Vindicator with siege shield and extra armour-140

terranarc wrote:Isn't that the same? Technically, you can field any apoc unit if your opponent permits it. I think you're getting apoc confused with superheavy.
But to humor you and keep thread going,
DreadedWardKnight with Great Ward Weapon and Ward's Personal Teleporter 230

Not apoc, not superheavy. Neither. Just forgeworld. No rules about minimum points cost army for their inclusion.

Sam__theRelentless wrote:Plasma biker squad + powerfist, 135 points

How many bikers is that?

3 including the Sg.It should be 145 as well.

4 Flamers of tzeentch -140

breath of chaos: flamer template, no armor save, all 4 models have it

2 GK Paladins with Psybolt and Halberds-140 I think.

2x Special Weapons Squad, 3x Plasma Gun: 160pts

Harpy-160

Harpy? What is that?
It doesn't come up on GW or Forge World

It doesn't have a modal yet.it is a Tyranid MC fast attcak choice.

Has TL stranglethorn cannon,scything talons,and can do a bombing rtun,like Apoc flyers,using spore mines.When it charges you half your Int,and it has Int5.It has frag grenades and wings and can deep strike.

Ok

Wraithseer with Dcannon 235

3 broadsides 210

terranarc wrote:3 broadsides 210

Shas'O R'alai 225

2x {3x SM Bikers, 2x plasmaguns, power sword} 280 points

Thanks Deadshot!

monolith - 235

Carnifex with Heavy Venom Cannon,Scything Talons,Adrenal Glands,Bioplasma,Regeneration,frag Spines-245

4 pallys W/brotherhood banner- 240

force weapon wounds cause instant death. Brotherhood banner means no activation roll required and +1 attack for each.

Lysander-200

3 Vypers w starcannons = 210 pts

Mawloc with Regeneration and adrenal glands-205

R'alai 225

Rules: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/s/comralai.pdf

Old One Eye-260

Mephiston-250

Does he have EW?

If so Swarmlord-280

If not......still Swarmlord-280

He doesn't need eternal warrior he's T6, so unless your hitting at S12 (which I doubt) And your supposed to name something less expensive preferable.

Kinda hate to bring down the points...Venom 2 Spliter Cannons 65pts

Ineed2bucks wrote:He doesn't need eternal warrior he's T6, so unless your hitting at S12 (which I doubt) And your supposed to name something less expensive preferable.

Wrong. Swarmy's Bone Sabres automatically inflict Instant Death, meaning that he's very likely to gib Mephiston ^_^

@ the Venom

Hydra - 75pts

Ineed2bucks wrote:He doesn't need eternal warrior he's T6, so unless your hitting at S12 (which I doubt) And your supposed to name something less expensive preferable.

Perferably,but not exclusivly

The Swarmlord has 4 bonesabreswhich force you to reroll Invuolnerables and inflict ID.He is Int 6 and WS 9.He can giver himself preferred enemy or furious charge in either shooting phase,and has 5 wounds.He has a 4++,can use 2 Hive Tyrant powers per turn,and generally kicks @$$.


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@ the Hydra
Land Speeder with 2 MMs-80

Ineed2bucks wrote:He doesn't need eternal warrior he's T6, so unless your hitting at S12 (which I doubt) And your supposed to name something less expensive preferable.

Zzap gun could...


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Deadshot wrote:

Ineed2bucks wrote:He doesn't need eternal warrior he's T6, so unless your hitting at S12 (which I doubt) And your supposed to name something less expensive preferable.

Perferably,but not exclusivly

The Swarmlord has 4 bonesabreswhich force you to reroll Invuolnerables and inflict ID.He is Int 6 and WS 9.He can giver himself preferred enemy or furious charge in either shooting phase,and has 5 wounds.He has a 4++,can use 2 Hive Tyrant powers per turn,and generally kicks @$$.


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@ the Hydra
Land Speeder with 2 MMs-80

XV88 TA-180

I'd like to see another HQ take out the Swarm lord.

Tyranids? Tyranids. wrote:I'd like to see another HQ take out the Swarm lord.

R'alai.

Swarm Lord could never catch up to him. He would continue to use hyper-density sabot shells till he won,

Or An'ggrath. Gargantuan Creature=no ID. Plus he can get infinite attacks in melee.

.

Can I have a link to that page please?I have been looking for that.


As a GC,he is Apoc,so illegal in this thread.But he could kick the Swarmlord in the 'urty bitz.

@Swarmlord, I guess he was the last sensible unit....

Lascannon Predator 160 ish

Deadshot wrote:Can I have a link to that page please?I have been looking for that.


As a GC,he is Apoc,so illegal in this thread.But he could kick the Swarmlord in the 'urty bitz.

Just downloaded Imperial Armour Apoc from 4shared.


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Sam__theRelentless wrote:@Swarmlord, I guess he was the last sensible unit....

Lascannon Predator 160 ish

Last sensible unit? Did you not see me post R'alai?

and 2 XV88-140

Deathleaper pops in and shoots 2 Str6 shots into them,rending on 5+-140.If somehow you manage to not kill him,he charges and slaughters them

Plain IG Infantry Platoon-130

Vindcator with siege shield,Extra armour-135

Furioso with blood fists and magma grapple-140

Bike squad with 2 meltas and melta bombs-115

So who am I fighting?

Any way,3 Hive Guard-150

4 Kabalite Trueborn- 4 blasters
Venom w/ Dual Splinter Cannon
173

That is 2 units.

But I will bite.

2 zoanthropes in a Spod with Venom Cannon-180

9 DC-180

Taking a guess I skimmed nid codex once I dont fully know if this would work.

2 squads of 5 stormtroopers with one plasma gun and one with a meltagun for each squad- 220 points. A bit over the top, but it lets my opponet fight 2 squads who can be a serious threat.

Only allowed 1 squad.But you are not the first.

Devastator squad with 4 PC,including a SG with Combi-Plasma and Power weapon-215

10 genestealers with sything talons and adrenal glands - 190

Callidus Assassin-160ish I think

2 zoanthropes with mycetic spore-160

Dev squad with 4 ML and a SDG with combi-melta-160

sterns in DP 160 points

Tyranids? Tyranids. wrote:I'd like to see another HQ take out the Swarm lord.

any gk hq could do it easy. psykout grenades, he's I 1 and force weapon causes instant death. take an inquisitor and a unit of termies with brotherhood banner and you dont need a psychic test to activate force weapons. one shotted for the same points or less.

let the OP comments begin

oh and at sterns unit,

monolith 235

las pred - around 160 i think

Voidraven Bomber with NS and FF. 165

Psybolt dreadnought w 2 x TL autocannons

135

Broadside Battlesuit
Drone Controller 2x shield drones

100 pts

Kura wrote:Broadside Battlesuit
Drone Controller 2x shield drones

100 pts

2x FK

Space marine chapter master-125.

