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Apologies in advance is this topic has already been done.

There is a thread for Sedition Wars, but it's more focused on the old KS. This is certainly news.

I hope they won't do a KS for this anytime soon. Rather my wallet surely hopes they don't. I actually hope they don't even think of starting up the expansion KS before the second wave of the first KS ships.

I love those guys with shields, and more gribby goodies are always a delight.

If mcvey gives me guys with shields, i will paint them as Roman shields. With Oak leaves and the word SolCon (Solar Conglomerate)

From what they last said they weren't doing a KS for the expansion.

Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

Yeah, it does seem rather odd that they're spending resources on sculpts for an expansion before the wave 2 KS models are even ready. It's just as questionable as using resources getting Gnosis Armor Kara painted professionally when the only people that could have gotten it have already paid for it.

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

They have been working on these before the kickstarter even started.

That, and it has been rumored they have/were/are looking for a new manufacturer.

Hopefully one that can reduce the amount of mold lines.

Excellent stuff! I've not started painting my set yet, still cleaning the minis up!

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

They have been working on these before the kickstarter even started.

That, and it has been rumored they have/were/are looking for a new manufacturer.

Hopefully one that can reduce the amount of mold lines.

Swing by the Studio McVey Site, Blog & Forums.

Notice they didn't make any announcements about this themselves. They tried to obfuscate the fact that they had so much of this expansion done due to how pissed people are with the Kickstarter.

Otherwise?

They would have been posting up all those sculpts in progress and cool artwork for us to see. The problem is, they know they should have diverted resources to finishing up the Kickstarter pledges and did not. Whether it is CMON or Studio McVeys fault, there has also been horrible communication.

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

They have been working on these before the kickstarter even started.

That, and it has been rumored they have/were/are looking for a new manufacturer.

Hopefully one that can reduce the amount of mold lines.

Swing by the Studio McVey Site, Blog & Forums.

Notice they didn't make any announcements about this themselves. They tried to obfuscate the fact that they had so much of this expansion done due to how pissed people are with the Kickstarter.

Otherwise?

They would have been posting up all those sculpts in progress and cool artwork for us to see. The problem is, they know they should have diverted resources to finishing up the Kickstarter pledges and did not. Whether it is CMON or Studio McVeys fault, there has also been horrible communication.

Mike already stated himself back around late summer I believe he was already in the middle of working on AoS over the forum.

EDIT: I think the major problem that CMON/SM hit was the got to wrapped up in trying to produce a boat load of miniatures, what was it, ever 20 or 50k stretch goal was "here have another dozen miniatures", rather than focusing on quality.

Not saying it had to be boutique or the quality of his resins.


But so much was focused on quantity when more should have been focused on quality of miniatures and components. The box set alone contains more miniatures than I probably will paint.

From a company like Studio McVey, I honestly thought they would focus on quality first, however, it seemed as though they (CMON/SM) gave what the people wanted a ton of miniatures, basically emulating the previous Zombicide kickstarter.

From following the Studio McVey forums this has been in the planning since before the KS

I'm certainly buying it however it comes out (normal retail channels appears to be the plan)

They've also had problems in that Rob (Rules writer & important part of the SW team) has recently been very ill recently, so Mike will have been trying to fill in on his behind the scenes roles too.

INFO BURST: Rob has just reappeared on the forums and has said the revised rulebook (version 1.5) is now in layout and will be available to download soon.

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

They have been working on these before the kickstarter even started.

That, and it has been rumored they have/were/are looking for a new manufacturer.

Hopefully one that can reduce the amount of mold lines.

Swing by the Studio McVey Site, Blog & Forums.

Notice they didn't make any announcements about this themselves. They tried to obfuscate the fact that they had so much of this expansion done due to how pissed people are with the Kickstarter.

Otherwise?

They would have been posting up all those sculpts in progress and cool artwork for us to see. The problem is, they know they should have diverted resources to finishing up the Kickstarter pledges and did not. Whether it is CMON or Studio McVeys fault, there has also been horrible communication.

Mike already stated himself back around late summer I believe he was already in the middle of working on AoS over the forum.

EDIT: I think the major problem that CMON/SM hit was the got to wrapped up in trying to produce a boat load of miniatures, what was it, ever 20 or 50k stretch goal was "here have another dozen miniatures", rather than focusing on quality.

Not saying it had to be boutique or the quality of his resins.


But so much was focused on quantity when more should have been focused on quality of miniatures and components. The box set alone contains more miniatures than I probably will paint.

From a company like Studio McVey, I honestly thought they would focus on quality first, however, it seemed as though they (CMON/SM) gave what the people wanted a ton of miniatures, basically emulating the previous Zombicide kickstarter.

I hate to say it but Zombicide was a quality product. I am sad I missed out on the Zombicide kickstarter. IF I had to choose between one or the other, I would have got into the Zombicide Kickstarter. (Not to mention, that stuff had some resale value. SEDITION WARS? NONE)

What I don't get is how people keep assuming it's impossible to have more than one project in the pipeline at any given time. There's more than one sculptor in the world - just getting this stuff sculpted while the KS wave two stuff is getting tooled makes complete sense. And yes, I know some of the sculpting overlapped but really, I think a lot of folks have to adjust expectations when getting involved much earlier in the process than a customer usually would the way that happens via KS...

As to the pics well, they *seem* to be lovely models... not easy to make out in that pic though.

Also, it seems as if the plan to use AoS to introduce the firebrand is shelved in favour of extending the vanguard and strain ranges a bit more. That's actually good, in my book: those both need a little fleshing out and I'd rather see new factions get introduced in a "big" box set of sufficient size to do them justice

I think KS's do give some strange sense of entitlement to their backers...
Studio Mcvey and other companies can and should develop projects simultaneously for the sake of the health of their own companies, the idea they should produce things only when you have Wave2 on your doorstep is a bit unreasonable.

If anyone has a problem with timings then just don't preorder stuff and save yourself a deal of frustration... I don't.

These pics look inspiring but somehow I expect more unique pieces from Mcvey, nicely casted and in good materials, not really looking for boxed sets with lots of minis.

Bolognesus wrote:
Also, it seems as if the plan to use AoS to introduce the firebrand is shelved in favour of extending the vanguard and strain ranges a bit more. That's actually good, in my book: those both need a little fleshing out and I'd rather see new factions get introduced in a "big" box set of sufficient size to do them justice

Could also be a nice continuation of the story where towards the end of the AoS campaign, some Firebrand insurgants try to capture a strain for their own purposes...

NAVARRO wrote:
These pics look inspiring but somehow I expect more unique pieces from Mcvey, nicely casted and in good materials, not really looking for boxed sets with lots of minis.

I'm with you there on the minis bud. You did get an absolute truckload of minis in the boxed game and I'm very happy with them, however painting them seems daunting. I've yet to assemble them all and have still got 1/4 of them still to do. Cleaning them up is time consuming as well...

Given the choice, I'd have gone for less minis if they'd have been in resin at a higher quality. Same for the board sections - higher quality over quantity even if that meant a higher price.

I can't wait for the revised rulebook for SW, which will also hopefully be formatted better/more logically!

 Alpharius wrote:
I can't wait for the revised rulebook for SW, which will also hopefully be formatted better/more logically!

Hope they allow us to buy printed versions as well including the additional stuff they've put out...

Wow, pretty excited about those new big beasties. Well, actually, all of that looks pretty fun. Think my faves are the XL crab-ish guy on the right, and the tendril guy in the middle

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

They have been working on these before the kickstarter even started.

That, and it has been rumored they have/were/are looking for a new manufacturer.

Hopefully one that can reduce the amount of mold lines.

Swing by the Studio McVey Site, Blog & Forums.

Notice they didn't make any announcements about this themselves. They tried to obfuscate the fact that they had so much of this expansion done due to how pissed people are with the Kickstarter.

Otherwise?

They would have been posting up all those sculpts in progress and cool artwork for us to see. The problem is, they know they should have diverted resources to finishing up the Kickstarter pledges and did not. Whether it is CMON or Studio McVeys fault, there has also been horrible communication.

Mike already stated himself back around late summer I believe he was already in the middle of working on AoS over the forum.

EDIT: I think the major problem that CMON/SM hit was the got to wrapped up in trying to produce a boat load of miniatures, what was it, ever 20 or 50k stretch goal was "here have another dozen miniatures", rather than focusing on quality.

Not saying it had to be boutique or the quality of his resins.


But so much was focused on quantity when more should have been focused on quality of miniatures and components. The box set alone contains more miniatures than I probably will paint.

From a company like Studio McVey, I honestly thought they would focus on quality first, however, it seemed as though they (CMON/SM) gave what the people wanted a ton of miniatures, basically emulating the previous Zombicide kickstarter.

I hate to say it but Zombicide was a quality product. I am sad I missed out on the Zombicide kickstarter. IF I had to choose between one or the other, I would have got into the Zombicide Kickstarter. (Not to mention, that stuff had some resale value. SEDITION WARS? NONE)

It had less issues for sure. The biggest issue with zombicide was a rather simple fix. The scenarios in the book suck donkey. The game in general is way too easy, the simplistic scenarios in the book don't help at all. Just once I would like to lose a game in zombicide.

One of the biggest reasons I think Sedition Wars does not have a great resale market is that it flooded compared to zombicide. More people bought sedition wars and tried to resell at a ridiculous profit or were not satisfied with the product after opening it.

While SedWars had issues with rules and physical quality. I will give Mike and CMON some slack, this was their first joint project together. Can't imagine it being easy for either side on top of some of the Chinese manufacturing issues.

Just hope I see improvements to quality. I bought SedWars because I thought the universe was awesome, not because I wanted a cheap proxy for Guardsmen and Tyranids.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I think KS's do give some strange sense of entitlement to their backers...
Studio Mcvey and other companies can and should develop projects simultaneously for the sake of the health of their own companies, the idea they should produce things only when you have Wave2 on your doorstep is a bit unreasonable.

If anyone has a problem with timings then just don't preorder stuff and save yourself a deal of frustration... I don't.

These pics look inspiring but somehow I expect more unique pieces from Mcvey, nicely casted and in good materials, not really looking for boxed sets with lots of minis.

I think it depends. This is going through normal channels, so I don't see an issue with it. Plus all that is left for the SW KS is exclusive figures that need to be sculpted. It is when someone starts a new KS and hasn't delivered much/anything on the first KS that I have issues.

I wouldn't criticize the figs just yet. Those look like work in progress figs still and blurry photos to boot.

I'm excited for new stuff. I'll have 4 biohazards when I'm done and started painting up some of the basic troopers and love them. cleaning is actually pretty quick and easy once you get in a groove.

Resale isn't great but people shouldn't have bought on the idea of resale so I have no pity for them.

New product looks pretty good. I'm looking forward to some up close images and more information on the game as I'll probably pick one or two up.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I can't wait for the revised rulebook for SW, which will also hopefully be formatted better/more logically!

Hope they allow us to buy printed versions as well including the additional stuff they've put out...

No.

They should be GIVING us a copy of the damned rulebook in our phase 2 printed for Free.

What is with some of you guys wanting to re-buy crap product we already paid for? It's a known fact that the Sedition Wars Rulebook is GAK. It is such Gak less than 6 months after release it's been entirely revised. We got their game on the market for them and assisted them in growing via this kickstarter and in return? I think every single individual has gotten something broken/warped/damage in their pledge. I think we've ALL gotten this piece of **** rulebook with the poorly written rules and ambiguous wordings etc..

Why should we be paying for a 2nd copy? It should be given to us, the loyal backers for free; especially after all the nonsense this KS has entailed.

Before you reply with some snarky little comment about entitlement, please don't tell me you Kickstarted for altruistic reasons out of the goodness of your heart as an act of charity to help a company make millions; you didn't, none of us did, we all pledged to get the rewards.

P.S. I own almost every Studio McVey Resin figure and owned all of the Studio McVey Sedition Wars figures BEFORE the game or kickstarter was announced. I am usually the person who would be defending Studio McVey, their actions after this Kickstarter have left a definite sour taste in my mouth. I used to have frequent contact with Mike, let's just say, Mike used to be much closer to his fans and consumers before this Kickstarter. Now? I will have to really think hard before I ever buy a Studio McVey product again. They made a huge mistake, going for quantity over quality, when quality is what they were known for.


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 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Now we know the real reason the Phase 2 was delayed. They were too busy working on the expansion sculpts.

They have been working on these before the kickstarter even started.

That, and it has been rumored they have/were/are looking for a new manufacturer.

Hopefully one that can reduce the amount of mold lines.

Swing by the Studio McVey Site, Blog & Forums.

Notice they didn't make any announcements about this themselves. They tried to obfuscate the fact that they had so much of this expansion done due to how pissed people are with the Kickstarter.

Otherwise?

They would have been posting up all those sculpts in progress and cool artwork for us to see. The problem is, they know they should have diverted resources to finishing up the Kickstarter pledges and did not. Whether it is CMON or Studio McVeys fault, there has also been horrible communication.

Mike already stated himself back around late summer I believe he was already in the middle of working on AoS over the forum.

EDIT: I think the major problem that CMON/SM hit was the got to wrapped up in trying to produce a boat load of miniatures, what was it, ever 20 or 50k stretch goal was "here have another dozen miniatures", rather than focusing on quality.

Not saying it had to be boutique or the quality of his resins.


But so much was focused on quantity when more should have been focused on quality of miniatures and components. The box set alone contains more miniatures than I probably will paint.

From a company like Studio McVey, I honestly thought they would focus on quality first, however, it seemed as though they (CMON/SM) gave what the people wanted a ton of miniatures, basically emulating the previous Zombicide kickstarter.

I hate to say it but Zombicide was a quality product. I am sad I missed out on the Zombicide kickstarter. IF I had to choose between one or the other, I would have got into the Zombicide Kickstarter. (Not to mention, that stuff had some resale value. SEDITION WARS? NONE)

It had less issues for sure. The biggest issue with zombicide was a rather simple fix. The scenarios in the book suck donkey. The game in general is way too easy, the simplistic scenarios in the book don't help at all. Just once I would like to lose a game in zombicide.

One of the biggest reasons I think Sedition Wars does not have a great resale market is that it flooded compared to zombicide. More people bought sedition wars and tried to resell at a ridiculous profit or were not satisfied with the product after opening it.

While SedWars had issues with rules and physical quality. I will give Mike and CMON some slack, this was their first joint project together. Can't imagine it being easy for either side on top of some of the Chinese manufacturing issues.

Just hope I see improvements to quality. I bought SedWars because I thought the universe was awesome, not because I wanted a cheap proxy for Guardsmen and Tyranids.

FYI if you want to make zombicide challenging double spawn cards.

 IdentifyZero wrote:


Before you reply with some snarky little comment about entitlement, please don't tell me you Kickstarted for altruistic reasons out of the goodness of your heart as an act of charity to help a company make millions; you didn't, none of us did, we all pledged to get the rewards.
)

You pledged so speak for yourself.

I don't pledge because I don't trust in two things.

1. I never buy preorders of anything based on wips I only buy minis already on sale and finished so I can check them out for quality.
2. I know that in this industry timings and schedules are constantly broken... I would be a fool to believe that in such early phases of development they can plan any of this accurately. Several months waiting? Yeah right, good luck with that.

So yes you should know what you were getting yourself into before pledging... preorders and KS's have a great deal of risk involved so if you cant resist your "rewards" you should take the good with the bad when they turn up on your doorstep.

