Chapterhouse Studios can now get back to developing new components and now terrain pieces.

The Chapterhouse Studios 28mm wargaming sci-fi trenches and emplacement kickstarter is live! I have started it with the DarkTech terrain that we designed to be compatible with Necron rules.
Click here for the Kickstarter Link



Each terrain kit will include 4 short and 4 long defensive barriers as well as 2 weapon emplacement types.

UNLOCKED Space Undead Robot Defensive Terrain for the players compatible with GW Necron models and Warhammer 40,000 Rules



UNLOCKED Space Elf Defensive shields and weapons for the players compatible with GW Eldar models and Warhammer 40,000 Rules





UNLOCKED Tech-Confederation Defensive Walls and Weapons compatible with GW Tau models and Warhammer 40,000 Rules





Unlockable at $13.5K Space Demon and Evil Marine Defensive Walls and Weapons compatible with GW Chaos Demons and Chaos Space Marine models and Warhammer 40,000 Rules





New Unlockable at $17K Space Dark Elf Defensive Walls and Weapons compatible with GW Dark Eldar models and Warhammer 40,000 Rules




Did some modeling today to show how our railguns look on the Games Workshop Tau Battlesuit lines. Each kit contains 20 resin components that allow you to pick between 2 types of barrels for the railgun as well as missile lancher and plasma gun sub-weaponry. These will likely be $14.50 each and are available here.

Chapterhouse Studios Railgun kit on a Games Workshop Tau Commander model (about the same size as the regular Crisis Suits)



Chapterhouse Studios Railgun kit on a Games Workshop current edition Tau Broadside XV88 Battlesuit model







Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Those are rocking!

Welcome back! And congrats!

Inspired by the movie Battleship?

Missile pack part is nice, rest is meh.

Yay! Chapterhouse is back to making new stuffs!
I missed you guys!

Is your "Darktech" terrain going to be exclusively focused on mecha-Egyptian architecture, or will there be more variants like elven or gothic and the like?

Those Tau arms look incredible! And like KK already said, welcome back,

There will be a number of terrain types. DarkTech is the egyptian themed one.

The rail gun arms look really good! Terrain just okay, I also would like to see another style, but Cron players may like it.

My Kingdom for some WFB scale Spartan helmets with no beards(need them for elves).

Super please?

 RiTides wrote:
The rail gun arms look really good! Terrain just okay, I also would like to see another style, but Cron players may like it.

Well, as a Necron player, I just have one thing to say after seeing the DarkTech walls......

The arms look sweet.

Those arms are pretty badass. I know one of the things Tau players wanted really bad were twin rail guns compatible with Tau battlesuits.

Really wish you guys would make a replacement torso that's "compatible with Tau battlesuits".

Meh, nevermind. I just remembered, I've already sold all my Tau stuff. :(

They look good, much better than many of your past offerings. I hope the final product lives up to the CAD, those are some tricky details.

. double post. my bad.

A quick reminder: posts need to be on-topic. Off-topic posts are subject to moderation, and abuse will likely result in unplanned vacations from Dakka.

Nick, welcome back, and congratulations.

Love those arms, will be getting a couple when they are available!

Your trailers are better than GW's ones anyway. Good stuff though, glad to see you're back on track.

The DarkTech stuff looks like it would also work for Convergence of Cyriss terrain for Warmachine/Hordes.

I really like those rail gun arms though. Fantastic.

Can't get movie to work on safari, and couldn't locate on your web page, any chance of some pics?

Personally, what I'd like to see for Tau are parts for the support systems not included on the sprue. The Vectored Retro Thrusters in particular.

Oh man, oh man, when I saw the name "DarkTech" I was thinking "Please don't let it be Necrons, please don't let it be Necrons", BAM, Necrons.

I got the one from B4H Kickstarter and now this! You are pretty much FORCING me to throw money at you guys for that defense line! It looks beautiful! And those gun emplacements look fantastic, love the "machine gun" one

Well, I guess I'll have 2 aegis defense lines and switch around just for the sake of variety

Back in the saddle again! Happy to see that you've hit the ground running. The railguns look fantastic, and the add-on weapon bits are brilliant.

On a side note, how big do your weapons run? Considering some for my Eisenkern.

Yeah congrats but all I want to know will you be getting a stockist in Europe otherwise I won't be getting anything from you guys which is a shame.

overtyrant wrote:
Yeah congrats but all I want to know will you be getting a stockist in Europe otherwise I won't be getting anything from you guys which is a shame.

Talk to your store owner, tell them you want Chapterhouse products. Distributors don't just stock stuff willy-nilly, they need to see demand for it.

Those look awesome!

Any ETA on a High Yeild Missile Pod version of those arms?

ph34r wrote:They look good, much better than many of your past offerings. I hope the final product lives up to the CAD, those are some tricky details.

I had these cast up 6 months ago, and held off release due to the legal storm I was in. They came out brilliantly and are just waiting to be shipped to customers once on the site this weekend.

Theophony wrote:Can't get movie to work on safari, and couldn't locate on your web page, any chance of some pics?

Ill do so when I get on my office computer.

RogueRegault wrote:Personally, what I'd like to see for Tau are parts for the support systems not included on the sprue. The Vectored Retro Thrusters in particular.

So much to do and not enough time. I am having our CAD guy work on some more Tau compatible bits and weapons as we speak

TheDraconicLord wrote:Oh man, oh man, when I saw the name "DarkTech" I was thinking "Please don't let it be Necrons, please don't let it be Necrons", BAM, Necrons.

I got the one from B4H Kickstarter and now this! You are pretty much FORCING me to throw money at you guys for that defense line! It looks beautiful! And those gun emplacements look fantastic, love the "machine gun" one

Well, I guess I'll have 2 aegis defense lines and switch around just for the sake of variety

Do tell, Ive not seen these (for some reason, any guesses, I havent played 40k in about a year).

Guildsman wrote:Back in the saddle again! Happy to see that you've hit the ground running. The railguns look fantastic, and the add-on weapon bits are brilliant.

On a side note, how big do your weapons run? Considering some for my Eisenkern.

Well they were specifically designed to fit the GW Tau Crisis Suits if that helps. Ill take measurements when I place them on the site for sale.

overtyrant wrote:Yeah congrats but all I want to know will you be getting a stockist in Europe otherwise I won't be getting anything from you guys which is a shame.

I dont really have a stockist in Europe. I had more problems then not (such as the stockist mispackaging items since we dont have retail packaging) dealing with them at this time. This may change when we go retail though.

Thank you for all the congratulation and welcome back post.

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Sorry Nick, I should've been more specific. I meant your infantry weapons, specifically the sniper rifles.

HA!! I had a very similar idea for a "Necron" ADL but alas I dont have the skills to make it.

Guess I will be buying from CHS in the near future.

It's a good thing that Apocalypse is getting a revision soon. I'm already sitting on 3 old style Broadsides, 6 of the FW suits, and three new missilesides, and these arms look too good to ignore.

Why does my spartan heads idea get ignored by every company out there?

/cry

I do like those Tau arms though, even though I don't play them. Much nicer than the old style, and the new.

 Cyporiean wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
Yeah congrats but all I want to know will you be getting a stockist in Europe otherwise I won't be getting anything from you guys which is a shame.

Talk to your store owner, tell them you want Chapterhouse products. Distributors don't just stock stuff willy-nilly, they need to see demand for it.

Would absolutely love to but we have no Hobby stores anywhere near here

Honestly they look good but I have learned with Digitals never to trust them until I see a printed copy as certain companies have shown it can go south real quick. You just end up disappointed when that happens and that makes me a sad panda :(.

The dark tech terrain looks, well, really good.

I've not been taken by CHS's stuff in the past but this looks very promising. I'll be watching with interest.

So essentially, these are Broadside arms, not arms for the standard suit loadouts?

if I played tau I buy the rails guns. much much better than 'hugh and puff big bad wolf'

 Padre wrote:
Nick, welcome back, and congratulations.

Aerethan wrote:Why does my spartan heads idea get ignored by every company out there?

/cry

I do like those Tau arms though, even though I don't play them. Much nicer than the old style, and the new.

If I had a z-brush artist on board I would see what I could do.. As it is I have a lot on my plate at the moment.

Empchild wrote:Honestly they look good but I have learned with Digitals never to trust them until I see a printed copy as certain companies have shown it can go south real quick. You just end up disappointed when that happens and that makes me a sad panda :(.

I have 200 of these arms on hand, and they came out awesome.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:So essentially, these are Broadside arms, not arms for the standard suit loadouts?

Im not sure what the weapons and rules are for Tau, surely you could use these for whatever you wanted as long as your opponent understood when the game started.

Those LOOK AMAZING!

A big jetpack kit for Broadsides would be sweet.

I'm very much liking the arms, and the defensive walls. Interested in seeing how they translate to actual kits.

 Chapterhouse wrote:

TheDraconicLord wrote:Oh man, oh man, when I saw the name "DarkTech" I was thinking "Please don't let it be Necrons, please don't let it be Necrons", BAM, Necrons.

I got the one from B4H Kickstarter and now this! You are pretty much FORCING me to throw money at you guys for that defense line! It looks beautiful! And those gun emplacements look fantastic, love the "machine gun" one

Well, I guess I'll have 2 aegis defense lines and switch around just for the sake of variety

Do tell, Ive not seen these (for some reason, any guesses, I havent played 40k in about a year).

Ask and ye shall receive.....http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brush4hire/brush-4-hire-barricades-and-bunkers

Now the drawings for the DarkTech walls have the green bits in the wall. Are those going to be in the model as an insert/extra piece or are the walls going to be one solid piece with no clear green parts?

Very, very, nice arms. Are those meant to be "replacements" of sorts for the new Broadside suits or the Crisis suits to make them interchangeable as broadsides?

Whatever they are meant for, they certainly would improve the look of the gun broadside (or any XV-9 counting as such).

Yeah. I personally did not like the new look that was given to the Broadsides.

CHS, I noticed that the Railgun "barrels" are removable, does this mean that you may potentially be doing a set of arm-ends for the High-Yield Missile Pods too?

Would be cool to see some Eldar Warlock heads mocked up something along the lines of the larger farseer heads, just scaled down some. And maybe some torso's to go with them? All you would need is gaurdin legs to make them....... Maybe some kick ass looking witch blades as large as they are kinda like the pic of the warlock in the codex in the purple get up. His sword is larger then him. Id like to run warlocks with DA or GD but all the GW figs are ugly.

Zathras wrote:

 Chapterhouse wrote:

TheDraconicLord wrote:Oh man, oh man, when I saw the name "DarkTech" I was thinking "Please don't let it be Necrons, please don't let it be Necrons", BAM, Necrons.

I got the one from B4H Kickstarter and now this! You are pretty much FORCING me to throw money at you guys for that defense line! It looks beautiful! And those gun emplacements look fantastic, love the "machine gun" one

Well, I guess I'll have 2 aegis defense lines and switch around just for the sake of variety

Do tell, Ive not seen these (for some reason, any guesses, I havent played 40k in about a year).

Ask and ye shall receive.....http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brush4hire/brush-4-hire-barricades-and-bunkers

Now the drawings for the DarkTech walls have the green bits in the wall. Are those going to be in the model as an insert/extra piece or are the walls going to be one solid piece with no clear green parts?