HIf he manages to Orb Bomb you,then you are dead.

Dedrith wrote:In memory of Kogwar's very successful thread, I have been given permission to recreate it.

How to play: Post a unit to beat the last unit posted, this unit should follow the rules of Warhammer 40k and it has to be somewhat close to the point cost of the previous unit posted, preferably less.

The Rules:
-No orbital Strikes
-No Apocalypse units.
-Units can compose of 1-5 squads of the same unit, no more.
-try your best to keep the point value of your units under 1500; with no Apocalypse, this shouldn't be a problem.
-You must post the point value along with a unit.
-I may reset the unit if things get out of hand.
-Units may be taken with their Deticated Transports, with the exception of Land Raiders (land raiders may still be used, just not with another unit)
-Guardsman Marbo may no longer be posted, he's great I know, but he's coming up too often.

Orbital Bonbardelments are out.

Two CCS with missile launchers- 130

Xv9 w/ fusion cascades -115 ish

That is so unfair.Sm and Tyr have no cheap long ranged weapons that are actually useful.Railguns can just blast anything and everything in either codex with no return threat.DE and eldar can easily get into range,and can spam dirt cheap weapons,while orks can take amssive amounts of models.Chaosd Daemons just pop up and unload a few Bolts of Tzeentch.Don't even get me started on Long Fangs.

Thatguyoverthere wrote:

Dedrith wrote:In memory of Kogwar's very successful thread, I have been given permission to recreate it.

How to play: Post a unit to beat the last unit posted, this unit should follow the rules of Warhammer 40k and it has to be somewhat close to the point cost of the previous unit posted, preferably less.

The Rules:
-No orbital Strikes
-No Apocalypse units.
-Units can compose of 1-5 squads of the same unit, no more.
-try your best to keep the point value of your units under 1500; with no Apocalypse, this shouldn't be a problem.
-You must post the point value along with a unit.
-I may reset the unit if things get out of hand.
-Units may be taken with their Deticated Transports, with the exception of Land Raiders (land raiders may still be used, just not with another unit)
-Guardsman Marbo may no longer be posted, he's great I know, but he's coming up too often.

Orbital Bonbardelments are out.

Two CCS with missile launchers- 130

He means the Orbital Bombardment special rule which comes with the Chapter Master. The Orbital Strike is a old Daemonhunter unit which could have easily been spammed in this thread.

3 Sentinels- 95 points

Deadshot wrote:That is so unfair.Sm and Tyr have no cheap long ranged weapons that are actually useful.Railguns can just blast anything and everything in either codex with no return threat.DE and eldar can easily get into range,and can spam dirt cheap weapons,while orks can take amssive amounts of models.Chaosd Daemons just pop up and unload a few Bolts of Tzeentch.Don't even get me started on Long Fangs.

Don't complain. Railguns and crisis suits are some of the only good things Tau have. Without those...they'd literally be incapable of winning without rolling all ones and sixes all game long, whichever is required for the current situation.


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Phantom wrote:3 Sentinels- 95 points

and 2 XV88-140

1o man Rough Rider squad- about 100 points

Vindicare Assassin

The Vindicare is 145

Callidus Assassin-about 155

moarmoarmoar wrote:Vindicare Assassin

3x Fire Knife-176

There is a Callidus Assassin.Take a number.

But versus the 3 Fireknives


5 Sternguard with Combi-meltas,Sgt with power fist-175

20 Boyz, 180 points.

Sluggas?Out ranged by Sternguard,and if you get in range,I rapid fire Hellfire rounds,cut through the armour and wound on 2+.Don't say you will be in cover,because I have cover ignoring Dragonfire Bolts.For ranges of 25"+,I havbe Kraken Bolts.I have you beat.

Monolith to both of the above mentioned units. 235

2 Masters of the Forge with Conversion beamers-120 each,240 in total.

2 Voidraven bombers 145 pts each so 290pts

Caetus Assault Ram-235

Big Mek w/Shokk attack gun in a unit of 30 Gretchin w/3 runtherds - 265

That is 2 different units.Not allowed.They have to be the same.

Caetus Assault Ram-235


soul grinder, tongue -160

tongue: str 10, ap 1, 24 inch, assault

I have a 36" Flat out move,and the Combination of AV 13,being a tank and the Caetus Ram special rule means that I only have to move 18" for a Str 10 hit,that rolls 2D6 for Armour pen,and I get a 5++ from.I am a fast tank slkkimmer,immune to melta,have an 18" range melta blast,and carry 10 PA,artificer or Termy armoured models.

Then my 2 void ravens would destroy that ram super quick

Don't even need two of them, one would do it.

I can catch you and your supersonicness with my after burners.If I ram you at 18",then that is a Str10,2D6 pen hit on your AV 12.I,on the other hand,take a Str6 hit,which won't even scratch my paint.Even if I don't ram tyou,I have a Str 8,AP 1 melta blast to put through you.Which I can fire at 12" move because I am a Fast Skimmer.


So against 1,I win.Against 2,maybe,maybe not.

Who says you can get close enough?

If I don't shoot, you might have a chance.


Anyway, not going too argue over a forum game.

@ Soul Grinder: 5 Assault terminators w/TH and SS :200 pts

Vulkabn He'stan=190

So what 4 S6 power weapon attacks
Versus 10 Strength 8 attacks with a chance too stun you, and one wound instant kills you.

I strike first,hitting on 3+,wounding on 2+,with only the SS to save you.

You hit on 4+,wound on 2+,and I have a 3++.If I survive,then it would be either a draw or you would need a morale test,possibly meaning you fall back.


If it is my trun,then I have my HF to maybe get in a kill,followed by 5 attacks.

That was giving you first turn and assault. If I get first turn I get 15 attacks hitting on 4's killing on 2's, you get 3 attacks.

You can't ever get more than 4 attacks with a relic blade.

If you get the assault you would on average:
Hit twice
Wound twice
I'll on average save once-twice

I would:
hit 5 times
Wound 4 times
you fail you inv save twice


Face it, Vulkan's dead, twice, even WITH the assault

Dice roll differently than you would expect.

