The new Tau are finally out! What do people think?!

Saw your post and went on GWs website and looked, Im pretty unimpressed. I was hoping for something cool enough to pull me into buying tau but didnt see anything I really liked.

Its kind of cool they are starting to sell sets of armies, but the price tag is insane.

 Rotgut wrote:
Saw your post and went on GWs website and looked, Im pretty unimpressed. I was hoping for something cool enough to pull me into buying tau but didnt see anything I really liked.

Its kind of cool they are starting to sell sets of armies, but the price tag is insane.

They finally listed the new tau product. What should my army consist of. I only have around 200$ But my birthday is in a few months what should I do!

I am slightly unimpressed too. There is really nothing new. And the new things that there are are very expensive.

Pretty much all the stuff we have known about for a week now...nothing spectacular. I am particularly unimpressed by the new broadsides...they are having an identity crisis for sure...they obviously can't figure out if they are heavy artillery or snipers.

The flier is meh, especially the fighter variant. The fire warrior commander is also uninspiring. his pose doesn't make any sense and his expression is derpy.

ThE tyranid launch bundle is a joke...$880? Thanks, ill go to ebay and get an army worth having...three carnifexes and four warrior broods? Yeah, super useful.

Buy nothing until you've read the codex. I'm astounded that GW actually manages to sell large numbers of models to people who have no idea how the units actually work.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Buy nothing until you've read the codex. I'm astounded that GW actually manages to sell large numbers of models to people who have no idea how the units actually work.

Keep in mind many people either play casual or narrative games, or don't even play the game at all, just paint and army build. Those people probably won't care what the rules are, they will just care that the models look cool.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Buy nothing until you've read the codex. I'm astounded that GW actually manages to sell large numbers of models to people who have no idea how the units actually work.

Because some people buy them for collecting/painting/modelling, where their hobby doesn't begin and end with mathhammer...?

EDIT: damn, ninja'd

XV104 Battle Suit guaranteed to blow a hole in your .... wallet.

Based on discussion on a 40k facebook group i'm a member of, this bundle is almost 20 dollars more than buying everything individually. 713 vs 693 usd.

would it kill them to make the packages just a little cheaper, even like rounding down a little, like 400 for the battlesuit collection. my OCD is raging right now

Was hoping for new crisis suits, not buy two get one free.

With the price of the book as well, going to stick with my Daemons.

I actually feel better about the bomber, it looks a little better than the original pictures and I think i will enjoy it

For once i am Impressed. time to dust off my fire warriors and stealth suits. (my tau are fond of stealth tech)

I am liking the Riptide model.. I pre-ordered that and the bomber.. Oh and the codex too.

Finally the Tau will rise again! Awesome new models and very interesting box sets(despite the prices) I cant wait to get the book!

The riptide head bother anyone else?

BrotherVord wrote:
ThE tyranid launch bundle is a joke...$880? Thanks, ill go to ebay and get an army worth having...three carnifexes and four warrior broods? Yeah, super useful.

The bundle for is the same army used in the White Dwarf battle report.

I feel like they have got more new flashy stuff then any other 6 ed so far.

It made me want to ally tau for my chaos and orks.

What did Tau really get as a new unit though?

Just Riptide and the Flyer?

 Makutsu wrote:
What did Tau really get as a new unit though?

Just Riptide and the Flyer?

Fireknives and two new special characters that we know of. It looks like some units also had major changes as well. Pathfinders have these crazy drones and what appears to be some super awesome Ion Rifles. Broadsides get some sort of special missile array. For some reason hammer heads can get these weird giant drones.

Ok just to get my opinion out there...

New command suits
It seems to me that the new suits don't share the old piece of body armor that covered both Torso and lower body. I'm impartial on this. To be honest I think I still prefer the "old" Crisis suits. The new command one's look somewhat too ... anime mech for me? I can't put it in words. Doesn't matter though, still really cool and more agile looking.

Riptide Suit
Same as the command suits, but still really friggin cool, at least from what the pictures show. Not sure how it'll look on the table, but as of now, pretty sweet!

Pathfinders
Now finally affordable and purchasable as a whole team. Unless I'm mistaken on that point, that's a step forward.

Bomber/Flyer
Not at all what I had expected, but still really cool. IMHO it captures that "drone" vibe that the Tau have and that 40k was somewhat missing.
EDIT: Just noticed the little cockpit/pilot glass thingy on the flyer, which I find to look completely out of place. It's like mixing a modern Drone with a WWII bomber. If I should get one, I'm probably leaving that part in the box...

Broadsides
Same change as with the Riptide and other new suits. Having them "hold" the Railgun looks pretty sweet compared to the shoulder mounted, but the rocket Broadside just looks kinda absurd imho. I mean, rocket hands and rockets on the shoulder? That's 3 sets of missile launchers right there. A bit too much for me from an aesthetic point of view.

Other than that, there's not much new except for some special characters I think.
All in all I guess it could have been different or better, but I think they did a pretty good job. Then again It's 5 am and I haven't slept in ever, so I might change my opinion once I'm not half dead...

Gotta admit... I love the new Tau. Lovely models, lovely rules(supposedly).

Even got the LTD Codex too

Lucarikx

Just ordered my stuff too, a few riptides, a couple fliers and some pathfinders, and a codex of course.

May wait for the broadsides, but I have a idea to make the missile armed one a bit better looking, maybe fit the weapon packs across its back/shoulders, and leave the hands free...will have to see what options are allowed.

these are the first models I have actually looked forward to building, the riptides will be fun to convert as well.

On the other models.

