This was not my original idea for a topic, but found this same thread on warseer.com

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?377491-What-disturbs-you-in-the-40k-background

It starts off good but towards the end starts to lose focus so I hope here it can generate other opinions. For me, the most disturbing thing in 40k is the cloned test-slaves that are made for space marines organs. Living for 50 years, aware of everything but cant move or talk, only to have organs removed from you then thrown away probably. Not an expert on 40k background so i am interested to here what other people find disturbing. But as I read some of the opinions in this thread I thought it might be interesting here. If this has already been asked before then I apologize

Pretty sure anything in the Dark Eldar lore trumps that.

The whole DE torture and soul-siphoning is horrific D:

That SM always get to win.

Phyrric victory sometimes, but with all the threats out there ...

Or the grey knights shooting down an entire civilian fleet with hundreds of thousands of people on them to, hopefully, kill the Changeling

The sheer inhuman lunacy of the administratum and the inquisition takes the cake.

A chaos warband could save so much effort by just scheduling brief mutated or demonic appearances and a with media spectacle in each system they are interested in.
Getting their panties in a twist, the inquisition would then promptly go all WTF! EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE, like the one dimensional lunatics they are.

The above is even second to blindly without a second of cogitation following orders of the line-officer, high-muppet or whatever, since that person could never ever be wrong or malicious.

 Dantioch wrote:
Or the grey knights shooting down an entire civilian fleet with hundreds of thousands of people on them to, hopefully, kill the Changeling

Who they know damn well can teleport, and even if you kill his physical body in the materium it doesn't hurt him a bit..

Those silly silver psychos

The Inquisition and the Dark Eldar. The two most disturbing "entities" in 40k. But there's a host of disturbing events... to name a few:

1. IoM virus bombing the Kroot worlds during the GC.
2. Istvaan III and V
3. Purging whole populations just for maybe knowing about Chaos.

Chaos.. How it is steadily taking over the imperium of man... I just finished reading the first heretic... Not realy reassuring if 40k were ever to come true :p. That would mean every soul that dies goes to the warp for eternal torment :p. Or the fact that some daemon can enter your body, mature, and the melt with your body/mind and take over if it wishes....

That award goes to Dark Eldar for their somewhat unsetteling style of keeping alive, but honorable mentiones goes to the Adeptus Mechanicus, The Inqustion and Death Guard

The Tyrant Star.

We don't know what it is, how it works, where it'll next appear, or when it'll next appear.

But we know what it does. With little warning, a ghostly star apparently emitting black flames and esoteric, unknown forms of radiation, spontaneously materialises in a planetary system, often appearing to posses the local star, shines malevolently for a few days, and then, just as mysteriously, vanishes without trace.

The visitation is accompanied by psychic disturbance, geological upheaval, increased mutation and sociological problems on inhabited worlds, including mass rioting and unrest.

It has flummoxed every theory and remains a terrifying enigma.

 CadianXV wrote:
The Tyrant Star.

We don't know what it is, how it works, where it'll next appear, or when it'll next appear.

But we know what it does. With little warning, a ghostly star apparently emitting black flames and esoteric, unknown forms of radiation, spontaneously materialises in a planetary system, often appearing to posses the local star, shines malevolently for a few days, and then, just as mysteriously, vanishes without trace.

The visitation is accompanied by psychic disturbance, geological upheaval, increased mutation and sociological problems on inhabited worlds, including mass rioting and unrest.

It has flummoxed every theory and remains a terrifying enigma.

It's obviously the angry ghost of an Old One telling the new kids on the block they're doing it wrong.

What disturbs me the most about 40k lore is when people take it too seriously and miss the inherent satire. This includes some of the writers, unfortunately.

Wow thanks for the responses. I have to agree with most of the votes for Dark Eldar. Reminds of "Event Horizen" or the mutated monsters from "Serenity". Truly depraved stuff!

Grey Knights also bother me because of the "kill everything and mind wipe (if lucky) the rest" business model.

Nurgle and his followers also creep me out due to the fact they all seem "happy" and "love Nurgle like a father." Truly horrifying to think a small disease filled goblin infecting you while at the same time smiling and laughing about it!

This is a tough one. Everything is disturbing, when you think about it.

But for me, it's what has become of humanity. Sure, chaos and xenos do worse stuff than the IoM. But xenos are, well, aliens. Chaos is deamons and e ven the mortal servants of the dark gods pretty much give away their humanity membership card when they dedicade themself.

But the Imperium is humans. People like us, in the end. They take adolescents and turn them into psychotic super soldiers. At time entire populations are eradicated, just to be sure. Not to forget the treatment of psykers. Daily millions of confused children, scared teens, outcasts and old men and women who had a life of hardship are abducted, incarcarated on black ships and transported to Terra, where horrible turtorous trials await, at the end of which most are sacrificed by having their soul ripped from their bodies to feed the Astronomicon and their god. I could go on all day, at least.

There is no humanism in the IoM and no human rights. Not even as theory. Free will, individuality, personal ambitions aren't even allowed for most humans. The widely spread official idea of a Morality is made up of back breaking and mind numbing service, paranoia, xenophobia and hate.

WH40k paints a humanity that is in every sense of the word utterly inhuman. And just to make it worse is completely justified in being like that.

I personaly can think of no thought more disturbing than that. That is cosmic horror at its best (worst).

Thankfully there's also a lot of dark humor and silly over-the-top fun, if you're willing to see it. This makes WH40k morbidly fascinating fun, instead of soul crushing horror.

The Void Dragon is one of my top contenders because of how insidious it is. Despite being forever imprisoned on Mars it continues to drain the souls of uncounted billions, literally anyone connected to the Mechanicus is actually being slowly consumed. The Void Dragon also supposedly is where the POTMS comes from. (In the lore basically every vehicle , device, or weapon has a Machine Spirit, not just Land Raiders)

The Inquisition and all that they do.

 Talore wrote:
What disturbs me the most about 40k lore is when people take it too seriously and miss the inherent satire. This includes some of the writers, unfortunately.

Agree, and may I add "fanboy haters" too... It would be a lot nicer if people were more relaxed when dealing with the setting....