2 seperate land speeder storms each with assault cannon.

3x attack bikes w/ MM, 150

Infantry Platoon

Platoon Command Squad
*Defualt *

x2 Infantry squad
-Sergeant with laspistol and chainsword

-7 guardsmen with lasguns

-heavy weapons team w/ autocannon

150 points

AC/LC predator with Stormbolter and HK,Extra Armour-155

Wraithlord with BL and WS

140

Black Templar Predator Anihilator w/Lascannon side sponsons - extra armour - 150 points

Wraithlord with bright lance and Wraithsword


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shame over me


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oh look it still works against your pred toastadandy

Carifex-160

SM Bikers, 2x plas, powerfist, 145 points

Doom of Malan'tai in a SPOD with TL Deathspitter-130

4 fiends of slaanesh, rending claws -120

1 Canoness in a negligee with a butter knife


Because SoB's in lingerie make a fiend stupid.

lol you found my weakness nooooo

Nightbringer 360
Time to get the point values back up otherwise its going to get real boring real fast.

10 man Sterguard Squad in a Drop Pod.

Hello wound on 2+ Bolters...

isn't it 4+?

30 ork boyz, with nob fully kittet (without eavy armor)

220

5 man dominion squad W/Veteran sister superior (power weapon, bolt pistol, rosarius), 4 flamers, immolator DT- 206

NOOOOOOO!.I had my mega Tyrant to take on the Nightbringer!WHY!

then i will post the nightbringer again. 360 points.

Hive Tyrant with Lash Whip and Bonesword,Heavy Venom Cannon,Adrenal Gland,Acid Blood,Toxic Miasma,Regeneration,Thorax Swarm with Desiccator Larvae,OA,toxin sacs.-315


Cheaer than my normal Tyrant.My normal one has Hive Commander(1v1,so useless),Indescribible Horror(you are fearless),and Implant attack(immune to ID,useless).I normally never field Toxin Sacs on anything other than Termagants and Hormagaunts and Gargs,as they wound guard on a 4+ anyway,so all they do now is wound everything else on a 4+,with rerolls on T3.



Edit:Wooohooo!1500 posrts,up to Carnifex.!

Deadshot wrote:Hive Tyrant with Lash Whip and Bonesword,Heavy Venom Cannon,Adrenal Gland,Acid Blood,Toxic Miasma,Regeneration,Thorax Swarm with Desiccator Larvae,OA,toxin sacs.-315


Cheaer than my normal Tyrant.My normal one has Hive Commander(1v1,so useless),Indescribible Horror(you are fearless),and Implant attack(immune to ID,useless).I normally never field Toxin Sacs on anything other than Termagants and Hormagaunts and Gargs,as they wound guard on a 4+ anyway,so all they do now is wound everything else on a 4+,with rerolls on T3.



Edit:Wooohooo!1500 posrts,up to Carnifex.!

3x XV9 w/ fusion cascades, TA-375

Up to 18 melta hits per turn.

9x TH/SS Termies, 360 points

2 vindicare assassins-290

9x Meganobz, 3 w/ Kombi-Skorcha- 375 points.

Double wounds, Skorchas for added wound addition (plus the twin-linked Shootas) and PKs mean they're swingin' at the same time- we have twice as many wounds you need to do, so even though they might die, you still go down.

You got Ninja'd,by me.I already killed the Termies by parking 36" away,and removing 1 a turn with shield breaker.

Dangit. Well, the Meganobz might be able to take on those Vindicare?

Yeah,likely.I out out some Turbo penetrators at 36",and kill 1 a turn(2 wounds on a 4+,with no invulnerable possessed by you),followed by a Hellfire,2+ to wound.I can pick out the Skorchas.

You are SNP,unlike the Termies,so that is longer to reach me.If you do reach me,I have blind(defensive)grenades,so you don't gain the +1 attack.I stike first,hitting on 3+,wounding on 4+,with a 2+ armour save.
By this time,probably around turn 6,you will have 1-2 guys left.

That is 3-6 attacks,hitting on 4+(leaving 1.5-3)woundong on 2+,leaving 1.25-2.5 wounds.I negate half with a 4++.leaving 0.75-1.25 wounds.So,you will kill me,depending on whether you have 1 or 2 guys left,but then my other assassin can open fire again.

I have won.

Sorry couldnt resist. This is Milo.
He was horus's cat in the heresy but all the fluff was hidden away. Peace hope i.don't get done for this

Sam__theRelentless wrote:9x TH/SS Termies, 360 points

Is that a joke? they are pretty much the ideal targets for XV9s with fusion cascades.


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@ Milo, a puppy for 3000pts.

im2randomghgh wrote:Milo...

Sam__theRelentless wrote:
@ Milo, a puppy for 3000pts.

Milo is apoc, therefore it cant be used :(

Im pretty sure we dont want to go "Beat this Apoc Formation"

Alright then, back on track, Shas'O R'alai and 3 XV9s with Phased Ion Guns-545

I want to say deciver 300 but im not too sure what your equipment does.

im2randomghgh wrote:Alright then, back on track, Shas'O R'alai and 3 XV9s with Phased Ion Guns-545

Leman Russ x 3: 450

2 carnifexi with Frag Spines,Adrenal Glands,Bioplasma,Regeneration-440

nemesis dreadknight w/nemisis greatsword

How much?

130

With the greatsword?A plain one is 130,I know for a fact,but upgrade prices I am not sure about.

whupps sorry 155. 25 for greatsword

ok.Kor'sarro Khan-160.My 6s to wound will insta-kill you,which is what I need anyway.I will hit first,and on a 3+.You will get your 5++,but slim chance of survival.

Deadshot wrote:ok.Kor'sarro Khan-160.My 6s to wound will insta-kill you,which is what I need anyway.I will hit first,and on a 3+.You will get your 5++,but slim chance of survival.

Yeah, and he will instakill you back with all his attacks

Good job

Deadshot wrote:ok.Kor'sarro Khan-160.My 6s to wound will insta-kill you,which is what I need anyway.I will hit first,and on a 3+.You will get your 5++,but slim chance of survival.

Ravager - 105

6 screamers of tzeentch -96

jaws act like melta bombs

Paladin - 55

Jabbdo wrote:

Deadshot wrote:ok.Kor'sarro Khan-160.My 6s to wound will insta-kill you,which is what I need anyway.I will hit first,and on a 3+.You will get your 5++,but slim chance of survival.

Yeah, and he will instakill you back with all his attacks

Good job

I am faster,so if I ID him,then he won't be attacking back.