Ours will be seperate green resin components

Enigwolf wrote:Very, very, nice arms. Are those meant to be "replacements" of sorts for the new Broadside suits or the Crisis suits to make them interchangeable as broadsides?

Enigwolf wrote:Yeah. I personally did not like the new look that was given to the Broadsides.

CHS, I noticed that the Railgun "barrels" are removable, does this mean that you may potentially be doing a set of arm-ends for the High-Yield Missile Pods too?

I already have someone working on an additional missile component that will replace the rail barrels.

Nice stuff, good to see you back in the game
I assume the "separate green resin components" will be transparent/semi-transparent? Have you considered selling a couple of different colours? Personally I'd want the green ones but there's plenty of players who prefer different colours for the precoloured 'glowy' bits like anarchy models crystals etc (which, let's face it, see 99%+ of their use on necron armies as well).
Would seem like a relatively cheap to provide option!

Maybe I missed it, but I don't quite see you confirm whether these are made to fit the new (cooler, but pricy) broadsides or the old crisis suit chassis.
Since I assume you've been rather too busy to commission stuff like this over the past few months I'd assume it's pre-tau release stuff and therefore fits the old xv-8 kit, but you know what they say about assuming

Those heavy battlesuit arm guns could go a long way toward fixing the botched visual design of a giant robot kit whose main gun forces it into basically one pose. Your kits would provide dynamism and a more recognizable silhouette.

Bolognesus wrote:Nice stuff, good to see you back in the game
I assume the "separate green resin components" will be transparent/semi-transparent? Have you considered selling a couple of different colours? Personally I'd want the green ones but there's plenty of players who prefer different colours for the precoloured 'glowy' bits like anarchy models crystals etc (which, let's face it, see 99%+ of their use on necron armies as well).
Would seem like a relatively cheap to provide option!

Maybe I missed it, but I don't quite see you confirm whether these are made to fit the new (cooler, but pricy) broadsides or the old crisis suit chassis.
Since I assume you've been rather too busy to commission stuff like this over the past few months I'd assume it's pre-tau release stuff and therefore fits the old xv-8 kit, but you know what they say about assuming

You would be correct... I have not seen the new Broadside kits and dont know how they scale compared to the XV8 suits. I had these designed to fit on the Crisis kits. Would they fit the new broadsides? Yes if the arm connections are the same size as the crisis suits.

 Chapterhouse wrote:

Zathras wrote:

 Chapterhouse wrote:

TheDraconicLord wrote:Oh man, oh man, when I saw the name "DarkTech" I was thinking "Please don't let it be Necrons, please don't let it be Necrons", BAM, Necrons.

I got the one from B4H Kickstarter and now this! You are pretty much FORCING me to throw money at you guys for that defense line! It looks beautiful! And those gun emplacements look fantastic, love the "machine gun" one

Well, I guess I'll have 2 aegis defense lines and switch around just for the sake of variety

Do tell, Ive not seen these (for some reason, any guesses, I havent played 40k in about a year).

Ask and ye shall receive.....http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brush4hire/brush-4-hire-barricades-and-bunkers

Now the drawings for the DarkTech walls have the green bits in the wall. Are those going to be in the model as an insert/extra piece or are the walls going to be one solid piece with no clear green parts?

Ours will be seperate green resin components

Sweet....as soon as they go on sale I'll be ordering one. Finally a themed ADL with guns and comm tower for my Crons.

These do look quite nice. I hope they sell, as I don't know how Chapterhouse plan to pay down that $25k judgement...

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 Chapterhouse wrote:

Bolognesus wrote:Nice stuff, good to see you back in the game
I assume the "separate green resin components" will be transparent/semi-transparent? Have you considered selling a couple of different colours? Personally I'd want the green ones but there's plenty of players who prefer different colours for the precoloured 'glowy' bits like anarchy models crystals etc (which, let's face it, see 99%+ of their use on necron armies as well).
Would seem like a relatively cheap to provide option!

Maybe I missed it, but I don't quite see you confirm whether these are made to fit the new (cooler, but pricy) broadsides or the old crisis suit chassis.
Since I assume you've been rather too busy to commission stuff like this over the past few months I'd assume it's pre-tau release stuff and therefore fits the old xv-8 kit, but you know what they say about assuming

You would be correct... I have not seen the new Broadside kits and dont know how they scale compared to the XV8 suits. I had these designed to fit on the Crisis kits. Would they fit the new broadsides? Yes if the arm connections are the same size as the crisis suits.

ah, good to know. that would make for an ideal "build an affordable broadside unit" pack then. Any idea on the coloured components being offered in more than one colour?

I just want to know if you guys at chapter house plan on making positional legs for the battle suits i cant handle the same poses anymore!!! I would wet myself and throw my credit card at you if you did ........ Who says I need rent for the month!

Congratulations Chapterhouse, welcome back to the game.

I'll be watching these new Tau bits with great interest.

I review my earlier statement, about already having 1 full unit of the old BSides, 2 of the FW suits, and another one of the current Missilesides, take note of the fact that in order to use the proffered arms I will have to buy GW battlesuits, and compare all that against the arguments of some that buying from you is stealing from GW, and their arguments are even more comical than ever.

Welcome back, the rail guns are looking awesome.

I would highly recommend putting that teaser video on youtube however. It loads funky as is and youtube is far more accessible to everyone on mobile devices etc.

Keep up the good work!

Wait, are those new rail gun arms scaled to the crisis suit or scaled to fit the new broadside?

 Mecha_buddha wrote:
Wait, are those new rail gun arms scaled to the crisis suit or scaled to fit the new broadside?

Already answered on this page:
Intended for Crisis Suits, as he hasn't seen the new Broadside kit yet. Might work as well though.

Nick, I know you have a lot going on, however... Since you are now using 3d modelling, are you going to go back and maybe redo some of your older products? I really like the concept of some of your shoulderpads but the details look a bit rough.

Good news, I have submitted the Defense Line kickstarter for approval and it should only be a couple of days till the launch. I play on the Dark Tech defense line to be the starter and as goals are reached add the other styles of terrain to the Kickstarter.

I have also added a "support" level item for those who may not want a defense line but wish to show their support for Chapterhouse Studios.

I will update you all first thing when it goes live.

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios

I suppose this is how that 25k is getting paid.

Joking aside, can't wait to see what else you have lined up. Keep up the great work.

The Chapterhouse Studios 28mm wargaming sci-fi trenches and emplacement kickstarter is live! I have started it with the DarkTech terrain that we designed to be compatible with Necron rules and the first stretch goal is the Space Elf Shielding and weapons emplacements that are compatible with Eldar rules. Click here for the Kickstarter Link

Each terrain kit will include 4 short and 4 long defensive barriers as well as 2 weapon emplacement types.

DarkTech Defensive Terrain for the players using GW Necron models and rules



Space Elf Defensive shields and weapons for the players using GW Eldar models and rules





I will be adding different races terrain as well as different colors or resin for the clear components as the KS progresses.

Nick - Chapterhousestudios.com

Are those elven wall's energy shields going to be cast in clear resin?

Additionally, the wall sections are the energy shield emplacements. The gun platform is the quad-crystal-gun. What's that single gun?

Finally, the video yu have showcasing the elven weapons goes well beyond the pictures due to the length of the song. May want to clip that tail section out.

Hope it does well! It'd be nice to include something for the $15 pledge, though... maybe simply a wallpaper or PDF. I.e. nothing you have to mail

Thanks for the notes.. I think ill include a nice little commemorative meme from the sketches of the trial as a thank you

Unfortunately, my Necrons use red, rather than green.... Can we have a stretch goal for a selection of colors?

HNNNNNNGGGG

god those bits are boss.

would love to see more mech support war gear gear. like armor plating, sensor systems and stuff.

 Janthkin wrote:
Unfortunately, my Necrons use red, rather than green.... Can we have a stretch goal for a selection of colors?

Sounds like a plan

 Chapterhouse wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Hope it does well! It'd be nice to include something for the $15 pledge, though... maybe simply a wallpaper or PDF. I.e. nothing you have to mail

Thanks for the notes.. I think ill include a nice little commemorative meme from the sketches of the trial as a thank you

Yep, something like that

Hey Nick have you advertised this KS yet on the gaming forums? I did not know it started... You likely have submitted it as news already and are just waiting for them to post it.

 NoseGoblin wrote:
Hey Nick have you advertised this KS yet on the gaming forums? I did not know it started... You likely have submitted it as news already and are just waiting for them to post it.

I just posted it on tabletop gaming news... I need to create a banner (anyone want to help with that and Ill reiumburse you?).

Nick

Got my Farseer and Warlock jetbike conversion kits the other day and loved 'em (first CHS purchase). Just backed this for the Eldar set. Good luck CHS!

Wow, I'm in the first six backers.

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with for the other races.

So, so far we're seeing the walls, Necron comms relay and Icarus gun, and Eldar Quad gun and Icarus gun, right?

judgedoug wrote:Got my Farseer and Warlock jetbike conversion kits the other day and loved 'em (first CHS purchase). Just backed this for the Eldar set. Good luck CHS!

Im glad you liked them, and thank you for your order!

shade1313 wrote:Wow, I'm in the first six backers.

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with for the other races.

So, so far we're seeing the walls, Necron comms relay and Icarus gun, and Eldar Quad gun and Icarus gun, right?

I think you can use the space undead components as anything for the necron army, they are all pretty non-gun-like.. to be honest we did not design many comms-relays, though that is a good idea for stretch goal rewards!

I'm really hoping you hit a lot of stretch goals, and unlock a bunch of races, because I pledged for six of the bloody things.

I am a bit nuts, though...

Very very nice! I've pledged for my set.

I'm curious about the clear colored resin. When things slow down consider an update to showcase some pictures of how that looks - I'd be very interested in seeing it.

Why do people always pass up the opportunity that is "Risks and challenges" on Kickstarter? Instead of actually talking about the process in a way that invites people to contribute, they just put in some marketing bull**** about how everything will be fine. Why not be a bit honest here about what steps are still ahead and how the funding will help you meet these challenges?

Design looks great and I may be spoiled by other kickstarters but... $58 entry price seems a bit steep for one Space Undead Defense Line.

Are there going to be stretch freebies, etc. or is just a pre-order kickstarter?

What are the measurements on those walls going to be?

 AduroT wrote:
What are the measurements on those walls going to be?

I would imagine they exactly match the length and height of a certain ADL.

 frozenwastes wrote:
Why do people always pass up the opportunity that is "Risks and challenges" on Kickstarter? Instead of actually talking about the process in a way that invites people to contribute, they just put in some marketing bull**** about how everything will be fine. Why not be a bit honest here about what steps are still ahead and how the funding will help you meet these challenges?

While that's a valid point, maybe raising it in a thread for a KS of a company with plenty of actual experience in producing pretty much the kind of stuff being offered here was not the most opportune moment Besides, they've already got digital designs, they have experience both with the printing service (I believe they've used them plenty of times before by now) and anyone involved in the casting - maybe you should raise that one again on a rather less low-risk KS than this one.

...oh, and pledged. I actually still don't see the need for an aegis line but I play necrons and rather like CHS, and transparent glowy bits always get a rise out of my rather vocal inner child

 frozenwastes wrote:
Why do people always pass up the opportunity that is "Risks and challenges" on Kickstarter? Instead of actually talking about the process in a way that invites people to contribute, they just put in some marketing bull**** about how everything will be fine. Why not be a bit honest here about what steps are still ahead and how the funding will help you meet these challenges?

