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You can't label me, Fascist! Don't label me, Bro!

Has anyone had problem getting ammo? The guys at work have been bitching about it, but we live in Houston, which has a high redneck ammo hoarding syndrome population density.

Give Southwest Ammo a call I think they are in your neck of the woods too. It's also a pretty well kept secret.

 kronk wrote:
You can't label me, Fascist! Don't label me, Bro!

Has anyone had problem getting ammo? The guys at work have been bitching about it, but we live in Houston, which has a high redneck ammo hoarding syndrome population density.

The ranges around me are rationing even their overpriced target ammo to one box per visit.

I don't think there's a box of 9mm defensive ammo left in my state.

 kronk wrote:
You can't label me, Fascist! Don't label me, Bro!

Has anyone had problem getting ammo? The guys at work have been bitching about it, but we live in Houston, which has a high redneck ammo hoarding syndrome population density.

If by problem you mean there's literally nothing available...anywhere then you betcha.

I managed to sneak in and receive 4 bricks of Remington .22 and supposedly 6 bricks of Federal .22s are on their way, but I'm backordered (and officially delayed at least once) on 4,500 rounds, and am waiting status on another 5,000 scheduled in May. I didn't expect the freakout to hit .22s and so fast so was caught flatfooted. At the last IDPA match we almost had a group cry because even the reloaders couldn't find primers now.

But there's nothing, and I mean nothing out there. I figure it will ease up in about 6 months, unless the Dmocrats drag out the Senate crying game for a few months, then add that time too.


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 AustonT wrote:
Give Southwest Ammo a call I think they are in your neck of the woods too. It's also a pretty well kept secret.

Like everybody else, we are experiencing unprecedented demand at this time. We do have tons of components inbound, and are loading ammo late into the nights and over the weekends. As a small company, we are flexible, and will continue to offer 556, 308, and 300 BLK despite all the hysteria.


All orders are subject to a 7-10 working delay, and some items have a listed longer delay. We are swamped, but ammo is shipping.


Merry Christmas,

Southwest Ammunition

PBR's website:

PBR would like to update all of its customers as to our policies and procedures going forward during this time of high ammunition demand. As of Friday, 1/25/2013, we have almost no stock listed on the website because our shelves are now officially bare. For those of you who have orders in with us, we continue to work to fill them first and are on schedule per our earlier update you. Going forward, here are our policies concerning ammunition sales.

•Only backorders of ammunition are being accepted as of today (1/23/2013)
•Backorders may only be placed through email by sending us the item name and the quantity (ex. 5 boxes, PV-9MM-115-FMJ)
•Backorders will be filled in the order they were received and delivery is at least 6-8 weeks
•Prices will be determined at the time of sale and will reflect the component cost for the lot of ammunition being sold
•After filling all backorders for an item, excess stock will be listed on the website for sale
•The website reflects our current inventory; we really are out of stock on almost everything
We know that many people selling ammunition are raising their prices significantly right now and while that may work with their business model, it is not compatible with ours. Our business has been built on repeat customers and charging a customer $1 per round of 223 does nothing to build a relationship for future sales. We do not feel that a one-time profit today is worth losing many, many more sales in the future.

So far I own a Winchester 30 -30, a 12 gauge double barrel shotgun, a Winchester .22 Riffle, and a Winchester 30 - 06 long barrel. All four guns have been in the family for at least three generations now and the 30 -30 has dropped more moose then its age. All of them are used for hunting

7-10 working days isn't half bad. Or was that weeks?
Thier match ammo is relatively comparable to FGMM by most accounts, and the naysayers are probably tools.
what about HSM?

Ammo's been a bear to get around here. I got some of the last .30-30 at and one of the last bricks of .22 at Sportsman's Warehouse the day of the panic really setting in and haven't seen a box since.

It sounds like the gun manufacturers' advertising campaign has been working very well, then.

 azazel the cat wrote:
It sounds like the gun manufacturers' advertising campaign has been working very well, then.