Command suit is nice, but due to finecast I will be putting that one down the list of to get.

Farsight, nice model, but never liked the character, so no go there.

Hope this is just the first wave for the codex.

Anyone else notice that the riptide is an elite (not heavy support)?

I am honestly, horrified, at what the "new" broadside looks like =/

I can't believe nobody noticed the new railgun broadside is basically an 8 bit guitar.

The rocket broadside should just have a crotch rocket already to add to the 50 bajillion missiles he already has. Also the giant missile on his back looks like a giant d*ck.

The broadsides in general from the rear look like they're powered by a gas powered pull motor like a weed-wacker or lawn-mower and the huge power core in the back may as well have flashing lights that scream 'SHOOT ME HERE STUPID!!!'.

The action pose for the new crisis suit commander looks like he should probably be positioned upright (he'll probably fall 50 bajillion times).

The new riptide model (surprised they didn't call it the XV-888) has a tiny head to the extent you imagine it's a midget's head on a giant's body with a little midget voice. I was also not particularly thrilled by the loadout.

The new drones might get some getting used to.

The new pathfinder set is excellent.

The lack of new auxiliary units is depressing.

The new bomber kit looks stupid.

The new characters are kind of fun.

I am somewhat interested in the new character that seems to be a tau commander outside of a suit. Not sure on abilities or if it's mostly to keep points low but i'm guessing abilities might be different.

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So this is what i take away from this. The new monstrous creature sized crisis suit is cool but looks awkward as most of the stuff. The pathfinder teams are excellent looking and have like 3 special weapons each for like 35 USD which seems good. The prices esp. for stuff like the riptide is insanely high. Also somebody needs to make a rock band with the new broadside railgun. Also 100 USD for a limited edition tau codex. GW wtf! They'll probably make all codexes for re-releases only be limited edition so people pay the insane prices. I can't even buy anything for the most part.

I'm actually disappointed with this release. I've checked out forge world's stuff with the XV-9 and practically begged for this. I was hoping tau would be a little ridiculous but more sleek. Instead of sleek we got blocky to the extent it may as well be rendered by the people that made tetris or something. Maybe i'm just not into tau. I will admit the idea of the riptide is cool but feels poorly executed with the tiny head a weird gear. Maybe tau just isn't for me even if the pathfinders look cool and a new monstrous creature sized battle suit is pretty awesome.

End rant.

Damn, those almost look good enough for me to consider breaking my moratorium on GW (their new NA trade policy broke the camel's back enough for me to start voting with my wallet). However, the interesting thing is that their price structure for a bunch of things doesn't look... horrible actually. The Crisis Suit bundle is basically a recut that saves you $10 bucks compared to the old cost, and if the Riptide ends up being close to a warmahordes colossal/gargantuan in size then it is actually priced according to the market. The Pathfinder teams also look like they might be fair at 40. The only things that are a tad expensive are the flier (although again this depends on its size) and the new Broadside. The finecast characters are also expensive, but that largely goes without saying.

As for the models themselves, I really like the new 'big' suits. The Riptide and the Broadside both look amazing. The Pathfinders and the flier both look decent. I really like the look of the new Farsight, and with the exception of the head I like the new fire warrior HQ (seriously, it is one of the worst faces I've seen on a model). I'm also not crazy on darkstrider or the tank upgrade guy (seriously, does EVERY faction need an upgrade character you stick in a tank?), but again I think that mostly stems from the fact that despite the fact that they claim to sculpt the best models in gaming, nobody at GW knows how to scuplt a decent facial expression anymore. Overall, I label this as a temptation although I am most likely to stick to Warmachine until GW makes some policy changes.

just for anyone with gw sticker shock, wayland games is offering a 30% discount on the new tau stuff, until Monday at 1am UK time I think.

2 riptides cost just a bit more than one at full price..so if interested toss some business their way.

carry on with rants..

I refuse to preorder anything. I've never had a problem getting what I want on release day. I've never felt like giving someone money with the promise of a product later.

I will however be picking up the skyshark regardless of tabletop performance, it just looks too cool and the price isn't outrageous. The riptide is just too expensive to buy just because, so its rules need to be competitively playable.

And I know I'm being cheap, but I can't see any reason to buy the tank commander guy since he would be easily convertible with what already exists. Yeah the armor wont look exactly the same, but if you only have one guy showing on the 2-3 railheads in the army it won't be difficult to pick out which one has the commander.

I hope they don't change cadians any time soon.

I didn't see anything wrong with the current Tau line either. They all looked sweet and fairly timeless.

I like the fact that they've put leaders on foot that aren't Etherals.

and the Michael Witt-tau model, is cool, likely will not buy one, but convert one myself, but cool fluff nonetheless.

Well, this makes three new army releases I've missed out on.

New tau look epic but the the best thing ever done. Hammer head and skyray in one box . If only I had munies id get the codex and some riptides and vespids xD

 Kingsley wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:
ThE tyranid launch bundle is a joke...$880? Thanks, ill go to ebay and get an army worth having...three carnifexes and four warrior broods? Yeah, super useful.

The bundle for is the same army used in the White Dwarf battle report.

I understand that, but it's a terrible army and not competitive at all...nobody who actually plays would ever want it, especially given that it offers no discount. Only competitive tourney players would drop 800 bucks on a single purchase of models, and none of those people are going to want three fexes, four warrior broods, and a bunc of zoanthropes

TheBoy wrote:
New tau look epic but the the best thing ever done. Hammer head and skyray in one box . If only I had munies id get the codex and some riptides and vespids xD

Yeah, its not like they had the Sky Ray and Hammerhead all in one box at the same price as a hammerhead for the past 8 years......oh wait.....they did. What is interesting is how the hammerhead being included in the Sky Ray box was $42-$48 ish dollars but the new packaging that includes the Sky Ray in the Hammerhead kit cost $60. Must be the new Fine box

Well, I'm surprised about GW's pace to provide new army releases.
Tau is not one of my favorite armies and I see it more from the opponent point of view. I guess that Tau will be shootier than ever.