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Zoanthrope-60

10 Orks W/shootas - 60

15 slugga boyz - 90 points

Venom W/extra splinter cannon - 65

Land speeder with MM-60

10 ork boyz W/shootas - 60

Biovore-45

Blood Crusher- 40 points

Land speeder with MM-60

Hydra Flak Tank - 75

Predator with Hunter Killer and extra armour-85

Infantry squad W/Lascannon - 75 (I think?)

hammerhead gunship with disruption pods, rail gun, burst cannons and multi tracker 155

A bit of a jump much? Try to keep it at least below 150% of the cost....

Anyway, Ironclad Dreadnought in DP, 180 I think.

5x Long Fangs (4x MM) 115

Autarch
w/ Jetbike, Mandiblaster, Laser lance, Fusion gun - 140pts.

Iranna.

Space Marine Captain with Relic Blade,Combi-Melta,Hellfire rounds and Aux Grenade Launcher-160.

Deadshot wrote:Space Marine Captain with Relic Blade,Combi-Melta,Hellfire rounds and Aux Grenade Launcher-160.

I think I win...

Iranna.

No.For you to be in range of the fusion gun,I would be in range for my Meltashot(ID),and rapid fire range.You bike's +1 toughness wouldn't help against hellfire.If you managed to get in range of my rapid fire or melta,then my Grenade launcher is also in range.If you get wounded by a Krak Grenade,then ID.If you get in range for the Laser lance,then that means you will be in charge range,even if you then move away.

In assault,you would hit first,but half of you attacks(2.5),would miss,and 2/3 wouldn't wound(0.83). After armour saves(because you don't have a power weapon,I would be wounded 0.2777777777777 times.

I have then 3 attacks.Half miss,1/6 doesn't wound,and you have a 4++,so have a saved.That means you will be wounded 0.625 times.You would need to wound me 3 times,where as my Str 6 Relic Blade would ID you.

If I charge,you results diminish to 0.1666666666 wounds, because you would only have 3 attacks.

My results would increase to 0.833333333,because of my extra attack.

If you try to out run me,you won't get in range,so it will draw.

Deadshot wrote:No.For you to be in range of the fusion gun,I would be in range for my Meltashot(ID),and rapid fire range.You bike's +1 toughness wouldn't help against hellfire.If you managed to get in range of my rapid fire or melta,then my Grenade launcher is also in range.If you get wounded by a Krak Grenade,then ID.If you get in range for the Laser lance,then that means you will be in charge range,even if you then move away.

In assault,you would hit first,but half of you attacks(2.5),would miss,and 2/3 wouldn't wound(0.83). After armour saves(because you don't have a power weapon,I would be wounded 0.2777777777777 times.

I have then 3 attacks.Half miss,1/6 doesn't wound,and you have a 4++,so have a saved.That means you will be wounded 0.625 times.You would need to wound me 3 times,where as my Str 6 Relic Blade would ID you.

If I charge,you results diminish to 0.1666666666 wounds, because you would only have 3 attacks.

My results would increase to 0.833333333,because of my extra attack.

If you try to out run me,you won't get in range,so it will draw.

Right. We shall call it a draw. As I could just fly away and you could bump me if you got the charge.

I'll see your Captain, and raise you an Avatar of Khaine. (155pts.)

Iranna.

I'll call.3 Tyrani Shrikes with Boneswords and Lash whips-160


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Where is my post?!

damnit. i got ninjad
and wtf? did we just make an invisible page?

Ghasghkull - 225

I think so.

Caetus assualt ram-235

Deadshot wrote:I think so.

Caetus assualt ram-235

No apoc stuff dude, sorry.

Not even the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT?

Though seriously, against gazgul? Probably a Nightbringer -360 points

Venom W/extra splinter cannon - 65

Vendetta -130 pts (I think)

woodbok wrote:

Deadshot wrote:I think so.

Caetus assualt ram-235

No apoc stuff dude, sorry.

Not Apocalypse.


http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine_Aircraft/CAESTUS-ASSAULT-RAM.html


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So there is still a Caetus to beat,because the Night Bringer ain't.

There's Tau forge world stuff being used, so it counts.

Hydra Flak Tank Battery (3X Hydras) 225 pts

3 Zoanthropes in a Spod with Stinger Salvo-230

Damn. Ninja'd.

Sunstorm Squadron (3 Prisms) - 245pts.

Iranna.

What is that?

Fire prism squadron.

Iranna.

Of how many?

Infantry Platoon.........................................265
Command Squad - Lascannon
Infantry Squad - Lascannon
Infantry Squad - Lascannon
Heavy Weapons Squad - Lascannon X3

Stromraven Gunship with Typhoon missile launcher,Plas Cannon,Extra armour and Hurricaine sponsons-280

There's 6 lascannons pointing at you.

Stormraven go bye bye.
vs. Guard:
30 Orks w/shootas and 3 big shootas - 210

Not if I deep strike in and level most of your stuff with 2 frag missiles,a TL Plas Cannon and 12 bolter shots.


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Edit:And my 4 missiles.

woodbok wrote:Stormraven go bye bye.
vs. Guard:
30 Orks w/shootas and 3 big shootas - 210

Land Raider Redeemer: 240pts

Back to SR,but with TL MM and TL LC, and extra armour-215

Deadshot wrote:Not if I deep strike in and level most of your stuff with 2 frag missiles,a TL Plas Cannon and 12 bolter shots.
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Edit:And my 4 missiles.

You can only shoot at 1 squad per turn
Sore loser?

Ninja'd

Vindicare - 145

Toastedandy wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Not if I deep strike in and level most of your stuff with 2 frag missiles,a TL Plas Cannon and 12 bolter shots.
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Edit:And my 4 missiles.

You can only shoot at 1 squad per turn
Sore loser?


2 squads,POTMS.Not on the turn I come in,but I could fly in from reserve and outrange with missiles,or equal with misiles.

Ninja'd

Vindicare - 145

At the Vindicare-Callidus assassin.I have done that so many times in this thread it is becoming stupid.

20 Orkz w/sluggas - 120

Vindicator with Siege shield-125

Broadside - 70

5 Wolf Scouts 1 w/Meltagun - 85

10 Orkz w/shootas 60

space marine scouts - sniper rifles 75pts

Drop Pod - 35

Pariah - 36

Attack bike - 40

Razorback - 40

DT can't be fielded on their own,and they would not beat scouts,because the scouts can just move out of range of you,then pot shot.