Looking at your levels of frustration in this thread you would have done better not doing KS and taking risks... rather than bemoaning about simultaneous projects from Mcvey...

I don't really expect to get a rule book for free at a loss for CMON. If anything at the cost of the rule book.

I understand the reasoning for wanting the book for free.

I guess this was part of the risk as KS backers. We were guaranteed what it came with.

Then again I am very use to this idea thanks to Spartan Games.

Uncharted Seas rule book, update in a few months.

Firestorm Armada update in a few months

Dystopian Wars update in a few months.

You pay to beta test with spartan games.

 Piston Honda wrote:
I don't really expect to get a rule book for free at a loss for CMON. If anything at the cost of the rule book.

I understand the reasoning for wanting the book for free.

I guess this was part of the risk as KS backers. We were guaranteed what it came with.

So, out of curiosity, if you had gotten miscast or broken figures would you have been willing to pay for a replacement?

Are broken rules that much different?

Man those new sculpts look amazing! Nice to see some heavier armoured troops, saves me having to make some myself

 CptJake wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
I don't really expect to get a rule book for free at a loss for CMON. If anything at the cost of the rule book.

I understand the reasoning for wanting the book for free.

I guess this was part of the risk as KS backers. We were guaranteed what it came with.

So, out of curiosity, if you had gotten miscast or broken figures would you have been willing to pay for a replacement?

Are broken rules that much different?

If you buy a game in store and the models are fine but the rules just don't work or suck are the people you purchased it from going to take it back?

I'm going to be OK with a rule set that isn't broken and is fun to play and is a PDF that I'll print out myself.

Though I can certainly see why a lot of people were upset over the various quality (both miniatures and rules) issues that this project has...

Bolognesus wrote:What I don't get is how people keep assuming it's impossible to have more than one project in the pipeline at any given time. There's more than one sculptor in the world - just getting this stuff sculpted while the KS wave two stuff is getting tooled makes complete sense. And yes, I know some of the sculpting overlapped but really, I think a lot of folks have to adjust expectations when getting involved much earlier in the process than a customer usually would the way that happens via KS...

I don't have an issue with it, I in fact would have hoped Mike had already started planning on some sort of expansion release, be it a box game or some blister packs of new troop types. Majority of the work for the KS was already done, it was just a handful of LE sculpts that needed to be done. I don't see how starting on a new release would compromise the first box set as it was just concept art and sending out orders to sculptors for the most part.

If they had started another kickstarter before the ironed out the rules and delivered the product, then yes, I would be very upset.

CptJake wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
I don't really expect to get a rule book for free at a loss for CMON. If anything at the cost of the rule book.

I understand the reasoning for wanting the book for free.

I guess this was part of the risk as KS backers. We were guaranteed what it came with.

So, out of curiosity, if you had gotten miscast or broken figures would you have been willing to pay for a replacement?

Are broken rules that much different?

True.

Will have to find the link, but Studio McVey already announced on their forums an updated rule book will be available for download as pdf.

As for quality, I think they learned their lesson from this KS and are going back to a quality first. Still I was not disappointed with this KS. Even with the warping, the figs were still better than a bunch of other board games I played with droppy weapons and faceless blobs.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Piston Honda wrote:
I don't really expect to get a rule book for free at a loss for CMON. If anything at the cost of the rule book.

I understand the reasoning for wanting the book for free.

I guess this was part of the risk as KS backers. We were guaranteed what it came with.

So, out of curiosity, if you had gotten miscast or broken figures would you have been willing to pay for a replacement?

Are broken rules that much different?

If you buy a game in store and the models are fine but the rules just don't work or suck are the people you purchased it from going to take it back?

Yeah, I agree, there's a huge difference between a technical flaw (miscast, misprint, mispack) and a design flaw (rules issues, sculpt issues). A correct analogy would be, for instance, the "khador gap" of old: just about every one of the original Khador warjacks had a design flaw where the two body halves didn't meet up properly, so you'd need to file, bend, and/or fill the pieces until the gap went away. This wasn't a miscast, this was the original having a problem.

So, I ask you another analogous question: if you bought a model that, by design flaw, didn't fit perfectly, would you ask for a refund?

If I was lead to believe it would fit perfectly and the design flaw was hidden from me before the purchase, damn right I would ask for a refund.

These rules were supposed to have been playtested and ready to go. Not until after release was it admitted that they were not ready to go.

Curious to know if it would be possible to return a big mac at mcdonalds because it doesn't look like the picture.

On the picture it looks nice and juicy, tomatoes and lettuce full of color.

When you get it, it is gray in color, greasy and sloppy.

 Piston Honda wrote:
Curious to know if it would be possible to return a big mac at mcdonalds because it doesn't look like the picture.

On the picture it looks nice and juicy, tomatoes and lettuce full of color.

When you get it, it is gray in color, greasy and sloppy.

Would they take it back? Dunno. But if my food came out looking like that, yeah, I'd try to send it back.

Should they take it back? Of course... not just because they served crap, but because they have a reputation to safeguard.

There doesn't seem to be a question that this has had an impact on the reputation of McVey; just in this thread, a positive comment was,

silent25 wrote:
Will have to find the link, but Studio McVey already announced on their forums an updated rule book will be available for download as pdf.

As for quality, I think they learned their lesson from this KS and are going back to a quality first. Still I was not disappointed with this KS. Even with the warping, the figs were still better than a bunch of other board games I played with droppy weapons and faceless blobs.

When the campaign started their reputation was sky high. Now? You can rest assured that your stuff will be... better then horrible crap.

If I'm buying (£13/$23) a high end limited edition resin figure I expect it to be (near) perfect

If I'm paying much, much less (£0.70/$1) I don't expect it to be as good, even if the original sculpt was in resin, especially as the sculpt was designed with resin/metal in mind

It's just not going to happen (it would be great if it did, but nope, not going to happen)

Now with the new AoS figure I DO expect them to be better than the SW box stuff,

Studio McVey now knows what the PP style plastic does of sculpt reproduction.. should things be thicker/thinner, potential mould lines (get smarter about where you put them), put full assembly guides in the box (or a web link) etc

As to they SW rules, the perception is worse than the reality yes there are a few issues where it's nice to have Rob's input rad grenades) but most issues are minor, and won't bother most players. I'm hard pressed to think of any reletivly complex board game where the first run rules didn't have issues.

I wasn't expecting to see resin quality miniatures, however, I had guessed that quality would suffer greatly since they seemed to have gone the Bucket-o-Minis route, was hoping I was wrong.

I would say I am 50-50 on my predictions. The minis are better than many other companies out there, such as West Wind, many of the reaper minis, but not as good as say Infinity, Mercs, Ax Faction.

I wasn't expecting CMON/Mike to produce to the quality of said companies because of the method of manufacturing.

I would have been happy with 1/4 of the minis I received in exchange for minis with less mold lines and a bit crisper. And better quality components 1/8 to 3/16 boards with a boarder seal (like FFG's boards), stretch goals that gave us plastic tokens similar to GF9's tokens.

As personal pet-peeve, really wish we had stretch goals for original characters and troops rather than homages. Don't really care for them other than the firefly crew.

Overall I give the minis a C+ to a B-

I love SMV's resin minis, I really do- they're gorgeous and near-perfect casts... but they're also, like, $15-40 each. If you were expecting close to that with that price drop, I think it's safe to say that you were kidding yourself.

However (!), I think that most of this was the PITA mold lines, not the casts, which translated pretty well: I painted these two up resin vs. plastic,

and don't think that the quality, painted, is that noticeably worse. Call it, 80-90% which is great for around 6% of the cost...

However, yes, I'd have appreciated fewer better quality minis, but that's mostly because I get bored painting a lot of similar models, not because I had particular issue with the minis.

Someone posted that McVey studio said that the game rule where unready for release. Where is the post/ information I would love to read it myself. Till then that's a tall order to say such things. On another note the figs look good they are not resin but for 1-10th the price they are great. The mold lines kind of suck but I've gamed for a while and I can clean figs. The rules are really interesting. However they are written by a small team. U Can tell that it was proof read by people that know the rules. The game is playable if you are a veteran gamer. They are however, far short of what MUST be out out for paying backers. Version 1.5 next week so lets see if they get it right. 1 major thing I truly don't get a out KS. So you put out a game and have people fund it. Then it ships and the rules are subpar?!?!? WTF!! Some 4 thousand people buy in. Vet some find a few hard core gamers have them sign nondisclosure statement and have them proof the game. Is that so hard? I've backed 4 games and all of them had rule issues that could have been 90-95% cleared with that simple and FREE step. So there you have it love the figs like the game. But that's JMO. Thoughts?

Would having extra playtesters have helped fix up some of the rules yes

but it would probably have had to add several months onto the process

pass over rules to tester, wait for results, refine rules, repeat until everybody's happy

without knowing how studio mcveys/cmons funding was worked we don't know if this deley was even possible

(for example there could have been loans coming due meaning they had to get money in when they did)

silent25 wrote:
As for quality, I think they learned their lesson from this KS and are going back to a quality first.

They said the Kickstarter was going to be quality first. "The contents and play materials of the game are of the highest quality" and all that.

Yeah. Not that I was in the market for their LE resin anyway, but I expected something from McVey to, you know, do what it said on the tin.

From: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster

From the mind of industry legend Mike McVey, and created by the finest artists, miniatures sculptors and game designers, the contents and play materials of the game are of the highest quality.. Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster represents the best that miniatures gaming has to offer!

Please read this carefully, notably: "...the contents and play materials of this game are of the HIGHEST quality.. Sedition Wars: Battle for Alabaster represents the BEST that miniatures gaming has to offer!"

You want to tell me that was what we got with Sedition Wars? I dare you.

Reminds me of another company touting how their miniatures were a revolution and had changed the face of miniature wargaming...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Reminds me of another company touting how their miniatures were a revolution and had changed the face of miniature wargaming...

Well he did work for them.....

 IdentifyZero wrote:
From: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster

From the mind of industry legend Mike McVey, and created by the finest artists, miniatures sculptors and game designers, the contents and play materials of the game are of the highest quality.. Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster represents the best that miniatures gaming has to offer!

Please read this carefully, notably: "...the contents and play materials of this game are of the HIGHEST quality.. Sedition Wars: Battle for Alabaster represents the BEST that miniatures gaming has to offer!"

You want to tell me that was what we got with Sedition Wars? I dare you.

YMMV, obviously, but I have no complaints whatsoever regarding my set. The tiles are all square and flat, the counters aligned as well as any other game I've bought, and the minis look great. Maybe they sent all the good stuff to this part of the world?

 JoshInJapan wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
From: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster

From the mind of industry legend Mike McVey, and created by the finest artists, miniatures sculptors and game designers, the contents and play materials of the game are of the highest quality.. Sedition Wars : Battle for Alabaster represents the best that miniatures gaming has to offer!

Please read this carefully, notably: "...the contents and play materials of this game are of the HIGHEST quality.. Sedition Wars: Battle for Alabaster represents the BEST that miniatures gaming has to offer!"

You want to tell me that was what we got with Sedition Wars? I dare you.

YMMV, obviously, but I have no complaints whatsoever regarding my set. The tiles are all square and flat, the counters aligned as well as any other game I've bought, and the minis look great. Maybe they sent all the good stuff to this part of the world?

So you would call it the best miniatures on the market and of the highest quality?

If so, I have some companies I could show you. Well, namely, Studio McVeys own limited edition resin to start with!

silent25 wrote:
Well he did work for them.....

A billion years ago, sure.

They just didn't specify which miniatures. My resin Kara is awesome.

As for the normal game minis, they're honestly just fine. They're actually really good, even. I feel like I'm the only person that is not dissatisfied with my purchase and what I got for my money.

IdentifyZero you seem to not understand marketing. I mean have no understanding about anything about it at all. You want to hold a company to that. Wow. You must really love GW, FOW, PP, Mongoose, ect they all make up all kinds of clams about there stuff. I can't understand people crying about a turn of phrase. When was the last time any company in the world Marketed there product as "ok" or "good"? Its all the best that was ever created or thought of. LOL

 Absolutionis wrote:
They just didn't specify which miniatures. My resin Kara is awesome.

As for the normal game minis, they're honestly just fine. They're actually really good, even. I feel like I'm the only person that is not dissatisfied with my purchase and what I got for my money.

Such effusions of praise, no doubt they will find themselves on the boxes going forward "Studio McVey Miniatures, they're just fine!"

In fairness, it's probably best to think of Sedition Wars as a real test case for a lot of things that would characterize kickstarter campaigns for... what, about the next year? As it actually moves from people's fantasy to reality, it does seem to be injecting reality into campaigns. Witness the brutal response that Gates of Antares received when it failed to give evidence of the miniatures that would be part of it, or THON, or others...

 Absolutionis wrote:
They just didn't specify which miniatures. My resin Kara is awesome.

As for the normal game minis, they're honestly just fine. They're actually really good, even. I feel like I'm the only person that is not dissatisfied with my purchase and what I got for my money.

I'm in the same boat. Absolutely satisfied with what I got and totally baffled at the virulence of the negativity. I think the minis themselves are actually very, very good quality (especially considering the price) and the game is quite enjoyable as is.

I mean, the Kickstarter campaign meant that everyone who funded was getting involved in the "sausage-making" part of the process (i.e. you might like the end result, but no one wants to actually see how it's done) and it seems like people have been demanding from Studio McVey what they'd demand from, say, GW... totally disregarding the fact that this is the very first time SM has gone through the process of large scale miniature production and GW has decades of experience. In addition, SM's rise wasn't slow and steady like more established companies that grew through the 80's and 90's, but was a virtual explosion... and happened in the information age when everyone expects to know everything about everything right NOW. Complaining as much as some have just strikes me as displaying a lack of perspective about the whole situation.

Having said that, there are some real issues (predictably, IMO) and SM hasn't done a terribly good job of addressing them transparently (which is their prerogative, and fixing things like that is something consumers like us are usually not aware nor part of). I think the negative nature of the internet (and gaming forums in particular) has fueled the backlash and the further we get from the Kickstarter campaign, the more and more positive people's perspectives will be.

griffen127 wrote:
IdentifyZero you seem to not understand marketing. I mean have no understanding about anything about it at all. You want to hold a company to that. Wow. You must really love GW, FOW, PP, Mongoose, ect they all make up all kinds of clams about there stuff. I can't understand people crying about a turn of phrase. When was the last time any company in the world Marketed there product as "ok" or "good"? Its all the best that was ever created or thought of. LOL

Nice attempt at baiting Fresh-Faced New User.

 Gomez wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
They just didn't specify which miniatures. My resin Kara is awesome.

As for the normal game minis, they're honestly just fine. They're actually really good, even. I feel like I'm the only person that is not dissatisfied with my purchase and what I got for my money.

I'm in the same boat. Absolutely satisfied with what I got and totally baffled at the virulence of the negativity. I think the minis themselves are actually very, very good quality (especially considering the price) and the game is quite enjoyable as is.

I mean, the Kickstarter campaign meant that everyone who funded was getting involved in the "sausage-making" part of the process (i.e. you might like the end result, but no one wants to actually see how it's done) and it seems like people have been demanding from Studio McVey what they'd demand from, say, GW... totally disregarding the fact that this is the very first time SM has gone through the process of large scale miniature production and GW has decades of experience. In addition, SM's rise wasn't slow and steady like more established companies that grew through the 80's and 90's, but was a virtual explosion... and happened in the information age when everyone expects to know everything about everything right NOW. Complaining as much as some have just strikes me as displaying a lack of perspective about the whole situation.