Who shielded the Tau behind a millennia-long mega-warp storm, hyper-accelerated their evolution and technological capacities, and put them under (almost absolute) the gene-engineered command of the (suddenly appearing) Ethereals? Who? And Why?

Idle Hands wrote:
This is a tough one. Everything is disturbing, when you think about it.

But for me, it's what has become of humanity. Sure, chaos and xenos do worse stuff than the IoM. But xenos are, well, aliens. Chaos is deamons and e ven the mortal servants of the dark gods pretty much give away their humanity membership card when they dedicade themself.

But the Imperium is humans. People like us, in the end. They take adolescents and turn them into psychotic super soldiers. At time entire populations are eradicated, just to be sure. Not to forget the treatment of psykers. Daily millions of confused children, scared teens, outcasts and old men and women who had a life of hardship are abducted, incarcarated on black ships and transported to Terra, where horrible turtorous trials await, at the end of which most are sacrificed by having their soul ripped from their bodies to feed the Astronomicon and their god. I could go on all day, at least.

There is no humanism in the IoM and no human rights. Not even as theory. Free will, individuality, personal ambitions aren't even allowed for most humans. The widely spread official idea of a Morality is made up of back breaking and mind numbing service, paranoia, xenophobia and hate.

WH40k paints a humanity that is in every sense of the word utterly inhuman. And just to make it worse is completely justified in being like that.

I personaly can think of no thought more disturbing than that. That is cosmic horror at its best (worst).

Thankfully there's also a lot of dark humor and silly over-the-top fun, if you're willing to see it. This makes WH40k morbidly fascinating fun, instead of soul crushing horror.

Hit the nail on head with that one. Even when the Big E was around, he acted in-human to everyone and everything. What really scares me is how "realistic" the future can seem. I have always thought the universe would weep the day humans could travel to other stars. Come on, we would invade, kill who we want, justify with religion or politics, take anything of value, enslave or eradicate the survivors, and then thank God/Emperor. We have always done that, so maybe the most depressing thing about 40k is nothing has changed, except the weapons and enemies we face. Besides I think it's every gun-loving person's wet-dream to find a new alien species we can kill and conquer.

Musselman wrote:

Idle Hands wrote:
This is a tough one. Everything is disturbing, when you think about it.

But for me, it's what has become of humanity. Sure, chaos and xenos do worse stuff than the IoM. But xenos are, well, aliens. Chaos is deamons and e ven the mortal servants of the dark gods pretty much give away their humanity membership card when they dedicade themself.

But the Imperium is humans. People like us, in the end. They take adolescents and turn them into psychotic super soldiers. At time entire populations are eradicated, just to be sure. Not to forget the treatment of psykers. Daily millions of confused children, scared teens, outcasts and old men and women who had a life of hardship are abducted, incarcarated on black ships and transported to Terra, where horrible turtorous trials await, at the end of which most are sacrificed by having their soul ripped from their bodies to feed the Astronomicon and their god. I could go on all day, at least.

There is no humanism in the IoM and no human rights. Not even as theory. Free will, individuality, personal ambitions aren't even allowed for most humans. The widely spread official idea of a Morality is made up of back breaking and mind numbing service, paranoia, xenophobia and hate.

WH40k paints a humanity that is in every sense of the word utterly inhuman. And just to make it worse is completely justified in being like that.

I personaly can think of no thought more disturbing than that. That is cosmic horror at its best (worst).

Thankfully there's also a lot of dark humor and silly over-the-top fun, if you're willing to see it. This makes WH40k morbidly fascinating fun, instead of soul crushing horror.

Hit the nail on head with that one. Even when the Big E was around, he acted in-human to everyone and everything. What really scares me is how "realistic" the future can seem. I have always thought the universe would weep the day humans could travel to other stars. Come on, we would invade, kill who we want, justify with religion or politics, take anything of value, enslave or eradicate the survivors, and then thank God/Emperor. We have always done that, so maybe the most depressing thing about 40k is nothing has changed, except the weapons and enemies we face. Besides I think it's every gun-loving person's wet-dream to find a new alien species we can kill and conquer.

This and the fact that the Tau seem to be the most human race, more so than well humans.

Nothing compares to DE, it makes my skin crawl.

 Traejun wrote:
The Inquisition and the Dark Eldar. The two most disturbing "entities" in 40k. But there's a host of disturbing events... to name a few:

1. IoM virus bombing the Kroot worlds during the GC.
2. Istvaan III and V
3. Purging whole populations just for maybe knowing about Chaos.

Can I get a link on #1?
I would like to read about that.

 kinratha wrote:

 Traejun wrote:
The Inquisition and the Dark Eldar. The two most disturbing "entities" in 40k. But there's a host of disturbing events... to name a few:

1. IoM virus bombing the Kroot worlds during the GC.
2. Istvaan III and V
3. Purging whole populations just for maybe knowing about Chaos.

Can I get a link on #1?
I would like to read about that.

Agreed that does seem like an interesting read

I say Honsou takes the cake for the most disturbing/Evilest thing in the 40k universe.

he created the Daemonculaba which does the following:

The Daemonculaba process was a means by which to produce new Chaos Space Marines entailing a shocking myriad of cruelties including, among other things, skinning people alive and forcibly impregnating women via reverse c-sections with said skinned people.

 Ninjacommando wrote:
I say Honsou takes the cake for the Evilest thing in the 40k universe.

he created the Daemonculaba which does the following:

The Daemonculaba process was a means by which to produce new Chaos Space Marines entailing a shocking myriad of cruelties including, among other things, skinning people alive and forcibly impregnating women via reverse c-sections with said skinned people.

Yeah that was very disturbing. Though to me the 40k universe as others have said humans are the really disturbing ones. The DE at least have a very good reason (good as in they have a real need to) slaanesh. Humans seem to do cruel things just cause they can. inquisition anyone

Being an Imperial Guards man>

Talos and those night lords. Because they showed honor, humanity, fear, and then did horrendous things without even a shred of that honor. The fact that they were so easy to relate with until those points and even afterwards, made them feel more at a loss for control than a berserker.

When it comes to 40k I simply turn my conscience off, it makes things easier, and more enjoyable.

Matt ward fluff.

 phatonic wrote:
Matt ward fluff.

What a surprising comment.

the fact that humanity is on its last legs....