Deadshot wrote:DT can't be fielded on their own,and they would not beat scouts,because the scouts can just move out of range of you,then pot shot.

Dude, stop arguing, and go with it. Post something to beat the next thing, not messing things up by arguing.

Hive Guard - 50

I want a thread that poasts a unit that can beat the next unit,if the last one can't do it,or is illegal,then I will comment.

@ the Scouts-Lictor-65


Edit:Ninja'd by Toastedandy,then by woodbok.

Venom - 55


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Deadshot wrote:I want a thread that poasts a unit that can beat the next unit,if the last one can't do it,or is illegal,then I will comment.

@ the Scouts-Lictor-65

We aren't on scouts, my post is venom, go from that.

Deadshot wrote:I want a thread that poasts a unit that can beat the next unit,if the last one can't do it,or is illegal,then I will comment.

Man, its just a game, you argue with anything that beats you, just deal with it.

Land Speeder - 50pts

Venoms poison can't hurt vehicles right?

Yep, poison can't hurt you.

Broadside - 70

10m Hromagaunts with Toxin sacs-80

Wraithlord w/ Wraithsword, Eldar Missle Launcher -125pts.

Edit: Wth was I thinking...

Iranna.

Sternguard squad-125

Fire Prism - 115pts.

Iranna.

5 long fangs, all with Missile Launchers - 115

Leman russ - 150

Wraithlord w/ Brightlance, EML - 155pts.

Iranna.

Avatar of Khaine-155

Nightbringer -360

Bit of a jump, try to keep them near the same points cost or under Cth.

Anyway,

Venom - 55pts.

Iranna.

What!So unfair.DE and Tau get to spam units that Nids or Sm have no hopes of beating,point for point!



Ranting continues.

Land Speeder with multi melta - 60
Venoms are the small things right? No anti-armor?

Vyper with Eldar Missile Launcher - 65pts.

Iranna.

6 Scarab Swarms with Disruption Fields - 96

Support Weapon Battery
w/ 3 Shadow Weavers - 90pts.

Iranna.

3 Destroyers - 150
Shadow Weavers are S6Ap- blast, right?

4 Shining Spears - 140pts.

Yes they are.

Iranna.

3 attack bikes with MMs-150

Support Weapon Battery with 3 D-Cannons - 150pts.

Iranna.

What is their range?

24", but I have 3 ablative wounds (the weapons and each weapon has 2 crew members).

Iranna.

Manticore Rocket Launcher - 160

Imperial Guard Platoon (command squad, x2 infantry squad, x2 lascannons ) 170pts

Harpy with Regeneration-175

Venom - 65

landspeeder w/ mm -60

2 Scout Sentinels with Autocannon - 80

Too many land speeders and venoms lol

3 long fangs, squad leader, 3 missiles - 90

2 Paladins w/ Halberds - 110

Ravager W/Disintegrators - 105

War walker w/ starcannon, bright lance -85

2 Wraiths - 82

2MM atack bikes-80

Deadshot wrote:2MM atack bikes-80

2x deathrain-86

Paladin w/Psycannon - 75pts

2 war walkers with Shuriken cannons 80 i think dont have CTH

War Walkers come to 80pts.

Wraithlord with Eldar Missile Launcher - 110pts.

Iranna.

5 hellions - 80

Fire Prism - 115pts.

Iranna.

5 Long Fangs, all missiles - 115

CthuluIsSpy wrote:5 Long Fangs, all missiles - 115

11 Stingwings.

im2randomghgh wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:5 Long Fangs, all missiles - 115

11 Stingwings.

6 Immortals -168

And points of Stingwings?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:5 Long Fangs, all missiles - 115

11 Stingwings.

6 Immortals -168

And points of Stingwings?

121 I believe.

@ Immortals, 3x Fireknife-176

im2randomghgh wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:5 Long Fangs, all missiles - 115

11 Stingwings.

6 Immortals -168

And points of Stingwings?

121 I believe.

@ Immortals, 3x Fireknife-176

What's a fireknife?

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:5 Long Fangs, all missiles - 115

11 Stingwings.

6 Immortals -168

And points of Stingwings?

121 I believe.

@ Immortals, 3x Fireknife-176

What's a fireknife?

Tau Crisis suit with Missile Pod and Plasma rifle+ Multi tracker.

Fireknife is shorter.

im2randomghgh wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What's a fireknife?

Tau Crisis suit with Missile Pod and Plasma rifle+ Multi tracker.

Fireknife is shorter.

Could you post what it is instead of whats shorter, not many people know what a fireknife is.

Grey hunters X10, 2 melta, drop pod - 195

Toastedandy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What's a fireknife?

Tau Crisis suit with Missile Pod and Plasma rifle+ Multi tracker.

Fireknife is shorter.

Could you post what it is instead of whats shorter, not many people know what a fireknife is.

Grey hunters X10, 2 melta, drop pod - 195

Umm...not sure if you've noticed, but EVERY SINGLE ARMY does this, what does land raider redeemer say about it's weapon loadouts?

And fireknife is known by the majority of players, being the most common crisis suit configuration.

anyways, 2x XV9s with phased ion guns-210

Trygon - 200

im2randomghgh wrote:
Umm...not sure if you've noticed, but EVERY SINGLE ARMY does this, what does land raider redeemer say about it's weapon loadouts?

And fireknife is known by the majority of players, being the most common crisis suit configuration.

anyways, 2x XV9s with phased ion guns-210

woah, you mad bro? I never heard of a firekife, is that what it says in the codex entry?

Land Raider Reedemer is what it says on the box.

Toastedandy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Umm...not sure if you've noticed, but EVERY SINGLE ARMY does this, what does land raider redeemer say about it's weapon loadouts?

And fireknife is known by the majority of players, being the most common crisis suit configuration.

anyways, 2x XV9s with phased ion guns-210

woah, you mad bro? I never heard of a firekife, is that what it says in the codex entry?

Land Raider Reedemer is what it says on the box.

IA III the taros campaign.

Also, I can guarantee you have never played against Tau ever if you don't know what fireknife is. If you have played against tau, you're either trolling or have alzheimers.

No he playing against a guy who calls his crisis suits, crisis suits.


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No he is playing somebody who calls his crisis suits, crisis suits.


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No he is playing sombody who calls his crisis suits, crisis suits.

Am I and others expected to know the name of an elite choice, for an under represented army, in an imperial armour book?

I am not trolling, I simply asked if you could post what it is/has if its obscure or in a forgeworld book.

