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 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

That's what they said initially. More recently, they've apparently gone over to something more along the lines of "we'll be examining all our options". (Which means it probably will - free money upfront FTW)

You better substantiate such claims. Some might take your wishful thinkin for hard facts...

You'd "better" be willing and able to back up such implied threats with some sort of action, else it might be a better choice to choose your words more carefully in the future. Anyway, since it's been well documented since, and I've seen your concession, I await your apology.


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 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Indeed it is, it makes me wonder why you accused him and did not simply look for yourself before writing something that harsh.

It's Duncan's manner to carry water for game companies, even when he's wrong or not in possession of all the facts. He's often quite abrasive, aggressive and combative about it. He makes it on and off my ignore list - coming off from time to time since he occasionally has some good information or something worthwhile to share.

So there MIGHT be a kickstarter after all, eh?

Cool. Really liked the looks of the new baddies.

Hopefully that means extra big bads to swear at for not wanting to go together correctly and worry that I won't ever be able to give them the paint jobs they deserve!

Sedition Wars was the only Kickstarter I regretted not being able to back. It just looked so cool at the time, and watching the numbers fly up. I really wanted some extra Cthons and the not- Isaac figure.

If they've got the kinks in the manufacturing ironed out, and hopefully will let backers take a crack at helping iron out the rules, I'm all over it.

Because I obviously don't have enough sci- fi skirmish games.

My Phaedrus Chirurge and Commodore Grist came in the mail today. Phaedrus Chirurge is very detailed. A pretty awesome miniature.

I stopped by the CMoN Expo on Saturday, and the SW stuff for the expansion was Beautiful. Didn't get to talk to Mike, but the stuff in the cabinet was really awesome. Hope it translates well into restic, as I really don't enjoy restic at all....

Other than that, great Expo, liked all the stuff they had and were demoing. Rivet Wars was awesome, can't wait to get that. Puppet Wars was equally impressive, you should buy that game if you like any of the figures. The plastics are absurdly good.

 DaveC wrote:
Same restic miniatures but all the printed material will be done like the the Zombicide stuff so better print and card quality this will include the second print run of BfA

Any chance they may sell a pack with the decent quality cards,boards and mk2 rule book for the alpha testers/kickstarters/early adopters/mugs choose your title based on opinion.

 cincydooley wrote:
It was intimated that it was the top priority right now, which is actually one of the reasons there still has yet to be another KS started by CMoN (Kaos Ball is prototyped and ready for KS and is in a holding pattern).

I know there's a lot of people feeling somewhat burned by Sedition Wars so far, but it was pretty clear from being around Mr. McVey for the entire weekend that he really, really, really wants to get it rectified. With that in mind, I was able to glean that any new tiles that are released for subsequent games will be done by the company that did Zombicide (there have been few, if any, warpage issues reported) and that Studio McVey may even have open betas for KS backers for any future Sedition Wars products.

In all honestly, and quite calmly. I pledged for triple Biohazard plus a shirtload of extras. For the amount of money I've invested in McVey/SW in good faith, I'd like to get at least 1 set of the revised rules and cards provided that I don't have to print myself before considering giving McVey any more money for anything. Simply saying that I've invested in a pre-release product and them's the breaks just reinforces the message of "don't do it again". CMON/McVey isn't the only company in this position...





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SeanDrake wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Same restic miniatures but all the printed material will be done like the the Zombicide stuff so better print and card quality this will include the second print run of BfA

Any chance they may sell a pack with the decent quality cards,boards and mk2 rule book for the alpha testers/kickstarters/early adopters/mugs choose your title based on opinion.

People's boards are being replaced if they are warped, AFAIK.

 Azazelx wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
It was intimated that it was the top priority right now, which is actually one of the reasons there still has yet to be another KS started by CMoN (Kaos Ball is prototyped and ready for KS and is in a holding pattern).

I know there's a lot of people feeling somewhat burned by Sedition Wars so far, but it was pretty clear from being around Mr. McVey for the entire weekend that he really, really, really wants to get it rectified. With that in mind, I was able to glean that any new tiles that are released for subsequent games will be done by the company that did Zombicide (there have been few, if any, warpage issues reported) and that Studio McVey may even have open betas for KS backers for any future Sedition Wars products.

In all honestly, and quite calmly. I pledged for triple Biohazard plus a shirtload of extras. For the amount of money I've invested in McVey/SW in good faith, I'd like to get at least 1 set of the revised rules and cards provided that I don't have to print myself before considering giving McVey any more money for anything. Simply saying that I've invested in a pre-release product and them's the breaks just reinforces the message of "don't do it again". CMON/McVey isn't the only company in this position...