Having said that, there are some real issues (predictably, IMO) and SM hasn't done a terribly good job of addressing them transparently (which is their prerogative, and fixing things like that is something consumers like us are usually not aware nor part of). I think the negative nature of the internet (and gaming forums in particular) has fueled the backlash and the further we get from the Kickstarter campaign, the more and more positive people's perspectives will be.

Actually? I expected the quality I expect from Studio McVey. I'd be happy to go take a photo right now and show you the roughly $1000 I've dropped on their products before Sedition Wars. I can guarantee, I was buying Studio McVey and Sedition Wars products before 3/4 of the posters on this board had any idea who they were aside from maybe seeing Mike's name alongside 'Eavy Metal at one point.

So no, I didn't buy this, (Yes, these were purchases, we all purchased these) under the pretenses of hoping for Games Workshop levels of quality. I bought this under the promise of the typical high quality product Studio McVey delivers. They promised us the very best available on the market. In many cases, I might agree when it comes to the resin limited editions they release but not this boardgame/miniatures game.

Unfortunately, the people who are extremely happy with Sedition Wars are in the minority. If you go check out the actual Sedition Wars topic, I gave the game a good review; it wasn't what they advertised to us though.


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For the record? I think the majority of the negativity with Studio McVey seems to be the fact that they gave us very little communication after the project was funded and Kickstarter ended.

Please don't blame CMON.

They waited till the last minute to advise us of delays and made no real communication attempts until they saw that people were going crazy with rage. Remember the forums debacle over on Studio McVey? The activity plummeted there after.

Studio McVey did indeed have a quick and I am sad to say, likely short rise due to failing to address very simple aspects of the business they have and the consumer base.

Battle for Alabaster is retailing for $60 everywhere and going on sale for $50 or less as we've already seen.

(How many people were happy to see a professional painter outsourced to paint Gnosis Armor Kara?) ^.^

Sedition Wars is selling around 72 to 75 dollars online, typical discount on large online discount stores.

the only time I saw it for 50 bucks on a standard retail outlet was MM's daily deal and ebay auctions from people who have already opened it and some cases gave them terrible paint jobs.

 Gomez wrote:
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I mean, the Kickstarter campaign meant that everyone who funded was getting involved in the "sausage-making" part of the process (i.e. you might like the end result, but no one wants to actually see how it's done) and it seems like people have been demanding from Studio McVey what they'd demand from, say, GW... totally disregarding the fact that this is the very first time SM has gone through the process of large scale miniature production and GW has decades of experience. In addition, SM's rise wasn't slow and steady like more established companies that grew through the 80's and 90's, but was a virtual explosion... and happened in the information age when everyone expects to know everything about everything right NOW. Complaining as much as some have just strikes me as displaying a lack of perspective about the whole situation....

Not to beat up on you, but this is a strange attitude that people seem to adopt, not only here, but in video games especially these days: the notion that one ought to compare products not as the market is now, but as they once entered the market. This was a constant drumbeat about a year ago when people where saying Star Wars: the Old Republic wasn't up to snuff compared to the games on the market... but people insisted you ought to compare it to the Warcraft of 5 years ago. As if a new Car maker would be properly compared to a Model-T Ford!

Again though, what is most interesting about these things is the way subsequent companies have built on the example (sometimes cautionary example).

 IdentifyZero wrote:

Actually? I expected the quality I expect from Studio McVey. I'd be happy to go take a photo right now and show you the roughly $1000 I've dropped on their products before Sedition Wars. I can guarantee, I was buying Studio McVey and Sedition Wars products before 3/4 of the posters on this board had any idea who they were aside from maybe seeing Mike's name alongside 'Eavy Metal at one point.

So no, I didn't buy this, (Yes, these were purchases, we all purchased these) under the pretenses of hoping for Games Workshop levels of quality. I bought this under the promise of the typical high quality product Studio McVey delivers. They promised us the very best available on the market. In many cases, I might agree when it comes to the resin limited editions they release but not this boardgame/miniatures game.

Unfortunately, the people who are extremely happy with Sedition Wars are in the minority. If you go check out the actual Sedition Wars topic, I gave the game a good review; it wasn't what they advertised to us though.

I understand where you're coming from with this - you had experience with SM's pieces and expected the same with Sedition Wars. I think the problem is that very experience though. SM was pretty clear about what they were producing: a wide release game using a significantly different material than their resin. Is it fair to expect the exact same quality? And to hold them to their claims of "highest quality" etc. isn't fair, either. Every single company in the world talks about their product in the exact same way - why are you denigrating SM so much for it?

Also, it's a little disingenuous to say those who are happy with Sedition Wars are in the minority when those with even slightly negative attitudes toward a product tend to voice their displeasure much more and more vocally than those with positive attitudes toward it. I think the truism I heard was for every one person who complains about a product online there are ten people who are happy with that same product who just don't feel the same sense of urgency to convince others of their POV. I'm not completely happy with everything, and the general amount of negativity around the game should definitely be a high priority concern for SM, but that doesn't mean that those complainers are a representative sample.

 IdentifyZero wrote:

For the record? I think the majority of the negativity with Studio McVey seems to be the fact that they gave us very little communication after the project was funded and Kickstarter ended.

Please don't blame CMON.

They waited till the last minute to advise us of delays and made no real communication attempts until they saw that people were going crazy with rage. Remember the forums debacle over on Studio McVey? The activity plummeted there after.

Studio McVey did indeed have a quick and I am sad to say, likely short rise due to failing to address very simple aspects of the business they have and the consumer base.

Battle for Alabaster is retailing for $60 everywhere and going on sale for $50 or less as we've already seen.

(How many people were happy to see a professional painter outsourced to paint Gnosis Armor Kara?) ^.^

I agree with most of what you're saying is upsetting people. But it goes directly back to the "sausage-making" analogy... Getting a product made and out the door is not always an easy process, and in a traditional situation none of us would expect to hear very much if anything about it. We would see the product on shelves and in catalogs and we'd think it pretty cool. KS definitely added an element of entitlement that IMO is problematic. Why should we as the consumer expect to know about every delay in production? Do we "deserve" to know all the nitty-gritty details? I don't think so, and I find it sort of egotistical to assume the company needs to cater to me through a part of the process I have no control or influence in, but clearly some (many?) don't see it the same way.

Finally, can you explain the problem with the painting of Gnosis Kara? I don't get what the issue is, but I'd like to know what others are thinking about it.


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 Buzzsaw wrote:

Not to beat up on you, but this is a strange attitude that people seem to adopt, not only here, but in video games especially these days: the notion that one ought to compare products not as the market is now, but as they once entered the market. This was a constant drumbeat about a year ago when people where saying Star Wars: the Old Republic wasn't up to snuff compared to the games on the market... but people insisted you ought to compare it to the Warcraft of 5 years ago. As if a new Car maker would be properly compared to a Model-T Ford!

Again though, what is most interesting about these things is the way subsequent companies have built on the example (sometimes cautionary example).

I see it less comparing current products to old ones and more like comparing people with experience to people without it. It's why people generally accept certain types of mistakes from rookie athletes that they'd be furious about coming from veterans.

SM is the rookie in the mass-produced mini game, and if they make some mistakes because of that, I'll give them something of a pass. For their next venture - and for each progressive one after that - my expectations will be a little higher. Does that make more sense?

I was happy with the product. The quality of the figures were great, and certainly comparable to some of the resins I've bought from Studio McVey in the past. I'm eyeballing my Katya right now... had to do emergency surgery when I realized she was wearing a diaper. Getting back on track, my opinion on the quality of Sedition Wars figs would still stand whether there were miscasts or not (I had none).

I didn't play the game so no idea about the rules. But, I wasn't planning on playing it until years later with my kids when they're grown up anyways.

My only gripe is the plastic is a bit too tough. I dulls your blade rather fast.

 Gomez wrote:
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I understand where you're coming from with this - you had experience with SM's pieces and expected the same with Sedition Wars. I think the problem is that very experience though. SM was pretty clear about what they were producing: a wide release game using a significantly different material than their resin. Is it fair to expect the exact same quality? And to hold them to their claims of "highest quality" etc. isn't fair, either. Every single company in the world talks about their product in the exact same way - why are you denigrating SM so much for it?

Also, it's a little disingenuous to say those who are happy with Sedition Wars are in the minority when those with even slightly negative attitudes toward a product tend to voice their displeasure much more and more vocally than those with positive attitudes toward it. I think the truism I heard was for every one person who complains about a product online there are ten people who are happy with that same product who just don't feel the same sense of urgency to convince others of their POV. I'm not completely happy with everything, and the general amount of negativity around the game should definitely be a high priority concern for SM, but that doesn't mean that those complainers are a representative sample. ...

First, the art of advertising is not nearly so clumsy as you imply: advertisements are couched in a number of equivocations or non-provable terms precisely to make direct comparisons difficult. The problem with SM is that they a) traded almost entirely on their reputation for models of a certain quality, b) made repeated and explicit assurances that the product in question would be of similarly high quality, and c) ultimately delivered something... good? Something certainly that can be agreed to be of a level with other board games of a high quality, but certainly not a product leaps and bounds above comparable games, consider Dreadball, for example.

Of particular interest is the quality of subsequent board games such as Kingdom Death: Monster. Having seen the hit that SM took to their reputation (and being obsessively concerned with quality), Poots seems bound and determined to produce superlative game pieces.

Second, while the notion is common that complainers are more likely to speak up and are unrepresentative, it is by no means a truism, and in fact is quite possibly the very opposite of reality. From that, an excellent business maxim of Marshall Fields: "Those who buy, support me. Those who come to flatter, please me. Those who complain teach me how I may please others so they will buy. The only ones that hurt me are those who are displeased but do not complain. They refuse me permission to correct my errors and thus improve my service."

The greatest danger going forward for any KS campaign isn't necessarily from the numbers of complaints, but the number of people that consider the final product... uninspiring. Loving it or hating it is one thing, but at the end of the process going "meh"? That's a very big problem...

Maybe we should all withdraw our pledges...

 Gomez wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:

Not to beat up on you, but this is a strange attitude that people seem to adopt, not only here, but in video games especially these days: the notion that one ought to compare products not as the market is now, but as they once entered the market. This was a constant drumbeat about a year ago when people where saying Star Wars: the Old Republic wasn't up to snuff compared to the games on the market... but people insisted you ought to compare it to the Warcraft of 5 years ago. As if a new Car maker would be properly compared to a Model-T Ford!

Again though, what is most interesting about these things is the way subsequent companies have built on the example (sometimes cautionary example).

I see it less comparing current products to old ones and more like comparing people with experience to people without it. It's why people generally accept certain types of mistakes from rookie athletes that they'd be furious about coming from veterans.

SM is the rookie in the mass-produced mini game, and if they make some mistakes because of that, I'll give them something of a pass. For their next venture - and for each progressive one after that - my expectations will be a little higher. Does that make more sense?

The problem with this view is that it assumes an unreasonable level of familiarity with the product and its manufacturer on the part of the consumer. This is not to say there isn't a certain logic in what you say, but it is a peculiar and rather unusual way of shopping, you would agree? How many people that are buying at the retail point have any idea who or what SM is? Or C'MoN? How many consumers will do a search and be persuaded by complaints? No one can know. Products tend to stand or fall on their own, especially in a situation where the main following of the company is in a different area of commerce then the new product (Resin miniatures versus mass market board games, here).

Again, it's perfectly reasonable to give a company some latitude and forgive them their teething pains. But it is also important to realize that not everyone will be so forgiving.

 Buzzsaw wrote:


First, the art of advertising is not nearly so clumsy as you imply: advertisements are couched in a number of equivocations or non-provable terms precisely to make direct comparisons difficult. The problem with SM is that they a) traded almost entirely on their reputation for models of a certain quality, b) made repeated and explicit assurances that the product in question would be of similarly high quality, and c) ultimately delivered something... good? Something certainly that can be agreed to be of a level with other board games of a high quality, but certainly not a product leaps and bounds above comparable games, consider Dreadball, for example.

Of particular interest is the quality of subsequent board games such as Kingdom Death: Monster. Having seen the hit that SM took to their reputation (and being obsessively concerned with quality), Poots seems bound and determined to produce superlative game pieces.

Second, while the notion is common that complainers are more likely to speak up and are unrepresentative, it is by no means a truism, and in fact is quite possibly the very opposite of reality. From that, an excellent business maxim of Marshall Fields: "Those who buy, support me. Those who come to flatter, please me. Those who complain teach me how I may please others so they will buy. The only ones that hurt me are those who are displeased but do not complain. They refuse me permission to correct my errors and thus improve my service."

The greatest danger going forward for any KS campaign isn't necessarily from the numbers of complaints, but the number of people that consider the final product... uninspiring. Loving it or hating it is one thing, but at the end of the process going "meh"? That's a very big problem...

First, that article was interesting - thanks for linking it (though it does only look at the issue via different types of complainers, rather than complainers vs. non-complainers).

Second, I agree with you that SM was trading on their reputation and has now taken a hit to it. I guess all along I assumed there would be a (not-terribly-significant) dip in quality because of the difference in material, and I took their assurances of quality with that caveat in mind. And I got more or less what I expected (some sculpts a little lower in quality than I expected, and some a little better). Clearly, others didn't see it from the same perspective.

In the end I suppose I'm just a forgiving guy who is willing to look beyond a few missteps due to inexperience - so long as they fix them as they move forward. So I guess we'll see how long people like me are satisfied with SM's products.

 Gomez wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:


First, the art of advertising is not nearly so clumsy as you imply: advertisements are couched in a number of equivocations or non-provable terms precisely to make direct comparisons difficult. The problem with SM is that they a) traded almost entirely on their reputation for models of a certain quality, b) made repeated and explicit assurances that the product in question would be of similarly high quality, and c) ultimately delivered something... good? Something certainly that can be agreed to be of a level with other board games of a high quality, but certainly not a product leaps and bounds above comparable games, consider Dreadball, for example.

Of particular interest is the quality of subsequent board games such as Kingdom Death: Monster. Having seen the hit that SM took to their reputation (and being obsessively concerned with quality), Poots seems bound and determined to produce superlative game pieces.

Second, while the notion is common that complainers are more likely to speak up and are unrepresentative, it is by no means a truism, and in fact is quite possibly the very opposite of reality. From that, an excellent business maxim of Marshall Fields: "Those who buy, support me. Those who come to flatter, please me. Those who complain teach me how I may please others so they will buy. The only ones that hurt me are those who are displeased but do not complain. They refuse me permission to correct my errors and thus improve my service."

The greatest danger going forward for any KS campaign isn't necessarily from the numbers of complaints, but the number of people that consider the final product... uninspiring. Loving it or hating it is one thing, but at the end of the process going "meh"? That's a very big problem...

First, that article was interesting - thanks for linking it (though it does only look at the issue via different types of complainers, rather than complainers vs. non-complainers).

Second, I agree with you that SM was trading on their reputation and has now taken a hit to it. I guess all along I assumed there would be a (not-terribly-significant) dip in quality because of the difference in material, and I took their assurances of quality with that caveat in mind. And I got more or less what I expected (some sculpts a little lower in quality than I expected, and some a little better). Clearly, others didn't see it from the same perspective.

In the end I suppose I'm just a forgiving guy who is willing to look beyond a few missteps due to inexperience - so long as they fix them as they move forward. So I guess we'll see how long people like me are satisfied with SM's products.