GA

First place goes to the Inquisition for Exterminatus, because silencing a planet is really creepy when you think about it..

Second place goes to the Haemonculi covens.. Flesh crafting is a very creepy topic to go by..

I believe in terms of living out ones favorite sci-fi setting 40k firmly sits in the "Nope, I'm good" catigory. It is a really sucky place to live.

Servitors.So creepy and disgusting.What the hell Imperium?If your not dead you can't chill out with empy forever.

Imperial Deceit wrote:
The Void Dragon is one of my top contenders because of how insidious it is. Despite being forever imprisoned on Mars it continues to drain the souls of uncounted billions, literally anyone connected to the Mechanicus is actually being slowly consumed. The Void Dragon also supposedly is where the POTMS comes from. (In the lore basically every vehicle , device, or weapon has a Machine Spirit, not just Land Raiders)

That's a colossal crock, where the heck are you getting all this from?

Did you never read Mechanicus?

Imperial Deceit wrote:
Did you never read Mechanicus?

I read everything even remotely related to my favourite faction, and nowhere does it state that the Void Dragon is draining the souls of uncounted billions, that everyone remotely connected to the Mechanicus is being slowly consumed, or that the Void Dragon is the animating force behind Machine Spirits. Mechanicus is purposefully vague and lacking in specifics on what precisely the entity is, it is meant to suggest and pose "what if?" questions, not form the basis for absolute factual statements like your post.

Within the Dark Eldar, the Haemonculi and their minions. I think that many of the wracks volunteer to become transformed is a little disturbing.

What the Inquisition does is necessary. And while since the passing of the Sigillite they have become fractured and certainly have some overzealous members, they're nothing compared to the witch hunters of the Ecclesiarchy.

Daemonculaba was pretty gross. So was Kurze skinning children alive on global vox/pict feeds to deter jaywalking among the population.

I'll have to agree with the ones siding with the IoM, it is truly disturbing in its vastness and inhumanity. It takes away the freedome of a whole planet's population to make warmachines and soldiers and destroys entire planets either in war, to punish a few of the inhabitants or simply by living on it. It has had 38 000 years to evolve from now and in many cases it's worse of then we are now. That is truly scary.

The DE are also scary but they are xenos and to try to fathom what goes on in their minds is impossible. And due to their culture they are sruck in the situation they are in, their craftworld kin and exodites does probably not want to have them every DE move there and without spirit stones the only way to avoid she who thirsts is not to die. An art that they have perfected.

Have you ever read Angel Exterminatus? Basically it starts out with Fulgrim telling a rape joke and it just gets worse from there...

Thatguyoverthere11 wrote:
Have you ever read Angel Exterminatus? Basically it starts out with Fulgrim telling a rape joke and it just gets worse from there...

Can we see a quote?

Anougher thing that disturbs me greatly about 40k backround is the sheer inneffecicy of the Imperium. Mankind would probally rule the stars unchallenged if they could get there act together and become more efficient. For example the size of their capital ships are ridiculasly huge and expensive in both resouces and manpower. If they went with smaller more manuverable capital ships they could build more faster. Also they need to figure out how to use long range communication reliably that does not rely on the warp same with travel. But that would require an envirement that would welcome innovation and not stagnation.

 starraptor wrote:
Anougher thing that disturbs me greatly about 40k backround is the sheer inneffecicy of the Imperium. Mankind would probally rule the stars unchallenged if they could get there act together and become more efficient. For example the size of their capital ships are ridiculasly huge and expensive in both resouces and manpower. If they went with smaller more manuverable capital ships they could build more faster. Also they need to figure out how to use long range communication reliably that does not rely on the warp same with travel. But that would require an envirement that would welcome innovation and not stagnation.

Well, it is almost impossible to the IoM to do most of those things, specially FTL communications and travel. As for smaller ships, they already have things like that in the form of escort ships, and they are incapable of fighting bigger ships by themselves.

Probably the Chaos gods. Immensely powerful, lovecraftian emotion gods out to corrupt the galaxy to their own twisted, self-destructive mindset. It's disturbing how lot of basic emotions, such as anger or hope, feed them. And how any mortal who joins them is eventually going to be overloaded by their patron god's schtick, becoming constantly restless beserkers, rampant hedonists dulled to all but the greatest excesses, obessive schemers probably destined to die in the scheme of another schemer or a virulently decaying bag of disease. Bar gaining a given god's favour, it really seems like there's no good end for a person when dealing with them.

And ultimately, there is no easy way to destroy them. Certainly not with the relatively conventional methods the Imperium is currently using.

What disturbs me most about 40k? Is this anything near an accurate representation of what humanity will become? Who knows. If so the horrible truth is that we are better extinct.


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On a less serious note. Their stupidity! I mean come on! Why send it thousands of imperial guardsmen and titans when you can just send in a single space marine, not even a captain...in fact hell just send in Draigo. Don't worry. He will win...

I would have to say the harlequin's kiss. I mean, there's a lot of horrible stuff, and a lot of 'big picture' things, but man, what a way to go.

I dunno, I have never been legitimately grossed out by 40k.

One moment that I did find shocking (Albeit in a way that just made me laugh uncontrollably) was in The Mirror Crack'd, where Fulgrim is being tortured by the highest ranking members of his legion. One jams a device into his fething penis, and the spike basically opens up like a sort of umbrella, and he manipulates it painfully, which makes Fulgrim practically orgasm several times, and then, when Fulgrim decides to break free of his restraints, he grabs the device, and rips his own pecker off, before shuddering, and saying that he was beginning to enjoy that.

 phatonic wrote:
Matt ward fluff.

Yeah, the misogyny and battle sister snuff porn aspects of it are pretty disturbing.

Fulgrim's robes getting blasted off his body by the force of a blastmaster cannon. Picturing a 10+ foot tall ripped body builder looking dude with long snow-whiet hair running around punching people's faces into mush while wearing nothing but a loin-cloth is pretty homo-erotically amazing.

What is creepy is how I need a flow chart to figure out the apparent "worth" of a person in that universe.