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SeanDrake wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Same restic miniatures but all the printed material will be done like the the Zombicide stuff so better print and card quality this will include the second print run of BfA

Any chance they may sell a pack with the decent quality cards,boards and mk2 rule book for the alpha testers/kickstarters/early adopters/mugs choose your title based on opinion.

People's boards are being replaced if they are warped, AFAIK.

Hey Mate, I invested as much as you and I agree, I want a copy of rules printed out and sent to me, if they don't, I'm done with Sedition Wars I think.

 Mahrdol wrote:
My Phaedrus Chirurge and Commodore Grist came in the mail today. Phaedrus Chirurge is very detailed. A pretty awesome miniature.

Woah... when were these for sale?

Well as mike has now confirmed that coolmini is directing the project and not studio mcvey then I definately won't be touching the kickstarter with a fifty foot pole.

Would be nice to at worst be able to get updated cards, rules and tiles from the updated edition at cost price.

 Marrak wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
My Phaedrus Chirurge and Commodore Grist came in the mail today. Phaedrus Chirurge is very detailed. A pretty awesome miniature.

Woah... when were these for sale?

Mike brought a very few resin casts to one of the recent conventions (if you really want one contact him direct as he's said if the demand is there he could be persuaded to do more for fans)

now on the subject of whether AoS will KS or not (and who makes the call on that) mike had this to say yesterday

"Just to clarify here, as there seems to be some misunderstanding on the upcoming expansions... I really can't remember saying AoS would not be Kickstarted last weekend... I was pretty jet lagged though.

AoS and the two expansions will launch at the same time, and it is still not decided for sure if they will be Kickstarters or not. When I originally said that we would not KS the expansion, the plan was different (and involved substantially less work) - but considering the amount of work and resources that the three products are taking up - that is being re-considered. Ultimately the decision is not mine, but the publishers (Cool Mini or Not), and I'll make an official announcement once that decision is taken.

We'll be showing more of the miniatures and art from the expansions in the coming weeks and months, and I have to say that I am very, very happy with how it is all going. I think there has been a substantial step up in quality on all parts of the product.

mike"

my bank balance crys out in fear, AoS + Bounty Dogs + Firebrand all at once, expensive

After what happened with Zombicide 2 KS I think it is pretty safe to say they probably will KS SW.

Honestly I think the game needs another KS. It has pretty much fallen off the radar right now because of the rules and another KS will get it back on. Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS. I doubt they would ship printed manuals to the first KS backers. They cost for shipping and packaging would probably be too high.

 Mahrdol wrote:
After what happened with Zombicide 2 KS I think it is pretty safe to say they probably will KS SW.

Honestly I think the game needs another KS. It has pretty much fallen off the radar right now because of the rules and another KS will get it back on. Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS. I doubt they would ship printed manuals to the first KS backers. They cost for shipping and packaging would probably be too high.

Right, because they don't already owe us a ton of items they need to ship........... oh wait.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

AoS and the two expansions will launch at the same time, and it is still not decided for sure if they will be Kickstarters or not. When I originally said that we would not KS the expansion, the plan was different (and involved substantially less work) - but considering the amount of work and resources that the three products are taking up - that is being re-considered. Ultimately the decision is not mine, but the publishers (Cool Mini or Not), and I'll make an official announcement once that decision is taken.

mike"

Am I the only one sad to read that McVey doesn't have the final say in this? Sounds like CMoN is in control now of the game :(

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
After what happened with Zombicide 2 KS I think it is pretty safe to say they probably will KS SW.

Honestly I think the game needs another KS. It has pretty much fallen off the radar right now because of the rules and another KS will get it back on. Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS. I doubt they would ship printed manuals to the first KS backers. They cost for shipping and packaging would probably be too high.

Right, because they don't already owe us a ton of items they need to ship........... oh wait.

I doubt they could get them printed in time for our second batch.

 Mahrdol wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
After what happened with Zombicide 2 KS I think it is pretty safe to say they probably will KS SW.

Honestly I think the game needs another KS. It has pretty much fallen off the radar right now because of the rules and another KS will get it back on. Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS. I doubt they would ship printed manuals to the first KS backers. They cost for shipping and packaging would probably be too high.

Right, because they don't already owe us a ton of items they need to ship........... oh wait.

I doubt they could get them printed in time for our second batch.

If they had begun a month ago when they first released the updates rules cards, they could. Given the delays with this, I imagine they have plenty of time to print them out.

Keep defending them!!!!

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
After what happened with Zombicide 2 KS I think it is pretty safe to say they probably will KS SW.

Honestly I think the game needs another KS. It has pretty much fallen off the radar right now because of the rules and another KS will get it back on. Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS. I doubt they would ship printed manuals to the first KS backers. They cost for shipping and packaging would probably be too high.