Another thing I've noticed is that GW sells armies used in battle reports, here Tau and Nids. Not a bad idea. But it would be better for such bundles to give some sort of discount.

 Hadarac wrote:
The new Tau are finally out! What do people think?!

Paint me blue and call me Commander Shadowsun.

The first thing I noticed is the fact that I think the broadside base is bigger than the old one, which means that GW has rendered all of the old broadside models effectively obsolete.

I was going to get some new Tau allies.

Then I saw the price.

Screw that, I'll buy some broken broadsides and make me some orky conversions with some grot firewarriors to back em up

Straggler wrote:
The first thing I noticed is the fact that I think the broadside base is bigger than the old one, which means that GW has rendered all of the old broadside models effectively obsolete.

I was under the impression that all old GW models are legal as they were sold (in this case with the smaller base), so therefore your model is still good, and possibly at a slight advantage because of the size.

The new Pathfinders seem to be great fans of MC Hammer. Well, they are still among the better looking miniatures of that release. The new Broadside would be ok for half, or perhaps two thirds of the price
but for 40€ i am not going to buy any. Once again a rather meh release. I still wait for something that can compare to DE or, to a lesser degree, BA.

I like the new models, they're pretty cool. The Army isn't my cup of tea though.

I'll get the codex, so I can know the ins and outs of the army.

I'm sure my buddy who plays is super excited.

I've never been a fan of Tau in general (not my cup of tea either), however, I do like the new broadside poses. They look much more dynamic and exciting as opposed to the old wooden posture versions.

I think they're as ugly as ever. Yuck. Now to wait for the rest of oldies to get updated

I dont get why people complain about the Nid /Tau boxes. I mean, it may not be a competitive force but who cares? I am collecting Warhammer for nearly 13years now. Painting armies, sell them, buy new stuff and well collecting my personal army. It's not about having a competitive army and stop buying stuff it's about building up an army worth 20k and more points. If you just play to win you wont buy any boxes except the flyer ones maybe so where's the problem? Many of my customers dont care about the competitive part of their army, they just want a fancy showcase army and maybe play a game once in a while. Sure, the tournament scene should be supported but not with boxes but with tournaments, campaigns and stuff.

 Gorbad wrote:
I dont get why people complain about the Nid /Tau boxes. I mean, it may not be a competitive force but who cares? I am collecting Warhammer for nearly 13years now. Painting armies, sell them, buy new stuff and well collecting my personal army. It's not about having a competitive army and stop buying stuff it's about building up an army worth 20k and more points. If you just play to win you wont buy any boxes except the flyer ones maybe so where's the problem? Many of my customers dont care about the competitive part of their army, they just want a fancy showcase army and maybe play a game once in a while. Sure, the tournament scene should be supported but not with boxes but with tournaments, campaigns and stuff.

Hear, hear!

I want to see the new MC Tau in play. I like MCs.

Also regarding the issue of no discounts on the larger bundles, who, in reality, is most likely to be buying whole armies with a big price tag but also a significant price reduction? Its going to be re-sellers and bits traders, rather than "normal" gamers, as the traders can more easily defray the up-front cost against future profit, rather than gamers (especially the key demographic of young gamers) who build up an army gradually.

Also the Riptide and bradsides look fantastic, but I don't have space, damnit... roll on mancave project 2014!

Tau are available for preorder and are not out yet. Please relocate yourself to the news and rumors section.

I dig them, and I like the paint scheme used in the photos. I think that goes a long way into their reboot. Some still seem a bit blocky (though maybe they're unchanged), but over all I think much more appealing, to me anyway.

I can't get out of my house to do stuff, figured I'd get WD400 to have a look at the tau. £5~ish + £3 shipping minimum.

Over £8 for a single magazine.

Middle finger is extended.

 Captain Avatar wrote:

Yeah, its not like they had the Sky Ray and Hammerhead all in one box at the same price as a hammerhead for the past 8 years......oh wait.....they did. What is interesting is how the hammerhead being included in the Sky Ray box was $42-$48 ish dollars but the new packaging that includes the Sky Ray in the Hammerhead kit cost $60. Must be the new Fine box

O.o such a box existed? Wish I knew that instead of pickin the hh box over the skyray box the last few years.

Sooooo......who's spending 712 dollars on a really cool new Shadowsun Cadre army?

Anyone....anyone?

I do like the Fireblade model, though. He;'s a nice chap, doing his best in trying to find out which of his men dropped their bonding knife upon leaving the dropship.

Does anyone know why the codex is limited to 2000 copies worldwide? It doesn't seem like it would be enough, what happens if those sell out and you can't get a codex?

The Shadowsun Cadre is just for collectors getting an army that has been played in this entirety in a battle report at WD no. 400.

The Shadowsun Cadre is just for collectors getting an army that has been played in this entirety in a battle report at WD no. 400.

Oh, totally. It's also an easy, good way of scaring newbies about what an army is going to cost them in the end if they want to get into the game.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

The Shadowsun Cadre is just for collectors getting an army that has been played in this entirety in a battle report at WD no. 400.

Oh, totally. It's also an easy, good way of scaring newbies about what an army is going to cost them in the end if they want to get into the game.