Imperium
- Emperor - needs about 1000 psykers to keep him alive but they are the "future" of humanity.
- Astronomicon choir member - like batteries, burn em out and replace as needed.
- Strong psycher - Potential Inquisition member or #1 threat or if not evaluated: lunch for prior mentioned emperor.
- Person exposed to demon: death, if in huge numbers like Armageddon: put into labor camps until dead.
- Space Marine exposed to demons: If "used to it" who work with Inquisition: carry on, if not,: mind wipe.
- Imperial guard exposed to demons: killed normally, mind wipe has been used but rare.
- A common theme for space marines and mechanicus: if a person fails in their recruitment, you are used as raw material for servitors.
- If you are a marine too important to lose, you can be put in a semi-dead state in a dreadnaught.
-Penal legion- you are meat for the machine and try to find forgiveness in death, exploding collars are also a cool trinket.
-Commissar: Main job is to ensure that those who are in command perform in an exemplary and unwavering fashion or BLAM! now commissar is in charge. If those in a squad try to run, execute one of them every single time.
- In summary, a quote from an Inquisitor on exterminatus: "Some may question your right to destroy ten billion people. Those who understand realise that you have no right to let them live!"

Eldar
- Better to kill thousands of humans to save one eldar.

Dark Eldar
- Better to allow the human to feel a thousand deaths than allow it's death (and not even then).
- When the mind is broken (playtime/feeding over), then then they get to play with the flesh.
- If you concentrate a specific essence of millions of humans, you get something equivalent of a middling vintage wine in DE tastes.

Orks
-Great to kill umi, better if it fights!

Tyranids
- Food.

Necrons
- [old] good for making new necrons or flaying alive!, [new] good for flaying alive!, side note: Good to wear outer skin like a meat suit.

Tau
- Join us, the cool-aid is good, we accept all (warm bodies for the greater good!) Oh, you refused, ummm, ok, we will send in our beta negotiating team, maybe they will convince you (to die).

Demons
- Khorn; MOAHR skulls for the throne! (add one more to the pile)
- Nurgle: An uninfected body to play with? GLORIOUS! (each person is appreciated, to death)
-Slanesh: Let us see if we can get it to beg for us to go too far for it to live (plaything).
- Tzenitch: If I include it in a bit part of about 230 of my schemes with a final central ending resulting in betrayal and death, that would be pleasing (overused chess piece).

Chaos
- Slaves are always appreciated, cannot expect the masters of the future to do all the work...
- They make great raw material for experiments or some new elixir.
- Sometimes when you really want your god's attention in a hurry, sacrificing a few hundred thousand does the trick.

Think that summarizes the attitude: Life is cheap but at least it has some worth...

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Fulgrim's robes getting blasted off his body by the force of a blastmaster cannon. Picturing a 10+ foot tall ripped body builder looking dude with long snow-whiet hair running around punching people's faces into mush while wearing nothing but a loin-cloth is pretty homo-erotically amazing.

Or how about Magnus the Red getting a sponge bath from his legion. A 17 foot tall bronze-skinned demigod having his bulging thighs and rippling pectorals lathered gently and lovingly by seven foot tall supermen while Magnus wears nothing but, you guessed it, a loincloth.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Fulgrim's robes getting blasted off his body by the force of a blastmaster cannon. Picturing a 10+ foot tall ripped body builder looking dude with long snow-whiet hair running around punching people's faces into mush while wearing nothing but a loin-cloth is pretty homo-erotically amazing.

Or how about Magnus the Red getting a sponge bath from his legion. A 17 foot tall bronze-skinned demigod having his bulging thighs and rippling pectorals lathered gently and lovingly by seven foot tall supermen while Magnus wears nothing but, you guessed it, a loincloth.

Haha, I am re-reading The Primarchs right now and I have forgotten the level of depravity those stories have in them. But Fulgrim easily takes the cake as creep of the universe. I can't help but imagine the Pharaoh-god from Stargate. Makes your skin crawl, hahaa.

Please tell me that bit about Magnus the Red is a joke? Please?

No, all of what I said happened in A Thousand Sons. I just may or may not be leaving out some context, lol.

It's amazing he didn't ask Ahriman to plait his hair for him.

Ahriman was busy sitting on his face.

Magnus and his favorites.

I think I am more disturbed by the reactions of the fanbase... as you were... backing away making no eye contact...

 Omegus wrote:
Ahriman was busy sitting on his face.

Magnus and his favorites.

Hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!

So much of what I'm currently reading in Ahriman In Exile now makes perfect sense ...

When I think better - ecclesiacrhy maybe ??? I mean ecclesiarchy/imperial cult are condeming IoM to a slow death, that is certain.....

Some on this forum will say "Oooo but faith keeps them going, yadayadayada, they needed that to survive after heresy",

I say nay - they are killing more people than the beloved "I" and IoM is back in the dark ages.....

Also their founder is a triple heretic and arch traitor called Lorgar "Urizen" Aurelian....

*now I will duck for cover*

The most disturbing:
41st millennium and humanity is STILL a superstitious race, blinded by its own xenophobia.

You'd think that after a few more thousand years, we'd have given up relying on invisible sky friends and moved on. You'd be wrong, though.

 chromedog wrote:
The most disturbing:
41st millennium and humanity is STILL a superstitious race, blinded by its own xenophobia.

You'd think that after a few more thousand years, we'd have given up relying on invisible sky friends and moved on. You'd be wrong, though.

But now the other guys have invisible sky friends. Except theirs can come down as a great green foot and stomp on you.

The new Tau. Holy feth do I loathe Overwatch.

The Tyranids bio-fleets.

Think about it: an intelligent, ferocious and efficient super-organism composed of countless horrifying creatures mauling, lacerating, devouring and consuming everything on their way.
Imagine the terror of the Adeptus Mechanicus researchers on Tyran (the first imperial world to fall in front of the Great Devourer) who watched their formidable planet defenses being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of the enemy: a soulless horde of alien beasts, every one of which is just an expendable pawn.
You can't negotiate with them: you can only resist or be assimilated. The survival of the fittest at its best.
That's why Tyranids are by far the most disturbing creatures of the WH40k universe.

 chromedog wrote:
The most disturbing:
41st millennium and humanity is STILL a superstitious race, blinded by its own xenophobia.

In a galaxy full of different species the vast majority of people would stick with their own.

You'd think that after a few more thousand years, we'd have given up relying on invisible sky friends and moved on. You'd be wrong, though.