I agree. It looks really unprofessional. When a company writes their business plan or goes IPO, there is a section specific for potential risks and challenges that is typically very detailed.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Are those elven wall's energy shields going to be cast in clear resin?

Additionally, the wall sections are the energy shield emplacements. The gun platform is the quad-crystal-gun. What's that single gun?

To be honest CHS I'm not impressed with the kickstarter... Well, the presentation of the kickstarter when I vist the page. I would suggest uploading a better video for the front page but that's just me.

But on to the good stuff.

Wow, this stuff looks awesome. Your kits have always been quite nice. I will most likely fund this project because I know the quality of your product and you're filling a need for me as a player.
And of course, Welcome back.

 Absolutionis wrote:
What's that single gun?

It is absolutely not an Icarus Lascannon.

 Enigwolf wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
Why do people always pass up the opportunity that is "Risks and challenges" on Kickstarter? Instead of actually talking about the process in a way that invites people to contribute, they just put in some marketing bull**** about how everything will be fine. Why not be a bit honest here about what steps are still ahead and how the funding will help you meet these challenges?

I agree. It looks really unprofessional. When a company writes their business plan or goes IPO, there is a section specific for potential risks and challenges that is typically very detailed.

You're not actually comparing a KickStarter with an IPO filing, are you?

In general, I agree with the underlying point: for a generic KickStarter, it would be reassuring to see an assessment of which costs have to be met to succeed on the project. But I tend not to fund generic KickStarters - I stick with ones where either I know the underlying company, or the path from funding to deliverable is clear.

 Janthkin wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
Why do people always pass up the opportunity that is "Risks and challenges" on Kickstarter? Instead of actually talking about the process in a way that invites people to contribute, they just put in some marketing bull**** about how everything will be fine. Why not be a bit honest here about what steps are still ahead and how the funding will help you meet these challenges?

I agree. It looks really unprofessional. When a company writes their business plan or goes IPO, there is a section specific for potential risks and challenges that is typically very detailed.

You're not actually comparing a KickStarter with an IPO filing, are you?

In general, I agree with the underlying point: for a generic KickStarter, it would be reassuring to see an assessment of which costs have to be met to succeed on the project.

Yes, I am, actually. Trying to avoid straying too much off-topic here, but the idea behind a Kickstarter is the same as with IPOs - external funding. That's why the Risks & Challenges section exists. The video is your rocket pitch. Personally, I feel that CHS' Kickstarter can benefit from being properly done so that they can draw more interested parties rather than the existing wargaming community that's already following CHS' posts.

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Janthkin wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
Why do people always pass up the opportunity that is "Risks and challenges" on Kickstarter? Instead of actually talking about the process in a way that invites people to contribute, they just put in some marketing bull**** about how everything will be fine. Why not be a bit honest here about what steps are still ahead and how the funding will help you meet these challenges?

I agree. It looks really unprofessional. When a company writes their business plan or goes IPO, there is a section specific for potential risks and challenges that is typically very detailed.

You're not actually comparing a KickStarter with an IPO filing, are you?

In general, I agree with the underlying point: for a generic KickStarter, it would be reassuring to see an assessment of which costs have to be met to succeed on the project.

Yes, I am, actually. Trying to avoid straying too much off-topic here, but the idea behind a Kickstarter is the same as with IPOs - external funding. That's why the Risks & Challenges section exists. The video is your rocket pitch. Personally, I feel that CHS' Kickstarter can benefit from being properly done so that they can draw more interested parties rather than the existing wargaming community that's already following CHS' posts.

Not to drag this even more off-topic, but the Risks and Challenges section is fairly new. It actually became a thing the same week we submitted the Kickstarter for Endless for approval at the end of September last year, with no information about wtf Kickstarter wanted there or how they wanted it presented.

 Cyporiean wrote:
with no information about wtf Kickstarter wanted there or how they wanted it presented.

They want something they can point to and shrug when people complain to Kickstarter that the creator of project XYZ took their money and went to Tijuana instead of making left handed pop tarts. The vagueness is totally intentional, I imagine.

Also waiting for more stuff before backing this, but I guess I'll pick the minimum pledge for now just to support what I thought was fighting a worthwhile battle.

WTB lower dollar amount minimum pledge.

Side note, what all is included in said PDF at the $15 mark?

 Aerethan wrote:
WTB lower dollar amount minimum pledge.

Side note, what all is included in said PDF at the $15 mark?

You can actually pledge any amount, without selecting a "tier" of pledge. Just select "No Reward."

 Janthkin wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
WTB lower dollar amount minimum pledge.

Side note, what all is included in said PDF at the $15 mark?

You can actually pledge any amount, without selecting a "tier" of pledge. Just select "No Reward."

he probably wants to get a reward though.

And...we're about to hit the funding goal.

Yup no reward means the project creator does not get your email address at the end of the project, and can't send you a survey

as for risks, the real risks are those things you can't anticipate like the print company manager stealing all the print companies funds (Sedition Wars), or one of your suppliers flooding and loosing everything (Warzone), your illustrator injuring their hand so badly they can't work (Hell Dorado) or your sculptor sending a 3D file that won't work as is and then just ignoring you when asked to fix it (Endless Fantasy Tactics)

all you can realistically say is if there are problems we'll do the best we can to overcome it

The other interesting thing as far as Dakka is concerned is how this topic is going to be policed as far as non-kickstarter-related comments. I know for sure at least one offtopic comment was posted about the morality, for lack of a better word, of CHS and how they do business in regards to the trial. That comment was rightfully removed and a warning was rightfully posted given to stay on-topic. Good.

Now, however, that they have opened that door themselves; would such a comment still be off-topic? The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

all you can realistically say is if there are problems we'll do the best we can to overcome it

No, you can outline all the things that need to happen between now and the product getting into the hands of the end consumer and put in how you plan on handling those things. You can talk about how the funds will allow for the work needed to be accomplished and in doing so, you'll communicate two very important things to your potential backers:

a) That you're serious about communicating with them and have thought through the whole process and how their pledge will help make the project a reality.

and

b) You're honest and not hiding what the process is behind a vague "just trust us" line.

 Ouze wrote:
The other interesting thing as far as Dakka is concerned is how this topic is going to be policed as far as non-kickstarter-related comments. I know for sure at least one offtopic comment was posted about the morality, for lack of a better word, of CHS and how they do business in regards to the trial. That comment was rightfully removed and a warning was rightfully posted given to stay on-topic. Good.

Now, however, that they have opened that door themselves; would such a comment still be off-topic? The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

This is off-topic.

Well, we have 2 big threads in Discussions for that, so imo this thread should focus on the product they're producing. The PDF is just a bit of fun, imo- this campaign is really for the walls, and to give CHS a boost for those who want to support them.

So, I'd say that would belong in Dakka Discussions. Edit: Ninja'ed by Janthkin




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And the goal is met already!

 Cyporiean wrote:

 Janthkin wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
WTB lower dollar amount minimum pledge.

Side note, what all is included in said PDF at the $15 mark?

You can actually pledge any amount, without selecting a "tier" of pledge. Just select "No Reward."

he probably wants to get a reward though.

Not worried about any rewards, I was unaware that one could back any amount regardless of those listed(which makes sense).

 Ouze wrote:
The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

This is actually borderlining on being illegal by Kickstarter regulations, because all funds are supposed to be going towards the development of the stated product. It cannot be used to recoup other personal costs or costs not associated with the project. From the "What is Not Allowed" page:

Kickstarter cannot be used to raise money for causes, whether it's the Red Cross or a scholarship, or for "fund my life" projects, like tuition or bills.

If you look under the Report section, it'll also be stated that funds cannot be used to cover other expenses.

frozenwastes wrote:Why do people always pass up the opportunity that is "Risks and challenges" on Kickstarter? Instead of actually talking about the process in a way that invites people to contribute, they just put in some marketing bull**** about how everything will be fine. Why not be a bit honest here about what steps are still ahead and how the funding will help you meet these challenges?

To be honest, the only hurdle I forsee is the fact I may be locked up packing orders and a little slow to ship the items out. This is not a new process for myself of Chapterhouse Studios. Worst case scenario I hire a part timer to help me pack orders.

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:Very very nice! I've pledged for my set.

I'm curious about the clear colored resin. When things slow down consider an update to showcase some pictures of how that looks - I'd be very interested in seeing it.

I cant promise much regarding photos, since these still need to be sent for printing and molding. The designs are CADed already.

pretre wrote:Design looks great and I may be spoiled by other kickstarters but... $58 entry price seems a bit steep for one Space Undead Defense Line.

Are there going to be stretch freebies, etc. or is just a pre-order kickstarter?

I am thinking about stretch freebies, though to be fair, the cost to the customers is pretty spot on with our cost at the moment. The one thing I was thinking about is a communication rig, but I think some of the terrain set pieces can double as a communication relay or a weapon (the space undead seems that way to me).

AduroT wrote:What are the measurements on those walls going to be?

pretre wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
What are the measurements on those walls going to be?

I would imagine they exactly match the length and height of a certain ADL.

I believe they match what the WH40k rulebook specifies for defense line terrain.

Bolognesus wrote:

 frozenwastes wrote:
Why do people always pass up the opportunity that is "Risks and challenges" on Kickstarter? Instead of actually talking about the process in a way that invites people to contribute, they just put in some marketing bull**** about how everything will be fine. Why not be a bit honest here about what steps are still ahead and how the funding will help you meet these challenges?

While that's a valid point, maybe raising it in a thread for a KS of a company with plenty of actual experience in producing pretty much the kind of stuff being offered here was not the most opportune moment Besides, they've already got digital designs, they have experience both with the printing service (I believe they've used them plenty of times before by now) and anyone involved in the casting - maybe you should raise that one again on a rather less low-risk KS than this one.

...oh, and pledged. I actually still don't see the need for an aegis line but I play necrons and rather like CHS, and transparent glowy bits always get a rise out of my rather vocal inner child

Agreed, again the risk I can forsee are limited to me needing help to pack and ship the orders instead of myself having the ability to do it myself.

Absolutionis wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
Are those elven wall's energy shields going to be cast in clear resin?

Additionally, the wall sections are the energy shield emplacements. The gun platform is the quad-crystal-gun. What's that single gun?

We designed these to be adaptable to the Aegis Defense Line in the WH40k Rulebook along with the 2 different weapon choices.

Deacis657 wrote:To be honest CHS I'm not impressed with the kickstarter... Well, the presentation of the kickstarter when I vist the page. I would suggest uploading a better video for the front page but that's just me.

But on to the good stuff.

Wow, this stuff looks awesome. Your kits have always been quite nice. I will most likely fund this project because I know the quality of your product and you're filling a need for me as a player.
And of course, Welcome back.

I appologize, this is my first attempt at a Kickstarter, and I did the best I could with the resources at hand and the time I had.

pretre wrote:

 Absolutionis wrote:
What's that single gun?

It is absolutely not an Icarus Lascannon.

Aerethan wrote:WTB lower dollar amount minimum pledge.

Side note, what all is included in said PDF at the $15 mark?

One of my friends had a sketch artist do art work based off of the trial teams in the GW vs CHS case. I will be mailing out a copy of this to all parties who pledge.