I'm a forgiving guy to, I recently spent close to $400 in the Studio McVey webstore even after all this BS.

The problem with this, as you've now agreed; they traded their reputation for this. Forget about retail release and how we would not see anything, this was not retail; this was via kickstarter and it is very different from releasing a product to market on your own.

Reputation is a very hard thing to build back up.


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Also, Meeplemart (Online & Brick'n'Mortar) retailer in Canada (they have a website to) sells the game for $62.95 new.

http://www.meeplemart.com/collections/sedition-wars/products/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe we should all withdraw our pledges...

Or not pledge at all


Izero...So this product has good a bad reviews like any other? There is always going to be people who like what they got and others that don't... Minority and majority? Who the hell has those numbers? Seems far fetched to claim your opinion is the majority. I tell you what, not even Mcvey knows that because its just something you cannot track accurately... One person Like yourself can complain constantly about everything ( like simultaneous projects, not exactly as marketed etc) while others may not manifest a opinion at all...

And yes the user you discarded so politely as fresh user does have a point about marketing.

The only new thing about people complaining about a product here is that somehow KS's gives them some kind of illusion of entitlement regarding the company they KS'ed... Just because you pledged on a project it does not make you anything else but a customer preordering... you dont have a say about the company or the projects they wish to develop... heck the moment you pledge and the company takes your money and only delivers stuff so many months later you are lucky if you get your minis in the first place! because its going to be a pain if you want to cancel credit card charge so many months later... So yes big risk and its not worth the hassle if you ask me.

This reminds me now that the reviews are out there I can have an educated decision about this product... going to pass and only pick up a couple of the limited editions for painting, saved me 60, 70 or whatever money. That is my "reward".

 NAVARRO wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Maybe we should all withdraw our pledges...

Or not pledge at all


Izero...So this product has good a bad reviews like any other? There is always going to be people who like what they got and others that don't... Minority and majority? Who the hell has those numbers? Seems far fetched to claim your opinion is the majority. I tell you what, not even Mcvey knows that because its just something you cannot track accurately... One person Like yourself can complain constantly about everything ( like simultaneous projects, not exactly as marketed etc) while others may not manifest a opinion at all...

And yes the user you discarded so politely as fresh user does have a point about marketing.

The only new thing about people complaining about a product here is that somehow KS's gives them some kind of illusion of entitlement regarding the company they KS'ed... Just because you pledged on a project it does not make you anything else but a customer preordering... you dont have a say about the company or the projects they wish to develop... heck the moment you pledge and the company takes your money and only delivers stuff so many months later you are lucky if you get your minis in the first place! because its going to be a pain if you want to cancel credit card charge so many months later... So yes big risk and its not worth the hassle if you ask me.

This reminds me now that the reviews are out there I can have an educated decision about this product... going to pass and only pick up a couple of the limited editions for painting, saved me 60, 70 or whatever money. That is my "reward".

I don't appreciate your response based on skimming comments to try and present a false and illusory sense of superiority to your point.

If you notice, I gave Sedition Wars a great review on Dakka, go look for it, if you can be bothered; if you had actually read my posts here you would notice I mentioned that as well.

I doubt you saved $60-$70 either because the average Limited Edition Figure will probably be selling for upwards of $30. Guys like me will still be making money hand over fist when Phase 2 comes due to all the people who want the LE figures but didn't want to pledge.

That doesn't change the fact that this product was not at all what was advertised or what we paid for. I'm going to use an example of a Video Game that recently had a huge debacle in response to your preorder argument.

Heard of the War Z? They made some terribly false claims about the video game they 'pre-sold' to people before release.

These claims were so bad, STEAM refunded everyone who purchased The War Z and kicked War Z off steam.

The difference between Steam and Kickstarter, is Kickstarter has no accountability.

Also? Trust me. Mr. McVey knows what is thought of his most recent product and he is a very sad man due to giving up his reputation for a few extra bucks.

 IdentifyZero wrote:

I don't appreciate your response based on skimming comments to try and present a false and illusory sense of superiority to your point.

If you notice, I gave Sedition Wars a great review on Dakka, go look for it, if you can be bothered; if you had actually read my posts here you would notice I mentioned that as well.

I doubt you saved $60-$70 either because the average Limited Edition Figure will probably be selling for upwards of $30. Guys like me will still be making money hand over fist when Phase 2 comes due to all the people who want the LE figures but didn't want to pledge.

That doesn't change the fact that this product was not at all what was advertised or what we paid for. I'm going to use an example of a Video Game that recently had a huge debacle in response to your preorder argument.

Heard of the War Z? They made some terribly false claims about the video game they 'pre-sold' to people before release.

These claims were so bad, STEAM refunded everyone who purchased The War Z and kicked War Z off steam.

The difference between Steam and Kickstarter, is Kickstarter has no accountability.

Also? Trust me. Mr. McVey knows what is thought of his most recent product and he is a very sad man due to giving up his reputation for a few extra bucks.

Sense o what? You really need to take a break man

You would probably pay 30 for ltd and that is because you dont plan ahead

As for false claims... errr depends on your perspective for some they fulfilled their claims for other they did not.

Mcvey is a stellar fella, I have seen and talked with him in person if there is one person not happy with his stuff he will do all in his power to help out, that is the kind of guy he is so you are not giving any news here.

The point some do not seem to notice is that KS's are putting a huge stress on small companies, both the ones that enter KS and the others that dont... Small companies have a huge problem handling high volumes and need to adjust fast... by adjustments I mean cut corners, adjust timings etc

 NAVARRO wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

I don't appreciate your response based on skimming comments to try and present a false and illusory sense of superiority to your point.

If you notice, I gave Sedition Wars a great review on Dakka, go look for it, if you can be bothered; if you had actually read my posts here you would notice I mentioned that as well.

I doubt you saved $60-$70 either because the average Limited Edition Figure will probably be selling for upwards of $30. Guys like me will still be making money hand over fist when Phase 2 comes due to all the people who want the LE figures but didn't want to pledge.

That doesn't change the fact that this product was not at all what was advertised or what we paid for. I'm going to use an example of a Video Game that recently had a huge debacle in response to your preorder argument.

Heard of the War Z? They made some terribly false claims about the video game they 'pre-sold' to people before release.

These claims were so bad, STEAM refunded everyone who purchased The War Z and kicked War Z off steam.

The difference between Steam and Kickstarter, is Kickstarter has no accountability.

Also? Trust me. Mr. McVey knows what is thought of his most recent product and he is a very sad man due to giving up his reputation for a few extra bucks.

As an aside, that's a really cool website you have, I thought that confrontation warband you did looked especially sweet.

(Yeah this has nothing to do with the topic but I thought his site was cool, click it if you have not.)

I dunno.... I thought the quality of the Sedition Wars presentation was realy high. My Resin Kara was exactly what I expected from a Studio McVey resin and the plastics were superior to most plastics I own, ESPECIALLY in a board game. Crisp detail, varied sculpts, fun to paint, etc.

I don't feel Studio McVey '[gave] up his reputation' at all....

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
From what they last said they weren't doing a KS for the expansion.

So has McVey actually made a recent announcement stating that there won't be an Arm of Sorrow Kickstarter? i remember last year they said that the next SW expansion was going to be a straight release, but their plans could have easily changed within that time frame.

I really can't see CMON passing up on the opportunity to make a ridiculous amount of money off of another Sedition Wars Kickstarter, especially After the massive success that they had recently with Zombicide: Season 2.

 NAVARRO wrote:

Mcvey is a stellar fella, I have seen and talked with him in person if there is one person not happy with his stuff he will do all in his power to help out, that is the kind of guy he is so you are not giving any news here.

Let's not use hyperbole here.


While I'm sure Mike is a great guy in person, etc - I'm not happy with the mess of a rulebook the game came with, and I'd like a proper printed rulebook over having to print out a PDF. I'm 100% sure Mike would have it in his power to post me a replacement rulebook, and I'm also pretty sure it's not going to happen...

 Azazelx wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

Mcvey is a stellar fella, I have seen and talked with him in person if there is one person not happy with his stuff he will do all in his power to help out, that is the kind of guy he is so you are not giving any news here.

Let's not use hyperbole here.


While I'm sure Mike is a great guy in person, etc - I'm not happy with the mess of a rulebook the game came with, and I'd like a proper printed rulebook over having to print out a PDF. I'm 100% sure Mike would have it in his power to post me a replacement rulebook, and I'm also pretty sure it's not going to happen...

This is what I brought up earlier, how they should be printing us off a brand new rulebook.

People argue we should pay or print it off via PDF.

Don't worry, I've sent my thoughts to Mr. McVey and if he values the revenue he has made from me at all every year (I think a few thousand from the same customer consistently is noticeable for a resin boutique) he will definitely take a look into making the consumer base happy. Otherwise, I'll just give up on Sedition Wars now.

People are complaining about how horrible GW is in a few other threads, but man, does GW ever really fail to deliver what they promise in terms of quality?

 Azazelx wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

Mcvey is a stellar fella, I have seen and talked with him in person if there is one person not happy with his stuff he will do all in his power to help out, that is the kind of guy he is so you are not giving any news here.

Let's not use hyperbole here.


While I'm sure Mike is a great guy in person, etc - I'm not happy with the mess of a rulebook the game came with, and I'd like a proper printed rulebook over having to print out a PDF. I'm 100% sure Mike would have it in his power to post me a replacement rulebook, and I'm also pretty sure it's not going to happen...

actually, from SMV site recently,
[quote name='Studio McVey - Mike' timestamp='1365069974' post='16759']
I'm exploring if we can make printed versions of the rules and cards available separately - that is certainly my preferred option, but ultimately it's not my decision.

I'll do all I can though - and keep you posted.

mike

There's plenty of accounts of McVey being a super-likable guy. I believe it was Poots of Kingdom Death that also recounted how it was his personal interactions with McVey that helped him so much.

I don't think anyone is stating that Studio McVey is being meanie-butts.

 Absolutionis wrote:
There's plenty of accounts of McVey being a super-likable guy. I believe it was Poots of Kingdom Death that also recounted how it was his personal interactions with McVey that helped him so much.

I don't think anyone is stating that Studio McVey is being meanie-butts.

I don't think anyone is stating that either. Mike has thrown in free figures before for me as well.

The problem is, they didn't deliver what was promised and now they have a chance to make it right. A big step would be taking a hit even to insure we all get rulebooks and revised cards if they are needed. It's easy to forget, Kickstarter funded his boardgame and without all that support it wouldn't have been a success to them like it was (based on the upgrades we unlocked via KS, imagine some of the shittier game pieces we would have had if no KS).

Otherwise, I don't think it will bode well for the expansion or success of the game.

If they can manage to work out a way to get a print copy done I'll probably pick it up,

otherwise I'll just get it printed from the pdf

I would prefer to get a printed copy, but if i have to print out the PDF, so be it. I just got a couple of Print and Play games printed out at Office Max, where they were running a 25 cent-per-color copy special. Wise shopping can make for a pretty cheap rulebook.

I'm just happy they are re-doing the Rulebook, as it was laid out horribly, with several glaring flaws. Free to KS pledges would be awesome (especially because mine arrived with the cover nearly torn off, before I even noticed the flaws in it), but I doubt that'll happen.

I'm not sure about Arms of Sorrow. I already kinda regret buying into the Kickstarter at 150 dollars, especially as I doubt I could even make the original cost money back by selling it on Ebay.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I would prefer to get a printed copy, but if i have to print out the PDF, so be it. I just got a couple of Print and Play games printed out at Office Max, where they were running a 25 cent-per-color copy special. Wise shopping can make for a pretty cheap rulebook.

I'm just happy they are re-doing the Rulebook, as it was laid out horribly, with several glaring flaws. Free to KS pledges would be awesome (especially because mine arrived with the cover nearly torn off, before I even noticed the flaws in it), but I doubt that'll happen.

I'm not sure about Arms of Sorrow. I already kinda regret buying into the Kickstarter at 150 dollars, especially as I doubt I could even make the original cost money back by selling it on Ebay.

So far the only way you can remake your money is to sell a full biohazazard including Phase 2. You may get up to $180 (That's the most I've seen them go for on ebay). As it is, the base game is currently retailing for less than we paid... lol

That's what I may try to do after Wave 2 finally arrives, because I bought a THI suit and the not-Ripley as well as the free stretch goals. I'll have to see what the updated rulebook and unit cards looks like first, because right now my Wife would be the first person i teach the game to, and the current rulebook needs far too much TLC to do that without losing her interest. Maybe the stretch goal models will get the game to the place that I was looking for in a skirmish game, I dunno.

Or maybe it was just me trying to stretch my collection that "one miniatures game too far", lol

I really like that they are moving forward with Arms of Sorrow, it's just too bad that Battle For Alabaster needed more polish before being released, and got attention to some things that were less important than others that were neccessary. I mean, we got fancy faction-engraved dice and Nano markers as a stretch goal, but not wound trackers for the unit cards???

I would just like the 2 resin Karas and the replacement boards I requested show up. Been over a month, and three emails, and no information, no updates, no nothing. CMON is the one that is responsible for that.

I'm in the same boat. Absolutely satisfied with what I got and totally baffled at the virulence of the negativity

Dito.

Also people should take prices into consideration, cause for that price the minis I get are among the best on the market. I repeat: I consider their quality in relation to what I payed for every single mini I got.

The only thing that is a little bit bad is the boards, but on the other hand, there are quite some regular games out there that have similar problems with their boards and considering how many boards I got i can live with a few edges I have to flatten and to have some of the boards put under a feww books for 1-2 days to straighten them.

I was pleased withe the stuff I got. I could care less if I get a weekely update or not as long as the stuff shows up.

Businesses always advertise their stuff as being the "best" and "highest quality", which you can never take as absolute face value.... If you can't approach marketing with a grain of salt I'd hate to see how bad you get bent over at a car dealership. Nobody ever claims to make products as the "simply ok for those on a limited budget", or "almost the best but not quite".


The quality of the figures I thought was fine, perfectly suited for tabletop game play and the production value of the game graphics and packaging is top rate. The rules have some glitches but very few comapnies pull off a home run with their rules set on the first pass. You probably never dealt with the abortion that was Rogue Trader, 40k wasn't so pretty either in it's early release.

Most companies have a fairly rough start with their inital rules release and usually follow up with at least a revised version or a second edition to help close those gaps. Some multi-million dollar companies are on their 6th or even 8th edition and still manage to screw up. I don't find much fault with a small start up company experiencing normal launch difficulties. The fact that they are addressing the rules issues with a PDF shows they are at least putting in a good faith effort to fix some of the problem rather than just sticking their head in the sand of denial like a certain large company does. I much prefer to get a PDF that I can download and use immediately, a printed version is nice but adds months of lead time before it can be schedualed with most printers meaning you might have to wait half a year or more for a hard copy.

I'm sorry if you felt you were shorted but there are also plenty of people who quite satisfied with what we got, it's likely due to having differing levels of expectations.

 paulson games wrote:
I was pleased withe the stuff I got. I could care less if I get a weekely update or not as long as the stuff shows up.

Businesses always advertise their stuff as being the "best" and "highest quality", which you can never take as absolute face value.... If you can't approach marketing with a grain of salt I'd hate to see how bad you get bent over at a car dealership. Nobody ever claims to make products as the "simply ok for those on a limited budget", or "almost the best but not quite".


