSW members did take some Beretta slide to the face but that was worked out before the FS model ever existed. *shrugs* I dunno maybe it's just bias from a couple bad experiences but 92s will forever be gak guns in my mind.
On another fun topic I found this gem floating around
Carrying a M1911 variant cocked and locked, unless it has a firing pin block safety is INSANITY. Hundreds of owners, some with bullet holes in their faces, know how treacherous this gun can be when dropped for when it breaks into full automatic fire. The disproportionately high recoil moment (made worse by light allow frames) also prevents follow on shot accuracy.
It's no joke that you can tell a Marine Gunny by X-Raying the bones of his wrist. They are typically fused from firing too many rounds with .45 caliber pistols (in the old days). Today's soldier is as likely to be a 100 pound woman, instead of a 200 pound six footer and will not typically have their wrist bones fused and won't be able to properly use (shoot accurately) an oversized pistol. That goes particularly for those stupidly designed double row .45 designs.
There's so much wrong here I don't know where to start, I've drop tested my Rock Island 1911A1 with a round in the chamber and on an empty chamber and it barely twitched. I've NEVER heard of a 1911 doing a mag dump, and I've always found the recoil on a 1911 to be light and easily manageable with good follow through accuracy (and a lot of people agree with me since they are common competition pistols) I also can't say I've ever felt a 1911 was over sized in any way or that .45 rounds produced a ton of kick. Hell a 1911's grips feel slimmer in the hand to me then say a Glock, it's part of the reason I prefer it. Finally every cop and CCP I know who carries the 1911 carries it at condition one (locked and cocked) and they carry with confidence. I do too for that matter.
Any one got any experience to back up any of that?
I've only shot two 1911s and they both have had frequent FTEs. I've heard that they have lots of issues, but maybe that is just the hip thing to say in my circle of friends.
d-usa wrote: I've only shot two 1911s and they both have had frequent FTEs. I've heard that they have lots of issues, but maybe that is just the hip thing to say in my circle of friends.
Depends on the 1911 I guess. I've never had a malfunction with mine and I've torture tested it with a 500 round brick of Russian steel case .45, if that won't gak up the function nothing will.
djones520 wrote:Well lets try to keep it from going down that tangent.
Have you got any? I'm not 100% on Canada's laws but I know you can have them. My father owns 3 or 4 and he lives in B.C.
You have to take a firearms safety course and pass a test that only a complete imbecile could fail. Then you apply for a possession & acquisition license, which takes about 30 days and will include a background check. Then you are able to purchase restricted (handguns, single action or semi-auto) and non-restricted (long-barrels, no full auto, mag size restricted for center-fire) firearms. Full-auto is prohibited, and we have regulations about barrel and overall length as well.
Firearms must be stored behind 2 locks (trigger lock, gun safe, gun room, etc) or have their important pieces be disassembled. They may not be loaded while stored.
There are a few very specific nuances about the storage and definitions (what constitutes a gun safe, for example), but this is generally the meat of the Canadian laws. Transport can be complicated, though.
Generally speaking, even though our laws seem repressive by comparison, in reality they really are not. There is no justifiable reason to ever need a Mac-10 or a sawed-off shotgun other than crime, and we really only restrict full-auto and home brew modifications.
Generally speaking, even though our laws seem repressive by comparison, in reality they really are not. There is no justifiable reason to ever need a Mac-10 or a sawed-off shotgun other than crime, and we really only restrict full-auto and home brew modifications.
Spoken like a man who's never had the exquisite pleasure of going to a machine gun shoot
AustonT wrote: A re blued historic firearm is just as de valued as a wire wheeled one. The browned patina is actually a desirable feature of collectible guns.
What about if you re-brown the gun?
I mean, real life historical owners had to refurbish their weapons sometimes. That usually involved browning the metal and polishing or varnishing the woodwork.
There's actually two things here. Browning or Field Browning is similar to bluing in that it is a protective finish. A discerning buyer will know the difference between a gun that has been browned and a blued gun that has browned over time. TBH I don't know why bluing browns, I suspect it has to do with the rust bluinng process.
In any event any restoration of any kind destroys original condition which is typically the most valuable. Original restored functional and restored museum quality fall below that and then there's just the various old but not particularly valuable besides looks and function.
Perhaps the one exception tha you may have been referring to is say a Brown Bess that was carried for a hundred years and periodically refurbished at the Tower Armory for example. The work would be accompanied by a stamp indicating the work that had been done and where and contributes to the value.
Never used a beretta, but I have a friend in the JROTC in college who has used them, and she hates them. Says they're terrible. Listed many of the reasons guys above did. Up until she told me though, I had never heard anyone complain.
As for the 1911's, everybody and their mom makes a variant on that design it seems, and I bet thats a bigger source of the problems than the main design itself. Every time I've asked about one the guy who has experience with them said that quality can vary wildly between brands. Only real consistant thing I've heard is to go for "G.I." ones, and avoid the overly fancy "tactical" ones. What exactly that means I'm not sure, but I guess they're saying that the ones that are kept simple work much better than the ones where somebody is trying to fix something that was never broken?
I've put well over 1000 rounds through Army Berettas and never had any problem. It was one of the easiest weapons to shoot 'expert' with. I'm actually considering a Beretta Nano as a carry weapon.
Once while running the 9mm range one of the staff guys who 'knew what he was doing and didn't need any help' held his M9 wrong and the slide cut his thumb REALLY nicely. Multiple stiches for him. I laughed.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: The problem with your FS-92 is that it's a Beretta. I have no idea about the storm or any newer models, but every M-9 or 92 series pistol I've handled is uniformly ass.
Really? I've always had good luck with them. The 92 in any of its iterations isn't a gun I'd choose to carry, because other stuff fits me better, but they're accurate and reliable. They get a lot of hate for reasons that I've still not figured out.
Every. Single. One. Gak trigger, jamming, gakky sights, and they recoil like your grandmother finding a mouse in her knitting bag. I thought it was just Marine Corps 92s/M-9s but I've fired some virgin ones now, still garbage. Apparently they have issues with slides blowing up too... I don't remember where I heard it but apparently SEALs had issues with that leading to the running cadence line "You think you a Navy SEAL? Not till you eat some italian steel"
Don't know about yours. I’ve heard a lot of service guys didn’t like them, especially as they got more beat up. Mine: Recoil: negligible. My daughter loves it and first started loving shooting it at 8. Jamming: With about 8,000 round shooting it, its never FTF or FTE'd, nothing nada. Its as reliable as Texas is big. Seriously, this is the pistol I have in the bathroom safe. Its the Alamo gun for the Wife to use and she's lethally good with it. Sights: original sights were about 2 inches low at 15 yards, and the original beads are not big. Thats ok as I put an adjustable sight on it, but I'll give you this one. Trigger: from factory the DA pull is like 14 lbs, and the SA pull was about 7. I put a D spring in it and the SA pull is about 4 lbs. I'm not keen on the actual trigger face. I never shoot DA and never intended to, so that wasn't an issue until I started IDPA. Cleaning: Its without a doubt the easiest of all of my pistols to tear down and clean. The Beretta Storm is more of a pain in the ass with the rotating barrel (but man recoil is light on that one). OT but I think I am the only person on the planet who liked the original 1911 takedown procedure. I hate the new captured springs, and the need for a retainer of some sort for many new 1911 pistols. Accuracy: for fun I would shoot this at 7 yards and hit nickel sized targets freehand. Usually did this when some tacticool jerk showed up nearby and started to play mall ninja. The only thing more accurate I had outside of a .22 is an old model 29 handcannon with a 7inch barrel.
Now to get the M&P up to speed I had to: 1. Get a trigger job done. Now I knew this going in, and the M&Pc I've left alone. After about a thousand rounds the rough it, it was fine but still a pretty heavy release, so Burwell here we come. 2. Adjustable sights. 3. Front sight. Had to get a larger front sight because of the height of the adjustable sight, which also meant I had to get a new holster. On the positive I have a fiber optic sight now. 4. Competition barrel. The pistol as arrived had crap accuracy. Having had S&Ws before I was shocked. I was further shocked when the M&Pc which I bought later, was substantially more accurate, and in line with what I expected. Drop a KKM barrel in it and presto: quarter inch group at 7 yards dead on. Finally as good as the Beretta.
As for the 1911's, everybody and their mom makes a variant on that design it seems, and I bet thats a bigger source of the problems than the main design itself. Every time I've asked about one the guy who has experience with them said that quality can vary wildly between brands. Only real consistant thing I've heard is to go for "G.I." ones, and avoid the overly fancy "tactical" ones. What exactly that means I'm not sure, but I guess they're saying that the ones that are kept simple work much better than the ones where somebody is trying to fix something that was never broken?
That's basically it. There's a variety of mods made to the basic 1911 design, a lot of them enhance functionality.... others don't. Probably the most infamous in my circle of gun nuts are double stack 1911s of any variety but Paraordnance in particular. Other brands reliably bite, while it's usually the people that have been making them for most of their service life that have the formula down to a science. Colt for example. I've never heard of an issue with their 1911s, and they are priced accordingly. Kimber on the other hand is a boutique 1911 that costs a bundle, but they tend to be safe queens and require a lot of care and maintenance, a cop friend of mine also notes that on many forces a Kimber 1911 is a status symbol for officers (in the lieutenant sense).
GI in this case can also refer to MIL-SPEC weapons which especially with 1911s can be a very important distinction to make, both with the functionality of the weapon and sourcing parts for it, like say a match grade barrel. Tactical can yet again refer to the compact/commander/officer length 1911s which also tend not to work as well as the full size. Something to do with the spring as I recall.
All of the above are actually why I push Rock Island's 1911s. They're Colt clones made on Colt machines that got ditched in the Philippines as the Japanese invaded. They're MilSpec on their parts and tolerances so they make a great base for a project gun (which is what I'm doing with mine, dropping a match barrel, extended safety, doing a trigger job and upgrading my sights) and are over all a solid entry level 1911. For best results toss the magazine that comes with it and buy yourself some Chip McCormick mags, (the power mags are great and go for around $25 a mag, but I have a pair of the "Shooting Star" which are around $16 on Midway USA and they work flawlessly.) break the pistol in with around 100-200 rounds and clean it thoroughly. (Pay attention on reassembly, you don't want "newb scratch")
Frazzled, Jake I'm glad you guys have had good experiences with your Berettas. I think I'll just leave'em as not for me though. If I really need a 9mm in my life I'll grab a police trade in Glock
For the record, this is the only acceptable way to do a double stack 1911
Frazzled wrote: [
DA/SA: first trigger pull is long like a revolver, with short follow up pulls. Beretta's, Taurus's, and Sig Sauers.
SA only: Think Colt .45. Short trigger pull.
DA only: (from the factory) all trigger pulls are like a revolver pull.
More later if someone else doesn't fill as I have to boogie.
Little more clarification, SA pistols require you to cock the hammer in order to fire them. On semi-auto pistols, the slide will cock the hammer as it moves back to eject the shell, allowing for follow up shots without the shooter having to cock the hammer. On SA revolvers, the hammer must be manually pulled back after each shot to recock the hammer and index the cylinder. A DA pistol starts with hammer in the uncocked position and is cocked by the pulling the trigger until it releases and fires. DAs will have a long, heavy trigger pull, but is consistent shot to shot. DA/SA acts like DA for the first shot and SA for each subsequent shot. DA/SA is only available in semi-autos and some people feel they are safer than SA or striker fired pistols because you don't have to carry them around cocked.