Couldnt stop laughing after I read this

Anyway I like the new Tau releases, and if anything at least we don't have to wait any longer for the updated rules for them

blope wrote:
Does anyone know why the codex is limited to 2000 copies worldwide? It doesn't seem like it would be enough, what happens if those sell out and you can't get a codex?

It's not limited to just 2,000 copies. The limited edition is.

All things being said, though, I like the majority of the models, just not the prices. The Pathfinder box, however, both looks very cool and is a pretty decent price.

There is absolutely no way anyone can convince me of a reason for a Broadside, for instance, to cost more than a SM Dreadnought. None.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

The Shadowsun Cadre is just for collectors getting an army that has been played in this entirety in a battle report at WD no. 400.

Oh, totally. It's also an easy, good way of scaring newbies about what an army is going to cost them in the end if they want to get into the game.

Because there are no other hobbies that cost hundreds of pounds/dollars/whatever in a year?

I think the broadsides in the sniper position just look silly, for a weapon with that kind of power i think it should be more of a TF2 Heavy kind of look, besides why are they aiming down the sights when they have automatic aimers in their helmets?

Thinking of getting the pathfinders just to model/perhaps someday base an army around.

Barrywise wrote:
I think the broadsides in the sniper position just look silly, for a weapon with that kind of power i think it should be more of a TF2 Heavy kind of look, besides why are they aiming down the sights when they have automatic aimers in their helmets?

You mean on the new models? They look pretty....heavy to me. Certainly not a sniper position, the closest to that they come is maybe the slight crouch look of the legs (which can be attributed to the large weight of the railgun)

I'm just blown away be the extreme cost of the limited edition codex. Pay the double the price for a translucent plastic sleeve and a different cover.

Does it come with anything else? Maybe a complimentary blow job? Maybe if the limited edition codex was 20$ more, but also came with some kind of nice leather case and Tau dice or something similar, it'd be worth it. But double the price for a plastic sleeve and different cover is positively absurd.

 Bobthehero wrote:
I like the fact that they've put leaders on foot that aren't Etherals.

I gotta say, that's probably the best part about it. I for one actually like the look of the Fireblade, depending on the rules, I might kitbash him and creed or something similar, seems like the two kits are similar in pose/details.

I like the new tau stuff. I put a pretty big pre-order in with gw direct. I am looking forward to getting my hands on them to be honest.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
All things being said, though, I like the majority of the models, just not the prices. The Pathfinder box, however, both looks very cool and is a pretty decent price.

There is absolutely no way anyone can convince me of a reason for a Broadside, for instance, to cost more than a SM Dreadnought. None.

Don't worry. Once the new SM codex arrives GW will fix this by raising the price of Dreadnoughts!

I think the new stuff is great. Like a few others said, I am waiting to see the new rules before I spend a bunch of money only to find out that a unit has been nerfed with new rules. I already have 50 genestealers sitting on the shelf. I don't need all the models to be tournament winners, but they need to at least have a chance to carry their own weight.

Prices are what they are. It's a hobby. I don't complain about the prices. If they are are too expensive, I don't buy them. If enough don't buy GW will either quick selling or lower the price.

Any info on Farsight so far?

AegisGrimm wrote:All things being said, though, I like the majority of the models, just not the prices. The Pathfinder box, however, both looks very cool and is a pretty decent price.

There is absolutely no way anyone can convince me of a reason for a Broadside, for instance, to cost more than a SM Dreadnought. None.

Dude! New stuff from GW that has a demand! its all new and cool looking! The price is even cooler (for us)!

Yup.

I'll probably buy one for authenticity as well as accurate size knowledge but i intend to scratchbuild mine out of my old broadsides. I would just slap them on a bigger base, but it looks like theyre considerably larger not just a bigger base. Cant use older models if the new one has such a drastic modelling size change. Hell people complain about the old necron wraiths being used which are MINUTELY smaller than the new ones (so like i care if you field them).

 washout77 wrote:

Barrywise wrote:
I think the broadsides in the sniper position just look silly, for a weapon with that kind of power i think it should be more of a TF2 Heavy kind of look, besides why are they aiming down the sights when they have automatic aimers in their helmets?

You mean on the new models? They look pretty....heavy to me. Certainly not a sniper position, the closest to that they come is maybe the slight crouch look of the legs (which can be attributed to the large weight of the railgun)

Look at the 360 that they have on the website, if you look at it from the front it looks kinda funky, almost like it's snap shooting or something

Edit: ok the 360 is bad, saw a different model from a different angle, looks fine, my bad

 AegisGrimm wrote:
There is absolutely no way anyone can convince me of a reason for a Broadside, for instance, to cost more than a SM Dreadnought. None.

Uhh... it's a similarly-sized model on the same size of base, it comes with many more options and extra bitz, including two additional drone models, and it only costs like 4 dollars more?

 Blacksails wrote:
I'm just blown away be the extreme cost of the limited edition codex. Pay the double the price for a translucent plastic sleeve and a different cover.

Does it come with anything else? Maybe a complimentary blow job? Maybe if the limited edition codex was 20$ more, but also came with some kind of nice leather case and Tau dice or something similar, it'd be worth it. But double the price for a plastic sleeve and different cover is positively absurd.

Personally, I'm more blown away by people still buying it.

Also, deliberate pun in the use of blown away and later reference to blow jobs?

The broadside looks cool. Gonna buy one just for AA.

Don't worry. Once the new SM codex arrives GW will fix this by raising the price of Dreadnoughts!