Put away that tin foil man!

 whembly wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
It sounds like the gun manufacturers' advertising campaign has been working very well, then.

Put away that tin foil man!

No! The tin foil would be that Obama's only making a fuss at the gun manufacturer's behest, and is getting kick backs for giving them a reason to set off a panic, even though no restrictions of a meaningful nature will be made.

whembly wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
It sounds like the gun manufacturers' advertising campaign has been working very well, then.

Put away that tin foil man!

Yeah, there's no tinfoil needed here. Every gun manufacturer's lobby group has been ramping up the "gonna take away the guns" scare tactics in the last few months, despite absolutely no evidence to support that, just as they have done several times in the last few years.

 azazel the cat wrote:
Yeah, there's no tinfoil needed here. Every gun manufacturer's lobby group has been ramping up the "gonna take away the guns" scare tactics in the last few months, despite absolutely no evidence to support that, just as they have done several times in the last few years.

I would say proposals currently in the Senate for "assault weapons" bans and mag cap restrictions would provide plenty of evidence to suggest there's a possibility those will not be available if passed.

So other than paranoia, how exactly does that necessitate a run on ammo?

 azazel the cat wrote:
So other than paranoia, how exactly does that necessitate a run on ammo?

I believe the run on ammo likely has something to do with the vows by the anti-gun folks to do something about "armor piercing" ammo. Since nobody's entirely sure what they're talking about, and various loads can get through various levels of ballistic protection, a lot of folks are stockpiling their preferred carry ammo now.

So, you're telling me that the Chiappa Rhino that I just bought is basically going to be a paperweight for a while? :/

 Breotan wrote:
So, you're telling me that the Chiappa Rhino that I just bought is basically going to be a paperweight for a while? :/

I've always wanted to play with one of those.

I bet you can find ammo for it. 9mm's gone, never to return, and .45's hard to come by, but .40 S&W and most revolver calibers are still available, at least where I live.

 Breotan wrote:
So, you're telling me that the Chiappa Rhino that I just bought is basically going to be a paperweight for a while? :/

.357 and .38SP is on the shelf around here. I'm extremely jealous of your new pistol!

There are plenty of talks of ammo taxes too. CA has two up for a vote, one adds 5 cents a bullet. There is a bill that makes a serial number on ammo mandatory bein considered, that will drive up cost big time. There are bills being proposed to limit quantity sales and internet sales of ammo being proposed.

There are plenty of reasons besides paranoia for a run on ammo. There are several gun control advocates who want to work around the 2nd Amendment by proposing restrictions like those I mentioned instead of (or in addition to) restrictions on gun ownership.

I have a sword and a big dog. I'm hoping the combination of the two will lead to the home invader hesitating long enough for me to reach him.

Seaward wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
So other than paranoia, how exactly does that necessitate a run on ammo?

I believe the run on ammo likely has something to do with the vows by the anti-gun folks to do something about "armor piercing" ammo. Since nobody's entirely sure what they're talking about, and various loads can get through various levels of ballistic protection, a lot of folks are stockpiling their preferred carry ammo now.

Fair enough. That makes some sense. Doesn't seem particularly likely that basic rounds like .40 S&W or 9mm Luger will gain any type of restrictions, but nevertheless the explanation is slightly less doomsday-prepper-crazy than I thought.

I've got a .40 caliber black powder derringer, a .36 caliber 1861 cap and ball revolver, a Nagant revolver, an Mosin Nagant, and a spanish Ruby pistol, as well as a .22-.410 over and under for squirrel hunting. I really want a Brown Bess, and I'm going to get a Steyr-Manlnlicher and an Enfield soon.

Notice anything? My interest in guns is almost entirely historical, as well as the engineering that goes into firearms. I really have no desire to get a gun for self defense, though I think a 7.62x54r to the chest would probably do the job. Really, modern guns aren't of too much interest to me. Truth be told, I'd rather have a Brown Bess musket than an AR-15, though I will get a proper deer hunting rifle at some point. The ol' Mosin does just fine for hunting with good ammo for now.