Striker fired is some where in between DA/SA and pure DA pistols. The slide must be racked in order to cock them, so they are always cocked unless fired. They don't have any sort of exposed hammer and tend to have less trigger pull than a DA but more than an SA. Glocks are striker fired.
I personally like the DA/SA because I hate long trigger pulls (I shot rifles the majority of the time) and I think they are a bit safer than pure SA.
djones520 wrote: In my master bedroom closet resting on the floor. All of my ammunition is on our shoe rack that's about 6' off the ground, well out of the little ones reach.
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Oldest is 4, and coincidentally already knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is never to touch my guns without asking for permission.
I don't mean to be a jerk and tell you your business. But my dad was pretty scary: also in the air force. And I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that I was never supposed to touch his Stanley knife ever! (like under pain of death). Yet I still have a big scar on my hand proving that kids don't always do as they are told. I was 6 when I got the scar. The knife that gave it to me was kept in a locked draw, which was itself in a locked room. I figured I knew what I was doing, and my dad would never find out anyway... Only he did because I near sliced off half my finger.
My point is you should not underestimate the ingenuity of your children, especially when it comes to getting at things they are not supposed to. You also probably shouldn't trust them to keep themselves safe by making good decisions. Kids have a natural tenancy to make bad decisions and kill themselves. That's why nature invented parents: to make decisions for them and hopefully keep them alive.
It's worth thinking about. You can never be too careful.
The 92 is trash in my opinion. Too big, too heavy, not very ergonomic. If it was such a good pistol, cops would carry them as well. Guess what, cops carry Glock, H&K and a myriad of other brands and models. I personally like FN.
Cops do carry the 92 and 96, quite a few of them. They are in fact one of the most common of the "myriad of models" cops carry. Far more frequently found than HKs, but hey let's. OT let reality get in the way of a good rant. And what department DOESN'T love a service pistol that costs $400 and can be carried loaded.
As for the 1911's, everybody and their mom makes a variant on that design it seems, and I bet thats a bigger source of the problems than the main design itself. Every time I've asked about one the guy who has experience with them said that quality can vary wildly between brands. Only real consistant thing I've heard is to go for "G.I." ones, and avoid the overly fancy "tactical" ones. What exactly that means I'm not sure, but I guess they're saying that the ones that are kept simple work much better than the ones where somebody is trying to fix something that was never broken?
That's basically it. There's a variety of mods made to the basic 1911 design, a lot of them enhance functionality.... others don't. Probably the most infamous in my circle of gun nuts are double stack 1911s of any variety but Paraordnance in particular. Other brands reliably bite, while it's usually the people that have been making them for most of their service life that have the formula down to a science. Colt for example. I've never heard of an issue with their 1911s, and they are priced accordingly. Kimber on the other hand is a boutique 1911 that costs a bundle, but they tend to be safe queens and require a lot of care and maintenance, a cop friend of mine also notes that on many forces a Kimber 1911 is a status symbol for officers (in the lieutenant sense).
GI in this case can also refer to MIL-SPEC weapons which especially with 1911s can be a very important distinction to make, both with the functionality of the weapon and sourcing parts for it, like say a match grade barrel. Tactical can yet again refer to the compact/commander/officer length 1911s which also tend not to work as well as the full size. Something to do with the spring as I recall.
All of the above are actually why I push Rock Island's 1911s. They're Colt clones made on Colt machines that got ditched in the Philippines as the Japanese invaded. They're MilSpec on their parts and tolerances so they make a great base for a project gun (which is what I'm doing with mine, dropping a match barrel, extended safety, doing a trigger job and upgrading my sights) and are over all a solid entry level 1911. For best results toss the magazine that comes with it and buy yourself some Chip McCormick mags, (the power mags are great and go for around $25 a mag, but I have a pair of the "Shooting Star" which are around $16 on Midway USA and they work flawlessly.) break the pistol in with around 100-200 rounds and clean it thoroughly. (Pay attention on reassembly, you don't want "newb scratch")
Frazzled, Jake I'm glad you guys have had good experiences with your Berettas. I think I'll just leave'em as not for me though. If I really need a 9mm in my life I'll grab a police trade in Glock
For the record, this is the only acceptable way to do a double stack 1911
In my younger days, if you bought a Colt, for it to be reliable at all, you had to immediately take it to a smith to smooth the feedramp, throat the barrel, checked to make sure everything actually fit, and put actual sights on the thing.
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Barfolomew wrote: The 92 is trash in my opinion. Too big, too heavy, not very ergonomic. If it was such a good pistol, cops would carry them as well. Guess what, cops carry Glock, H&K and a myriad of other brands and models. I personally like FN.
Cops carry plenty of 92s and Sig 226s. Glock has an excellent marketing campaign to police, and glocks are generally lighter. Doesn't mean they are better (especially with the problems Gen 4 has been having). But if you like those, good for you. Its all about what you like.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, STI makes excellent double column 1911s. I've seen them in action. They are scary good. Of course they are also scary expensive.
AustonT wrote: Guns scare me. I don't own them and niether should you.
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I see what you did there. You've been conditioned via your military training to tell private citizens not to own guns! Well played, fascist. Well Played.
First they came for the guns, but no one said anything.
Then they came for the attack cats, but no one said anything.
Then they came for the Warhammer 40k models, and gak got real!
I was actually considering getting a gun with my tax refund this year, mainly for the irony, and was considering a simple revolver like a .38. I want bigger than a .22, but have no desire for a .44. I've shot .44 in the past, and that's more than I need.
My guns are mainly for collecting seeing as though they are mainly Mosin Nagants of different styles and eras. So far we have the basic 19/30 with and without hexagonal receiver, a carbine with rounded receiver, and a Sniper model including the scope. I wish to get my hands on an Ex-dragoon model though. Most of these are too large to fit into our gun safe, except for the carbine which is shorter, so to remedy the situation their bolts were removed and placed into the safe.
My SKS and two nagant revolvers currently reside in the gun safe as well.
I do enjoy shooting at circles on paper targets though.
Cuurently, we own a Remington R1 1911, it stays at home for defense... I've got my eye on the Walther PPK in. 380 as a CC pistol, so hopefully once i move and settle again, we'll pick one up.
@ halonachos: Sounds like you need a bigger safe. Son2's Mosin fits in mine (holding it while he is in college) as long as thebayonet isn't attached.
My non-smart ass answer to the topic:
My current favorite toy is a Colt rimfire/.22 that looks just like an M4. Cheap to fire and a ton of fun. I have a bunch of 'high capacity' magizines for it that just make blowing holes in things a joy.
I also have a few other full caliber black guns to include a HK91. A few wood stock rifles, from .22 to .308. A couple shotguns to include a Mossberg 500T with M4 style stock that is the go to gun. A few handguns of various flavors (all semi-automatic).
Most are kept in a gun safe. Most are used for target shooting and varmint capping. Mr Cottonmouth is NOT welcome by the horse troughs and copperheads are not welcome in the front yard for example, dangerous to dogs and kids. The copperhead that decided to hang out under the horse trailer was an interesting critter too seeing as we generally tie the horses to the side of the trailer to saddle them up. I haven't hunted for food recently but have hunted. Wife and I both maintain conceal carry permits.
AustonT wrote: A re blued historic firearm is just as de valued as a wire wheeled one. The browned patina is actually a desirable feature of collectible guns.
What about if you re-brown the gun?
I mean, real life historical owners had to refurbish their weapons sometimes. That usually involved browning the metal and polishing or varnishing the woodwork.
There's actually two things here. Browning or Field Browning is similar to bluing in that it is a protective finish. A discerning buyer will know the difference between a gun that has been browned and a blued gun that has browned over time. TBH I don't know why bluing browns, I suspect it has to do with the rust bluinng process.
In any event any restoration of any kind destroys original condition which is typically the most valuable. Original restored functional and restored museum quality fall below that and then there's just the various old but not particularly valuable besides looks and function.
Perhaps the one exception tha you may have been referring to is say a Brown Bess that was carried for a hundred years and periodically refurbished at the Tower Armory for example. The work would be accompanied by a stamp indicating the work that had been done and where and contributes to the value.
This. Your highest value will be an item that is 100% original in every way, and has been meticulously maintained. With good maintenance and little to no use, you theoretically should never need to do any sort of restoration. That tends to be unrealistic over 50, 100, 150 years and many owners. My Luger has been well maintained in general and is in great shape aside from the finish. It feels like a damn swiss watch compared to some of the other brutes I have. Unfortunately that original finish (rather lack thereof) is a big deal.
Frazzled wrote:Get a .357. It will shoot 38s too, but with less recoil.
Barfolomew wrote: The 92 is trash in my opinion. Too big, too heavy, not very ergonomic. If it was such a good pistol, cops would carry them as well. Guess what, cops carry Glock, H&K and a myriad of other brands and models. I personally like FN.
Cops carry what they're issued. Cops are frequently issued Glocks because police departments get them for damn near free.
Has anyone had problem getting ammo? The guys at work have been bitching about it, but we live in Houston, which has a high redneck ammo hoarding syndrome population density.
Has anyone had problem getting ammo? The guys at work have been bitching about it, but we live in Houston, which has a high redneck ammo hoarding syndrome population density.
The ranges around me are rationing even their overpriced target ammo to one box per visit.
I don't think there's a box of 9mm defensive ammo left in my state.
Has anyone had problem getting ammo? The guys at work have been bitching about it, but we live in Houston, which has a high redneck ammo hoarding syndrome population density.
If by problem you mean there's literally nothing available...anywhere then you betcha.
I managed to sneak in and receive 4 bricks of Remington .22 and supposedly 6 bricks of Federal .22s are on their way, but I'm backordered (and officially delayed at least once) on 4,500 rounds, and am waiting status on another 5,000 scheduled in May. I didn't expect the freakout to hit .22s and so fast so was caught flatfooted. At the last IDPA match we almost had a group cry because even the reloaders couldn't find primers now.
But there's nothing, and I mean nothing out there. I figure it will ease up in about 6 months, unless the Dmocrats drag out the Senate crying game for a few months, then add that time too.
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AustonT wrote: Give Southwest Ammo a call I think they are in your neck of the woods too. It's also a pretty well kept secret.
Like everybody else, we are experiencing unprecedented demand at this time. We do have tons of components inbound, and are loading ammo late into the nights and over the weekends. As a small company, we are flexible, and will continue to offer 556, 308, and 300 BLK despite all the hysteria.
All orders are subject to a 7-10 working delay, and some items have a listed longer delay. We are swamped, but ammo is shipping.
Merry Christmas,
Southwest Ammunition
PBR's website:
PBR would like to update all of its customers as to our policies and procedures going forward during this time of high ammunition demand. As of Friday, 1/25/2013, we have almost no stock listed on the website because our shelves are now officially bare. For those of you who have orders in with us, we continue to work to fill them first and are on schedule per our earlier update you. Going forward, here are our policies concerning ammunition sales.