Don't doubt that at all. Been expecting it for awhile actually.

Uhh... it's a similarly-sized model on the same size of base, it comes with many more options and extra bitz, including two additional drone models, and it only costs like 4 dollars more?

Nope, still not convinced it should be 50 dollars. But I don't think the SM Dreads should be over $35-$40, either, or the new Firewarrior character be priced at more than $15. There's a point when an expensive hobby becomes a freakishly expensive hobby. One of the new Broadsides costing more than a Forgeworld one is that point.

why is it the fireblade is plastic and the crisis commander is crapcaste? wtf

what was the cost of the old broadside anyway? i never looked, mine are off Ebay lol

And yea i agree theres a point where an expensive hobby becomes freakishly expensive. Some models i can understand because theyre tiny and have good detail, others....wtf GW seriously.
There are models that have hardly any more detail than your random kid's modeling kit, and cost 2-3x. You cant tell me that the difference between GW plastic and cheap modeling plastic is that big to warrent such a cost increase.

I wish they'd at least use a half-decent color scheme...

IT's kind of hard to judge if a model is good when you keep thinking "that's painted so ugly".

 Melissia wrote:
I wish they'd at least use a half-decent color scheme...
IT's kind of hard to judge if a model is good when you keep thinking "that's painted so ugly".

That's like saying: "Ultramarines would be okay, if not painted in that ugly blue colour scheme."

friend of mine is already planning to do some looted riptide with his orks. I can't wait to see the possibilities!

I think all the models (except the big mech guys) look awesome but I'm going to wait until some codex reviews come out before I jump in and buy anything. However I can see myself buying some pathfinders just to paint.

I like the rocket broadside model, just so many rockets everywhere. Its like Michael bays perfect idea of a robot. I'm just surprised its face didn't shoot rockets too.
Although to be honest i was expecting a lot more from the tau. Was expecting a full re-release of everything total update instead of a few new battlesuits but aw well still not as bad as the new necrons (Curse you space tomb kingssss!!!)

Does anyone know when they will be hitting shelves? had a hard time finding the date.

Thatguyhsagun wrote:
The riptide head bother anyone else?

Personally im not a fan of the Riptide in general but the head is a major down point. I like the idea of the Fireblade but I wasn't aware that the Fire Caste uses machete's for their bonding rituals. I like the Broadsides though I'm not a fan of the rail rifle arms, nor am I a fan of the commander model. I'm dissapointed that there aren't any new allies but I do really like the Pathfinders. All in all not worth dusting off my cadre

Damn near $100 for one of the new battlesuits? Not impressed, GW. Not impressed. That said, I'll wait and see how it performs on the table before passing full judgement.

 AtomicEngineer wrote:
I like the rocket broadside model, just so many rockets everywhere. Its like Michael bays perfect idea of a robot. I'm just surprised its face didn't shoot rockets too.
Although to be honest i was expecting a lot more from the tau. Was expecting a full re-release of everything total update instead of a few new battlesuits but aw well still not as bad as the new necrons (Curse you space tomb kingssss!!!)

Does anyone know when they will be hitting shelves? had a hard time finding the date.

I believe the release is April 7th or 9th.

I'm actually really disappointed when I started looking into what is rumored for the new Tau Codex. The biggest issue is the Troops section with only two units available. Tau have been difficult to use for me because I have trouble justifying bringing more than minimum troops and I was hoping for atleast a bit of variety. I was hoping that I could unlock units as troops, such as bringing an XV-8 Commander would unlock Stealth suits, but apparently we aren't getting that. So I'm expecting to keep the same old expensive and useless troops that we currently have.

It's also disappoint that we are only getting three really new units. Riptide, the Fighter/bomber, and the HQ fireblade. The only issue they seemed to address was the lack of decent FA units.

 Mr Nobody wrote:

 AtomicEngineer wrote:
I like the rocket broadside model, just so many rockets everywhere. Its like Michael bays perfect idea of a robot. I'm just surprised its face didn't shoot rockets too.
Although to be honest i was expecting a lot more from the tau. Was expecting a full re-release of everything total update instead of a few new battlesuits but aw well still not as bad as the new necrons (Curse you space tomb kingssss!!!)

Does anyone know when they will be hitting shelves? had a hard time finding the date.

I believe the release is April 7th or 9th.

I think its Saturday, April 6th.

On a modeling note I'm thinking about getting one of the new Broadsides and kit bashing it with a traditional Crysis to make a more heavily armored Shas'o. I'm also kind of excited in that I just realized that the pathfinders come with holstered and loose pulse pistols which is going to be great for my battlesuit pilot I'm making!

First of all, I really like everything I have seen so far, especially that Shadowsun (my favorite Tau HQ) is still around.

The Fireblade is a thing I've wanted for a long time, but I'm not that happy with the model. It's a pet peeve of mine that no important character will wear a helmet I think I'll just convert my own out of some old bits.

About the fighter. Has anyone else noticed that it has its main weapon mounted in such a way that it can never target anything in front of it? I mean, it looks really sleek and awesome, but I can see the weapon mounting being a big problem in-game. Then again, it does have a burst cannon

What I'm really hoping for is more auxiliaries or at least some rules for them; hopefully they'll be in the second wave. With the new allies rules though, this is probably not necessary.

 DakkaHammer wrote:
It's a pet peeve of mine that no important character will wear a helmet I think I'll just convert my own out of some old bits.

I feel ya, that's why I am playing the Death Korps

Now if I ever start Tau, I am getting that guy and swapping heads around, would do the same to Darkstrider as well.