I'm not worried about gun legislation. It won't even have enough votes to get past the senate, and the executive orders Obama is passing to enforce background checks on everything seems like a good idea. There are too many fething morons who own guns out there. I don't even know how someone could have an accidental discharge, not to mention shooting someone accidentally. And even in the insanely unlikely event that the ban is passed, I don't really care all that much, because I'm mainly interested in Curio and Relic stuff.

But this freakout is REALLY annoying. I can't even find Mosin Nagant ammo around, so I'm mainly stuck with blackpowder shooting for now, though I have been able to find Nagant revolver ammo, of all things.

Also, I went to a gun show with my Liberals With Guns shirt on the other day, and nobody said a thing to me, just threatening looks all around. Most gun owners in the south seem to be a bunch of morons. (Nobody here, but go to your nearest gun store and you know what I mean.) The funny thing is, I don't know a single Democrat personally who doesn't own at least one firearm.

I have a Colt Combat Commander Elite (.45 caliber 1911). I mostly take it target shooting, even though ammo is stupid expensive. It was my first gun, as I told myself I'd get a Colt before anything. Love it. Normally stored in a metal case next to my bed.

Also have a Mossberg 500 5+1. I've taken it skeet/clay shooting several times and it's always a blast (pun intended). I keep it disassembled in its soft carry case, in the back of my closet.

 GalacticDefender wrote:

I'm not worried about gun legislation. It won't even have enough votes to get past the senate, and the executive orders Obama is passing to enforce background checks on everything seems like a good idea. There are too many fething morons who own guns out there. I don't even know how someone could have an accidental discharge, not to mention shooting someone accidentally. And even in the insanely unlikely event that the ban is passed, I don't really care all that much, because I'm mainly interested in Curio and Relic stuff.

So, you think universal background checks will keep " fething morons" from having accidental discharges or shooting folks? If not, why exactly are you for them? And you are okay with a ban because it wouldn't affect you? Nice.

 GalacticDefender wrote:

Also, I went to a gun show with my Liberals With Guns shirt on the other day, and nobody said a thing to me, just threatening looks all around. Most gun owners in the south seem to be a bunch of morons. (Nobody here, but go to your nearest gun store and you know what I mean.) The funny thing is, I don't know a single Democrat personally who doesn't own at least one firearm.

You are just filled with well informed opinions. MOST gun owners in the South are morons? Again, nice.

No, I would be extremely dissapointed if there was a ban, but I do not fear any sort of socialist government takeover, nor do I think a bunch of people in cowboy hats and pickup trucks would be able to do anything about it with a few AR-15's if that impossible event took place. Nor do I think they would have the balls to do it if Socialist Obama Hitler ( ) went insane and tried to form a coup. And yes. many gun owners in the south are idiots. I'm a gun owner in the south, and I'm not an idiot, and I know many people who live in the south who are gun enthusiasts who are intelligent people. But walk into a gun store/show, and you will see people saying some of the most absolutely idiotic things you will ever hear. So much so that I begin to think a gun ban might be a good thing. But then I remember how fun shooting things is

But seriously, it seems like over half of gunowners around here are rednecks who think Obama is somehow a fascist and a socialist at the same time, and they think he is some sort of dictator who has taken over America by means of a subtle coup. They also think homosexuals should be killed, and they tend to blame everything on the gays and atheists, as well as the liberals. And they are all climate change denyers, and on occasion I hear some of them talking about that time when their gun accidentally went off because they thought it wasn't loaded. That and EVERY SINGLE sign in my town has been shot at least once. Oh, and they all seem to think the UN is some sort of evil organization. One gun store near me has a UN helmet with several bullet holes in it proudly displayed. See what I mean here? Maybe most gun owners aren't cretins, but it would seem at least half. I shouldn't have said most, fair enough. How about a disturbingly large portion of gun owners are lacking severely in the intelligence department?