•Only backorders of ammunition are being accepted as of today (1/23/2013)
•Backorders may only be placed through email by sending us the item name and the quantity (ex. 5 boxes, PV-9MM-115-FMJ)
•Backorders will be filled in the order they were received and delivery is at least 6-8 weeks
•Prices will be determined at the time of sale and will reflect the component cost for the lot of ammunition being sold
•After filling all backorders for an item, excess stock will be listed on the website for sale
•The website reflects our current inventory; we really are out of stock on almost everything
We know that many people selling ammunition are raising their prices significantly right now and while that may work with their business model, it is not compatible with ours. Our business has been built on repeat customers and charging a customer $1 per round of 223 does nothing to build a relationship for future sales. We do not feel that a one-time profit today is worth losing many, many more sales in the future.
So far I own a Winchester 30 -30, a 12 gauge double barrel shotgun, a Winchester .22 Riffle, and a Winchester 30 - 06 long barrel. All four guns have been in the family for at least three generations now and the 30 -30 has dropped more moose then its age. All of them are used for hunting
7-10 working days isn't half bad. Or was that weeks?
Thier match ammo is relatively comparable to FGMM by most accounts, and the naysayers are probably tools.
what about HSM?
Ammo's been a bear to get around here. I got some of the last .30-30 at and one of the last bricks of .22 at Sportsman's Warehouse the day of the panic really setting in and haven't seen a box since.
azazel the cat wrote: It sounds like the gun manufacturers' advertising campaign has been working very well, then.
Put away that tin foil man!
No! The tin foil would be that Obama's only making a fuss at the gun manufacturer's behest, and is getting kick backs for giving them a reason to set off a panic, even though no restrictions of a meaningful nature will be made.
azazel the cat wrote: It sounds like the gun manufacturers' advertising campaign has been working very well, then.
Put away that tin foil man!
Yeah, there's no tinfoil needed here. Every gun manufacturer's lobby group has been ramping up the "gonna take away the guns" scare tactics in the last few months, despite absolutely no evidence to support that, just as they have done several times in the last few years.
azazel the cat wrote: Yeah, there's no tinfoil needed here. Every gun manufacturer's lobby group has been ramping up the "gonna take away the guns" scare tactics in the last few months, despite absolutely no evidence to support that, just as they have done several times in the last few years.
I would say proposals currently in the Senate for "assault weapons" bans and mag cap restrictions would provide plenty of evidence to suggest there's a possibility those will not be available if passed.
azazel the cat wrote: So other than paranoia, how exactly does that necessitate a run on ammo?
I believe the run on ammo likely has something to do with the vows by the anti-gun folks to do something about "armor piercing" ammo. Since nobody's entirely sure what they're talking about, and various loads can get through various levels of ballistic protection, a lot of folks are stockpiling their preferred carry ammo now.
Breotan wrote: So, you're telling me that the Chiappa Rhino that I just bought is basically going to be a paperweight for a while? :/
I've always wanted to play with one of those.
I bet you can find ammo for it. 9mm's gone, never to return, and .45's hard to come by, but .40 S&W and most revolver calibers are still available, at least where I live.
There are plenty of talks of ammo taxes too. CA has two up for a vote, one adds 5 cents a bullet. There is a bill that makes a serial number on ammo mandatory bein considered, that will drive up cost big time. There are bills being proposed to limit quantity sales and internet sales of ammo being proposed.
There are plenty of reasons besides paranoia for a run on ammo. There are several gun control advocates who want to work around the 2nd Amendment by proposing restrictions like those I mentioned instead of (or in addition to) restrictions on gun ownership.
azazel the cat wrote: So other than paranoia, how exactly does that necessitate a run on ammo?
I believe the run on ammo likely has something to do with the vows by the anti-gun folks to do something about "armor piercing" ammo. Since nobody's entirely sure what they're talking about, and various loads can get through various levels of ballistic protection, a lot of folks are stockpiling their preferred carry ammo now.
Fair enough. That makes some sense. Doesn't seem particularly likely that basic rounds like .40 S&W or 9mm Luger will gain any type of restrictions, but nevertheless the explanation is slightly less doomsday-prepper-crazy than I thought.
I've got a .40 caliber black powder derringer, a .36 caliber 1861 cap and ball revolver, a Nagant revolver, an Mosin Nagant, and a spanish Ruby pistol, as well as a .22-.410 over and under for squirrel hunting. I really want a Brown Bess, and I'm going to get a Steyr-Manlnlicher and an Enfield soon.
Notice anything? My interest in guns is almost entirely historical, as well as the engineering that goes into firearms. I really have no desire to get a gun for self defense, though I think a 7.62x54r to the chest would probably do the job. Really, modern guns aren't of too much interest to me. Truth be told, I'd rather have a Brown Bess musket than an AR-15, though I will get a proper deer hunting rifle at some point. The ol' Mosin does just fine for hunting with good ammo for now.
I'm not worried about gun legislation. It won't even have enough votes to get past the senate, and the executive orders Obama is passing to enforce background checks on everything seems like a good idea. There are too many fething morons who own guns out there. I don't even know how someone could have an accidental discharge, not to mention shooting someone accidentally. And even in the insanely unlikely event that the ban is passed, I don't really care all that much, because I'm mainly interested in Curio and Relic stuff.
But this freakout is REALLY annoying. I can't even find Mosin Nagant ammo around, so I'm mainly stuck with blackpowder shooting for now, though I have been able to find Nagant revolver ammo, of all things.
Also, I went to a gun show with my Liberals With Guns shirt on the other day, and nobody said a thing to me, just threatening looks all around. Most gun owners in the south seem to be a bunch of morons. (Nobody here, but go to your nearest gun store and you know what I mean.) The funny thing is, I don't know a single Democrat personally who doesn't own at least one firearm.
I have a Colt Combat Commander Elite (.45 caliber 1911). I mostly take it target shooting, even though ammo is stupid expensive. It was my first gun, as I told myself I'd get a Colt before anything. Love it. Normally stored in a metal case next to my bed.
Also have a Mossberg 500 5+1. I've taken it skeet/clay shooting several times and it's always a blast (pun intended). I keep it disassembled in its soft carry case, in the back of my closet.
I'm not worried about gun legislation. It won't even have enough votes to get past the senate, and the executive orders Obama is passing to enforce background checks on everything seems like a good idea. There are too many fething morons who own guns out there. I don't even know how someone could have an accidental discharge, not to mention shooting someone accidentally. And even in the insanely unlikely event that the ban is passed, I don't really care all that much, because I'm mainly interested in Curio and Relic stuff.
So, you think universal background checks will keep " fething morons" from having accidental discharges or shooting folks? If not, why exactly are you for them? And you are okay with a ban because it wouldn't affect you? Nice.
Also, I went to a gun show with my Liberals With Guns shirt on the other day, and nobody said a thing to me, just threatening looks all around. Most gun owners in the south seem to be a bunch of morons. (Nobody here, but go to your nearest gun store and you know what I mean.) The funny thing is, I don't know a single Democrat personally who doesn't own at least one firearm.
You are just filled with well informed opinions. MOST gun owners in the South are morons? Again, nice.
No, I would be extremely dissapointed if there was a ban, but I do not fear any sort of socialist government takeover, nor do I think a bunch of people in cowboy hats and pickup trucks would be able to do anything about it with a few AR-15's if that impossible event took place. Nor do I think they would have the balls to do it if Socialist Obama Hitler ( ) went insane and tried to form a coup. And yes. many gun owners in the south are idiots. I'm a gun owner in the south, and I'm not an idiot, and I know many people who live in the south who are gun enthusiasts who are intelligent people. But walk into a gun store/show, and you will see people saying some of the most absolutely idiotic things you will ever hear. So much so that I begin to think a gun ban might be a good thing. But then I remember how fun shooting things is
But seriously, it seems like over half of gunowners around here are rednecks who think Obama is somehow a fascist and a socialist at the same time, and they think he is some sort of dictator who has taken over America by means of a subtle coup. They also think homosexuals should be killed, and they tend to blame everything on the gays and atheists, as well as the liberals. And they are all climate change denyers, and on occasion I hear some of them talking about that time when their gun accidentally went off because they thought it wasn't loaded. That and EVERY SINGLE sign in my town has been shot at least once. Oh, and they all seem to think the UN is some sort of evil organization. One gun store near me has a UN helmet with several bullet holes in it proudly displayed. See what I mean here? Maybe most gun owners aren't cretins, but it would seem at least half. I shouldn't have said most, fair enough. How about a disturbingly large portion of gun owners are lacking severely in the intelligence department?
Automatically Appended Next Post: And I think background checks will help a bit with the sort of "impulsive street crime", in which something that would have been a facepunch turns into a murder because one of the people involved had a gun. That's not to say that someone couldn't still buy a gun privately without telling anyone, but it would make it much harder to do, as a felon would not be able to simply look in the local star shopper and buy a handgun.
azazel the cat wrote: It sounds like the gun manufacturers' advertising campaign has been working very well, then.
Put away that tin foil man!
Yeah, there's no tinfoil needed here. Every gun manufacturer's lobby group has been ramping up the "gonna take away the guns" scare tactics in the last few months, despite absolutely no evidence to support that, just as they have done several times in the last few years.
Other than the 15 or so bills in Congress now right?
azazel the cat wrote: So other than paranoia, how exactly does that necessitate a run on ammo?
I believe the run on ammo likely has something to do with the vows by the anti-gun folks to do something about "armor piercing" ammo. Since nobody's entirely sure what they're talking about, and various loads can get through various levels of ballistic protection, a lot of folks are stockpiling their preferred carry ammo now.
Also bandied about have been taxes per round, some to be prohibitively expensive as a back door ban.
Also, I went to a gun show with my Liberals With Guns shirt on the other day, and nobody said a thing to me, just threatening looks all around. Most gun owners in the south seem to be a bunch of morons. (Nobody here, but go to your nearest gun store and you know what I mean.) The funny thing is, I don't know a single Democrat personally who doesn't own at least one firearm.
You are just filled with well informed opinions. MOST gun owners in the South are morons? Again, nice.
You've clearly never been to the south.
Many gun owners down here ARE idiots.
I should know, I see a lot of them every day.
Bear in mind, we do have many responsible and safe people, but for every guy you see that follows every safety rule, there's a bubba joe down the road shooting firecrackers with his revolver in his back yard. That's just how the south is at times. Thankfully, this seems to be getting a bit rarer, but I think that has more to me refusing to spend time around idiots than any real societal change.
Also, is 22lr really sold out almost everywhere? That's insane! Who the heck thinks 22.'s are going to get banned? Yes, they're lethal too, but if they're going to ban anything, I'm pretty sure it's going to be military calibres first before they start worrying about 22's. I was actually going to go into town tomorrow and look at buying a box since they used to be cheap but after seeing some of the posts in this thread I'm getting kind of worried...
I've lived in several southern states, and currently do as well. I've also lived up north in a couple of states.
The only state where some thoughtful gun owner popped rounds in the air on New Years that came through one of my windows was a northern state (Ohio, in Cleveland).
To paint the gun owners of the south as idiots/morons is asinine, and frankly offensive.
CptJake wrote: To paint the gun owners of the south as idiots/morons is asinine, and frankly offensive.
I'm going to have to agree here. I used to live in Georgia for a time and I can quite certainly tell you that there are plenty of idiots/morons in the south that don't own guns. To listen to some of them, you'd think that the Civil War had ended more recently than the first Gulf War and that Atlanta was still trying to rebuild after General Sherman's march to the sea.
Currently I have an HK USPc 9 and a S&W M&P 15 that I picked up a couple weeks before the tragedy in Newtown. Glad I got it when I did. Got it with an eotech 512.
Girlfriend has an SR9. I really like that gun.