And we are funded


Nick - Chapterhouse Studios

 Chapterhouse wrote:


And we are funded


Nick - Chapterhouse Studios

And nearly halfway there to my Spess Elfses defenses and guns.

And a 3rd update;

$10.5 k Stretch Goal - Tech Confederacy Terrain - Armored Barriers, 2 weapon options and tech comms relay
Update #3 · Jun 25, 2013 · comment

Stretch Goal 3# Tech Confederacy terrain that is compatible with the Tau defense line rules from the Games Workshop Warhammer 40k 6th edition rules. Each set comes with 4 long and 4 short defensive shields as well as 2 different heavy weapon emplacements and a comms relay.

Backers will be able to pick this kit as the defensive terrain choice for the tier 2-4 rewards.

Nice. So far, we're 3 for 3 on styles that I can use.

Damn! I was hoping 'Tech Confederacy' would be Adeptus Mechanicus with a hint of steampunk.

Congrats on getting funded anyhow.

Am I missing something here? I can't seem to find out what the cost of international shipping.

Re the emplacements themselves, very nice looking! I am a bit uneasy pledging for a set based just on the renders as you don't really get the same feel for the kit as an actual model. Any chance we will be seeing prints before the KS has ended?

 Commander Cain wrote:
Am I missing something here? I can't seem to find out what the cost of international shipping.

Re the emplacements themselves, very nice looking! I am a bit uneasy pledging for a set based just on the renders as you don't really get the same feel for the kit as an actual model. Any chance we will be seeing prints before the KS has ended?

At the bottom of the description of each pledge level that ships physical product, they list the international shipping cost. For example, one set of =/=ADL is $7 international shipping.

shade1313 wrote:

 Commander Cain wrote:
Am I missing something here? I can't seem to find out what the cost of international shipping.

Re the emplacements themselves, very nice looking! I am a bit uneasy pledging for a set based just on the renders as you don't really get the same feel for the kit as an actual model. Any chance we will be seeing prints before the KS has ended?

At the bottom of the description of each pledge level that ships physical product, they list the international shipping cost. For example, one set of =/=ADL is $7 international shipping.

Well I was indeed missing something. No idea how, I am well rehearsed in kickstarters by now!

 Commander Cain wrote:
Am I missing something here? I can't seem to find out what the cost of international shipping.

Re the emplacements themselves, very nice looking! I am a bit uneasy pledging for a set based just on the renders as you don't really get the same feel for the kit as an actual model. Any chance we will be seeing prints before the KS has ended?

30 days is a long time, I think I will have the prints on hand before then.

I believe they match what the WH40k rulebook specifies for defense line terrain.

I do not know what size that is. Haven't played any sixth edition and don't own the rule book. I'm wondering if these would be about the right size for Warmachine walls actually, ie ~1" high.

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

This is actually borderlining on being illegal by Kickstarter regulations, because all funds are supposed to be going towards the development of the stated product. It cannot be used to recoup other personal costs or costs not associated with the project. From the "What is Not Allowed" page:

Kickstarter cannot be used to raise money for causes, whether it's the Red Cross or a scholarship, or for "fund my life" projects, like tuition or bills.

If you look under the Report section, it'll also be stated that funds cannot be used to cover other expenses.

Except the funds earmarked for making something new, at least in as much as any kickstarter's funds are earmarked for their stated purpose. The trial pdf is the equivalent of "we'll thank you on our webpage/give you a thumbs up/eat a sandwhich in your honor" non-reward which are quite common for people who just want to support the cause. Its certainly mroe common in other less commercial projects than in the gaming ks we've seen. I see no reason to report it, but ymmv.

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I'd encourage anyone interested in this to check out the ones being Made by Mr Dandy here:

http://www.mrdandy.com/wargamma-linked-barricades/

They're cheaper and don't require anything to be Kickstarted.

 cincydooley wrote:
I'd encourage anyone interested in this to check out the ones being Made by Mr Dandy here:

http://www.mrdandy.com/wargamma-linked-barricades/

They're cheaper and don't require anything to be Kickstarted.

Thanks for the news, do you mind keeping other companies items in the thread about those items though, thank you!


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Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

This is actually borderlining on being illegal by Kickstarter regulations, because all funds are supposed to be going towards the development of the stated product. It cannot be used to recoup other personal costs or costs not associated with the project. From the "What is Not Allowed" page:

Kickstarter cannot be used to raise money for causes, whether it's the Red Cross or a scholarship, or for "fund my life" projects, like tuition or bills.

If you look under the Report section, it'll also be stated that funds cannot be used to cover other expenses.

Except the funds earmarked for making something new, at least in as much as any kickstarter's funds are earmarked for their stated purpose. The trial pdf is the equivalent of "we'll thank you on our webpage/give you a thumbs up/eat a sandwhich in your honor" non-reward which are quite common for people who just want to support the cause. Its certainly mroe common in other less commercial projects than in the gaming ks we've seen. I see no reason to report it, but ymmv.

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I think someone is mistaken as I didnt even mention of recouping any cost of legal cost or fees in the kickstarter, anywhere... As it is, "This is also ideal for the hobbyist who wants to show support of Chapterhouse Studios recent legal fight to help keep conversion kits for Warhammer 40k on the market. "

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I know, right? That's why I'm trying to find out how tall they are, since walls in Warmachine aren't really supposed to be more than 1" tall. I want those Necron ones for my Cryx, which already use a ton of Necron themes, and those Eldar ones would be great for Cyris/Retribution.

 AduroT wrote:

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I know, right? That's why I'm trying to find out how tall they are, since walls in Warmachine aren't really supposed to be more than 1" tall. I want those Necron ones for my Cryx, which already use a ton of Necron themes, and those Eldar ones would be great for Cyris/Retribution.

I can't speak perfectly for these, of course, but the "tall" parts of the ADL are more like 1.5" tall.

 Janthkin wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I know, right? That's why I'm trying to find out how tall they are, since walls in Warmachine aren't really supposed to be more than 1" tall. I want those Necron ones for my Cryx, which already use a ton of Necron themes, and those Eldar ones would be great for Cyris/Retribution.

I can't speak perfectly for these, of course, but the "tall" parts of the ADL are more like 1.5" tall.

Indeed. Why I'm wondering about these, as they appear to be a more uniform height across the whole length.

 Chapterhouse wrote:

To be honest, the only hurdle I forsee is the fact I may be locked up packing orders and a little slow to ship the items out. This is not a new process for myself of Chapterhouse Studios. Worst case scenario I hire a part timer to help me pack orders.

And you don't see an advantage to letting the backers know that you've got this planned out to the point of planning to hire temporary packing staff if needed?

At best, the whole approach of not using the Challenges & Risks is missing an opportunity to instill confidence in the backers. This is where you take the time to deal with both real issues you foresee and perceived issues your backers might see.

Just look at the information flow as you go down the KS page. You've got all this stuff about what you want to accomplish and loads of content and then a "Nah... everything will be fine" in the section about what challenges you need to meet in order to accomplish what you said you wanted to. If the at-best is that you're missing an opportunity, the at-worst is that it looks fly-by-night to hide your risks and challenges by hand waving them away with a one liner.

AduroT wrote:

 Janthkin wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I know, right? That's why I'm trying to find out how tall they are, since walls in Warmachine aren't really supposed to be more than 1" tall. I want those Necron ones for my Cryx, which already use a ton of Necron themes, and those Eldar ones would be great for Cyris/Retribution.

I can't speak perfectly for these, of course, but the "tall" parts of the ADL are more like 1.5" tall.

Indeed. Why I'm wondering about these, as they appear to be a more uniform height across the whole length.

I have an image on my other PC showing the height of a marine behind the space elf barriers, the top of the space elf shielding reaches the top of the head of the marine.

frozenwastes wrote:

 Chapterhouse wrote:

To be honest, the only hurdle I forsee is the fact I may be locked up packing orders and a little slow to ship the items out. This is not a new process for myself of Chapterhouse Studios. Worst case scenario I hire a part timer to help me pack orders.

And you don't see an advantage to letting the backers know that you've got this planned out to the point of planning to hire temporary packing staff if needed?

At best, the whole approach of not using the Challenges & Risks is missing an opportunity to instill confidence in the backers. This is where you take the time to deal with both real issues you foresee and perceived issues your backers might see.

Just look at the information flow as you go down the KS page. You've got all this stuff about what you want to accomplish and loads of content and then a "Nah... everything will be fine" in the section about what challenges you need to meet in order to accomplish what you said you wanted to. If the at-best is that you're missing an opportunity, the at-worst is that it looks fly-by-night to hide your risks and challenges by hand waving them away with a one liner.

I have addressed at the bottom of the KS now, I hope that is sufficient to address your concerns.

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Chapterhouse/Nick, would you happen to have anything made of this clear resin on-hand for photographs? I'm honestly very interested in this Kickstarter, but considering I'm a fan of the elven terrain, the clear resin parts are going to be make-or-break for me.

I'm especially curious how translucent the resin will be and how deep the blue will be.

Note to the thread, folks: discussion of the product is fine, and that can include discussion of alternatives. But discussion of other posters is definitely off-topic, and runs the risk of violation of our forum rules.

Absolutionis wrote:Chapterhouse/Nick, would you happen to have anything made of this clear resin on-hand for photographs? I'm honestly very interested in this Kickstarter, but considering I'm a fan of the elven terrain, the clear resin parts are going to be make-or-break for me.

I'm especially curious how translucent the resin will be and how deep the blue will be.

I will see if our casters have any examples they can show me and post them

AduroT wrote:

 Janthkin wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

To try and be more on topic, those necron walls would be sweet for Cryux or Cyriss if in pale blue.

I know, right? That's why I'm trying to find out how tall they are, since walls in Warmachine aren't really supposed to be more than 1" tall. I want those Necron ones for my Cryx, which already use a ton of Necron themes, and those Eldar ones would be great for Cyris/Retribution.

I can't speak perfectly for these, of course, but the "tall" parts of the ADL are more like 1.5" tall.

Indeed. Why I'm wondering about these, as they appear to be a more uniform height across the whole length.

The nice thing about CAD is we can make modifications on the run if need be, what are the heights of the ADL from GW? For WH40k LOS for weapons is based off of the eyes of the models, right? So what height would you guys think would be good for the walls and forcefields?

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

The Tech Confederacy line is smashing! Nice job.

 Chapterhouse wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:Chapterhouse/Nick, would you happen to have anything made of this clear resin on-hand for photographs? I'm honestly very interested in this Kickstarter, but considering I'm a fan of the elven terrain, the clear resin parts are going to be make-or-break for me.

I'm especially curious how translucent the resin will be and how deep the blue will be.

I will see if our casters have any examples they can show me and post them

I guess there's no rush on the matter. Sometime between now and the end of the KS, I believe we'll be getting photographs of the models, and the trenslucency will be revealed there.

Thank you!

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Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

This is actually borderlining on being illegal by Kickstarter regulations, because all funds are supposed to be going towards the development of the stated product. It cannot be used to recoup other personal costs or costs not associated with the project. From the "What is Not Allowed" page:

Kickstarter cannot be used to raise money for causes, whether it's the Red Cross or a scholarship, or for "fund my life" projects, like tuition or bills.

If you look under the Report section, it'll also be stated that funds cannot be used to cover other expenses.