The quality of the figures I thought was fine, perfectly suited for tabletop game play and the production value of the game graphics and packaging is top rate. The rules have some glitches but very few comapnies pull off a home run with their rules set on the first pass. You probably never dealt with the abortion that was Rogue Trader, 40k wasn't so pretty either in it's early release.

Most companies have a fairly rough start with their inital rules release and usually follow up with at least a revised version or a second edition to help close those gaps. Some multi-million dollar companies are on their 6th or even 8th edition and still manage to screw up. I don't find much fault with a small start up company experiencing normal launch difficulties. The fact that they are addressing the rules issues with a PDF shows they are at least putting in a good faith effort to fix some of the problem rather than just sticking their head in the sand of denial like a certain large company does. I much prefer to get a PDF that I can download and use immediately, a printed version is nice but adds months of lead time before it can be schedualed with most printers meaning you might have to wait half a year or more for a hard copy.

I'm sorry if you felt you were shorted but there are also plenty of people who quite satisfied with what we got, it's likely due to having differing levels of expectations.

I'm sorry that you're still sitting here using your straw man argument.

False advertising whether or not it is something that happens on a regular basis, is in fact something that companies should take quite seriously. If you are American and pay any attention to the things that occur within your country, you would note that false advertisement makes up a good percentage of claims court and large companies are taken to court on a regular basis for false advertising on a far larger basis than Studio McVey could dream of.

Paulson Games, I get that you have empathy for Studio McVey being a small gaming company to and I bet that makes you feel like some kind of expert, good for you mate it doesn't make you saying everything is fine with it; fix the problem.

Anyone who wants to sit here and say that Sedition Wars was a perfect product out of the box and doesn't need revised rules is absolutely and utterly ******** (I won't say the word). Studio McVey acknowledges themselves they released a garbage rulebook and it needs to be entirely revised and lo and behold, they did revise it.

I've said they need to issue us that rulebook for free. Why some of you have a problem with that is beyond me? I do know it has had multiple people attacking me and many others agreeing, that damn right, they do want a replacement rulebook issued to them. Tell me again, why I should put out another $30 to play a game I already paid for?

That's right, I should not have to. The game should have been properly playtested to begin with.

I'm going to have to attribute this attitude to either willful ignorance, a total lack of knowledge of gaming systems of any kind or a strange fanboi desire to defend Studio McVey from any criticism.

Furthermore, to anyone who wants to try to ad hominem attack me, go back to the Original Studio McVey topic and read my review of Sedition Wars.

Thank you kindly for not trying to rebuttal this, it's a waste of your time.

P.S. - Don't make assumptions about what I have or haven't played, it just makes you look like a condescending little goblin. (P.S. Rogue Trader also never claimed to be the best on all of miniatures available at the time, at least not that I can find nor has any other game I can think of in recent or long term memory; mind naming me some other miniatures games outside of Sedition Wars that claim to be the best of the best?_

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Anyone who wants to sit here and say that Sedition Wars was a perfect product out of the box

Is anyone saying that?

 Manchu wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
Anyone who wants to sit here and say that Sedition Wars was a perfect product out of the box

Is anyone saying that?

A great deal of people (A vocal group on this forums) are arguing just that, that SW had no flaws out of the box and doesn't need any revisions and was exactly what was advertised.

I like you manchu, you're a reasonable guy. Can you pleeeease tell me what other recent games have made the same advertising tagline as Sedition Wars in the miniatures world? I'm looking and unable to find any other company claiming to have the highest quality/highest standard blah blah blah in miniatures gaming.

(Note: GW does have a statement they make the finest miniatures and games in the world.)

As much as I would love to read another thread on arguments about how Sedition Wars products failed to deliver, were amazing, terrible service, highest quality ever, ect here is the link for that:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/3780/451585.page

Conveniently enough there is already lots of arguing there.

This section is for news and rumors of upcoming products.

str00dles1 wrote:
As much as I would love to read another thread on arguments about how Sedition Wars products failed to deliver, were amazing, terrible service, highest quality ever, ect here is the link for that:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/3780/451585.page

Conveniently enough there is already lots of arguing there.

This section is for news and rumors of upcoming products.

Yeah, I agree with this guy ^^

Quit your arguing and let us wait for some actual news (pretty please! )

@IdentifyZero: Well, you're talking about 2 separate points there: point one is whether or not Studio McVey claims Sedition Wars is perfect and point two is whether anyone ITT is claiming Sedition Wars is perfect.

Point one: Studio McVey hyped up their product on KS with some OTT language about being the best and highest quality. Fair play to anyone who feels that was overblown. And Studio McVey's own actions seem to belie their rulebook being "highest quality." OTOH, GW is a good example of how trustworthy a "highest quality" sales pitch really is.

Point two: I don't think anyone ITT (I admit, I may have misread) is saying Sedition Wars is perfect. I mean, you explicitly accused Paulson Games of deploying a strawman argument -- but it seems like that's actually what you are doing. Paulson Games didn't say Sedition Wars was perfect; rather he said he was satisfied and had a lower level of expectation than you.

OK actual news and rumors (as that's what this thread is called)

Arms of Sorrow - stand alone game but can also be used as an expansion for BfA.
Release date late 2013 (that depends on a later point)
MSRP $90

Miniatures - 20+ new sculpts, Vanguard versus Strain only about half seen so far and some of those are still in a WIP state.
I've asked Mike if the Firebrand or Bounty Hunters appear in AoS I don't believe they do that's for the next expansion. I'll let you know when I hear back.
The game is a good bit further on in the development stage than it appears in the picture from GAMA.

Expect to hear something more official in the next few weeks but Mike doesn't want to say anything yet until it's 100% definite.

That is not a generic Gnosis suit.

The Arms of Sorrow is a Bastion class ship and is in orbit over Alabaster station at the time of BfA. The game/expansion takes place on board the AoS from the current fluff at the end of BfA the AoS has been compromised by the Strain, Kara and her team are MIA (so expect other Vanguard characters to feature). 80% of the crew have been "turned" the rest have evacuated and a small force is left trying to hold back the Strain. The Strain are trying to take over the ship and fly it into the Alabaster system core where the Vanguard and Firebrand forces are currently engaged. The Strain are ultimately looking for new resources. The AoS AI Tumult has been unable to engage the self destruct so is instead trying to crash the AoS into the nearest star to prevent the strain spreading.

From trask at livingdice.com via SMV forums who spoke with Mike at GAMA

Mike McVey indicated that he wanted to release "satellite" expansions usable with Arms of Sorrow and Battle for Alabaster.
He indicated that the satellite games required a lot of resources to publish and they "might well kickstart it" (it being Arms of Sorrow and the satellites) as an alternative.
That said, his final word was "not sure."

So it might get a Kickstarter to fund further expansions to BfA and AoS but nothing has been decided one way or another on that front yet.

Another Kickstarter possibility, hmmmm. Not sure how I feel about that.

I'll be in if he does run one as I'm well chuffed with what I've got both from the Biohazard Kickstarter and his wider SW miniatures (though give us more resins!). But I get the feeling that with the slew of CMON and other Kickstarters, wallets may be running increasingly thin.

If this goes the direct to retail path it may help with the long term future of the game. Going traditional will help get some stores on board supporting and selling the line.

Interesting that AoS is now looking like another full sized and priced game

and interesting too that he's considering add on bits for both down the line

Selling direct may prove more popular with retailers, but will those that have 'issues' with stocking SW really decide to buy into AoS as it's basically the same system/setting ?

We'll have to wait and see

(if CMON who look to be publishing it from the Gamma teasers decides to go the KS route after all I wouldn't be surprised)

Thanks, Dave, for the info-- looking forward to seeing what they do (and how the games are compatible, because it seems moderately difficult right now)

Suspect they may want to iron out all the kinks that popped up with SW:BoA and make sure they are fixed before they try another KS. Doing a standard commercial release allows them to line up and verify manufacturers in a less hectic manner. Suspect the rush to meet the deadlines for the KS forced them to not properly vet their manufacturers previously. I had thought working with CMoN would get around that issue, but apparently it didn't.

*edit* Just to add, also by having the second one through standard store releases, exposes the game to people who may have not committed to the KS and also directs funds of people who would back a KS through FLGS. Could say a bridge builder.

Studio mcvey have said they want to release it without KS. I hope they stick to this and release it via the normal means.

Maybe AoS will include an updated rule book?

I personally feel that a non kick starter release would be more beneficial long term and for retailers to pick it up. Why bother risk stocking a product that the majority of people who want it, already own it?

If they do another kickstarter I hope they focus on quality of components and no more homages. For the love of god no more homages.

official news and pictures

Hi guys

When we fist conceived Arms of Sorrow (quite some time ago...) it was going to be a small expansion for Battle for Alabaster - primarily designed to tie-up the storyline from the first game, and continued the fight between the Strain and Vanguard. That would then set up a larger release which would introduce two new factions. As we started to develop AoS, it soon became clear that what we were in fact working on, was another product the size of Battle for Alabaster - which would be a stand alone game in it's own right. This left me in a difficult position - I had already announced Arms of Sorrow (at the end of the BfA rule book), but I desperately wanted to bring in the new factions as well.

What I have decided to do, is (broadly speaking) both.

Arms of Sorrow will be a direct continuation of Battle for Alabaster, with the action taking place on the Vanguard Bastion ship. It will be a stand alone game of the same size as Battle for Alabaster. It will contain all new miniatures for Vanguard and Strain, counters and tokens, completely new tiles and a new rule and scenario book. The core rules will be the same as BfA, but it will introduce some new elements (which would be usable in either game). At the same time we will release two smaller expansions - one for Firebrand and one for Bounty Dogs. - Each will contain brand new miniatures, cards, rule and scenario book, counters and some new tiles. These will be usable with either BfA or AoS, though the narrative will link them in primarily with AoS.

It just makes more sense to me to release the new factions as expansions - so if you already have BfA, you don't need to buy the game again (which is essentially what you will be doing if AoS was Firebrand vs Bounty Dogs) to get the new material. Or if you just want the Firebrand, you don't have to buy the Bounty Dogs as well (and vice-versa).

We're already pretty deep into development on this stuff and 90% of the miniatures are done for AoS. I'm not going to talk about release dates at the moment though.

As a preview, we are going to have resins of two of the character miniatures for AoS at Salute this weekend - Phaedrus Chirurge and Commodore Grist. We'll have very limited numbers of both for sale.

Phaedrus is on a 40mm base in this picture, Grist on a 50mm

Anyway - I hope that answers some of your questions about what we're planning.

cheers

mike

 Piston Honda wrote:
I personally feel that a non kick starter release would be more beneficial long term and for retailers to pick it up. Why bother risk stocking a product that the majority of people who want it, already own it?

If they do another kickstarter I hope they focus on quality of components and no more homages. For the love of god no more homages.

While I don't really agree with the first part I am happy to leave it be, as for the second part about no more homages, that!

I only got the Firefly Crew and the Mass Effect Guy (mainly coz the concept looked awesome) but I loved the idea of the homage characters as it meant a lot of people were getting excited and dropping down some coin.
This in turn increased my overall benefits as the Sweetspot pledge went through the roof in minis and extras.

Just coz I didn't go for the Aliens characters or the Cylon lady or whatever doesn't mean they were wasted stretch goals just because they didn't appeal to me, as I still benefited over and above the base game and those extra pledgers bumped up the total and possibly got their friends in on that.


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Also, freaking sweet pics of the new guys!

The Commodore looks like he has a FO3 Powerglove. Love it!

and as this also seems to be for general Studio McVey news

Ur-Fidyr limited edition resin by Thomas David - released for Salute





Studio McVey will be at booth TK-17 at Salute they will be running demos of BfA and previewing AoS.

AoS and two other (small) expansions at the same time ?

much as I love sedition wars I'm not sure that is the right move in terms of the amount of spending I'll need to so

guess I'll have to wait and see how much the firebrand/bounty dogs expansions are

Gotta say, hearing that 90% of AOS is done whilst exciting is pretty vexing at the same time. As i along with a lot of people are still waiting for a lot of stuff.

Its gone very quiet on Wave 2 of the SW KS, we havent even seen finished products for a lot of the models.

How about focussing on the stuff people have already paid for Studio McVey?

Ooo, pretty sweet. Looks like there's a lot more SW goodness coming.

 DiabolicAl wrote:
Gotta say, hearing that 90% of AOS is done whilst exciting is pretty vexing at the same time. As i along with a lot of people are still waiting for a lot of stuff.

Its gone very quiet on Wave 2 of the SW KS, we havent even seen finished products for a lot of the models.

How about focussing on the stuff people have already paid for Studio McVey?

All these things take a long time to make, so work on AoS had begun before the Sedition Wars KS began

Remember a lot of this stuff is commissioning sculptors (you can't make them work any faster) so time for work on AoS

Then sending the stuff off to China, again lots of time to work on AoS

(and in terms of rules changes/updates etc the work on AoS will also count as work on SW rules revisions)

That's all very reasonable.

I guess the part that is still pertinent is getting some updates out of them, bearing in mind that Wave 2 is estimated to ship in March 2013...

Did they ever rectify the curling boards issue the 1st KS had. I remember the suggested solutions weren't working and the boards kept curling up like Taco shells.

Most peoples board were fine ,

Some were not and CMON sent out replacements to those who asked for them

(I've not seen any recent postings about people still waiting so I presume that's complete)

All 3 sets of my boards were excellent. One of my markers was slightly off but that didn't really bother me.

Personally I have no issue with them working on projects at the same time as the kickstarter stuff as long as the actual models come to us before they release the new product.

As for the models shown they look good. I still want an armored head gnosis suit but still looks good.

Liking the new figures.

Hope to see more interesting/ bizarre Strain stuff. The less human looking the better in my opinion.

I could go either way on the kickstarting issue. I would imagine everyone involved at McVey's and CMON has learned a lot about the whole process and would put together quite the tempting package for potential backers. At the very least by going the KS route you get a lot of instant feedback from backers and I could see them being a lot more forthcoming this time around with rules and information. It's going to be tougher crowd to win over the second time around.

Hopefully all the shipping issues will have been dealt with prior to a potential KS going live.

On the other hand if they want to send this straight out to market, I'll be putting my money down.

Same here - and I hope they still plan on expanding this game into a full fledged tabletop skirmish/wargame at some point...

Liking the two new "commander" figures. During the KS, the fluff describing the not-Battlestar Galactica girl as a scientist that was "immune" to the Strain. Wonder if they are taking that and making it part of the official story. Phaedrus Chirurge is retaining a lot more human features than any other advanced Strain model.

Though will be chopping off her "HELLO" hand and replacing it with something a bit more vicious.

Wonder if the two new models will be at adepticon......

The KS Hexen version is non canon it was just a way of getting a not "six" into the KS. The character herself is just Phaedrus and I believe there are 2 versions of her in AoS if you look at the GAMA picture you will see a smaller female beside the larger Phaedrus Chirurge both have the long bendy right arm going on.

Not sure cincydooley Mike will have them at Salute and only a limited number of resins were made. I'd say if CMoN have anything it will just be an unpainted display model like GAMA.

Limited edition low numbers and resin = very expensive

 cincydooley wrote:
Wonder if the two new models will be at adepticon......

Given Salute and Adepticon are on the same weekend, I doubt it :(


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 NAVARRO wrote:
Limited edition low numbers and resin = GW standard prices = very expensive

Fixed that for you

Doubt they will be more than their standard prices and the two were "limited numbers", not limited edition. It is likely this is just the first of the production run and given the general availability of the SW figures on their site, later availability shouldn't be a problem.