Neither handgun is locked up for defense reasons. The ar-15 has a lock running through it.
I want to pick up a j-frame at some point, probably a .357. Also want to build a 1911, maybe get a rock river one. Was planning an ar-15 build, but that is obviously on hold.
Seaward wrote: I bet you can find ammo for it. 9mm's gone, never to return, and .45's hard to come by, but .40 S&W and most revolver calibers are still available, at least where I live.
Here, not so much. I have a coworker who's been posting asking if anyone knows where to get .40 S&W other then this one place that has it and has doubled the price.
djones520 wrote: Well lets try to keep it from going down that tangent.
Have you got any? I'm not 100% on Canada's laws but I know you can have them. My father owns 3 or 4 and he lives in B.C.
up here, pistols shorter then 4.5" are prohibited (banned) as well as tons of random semis that look scary, but are just like any other semi auto (AK's, FALs, ect)
pistols longer then 4.5, and things like ARs, or that just look like an AR, and most semi's are restricted, so you need an even more special license that requires people to sign and vouch for you, as well as your current and or ex spouse to sign off on. You will also undergo an interview from the federal police (RCMP) and they get to go/no go you. Costs a few hundred last I checked.
bolt actions and .22's, and pump shotties are general non restricted, so you just need the basic 300$+ course, + a few months wait, + background check, + references to get this one.
I do three gun with the AR, mossburg 590 pump, for pistol + smith and wesson m&p, in the only real caliber you should ever buy a handgun in: .45! (besides .22 for practice, and yes I am mostly joking/stirring the pot)
I take out the .22 and 30-06 rifles for hunting everyone once in a blue moon, but small game is a bit too small, and large is a bit to big unless Im with a decent sized group. But I find duck hunting with a 12g to be far easier to do.The ducks are just the right size for how much meat I can carry/clean out of the bush by myself and butcher myself.
Id sure like to be able to defend my life with one, or to have my daughters/wives/countrymen be able to make that choice, but unfortunately in canada, only criminals carry guns :(
even using one for legitimate self defense at your house will, best case scenario, just cost you thousands in legal fees to prove you had it stored properly before you used it.
everything's stored in a safe, with trigger locks, and I have to ask the government for a hall pass every time I want to take the ar/pistols to the range or I could go to federal prison for 5+ years if caught without proper authorization to transport restricted class weapons.
every year they ban more and more guns too... last year it was a .22 lr that happened to look like an AK, this year is all the Cz 858s and swiss arms rifles...
even using one for legitimate self defense at your house will, best case scenario, just cost you thousands in legal fees to prove you had it stored properly before you used it.
I'm fairly certain we covered that BS statement once before, yet it still shows up pretending to be a true fact...
even using one for legitimate self defense at your house will, best case scenario, just cost you thousands in legal fees to prove you had it stored properly before you used it.
I'm fairly certain we covered that BS statement once before, yet it still shows up pretending to be a true fact...
fairly certain you just put your fingers in your ears and went "LALALALALA" while I showed you evidence, and you just argue with no factual basis.
The only BS statement is yours, but Im sure a fudd like you knows canadian gun law better then a candian who actually deals with it, the lawyers who deal with it, and things like the NFA (our NRA) all the time on canadian court cases that deal specifically with the systematic use of the "unsafe storage" charge as a catch .22 charge.
You guys think it's a regional thing? We don't have 9mm overflowing from the shelves, but I haven't had any trouble finding range ammo or hollow points.
I haven't looked for .22, weird that it is in short supply. It's cheap blinking ammo, but that's always been the case so really no reason why it should be in short supply now. Are people stockpiling to go vermin hunting?
I wish I knew. I've talked to about 5-6 fellow shooting buddies, and they have a hard time finding it also One of them talked to a local gun shop, and he didn't have a good reason either. It's just real hard to find right now.
"Kali" - my Siamese Mauser .45-70 conversion: this one's my hunting gun and hopefully my companion for an eventual safari to Africa. Darn girl kicks like a mule and the bullets drop like a stone after about 120 yards, but it will lay a buffalo head over heels in one shot.
"Michael" - my stainless Colt Combat Commander .45 pistol: this will be my carry gun as soon as I graduate from college and am actually allowed to carry. Also need to take a tactical shooting course first. The fact a hunting license qualifies you for a Concealed Carry Permit in Idaho quite frankly terrifies me (I applied for mine to make buying a firearm easier if I see a good deal on one I want).
Someday I'm going to have to pick up another full size 1911 and slap a .460 Rowland conversion in it.
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Jihadin wrote: Broke my firing pin spring in my M1carbine yesterday. On order.
Oh wow, someone else has an M1 Carbine? my dad picked up one of hose. Too bad for him though it's been nothing but trouble since he got it, and by this point it's about 50/50 odds on whether it will jam or shoot any given time you pull the trigger.
Think the spring goes back to to refurb in 1948. Can find the refurb date by the weapon serial number. I do know that cleaning the M1 carbine is more "involve" and you really have to know the weapon. Its a fun weapon to fire. What got me at first was the fixed front sight post and I am so use to a M4/M16. I center mass first and one shot at 300 meters before the spring broke. I will admit though itis time for me to turn it over to a gunsmith for a complete check up, Like sending our weapons to "Third Shop"
Jihadin wrote: I do know that cleaning the M1 carbine is more "involve" and you really have to know the weapon. Its a fun weapon to fire.
I can agree with both of these statements. I do know for a fact that my dad isn't always the most thorough with cleaning his firearms. Running a bore snake through it once or twice is about as far as he goes. His WWI 1911 was having severe reliability problems when I took it out once so I stripped it down after the range. Cleaned about 50 years worth of collected grease out of the slide and feed ramp area. Suddenly good as new.
I'm not going to claim my weapons are spotless, but getting yelled at by a Marine Corps gunnery sergeant about how you should be able to eat out of your weapons has kinda scarred me for life in that regard.
m not going to claim my weapons are spotless, but getting yelled at by a Marine Corps gunnery sergeant about how you should be able to eat out of your weapons has kinda scarred me for life in that regard.
A NCO and a Arms Room Armorer does make one pay attention to detail. When you think you cannot find a deposit of dirt or carbon build up that a spot is found in a obvious place does piss one off.
d-usa wrote: I haven't looked for .22, weird that it is in short supply. It's cheap blinking ammo, but that's always been the case so really no reason why it should be in short supply now. Are people stockpiling to go vermin hunting?
.22 is in extremely short supply. Our store on base got in about 10,000 rounds the other day, sold out in 5 customers. Haven't gotten a box since.
9mm seems to be the same way. Only place I've found any is at the local range who is reloading the brass fired, and those are just target loads.
22 has been in short supply for quite a while here, as well.
There was a rumor posted on Cheaper Than Dirt's blog recently that Russia would halt exports of ammunition to the US over the Ukrainian situation. There are a lot of reasons why I'm sure that's a load of gak, mostly because we know Russia really needs the hard currency - but I'm sure that CTD will still get to jack the price up a little anyway, so rock on you tools.
There are a lot of things I really, really like about shooting. It's a lot of fun, it's loud, and you can do it fairly cheaply if you don't get too fancy. There's a lot of things I really don't like, and most of them are beyond the scope of this topic but the one that isn't is all these fake panics that get drummed up to increase sales.
To answer the OP (which I never did despite the thread being like a year old) I myself have a AK I use for screwing around at the range and for putting tacticool things onto. I'm still not 100% through screwing with it, I have a different folding grip coming any day now and probably will lose the bipod. I also recently added the green laser which gave me +2 to Mall Ninja. The replacement muzzle brake also makes it noticeably louder.
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My carry gun is a 1911. I'm not a great shot but I'm pretty OK. I tried a lot of 1911's and the Taurus was the one that felt most right to me, although Taurus as a company is not so hot - you either get a great one or a terrible one, no middle ground, and their customer service is quite poor. I got a pretty solid one and did some extractor and trigger tuning until I got it just right, and I like it a lot.
Like many of you, I can't find .22 or 9mm anywhere, both calibers of which I need. .223 and 5.56 is plentiful, as is .40 and .45.
My girlfriend picked up a Bersa BP9CC the other day for a carry gun. Nice little gun, fits very nicely in both of our hands. Took a photo of our small collection.
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I need to get a new main spring plug for the 1911 so I can use it in .45 also. I am glad I finally found some minimag to run it in .22. It is one picky .22 for sure. Had 2 failures to eject, which is a lot better than the 100% failure the last .22 ammo I was using.
I also need to get some BUIS for the AR. Batteries died half way through our trip to the range. Also realized it needs a new grip and stock, as they are very uncomfortable. And I might as well replace the hand grip with something else too.
even using one for legitimate self defense at your house will, best case scenario, just cost you thousands in legal fees to prove you had it stored properly before you used it.
I'm fairly certain we covered that BS statement once before, yet it still shows up pretending to be a true fact...
I plan on buying a Glock 22 Gen4 with a high-speed, low drag brown frame whenever I get back to the states.
ARs really don't interest me at all. I don't know, maybe carrying an M4 and learning how truly annoying and unintuitive that platform is has turned me off of them. The forward assist and case deflector are two things in particular that irritate me. They're like bandages to patch up inherent shortcomings of the riflle. If you have a situation where your round is failing to seat in the chamber, it's probably your fault for not pulling the charging handle back violently enough, and you would be better off performing corrective action. Or just slap the side of the rifle with your hand until the round seats.
The charging handle mounted on the spine of the weapon is poorly thought out, and is not a natural position for such an integral piece of the weapon. The immovable straight-pull buffer tube is a nice idea as far as a consistent semi-automatic rifle, but not very practical for anything besides a full sized battle-rifle, which is funny when you consider the M16 is a scaled down AR10.
I don't really want an AK either, because most US made AKs are horrible, and if they aren't, they're unjustifiably expensive.
Frazzled wrote: Have you thought about an M1 (M14 variant vs. the carbine) or FN?
A Springfield M1A? Once or twice, but .308s are expensive to feed, and the rifle itself would be a significant investment. I know a couple guys who have the Socom 16 carbine, and it's apparently LOUD as heck.
An AK74 type rifle with a parkerized grey finish (or heck, light grey duracoat) with a 16inch barrel would suit my needs pretty well. I hate the whole black thing. It annoys me. Black furniture is fine, but a bit of contrast never hurt. Grey is a nice neutral color.
It might seem silly to worry about things like color and aesthetics, but I'm fairly knowledgeable about calibers and philosophy of use, and I have fairly clear ideas about what I need in regards to that. Of the multitude of options on the market that fire the same caliber, all of them are going to perform basically the same, in terms of ballistics. Whether I like a weapon and feel like it was a good purchase or not is going to depend on how much I enjoy looking at it, and cleaning it, and things beyond firing it. Novelty has a lot to do with it as well. Like I said before, the AR15 is stale to me. I've had plenty of time to decide that I hate it, and to observe it's cycle of operation and lose interest in it.
5.45x39 shows up in bulk every now and then, usually for fairly cheap, since the Russians and a handful of prior-bloc nations still use it. You can buy huge cans on gun sites.
I can't remember, but someone has to make it locally. I think it's a hard business to get into, since it's so cheap to begin with. It's like US made 7.62x54r. There's just no point, since anyone who actually fires it is probably using a 120$ mosin nagant (or a Tigr, or some other expensive russian rifle)
I have a Smith & Wesson M&P15X with a bunch of aftermarket goodies on it, a third generation Glock 21, a Walther P22, a Ruger Security Six .357, and some old 20ga. shotgun that my mother-in-law's husband gave me.