I don't really care what they did with the models - when it comes down to it - I am going to paint them in my Raver theme and blow some holes in other armies.

When it comes down to it - the look is 'nice', but when playing an army, I play it cause I like the idea of them (i likka da pewpew).

As for cost - meh...it's a business and they want to make money. If I don't like the cost - I would go play GKs. The other thing is I am not one to buy huge orders at a time. I make a list at a point level, get those models, play, refine, then move up in points...

I do know that I like the huge suit and it will be nice to field the bomber....all assuming that they are worth their point costs...

EDIT: Also - I just checked it ouyt - the Shadowsun hunter cadre is the same as buying all the models included with a 10$ discount (for USA). And for once - of all the bundles - it looks like it is actually a pretty good force, a little troop light, but hey - they are inexpensive....

And who runs kroot anyway?

I miss the old Broadsides. I imagine that if I ever desire to start a Tau army I should start buying up "OOP" Broadsides now. Cause later on, who knows?

I think the new models look fantastic. Love the Cadre Fireblade. I'll probably be getting one of those even though I don't play 40k. Multi-Part plastic Pathfinder kits?? Sounds like a dream. I just wish there was more models coming out. More alien Allien allies, the vespids really need a touch up, and the Kroot need more units. I know someone who wants to play an all kroot list but there's not enough models.

I played with this Kroot Army, it works fantastically if there is a good amount of cover on the board.

Kroot army:
-16 Kroot Carnivore Squad
-16 Kroot Carnivore Sqaud
-1 Shaper
-1 Shaper
-8 Kroot Hounds
-8 Kroot Hounds
-1 Krootox
-1 Krootox

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Don't worry. Once the new SM codex arrives GW will fix this by raising the price of Dreadnoughts!

Don't doubt that at all. Been expecting it for awhile actually.

Uhh... it's a similarly-sized model on the same size of base, it comes with many more options and extra bitz, including two additional drone models, and it only costs like 4 dollars more?

Nope, still not convinced it should be 50 dollars. But I don't think the SM Dreads should be over $35-$40, either, or the new Firewarrior character be priced at more than $15. There's a point when an expensive hobby becomes a freakishly expensive hobby. One of the new Broadsides costing more than a Forgeworld one is that point.

Compared to other hobbied, this is cheap, Really cheap. i dont need to drop 100$ just to play 40k like i would golf.

So in light of the recent leaks/rumors I will probably field the following army with the new codex:
- Shadowsun
- 3x9 Stealth Suits with 3 Fusion Blasters in each
- 3x10 Fire Warriors with Markerlights
- 2x6 (3x2?) Missilesides with Skyfire
- Aegis Defence Line
Game plan: kite everything to death! I did nothing like this before (I ran a Crisis/FW/BS gunline), so I'm looking forward to try it out.

I want Saturday. Now !

Well look at Oblits. A box of three for $50 compared to a single Broadside for $50.

Have they shown the sprue pictures for the new broadside yet? depending on how many sprue it comes with i could see it almost being justified. Im guessing 3-4 big vehicle size sprue.

though still not happy with any of the prices (except the pathfinders)

Jeez, I was disappointed with this. Some of the new models are cool, but I really don't like the new Broadsides...and I really don't like that there was ANOTHER price increase. Done, I'm out!

*leaves room*

waiting for 'resin clones' and 50% less price,hehe. Actually,I can already get FW suits that cost less than GW ones


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Don't worry. Once the new SM codex arrives GW will fix this by raising the price of Dreadnoughts!

Don't doubt that at all. Been expecting it for awhile actually.

Uhh... it's a similarly-sized model on the same size of base, it comes with many more options and extra bitz, including two additional drone models, and it only costs like 4 dollars more?

Nope, still not convinced it should be 50 dollars. But I don't think the SM Dreads should be over $35-$40, either, or the new Firewarrior character be priced at more than $15. There's a point when an expensive hobby becomes a freakishly expensive hobby. One of the new Broadsides costing more than a Forgeworld one is that point.

Compared to other hobbied, this is cheap, Really cheap. i dont need to drop 100$ just to play 40k like i would golf.

yea,this is cheap. I was looking to start hobby with planes,but having private jet plane is kinda expensive,so yeah,GW is really affordable hobby,I don't need to shell 1000 000$ just to ride in my private jet...

Compared to other hobbied, this is cheap, Really cheap. i dont need to drop 100$ just to play 40k like i would golf.

Well, technically you do. The rulebook and a Codex is over 100 dollars, and then you still need to buy at least two boxes of figures for Troops and at least a single figure HQ (that is 15-20 dollars alone) to play a game.

Wargaming is nowhere near cheap. But, admittedly, that's the nature of the beast.


I still think that the Pathfinders are the only reasonably priced new release for the Tau. Crisis suits are affordable, if you go by what each suit would be separately. But like Wraithlords, I don;t like the requirement to buy the entire box when I might only need one more to add to what I have.

 mega_bassist wrote:
Jeez, I was disappointed with this. Some of the new models are cool, but I really don't like the new Broadsides...and I really don't like that there was ANOTHER price increase. Done, I'm out!

*leaves room*

Wait! There's more! Not only we will give you one price increase now... we will give you one in JUNE!... because GW Woves you!!!.

But in seriousness, I'll wait and see how the synergy of the game mechanics in the codex meshes with 6th Ed rule set before passing judgement. It is not about price for me, it is about spending money on an army that is going to get their collective bootie handed to them in game(if the codex is flawed in its synergy). They should make a good detachment though.