Or are you too proud to take a little advice.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Umm...not sure if you've noticed, but EVERY SINGLE ARMY does this, what does land raider redeemer say about it's weapon loadouts?

And fireknife is known by the majority of players, being the most common crisis suit configuration.

anyways, 2x XV9s with phased ion guns-210

woah, you mad bro? I never heard of a firekife, is that what it says in the codex entry?

Land Raider Reedemer is what it says on the box.

IA III the taros campaign.

Also, I can guarantee you have never played against Tau ever if you don't know what fireknife is. If you have played against tau, you're either trolling or have alzheimers.

I can't find the XV9s in IA3, so I can't give a correct counter to the unit....

As for your thing about the fireknifes, calm down man. No one is gonna know what I fireknife is unless they read the Tau codex, someone i play against regularly has played tau, and another I play against and talk with on a fairly regular basis plays tau, and they both use that suit combination, and they've never refered to them as "fireknifes". Point is, don't you codex specific nicknames for units. Most people will know them by their codex entry names. Such as the Redeemer and Crusader. These are Land Raider varients that specificly have their pattern names in codex entries.

Leman Russ Executioner w/ Plasma Cannon Sponsons - 230

It will be.....

3 Crisis Battlesuits w/ Fusion Blasters, Missile Pods, and Multi-Trackers - 162 (separate units)

Predator with TL Lascannon and 2 sponson Lascannon and Hunter Killer-175

Edit: Woops got ninja'd
Leman Russ Vanquisher w/ hull LC, Pask - 220

Teufelhunde wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Umm...not sure if you've noticed, but EVERY SINGLE ARMY does this, what does land raider redeemer say about it's weapon loadouts?

And fireknife is known by the majority of players, being the most common crisis suit configuration.

anyways, 2x XV9s with phased ion guns-210

woah, you mad bro? I never heard of a firekife, is that what it says in the codex entry?

Land Raider Reedemer is what it says on the box.

IA III the taros campaign.

Also, I can guarantee you have never played against Tau ever if you don't know what fireknife is. If you have played against tau, you're either trolling or have alzheimers.

I can't find the XV9s in IA3, so I can't give a correct counter to the unit....

As for your thing about the fireknifes, calm down man. No one is gonna know what I fireknife is unless they read the Tau codex, someone i play against regularly has played tau, and another I play against and talk with on a fairly regular basis plays tau, and they both use that suit combination, and they've never refered to them as "fireknifes". Point is, don't you codex specific nicknames for units. Most people will know them by their codex entry names. Such as the Redeemer and Crusader. These are Land Raider varients that specificly have their pattern names in codex entries.

Redeemer and Crusader are also codex-specific nicknames for a variant of a unit. They hae their own entries so that GW can make more money. Redeemer tells me nothing about the weapon loadout, FLGS players just tell me what weapons they have.

If anyone had bothered to actually look before simply asking, they would have found it.

Sorry for the IA III confusion, that's a referrence to Fireknives, XV9s were IAA II. Their stats:

Points: 75

WS3 BS3 S5 T5 W2 I3 A2 Ld8 Sv3+

Equipment:

Vectored retro thrusters, Multi-tracker +1 compulsory support system, 2 tl BC (so four in total)

Options:

May exchange one or both of it's TL BCs for:

Phased Ion Guns: +10 pts each

Fusion Cascade: +15 pts each

Pulse Submunitions rifle: +20 points each

Special Rules:

XV9 Armour:

-fluff-

Effect: XV9 armour has acute sense, deep strike, and photon casters built in (defensive grenades)

Survivors to the last:

-fluff-

Effect: They may always try to regroup regardless of casualties.

Weapons:

Burst Cannon: 18" Str5 AP5 Assault 3

Phased Ion Gun: 18" Str4 AP4 Assault 4 Rending

Fusion Cascade: 12" Str 6 AP1 Assult D3 Melta

Pulse Submunitions rifle: 24" Str5 AP5 Assault 1 5" blast no cover saves

1-3 XV9 Shas'vre count as one fast attack choice.

5 Stormtroopers with 2 meltaguns 105

Teufelhunde wrote:5 Stormtroopers with 2 meltaguns 105

Shas'O R'alai-225

point value dipping again,

3 destryers 150

Vendetta Gunship - 130

im2randomghgh wrote:

Teufelhunde wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Umm...not sure if you've noticed, but EVERY SINGLE ARMY does this, what does land raider redeemer say about it's weapon loadouts?

And fireknife is known by the majority of players, being the most common crisis suit configuration.

anyways, 2x XV9s with phased ion guns-210

woah, you mad bro? I never heard of a firekife, is that what it says in the codex entry?

Land Raider Reedemer is what it says on the box.

IA III the taros campaign.

Also, I can guarantee you have never played against Tau ever if you don't know what fireknife is. If you have played against tau, you're either trolling or have alzheimers.

I can't find the XV9s in IA3, so I can't give a correct counter to the unit....

As for your thing about the fireknifes, calm down man. No one is gonna know what I fireknife is unless they read the Tau codex, someone i play against regularly has played tau, and another I play against and talk with on a fairly regular basis plays tau, and they both use that suit combination, and they've never refered to them as "fireknifes". Point is, don't you codex specific nicknames for units. Most people will know them by their codex entry names. Such as the Redeemer and Crusader. These are Land Raider varients that specificly have their pattern names in codex entries.

Redeemer and Crusader are also codex-specific nicknames for a variant of a unit. They hae their own entries so that GW can make more money. Redeemer tells me nothing about the weapon loadout, FLGS players just tell me what weapons they have.

If anyone had bothered to actually look before simply asking, they would have found it.

Sorry for the IA III confusion, that's a referrence to Fireknives, XV9s were IAA II. Their stats:

Points: 75

WS3 BS3 S5 T5 W2 I3 A2 Ld8 Sv3+

Equipment:

Vectored retro thrusters, Multi-tracker +1 compulsory support system, 2 tl BC (so four in total)

Options:

May exchange one or both of it's TL BCs for:

Phased Ion Guns: +10 pts each

Fusion Cascade: +15 pts each

Pulse Submunitions rifle: +20 points each

Special Rules:

XV9 Armour:

-fluff-

Effect: XV9 armour has acute sense, deep strike, and photon casters built in (defensive grenades)

Survivors to the last:

-fluff-

Effect: They may always try to regroup regardless of casualties.