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 DaveC wrote:
The KS Hexen version is non canon it was just a way of getting a not "six" into the KS. The character herself is just Phaedrus and I believe there are 2 versions of her in AoS if you look at the GAMA picture you will see a smaller female beside the larger Phaedrus Chirurge both have the long bendy right arm going on.

Oh don't expect the figure to become canon, but the story of a scientist that gains control/immunity may work its way in. Obvious copyright issues if they did release Hexen. That is what I was try to say.

 DaveC wrote:
The KS Hexen version is non canon it was just a way of getting a not "six" into the KS. The character herself is just Phaedrus and I believe there are 2 versions of her in AoS if you look at the GAMA picture you will see a smaller female beside the larger Phaedrus Chirurge both have the long bendy right arm going on.

Good call! I hadn't made that connection

Will those models be available outside of Salute? The commodore in particular looks great.

A joey and her Roo

http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/2013/4/15/1f198e2a3dfc9317121f47da84c74fa8_61979.jpg__thumb

 Marrak wrote:
Will those models be available outside of Salute? The commodore in particular looks great.

They'll be part of the AoS game when it's released

Why bother risk stocking a product that the majority of people who want it, already own it?

There are more than 5,000 customers in the world... apparently Dreadball sold 3 times as much through retailers after having the success and hype from Kickstarter./

Also a whole load of new stores who never bothered with Mantic before have stocked Dreadball because of the buzz the KS produced

So (with luck) Mantic may now be able to sell them other stuff too

Sorry about some minor necromancy, but has anyone heard anything about the Sedition wars KS stuff that is supposed to be on the way?

I have heard that the wave 2 models are to be shipped by the end of July (grr...) but what about any movement on the downloadable campaign and the 2nd edition of the rulebook? Seeing as a full year since the KS is coming up, I wouldn't mind hearing even an update..........

Yeah I just posted an update in the other thread

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/3810/451585.page

Gah! I just though I checked there and it was still silent! Thanks, Dave.

Picture from the CMoN Expo by Dayminkaynin on the Studio McVey forum

Ooooh very intriguing, looks like Mr. McVey hasn't been slouching with his sculpting!

Any better pics showed up?

I'm really liking the expansion's big pieces- the only heavy I really liked in the first game was the Grendlr (though I really liked that one) and these are all looking pretty cool.

Hah. EVERYTHING has tentacley gribbly bits...

...and I LOVE it.

So here's a cool little tidbit:

If you notice the smaller green model on the left and the larger model behind it: they're actually one and the same, only the larger version is wearing a form of bio armor.

Yep, there's something about the larger one being some sort of evolved form, and they're both hexen (who seems to have herself evolved past a BSG reference)

I don't remember the snake bottomed thingees in the last batch of pictures.

I doubt I'm the only one that's curious as to how this expansion/ stand alone game is going to play out. Will they kickstart it? Will CMON send it straight to retail?

This will be quite interesting to see how it plays out.

Yeah, the snakish things are new

I've heard they aren't planning to do it as a kickstarter.

It will not be a KS project. Nor will the two subsequent army expansions for the Firebrand and the next faction.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yeah, the snakish things are new
I've heard they aren't planning to do it as a kickstarter.

 cincydooley wrote:
It will not be a KS project. Nor will the two subsequent army expansions for the Firebrand and the next faction.

That's what they said initially. More recently, they've apparently gone over to something more along the lines of "we'll be examining all our options". (Which means it probably will - free money upfront FTW)

Thanks for posting the picture. Really like the big gribblies.

 Azazelx wrote:


That's what they said initially. More recently, they've apparently gone over to something more along the lines of "we'll be examining all our options". (Which means it probably will - free money upfront FTW)

I agree they are thinking the KS route may be the way to go. I do think the results of the first one (specifically folks not happy for a variety of reasons) may make efforts at a second (and third) more challenging.

That's what they said initially. More recently, they've apparently gone over to something more along the lines of "we'll be examining all our options". (Which means it probably will - free money upfront FTW)

You better substantiate such claims. Some might take your wishful thinkin for hard facts...

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

That's what they said initially. More recently, they've apparently gone over to something more along the lines of "we'll be examining all our options". (Which means it probably will - free money upfront FTW)

You better substantiate such claims. Some might take your wishful thinkin for hard facts...

On the Studio McVey forums this was mentioned:

Mike McVey indicated that he wanted to release "satellite" expansions usable with Arms of Sorrow and Battle for Alabaster. He indicated that the satellite games required a lot of resources to publish and they "might well kickstart it" (it being Arms of Sorrow and the satellites) as an alternative. That said, his final word was "not sure."

And then there is this:

Sedition Wars gets its first expansion “Sedition Wars: Arms of Sorrow” that functions as both a stand-alone game and expansion to “Battle for Alabaster.” The game releases later this year with a $90.00 MSRP.

“Arms of Sorrow” is a potential kickstarter project, but that decision has not been made yet. It could release alone, but a kickstarter might allow for additional expansions as stretch goals.

from http://www.livingdice.com/7995/gama-trade-show-2013-report-7/

Looks substantiated - thanks!

Basing my info on speaking to Mr. McVey & some CMoN folks this past weekend.

Further substantiation - thanks!

Now that´s some confirmation.

Indeed it is, it makes me wonder why you accused him and did not simply look for yourself before writing something that harsh.

It's all good. There are a lot of cool things in the works for this Property and McVey really wants to make sure the future path for the universe 'rights its course,' as it were, after some of the first KS hiccups.

 cincydooley wrote:
It's all good. There are a lot of cool things in the works for this Property and McVey really wants to make sure the future path for the universe 'rights its course,' as it were, after some of the first KS hiccups.

A good place to start would be to finish the first KS fulfillment without more hiccups...

 CptJake wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
It's all good. There are a lot of cool things in the works for this Property and McVey really wants to make sure the future path for the universe 'rights its course,' as it were, after some of the first KS hiccups.

A good place to start would be to finish the first KS fulfillment without more hiccups...

Well said!

Yeah, I'd like the rest of my stuff please....I do think some of the new models are cool looking but I'd like my other models this year....

It was intimated that it was the top priority right now, which is actually one of the reasons there still has yet to be another KS started by CMoN (Kaos Ball is prototyped and ready for KS and is in a holding pattern).

I know there's a lot of people feeling somewhat burned by Sedition Wars so far, but it was pretty clear from being around Mr. McVey for the entire weekend that he really, really, really wants to get it rectified. With that in mind, I was able to glean that any new tiles that are released for subsequent games will be done by the company that did Zombicide (there have been few, if any, warpage issues reported) and that Studio McVey may even have open betas for KS backers for any future Sedition Wars products.

@Identify, PM me for more.


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@Hulk - Remember that those are all resin masters. All of the plastics we should be getting are in the production and shipping phase right now. It makes more sense to keep the sculptors working than to sit on their hands doing nothing waiting for product that is, obstenisibly, out of their control (the sculptors, that is) at this point in time.

Oh I understand masters vs. everything else. I'd like to see some of the images of the items we're getting that we haven't seen yet and I would like an update on the approximate time line. It's not that they shouldn't be working on newer product, healthy companies do that. It's just that this project has slipped crazy bad and the communication is less than helpful.

I also backed Dreamforge but for some reason, even though they slipped heavily as well, I don't have the same annoyed feeling I'm starting to get with this.

 Hulksmash wrote:

I also backed Dreamforge but for some reason, even though they slipped heavily as well, I don't have the same annoyed feeling I'm starting to get with this.

Probably because Dreamforge was just a guy in a garage? Studio McVey is an established company with a good reputation and joined forces with CMoN who had just successfully released their own board game. The smaller the company, the more likely you are to forgive them for delays and problems? Though this project was bigger than anything Studio McVey has handled before.

I don't feel that burned. I realized I was buying into a new product sight unseen. Its clear the rush to get the initial game out the door hurt quality, but when costs and schedule are fixed, quality suffers.

Hot off the Studio McVey forum from Mike McVey

Quick update.

The PDFs of the book and cards were completed early last week and sent off to be hosted for download, and sent out to the backers. I have been in the US for a work trip since then so haven't been online much.

I'm chasing up when this is going to happen at the moment, and as soon as they are available I will post here.

Sorry for the delay.

mike

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(and good grief I seem to have scooped DaveC here, I hope he's OK, LOL)

Mmm I posted it in the KS thread it's all good though it's up to CMoN now.

More news

Just to clarify here, as there seems to be some misunderstanding on the upcoming expansions... I really can't remember saying AoS would not be Kickstarted last weekend... I was pretty jet lagged though.

AoS and the two expansions will launch at the same time, and it is still not decided for sure if they will be Kickstarters or not. When I originally said that we would not KS the expansion, the plan was different (and involved substantially less work) - but considering the amount of work and resources that the three products are taking up - that is being re-considered. Ultimately the decision is not mine, but the publishers (Cool Mini or Not), and I'll make an official announcement once that decision is taken.

We'll be showing more of the miniatures and art from the expansions in the coming weeks and months, and I have to say that I am very, very happy with how it is all going. I think there has been a substantial step up in quality on all parts of the product.

mike

Yes I say, I dashed to the KS thread but saw you'd gone there first

honours even this time I think

also interested to see you post that the Zombicide manufacturer is now going to be handling SW production, do you know if this mean a change to the Zombicide plastic, or will they be sticking to the 'restic' we go for the first lot ? (or it it just for the tile production not the minis?)

Same restic miniatures but all the printed material will be done like the the Zombicide stuff so better print and card quality this will include the second print run of BfA

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

That's what they said initially. More recently, they've apparently gone over to something more along the lines of "we'll be examining all our options". (Which means it probably will - free money upfront FTW)

You better substantiate such claims. Some might take your wishful thinkin for hard facts...

You'd "better" be willing and able to back up such implied threats with some sort of action, else it might be a better choice to choose your words more carefully in the future. Anyway, since it's been well documented since, and I've seen your concession, I await your apology.


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 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Indeed it is, it makes me wonder why you accused him and did not simply look for yourself before writing something that harsh.

It's Duncan's manner to carry water for game companies, even when he's wrong or not in possession of all the facts. He's often quite abrasive, aggressive and combative about it. He makes it on and off my ignore list - coming off from time to time since he occasionally has some good information or something worthwhile to share.

So there MIGHT be a kickstarter after all, eh?

Cool. Really liked the looks of the new baddies.

Hopefully that means extra big bads to swear at for not wanting to go together correctly and worry that I won't ever be able to give them the paint jobs they deserve!

Sedition Wars was the only Kickstarter I regretted not being able to back. It just looked so cool at the time, and watching the numbers fly up. I really wanted some extra Cthons and the not- Isaac figure.

If they've got the kinks in the manufacturing ironed out, and hopefully will let backers take a crack at helping iron out the rules, I'm all over it.

Because I obviously don't have enough sci- fi skirmish games.

My Phaedrus Chirurge and Commodore Grist came in the mail today. Phaedrus Chirurge is very detailed. A pretty awesome miniature.

I stopped by the CMoN Expo on Saturday, and the SW stuff for the expansion was Beautiful. Didn't get to talk to Mike, but the stuff in the cabinet was really awesome. Hope it translates well into restic, as I really don't enjoy restic at all....

Other than that, great Expo, liked all the stuff they had and were demoing. Rivet Wars was awesome, can't wait to get that. Puppet Wars was equally impressive, you should buy that game if you like any of the figures. The plastics are absurdly good.

 DaveC wrote:
Same restic miniatures but all the printed material will be done like the the Zombicide stuff so better print and card quality this will include the second print run of BfA

Any chance they may sell a pack with the decent quality cards,boards and mk2 rule book for the alpha testers/kickstarters/early adopters/mugs choose your title based on opinion.

 cincydooley wrote:
It was intimated that it was the top priority right now, which is actually one of the reasons there still has yet to be another KS started by CMoN (Kaos Ball is prototyped and ready for KS and is in a holding pattern).

I know there's a lot of people feeling somewhat burned by Sedition Wars so far, but it was pretty clear from being around Mr. McVey for the entire weekend that he really, really, really wants to get it rectified. With that in mind, I was able to glean that any new tiles that are released for subsequent games will be done by the company that did Zombicide (there have been few, if any, warpage issues reported) and that Studio McVey may even have open betas for KS backers for any future Sedition Wars products.

In all honestly, and quite calmly. I pledged for triple Biohazard plus a shirtload of extras. For the amount of money I've invested in McVey/SW in good faith, I'd like to get at least 1 set of the revised rules and cards provided that I don't have to print myself before considering giving McVey any more money for anything. Simply saying that I've invested in a pre-release product and them's the breaks just reinforces the message of "don't do it again". CMON/McVey isn't the only company in this position...





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SeanDrake wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Same restic miniatures but all the printed material will be done like the the Zombicide stuff so better print and card quality this will include the second print run of BfA

Any chance they may sell a pack with the decent quality cards,boards and mk2 rule book for the alpha testers/kickstarters/early adopters/mugs choose your title based on opinion.

People's boards are being replaced if they are warped, AFAIK.

 Azazelx wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
It was intimated that it was the top priority right now, which is actually one of the reasons there still has yet to be another KS started by CMoN (Kaos Ball is prototyped and ready for KS and is in a holding pattern).

I know there's a lot of people feeling somewhat burned by Sedition Wars so far, but it was pretty clear from being around Mr. McVey for the entire weekend that he really, really, really wants to get it rectified. With that in mind, I was able to glean that any new tiles that are released for subsequent games will be done by the company that did Zombicide (there have been few, if any, warpage issues reported) and that Studio McVey may even have open betas for KS backers for any future Sedition Wars products.

In all honestly, and quite calmly. I pledged for triple Biohazard plus a shirtload of extras. For the amount of money I've invested in McVey/SW in good faith, I'd like to get at least 1 set of the revised rules and cards provided that I don't have to print myself before considering giving McVey any more money for anything. Simply saying that I've invested in a pre-release product and them's the breaks just reinforces the message of "don't do it again". CMON/McVey isn't the only company in this position...





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SeanDrake wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Same restic miniatures but all the printed material will be done like the the Zombicide stuff so better print and card quality this will include the second print run of BfA

Any chance they may sell a pack with the decent quality cards,boards and mk2 rule book for the alpha testers/kickstarters/early adopters/mugs choose your title based on opinion.

People's boards are being replaced if they are warped, AFAIK.

Hey Mate, I invested as much as you and I agree, I want a copy of rules printed out and sent to me, if they don't, I'm done with Sedition Wars I think.

 Mahrdol wrote:
My Phaedrus Chirurge and Commodore Grist came in the mail today. Phaedrus Chirurge is very detailed. A pretty awesome miniature.

Woah... when were these for sale?

Well as mike has now confirmed that coolmini is directing the project and not studio mcvey then I definately won't be touching the kickstarter with a fifty foot pole.

Would be nice to at worst be able to get updated cards, rules and tiles from the updated edition at cost price.

 Marrak wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
My Phaedrus Chirurge and Commodore Grist came in the mail today. Phaedrus Chirurge is very detailed. A pretty awesome miniature.

Woah... when were these for sale?

Mike brought a very few resin casts to one of the recent conventions (if you really want one contact him direct as he's said if the demand is there he could be persuaded to do more for fans)

now on the subject of whether AoS will KS or not (and who makes the call on that) mike had this to say yesterday

"Just to clarify here, as there seems to be some misunderstanding on the upcoming expansions... I really can't remember saying AoS would not be Kickstarted last weekend... I was pretty jet lagged though.