In other news beyond the tragic loss of all my personal arms, I would like to take a moment and give my seal of approval to the Vortex SPARC optic. That little critter is a sexcellent red dot scope, especially for $200 with a lifetime warranty.
10/10 would operate with.
My only complaint is the NVG mode is a bit easy to toggle if you're fiddling with the controls at all, which can be a bit annoying.
Captain Fantastic wrote: 5.45x39 shows up in bulk every now and then, usually for fairly cheap, since the Russians and a handful of prior-bloc nations still use it. You can buy huge cans on gun sites.
I can't remember, but someone has to make it locally. I think it's a hard business to get into, since it's so cheap to begin with. It's like US made 7.62x54r. There's just no point, since anyone who actually fires it is probably using a 120$ mosin nagant (or a Tigr, or some other expensive russian rifle)
There is some legitimate concern that the Obama administration is about to ban the import of Russian ammunition (well potentially any foreign ammunitiion, but especially Russian in light of Ukraine). I'd rate this rumor, at least for Russian only manufacture, at 60% now.
I just couldn't stand having personal firearms any more. No one needs guns! The NSA, which is staffed by very compotent, attractive individuals, will look out for us.
I just couldn't stand having personal firearms any more. No one needs guns! The NSA, which is staffed by very compotent, attractive individuals, will look out for us.
I thought you may have had an unfortunate boating accident in which all of your personal firearms and large capacity magazines fell over board.
I just couldn't stand having personal firearms any more. No one needs guns! The NSA, which is staffed by very compotent, attractive individuals, will look out for us.
I thought you may have had an unfortunate boating accident in which all of your personal firearms and large capacity magazines fell over board.
Happens a lot now a days.
I did, but I didn't see the blessing of such an accident, and ended up buying more, only to voluntarily discard them myself.
Now if I can only find somewhere that has 9mm on the shelf...
What do you think of the XD9? I've tried it at the range a few times and thought it was (in my amateur opinion) a decent sidearm
I like how it fires a lot, but man, I just don't like how it fits my hand. I know the grips can be changed, but I couldn't get past it.
I bought it because of how it fit my hand. I tried out the S&W M&P, Glock 19, Springfield XD, and a Sig Sauer. G19 and XD were my two fav's, but the XD fit my hand better then the G19 so it won out.
I absolutely hated the Sig that I tried, but I can't remember what type it was.
I bought it because of how it fit my hand. I tried out the S&W M&P, Glock 19, Springfield XD, and a Sig Sauer. G19 and XD were my two fav's, but the XD fit my hand better then the G19 so it won out.
I absolutely hated the Sig that I tried, but I can't remember what type it was.
Too, too funny.
I'm literally the polar opposite. I really find Glocks to be uncomfortable in my hands due to the moulding on the grip.
My Sig, however, fits my hand like a warm glove.
Just goes to show that you really need to try out a firearm before you buy it to make sure it 'fits' you correctly.
Im currently in the market for a Glock (yuck) 17 or 19, Gen3. Have been fighting transitioning to a Glock for a while, but find that the 19 and 17 fit my grip pretty well. I just HATE Glocks aesthetics (its just a damned brick with a trigger). The review on Gen 4's has been tepid at best.
Carrying the 1911 all day is starting to hurt my hips (gettin old LOL).
Spacemanvic wrote: Im currently in the market for a Glock (yuck) 17 or 19, Gen3. Have been fighting transitioning to a Glock for a while, but find that the 19 and 17 fit my grip pretty well. I just HATE Glocks aesthetics (its just a damned brick with a trigger). The review on Gen 4's has been tepid at best.
Carrying the 1911 all day is starting to hurt my hips (gettin old LOL).
You'll notice a huge rise in comfort when carrying when you switch to the Glock.
I bought it because of how it fit my hand. I tried out the S&W M&P, Glock 19, Springfield XD, and a Sig Sauer. G19 and XD were my two fav's, but the XD fit my hand better then the G19 so it won out.
I absolutely hated the Sig that I tried, but I can't remember what type it was.
Too, too funny.
I'm literally the polar opposite. I really find Glocks to be uncomfortable in my hands due to the moulding on the grip.
My Sig, however, fits my hand like a warm glove.
Just goes to show that you really need to try out a firearm before you buy it to make sure it 'fits' you correctly.
So very very true, glocks and the XD feel like bricks in my hand, but the M&P and single stack 1911's feel like they were made just for me.
Berettas are pretty decent for hand feel as well, but they dont come in .45 :(
1911 with pearl + gold colt goldcup grips.... best 190$ i ever spent.
the M&P
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gossipmeng wrote: First time I held a gun was last summer in Montana - replica STG 44 hehe.
Shooting for sport intrigues me. so one of these days I'll try and find where Canada keeps its gun.
lol, look up your local shooting range in the internets... if you live in toronto, have fun, you mayor banned all the ranges in the city last I checked, but that was only because he couldnt ban all guns/ammo in the city limits.
sites like canadiangunnutz.com will have everything you need to get started locally, and I bet some nice local guys who would be MORE then happy to take you out to the range and show you how to safely shoot under their supervision and go through the licensing process if you decide to invest all the time+$ into it. Id take you out myself, but Im wayyy out in the boonies
gossipmeng wrote: First time I held a gun was last summer in Montana - replica STG 44 hehe.
Shooting for sport intrigues me. so one of these days I'll try and find where Canada keeps its gun.
lol, look up your local shooting range in the internets... if you live in toronto, have fun, you mayor banned all the ranges in the city last I checked, but that was only because he couldnt ban all guns/ammo in the city limits.
sites like canadiangunnutz.com will have everything you need to get started locally, and I bet some nice local guys who would be MORE then happy to take you out to the range and show you how to safely shoot under their supervision and go through the licensing process if you decide to invest all the time+$ into it. Id take you out myself, but Im wayyy out in the boonies
Thanks for the info I'll definitely check out the website
I bought it because of how it fit my hand. I tried out the S&W M&P, Glock 19, Springfield XD, and a Sig Sauer. G19 and XD were my two fav's, but the XD fit my hand better then the G19 so it won out.
I absolutely hated the Sig that I tried, but I can't remember what type it was.
Too, too funny.
I'm literally the polar opposite. I really find Glocks to be uncomfortable in my hands due to the moulding on the grip.
My Sig, however, fits my hand like a warm glove.
Just goes to show that you really need to try out a firearm before you buy it to make sure it 'fits' you correctly.
I didn't have a problem with how it fit in my hand, it was the trigger. There was absolutely zero resistance to it and I hated that. If a stiff breeze hit it, the gun could have gone off. The M&P was the most uncomfortable to me. It pinched my thumb everytime I fired, not sure why.
Your absolutely right though, people should always try out a range of guns before they make a purchase. Especially if you're buying to carry. When it comes to something your going to defend your life with, you want what feels the most natural.
Spacemanvic wrote: Im currently in the market for a Glock (yuck) 17 or 19, Gen3. Have been fighting transitioning to a Glock for a while, but find that the 19 and 17 fit my grip pretty well. I just HATE Glocks aesthetics (its just a damned brick with a trigger). The review on Gen 4's has been tepid at best.
Carrying the 1911 all day is starting to hurt my hips (gettin old LOL).
You'll notice a huge rise in comfort when carrying when you switch to the Glock.
Spacemanvic wrote: Im currently in the market for a Glock (yuck) 17 or 19, Gen3. Have been fighting transitioning to a Glock for a while, but find that the 19 and 17 fit my grip pretty well. I just HATE Glocks aesthetics (its just a damned brick with a trigger). The review on Gen 4's has been tepid at best.
Carrying the 1911 all day is starting to hurt my hips (gettin old LOL).
You'll notice a huge rise in comfort when carrying when you switch to the Glock.
I hope so! Back pain is giving me a head ache....
It felt like a feather when I was holding it. My only beef with it was the hand grip was about half an inch to short for my hand.
Spacemanvic wrote: Im currently in the market for a Glock (yuck) 17 or 19, Gen3. Have been fighting transitioning to a Glock for a while, but find that the 19 and 17 fit my grip pretty well. I just HATE Glocks aesthetics (its just a damned brick with a trigger). The review on Gen 4's has been tepid at best.
Carrying the 1911 all day is starting to hurt my hips (gettin old LOL).
You'll notice a huge rise in comfort when carrying when you switch to the Glock.
I hope so! Back pain is giving me a head ache....
It felt like a feather when I was holding it. My only beef with it was the hand grip was about half an inch to short for my hand.
I tried a few in the shop. I have to get the extended mag with finger rest on the Glock 19 as my hand is too big. The 17 is no problem, except that it is full size. I did carry a P-95PR, but that thing was bulky as all get out. Fast firing/reset pistol after 500 rounds though.
I hate to say this as I'm a Beretta man, but when it comes to carry, there's no reason not to go Glock.
( I let style and personal preference cloud my judgement so I'm being a little hypocritical here as I cary a Px4.)
Spacemanvic wrote: Im currently in the market for a Glock (yuck) 17 or 19, Gen3. Have been fighting transitioning to a Glock for a while, but find that the 19 and 17 fit my grip pretty well. I just HATE Glocks aesthetics (its just a damned brick with a trigger). The review on Gen 4's has been tepid at best.
Carrying the 1911 all day is starting to hurt my hips (gettin old LOL).
Try something not made by a shower pipe manufacturer...
But American. Buy S&W! (or Ruger!, or Sig or Beretta depending on your definition of domestic production)
Sig Sauer 522 rifle, .22, with rail kit. Not loaded with anything, cause you can't find any .22
azazel the cat wrote: I asked in the other thread before it was locked, and I'm legitimately curious as to the responses:
How does dakka store its firearms?
Well, since I'm a cop, and the wife knows how to shoot, I generally store them hidden around the house. The shotty and the AR chill next to the bed in case something goes bumpin the night. My Taurus 9mm is next to the computer, my .380 is in the armrest of my recliner, and my Glock goes wherever I do. The .22 is in my gun cabinet with my spare ammo, and my Taurus .45 is out on loan while my friend's XDS .45 is being recalled.
Spacemanvic wrote: Im currently in the market for a Glock (yuck) 17 or 19, Gen3. Have been fighting transitioning to a Glock for a while, but find that the 19 and 17 fit my grip pretty well. I just HATE Glocks aesthetics (its just a damned brick with a trigger). The review on Gen 4's has been tepid at best.
Carrying the 1911 all day is starting to hurt my hips (gettin old LOL).
Try something not made by a shower pipe manufacturer...
But American. Buy S&W! (or Ruger!, or Sig or Beretta depending on your definition of domestic production)
Ehh... buying American doesn't mean your buying American.
My Springfield, whose based a couple hours away from me, was made in Croatia.
I wanted to like Glock. I really, really did. Their build quality is terrific and so is their reliability, and around here ammo is plentiful. Unfortunately, and you know how the chorus goes by now... I didn't like how it felt in my hand.
Spacemanvic wrote: Im currently in the market for a Glock (yuck) 17 or 19, Gen3. Have been fighting transitioning to a Glock for a while, but find that the 19 and 17 fit my grip pretty well. I just HATE Glocks aesthetics (its just a damned brick with a trigger). The review on Gen 4's has been tepid at best.