Except the funds earmarked for making something new, at least in as much as any kickstarter's funds are earmarked for their stated purpose. The trial pdf is the equivalent of "we'll thank you on our webpage/give you a thumbs up/eat a sandwhich in your honor" non-reward which are quite common for people who just want to support the cause. Its certainly mroe common in other less commercial projects than in the gaming ks we've seen. I see no reason to report it, but ymmv.



I think someone is mistaken as I didnt even mention of recouping any cost of legal cost or fees in the kickstarter, anywhere... As it is, "This is also ideal for the hobbyist who wants to show support of Chapterhouse Studios recent legal fight to help keep conversion kits for Warhammer 40k on the market. "

I would hate to say you're lying but your very own facebook page says otherwise.....


Jun 25, 2013 1:36pm



The Chapterhouse Studios 28mm wargaming sci-fi trenches and emplacement kickstarter is live! I have started it with the DarkTech terrain that we designed to be compatible with Necron rules and the first stretch goal is the Space Elf Shielding and weapons emplacements that are compatible with Eldar rules.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1877613212/28mm-wargaming-sci-fi-trenches-and-emplacements-te

Each terrain kit will include 4 short and 4 long defensive barriers as well as 2 weapon emplacement types. I will be unlocking terrain that is COMPATIBLE with the following codexes as the project unfolds - Tau, Demons, Chaos Demons, Tyranids, and Dark Eldar.

Also I will be releasing new clear colored resin options as the stretch goals are hit.

Please share this link as this will help Chapterhouse Studios recoup the cost of the $25,000 legal fee we have to pay due to standing up to Games Workshop.
Sincerely,
Nick Villacci
Chapterhousestudios.com


I have put in bold and underlined the relevant sentence. Would you care to explain yourself?

What is there to explain?

He didn't post that on Kickstarter and he acknowledged that he didn't post it in the Kickstarter.

That's a Facebook post, on Facebook asking to share the link and it will help them recoup some fees, which points to the Kickstarter.

Facebook isn't Kickstarter. So, his statement remains correct.

Look, we get it. Some of you guys are really against CHS, for whatever reason, but coming in here and threadjacking (there's a better word but filter doesn't like it) isn't good for you or the thread.

So, expect posts to be flagged.

Inquisitor Kallus wrote:


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Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Enigwolf wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
The have a pledge level that explicitly is stated to recoup costs of running a trial for their business, I'd have to think discussions of such that led to here are now also on-topic. And tiresome, as well; but are those mutually exclusive? I suppose we'll see, because for sure this is going to come up in the next 29 days.

This is actually borderlining on being illegal by Kickstarter regulations, because all funds are supposed to be going towards the development of the stated product. It cannot be used to recoup other personal costs or costs not associated with the project. From the "What is Not Allowed" page:

Kickstarter cannot be used to raise money for causes, whether it's the Red Cross or a scholarship, or for "fund my life" projects, like tuition or bills.

If you look under the Report section, it'll also be stated that funds cannot be used to cover other expenses.

Except the funds earmarked for making something new, at least in as much as any kickstarter's funds are earmarked for their stated purpose. The trial pdf is the equivalent of "we'll thank you on our webpage/give you a thumbs up/eat a sandwhich in your honor" non-reward which are quite common for people who just want to support the cause. Its certainly mroe common in other less commercial projects than in the gaming ks we've seen. I see no reason to report it, but ymmv.



I think someone is mistaken as I didnt even mention of recouping any cost of legal cost or fees in the kickstarter, anywhere... As it is, "This is also ideal for the hobbyist who wants to show support of Chapterhouse Studios recent legal fight to help keep conversion kits for Warhammer 40k on the market. "

I would hate to say you're lying but your very own facebook page says otherwise.....


Jun 25, 2013 1:36pm



The Chapterhouse Studios 28mm wargaming sci-fi trenches and emplacement kickstarter is live! I have started it with the DarkTech terrain that we designed to be compatible with Necron rules and the first stretch goal is the Space Elf Shielding and weapons emplacements that are compatible with Eldar rules.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1877613212/28mm-wargaming-sci-fi-trenches-and-emplacements-te

Each terrain kit will include 4 short and 4 long defensive barriers as well as 2 weapon emplacement types. I will be unlocking terrain that is COMPATIBLE with the following codexes as the project unfolds - Tau, Demons, Chaos Demons, Tyranids, and Dark Eldar.

Also I will be releasing new clear colored resin options as the stretch goals are hit.

Please share this link as this will help Chapterhouse Studios recoup the cost of the $25,000 legal fee we have to pay due to standing up to Games Workshop.
Sincerely,
Nick Villacci
Chapterhousestudios.com


I have put in bold and underlined the relevant sentence. Would you care to explain yourself?

Sure, Chapterhouse Studios is planning on making money from the kickstarter sales of the terrain and that money along with all the capital and income from our sales of general products we currently have on hand will be going towards paying any expenses from the legal battle.

I am surprised I have to spell that out, as it is Business 101 to pay any outstanding debts that are due with income earned. Even so far that I have chosen to cut my salary in half until any outstanding fees are paid. I do not see what you are trying to say or make it look like I am doing...

To be honest you appear to be attacking me because I am trying to release new products, make income, and that income will be used to pay for legal cost.

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

So 'Inquisitor Kallus', who are you also known as usually then. ?

 Chapterhouse wrote:

To be honest you appear to be attacking me because I am trying to release new products, make income, and that income will be used to pay for legal cost.

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Maybe he just would rather see the kickstarter funds going toward developing, producing and releasing the kickstarter first and foremost.

 whitedragon wrote:

 Chapterhouse wrote:

To be honest you appear to be attacking me because I am trying to release new products, make income, and that income will be used to pay for legal cost.

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Maybe he just would rather see the kickstarter funds going toward developing, producing and releasing the kickstarter first and foremost.

Actually, if a company does what it says it will, at the funding level they ask for, its nobody else's damn business what the funds are used for. If the pledge levels are not what the customer is willing to pay, then to use an old white knight-ism, don't pay it.

 whitedragon wrote:

 Chapterhouse wrote:

To be honest you appear to be attacking me because I am trying to release new products, make income, and that income will be used to pay for legal cost.

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Maybe he just would rather see the kickstarter funds going toward developing, producing and releasing the kickstarter first and foremost.

Contrary to popular belief, people start Kickstarters to engage in a profitable business.

Not to give free stuff to people all over the world at the cost of everything of the creator.

Surely you can't think that if X amount of money is need to produce and item and if X+Y is made in the KS, the creator just burns Y in the fireplace?

Most often X is needed and the KS ends up with X-Y an they lose money at the interest of keeping their business going and generating a good reputation.

All that talk about where the funds are going, I find a bit silly, yes he has obligations to take care of, bills, overhead and so on. The legal fees fall under overhead, the same kind of expense I pay to an attorney when negotiating contracts and such. What KS is trying to avoid is you funding a vacation or some such thing.

If you back for a product and he delivers the product, why should you care what he does with the profits.... KS also says it will not let charities run a KS, what you are basically saying is that you want Nick not to make a profit and run a charity...That is forbidden by KS guidelines.

Thanks everyone, I think the concerned posters get the message.

If they are looking to start a flame fest though I am sure the mods will nip it in the bud.

 NoseGoblin wrote:

If you back for a product and he delivers the product, why should you care what he does with the profits....

This should be rather self-evident. Why does anybody support (or choose not to) support a business? I don't think this is really the can of worms you want to open.

But on the other hand, as a business owner, why even mention it at all? All you (Chapterhouse) do is open yourself up to scrutiny and garner a perception that you are doing something you shouldn't be doing. And then by getting into a drawn out nit-picky argument about it over the internet, you just polarize your customers (and potential customers) even more. Why do you even want to be involved in this type of conversation is beyond me, and your "speed" at which you post in this very thread could then make other detractors accuse you of spending your time poorly. Why even engage in the debate?

Nice stuff!
Thanks Chapterhouse! You have my pledge!

 whitedragon wrote:
Why even engage in the debate?

I agree!

Let's all endeavor to not do this and stay on topic instead.

Thanks!

$7000 hit.

Needs more images of Elven walls now!

Also, images of the next stretch goal. Perhaps something gribbly and biological. Please and thank you.

Stretch Goal 3 - $13.5k

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1877613212/28mm-wargaming-sci-fi-trenches-and-emplacements-te/posts/521834

Demon and Heretical Slave Shields...

Not sold on that one. Part of it is the colors used in the rendering, I think (I guess they're rock spires?), but the bound "slave" is going to suffer from repetition across multiple large segments, and doesn't really fit an aesthetic consistent with the collections of toy soldiers I'd want to use it with.

Puns most definitely intended.

I'd trade you for some straight-up crystal walls in appropriate sizes.

ON TOPIC: I think the "not eldar" barriers are pretty cool. The "not necron" stuff isn't quite what I was hoping for though. Still, I think you guys are making great stuff and look forward to more from you. Although I do have doubts about the "demon" barriers. I just don't know why but I'm not really a fan. :/

Side issue: Do you still take projects from hobbyists like the Storm Raven conversion kit that you sell?

 Janthkin wrote:
Not sold on that one. Part of it is the colors used in the rendering, I think (I guess they're rock spires?), but the bound "slave" is going to suffer from repetition across multiple large segments, and doesn't really fit an aesthetic consistent with the collections of toy soldiers I'd want to use it with.

Puns most definitely intended.

I'd trade you for some straight-up crystal walls in appropriate sizes.

Partially agree, like the concept, not sold on the execution (and a demon wall is what I'd be wanting to upgrade my pledge)

Personally, when thinking of building one, I'd been thinking of bones erupting from the earth, connected with tissue, feel free to be inspired by that if you feel the need.

As it stands, I think one slave portion would be better, but suspect that might bugger about with the casting.

I'm went a little giddy when I heard demon walls... Now... I'm a little weirded out by it? I feel like the slaves should be on the short ends so there isn't the "repetition" that is occurring... Also are those female slaves? Or gender mixed?

I like the demon walls a lot, both in concept and mostly in execution. Perhaps add a few joining pieces with crucifixions - the kind of fellows who would be using those kinds of walls seems like they'd also probably be into that sort of thing. Maybe upside down, maybe on stylized chaos stars, I dunno.

The bone idea is pretty good as well.

Not sure what that last orb thing is though.

A flayed victim on a cruciform structure would be:

1. creepier

2. gender neutral

3. appealing to House Bolton fans.

Yet another not-aegis...

I personally am digging the design aesthetic of the Demon ones. Actually really considering getting them for my CSM army now. Hmmm...

Looking closer at the Demon slave picture, it's a female slave with what I would consider to be gratuitous cleavage and... is that something going in between her legs?

 Enigwolf wrote:
is that something going in between her legs?

That looks to be dangling cloth.

More important question is what exactly the spikes are attached to... Are they going through her or just kinda sitting on her back...?

orkybenji wrote:
Yet another not-aegis...

There'll be other stuff down the road. Right now filling gaps created by GW is the most lucrative option for CH.

Here is a banner that we had put together for the Kickstarter if you want to link or post about it.

I don't see a banner.

The cultist chan on the walls gives off a bit of a creepy vibe- and not in a good way. I would definitely recommend a gender neutral (flayed?) sacrifice and have it as an extra bit to be added to avoid repetition. That way it could be placed on different sections in different positions.