AoS and the two expansions will launch at the same time, and it is still not decided for sure if they will be Kickstarters or not. When I originally said that we would not KS the expansion, the plan was different (and involved substantially less work) - but considering the amount of work and resources that the three products are taking up - that is being re-considered. Ultimately the decision is not mine, but the publishers (Cool Mini or Not), and I'll make an official announcement once that decision is taken.

We'll be showing more of the miniatures and art from the expansions in the coming weeks and months, and I have to say that I am very, very happy with how it is all going. I think there has been a substantial step up in quality on all parts of the product.

mike"

my bank balance crys out in fear, AoS + Bounty Dogs + Firebrand all at once, expensive

After what happened with Zombicide 2 KS I think it is pretty safe to say they probably will KS SW.

Honestly I think the game needs another KS. It has pretty much fallen off the radar right now because of the rules and another KS will get it back on. Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS. I doubt they would ship printed manuals to the first KS backers. They cost for shipping and packaging would probably be too high.

 Mahrdol wrote:
After what happened with Zombicide 2 KS I think it is pretty safe to say they probably will KS SW.

Honestly I think the game needs another KS. It has pretty much fallen off the radar right now because of the rules and another KS will get it back on. Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS. I doubt they would ship printed manuals to the first KS backers. They cost for shipping and packaging would probably be too high.

Right, because they don't already owe us a ton of items they need to ship........... oh wait.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

AoS and the two expansions will launch at the same time, and it is still not decided for sure if they will be Kickstarters or not. When I originally said that we would not KS the expansion, the plan was different (and involved substantially less work) - but considering the amount of work and resources that the three products are taking up - that is being re-considered. Ultimately the decision is not mine, but the publishers (Cool Mini or Not), and I'll make an official announcement once that decision is taken.

mike"

Am I the only one sad to read that McVey doesn't have the final say in this? Sounds like CMoN is in control now of the game :(

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
After what happened with Zombicide 2 KS I think it is pretty safe to say they probably will KS SW.

Honestly I think the game needs another KS. It has pretty much fallen off the radar right now because of the rules and another KS will get it back on. Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS. I doubt they would ship printed manuals to the first KS backers. They cost for shipping and packaging would probably be too high.

Right, because they don't already owe us a ton of items they need to ship........... oh wait.

I doubt they could get them printed in time for our second batch.

 Mahrdol wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
After what happened with Zombicide 2 KS I think it is pretty safe to say they probably will KS SW.

Honestly I think the game needs another KS. It has pretty much fallen off the radar right now because of the rules and another KS will get it back on. Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS. I doubt they would ship printed manuals to the first KS backers. They cost for shipping and packaging would probably be too high.

Right, because they don't already owe us a ton of items they need to ship........... oh wait.

I doubt they could get them printed in time for our second batch.

If they had begun a month ago when they first released the updates rules cards, they could. Given the delays with this, I imagine they have plenty of time to print them out.

Keep defending them!!!!

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
After what happened with Zombicide 2 KS I think it is pretty safe to say they probably will KS SW.

Honestly I think the game needs another KS. It has pretty much fallen off the radar right now because of the rules and another KS will get it back on. Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS. I doubt they would ship printed manuals to the first KS backers. They cost for shipping and packaging would probably be too high.

Right, because they don't already owe us a ton of items they need to ship........... oh wait.

I doubt they could get them printed in time for our second batch.

If they had begun a month ago when they first released the updates rules cards, they could. Given the delays with this, I imagine they have plenty of time to print them out.

Keep defending them!!!!

Read again. In no way did I defend them. They have screwed up a lot but lets be realistic on what we can expect. Do I think they should toss a new manual in our 2nd shipment. Sure. Will it happen who knows?

 Mahrdol wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
After what happened with Zombicide 2 KS I think it is pretty safe to say they probably will KS SW.

Honestly I think the game needs another KS. It has pretty much fallen off the radar right now because of the rules and another KS will get it back on. Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS. I doubt they would ship printed manuals to the first KS backers. They cost for shipping and packaging would probably be too high.

Right, because they don't already owe us a ton of items they need to ship........... oh wait.

I doubt they could get them printed in time for our second batch.

If they had begun a month ago when they first released the updates rules cards, they could. Given the delays with this, I imagine they have plenty of time to print them out.

Keep defending them!!!!

Read again. In no way did I defend them. They have screwed up a lot but lets be realistic on what we can expect. Do I think they should toss a new manual in our 2nd shipment. Sure. Will it happen who knows?

Brother, making excuses for them is defending them. Don't make excuses for them if you're not defending them.

I apologize for that confusion.

 Mahrdol wrote:
Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS.

Getting all the outstanding stuff from the first kickstarter finished first probably wouldn't hurt, either.


As much as I would love to continue to support Studio McVey, and as cool as the new stuff is looking, there is no way I would consider dropping more money until I receive the rest of what I paid for the first time around.

 insaniak wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS.

Getting all the outstanding stuff from the first kickstarter finished first probably wouldn't hurt, either.


As much as I would love to continue to support Studio McVey, and as cool as the new stuff is looking, there is no way I would consider dropping more money until I receive the rest of what I paid for the first time around.

I expect they know that, and I'd be really surprised if they started another KS before this one had been fulfilled...

It has been a while - is there an updated timeline for when all of the remaining Kickstarter stuff will be delivered?

Last I remember hearing, June?

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS.

Getting all the outstanding stuff from the first kickstarter finished first probably wouldn't hurt, either.


As much as I would love to continue to support Studio McVey, and as cool as the new stuff is looking, there is no way I would consider dropping more money until I receive the rest of what I paid for the first time around.

I expect they know that, and I'd be really surprised if they started another KS before this one had been fulfilled...

Yet CMON, who will make the decision, launched the Zombicide Season 2 KS before all the stuff from the 1st KS was delivered. Past actions are generally a decent indicator of future actions they say.

Kaosball is CMoN next KS it launches in June so AoS can't go up until August at earliest I'd say - all wave 2 shipping should hopefully be done by then.

 CptJake wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS.

Getting all the outstanding stuff from the first kickstarter finished first probably wouldn't hurt, either.


As much as I would love to continue to support Studio McVey, and as cool as the new stuff is looking, there is no way I would consider dropping more money until I receive the rest of what I paid for the first time around.

I expect they know that, and I'd be really surprised if they started another KS before this one had been fulfilled...

Yet CMON, who will make the decision, launched the Zombicide Season 2 KS before all the stuff from the 1st KS was delivered. Past actions are generally a decent indicator of future actions they say.

Oh, hadn't heard that. Yeah, agreed with that, then.

I'm surprised they're looking into an expansion allready, the game's not been out that long.

Even if they did a KS now (and as DaveC says CMONs pipeline is full till at least August),

a month for the KS makes it September

then they'll need 9 months for fulfilment (at least, maybe longer as all these projects have been late and led to refund requests)

so that will be a year or more after the game hit the shops which seems par for the course for games that want to retain customer interst

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster/posts/487899?ref=activity new rules/cards up. You will have to buy new cards and rulebooks if you want printed.

Im invested so ill pay for the rules/cards if they are not extortionate. I hope Lessons have been learned though. I've no interest in paying to regularly update the rules for my game after such a small span of time.

This has soured me on SW a little and ill have to think about whether to support AOS. Hopefully we can get the new cards/book with the second wave.

So tooling has only just been completed, looks like no one wil be receiving anything til August at the earliest then.

I am not amused by this.

They failed to produce a product that was up to basic standards, some of us have multiple packs of it and their ideal solution is for the backer to get the financial blunt of it by printing the damn thing and if they want, to pay for the proper product we should have got in the first place.

The fact the phrase "as close to cost as possible" is used obviously shows they intend to turn a profit on this aswell.

lol.

Don't say I didn't tell you so guys. When I was saying all this before, I got shot down. Now everyone is on the same boat here. I feel real good knowing I paid for an incomplete/lackluster product and now they want to sell me a fixed rulebook to play the game.

Bravo Studio McVey. Bravo. Sell me a broken game and then ask me to buy a fixed copy of the rules.

I could swallow buying the rulebook & cards at COST as a way of them fixing their errors, but any profit made off of this is unacceptable; they already made the profit from me.


Hey Mike, if you read these forums anymore pal, I just want to say that you have let me down enormously after almost two decades of looking up to you and respecting you.

Thanks

I wouldn't be too upset by not getting a printed copy of this version sent for free. Seems this version is getting hammered on the Studio McVey forums so a printed version may have just frustrated you more.




EDIT: Link to forum I mentioned = http://studiomcvey.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1173-new-rules-discussion/page__pid__17797__st__20#entry17797

I think McVey need two things fast a community manager somebody responsible for properly communicating with their customers and a quality control manager somebody to make sure all stuff are released properly.....

They should seriously had first release this wait for feedback fix it rerelease, refix it nail it down and then go to printing.

And then discuss on how to introduce the printed version to the myriad of backers.

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I rally hate "manager" titles

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I think McVey need two things fast a community manager somebody responsible for properly communicating with their customers and a quality control manager somebody to make sure all stuff are released properly.....

They should seriously had first release this wait for feedback fix it rerelease, refix it nail it down and then go to printing.

And then discuss on how to introduce the printed version to the myriad of backers.

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I rally hate "manager" titles

Bro, don't you realize, doing things like proofing and play testing rules are very much like common sense?

It is far more appropriate to rush out another set of broken rules and try to grab everyone's money a 2nd time around or rather WASTE OUR TIME, the second time around.

I'm so disappointing every new announcement from this project that reaches me. Studio McVey did an awesome job creating boutique Sci-Fi figures, then they tried to make a game and they put their own good name in the mud, repeatedly.

I got out of this one when I started having issue with the long delays and spastic updates, then CMON's gak that put the bullgak icing on the cake of shame.

Between CMON and them, they both have serious trust issues that they need to fix before i take in another dance with either of them.

Shame too, because personally, I have nothing but high opinion of Mike and Ally's works.

Project Update #94: Rules update redux - updated cards
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot
Based on all your feedback today, we've taken the decision together with CMoN to send all our backers the updated cards together with the wave 2 shipments; this will save you printing out an essential component for gameplay.  Hope that helps and please give us feedback on the revisions - best place to do it would be over at the studiomcvey.com Sedition Wars forums.

- mike

That's all good and it will save them some face at least, but, I repeat this again, shouldn't feedback be send before they go and print the cards?

 Grot 6 wrote:
I got out of this one when I started having issue with the long delays and spastic updates, then CMON's gak that put the bullgak icing on the cake of shame.

Between CMON and them, they both have serious trust issues that they need to fix before i take in another dance with either of them.

Shame too, because personally, I have nothing but high opinion of Mike and Ally's works.

Just out of curiousity, where are the 'trust issues' with CMoN?

Thus far two of their KS projects (Zombicide, Guilds of Cadwallon) shipped on time with few problems.

Seditions Wars and its problems are pretty well documented here.

Relic Knights has been significantly delayed, but per the Soda Pop team, the delays have been on Soda Pop and not CMoN and the number of new sculpts they had to do.

Remember, CMoN is simply the publisher, not the developer, for Sedition Wars.

Still need to think about the game and get some updated rules plays before I jump to any conclusions, but I put together a list of all of the changes I caught, for reference. If something's missing or misinterpreted, let me know...

I'm hoping that I'll get in at least a couple of the revised scenarios in this weekend. I'm worried that SMV may have overcompensated in favor of the Strain...


Re: distribution, not my ideal scenario, but I'm definitely okay with it. Regardless of it being their mistake or not, if it would have not been financially viable, it isn't really an option for them to print them all...

Ooops ninjaed and didnt realised it

 DaveC wrote:

Project Update #94: Rules update redux - updated cards
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot
Based on all your feedback today, we've taken the decision together with CMoN to send all our backers the updated cards together with the wave 2 shipments; this will save you printing out an essential component for gameplay.  Hope that helps and please give us feedback on the revisions - best place to do it would be over at the studiomcvey.com Sedition Wars forums.

- mike

Woah! Didn't see that!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
(and good grief I seem to have scooped DaveC here, I hope he's OK, LOL)

This was hilarious

 DaveC wrote:

Project Update #94: Rules update redux - updated cards
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot
Based on all your feedback today, we've taken the decision together with CMoN to send all our backers the updated cards together with the wave 2 shipments; this will save you printing out an essential component for gameplay.  Hope that helps and please give us feedback on the revisions - best place to do it would be over at the studiomcvey.com Sedition Wars forums.

- mike

It's good that they finally listened to feedback on that. What has made this seem very off-putting from the outside looking in is a few things:

1) How poorly Studio McVey seems to communicate
2) How the buck keeps getting passed / ball dropped between Studio McVey and CMON

"We're not doing a KS"
"We might do a KS but it's not our call"

"Components are not up to standards, sorry, print out your own, not our call"
The fact that they've changed their mind on the above is great, but I think this goes a LONG way towards explaining why Studio McVey is not getting the benefit of the doubt that Dreamforge is. They're not taking responsibility for the campaign, and the ball is being dropped between them and CMON.

If you're the artist, you (imo) DO have control of things. If Mike McVey really didn't want another kickstarter, he could say so. Would CMON really launch with his saying he wasn't onboard?

I know artists sometimes sign over too many rights to distributors, but it's his product. He needs to take responsibility for it, it's development, and most importantly, communicating his vision for it (both to CMON and to fans/backers).

Not wanting to come off too harsh here, but I just see so many excuses here and it makes no sense to me to approach things that way.

 RiTides wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
(and good grief I seem to have scooped DaveC here, I hope he's OK, LOL)

This was hilarious

 DaveC wrote:

Project Update #94: Rules update redux - updated cards
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot
Based on all your feedback today, we've taken the decision together with CMoN to send all our backers the updated cards together with the wave 2 shipments; this will save you printing out an essential component for gameplay.  Hope that helps and please give us feedback on the revisions - best place to do it would be over at the studiomcvey.com Sedition Wars forums.

- mike

It's good that they finally listened to feedback on that. What has made this seem very off-putting from the outside looking in is a few things:

1) How poorly Studio McVey seems to communicate
2) How the buck keeps getting passed / ball dropped between Studio McVey and CMON

"We're not doing a KS"
"We might do a KS but it's not our call"

"Components are not up to standards, sorry, print out your own, not our call"
The fact that they've changed their mind on the above is great, but I think this goes a LONG way towards explaining why Studio McVey is not getting the benefit of the doubt that Dreamforge is. They're not taking responsibility for the campaign, and the ball is being dropped between them and CMON.

If you're the artist, you (imo) DO have control of things. If Mike McVey really didn't want another kickstarter, he could say so. Would CMON really launch with his saying he wasn't onboard?

I know artists sometimes sign over too many rights to distributors, but it's his product. He needs to take responsibility for it, it's development, and most importantly, communicating his vision for it (both to CMON and to fans/backers).

Not wanting to come off too harsh here, but I just see so many excuses here and it makes no sense to me to approach things that way.

Extremely well put my friend.

I think many people are defending Studio McVey because they felt like they could be relied upon, but let's face it; I've never had the issues with CMON at their store, customer service or other Kickstarters that I have had with this. CMON definitely didn't mess this up, SM did and it's clear they weren't ready for this.The fact that they are continuing to make mistakes (like sending the cards off to the printers and asking us for our feedback, when they should get feedback THEN print the cards).