Carrying the 1911 all day is starting to hurt my hips (gettin old LOL).
Try something not made by a shower pipe manufacturer...
But American. Buy S&W! (or Ruger!, or Sig or Beretta depending on your definition of domestic production)
Ouze wrote: I wanted to like Glock. I really, really did. Their build quality is terrific and so is their reliability, and around here ammo is plentiful. Unfortunately, and you know how the chorus goes by now... I didn't like how it felt in my hand.
I've heard this a lot. They tried to complement the individual's hand a bit more with the gen4 frames that have removable and interchangeable rear grips. I'm honestly suspect of this modification, and how it affects the overall integrity of the frame.The ambidextrous safety and magazine release is superfluous as well, since there have been aftermarket modifications for almost 20 years for that purpose.
I used to hate glocks, because, well, they're the "glock" of pistols, but then I fired one and experimented with various ways of CCing it, and I really liked the shape and look of it. If nothing else, it has predictable aesthetics. The distinctive squared trigger guard is something I really like.
I used to own, before life and law changed all that, But when I was actively shooting I had; A .357 Uberti SAA with a 7 1/2" barrel and adjustable sights, in blued steel with walnut grips, which was more fun than a well oiled midget. I used it for steel plate and skittles.
A S&W 59 9mm with pachmayr grips and weaver sights. I was using that for practical pistol competition.
A S&W 629 .44Mag, just because
I had a slot available on my Firearms Certificate available for a Calico M950, but I was posted overseas (to Cyprus where I couldn't take my guns) before I could get one. Fun times.
I'm also not a Glock fan, I just don't like the ergos.
I like revolvers. If I can't solve a problem with 6x.44 Magnum, it can't be solved
One of the best guns I've fired was a 1914 P08 Luger, that was the sweetest pointing pistol I've ever held.
seriously, I would LOVE it if somone remade the broom handle pistol, with a nice small revolver style handle and the magazine up front with modern internals....
Found some 9mm today at a local range. Not a member though, so they'll only let me buy 2 boxes a day. Not to bad though, between that and that my dad is now getting into making his own loads, my supply should be solid now.
an I've only owned one firearm.
It was my rifle in the army. An L1A1 SLR 7.62x51mm semi-automatic rifle. At the time, we were permitted to purchase our own rifles and keep them with us, over requisitioning one from stores everytime we needed to use one (which meant stripping and cleaning and re-zeroing the sights every time).
It only ever had one use as far as I could see.
Putting holes in things and making them fall down. It did the job well.
Things like wild pigs (that tend to not really care about small stuff), but a single hardball 7.62 through the skull dropped them.
When it became illegal for me to own it in this state, I 'sold' it to a mate in a neighbouring state where it WASN'T illegal to own it. He uses it for pigshooting.
That crap wont fly in my range. Russians have always done razzle-dazzle Hollywood bs in their training. That's why you have simunitions.
Anybody see that discharge in the second drill where he pushes the BCM guy away and his pistol goes off into the ground? Terrific way to take yourself out of a fight.
You couldn't pay me enough to participate in a drill like those, or let them happen on any range in my AO. Try to train like that in my house and I am going to end you.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: You couldn't pay me enough to participate in a drill like those, or let them happen on any range in my AO. Try to train like that in my house and I am going to end you.
I have the feeling you wouldn't even have to bother much of the time.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: You couldn't pay me enough to participate in a drill like those, or let them happen on any range in my AO. Try to train like that in my house and I am going to end you.
I have the feeling you wouldn't even have to bother much of the time.
Hah. True enough. I like to think most Americans have slightly more sense then training with live ball ammo like that.
If I owned guns, I would like a XDM .40 for my sidearm, a Mossberg 500 tactical for my door buster, and a Springfield M1A Scout for my rifle. And I would have used them in a 3 gun match held locally this past weekend.
CZ P-01 9mm that I use for carry and it is normally on me at all times.
Sig Sauer M11 9mm that I also use for carry and when not in use stays in my gun safe upstairs.
Ruger sp-101 327 mag that I carry in the summer and sits in the gun safe until then.
Smith and Wesson J Frame 38 special that I use as a bug gun and is always near me.
Russian Ak-47 that stays locked up but can get to it easily if I need it.
For collection reasons I just bought a Mauser P-08 Luger built in 1938! Its a police rebuild so not really a 1938 but it has a brand new barrel and functions flawlessly, really fun to shoot.
I work as an armed guard so I have lots of firearms experience and train with the local law enforment and ex-military instructors as much as possible. I also used to shoot in IDPA and IPSC so I got quite the collection from the old competitive days.
SickSix wrote: If I owned guns, I would like a XDM .40 for my sidearm, a Mossberg 500 tactical for my door buster, and a Springfield M1A Scout for my rifle. And I would have used them in a 3 gun match held locally this past weekend.
But sadly I don't own such fine weapons.
In this mythical three gun competition you didn't attend, what were the ranges on the carbine shots?
So, asked a Wal-Mart employee on when they would be getting more .22 and 9mm. He said that he receives in shipment on a random day during the week at 7am, and they'll be sold out by 10/11am. I've heard similar stories about other ammo distributors.
Grey Templar wrote: Now is it just .22 that is hard to find? Or is it hard to find the components as well if you were going to make your own?
From what I understand some powders are a bit difficult to find but components can be found with a little patience. I know primers were difficult to find for a while, but not heard grousing about that lately.
Note, you would not be able to find components to make .22LR. I've never seen anyone make primed rimless brass for sale for reloaders (I have this image of timing of wiener dogs manning eentsy weensy loading benches to load tiny .22 rounds)
I have a Lee-Enfield .303 that saw action in WWI and was somewhere along the way modified slightly for use as a hunting rifle and a CZ-36 my grandfather brought back after fighting in Germany alongside his 6 brothers in Patton's army. As the story goes, he confiscated a Luger off of a captured German soldier and somehow lost it or had it taken and chose the CZ-36 from a cache of confiscated weapons to replace it.
You cant reload 22LR as it is a rimfire cartridge. As for costs, it is too expensive to purchase the specialized equipment to load 22LR. The primer compound itself is stable when wet, but explosive when dry.
Here's a good article as to why reloading 22LR isnt gonna happen:
SickSix wrote: If I owned guns, I would like a XDM .40 for my sidearm, a Mossberg 500 tactical for my door buster, and a Springfield M1A Scout for my rifle. And I would have used them in a 3 gun match held locally this past weekend.
But sadly I don't own such fine weapons.
In this mythical three gun competition you didn't attend, what were the ranges on the carbine shots?
One stage would have had small steel plates at 100 yards and 200 yards. All other stages would have been well within 50 yards.
I think I would have had fun and learned a lot but not have done very well.
I have a Glock 36, two New England Firearms single shot break action shotguns in .410 and .12ga, a semi auto Savage .22, a Mossberg 590 that I keep a pistol grip on and a Glock 26.
The pistols are carried regularly for self defense, I carry the 36, wifey carries the 26.
The break action shotguns are two guns that I grew up with so they hold sentimental value and they are great for target shooting.
The .22 rifle is fun for just about anything, if I can find ammo.
The Mossberg 590 sits under my pillow just in case anyone decides they would like to enter my home at night without permission. 9 rounds of 2 3/4" 00 buck help me sleep comfortably.
I also hope I never have to use my guns to hurt anyone, but if I have to defend myself or my wife, I won't hesitate to pull the trigger.
I dream of running a three gun comp with an M1 Garand, a 1911A1 and an old trench shotgun, all in era appropriate gear, just to piss off the mall ninjas
Sadly with the loss of my Garand and 1911, the remaining gun which is almost impossible to get any way, even the Norinco clone, leaves me high and dry
You know...noticing all the scopes and sighttacticool sight on rifles...I really hope a lot of you all remember to sight in the weapon at 300 meters...without using the 25 meter zero target
Jihadin wrote: You know...noticing all the scopes and sighttacticool sight on rifles...I really hope a lot of you all remember to sight in the weapon at 300 meters...without using the 25 meter zero target
SickSix wrote: If I owned guns, I would like a XDM .40 for my sidearm, a Mossberg 500 tactical for my door buster, and a Springfield M1A Scout for my rifle. And I would have used them in a 3 gun match held locally this past weekend.
But sadly I don't own such fine weapons.
In this mythical three gun competition you didn't attend, what were the ranges on the carbine shots?
One stage would have had small steel plates at 100 yards and 200 yards. All other stages would have been well within 50 yards.
I think I would have had fun and learned a lot but not have done very well.
Good deal. They have carbine matches here (and three gun) and I was always interested deploying an M1 carbine, but eyesight is a factor.
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Ahtman wrote: I use my .45 to change the channel on the TV. Well, I did once.
We had a sofa get uppitty once and used a Beretta Storm to put it down.
"Once you've hunted and killed a couch, nothing else will equal it."
SickSix wrote: One stage would have had small steel plates at 100 yards and 200 yards. All other stages would have been well within 50 yards.
I bet I couldn't even see a small steel plate at 200 yards.
Exactly. I'd need glass good enough to sea the pimples on the moon's ass for that.
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KalashnikovMarine wrote: I dream of running a three gun comp with an M1 Garand, a 1911A1 and an old trench shotgun, all in era appropriate gear, just to piss off the mall ninjas
Sadly with the loss of my Garand and 1911, the remaining gun which is almost impossible to get any way, even the Norinco clone, leaves me high and dry
Have you heard of SASS's "Wild Bunch" Competitions? It sounds like its made just for you. http://sassnet.com/wildbunch/
KalashnikovMarine wrote: I dream of running a three gun comp with an M1 Garand, a 1911A1 and an old trench shotgun, all in era appropriate gear, just to piss off the mall ninjas
Sadly with the loss of my Garand and 1911, the remaining gun which is almost impossible to get any way, even the Norinco clone, leaves me high and dry
Have you heard of SASS's "Wild Bunch" Competitions? It sounds like its made just for you.
http://sassnet.com/wildbunch/
I hadn't actually! That sounds like a blast! Now I just need to buy a replacement 1911 and find an 1897 pattern shotgun.
Dreadclaw69 wrote: I just had a WTF moment on Facebook, I liked a firearm related page and the following pages were suggested as being similar;
I ain't seeing the WTF part here. Sasha Grey, Freedom, Guns, a Gun Website, and the comedic stylings of Mr. Jeff Foxworthy are all pretty awesome.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: I dream of running a three gun comp with an M1 Garand, a 1911A1 and an old trench shotgun, all in era appropriate gear, just to piss off the mall ninjas
Sadly with the loss of my Garand and 1911, the remaining gun which is almost impossible to get any way, even the Norinco clone, leaves me high and dry
At Green Top north of Richmond I found a nice little 1897 for under $400. I was very tempted. If it had the bayonet lug I might have.
And can't quite figure out how it's used (it hasn't come yet).
In the description, it lists this:
•Tool free, rapid attachment - press button and apply to rail; optic will return to zero every time
•3 cross ribs offer unmatched security
•Grabs more rail - more surface area contact ensures more secure optics
•Designed for red dots, reflex sights, small flashlights, laser sights and any item with a Pica tinny rail attachment
•Correct height for AR sights
Now, the first one says the optic will "return to zero" everytime; does this basically mean you can put this on your rifle, sight the optic once, and stow it when you store your rifle (for safe care reasons, or whatever) and not have to re sight the optic?