Am i the only one who likes the new Tau stuff? The broadsides and riptide, from the 360 images look like they'll be fantastic to build and paint. Especially being able to bend the knees for poses without having to saw off the lower leg and greenstuff the detail back on. (I'm looking at you converted shas'o climbing over a wall and bodyguard knelt down in a firing position!) Pre-ordered a couple of the broadsides, so i'll have two squads of two, one squad being the forgeworld ones i already have and the other being the new ones. looks like i'll be selling my old broadsides, as i always felt that they looked a bit underwelming and klunky.

The new commander looks pretty good and it's nice to see the HQ get a model of it's own, but until i get my hands on the codex to make a new army list i don't know if i'll need a second commander; as my converted one will always be my warlord. The only model that i'm not that enthusiastic about is the flyer. It's a nice model and can see that they went with a similar look to the piranha, but i honestly thought it would look different.

The riptide being an elite choice is an interesting option, as i play with a crisis heavy army it'll compete for slots (no vehicles at all apart from tetras for those lovely H4 markerlights). Although if it's still possible with the new codex, i could put suits as bodyguards for my HQ to free up a couple of slots for riptides. In fact, the only reason why i've only pre-ordered two broadsides and the codex is because i don't know how my new list will be structured. For all i know there will be a way to make crisis suits troop choices, in which case there will be PLENTY of space for riptides in elites. I will however have to wait until i get the new codex.

As for the 'how expensive is your hobby' discussion. Yes it's expensive, but compared to some other hobbies it's quite well valued. Take pc gaming as a hobby for example, to start from scratch you need to buy a lot. The pc for a decent rig would be at minimum £400, then you need a mouse, keyboard, speakers, monitor, internet connection (not required but in this day and age it's very much part of gaming) and let's not forget the games themselves. The value also comes from how well what you buy ages, pcs get outdated as new tech is made. I can't imagine using the pc i had five years ago for all the stuff i used my new pc for now.
Minitures on the otherhand have the advantage of becoming collectors items when new versions are made and retain or go up in value; even more so as older models can still be used in games. The old 2nd edition hive tyrants for example are brilliant models to represent tyranid primes, still looking to get a second one myself as they're easy to convert with newer biomorphs.

The PC comparison is terrible since a computer offers a lot of other benefits and can even be considered a tax write off since it counts as business and educational expenses if you're a student or have a job that is aided by online usage. It's also able to go across genres for games, and can hold a collection of music, videos, and pictures as well as editing software.

The only way the comparison works is if Gamesworkshop sold a 3D printer that also stored all the books, codex, and even painting supplies while also helping you paint the models and convert them. Then it'd would also have to let you use your models to play Warmachine, Dystopian Wars, and any other table top game.

You could only compare it to a single game, which will cost you about the price of one box of models depending on how new it is, and still provide hours of entertainment at your own leisure. The only comparable game I could imagine would be World of Warcraft's amazingly addictive "You bought the game and expansions, but keep paying us monthly" engine which manages to take in a lot of time and effort (haven't played it myself).

And PC games tend to patch their errors, as opposed to GW's policy to make a crap unit and leave it that way until a new edition rolls around. Like how Stealth Suits will most likely never see table time this codex.

I see where you are coming from, a pc has the utility to be used for an ever increasing number of things, while models have their very specific niche. The point i was trying to get across was that i feel that the model costs are justified as they hold their value better when compared to a pc used for gaming. Then again if you use the same pc to make money... Yeah bad comparison, i should stop trying to do these explainations in the early hours of the morning.

A better way for me to have explained it would be to not campare it to anything and just say why i feel the cost of the models if justified. So yeah, for me at least i don't find the costs to be unjustified, as they hold their value well over time through being collectors items. When i refine my army lists to the themes i give them, i usually find that i have some models that i don't need anymore, which i then sell through ebay. I find through personal experience (this i won't argue, differs greatly from person to person) that models in decent condition have a fair chance to sell at around about half their value. Which for me is a great return considering the use i've got out of them over the years. Now if they are out of production, unbuilt and/or painted to a high standard (none of what i've sold bar anything unbuilt, i'm just too sentimental as i like to hang on to anything oop or well painted), the value can go above what you paid for it. I was amazed to see what some of the older oop models can go for when i was searching through ebay.

Hope i explained my opinion on GWs model pricing better this time. Yes it's expensive, but in my opinion not too expensive.

I've used roughly the same PC (barring upgrades I'm making this year) for something on 7 years. PCs last a long time if you build and treat them right.

AAAAHHH!!!

I had an insane day last weekend. I woke up early to find an email in my inbox with a huge crisis suit as the feature for the next white dwarf. I flipped out, showered and ran to my computer.

I have just recently started playing warhammer 40k, and I got into it mostly because the Tau looked so amazing, I found their lore fun and a friend was stopping playing so I could scoop a lot of his stuff for really cheap.

A little while after starting to model (I was doing 100% Tau), i picked up an old rule book, and headed to the store to learn how to play. Man that was a sad day. I have literally played one game since I started because of how crappy the Tau were in combat.

So understandably, I'm extremely pumped. I really hope there are a lot of buffs in general.

While i'm not CRAZY stoked for the new units, I think they're needed. A flyer, a bigass crisis suit. honestly, i was hoping for some type of badass Kroot thing. Like some new mutation of the Kroot gene.

While yes they are getting better they aren't going to be the next SM army on the block with an Auto-Win set up or any super deathstars or anything like that(at least i hope anyways) You may wanna brush up on some Tau tactics from this Codex in the meantime before the new one comes out TheKoop because chances are you are going to have similar problems playing them with the new codex

Just from what little I have gleaned from the leaked Spanish codex stuff, Tau will still play the way they have always played, you have to use them as army as a whole, not rely on a single or spamable unit to win the day.