Weapons:

Burst Cannon: 18" Str5 AP5 Assault 3

Phased Ion Gun: 18" Str4 AP4 Assault 4 Rending

Fusion Cascade: 12" Str 6 AP1 Assult D3 Melta

Pulse Submunitions rifle: 24" Str5 AP5 Assault 1 5" blast no cover saves

1-3 XV9 Shas'vre count as one fast attack choice.

Thanks for telling me what they are, but the Redeemer and Crusader are not codex spefic nicknames, just like the Demolisher isn't a codex specific nickname for a Russ. Its a varient of the base tank with its own codex entry. It cannot be made using upgrades on the base model, like the suits can. They come pre-built with little to no variation in their weapon loadout. You be more accurate in saying that a Predator Destructor or Predator Annihilator is a codex nickname, as they're both predators with a designation decided upon the loadout chosen by the player. In the end, they're the same exact tank, you just paid more points to swap out guns.

Land Raiders can't swap out guns. Calling a Redeemer a Redeemer tells you all you need to know. It has a pair of S6 AP3 flamers as sponsons, and it has an Assault Cannon in the hull. You can't change that, ever. A Demolisher is a Leman Russ, and again, tells you exatly what the tank is and its main gun. A demolisher carries (surprise) a demolisher cannon, and has a higher rear armor than a LRMBT. If they have their own sepperate entry in the codex army list, most people will recognize it by its name. The firknife doesn't have that luxury. Its an XV8 Suit witha load out that can be changed. If the Fireknife had its own entry in the tau army list, then people would regocnize it. However....it doesn't.

Not to sound like a jerk, but are you picking up what I'm puttin down?

im2randomghgh wrote:
Redeemer and Crusader are also codex-specific nicknames for a variant of a unit. They have their own entries so that GW can make more money.

im2randomghgh wrote:Redeemer tells me nothing about the weapon loadout, FLGS players just tell me what weapons they have.

The codex entry also tells you.

15 Genestealers - 210

im2randomghgh wrote:
Redeemer and Crusader are also codex-specific nicknames for a variant of a unit. They have their own entries so that GW can make more money. Redeemer tells me nothing about the weapon loadout, FLGS players just tell me what weapons they have.

If anyone had bothered to actually look before simply asking, they would have found it.

Redeemer and crusader land raider variants are not nicknames. They are actual unit entries not wargear upgrades. You should know what they are without your opponent explaining to you what they have.
Sh!t like the "derpknife" and "durrsun" variants are NOT legal codex entries and ARE worthless nicknames. Stick to the codex names. It's like someone going "Yeah this is my Emperor's Raiders SWAT squad. What? No, that's totally their legit name. Oh you mean what it ACTUALLY is? A tactical squad."

10 Tactical Marines w/ a flamer 170

Purifier x10 – Incinerator x4, Hammer x1 - 245

Ninja'd

Warbuggies w/TL rokkits X3 - 105

Darn you, changing Gahzkul....

Devastators w/ 4 rockets 170 (DA-Style)

MM attack bike-50pts.

Wouild annihilate Ghraz,he could never catchh it.Here is my actual units.


5 seperate MM attack bikes-250

GK Storm Raven MM/LC - 205

Shrike and co
Shrike
5 vanguard - 1w/thunder hammer - 340

massive jump in points, but all these small units are boring.

Belial and Friends 400
Belial w/ LC, 2 Termies w/ LC one as apothacary, 3 Termies w/ THSS one w/ company banner

Ghazghull and chums 405 pts
Ghazghull - 4 MANz - 4 w/combi rokkits

EDIT: Nevermind....I thought about it and figured it out....Mega-Armored Nobz, yes?

Sorry, Mega armoured nobz, basically a nob in terminator armour with powerklaw

I gotta be honest....Im not sure that group could beat Belial and his squad. Ork Rokkits are AP3, right? That would mean even if you hit, I have my 2+ armor, and even if you charge, the company banner gives my guys +1A, so I end up with 13 LCs before your Nobz and Gahzy attack, and 9 TH attacks simul with them. In my case, the LCs would swing at the MANz just to deny them their attacks, and I'd leav the THs for Gahzkul.

I'd need to test roll it, but i honestly think Gahzkull and his boyz would lose that fight.

Edit: I just test rolled that fight, I don't know if you'd direct Gahzy's attacks at Belial or his squad, but without Gahzy's rolls I ended the rolling with all 4 MANz dead and a wound on Gahzkull, and none of my boys dead.

Edit 2: assumed Gahzy rolling against squads, to try to cause more fearless wounds on Belial and kill more troops. Either my dice hate orks or the dice gods favored my boys, because Gahzy didn't cause a single wound either.

End result of test rolls: Gahzy lost combat by 6. Leadership check on LD 3: Gahzkull fails and runs.

@ Ghrazy and MANz


Swarmlord with 2 Tyrant Guard-400

Ninja'd

Leman russ squadron............540pts
3 Leman Russ Punishers

60 S5 shots. tasty

Now we're talking! 2(seperate) Land Raiders with MM and HK-540

Ordnance battery - 570
3 Deathstrike missile launchers w/cam netting

3 LC/MM Stormravens(BA version)-600

Teufelhunde wrote:I gotta be honest....Im not sure that group could beat Belial and his squad. Ork Rokkits are AP3, right? That would mean even if you hit, I have my 2+ armor, and even if you charge, the company banner gives my guys +1A, so I end up with 13 LCs before your Nobz and Gahzy attack, and 9 TH attacks simul with them. In my case, the LCs would swing at the MANz just to deny them their attacks, and I'd leav the THs for Gahzkul.

I'd need to test roll it, but i honestly think Gahzkull and his boyz would lose that fight.

Edit: I just test rolled that fight, I don't know if you'd direct Gahzy's attacks at Belial or his squad, but without Gahzy's rolls I ended the rolling with all 4 MANz dead and a wound on Gahzkull, and none of my boys dead.

Edit 2: assumed Gahzy rolling against squads, to try to cause more fearless wounds on Belial and kill more troops. Either my dice hate orks or the dice gods favored my boys, because Gahzy didn't cause a single wound either.

End result of test rolls: Gahzy lost combat by 6. Leadership check on LD 3: Gahzkull fails and runs.

Ain't Ghazzy fearless? Or Stubborn or something? Seems he ought to be, anyways.


@ Land Raiders- 8 Nob Bikers w/ PKs - 540

Dang, ninja'd. Can Bikers hit Stormravens, though? Cause if they can, they'd still win.

They can as its a skimmer

Draigo w/ 10 terminators - 675

Feel no PAINT?