Kinda perplexed on this one, and was pretty sure there'd be a fella or three here that may be able to help.
And can't quite figure out how it's used (it hasn't come yet).
In the description, it lists this:
•Tool free, rapid attachment - press button and apply to rail; optic will return to zero every time
•3 cross ribs offer unmatched security
•Grabs more rail - more surface area contact ensures more secure optics
•Designed for red dots, reflex sights, small flashlights, laser sights and any item with a Pica tinny rail attachment
•Correct height for AR sights
Now, the first one says the optic will "return to zero" everytime; does this basically mean you can put this on your rifle, sight the optic once, and stow it when you store your rifle (for safe care reasons, or whatever) and not have to re sight the optic?
Kinda perplexed on this one, and was pretty sure there'd be a fella or three here that may be able to help.
Well....
On a T-marked rail, you would put your quick release mount on, then your optic (scope, red dot etc) and make note of which T-Mark number the quick release is on. That way, when you put the optic back on the rifle, you put it back on the same T-Mark as before, and provided you havent bounced the optic around, it would keep close to zero. If you dont do that, no mount will magically return you to zero.
This mount isnt tall enough for say like an Aimpoint Micro, as mine requires a 1 inch mount in order to make the red dot 1/3 co-witness with my iron sights. But it looks like a serviceable mount.
Larue has been making return-to-zero mounts for a while. ARMS also makes one. Strange that you have to piggyback that one...I guess it's for red dots with integral mounts and basically acts like a riser.
Recently got discharged from kapooka (Aus army) due to having bad anxiety whilst using the weapons, Im allowed to re-apply just got to get over the guns and get used to them
so im looking at getting my license and getting a .22 most likely a savage, as ive heard good things about them, to get used to firearms as im keen to get back into the army
I was then thinking of upgrading to something more powerful and closer to the same round as the Austeyr which is 5.56 or a .223 as i beleive thats the civillians term
Good luck with it mitch, how many weeks in did you get?
And not a bad idea to do it that way, try and get a good friend to go with you to the range when you do go. It may help with your anxiety, even if they aren't shooting (unless the anxiety was more of a performance anxiety rather than an anxiety over holding something that you could kill with). If it is performance anxiety, then figure out how you tackle other challenges where you've had the same problem and then go nuts.
I didnt think in Australia you were allowed military calibers?
If you can, get a rifle in 556 as that will allow you to shoot 556/223. Make sure the barrel is marked 556. The throat of a 556 rifle is longer than a 223 rifle. If you try to fire 556 in a rifle marked 223, the bullet actually makes contact with the rifling before it is fired, which jacks up the chamber pressure and can result in this:
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mitch_rifle wrote: Recently got discharged from kapooka (Aus army) due to having bad anxiety whilst using the weapons, Im allowed to re-apply just got to get over the guns and get used to them
so im looking at getting my license and getting a .22 most likely a savage, as ive heard good things about them, to get used to firearms as im keen to get back into the army
I was then thinking of upgrading to something more powerful and closer to the same round as the Austeyr which is 5.56 or a .223 as i beleive thats the civillians term
Using a 22 is a good route. I generally do that with people new to shooting. Savage arms makes good kit. Are you guys allowed maybe a Ruger 10/22?
mitch_rifle wrote: Recently got discharged from kapooka (Aus army) due to having bad anxiety whilst using the weapons, Im allowed to re-apply just got to get over the guns and get used to them
so im looking at getting my license and getting a .22 most likely a savage, as ive heard good things about them, to get used to firearms as im keen to get back into the army
I was then thinking of upgrading to something more powerful and closer to the same round as the Austeyr which is 5.56 or a .223 as i beleive thats the civillians term
What exactly do you mean by that?
I'm assuming they discharged you for more than a flinch. Not up on procedures in the AUS Army but what "MOS" (or equivalent) were you in for? Do you know early in training?
Canadian invented, called the "best gun evar!" by churchill (IIRC)
wanted one of these for a looooong time, but finally found it!
all winchester parts, the stock might be a restored "authentic" stock, or a really close reproduction, but Im afraid to shoot it as its just in such fine condition... the stock is just soo perfect
quite the dilemma
one the one hand, now I have a 1911, trench gun, and garand to run three gun with and amaze/confuse all the people with their cz's and AR's, but I know it would lower the value.
on the other hand, I feel like this is basically a museum quality piece that should never, EVER leave my safe without me breaking out the fancy gloves and bubble wrapping everything within a 1/4 mile that could potentially nick the metal or wood.
maybe Ill just put a few en blocs through it from the bench so I dont mess it up.
just wish I had a better camera to capture its beauty.
no, that is NOT garand thumb lol! managed to take a chunk out of my thumb with a deadly assault shampoo bottle with a razor sharp plastic flashing on the cap.
what are these running you guys in the states these days?
yeah I wish I could pick up a CMP one to just use as a shooter.
thanks for the response guys, looks like I got a pretty good deal on it, esp since garands tend to be "up priced" in canada.
Side note:
I now have so many enblocs that I made a nice wind chime with them, such a great sounding tone from them! Im going to see if I can get some slightly different pitched by modifying the tongs a bit, but even with them all the same it sounds really good!
I currently own two side by side 12 bore shotguns. The first is a BSA prototype from 1923 that was passed down my family and an AYA. I use these for lamping, pest control and game shooting. I also own a nifty little CZ 511 semi auto .22lr which I use for plinking and prohibiting.
sierra 1247 wrote: I currently own two side by side 12 bore shotguns. The first is a BSA prototype from 1923 that was passed down my family and an AYA. I use these for lamping, pest control and game shooting. I also own a nifty little CZ 511 semi auto .22lr which I use for plinking and prohibiting.
prohibiting? im probably the only person this side of the pond who gets lamping, but whats prohibiting?
NuggzTheNinja wrote: Not up on procedures in the AUS Army but what "MOS" (or equivalent) were you in for? Do you know early in training?
It depends, you can either go in with something in mind (Cook, Rifleman, Driver, etc), or you can go in as a 'Soldier', and you specify later on once you've progressed through basic a bit.
Just picked up a 1915 No1 MkIII Lee Enfield the other day and this Friday, if its still there, I am going to lay away a 1896 MLE (Magazine Lee Enfield).
Collection purchases mostly but I shoot every gun I own including the 1936 Luger.
keep looking at her, such an appreciable design, one of the first milled receivers, but the wood is just mesmerizing, someone put a lot of love into getting the finish just right.
sierra 1247 wrote: I currently own two side by side 12 bore shotguns. The first is a BSA prototype from 1923 that was passed down my family and an AYA. I use these for lamping, pest control and game shooting. I also own a nifty little CZ 511 semi auto .22lr which I use for plinking and prohibiting.
prohibiting? im probably the only person this side of the pond who gets lamping, but whats prohibiting?
poppa G wrote: I'm going to be purchasing an Ak-47 soon. Any tips on which model is the best make?
It depends on what you define as "best".
The WASR10 is a good entry level stamped AKM. The build quality is a little hit or miss, common complaints are that the front sights are canted (that's a problem) and that the magazine wobbles. Some quick backstory here: There is an import ban in the US on non-sporting rifles that take high capacity magazines. As a result of this, the guns are manufactured to take a single stack magazine and then, once they are in the US, the receiver is cut to widen the magazine mouth to take double-stack magazines. Allegedly the WASR's are done by hand and so the results can be inconsistent. In my opinion this is not a big problem since most people who are buying an AK are buying them for fething around, so a wobbly mag - if you get one - is not a big deal.
They use remanufactured parts which is another place costs are reduced. If you shop carefully you can get these as low as $480 or so.
The M&M M10 is a middle-of-the-road stamped AKM. They are manufactured in the same factory as the WASR, but there are some differences. They use all new parts, they get additional quality checks for the sights, and the magazine mouth is cut by CNC so you won't get a wobbly mag. They also replace the wooden furniture with a quad-rail, a tapco stock, a hogue grip and a G2 trigger (which is much nicer than a stock trigger). The sights are RPK-style (windage), and it comes with a threaded muzzle brake. These go for about $680 for the stock one, or $750 for a very solid wire-stock side folder.
The higher end option is the Arsenal AK. These have milled (ie, CNC cut from a solid hunk of metal) receivers in the AK47 style, which some claim makes them more accurate (and also a little heavier). The fit and finish on these will be better than either of the other options. These start at, as I recall, about $1,100-1,200.
I myself went with the M&M M10. It was a really nice package for the money. The only regret I have is buying the side-folder model. I need to lock mine up and I have a limited area to do it in so I need a folding stock, but the stock sidefolder is very, very uncomfortable to shoot to shoot and you can't get a good cheek weld with it. I wound up replacing it with an ATI side folder which is much nicer, but I could have saved $70 by just getting the plastic stock. Also, the stock muzzle brake kind of blows, I replaced it with a tommy gun style one.
One thing that I have learned also is that you need to avoid plastic magazines. The Tapco Promags are very cheap, but this is an area where you get what you pay for. You can find Korean steel mags pretty cheap and those are better, but the best buy would be some military surplus com-bloc magazines.
WASR's are good for feeding alot of cheap ammo through it. I bought one years ago, and it took a bit of work to get it working nice and tight, but I could feed 300-400 rounds of steel cased soviet surplus ammo between cleanings, and the only FTFs were caused by the ammo itself.
Also, milled >stamped recievers. Heavier but can take far more abuse
In the current market, entry level ARs are almost as cheap as WASRs. I own a WASR and, given the price to an AR you build from parts from Palmetto State Armory for example, I can't really recommend them to anybody. There are way too many things that commonly go wrong with them to buy from an online source - if you're going to buy one, you want to inspect it in person.
TBH I never really got the appeal, at least what with the import ban meaning you get some iffy parts now.
Id prefer a CSA or VZ, milled reciever, ak reliability and then some, better safety position, and rest assured 99% of people will still think its an AK! I dont think you guys have import bans on these either, as even in canuckistan where all AK's are prohibited, you can still get CSA's and VZ's.
just grab an AR in 7.62 and have at her IMO what with prices being comaprable.
If looking at an AK, consider this. My roommate and I bought assault rifles at the same time. He an AK and I and AR. Neither of us had much prior shooting experience. After thousands of rounds, I was able to put 25 out of 30 in the ten ring at 50 yds by the time he was firing his fifth shot. The kick on the AK rounds is tremendous, while the AR is a god damn laser beam. That being said, the AR is like a Harley, she needs love. You will clean it every time you shoot. And if you are firing steel cased ammo, which is a fraction of the price of brass, you will be replacing extractor pins every thousand rounds. You will jam, your gun will break down. Whereas the AK doesn't mind a damn thing. Throw it in the mud, it will fire, water, it will fire, you don't have to clean it, it will fire. Every round, every time. And when you go to look at cost. An AR with some nice p mags will cost you around a grand. An AK, not even half that. On top of that .223 is expensive ($300 for 500), 7.56 is again about half the price ($180 for 500).
easysauce wrote: lol... I never clean my AR.. what are you talking about?
although to be fair, its a super high end norinco... the AK of AR's if you will...
seriously, last time i ran it till something happened, took over 1000 rounds before I had enough build up to cause a FTE or FTL or two.