How respectful. What do you mean by that anyway? All of the gods believed in in 40K are real (bar potentially the Machine God but that may well be a matter of interpretation).

In a grimdark universe it's hard to get more grim or dark than the DE. Whatever horrible thing you can think of, the DE do it... even to each other.

Daemonculaba

That thing is just disturbing.

 chromedog wrote:
The most disturbing:
41st millennium and humanity is STILL a superstitious race, blinded by its own xenophobia.

You'd think that after a few more thousand years, we'd have given up relying on invisible sky friends and moved on. You'd be wrong, though.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to imply here, given that a lot of those sky gods are REAL in the 40k universe. At the very least, the chaos gods definitely are, Gork and Mork probably are, and the Emperor has at least a decent chance of being one given how often miracles seem to manifest and things like Legion of the Damned or Saint Celestine going around.

Dark eldar get the prize for most awesome and when i say awesome i mean horrific lol.

In tales of Heresy when Lorgar had an entire planet of innocents who had accepted joining the imperium wiped out just because he could. That wasn't very friendly.

Dark Eldar and their torture is something that sends chills down my spine.

Imagine being tortured for decades with such agony you cannot even imagine while sitting in your warm home.

The players who draw real-world analogies into out of context sermons about how backwards and acharaic any kind of thinking is that doesn't fall in their anti-religion hate propaganda.

Whew, that was a mouthful. Anyway... that. I hate that people can't leave real life out of 40k and let it be a fantasy. Drop your preconceptions are the door and play a fictional game. get over it?

 En Excelsis wrote:
The players who draw real-hedonisticworld analogies into out of context sermons about how backwards and acharaic any kind of thinking is that doesn't fall in their anti-religion hate propaganda.

Whew, that was a mouthful. Anyway... that. I hate that people can't leave real life out of 40k and let it be a fantasy. Drop your preconceptions are the door and play a fictional game. get over it?

You butthurt bro?

As to OP's question. Have to go with DE. While currently their doing all the depravity to survive. They started doing it back in the day because they were bored. In a society that had fallen into hedonistic cults, that included murder cults, their ancestors were forced to build their own city to get away with their nonsense. They're damned monsters.

Probably the hygiene of Space Marines.

You never hear about them taking off their armour...imagine the eons of sweat built up in those things...eeugh

The Tau.

Except Farsight and the Farsight Enclaves. They're cool.

 DrSchwartz wrote:
Probably the hygiene of Space Marines.

You never hear about them taking off their armour...imagine the eons of sweat built up in those things...eeugh

I believe the armour canonically contains waste recycling. Which includes absorbing off the sweat and filtering it etc. It is indeed possible (and in fact true that) some marines pretty much NEVER take off their armour, but they aren't really dirty inside cause the armour itself is constantly cleaning that.

At least, If my memory is correct. It's possible it only canonically has a built in toilet function.

The most disturbing thing would be servitor-dom. Not only are the ''good guys'' the worst slavers in the galaxy, they top it up with horrifying surgeries that leaves you a lobotomised tool. And the general population is cool with it.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
The most disturbing thing would be servitor-dom. Not only are the ''good guys'' the worst slavers in the galaxy, they top it up with horrifying surgeries that leaves you a lobotomised tool. And the general population is cool with it.

Still nothing compared with the DE or Chaos.

 DrSchwartz wrote:
Probably the hygiene of Space Marines.

You never hear about them taking off their armour...imagine the eons of sweat built up in those things...eeugh

Don't worry they do. There are plenty of instances in the novels where they walk around in tunics and stuff, Though, they will operate for great lengths of time without taking it of if needed.

I don't like thinking about what chaos could do with the internet.

 Omegus wrote:
What the Inquisition does is necessary. And while since the passing of the Sigillite they have become fractured and certainly have some overzealous members, they're nothing compared to the witch hunters of the Ecclesiarchy.

Daemonculaba was pretty gross. So was Kurze skinning children alive on global vox/pict feeds to deter jaywalking among the population.

I know about the Daemonculaba but where is this bit about Kurze from?

 sing your life wrote:
I don't like thinking about what chaos could do with the internet.

Didn't you know? Chaos is the internet. It grew so powerful that it became it's own dimension.

The cold hearted cruelty of survivors and the fact the they are so common place that no one even considers they are human beings.
I always liked the idea that the Space Wolves went to war against the inquisition and grey knights for eliminating civilian populations but they themselves make use of servitors and think nothing of it.

Mad Doc Grotsnik, and his Exploding Head Dance!

Dark Eldar torture, not ever explicitly detailed but very disturbing.
Keeping someone alive for years via torture is pretty horrific imho.

 Zaqqaz wrote:
The Tyranids bio-fleets.

Think about it: an intelligent, ferocious and efficient super-organism composed of countless horrifying creatures mauling, lacerating, devouring and consuming everything on their way.
Imagine the terror of the Adeptus Mechanicus researchers on Tyran (the first imperial world to fall in front of the Great Devourer) who watched their formidable planet defenses being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of the enemy: a soulless horde of alien beasts, every one of which is just an expendable pawn.
You can't negotiate with them: you can only resist or be assimilated. The survival of the fittest at its best.
That's why Tyranids are by far the most disturbing creatures of the WH40k universe.

I do think you have a good point,...

but i loathe a Daemon who corrupts, twists your mind and changes your shape slowly from the inside more!

 En Excelsis wrote:
The players who draw real-world analogies into out of context sermons about how backwards and acharaic any kind of thinking is that doesn't fall in their anti-religion hate propaganda.

Whew, that was a mouthful. Anyway... that. I hate that people can't leave real life out of 40k and let it be a fantasy. Drop your preconceptions are the door and play a fictional game. get over it?

Think about it: an intelligent, ferocious and efficient super-organism composed of countless horrifying creatures mauling, lacerating, devouring and consuming everything on their way.
Imagine the terror of the Adeptus Mechanicus researchers on Tyran (the first imperial world to fall in front of the Great Devourer) who watched their formidable planet defenses being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of the enemy: a soulless horde of alien beasts, every one of which is just an expendable pawn.
You can't negotiate with them: you can only resist or be assimilated. The survival of the fittest at its best.
That's why Tyranids are by far the most disturbing creatures of the WH40k universe.