Tyranid Prime with lash whip and Bonesword,deathspitter and adrenal glands, leading 9 warriors all with adrenal glands, toxin sacs, deathspitters and lash whip and bonesword and 1 venom cannon-630

3 Storm Ravens - 600

Plain ones?

Deadshot wrote:Plain ones?

Yeah, standard loadout

2 Trannofexes with rupture cannons,cluster spines, regeneration and adrenals in case I get a charge-600

10 Paladins, with hammers -550

10 assault termies lightning claws - 400 pts

2 squads of 10 eldar pathfinders (snipers that go ap1 on any roll of 5-6 to hit and still can rend on the to wound. have a 2+ cover save in standard cover)

480

Anvildude wrote:

Teufelhunde wrote:I gotta be honest....Im not sure that group could beat Belial and his squad. Ork Rokkits are AP3, right? That would mean even if you hit, I have my 2+ armor, and even if you charge, the company banner gives my guys +1A, so I end up with 13 LCs before your Nobz and Gahzy attack, and 9 TH attacks simul with them. In my case, the LCs would swing at the MANz just to deny them their attacks, and I'd leav the THs for Gahzkul.

I'd need to test roll it, but i honestly think Gahzkull and his boyz would lose that fight.

Edit: I just test rolled that fight, I don't know if you'd direct Gahzy's attacks at Belial or his squad, but without Gahzy's rolls I ended the rolling with all 4 MANz dead and a wound on Gahzkull, and none of my boys dead.

Edit 2: assumed Gahzy rolling against squads, to try to cause more fearless wounds on Belial and kill more troops. Either my dice hate orks or the dice gods favored my boys, because Gahzy didn't cause a single wound either.

End result of test rolls: Gahzy lost combat by 6. Leadership check on LD 3: Gahzkull fails and runs.

Ain't Ghazzy fearless? Or Stubborn or something? Seems he ought to be, anyways.


@ Land Raiders- 8 Nob Bikers w/ PKs - 540

Dang, ninja'd. Can Bikers hit Stormravens, though? Cause if they can, they'd still win.

Seems like he should be, but he has the Mob Rule. That's his only connection to fearless or stubborn. He doesn't even have an invuln....just a 2+ and EW. His only invuln is on his Waaaagh turn, then its a 2++.

And i did my math wrong anyways. He lost by 8, he needed snake eyes to stay. He'd probably only have lost by 7 on a waaaagh turn...

Now, as for those eldar pathfinders...
2 squadrons of 3 Hellhounds each. 780 pts

"There is no 'Overkill'. There is only 'Opening fire!', and 'Reloading!'."

Aha! Wrong! Ghazzy does have an Invuln! 5++ from Cybork, to be exact.

And for those Hellhounds... Am I save in assuming they're armed with Template weapons?

Full squad of Tankbustas- 14 Bustaboyz, Nob w/ Rokkits & Eavy Armour, 3 Bomb Squigs- 255 points.

Can you take two squadrons in a single FoC slot? Regardless, the Squigs can fire on a separate target, and the Rokkits outrange you.

Ah, you are correct anvil. I missed that in his wargear entry. I knew something was wrong when Ghazy didn't have in invuln....I was going "WTF???"

And yes, Hellhounds are the IG flame tanks that fire a S6 flamer at 12" out. Their effective range is 24" + the template.

As for the tank busters, you have to get close enough to be burned out to use the bomb squigs. Rolling that out, I ended with one squadron completely crippled(2 destroyed and last one missing its flamer) and with the bomb squigs you bombed one of your own vehicles and made it so 2 stunned 2 more hell hounds.

The appropriate response then is to tank shock them with the hellhound missing its flamer and then burn it with the unscathed hellhound. That will knock the squad down to needing a ld check w/o the mod rule benefit.

2 Nemesis Dreadknights - Heavy Psycannon, Daemon Hammer, Teleporter - 510

10 Assault termies with TH/SS and a Libby in Termie armor with SS, Epistolary, Might of the Ancients and Null Zone 590

strickly speaking the dreadknights can just jump around and shoot Heavy Psycannon at you to death, but whatever.

Infantry Platoon
Command Squad - melta x4 - 70
Chimera - 55
Infantry Squads x4 - Commisar PW x5, GL x5 - 305
HWT x3 - AC - 75
HWT x3 - LC - 105

Total - 610

"Strictly speaking" the Tankbustas didn't average enough damage to crack my hellhound squadrons and Gahzy and his MANz were wrecked by lightning claws before they could swing back in test rolls.

Besides, Dreadknights are on those huge bases....jump 12" all you want, but unless you run i can close the distance sooner or later. And...my termies are unbelieveably lucky...

As for your Platoon of guardsmen, I counter with this:
LR Squadron 450 pts
2x LRMBTs, no upgrades.

Very well

2 squadrons of Vendetta Gunship x2 - 520

Ah, right, forgot the Tankhammers. Silly of me, really. They're free, though, so 2 free Tankhammers... Could've added the Powerklaw to the Nob, then those three are the ones that use the Squigs...

And are you actually rolling these out once? Or are you taking averages and Mathhammering it? Just curious.

I'm actually rolling these out to see what happens. With the Tankbustas I assumed they were just shooting as they didn't have the tank hammers in your post. WITH the tank hammers.....well...I'm not gonna roll my poor hellhounds' demise.

Of course, we're also doing all of this in a vacuum, wher the unit that 'beats' the other unit gets the drop on their victim. In a real game, I'd mark those tankbustas as a very high priority and try to burn em before they get the chance to fire.

To the Vendetta squadrons, I offer you this::
Vulkan on field + 10 DP Sternguard with 8 combi-meltas and 2 meltas
Total: 525 points.

Jackster wrote:Very well

2 squadrons of Vendetta Gunship x2 - 520

3 squadrons of 1 Hydra tanks, 2 squadrons of 2, so 7 in total-525

GKT x6 w/ 1 Psycannon and 1 Hammer
GK techmarine w/ Psychotroke, Rad and Stave
LRC w/ MM
670 total

I know LR would just roll over the Hydras, but that would be boring.

Ravager - 105

Lone wolf,,, storm shield, chain fist, terminator armour, 2 fenrisian wolves, 2+,3+ eternal warior and feel no pain 2 wounds for 105 points...

15 shoota boyz, 90pts.

Venom - 55

Back to the double digits >.>

Big Mek w/Kustom force field and kustom mega blasta - 100pts

Back to double digits.

10 Orkz with shootas - 60