Wtf is the "orb of misery"? Just looks odd. I would go for more of a daemon/mechanical hybrid with spikes or something. Sort of like PP's Egregor. Maybe with gaping, toothy maws.

Those railgun arms just left me speechless. Im really happy to see you guys are working more on Those tau compatible bits, theyre really outstanding i already love all the head range you have and the Heavy walker! Hope to see more of those Tau bits around ^^

How about less see through clam shell and more flayed bodies ?

Less magical and more low tech. Think of the wall of bodies from 300, but all skinned and draped over rocks.

I actually really love the wall-of-bodies idea.

You can even "Chaos" it up by shoving a couple large Chaos Stars in the for structural support.

To hell with the Wall of Martyrs. It'll be the Wall of Sacrifices.

"Hide behind the pile of dead bards!"

 Valhallan42nd wrote:
"Hide behind the pile of dead bards!"

That needed to be exalted.

 Valhallan42nd wrote:
"Hide behind the pile of dead bards!"

I have that mini, I need to get around to painting it..

 adamsouza wrote:


How about less see through clam shell and more flayed bodies ?

Less magical and more low tech. Think of the wall of bodies from 300, but all skinned and draped over rocks.

Consider a wall of bodies in the works... Ill see what we can work up before the end of the kickstarter.

Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Yeah, wall of bodies!

This thread got awesome real quick.

If you could include versions of these walls that are only like ~3/4" tall I would be very interested in them for Warmachine terrain as said before. However it sounds like the heights you've got now are too tall for walls for that game. Not sure how easily the digital sculpting will let you make different sizes.

I'd be okay with a wall of bodies!

 AduroT wrote:
If you could include versions of these walls that are only like ~3/4" tall I would be very interested in them for Warmachine terrain as said before. However it sounds like the heights you've got now are too tall for walls for that game. Not sure how easily the digital sculpting will let you make different sizes.

I'd be interested, too... maybe a stretch goal, since they're powering through walls usable with 40k already.

Nick,
First I am soooo happy to see you get back into the swing of things!!
Second, if I go with the kick starter that offers multiple walls option (3 sets etc) can I pick 3 different sets if they are available? I love the Eldar, Tau, and the Demon ones if they become available. If they dont then I will just get multiple eldar hehe.

RiTides wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
If you could include versions of these walls that are only like ~3/4" tall I would be very interested in them for Warmachine terrain as said before. However it sounds like the heights you've got now are too tall for walls for that game. Not sure how easily the digital sculpting will let you make different sizes.

I'd be interested, too... maybe a stretch goal, since they're powering through walls usable with 40k already.

Ill look into it, which ones do you think would work well with the warmachine factions?

Fishboy wrote:Nick,
First I am soooo happy to see you get back into the swing of things!!
Second, if I go with the kick starter that offers multiple walls option (3 sets etc) can I pick 3 different sets if they are available? I love the Eldar, Tau, and the Demon ones if they become available. If they dont then I will just get multiple eldar hehe.

Yes sir, if you do a multiple set reward you can pick and choose what you want.

 Valhallan42nd wrote:
A flayed victim on a cruciform structure would be:

1. creepier

2. gender neutral

3. appealing to House Bolton fans.

Agreed all around.

I'd totally be okay with a flayed person... hell I already have a Malifaux Doppelganger, which has her backside flayed

 Valhallan42nd wrote:
A flayed victim on a cruciform structure would be:

1. creepier

2. gender neutral

3. appealing to House Bolton fans.

Hold on, there are House Bolton fans?

 jonolikespie wrote:

 Valhallan42nd wrote:
A flayed victim on a cruciform structure would be:

1. creepier

2. gender neutral

3. appealing to House Bolton fans.

Hold on, there are House Bolton fans?

It takes all kinds...

http://www.reddit.com/r/Dreadfort

Topic....

Are there plans for an alien insect one? With weapons?

Yay! backed! Cant wait to see more. Also is there any other colors for the clear resin or is it just the colors listed?

Ill look into it, which ones do you think would work well with the warmachine factions?

Off hand Eldar stuff tends to work well for Retribution of Scyrah as they have the same kind of curved smooth surfaces in aesthetic. Retribution also makes use of a lot of force fields.

The Chaos walls shown would be great for Skorne. They're real big on chains and torture and stuff.

Generic Guard walls would probably work for Khador/Cygnar.

The Necron walls maybe Cryx, or if an option for blue plastic was included then Cyriss. I'm eyeing them for my Cryx though as I've already added a ton of Necron parts and models into my Cryx army.

Hey, just out of curiosity, what's the ETA on those Riptide weapons? I'd love to grab them, they look superb. I realize they're still in the dev phase.

Thanks.

10.5k reached. Time to reveal those gribbly walls of biological gribbliness.

I am happy to see how well and quick this is taking off. In one day it jumped over $2K
Looks like you hit on something in the market that we have all been waiting for Nick heh.

The price point on this is simply to high for me for something like this. $35-$40 I could have understood. More expensive than the company who's "gaps" their filling but still reasonably priced. Almost double the cost just isn't in my wheel house.

But hey, it's not GW so no one will complain about ridiculous pricing so good luck

 Chapterhouse wrote:
Consider a wall of bodies in the works... Ill see what we can work up before the end of the kickstarter.
Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

A wall of bodies would be an excellent representation of a chaos barricade. Having a combination of bodies, a solid structure and a the original sacrifice idea would also be good IMO. That way it could easily be customised to better fit Deamons, CSM and traitor guard as well as giving a bit of variety. I realise that there would be cost implications for this but perhaps something as simple as making the sacrifice attachable to the main structure could be done fairly easily.

Would these kits be interchangable?

Not too sure about the skulls on the Dark Space Elf set.

The Tech Confederation Defensive Terrain has been unlocked.

A new Fourth Stretch goal at $17K - Dark Space Elves Defensive line and Weapon Turrets

The fourth stretch goal will be the Dark Space Elf defensive terrain kit.

This kit comes with 4 long walls, 4 short walls, a turret mount, 2 weapon choices and a coms array.

The comm array is interesting. My 2 cents - the top and bottom don't match. The bottom is fantastic - 110% spot on. The top part is problematic; I think it looks more like something you're see on an organic xenomorph type race (presuming no skulls) - lets call these hypothetical aliens Terrornoids. My idea would be to scrap the top model (reuse it it for the Terronoid equivalwnt). Replace it with some kind of thin tubing, cylinder, crystal* or; whatever, it's not important, just to add height and balance - then copy and paste the base, scale3D it to make it a little smaller and a little taller/more slender, and bam, call it a day. Maybe flip it upside down or something, maybe make it bladed both up and down.

*and if you use some kind of crystal, you can use that model and part in green again for the Deathcrons or Necrotrons or whatever the space robots are called.

 Hulksmash wrote:
The price point on this is simply to high for me for something like this. $35-$40 I could have understood. More expensive than the company who's "gaps" their filling but still reasonably priced. Almost double the cost just isn't in my wheel house.

But hey, it's not GW so no one will complain about ridiculous pricing so good luck

Remember, it's GW's fault the price is so high, CHS has to make that 25K somehow.

The tall towers on the Dark Elf wall are an interesting idea, but the giant skulls are not. I guess inappropriate giant skulls plastered everywhere isn't a protected design element.

The Necron and Tau walls are decent looking (except the streetlights on the tau wall) but all of the turrets/comm relays so far have looked odd.

I like the DE ones including the skulls. However maybe that sacrifice idea from the daemons could carry over to these walls placed instead of the skulls? I would probably convert to add the sacrifice to the wall itself either way heh.

The Comm array looks good to me. It has that old DE feel with the layered armour you saw on the old DE jetbikes and raiders.

Happy to see something for my CSM/CSD armies.

Sadly thows sacrifice "walls" look way to silly to me. look idea on paper, but needs to be incorperated with something that looks more like actuall defensive structures. Also the cube thingy looks to vague as a weapon to me. I would rather see some real cannons.

Edit:
A wall of dead and flayed bodies would be awsome...

I don't play Dark Eldar, but those walls have potential. Those outcroppings are a prime support for flesh hooks and other miscellaneous bladed items that people may have an excess of from Raider, Talos, and especially Ravager kits.

The skulls, however, really don't fit the aesthetic. I like to see the DE aesthetic more like sleek and high-tech turned to sinister purposes. Constructing a wall of skuls with skullcannons seems more like something Chaos would do.

The Comm Array, however, is spot-on. Looks high-tech, looks like a pylon, has sinister spikes, and has no superfluous giant skulls.

I'd really prefer companies stay away from GW's SkullHammer design style.

I do like the Dark Elf weapons though.

I don't like the skulls on the Elf walls, looks too much like Skeletor stuff. Spikey elegant ornaments would look better IMHO.

 Palindrome wrote:

 Chapterhouse wrote:
Consider a wall of bodies in the works... Ill see what we can work up before the end of the kickstarter.
Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

A wall of bodies would be an excellent representation of a chaos barricade.

I agree with this, so am glad to hear it's in the works! I may pledge for one if it appears before the end.

Look decent, can't wait to see what else gets unlocked!

I'm in for a wall of bodies, and I don't even play any evil armies. It's just a really cool concept I would never attempt to scratch build myself.

Would love to see less giant skulls but also see the Dark Elf stuff in particular look like it could be deployed and broken down FAST. It looks more 40k Chaos Marauder right now than Dark Elf.

I you do an orc defense wall, try and capture the style/feel of the orc barricades set. Please
Without laying yourself open to problems of course.

Did some modeling today to show how our railguns look on the Games Workshop Tau Battlesuit lines. Each kit contains 20 resin components that allow you to pick between 2 types of barrels for the railgun as well as missile lancher and plasma gun sub-weaponry. These will likely be $14.50 each and are available here.

Chapterhouse Studios Railgun kit on a Games Workshop Tau Commander model (about the same size as the regular Crisis Suits)



Chapterhouse Studios Railgun kit on a Games Workshop current edition Tau Broadside XV88 Battlesuit model


Nick Villacci
Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Oh wow. They scale up real well.

Is that a massive bubble in the commander suit chest?

Loving the arms. They look reminiscent of District 9 weapons a little. Quite nice.

no thats authentic finecast battle damage. provided at no extra charge!

Holy gak. It looks so imposing on the new Broadsides.


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Are there plans to make a similar version for the HYMP?

MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
The price point on this is simply to high for me for something like this. $35-$40 I could have understood. More expensive than the company who's "gaps" their filling but still reasonably priced. Almost double the cost just isn't in my wheel house.

But hey, it's not GW so no one will complain about ridiculous pricing so good luck

The tall towers on the Dark Elf wall are an interesting idea, but the giant skulls are not. I guess inappropriate giant skulls plastered everywhere isn't a protected design element.

The Necron and Tau walls are decent looking (except the streetlights on the tau wall) but all of the turrets/comm relays so far have looked odd.

Needs more random spikes.

$58 on the way. Looking forward to getting the "Not-Necron ADL".

I like it! I don't tend to use third party stuff simply because A: I can't be bothered with the hassle of not being able to use it in GW stores, and B: I like to convert all my own stuff, but they look fantastic! I particularly like the Chaos walls with the chained up Psykers.

The only thing I don't like is the Dark Eldar walls/turret. They fit in nicely with the old, 3rd edition aesthetic, but not with the modern designs.