Thats absolutely brilliant mate, pure 2nd edition fluff writing. Kudos

 Ratius wrote:
Dark Eldar torture, not ever explicitly detailed but very disturbing.
Keeping someone alive for years via torture is pretty horrific imho.

if you are ever killed by a Keeper of Secrets your soul is tormented till the end of time in slanneshs realm.

 Zaqqaz wrote:
The Tyranids bio-fleets.

Think about it: an intelligent, ferocious and efficient super-organism composed of countless horrifying creatures mauling, lacerating, devouring and consuming everything on their way.
Imagine the terror of the Adeptus Mechanicus researchers on Tyran (the first imperial world to fall in front of the Great Devourer) who watched their formidable planet defenses being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of the enemy: a soulless horde of alien beasts, every one of which is just an expendable pawn.
You can't negotiate with them: you can only resist or be assimilated. The survival of the fittest at its best.
That's why Tyranids are by far the most disturbing creatures of the WH40k universe.

I find myself in the weird position that the Nids is the faction I like the most.
For all the races, they are the most united, with no infighting and under one overwhelming will, with a coordination that put even the Astartes to shame.
Also they are one of the few races that are continuously evolving.

In some way the Hive Mind is the antithesis to the Chaos. While the Chaos is, well chaos and disorder, the Hive Mind is order (and hunger ).

TiamatRoar wrote:

 DrSchwartz wrote:
Probably the hygiene of Space Marines.

You never hear about them taking off their armour...imagine the eons of sweat built up in those things...eeugh

I believe the armour canonically contains waste recycling. Which includes absorbing off the sweat and filtering it etc. It is indeed possible (and in fact true that) some marines pretty much NEVER take off their armour, but they aren't really dirty inside cause the armour itself is constantly cleaning that.

At least, If my memory is correct. It's possible it only canonically has a built in toilet function.

A toilet function?? Well it's good to know that there is a hygiene function but a toilet function?!? How often do you hear in canon a Space Marine eat or drink (excluding Space Wolves). I know they have a feasting hall in their Fortress Monasteries but, their battles go on for ages and they're 7 foot tall monsters with tons of muscle...they should theoretically be eating as much as an elephant. So I think a toilet function is fairly obsolete!!

Maybe they just have a flap at the back of their armour - saves a whole lot of time and cleaning product!

if you are ever killed by a Keeper of Secrets your soul is tormented till the end of time in slanneshs realm.

Ok, that wins

I've never liked the thought of being on a planet getting virus bombed... but even more disturbing would be managing to kill Lucius the Eternal, and then waking up with scars...

The idea that mankind has to become this all consuming war machine, the line "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war" sums it up. Teetering on the brink, from external threats such as Tyranids, and internal threats such as corruption by Chaos. It's the sense of hopelessness I think.

 rohansoldier wrote:

 Omegus wrote:
What the Inquisition does is necessary. And while since the passing of the Sigillite they have become fractured and certainly have some overzealous members, they're nothing compared to the witch hunters of the Ecclesiarchy.

Daemonculaba was pretty gross. So was Kurze skinning children alive on global vox/pict feeds to deter jaywalking among the population.

I know about the Daemonculaba but where is this bit about Kurze from?

Throne of Lies, where Sevatar basically calls out Kurze's philosophy as a bunch of bs.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
The most disturbing thing would be servitor-dom. Not only are the ''good guys'' the worst slavers in the galaxy, they top it up with horrifying surgeries that leaves you a lobotomised tool. And the general population is cool with it.

Well humanity did try plain old robot servants once but that ended pretty horrifically. The moral of the story is that robots are evil, the unkillable space Egyptian kind doubly so.

How the grey knights have their gear sanctified, sacrificing of innocents and burning of psykers with weak/useless abilities on the black ships to bless their gear with anti daemon wards.

 Tyran wrote:
I find myself in the weird position that the Nids is the faction I like the most.
For all the races, they are the most united, with no infighting

They do have a sort of infighting. Often when two different Hive Fleets meet, they will try to each each other. But even this serves a higher unity, since it is essentially the Hivemind evolving its forces. The strongest 'Nids survive and get all the biomass and favourable traits of the loser.

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:

 Zaqqaz wrote:
The Tyranids bio-fleets.

Think about it: an intelligent, ferocious and efficient super-organism composed of countless horrifying creatures mauling, lacerating, devouring and consuming everything on their way.
Imagine the terror of the Adeptus Mechanicus researchers on Tyran (the first imperial world to fall in front of the Great Devourer) who watched their formidable planet defenses being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of the enemy: a soulless horde of alien beasts, every one of which is just an expendable pawn.
You can't negotiate with them: you can only resist or be assimilated. The survival of the fittest at its best.
That's why Tyranids are by far the most disturbing creatures of the WH40k universe.

I do think you have a good point,...

but i loathe a Daemon who corrupts, twists your mind and changes your shape slowly from the inside more!

Personally, I don't think a chaotic possession should be that bad, at least for the possessed. In a repressive dictatorship (as the Imperium is), Chaos may be a seductive relief for the people who don't fit well in the system. It must be satisfying to tell the Emperor to get lost, for once. And in addition to that, you gain a whole bunch of awesome super powers (like making people's head explode) and may also grow fangs, claws and a beautiful pair of horns. And if you pledge allegiance to Slaanesh, you may even grow something else... Chaos is cool
Tyranids just eat you alive. And they really freak me out.

 Zaqqaz wrote:

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:

 Zaqqaz wrote:
The Tyranids bio-fleets.

Think about it: an intelligent, ferocious and efficient super-organism composed of countless horrifying creatures mauling, lacerating, devouring and consuming everything on their way.
Imagine the terror of the Adeptus Mechanicus researchers on Tyran (the first imperial world to fall in front of the Great Devourer) who watched their formidable planet defenses being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of the enemy: a soulless horde of alien beasts, every one of which is just an expendable pawn.
You can't negotiate with them: you can only resist or be assimilated. The survival of the fittest at its best.
That's why Tyranids are by far the most disturbing creatures of the WH40k universe.

I do think you have a good point,...

but i loathe a Daemon who corrupts, twists your mind and changes your shape slowly from the inside more!