Right, because they don't already owe us a ton of items they need to ship........... oh wait.

I doubt they could get them printed in time for our second batch.

If they had begun a month ago when they first released the updates rules cards, they could. Given the delays with this, I imagine they have plenty of time to print them out.

Keep defending them!!!!

Read again. In no way did I defend them. They have screwed up a lot but lets be realistic on what we can expect. Do I think they should toss a new manual in our 2nd shipment. Sure. Will it happen who knows?

 Mahrdol wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
After what happened with Zombicide 2 KS I think it is pretty safe to say they probably will KS SW.

Honestly I think the game needs another KS. It has pretty much fallen off the radar right now because of the rules and another KS will get it back on. Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS. I doubt they would ship printed manuals to the first KS backers. They cost for shipping and packaging would probably be too high.

Right, because they don't already owe us a ton of items they need to ship........... oh wait.

I doubt they could get them printed in time for our second batch.

If they had begun a month ago when they first released the updates rules cards, they could. Given the delays with this, I imagine they have plenty of time to print them out.

Keep defending them!!!!

Read again. In no way did I defend them. They have screwed up a lot but lets be realistic on what we can expect. Do I think they should toss a new manual in our 2nd shipment. Sure. Will it happen who knows?

Brother, making excuses for them is defending them. Don't make excuses for them if you're not defending them.

I apologize for that confusion.

 Mahrdol wrote:
Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS.

Getting all the outstanding stuff from the first kickstarter finished first probably wouldn't hurt, either.


As much as I would love to continue to support Studio McVey, and as cool as the new stuff is looking, there is no way I would consider dropping more money until I receive the rest of what I paid for the first time around.

 insaniak wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS.

Getting all the outstanding stuff from the first kickstarter finished first probably wouldn't hurt, either.


As much as I would love to continue to support Studio McVey, and as cool as the new stuff is looking, there is no way I would consider dropping more money until I receive the rest of what I paid for the first time around.

I expect they know that, and I'd be really surprised if they started another KS before this one had been fulfilled...

It has been a while - is there an updated timeline for when all of the remaining Kickstarter stuff will be delivered?

Last I remember hearing, June?

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS.

Getting all the outstanding stuff from the first kickstarter finished first probably wouldn't hurt, either.


As much as I would love to continue to support Studio McVey, and as cool as the new stuff is looking, there is no way I would consider dropping more money until I receive the rest of what I paid for the first time around.

I expect they know that, and I'd be really surprised if they started another KS before this one had been fulfilled...

Yet CMON, who will make the decision, launched the Zombicide Season 2 KS before all the stuff from the 1st KS was delivered. Past actions are generally a decent indicator of future actions they say.

Kaosball is CMoN next KS it launches in June so AoS can't go up until August at earliest I'd say - all wave 2 shipping should hopefully be done by then.

 CptJake wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
Studio Mcvey/Cmon needs to mend some fences and the easiest way to do that is part of a KS.

Getting all the outstanding stuff from the first kickstarter finished first probably wouldn't hurt, either.


As much as I would love to continue to support Studio McVey, and as cool as the new stuff is looking, there is no way I would consider dropping more money until I receive the rest of what I paid for the first time around.

I expect they know that, and I'd be really surprised if they started another KS before this one had been fulfilled...

Yet CMON, who will make the decision, launched the Zombicide Season 2 KS before all the stuff from the 1st KS was delivered. Past actions are generally a decent indicator of future actions they say.

Oh, hadn't heard that. Yeah, agreed with that, then.

I'm surprised they're looking into an expansion allready, the game's not been out that long.

Even if they did a KS now (and as DaveC says CMONs pipeline is full till at least August),

a month for the KS makes it September

then they'll need 9 months for fulfilment (at least, maybe longer as all these projects have been late and led to refund requests)

so that will be a year or more after the game hit the shops which seems par for the course for games that want to retain customer interst

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/sedition-wars-battle-for-alabaster/posts/487899?ref=activity new rules/cards up. You will have to buy new cards and rulebooks if you want printed.

Im invested so ill pay for the rules/cards if they are not extortionate. I hope Lessons have been learned though. I've no interest in paying to regularly update the rules for my game after such a small span of time.

This has soured me on SW a little and ill have to think about whether to support AOS. Hopefully we can get the new cards/book with the second wave.

So tooling has only just been completed, looks like no one wil be receiving anything til August at the earliest then.

I am not amused by this.

They failed to produce a product that was up to basic standards, some of us have multiple packs of it and their ideal solution is for the backer to get the financial blunt of it by printing the damn thing and if they want, to pay for the proper product we should have got in the first place.