Anyway, best wishes!

Also, will these be cast in resin, metal or plastic?

@Squig - Pretty sure they said the it was all gonna be resin...

@CHS - Any plans to let us purchase additional weapon/comm emplacements as addons?

I wanted to show the revised designs for the Space Elf Shield Walls as well as the Dark Space Elf Walls. As you can see we removed the skulls from the Dark Space Elf terrain as well as made sure that the models would have line-of-sight over the walls themselves.

Space Elf Shield Walls


Dark Space Elf Walls


And here are the variant walls that will be unlocked at 23K and 25K

Space Elf Hard Wall Variant


Space Elf Raider Shield Walls


I also wanted to let you all know that at the end of the Kickstarter that anyone who pledged for the terrain sets will be given the option to purchase additional weapon mounts for their terrain.

Thanks!

Nick - Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Very nice. I like the revisions.

Can there be a Tau force field line as well?

That's it! Force Fields of everyone!

... actually, Necron Shields would make a lot of sense... they kinda pit shields on everything now...

I really like the Tech Confederatin line. If only Tau used things like that in their Fluff. Oh well. Take my money!!!

While such lines are not explicitly mentioned in Tau fluff (or, indeed, any army beyond the Imperium's use of ADLs), I don't see anything indicating that they WOULDN'T use such a defensive line. So, it's all good.

And, having now got 2 nice designs for lines for both "Elves" and "Dark Elves", it's looking like I'll even be expanding my pledge.

I will say, I've purchased a few things from Chapterhouse over the years: some of the Razorback turrets, some of the "TRU SCALE" power armor guys, the jetbike space elf kits, and some of the wheeled APC conversion kits. I've never been happy with any of my purchases from them, though the Space Elf kits were decent(and my brother was happy with them when I gave him the gift)

Well, I gave Chapterhouse another try with the Tau Railgun arms. They arrived the other day, and these are fantastic. They're clean, they fit together perfectly, and they're free of defects. There is a lot of detail on these pieces, and they fit to the GW kits perfectly.

Nick, please continue making kits like this! Also, I would love to see the little missile pod bits being available separately. They're pretty nice.

The revised models are much improved over the previous renderings.

Not a huge fan of the render of the bug walls - they might look better in resin though.

I quite love the disaffected slacker manning all these walls! He's like: 'whatever, space elves, I'll man your stupid walls if that will get you off my back about finding a job.'

 yakface wrote:

I quite love the disaffected slacker manning all these walls! He's like: 'whatever, space elves, I'll man your stupid walls if that will get you off my back about finding a job.'

Maybe they should make a miniature out of it!

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 yakface wrote:

I quite love the disaffected slacker manning all these walls! He's like: 'whatever, space elves, I'll man your stupid walls if that will get you off my back about finding a job.'

Maybe they should make a miniature out of it!

Dunno, he's pretty tall. You'd have to use him as a titan.

Seems like the now unlocked Space Bug walls haven't been posted yet in this thread:




Only 93$ until the Dark Elf Raider Portable Force Field Walls are unlocked.

I'm actually tempted by the space bug walls, if it was all like the outside... but the interior of it- ugh! Not sure how they envision that being painted, but the interior needs more details, imo.

 RiTides wrote:
I'm actually tempted by the space bug walls, if it was all like the outside... but the interior of it- ugh! Not sure how they envision that being painted, but the interior needs more details, imo.

Yeah, if you're going to have "growing" walls made up of overlapping carapace, the interior needs to look like a body on which such a carapace could grow.

Agreed

Also, with the idea of carapace/scales/chitin, should the hard pieces on the front of the wall be flipped over so that the carapace has the "highest" level on the top and moves down from there? As it stands right now, the carapace nearest the ground is the "highest" level... not very protective if it doesn't allow for glancing hits.

 Alfndrate wrote:
Agreed

Also, with the idea of carapace/scales/chitin, should the hard pieces on the front of the wall be flipped over so that the carapace has the "highest" level on the top and moves down from there? As it stands right now, the carapace nearest the ground is the "highest" level... not very protective if it doesn't allow for glancing hits.

It looks correct to me. New scales are created underneath older ones, not over them. I think it only looks odd because the scales face downward instead of up, so it looks like something burrowing into the ground instead of rising from it.

 Aerethan wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Agreed

Also, with the idea of carapace/scales/chitin, should the hard pieces on the front of the wall be flipped over so that the carapace has the "highest" level on the top and moves down from there? As it stands right now, the carapace nearest the ground is the "highest" level... not very protective if it doesn't allow for glancing hits.

It looks correct to me. New scales are created underneath older ones, not over them. I think it only looks odd because the scales face downward instead of up, so it looks like something burrowing into the ground instead of rising from it.

It all depends on what you consider to be the oldest. The top pieces, I would assume are the oldest pieces, and they're facing down... unless that's what you were getting at (It's been a long day and it's fething hot today.)

I like this orientation - it's not that something grew out of the ground, it's that a bunch of shield-wall critters just walked over here & shoved their heads in the ground, with their scales overlapping.

So those are bug butts we're staring at?

Really liking the Eldar/DE walls.

Any plans for any Nid scenery/kits?

Sorry, just saw Kroothawks post.

 Janthkin wrote:
I like this orientation - it's not that something grew out of the ground, it's that a bunch of shield-wall critters just walked over here & shoved their heads in the ground, with their scales overlapping.

Agreed! It's just the inside face that bugs* me, needs to feel a bit more organic and less like a few lines drawn horizontally.


*Heh.

Edit: Although now that I noticed this, the lack of texture on the inside face makes more sense:

Chapterhouse Kickstarter wrote:The Fifth Stretch Goal has been unlocked and will be the Space Bug defensive terrain kit. This kit comes with 4 long walls, 4 short walls, a turret mount, 2 weapon choices and a coms array. You can see what the walls will look like, but we are revising the look of the weapons and these will be posted as they are developed. We are also devising textures for the terrain as well.

If that means the inside face will be more textured, I'll be a lot more tempted to pledge! If Chapterhouse could clarify, that would be great

Fleshy pods on the sides and center, connected by a network of veins/arteries would look much better than those thick lines.

Some new developements on the Space Bug terrain - the weapons and comms mount..



Also, we are having trouble trying to nail down a space demons weapon emplacement, that being said, we have come up with a demonic avatar that would defend its allies..



I am having the designer work on a space orc set, but I would rather us flesh out the existing sets and polish them off rather then add another terrain type this far into the kick starter.

Nick

Well, dang... I fell asleep at the wheel here and missed this ending. Will definitely be watching how the space bug walls turn out!

Guys thought you would like to view the first print ups we have of the Space Undead Walls..

Coming along nicely!

These i do want!

Demon Avatar Emplacement??????? Best Idea this year. You could even do some elemental. Suddenly urging to see more.

i rather like the tau walls and broadside arms along with the necron stuff. maybe for demons defenses you could make a tower writhing with wap energy? like something out of totr? theres my two cents.



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The artwork of Mordor really fits the bill in my Opinion.

This month sees the release of 2 new resin kits from Chapterhouse Studios.

The Warp Hunter 5 man infantry squad - $29.00.
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Each resin set comes with 5 models which includes a commander unit that has options for a triskelion throwing blade as well as a bladed pole-arm.

4 Warp Stalker Infantry with Blades and Pistols

1 Warp Stalker Commander with Triskelion Blade and Pistol as well as 2-Handed Bladed Pole-arm

5 Bases

This kit is designed to be compatible with other 28mm scale miniatures games.

Sculpted by Michio Okamura and painted by Jose Veiga.

Models supplied unassembled and unpainted.



Imperial Guard Infantry Accessory kit - $7.50
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This resin kit consist of 13 resin components - 1 Side Arm, 1 Limpet Mine, 1 Trench Knife, 5 assorted pouches, 1 canteen, 1 bedroll, 1 rucksack,1 claymore mine and 1 communications gear.

This kit is designed to be compatible with other 28mm scale miniatures.

Sculpted by Stephen Smith and painted by Jose Veiga.

Models supplied unassembled and unpainted.

Link to the whole news release is available here.

Oh... and here is a teaser of something we are putting our best foot forward on..





Nick - Chapterhouse Studios

I love that staff weapon, do you plan to make any just by themselves with no hands or anything on them?

Damn, I want those elves so much!

!! Here's hoping for a prettier non centurion model!!

New book does have me looking at a StormRaven conversion kit.

 Chapterhouse wrote:


Also, we are having trouble trying to nail down a space demons weapon emplacement, that being said, we have come up with a demonic avatar that would defend its allies..

Its just a suggsetion, but why not something like this?



With both arms stretched forward so that the Statue can spew firebolts from his fingers?

The Warp Stalker leader, I love that helmet! Great work guys.

The warp hunters look very nice, kudos to you.

Alright Chapterhouse, you win. Curse my lack of restraint. The Warp Stalker Manshees have been ordered.

Not news but just wanted to share my initial review of one of CHS vehicle kits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3doJ_2l2rtI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

The short of it: well casted kit but will need some de-warping on some parts.

yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, I wish Chapterhouse would find something better to do than release subpar models aimed at the 40k hobby.
I’ve noticed that because GW No longer leaves Chapterhouse codex gaps to exploit, Chapterhouse have changed their business model to full on knock offs and just ripping straight into existing codex entries?

Panic...

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, I wish Chapterhouse would find something better to do than release subpar models aimed at the 40k hobby.
I’ve noticed that because GW No longer leaves Chapterhouse codex gaps to exploit, Chapterhouse have changed their business model to full on knock offs and just ripping straight into existing codex entries?

Panic...

Is there way to de-exalt a post?

 judgedoug wrote:

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, I wish Chapterhouse would find something better to do than release subpar models aimed at the 40k hobby.
I’ve noticed that because GW No longer leaves Chapterhouse codex gaps to exploit, Chapterhouse have changed their business model to full on knock offs and just ripping straight into existing codex entries?

Panic...

Is there way to de-exalt a post?

Put the user on ignore, idk :(

Honestly I dislike the look of the Warp hunters, I think they look kind of dumb (though the pole arm is nice), there is nothing preventing a company from creating and selling futuristic space elves.

yeah,

 judgedoug wrote:
Is there way to de-exalt a post?

You can't hide the truth.

Panic...

Yellow triangle of friendship works wonders in these cases, I'm told

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful

this statement is confusing. Eldar are the elves who left Middle Earth. Eldar means "the people of the stars".

so you're saying that Chapterhouse ripped off space-elves called Eldar from Tolkien? i guess that's fair, I know of at least one other company who ripped off space-elves called Eldar from Tolkien.

No, I think he's saying that those models look awful, and I have to agree; it's pretty obvious from their weapons and the detailing on the helmets that they're meant to be Banshee stand-ins, and as such they miss the mark by a fair degree.

I have no objection to Banshees being represented by obviously male figures, but they still need to have a certain lithness and grace that is lacking in these; too static and too blocky and the dog-faced helmets just don't work imo

Please CH hurry up with a better centurion! Do the devastator one first, no ones running the assault variant in a serious list.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, I wish Chapterhouse would find something better to do than release subpar models aimed at the 40k hobby.
I’ve noticed that because GW No longer leaves Chapterhouse codex gaps to exploit, Chapterhouse have changed their business model to full on knock offs and just ripping straight into existing codex entries?