Personally, I don't think a chaotic possession should be that bad, at least for the possessed. In a repressive dictatorship (as the Imperium is), Chaos may be a seductive relief for the people who don't fit well in the system. It must be satisfying to tell the Emperor to get lost, for once. And in addition to that, you gain a whole bunch of awesome super powers (like making people's head explode) and may also grow fangs, claws and a beautiful pair of horns. And if you pledge allegiance to Slaanesh, you may even grow something else... Chaos is cool
Tyranids just eat you alive. And they really freak me out.

Or, you body and soul could be teared apart and transformed into a warp portal to start a Daemonic incursion.

And they are far worse things than death, as both Chaos and the DE has show us.

Almost anything having to do with Slaanesh.

The lack of Duct Tape really bugs me....

Orks have it, and use it all the time

What disturbs me most is that Slanesh is not pictured correctly, The lord of pleasure is censored! they should be worse than the DE, i imagine scenes from Hellraiser and Event Horizon when extreme Slanesh converts are doing their "thing".
Gwar to the power infinite, Guro maximus.

Glimpses are shown in Fulgrim, but it is to PG in my book, or maybe i am just disturbed, muwhahaahah!

The most disturbing about 40k is that it is a universe that is centered around mass carnage, bloodlust, hedonism, devil worship, and every other horrible thing imaginable on a galactic scale, and at the end of the day every Black Library book ends with an advertisement that says "Now you can be a part of the action!" and it is advertising to 14 old kids. Now that I think about it it isn't just the most disturbing but the most depressing as I mostly see adults playing the game. :/

The glorification of stupidity and the inability of man to get better.

Are humans dumb enough to pray to a toaster to make it work? Sadly, yes we are.

I would say the lack of respect towards human life. Thousands are sacrificed to the god/ Emperor and the guard are always being thrown into a meat grinder. What ever happened to no man left behind? Well you can't save a man if he's a pile of mush under some huge vehicle of death.

That maybe the Emperor of Mankind bargained with the primordial anihalator for the secrets to create the primarchs..chilling ramifications.

 Musashi363 wrote:
That maybe the Emperor of Mankind bargained with the primordial anihalator for the secrets to create the primarchs..chilling ramifications.

Wait... What?

Citation needed!

Lucarikx

 Lucarikx wrote:

 Musashi363 wrote:
That maybe the Emperor of Mankind bargained with the primordial anihalator for the secrets to create the primarchs..chilling ramifications.

Wait... What?

Citation needed!

Lucarikx

In the first heretic when Argel Tal travells into the warp, he is shown "proof" that the emperor bargained with the primordial annihilator by a daemon. But as with all daemons we don't realy know if this is the truth or a lie

 Dantioch wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:

 Musashi363 wrote:
That maybe the Emperor of Mankind bargained with the primordial anihalator for the secrets to create the primarchs..chilling ramifications.

Wait... What?

Citation needed!

Lucarikx

In the first heretic when Argel Tal travells into the warp, he is shown "proof" that the emperor bargained with the primordial annihilator by a daemon. But as with all daemons we don't realy know if this is the truth or a lie

I believe "A Thousand Sons" also deals with this and shows the magic wards on the Primarch's incubators. It somewhat confuses and justifies what he does later. (In his mind.) That wasn't a vision, he was actually there to see it.

For me, the idea that the Emperor is basically another chaos god. He even has his own demon princes in the form of living saints and such like St. Celestine. You can kill/banish her but she'll just keep coming back in a "miraculous" manner.

 Ascalam wrote:
That SM always get to win.

Phyrric victory sometimes, but with all the threats out there ...

You should read the Iron Warriors novels.

Might just. Haven't read them yet

Arco flagelation, and lucius the eternal creep me out the most.

Servitors. In Ravenor, Gideon Ravenor describes the thoughts of a servitor he melds with telepathically. Sad. And horrific.

After reading the HH book mechanicum, the depths that the mechanicum has fallen to in the ten thousand years since the emperor ascended to the golden throne it just seems like any and all innovation has ceased, end though before the heresy innovation strictly regulated but atleast it was still happening!

 Ninjacommando wrote:
I say Honsou takes the cake for the most disturbing/Evilest thing in the 40k universe.

he created the Daemonculaba which does the following:

The Daemonculaba process was a means by which to produce new Chaos Space Marines entailing a shocking myriad of cruelties including, among other things, skinning people alive and forcibly impregnating women via reverse c-sections with said skinned people.

Don't forget to throw the space marine geneseed in there.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Who shielded the Tau behind a millennia-long mega-warp storm, hyper-accelerated their evolution and technological capacities, and put them under (almost absolute) the gene-engineered command of the (suddenly appearing) Ethereals? Who? And Why?

Hactar?




Also,some DE victims, yesterday (escaped before they could get too far down the line).






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 Void__Dragon wrote:
I dunno, I have never been legitimately grossed out by 40k.

One moment that I did find shocking (Albeit in a way that just made me laugh uncontrollably) was in The Mirror Crack'd, where Fulgrim is being tortured by the highest ranking members of his legion. One jams a device into his fething penis, and the spike basically opens up like a sort of umbrella, and he manipulates it painfully, which makes Fulgrim practically orgasm several times, and then, when Fulgrim decides to break free of his restraints, he grabs the device, and rips his own pecker off, before shuddering, and saying that he was beginning to enjoy that.

I thought it was a choke pear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choke_pear_%28torture%29

Not much better, if truth be told.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Dantioch wrote:

 Lucarikx wrote:

 Musashi363 wrote:
That maybe the Emperor of Mankind bargained with the primordial anihalator for the secrets to create the primarchs..chilling ramifications.

Wait... What?

Citation needed!

Lucarikx

In the first heretic when Argel Tal travells into the warp, he is shown "proof" that the emperor bargained with the primordial annihilator by a daemon. But as with all daemons we don't realy know if this is the truth or a lie

I believe "A Thousand Sons" also deals with this and shows the magic wards on the Primarch's incubators. It somewhat confuses and justifies what he does later. (In his mind.) That wasn't a vision, he was actually there to see it.

For me, the idea that the Emperor is basically another chaos god. He even has his own demon princes in the form of living saints and such like St. Celestine. You can kill/banish her but she'll just keep coming back in a "miraculous" manner.