Also, it wasn't clear, are they just sending us the new cards or a new rulebook also?

only the cards, not the rulebook.
Not that it matters much; seems as if only the issues that weren't really that much of a big deal to begin with were fixed, anyway.

 RiTides wrote:
If you're the artist, you (imo) DO have control of things. If Mike McVey really didn't want another kickstarter, he could say so. Would CMON really launch with his saying he wasn't onboard?

I know artists sometimes sign over too many rights to distributors, but it's his product. He needs to take responsibility for it, it's development, and most importantly, communicating his vision for it (both to CMON and to fans/backers).

If you're self-publishing, this is true. If someone else is publishing it, not true at all.

Some of the horror stories I've gotten first hand from authors etc. at lectures or in interviews (well known, not nobodies):
-they couldn't choose their cover art- someone drew some character that vaguely fit the description, had a 6 month fight to get little things, such as the character's race, fixed... publisher sided with the artist
-publishing house went under, author can't legally print the book, because the contract was collateral against bankruptcy
-Brazil is a great example: it took Gilliam something like a year to fight to actually get the movie he wanted and had made distributed, instead of one the studio wanted dumbed down

spiralingcadaver, while I'm sure those examples are true, I think that for miniature game publishing the artist should / does have more control. The bottom line is that someone has to take responsibility for the quality of the product, and I'm not seeing that done here to the extent that it should be (imo, of course).

I'd agree re: it would be good for someone to take responsibility.

Re: miniature gaming, etc.- every example I've seen says that you've basically sold the majority of your creative rights when you deal with publishers. In this case, I fully expect SMV to be in control of the rules, but CMoN would have control over material quality and probably timeline.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
I got out of this one when I started having issue with the long delays and spastic updates, then CMON's gak that put the bullgak icing on the cake of shame.

Between CMON and them, they both have serious trust issues that they need to fix before i take in another dance with either of them.

Shame too, because personally, I have nothing but high opinion of Mike and Ally's works.

Just out of curiousity, where are the 'trust issues' with CMoN?

Thus far two of their KS projects (Zombicide, Guilds of Cadwallon) shipped on time with few problems.

Seditions Wars and its problems are pretty well documented here.

Relic Knights has been significantly delayed, but per the Soda Pop team, the delays have been on Soda Pop and not CMoN and the number of new sculpts they had to do.

Remember, CMoN is simply the publisher, not the developer, for Sedition Wars.

CMON sucks at communication. Their customer service is by far the worse I have ever seen when it comes to the table top gaming world.

Only time they have ever answered a quick email of mine was a question regarding active kickstarters.

any other time I don't get an answer or it takes 6 to 8 weeks.

CMON seems to be only interested in maximizing kickstarters, after that they throw you like a 20 dollar whore.

As for Mike McVey and Studio McVey, not sure what the deal is. Is it because he is basically a one man band, just bad communication or is CMON prohibiting him saying much via a contract agreement?

By the sounds of the internet, is seems as if Mike had to sell his soul to Cool Mini or Nor to help publish his game.

Unfortunately CMON went the low quality high quantity route. In terms of board games, it is an OK product overall (except the boards).

It's hard to judge the situation since I don't have all the details and can only read rumors. But it seems as if CMON and the manufacturer in China screwed over Mike.

Anyone close with mike and like to gossip?

Sending the cards with wave two is a start.

I can't really condemn them. I can understand why folks are upset. I've held off playing the game until the corrections are made, so it hasn't really affect my enjoyment of the models as of yet.

I'd like to think this was first big project hiccups and a learning experience. I'm not likely to kickstart any other SMV projects at this point in time (a kickstarter in general would be a mistake).

Some responsibility should undoubtedly be taken. We'll see how this moves forward.

I'm glad they're sending the cards. Not wild about the idea of then sending them then asking for revisions...

Wow, some big changes there. The balance of power will shift drastically.

Cant really accuse them of playing it safe. I appreciate that they are trying to fix a broken product (although i thought the rules were workable with a little intuition)

So we looking end of June for 2nd Wave?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
I got out of this one when I started having issue with the long delays and spastic updates, then CMON's gak that put the bullgak icing on the cake of shame.

Between CMON and them, they both have serious trust issues that they need to fix before i take in another dance with either of them.

Shame too, because personally, I have nothing but high opinion of Mike and Ally's works.

Just out of curiousity, where are the 'trust issues' with CMoN?

Thus far two of their KS projects (Zombicide, Guilds of Cadwallon) shipped on time with few problems.

Seditions Wars and its problems are pretty well documented here.

Relic Knights has been significantly delayed, but per the Soda Pop team, the delays have been on Soda Pop and not CMoN and the number of new sculpts they had to do.

Remember, CMoN is simply the publisher, not the developer, for Sedition Wars.

Yet they had no problem walking off with a couple of million in cash, and thier communications and logistics is on par with winged monkey flinging poo. Where did the money go?

They had gak commo, gak excuses, and tend to like to use the KS "Model" as a prepay platform to shill out, then leave everyone to twist.
I/E-Trust issues/ excuses.
You put a name to it, its yours. To fall back on "Just the publisher" is the exact reason their logistics is gak.

Like I said, they had absolutly no issues in using KS as a money grab.

I guess we just disagree. Again, both Zombicide and Guilds of Cadwallon ran extremely smoothly.

I have no problem with companies using KS and I don't see it as a money grab. It's a sound risk mitigation tool and if people at willing to participate, as a company you'd be foolish not to use it.

As to logistics: you keep on using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Saw this in the comments section of one of the updates:

Psych Lops Soft Wear about 14 hours ago
My power is going out in the next 10 minutes, so let's spend the time before doing a quick check for some really bad writing that was in V1.0. Oh dear... it's still there:
"Trust me, Morgan, I want to know why we're here as badly as you do?"
"Okay, you're not getting superstitious here Vade? Because ghosts and zombies don't exist?"
Kara grinned[no period]
"Reminds me of my last shore leave?"
"What in the hell was that thing!" (Said Vade, skilfully avoiding an appropriate use of a question mark).
Kara looked back at them. "I'm sorry, this was the best I could do?"
------------------------------------------
Oh boy guys, if this is the version you sent to the printer, you certainly didn't run any kind of critical eye over the writing (despite this being pointed out many, many times by many, many people.

They also "promised" us a book of some manner of fiction at one point, didn't they? Now that's a stretch goal I don't mind missing out on..

I still want the novel!

Oh, and CMON tried to screw me over on rivet wars. During the KS, Ginger Minton told me I could pledge for just add-ons. After the KS, Ginger Minton told me I needed to embiggen my pledge to receive any add-ons. Apparently communication is a bit of an issue. Fortunately, I got my refund.

What was your Rivet War pledge?

As a totally unrelated topic, Rivet Wars was really, really well received at CMoN Expo.

HBMC, I posted about it in the Rivet Wars pledge in the Boardgames subforum.

Just keeping on topic, I haven't had any major regrets so far on the models, although I'm getting seriously sick of restic. The delays are annoying, but I'm more concerned with SMV killing their reputation with the rules and other components. I may never play Sedition Wars, but I would like to retain the option. I would especially like it to be around and supported in some capacity when my son is old enough to get into board games, but the more I read about how unhappy the early supporters are, the less likely that seems to be.

This hating thing seems to get completly out of control on the internet and it is not only some users....

I stopped reading some until recently quite reasonable movie critic sites after they started to bash nearly every movie that only halfway seemed to be successfull. It was not that the films were bad it rather seemed that everything successful had to be burned to the ground.

And to some extent in recent months this set of mind seems to have infected TT-boards too.

I am very vocal when something is really shoddy quality, but I also tend to be one of the more reasonable voices. But even me who normally can stomach a lot gets disgusted by the vitriol some spray.

So, try to ignore most of the hate, have a look for yourself and enjoy if YOU like it.

 cincydooley wrote:
I guess we just disagree. Again, both Zombicide and Guilds of Cadwallon ran extremely smoothly.

I have no problem with companies using KS and I don't see it as a money grab. It's a sound risk mitigation tool and if people at willing to participate, as a company you'd be foolish not to use it.

As to logistics: you keep on using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Nice dig, chief. Logistics is exactly what I said, and exactly what I ment. Don't parade meme's around and act clever when your experience might have been luckier then mine was.

I have tried to go on in along with exactly 4 projects with CMON, and each and every one of them gakked on my head with crap communications and more then a little more then was acceptable inconsistant efforts.

My last one was Kingdom Death. We shall see if it gets the same candy covered gak that the other ones got.


How many million did they take in over the course of the numerous projects, and where did the cash go? Those millions definatly didn't go into fixing the issues, nor into customer service.
Want an example? Try calling them some time.

And I second the gak communication.... misdirections, as a nice way to describe them...

Hate isn't out of control. I had more then enough trouble in dealing with this particular company that if it attaches its name to a project, I give the thing a double look, then move on. Others are in the same mode. Gak customer service gets what it gets.

That is just how it goes.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

I am very vocal when something is really shoddy quality, but I also tend to be one of the more reasonable voices. But even me who normally can stomach a lot gets disgusted by the vitriol some spray.
So, try to ignore most of the hate, have a look for yourself and enjoy if YOU like it.

You have a strong and obvious bias towards game producers at the expense of the consumer. You also make abrasive, aggressive, antagonistic posts on a fairly regular basis. Your posts on balance do not strike me as one of the more reasonable people on this board, rather, you often appear to be a white knight when it's not needed or in dubious situations. You also refuse to apologise when you're proved wrong, as you've shown twice in this last week or so in interaction with myself.

The last line in your post is actually very reasonable, though we're here to discuss the models and look for feedback from other people's experiences. I agree to ignore the hate, but also take on board people's experiences and legitimate issues with things.


I'm very critical, and can also be abrasive at times, and I make no apologies for being biased towards the consumer, though I do try to be fair and balanced, as well as reasonable and articulate about it, and I give credit where it's due. I'm also not afraid to apologise and admit when I've been wrong or misunderstood other posters.

 Grot 6 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
I guess we just disagree. Again, both Zombicide and Guilds of Cadwallon ran extremely smoothly.

I have no problem with companies using KS and I don't see it as a money grab. It's a sound risk mitigation tool and if people at willing to participate, as a company you'd be foolish not to use it.

As to logistics: you keep on using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Nice dig, chief. Logistics is exactly what I said, and exactly what I ment. Don't parade meme's around and act clever when your experience might have been luckier then mine was.

I have tried to go on in along with exactly 4 projects with CMON, and each and every one of them gakked on my head with crap communications and more then a little more then was acceptable inconsistant efforts.

My last one was Kingdom Death. We shall see if it gets the same candy covered gak that the other ones got.


How many million did they take in over the course of the numerous projects, and where did the cash go? Those millions definatly didn't go into fixing the issues, nor into customer service.
Want an example? Try calling them some time.

And I second the gak communication.... misdirections, as a nice way to describe them...

Hate isn't out of control. I had more then enough trouble in dealing with this particular company that if it attaches its name to a project, I give the thing a double look, then move on. Others are in the same mode. Gak customer service gets what it gets.

That is just how it goes.

I'm still curious as to which issues with Zombicide or Guilds of Cadwallon you're talking about. Please, elaborate.

Zombicide had the feth-up with them having to change a few models and basically hitting total radio silence over it. GoC I wouldn't know - that went of without a glitch from where I stand. Pretty good quality production too, from the glances I've been able to give it so far.

 Bolognesus wrote:
Zombicide had the feth-up with them having to change a few models and basically hitting total radio silence over it. GoC I wouldn't know - that went of without a glitch from where I stand. Pretty good quality production too, from the glances I've been able to give it so far.

Are we really considering that a screw up? They made allowances for anyone that didn't like the Mirimax-mandated changes to get refunded..... Where's the problem?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
Zombicide had the feth-up with them having to change a few models and basically hitting total radio silence over it. GoC I wouldn't know - that went of without a glitch from where I stand. Pretty good quality production too, from the glances I've been able to give it so far.

Are we really considering that a screw up? They made allowances for anyone that didn't like the Mirimax-mandated changes to get refunded..... Where's the problem?

Presumably that they knew about the problem for months before they told the people who had already paid for them?

 cincydooley wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
Zombicide had the feth-up with them having to change a few models and basically hitting total radio silence over it. GoC I wouldn't know - that went of without a glitch from where I stand. Pretty good quality production too, from the glances I've been able to give it so far.

Are we really considering that a screw up? They made allowances for anyone that didn't like the Mirimax-mandated changes to get refunded..... Where's the problem?

Dude! don't shoot the messenger... I wasn't even around for that KS! just answering a question I do believe that's what's being argued here.

New Limited Edition Resin released today:

Jet Girl







http://studiomcvey.highwire.com/product/smm35--jetgirl?utm_source=Studio+McVey+List&utm_campaign=abdadcd5f1-SMM26+-+Zeeona&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_33f06d4337-abdadcd5f1-413797517

This is the first Jacques-Alexandre Gillois sculpt we have had in the Limited Edition resin line for a while (he's been hard at work on new Sedition Wars miniatures) - and it's a beautiful piece. It comes from a concept by Roberto Cirillo, and sits alongside the other pieces in our pulp sci-fi collection - Zeeona and Beatuty and the Bot.

The price of this Limited Edition resin miniatures is £13.99, and flat rate shipping to anywhere in the world is £3.95 - no matter how many miniatures you order.

The miniatures come as an unpainted single-piece and is strictly limited to 750 high quality resin castings.

Mike

EDIT: added another picture and store link.

That miniature is awesome!

I'm a big fan of the Rocketeer too...

Off to the Studio McVey store - thanks for posting this Dave!

I would prefer news about 2nd wave shipping dates. Has the stuff left China yet? If so, when? If not, any decent predictions on when it will?

Sorry CptJake I don't know anything about wave 2 shipping I posted Jet Girl here as it's the Studio McVey news and rumour thread not the KS thread if I hear anything I'll post on that thread.

I just found out that while I can get to:

http://www.studiomcvey.com/

I am workblocked for the actual store part of their site!

Another thing to remember to do tonight!

Beautiful model.

That's a gorgeous model, I want it badly. But, there's no way I can justify placing another order with these guys until I have my wave 2 orders in hand (or at least know they're on the way if I'm generous).

Very nice figure.

~Eric

I've got to have this one. It looks great. And the paintjob really is ace, too.

Really nice mini,

If I could afford it this month I would, but I'll need to wait till I can do a larger (& more P&P efficient) order

Very cool- just ordered one, think I'll use it as a SW firebrand or something.

It's been awhile since there has been any Studio McVey news to post but SMV will be at Salute 2016 with some limited edition resins

Salute 2016 is just over a week away, and Studio McVey will be there with resin castings of some of the large monsters from The Others.

So far we have taken delivery of resins of the Avatars for all 7 sins – Pride, Lust, Greed, Gluttony, Wrath, Envy and last but not least – Sloth. These are resin collectors pieces, moulded directly from the original sculpts. They are going to be available in very limited quantities. Once they are gone – we won’t be casting any more.

In case you were not aware, these are pieces from The Others Board we launched on Kickstarter last year. They are all very large pieces (Pride is enormous!), and have been cast beautifully by the same facility that makes out Limited Edition Resin range.

I’ll be posting again here before the show, to update on any other pieces we’ll be selling.

Hope to see you there!

Mike

Limited availability (left over from salute) The Others resin miniatures are now available in the online store - when they are gone they are gone no more will be made.

http://studiomcvey.highwire.com/products/the-others-7-sins?pagesize=40