Panic...

What exactly is it you don't like about them? And you do know that these were designed and sculpted up before the GW lawsuit, right?

And Chapterhouse, I would love to see some more alternative space elves. Some mantis themed Striking Scorpions, Wasp themed Warp Spiders, and maybe a unit based on tigers would all be really cool to see.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, Panic...

Honestly, and I'm sure this is no surprise, but I agree (I actually liked the female not-Farseer and Scorpion that they can no longer sell). I actually didn't know what they were supposed to be because, you know, nothing says "male banshee model" like a dude with a bear/lion/panther helmet.... I realize that's an aesthetic choice, so I also find that the proportions of the head to the body seem to be a bit off. I mean, they look like they've got some big head syndrome going on. Dude's hands and weapon also seem kinda gigantic as well....

Also, I don't think you need to triangle Panic simply for disagreeing with you..... that's kinda lame.

From the comments on this page I was expecting much worse from those sculpts. They look decent enough to me, not my cup of tea aesthetically, but there's nothing overly wrong with them imo.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, Panic...

Honestly, and I'm sure this is no surprise, but I agree (I actually liked the female not-Farseer and Scorpion that they can no longer sell). I actually didn't know what they were supposed to be because, you know, nothing says "male banshee model" like a dude with a bear/lion/panther helmet.... I realize that's an aesthetic choice, so I also find that the proportions of the head to the body seem to be a bit off. I mean, they look like they've got some big head syndrome going on. Dude's hands and weapon also seem kinda gigantic as well....

Also, I don't think you need to triangle Panic simply for disagreeing with you..... that's kinda lame.

I agree that they didn't jump out as 'male banshee models', I was talking with Cyporiean last night about them, and we were like, "are those banshees, I don't think they are, I don't remember Banshees having a polearm." etc... So I looked up the banshees and there is one holding a polearm. And much like you, I liked the female Doomseer.

I'm not sure why every discussion of a Chapterhouse product has to involve an indictment of the company.

Multiple companies have already been working on bulky armored models with integral missiles and drill/saw/claw hands. Hell, one such model is already on the market and Puppetswar has a 3D render done up. There is a serious double standard going on, obviously due to the fact that Chapterhouse was sued by Games Workshop. But Chapterhouse prevailed on over 70% of the asserted claims and is allowed to remain in business doing what it does.

You like the models, fine. You don't like the models, fine. You think the dog heads are stupid, great. You think the arms look funny, I agree with you. But treating everything Chapterhouse does as wrong just because Games Workshop filed a lawsuit is hypocritical nonsense.

The fact is that Games Workshop makes no distinction between Chapterhouse and any of the other similar companies out there. Andy Jones testified under oath that jetbikes from 6 different companies other than Chapterhouse Studios, including Kromlech and Puppetswar, were all copies of the same Games Workshop work of art Chapterhouse's bike was accused of infringing and that they all infringed Games Workshop's alleged Jetbike trademark.

Chapterhouse's product was found to infringe neither the asserted copyright nor the asserted trademark. So not only are you applying a double standard that Games Workshop itself does not adhere to, but Games Workshop utterly failed to prove that what these companies are doing is in any way inherently wrong.

So why not stick to the merits of the specific product and leave the hypocritical nonsense to Games Workshop. Lord knows Games Workshop brought enough of that to share with the whole class.

They don't fit any army I have or will have but I think they are pretty neat. I really don't see any real objective issues with the sculpts themselves. The leaders hands seem a bit large but that is really all I see.

The rest is just down to personal taste. I have seen worse sculpts (technically) receive high praise on these boards. The miniature crowd can't be tied down or pigeonholed. No sculpt will ever please everyone.


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weeble1000 wrote:
I'm not sure why every discussion of a Chapterhouse product has to involve an indictment of the company.

Multiple companies have already been working on bulky armored models with integral missiles and drill/saw/claw hands. Hell, one such model is already on the market and Puppetswar has a 3D render done up. There is a serious double standard going on, obviously due to the fact that Chapterhouse was sued by Games Workshop. But Chapterhouse prevailed on over 70% of the asserted claims and is allowed to remain in business doing what it does.

You like the models, fine. You don't like the models, fine. You think the dog heads are stupid, great. You think the arms look funny, I agree with you. But treating everything Chapterhouse does as wrong just because Games Workshop filed a lawsuit is hypocritical nonsense.

The fact is that Games Workshop makes no distinction between Chapterhouse and any of the other similar companies out there. Andy Jones testified under oath that jetbikes from 6 different companies other than Chapterhouse Studios, including Kromlech and Puppetswar, were all copies of the same Games Workshop work of art Chapterhouse's bike was accused of infringing and that they all infringed Games Workshop's alleged Jetbike trademark.

Chapterhouse's product was found to infringe neither the asserted copyright nor the asserted trademark. So not only are you applying a double standard that Games Workshop itself does not adhere to, but Games Workshop utterly failed to prove that what these companies are doing is in any way inherently wrong.

So why not stick to the merits of the specific product and leave the hypocritical nonsense to Games Workshop. Lord knows Games Workshop brought enough of that to share with the whole class.

Exalted.

I agree to sticking to discussing the products on their own merit. However, I think the quality is just OK on these.

I think the eldar guys look kind of cool - in-between all of the different Eldar Craftworlds, phoenix worlds and other off-shoots (pre-heresy etc.) I've always thought it a little odd that every warrior of a particular aspect looks exactly the same. This would be cool for Eldar players who want something a little different.

As for the not-centurions? Well, think we could be seeing a lot of this kind of thing. No idea at all about how good the Centurions are in terms of rules, but think the miniatures are pretty awful and ripe for 'counts as' and conversions.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, I wish Chapterhouse would find something better to do than release subpar models aimed at the 40k hobby.
I’ve noticed that because GW No longer leaves Chapterhouse codex gaps to exploit, Chapterhouse have changed their business model to full on knock offs and just ripping straight into existing codex entries?

Panic...

I'm with you
I enjoyed some of the previous CHS stuff, but this kickstarter is IMHO not up to the quality I would expect. It just oozes amateur hour, the models look like they were put together with milkshape primitives, have no surface texturing or misc details and just plain dont look like they are being done by a person who really knows their stuff, it looks like someone got a general idea of the shape they wanted, added in the particular symbol for the 40k army they are ape-ing and called it a day.

ENOUGH. --Janthkin

 Barzam wrote:

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
These Eldar wannabe models look awful, I wish Chapterhouse would find something better to do than release subpar models aimed at the 40k hobby.
I’ve noticed that because GW No longer leaves Chapterhouse codex gaps to exploit, Chapterhouse have changed their business model to full on knock offs and just ripping straight into existing codex entries?

Panic...

What exactly is it you don't like about them? And you do know that these were designed and sculpted up before the GW lawsuit, right?

And Chapterhouse, I would love to see some more alternative space elves. Some mantis themed Striking Scorpions, Wasp themed Warp Spiders, and maybe a unit based on tigers would all be really cool to see.

I also like the prospect of alternative models. But as a personal preference I prefer Eldar to not be designed after Terra's wildlife. I know that much of the naming conventions Falcon, Wasp, striking scorpion etc use the terminology but I like when the designs appear primarily alien.

Panic, you've voiced your opinions about the models and that you don't like them. That is all the input that is needed in this thread.

This thread is not here for you to bash on CHS, nor is it here for anyone else to sing their praises. If you don't like the models, then say so and move on.

If you'd like to ramble on about how much you don't like a company for X, then make a thread about it in the appropriate forum.

Side note, let's not pretend that GW hasn't released crap looking models, or that 40k can only be played with GW models.

I don't care for the lion headed things, but then I'm not the target customer for them since I don't play any army they apply to.

Well, those look better than most things Chapterhouse has put out, but by and large I agree with Panic. At least the detail is above the "Spongebob Squarepants fruit snacks" soft standard.

I actually thought the leader of the unit looked more like a lions head.

But I'm likening that more because of the color and less because of the shape.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I actually thought the leader of the unit looked more like a lions head.

But I'm likening that more because of the color and less because of the shape.

I thought it looked like a tiger, lol. Well, it is at least animal shaped.

 Panic wrote:
Which brings me Finally to the last thing I hate about Chapter house.
I'm bothered by the core chapterhouse fan base that craps on everything that GW puts out but somehow honestly praises crap like these 'warp hunters'

With their lackluster recent releases, GW and Chapterhouse deserve each other. I think I said back when the lawsuit started that it was a pity that one of them was going to win it, and I still stand by that assessment. These models are awful, with questionable proportions, ridiculous poses, topped off by a hideous color scheme halfheartedly executed, or what's known among connoisseurs as the "Mantic trifecta".

ENOUGH.

You can like the models & comment.
You can dislike the models & comment.
You can like the models and not comment.
You can dislike the models and not comment (heretical thought, I know).
You can dislike the company and avoid their threads (even more so).

What you cannot do is intentionally drag the thread off-topic by discussing things OTHER than the models.

A nice set, but it would make for a better one if it has more pouches, bedrolls, packs and other parts. If this is supposed to go towards a squad, not even close to detailing half a squad IMHO, it needs more stuff in it.

yeah,

 BrookM wrote:
but it would make for a better one if it has more pouches, bedrolls, packs and other parts.... it needs more stuff in it.

What like this one?


Panic...

weeble1000 wrote:
I'm not sure why every discussion of a Chapterhouse product has to involve an indictment of the company.

Some people are still upset the law supports CH, and can't let it go.

Anyways, I love to get my hand on just the 3 blade sword thing.

I like the Warp Stalker models, but I was expecting counts-as Warp Spiders, not Howling Banshees. Were these models sculpted before the new Eldar codex? No one takes Banshees, but Spiders are incredible.

I don't get the complaint on the price point of the IG accessory pack.

Yeah, it has about half the items of the forge world one.

It also costs less than half the cost.

 Chapterhouse wrote:

Jaffa! KREE!

Noir wrote:

weeble1000 wrote:
I'm not sure why every discussion of a Chapterhouse product has to involve an indictment of the company.

Some people are still upset the law supports CH, and can't let it go.

Anyways, I love to get my hand on just the 3 blade sword thing.

Eh.. I don't think thats always it.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not a fan of CHS. At all. But I like to pretend to believe I can give a fair assessment of their work.

I think it's obvious that there are lot of people that think CHS (almost typed Mantic. Hilarious Freudian Slip there) doesn't do anything original and makes their coin purely off GW derivatives (which is of course a bit hypocritical because GW has a lot of derivitive tropes in their holster). Which I think is ironic in this case, because I actually think the Warp Hunters, while they're IMO pretty mediocre sculpt wise, are original enough for me not to automatically scream "GW Knock off"

If they did some alternative weapon packs, that would certainly pique my interest more than these guys.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,

 BrookM wrote:
but it would make for a better one if it has more pouches, bedrolls, packs and other parts.... it needs more stuff in it.

What like this one?


Panic...

No...

Not like that one, that one doesn't have any backpacks.

BrookM!!!

 streamdragon wrote:
Jaffa! KREE!

My thoughts exactly! A squad of serpent guard with staff weapons or Zats would be frikkin' iconic. It would go great with the SG-1 team that Hasslefree is putting together.

Loving the new stuff.

Is there any chance we will see some different types of Space Drones? Seem to be lacking the ones that light things up