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And I think background checks will help a bit with the sort of "impulsive street crime", in which something that would have been a facepunch turns into a murder because one of the people involved had a gun. That's not to say that someone couldn't still buy a gun privately without telling anyone, but it would make it much harder to do, as a felon would not be able to simply look in the local star shopper and buy a handgun.

 azazel the cat wrote:

whembly wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
It sounds like the gun manufacturers' advertising campaign has been working very well, then.

Put away that tin foil man!

Yeah, there's no tinfoil needed here. Every gun manufacturer's lobby group has been ramping up the "gonna take away the guns" scare tactics in the last few months, despite absolutely no evidence to support that, just as they have done several times in the last few years.

Other than the 15 or so bills in Congress now right?


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 Seaward wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
So other than paranoia, how exactly does that necessitate a run on ammo?

I believe the run on ammo likely has something to do with the vows by the anti-gun folks to do something about "armor piercing" ammo. Since nobody's entirely sure what they're talking about, and various loads can get through various levels of ballistic protection, a lot of folks are stockpiling their preferred carry ammo now.

Also bandied about have been taxes per round, some to be prohibitively expensive as a back door ban.

CptJake wrote:

 GalacticDefender wrote:

Also, I went to a gun show with my Liberals With Guns shirt on the other day, and nobody said a thing to me, just threatening looks all around. Most gun owners in the south seem to be a bunch of morons. (Nobody here, but go to your nearest gun store and you know what I mean.) The funny thing is, I don't know a single Democrat personally who doesn't own at least one firearm.

You are just filled with well informed opinions. MOST gun owners in the South are morons? Again, nice.

You've clearly never been to the south.

Many gun owners down here ARE idiots.

I should know, I see a lot of them every day.

Bear in mind, we do have many responsible and safe people, but for every guy you see that follows every safety rule, there's a bubba joe down the road shooting firecrackers with his revolver in his back yard. That's just how the south is at times. Thankfully, this seems to be getting a bit rarer, but I think that has more to me refusing to spend time around idiots than any real societal change.

Also, is 22lr really sold out almost everywhere? That's insane! Who the heck thinks 22.'s are going to get banned? Yes, they're lethal too, but if they're going to ban anything, I'm pretty sure it's going to be military calibres first before they start worrying about 22's. I was actually going to go into town tomorrow and look at buying a box since they used to be cheap but after seeing some of the posts in this thread I'm getting kind of worried...

I've lived in several southern states, and currently do as well. I've also lived up north in a couple of states.

The only state where some thoughtful gun owner popped rounds in the air on New Years that came through one of my windows was a northern state (Ohio, in Cleveland).

To paint the gun owners of the south as idiots/morons is asinine, and frankly offensive.

As MrMoustaffa wrote, clearly you haven't been here long enough to notice

@Moustaffa

I found some .22 short at a local gun shop, but there was no .22 LR. I guess I'm stuck plinking single shot for a while.

CptJake wrote:
To paint the gun owners of the south as idiots/morons is asinine, and frankly offensive.

I'm going to have to agree here. I used to live in Georgia for a time and I can quite certainly tell you that there are plenty of idiots/morons in the south that don't own guns. To listen to some of them, you'd think that the Civil War had ended more recently than the first Gulf War and that Atlanta was still trying to rebuild after General Sherman's march to the sea.

Such a fun thread.

Currently I have an HK USPc 9 and a S&W M&P 15 that I picked up a couple weeks before the tragedy in Newtown. Glad I got it when I did. Got it with an eotech 512.

Girlfriend has an SR9. I really like that gun.

Neither handgun is locked up for defense reasons. The ar-15 has a lock running through it.


I want to pick up a j-frame at some point, probably a .357. Also want to build a 1911, maybe get a rock river one. Was planning an ar-15 build, but that is obviously on hold.