All the assets will have to work with each other, and versatile, flexible firepower will be the order of the day, but we still have to dig into the codex to truly start devising our Kauyon, and Mont'ka with the new tools.

But itsa lookin good!

Right. Same basic tools with a lot of options for fine tuning!! Cant wait!!! I wont do much other than read on Sat. Good thing im donating plasma on that same day. Who'd of thought i could get paid to be reading my codex lol

TheKoop wrote:

A little while after starting to model (I was doing 100% Tau), i picked up an old rule book, and headed to the store to learn how to play. Man that was a sad day. I have literally played one game since I started because of how crappy the Tau were in combat.

Tau have never been crappy, though. Sure, they're not the easiest army to play with, but if you work your Pathfinders, XV8s, and Firewarriors the right way, you can have a devistating army. Hell, I've given "superior" armies a run for their money several times...but it's always been a challenge. I will say, I'm interested to see the rules, but I don't plan on buying/expanding my army by very much.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Compared to other hobbied, this is cheap, Really cheap. i dont need to drop 100$ just to play 40k like i would golf.

Well, technically you do. The rulebook and a Codex is over 100 dollars, and then you still need to buy at least two boxes of figures for Troops and at least a single figure HQ (that is 15-20 dollars alone) to play a game.

Wargaming is nowhere near cheap. But, admittedly, that's the nature of the beast.


I still think that the Pathfinders are the only reasonably priced new release for the Tau. Crisis suits are affordable, if you go by what each suit would be separately. But like Wraithlords, I don;t like the requirement to buy the entire box when I might only need one more to add to what I have.

I think Aegis was referring to the cost of green fees to even get on the course to play. Wargaming can be cheap, you just need to control your spending urges. Its not like the stuff you buy ever wears out.

I'm in. Looking forward to getting my hands on the new Tau stuff. PP has been getting all my hobby $$$ lately instead of GW. Looking forward to new list building options for my Tau.

The riptide head bother anyone else?

oh my heck, yes.
It's like: "yeah, just put the crisis suit head atop the body that is TWICE AS BIG!"

yukondal wrote:

The riptide head bother anyone else?

oh my heck, yes.
It's like: "yeah, just put the crisis suit head atop the body that is TWICE AS BIG!"

But, functionally speaking, it doesn't need to get bigger. In fact, making it bigger would just be a larger target.

Actually I wonder why they put a head on there at all. There's really no need for that weird and silly camera thing on top.

 Melissia wrote:
Actually I wonder why they put a head on there at all. There's really no need for that weird and silly camera thing on top.

This kinda sums up how i feel about the Head. Why not just build it into the rest of the suit or whatever? I might end up using a spare crisis suit head when i eventually get mine.

Pretty sure it's about the same size as a normal crisis suit head. Just looks smaller due to the larger body

Is anyone else a little worried about the fact that the Cadre Fireblade - despite being a multi-part kit - is only displayed in a single pose?

Multi part probably just means you can replace the arm sticking up in the with air with another arm.

It could be multipart in the same way as shadowsun is multipart.
Meaning you have to glue on the arms but they only really work one way.

That's bs they might as well just do fine cast then

 Las wrote:
That's bs they might as well just do fine cast then

Don't. Ever. Say. That. Again. ...they can, read you know. A thousand curses upon your head.

Like i said before tau just seem too clunky to me. I understand some of their stuff is probably about firepower but i expect it to look more refined rather than blocky. For me the xv-9 from forgeworld is a model done almost exactly how i'd like tau to be done. What i see with the re-release is how i didn't want tau to be done. That said the railgun broadside (the broadside still looks kind of dumb right now in the back), the pathfinders in a nice plastic kit (though it could've looked a bit more sleek) and the monstrous creature sized battle-suits all seem like steps in the right direction (still can't get over the small midget head). I even don't mind the characters but some things needed to be improved.

Whatever as long as sisters and eldar get a re-vamp next. Please give sisters artificer armor as well as power armored faith units with rosariuses and other ornate crafting, more faith abilities with possible martyrdom or an equivalent and just a re-vamp in units and everything in general. Sadly sisters are probably dead and buried much to melissia's dismay if she even still cares anymore. What saddens me is that sisters of battle have the potential to be great if you throw out a ton of gothic and ornate holy symbols such as lions or maybe a larger golden eagle like with guardsmen except larger and more detailed but in a sort of archaic and gothic way. Perhaps sisters could even get more flamers and melta weapons if possible. They could also do well for some nice buff-mobile type units with a large holy artifact that gets pushed around and gives them zeal.

Sorry about that i went on a rant again. Just thinking of what might make some armies better or nicer to look at .

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More related to the article at hand could anybody good us a general idea of what's new in the codex when they get it? An example would be weapon stats, model profiles and an idea of special rules or what's new about them. A general idea is fine. I don't entirely need the point cost for everything but a general idea would be nice.

DarkAngelCryo wrote:
Based on discussion on a 40k facebook group i'm a member of, this bundle is almost 20 dollars more than buying everything individually. 713 vs 693 usd.

This is strange. Just did the math, and in the UK bundle, you actually save almost £25...

 WaaaaghLord wrote:

DarkAngelCryo wrote:
Based on discussion on a 40k facebook group i'm a member of, this bundle is almost 20 dollars more than buying everything individually. 713 vs 693 usd.

This is strange. Just did the math, and in the UK bundle, you actually save almost £25...

Strange yes... but exactly the kind of thing GW would do.