Definitely...there are ARs that have gone thousands of rounds without cleaning. The one caveat is that you need to lube it heavily - ARs like to be run very very wet.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I've had an M4 seize up pretty good after only 100 rounds or so when it was run bone dry.
easysauce wrote: lol... I never clean my AR.. what are you talking about?
although to be fair, its a super high end norinco... the AK of AR's if you will...
seriously, last time i ran it till something happened, took over 1000 rounds before I had enough build up to cause a FTE or FTL or two.
Definitely...there are ARs that have gone thousands of rounds without cleaning. The one caveat is that you need to lube it heavily - ARs like to be run very very wet.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, I've had an M4 seize up pretty good after only 100 rounds or so when it was run bone dry.
Mobil 1 5W30 FTW!
Stays on, doesnt burn off or collect dirt. Cant say the same for CLP. Also, A $6 quart bottle lasts you for decades
BTW, we got som Partizan 55Gr 556 in, $379.99 for a 1000 case. Partizan is very good brass (I wont put steel Russian crud through my ARs - steel cases AND corrosive powder? Yeah, no thanks!).
I use maybe a drop or two of CLP... refreshed every 500 or so, but again, have gone over 1000 without clean or lube before I had any sort of issue. I have seen more FTF from over lubing then from under, especially if you get the oil in the channel between the pin and primer.
honestly, if you have to baby it at all, whats the point? If I cant trust the gun to go at bare minimum 500+ rounds with no maintenance, then I dont keep it.
But, as they say, not everything is made equal, Ive had some AR's that couldnt go 100 rounds without FTE's FTF double taps, even with babying.
My first CSA (canadian legal AK) kept ripping cases in half, and shoving another round into the front bit.
I can still see the look on the guys face who pointed out the back part of the case that was stuck in the post by my start area... jesus that would have hurt if it had hit someone.. jagged brass an inch into solid wood almost....
But yeah, I tend to do apply a lot of magic pixie dust to all my guns (IE go through the parts and make em all work like butter with polish/fit/ect), if that doesnt work they get returned or sold pretty damn quick.
but you are definitely right, no sense in tempting fate as in general, there is no harm in cleaning and lubing whenever the opportunity is there.
Stays on, doesnt burn off or collect dirt. Cant say the same for CLP. Also, A $6 quart bottle lasts you for decades
BTW, we got som Partizan 55Gr 556 in, $379.99 for a 1000 case. Partizan is very good brass (I wont put steel Russian crud through my ARs - steel cases AND corrosive powder? Yeah, no thanks!).
hmmm I have actually heard good things about that mobil, its more like the old school "grease" for lube,
to be frank, while I find CLP to perform well (esp for cleaning) the smell is horrible, I feel like I am inhaling pure cancer or something.
man... 380 per 1000? I feel super lucky there is still some norinco brass cased available here. right now its 329 / 1120 rnds, brass cased, boxer primed, non corrosive. actually holds up to my AE black box stuff too.
500 per 100 for AE black box though, so I should probably buy some before this surplus chi com stuff is gone
NuggzTheNinja wrote: In the current market, entry level ARs are almost as cheap as WASRs. I own a WASR and, given the price to an AR you build from parts from Palmetto State Armory for example, I can't really recommend them to anybody.
Yes, as an AK owner, I echo this. The AK made sense at the time, but that was a while ago and the prices on low end AR's have gone down tremendously. If I were buying now, I would buy an AR over an AK because I would like the higher accuracy and I clean my guns after every shooting session. I do like the AK, but it would be sort of nice to get groupings at 100 yards that are smaller than a DVD case. Definitely an minute-of-bad-guy gun. So if it's going to be a range queen like mine, I would go AR. Plinking's more fun when you hit what you are aiming at and 5.56 is very cheap right now as well.
I also think it would be fun to build an AR from the upper/lower/parts kits sets I see only cheap now and then. I may yet at some point, but my next gun is probably a shotgun for clays.
That being said, if my life depended on it, I would rather the AK. I've never had a single once ever FTF or FTE with it and I'm shooting the very cheapest steel cased bimetal rounds on the market, Tula and Wolf.
NuggzTheNinja wrote: In the current market, entry level ARs are almost as cheap as WASRs. I own a WASR and, given the price to an AR you build from parts from Palmetto State Armory for example, I can't really recommend them to anybody.
Yes, as an AK owner, I echo this. The AK made sense at the time, but that was a while ago and the prices on low end AR's have gone down tremendously. If I were buying now, I would buy an AR over an AK because I would like the higher accuracy and I clean my guns after every shooting session. I do like the AK, but it would be sort of nice to get groupings at 100 yards that are smaller than a DVD case. Definitely an minute-of-bad-guy gun. So if it's going to be a range queen like mine, I would go AR. Plinking's more fun when you hit what you are aiming at and 5.56 is very cheap right now as well.
I also think it would be fun to build an AR from the upper/lower/parts kits sets I see only cheap now and then. I may yet at some point, but my next gun is probably a shotgun for clays.
That being said, if my life depended on it, I would rather the AK. I've never had a single once ever FTF or FTE with it and I'm shooting the very cheapest steel cased bimetal rounds on the market, Tula and Wolf.
ARs are extremely easy to build, and there is good kit for not allot of $$$ if you know where to look. Another reason against Tula and Wolf: I reload
Please don't use Tula or wolf in an AR. The tolerances are too tight and the coating on the steel jackets melts off and gums up the AR's workings. The AK can take that cheap ammo because it's tolerances are looser.
lol... another reason why I like the norinco and call it the "AK" of AR's... it has sliiightly looser tolerances, so the laquered cases from steel ammo have no effect (at least that I have seen, ~500 rounds of that stuff at a time with no issues) still more accurate then the AK too.
its also lets me enjoy "a better annihilating firepower"
google the manual for the norinco CQ-A, you are in for a laugh... badly translated english and space ships galore.
FWIW hardly any of the Russkie steel cased stuff is lacquered anymore. Most of it is polymer coated and, while it smells like ass, it won't stick in your chambers.
There's nothing wrong with shooting Wolf or Tula, but you should fire a couple rounds of brass cased ammo to strip the gunk out of the chamber. It actually works...
mega_bassist wrote: The Luger shoots regular 9mm, right? Is it picky on the ammo you put through it?
The tolerance for the barrel is kinda interesting. It does not like some of the Ameriacan ammo like Winchester or Federal, but rocks the European stuff like a champ. Although it did like Winchester white box which was interesting.
mega_bassist wrote: The Luger shoots regular 9mm, right? Is it picky on the ammo you put through it?
The tolerance for the barrel is kinda interesting. It does not like some of the Ameriacan ammo like Winchester or Federal, but rocks the European stuff like a champ. Although it did like Winchester white box which was interesting.
Edit: yes, its standard 9mm.
Pretty cool. I was always curious on how those would handle "modern" 9mm.
I recently got a 12g Benelli nova pump for my school's trap shooting team. It's very nice and definitely better than the old supersport that I used to use.
Coolyo294 wrote: I recently got a 12g Benelli nova pump for my school's trap shooting team. It's very nice and definitely better than the old supersport that I used to use.
I am really wanting a shotgun for clays this summer, so intrigued.
Coolyo294 wrote: I recently got a 12g Benelli nova pump for my school's trap shooting team. It's very nice and definitely better than the old supersport that I used to use.
Ah, one of the guys I game with owns one of those. The action on it is nice and smooth, and the sights were pretty sweet. However, I like my shotguns to have wood furniture
Coolyo294 wrote: I recently got a 12g Benelli nova pump for my school's trap shooting team. It's very nice and definitely better than the old supersport that I used to use.
Ah, one of the guys I game with owns one of those. The action on it is nice and smooth, and the sights were pretty sweet. However, I like my shotguns to have wood furniture
I was handed an SKB shotgun my pa used for clay...
Coolyo294 wrote: I recently got a 12g Benelli nova pump for my school's trap shooting team. It's very nice and definitely better than the old supersport that I used to use.
Ah, one of the guys I game with owns one of those. The action on it is nice and smooth, and the sights were pretty sweet. However, I like my shotguns to have wood furniture
I was handed an SKB shotgun my pa used for clay...
I haven't shot it yet...
Oh man! Shooting trap is one of my favorites. I know there's a couple good trap ranges around STL.
mega_bassist wrote: Oh man! Shooting trap is one of my favorites. I know there's a couple good trap ranges around STL.
Trap shooting is a lot of fun. It's actually one of the fastest growing high school sports here in Minnesota.
That's awesome. There's only two highschool in my area that have trap teams, and they're the more...rural highschools, haha. I wish my school had one when I was in Highschool. My stepdad used to have a REALLY nice '69 1100, and it would've been great to shoot with.
So... just tried, for the 4th time to buy some .22lr... this is over the last 5 months too... wally world and canadian tire have none.... well they have the over priced packs of 25, but Id rather not pay out the nose for that stuff.
is it this bad in the states?
up here you would think that the federal or winchester 555/525 packs of 22.lr were made of pure gold or something.
I am almost at the point where I will trade you .223 for .22 at a 1-2 ratio... cause at least I can reload the .223
mega_bassist wrote: Oh man! Shooting trap is one of my favorites. I know there's a couple good trap ranges around STL.
Trap shooting is a lot of fun. It's actually one of the fastest growing high school sports here in Minnesota.
I am sad that they didn't have it when I was in school.
We have a gun club in town for trap, but I don't have a shotgun so I haven't joined to shoot. The local lion's club is doing a fun shoot in a couple months I might get in on though.
mega_bassist wrote: Go to Wal Mart and pick up a Mossberg 500. Boom! Trap gun
The closest Walmart's to me do not sell firearms last I checked. Luckily they do have ammo.
Edit: I know I could easily go get a shotgun. My GF and I are constantly hemming and hawing over getting one. Right now it is not feasible with our living arrangement financially right now. (until she starts working full time)
edit 2: I don't think I can get away with proposing with a shotgun either....
mega_bassist wrote: Go to Wal Mart and pick up a Mossberg 500. Boom! Trap gun
The closest Walmart's to me do not sell firearms last I checked. Luckily they do have ammo.
Edit: I know I could easily go get a shotgun. My GF and I are constantly hemming and hawing over getting one. Right now it is not feasible with our living arrangement financially right now. (until she starts working full time)
edit 2: I don't think I can get away with proposing with a shotgun either....
Sparky you're doing it wrong. Make her propose to you.
KalashnikovMarine wrote: Standard 9mm being 9x19mm Parabellum... or as it was originally called 9mm Luger, which was designed for the hand gun by Georg Luger.
This was implied, Most people that know enought about weapons know standard 9mm to be Parabellum or Luger. Luger was just the European designation for 9mm for Luger himself, where as Parabellum is just the North American designation for 9mm. The need to clear this up is when refering to 9mm Kurz aka 380 or 9x18 aka 9mm Makarov. You can add 9mm Nato to this but, the only difference is that it burns hotter build for a different case pressure. Nato also similar/same to 9mm +P
Couple of us this weekend is hooking up with a Troop of Boy Scouts and showing them how to fire a M4/AR14whatever. Proper handling and every safety angle we learned on deployments.
Muzzle Awareness
Cook Off
Safety
Buddy Hand Off (No Cheney repeat)
Checking chamber
eeevvvvveeerryyyyyy thing. Lot's of ammo to....
wait..I deny all the above if some of you all is offended for showing kids how to handle firearms of Assault, pistol, and shotguns.
Kittens-for those rapid strikes, inaccessible targets and raids. Also useful for waking people up either by setting it on them or allowing it access to the ornament shelves 