It is also dealt with in Brotherhood of the Storm, where a Stormseer's psychic ritual involves him seeing manifestations of the four gods commanding him to drink from a cup and a figure of the Emperor silently imploring him not to (there is also a nice way to contrast the various psychic traditions of the Legions; I would imagine a Space Wolf would kick the cup over, a Thousand Son would drain it dry, where the Stormseer takes a single sip and politely sets the cup back down).

It is also addressed in the Primarchs, Fulgrim's story more specifically, where he describes himself and the other Primarchs as quasi-daemonic entities.

There are other examples that I can't recall off the top of my head.

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Talore wrote:
What disturbs me the most about 40k lore is when people take it too seriously and miss the inherent satire. This includes some of the writers, unfortunately.

Agree, and may I add "fanboy haters" too... It would be a lot nicer if people were more relaxed when dealing with the setting....

Exactly...enough said by these guys

Definitely DE

The moderate and liberal policies of the Imperium.

 Mr Nobody wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
I don't like thinking about what chaos could do with the internet.

Didn't you know? Chaos is the internet. It grew so powerful that it became it's own dimension.

Oh Talos..

We need to stop 4chan before it becomes to powerfull...

Servitors really freak me out they are just weird, they remind me of the strogg from quake.

Urian Rarkath deserves an honorable mention I mean making a deal with the tau for some people and then using the disfigured bodies of the tau to protect the tau....yeah!

What ward turned the newcrons into when the oldcrons were soooo much more interesting

Nothing. It isn't grim or dark enough.

This:

 Happyjew wrote:
This:

Spoiler:

I feel sick...

 Happyjew wrote:
This:

Spoiler:

Holy Iotoa! I'm out of here

I'm sorry guys. This got posted down the board on the Ork reproduction thread, and I had to steal it. At least I was considerate enough to make it a spoiler.

To me the most disturbing thing is that Space Mahrines are supposed to be amazing fighters and tactical geniuses and so on. So why do so many of them fight without a helmet!

The most disturbing thing about Warhammer 40k is that time has been frozen in that universe for nigh on 30 years now.

It's as if Tzeentch has stopped time itself for fear of what the future may bring, like closure or something...

BaconUprising wrote:
What disturbs me most about 40k? Is this anything near an accurate representation of what humanity will become? Who knows. If so the horrible truth is that we are better extinct.


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On a less serious note. Their stupidity! I mean come on! Why send it thousands of imperial guardsmen and titans when you can just send in a single space marine, not even a captain...in fact hell just send in Draigo. Don't worry. He will win...

'Why send thousands of Imperial Guardsmen'
When you can send a single Space Marine
There's a single Space Marine for every thousand worlds in the Imperium IIRC, and you expect a single marine to defend said 1,000 worlds? Against threats like the Tyranids, the Orks, Chaos, even the Eldar and the Tau this is impossible... Guardsmen are plentiful, plentiful enough to get the job done across the Galaxy, and even with the current numbers of Space Marines they struggle.

He was joking. As indicated by the "On a less serious note".

The lack of children.

Marines are considered to be worth 100 guardsmen each in small skirmishes, in big open battles that efficiency drops to 10 guardsmen.

 Alfndrate wrote:
The lack of children.

Like women and regular people not involved in war, they're there, but not a significant part of the story. Somehow guardsmen have to live long enough from childbirth to die for the Emperor and Space Marines are made from children who are crazy strong and brave.

 WarOne wrote:
The most disturbing thing about Warhammer 40k is that time has been frozen in that universe for nigh on 30 years now.

 WarOne wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
The lack of children.

Like women and regular people not involved in war, they're there, but not a significant part of the story. Somehow guardsmen have to live long enough from childbirth to die for the Emperor and Space Marines are made from children who are crazy strong and brave.

How do they breed? Space Marines can't get with the baby making, and guardsmen all die

The thing that disturbs me the most is the space wolves, and blood angels. This probably comes from how annoying vampires, and werewolves in pop culture are now a days.

Niexist wrote:
The thing that disturbs me the most is the space wolves, and blood angels. This probably comes from how annoying vampires, and werewolves in pop culture are now a days.

I'm planning on starting a Blood Angels army. I'm going to mix a bit of metallic paint with Mephiston Red, so that they will *sparkle*.

I think this is both disturbing and epic at the same time: Tyranids have bio-engineered themselves to near perfection, running at 100% efficiency they break so many laws of the universe, they are also clearly millions to billions of years old and their forms suggest that in other galaxies there are very humanoid life forms. Or rather were, because those galaxies are now entirely void of life. Also the old way Genestealers were made portrayed Tyranid Norn Queens as much more terrifyingly genius rulers. The Zoanthropes as well, have some of the most frail bodies in any of the armies but are such powerful psykers that through their mastery of the power of the warp they maintain one of the strongest shields in the Warhammer 40k game (invulns I usually just assume are form of shield for most creatures as it usually doesn't explain them much).

So in summary, Tyranids because for a species most races assume are just simple-minded creatures they are geniuses. I admire and fear them at the same time! ^.^

 BrotherOfBone wrote:

BaconUprising wrote:
What disturbs me most about 40k? Is this anything near an accurate representation of what humanity will become? Who knows. If so the horrible truth is that we are better extinct.


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On a less serious note. Their stupidity! I mean come on! Why send it thousands of imperial guardsmen and titans when you can just send in a single space marine, not even a captain...in fact hell just send in Draigo. Don't worry. He will win...

'Why send thousands of Imperial Guardsmen'
When you can send a single Space Marine
There's a single Space Marine for every thousand worlds in the Imperium IIRC, and you expect a single marine to defend said 1,000 worlds? Against threats like the Tyranids, the Orks, Chaos, even the Eldar and the Tau this is impossible... Guardsmen are plentiful, plentiful enough to get the job done across the Galaxy, and even with the current numbers of Space Marines they struggle.

 Happyjew wrote:

Niexist wrote:
The thing that disturbs me the most is the space wolves, and blood angels. This probably comes from how annoying vampires, and werewolves in pop culture are now a days.

I'm planning on starting a Blood Angels army. I'm going to mix a bit of metallic paint with Mephiston Red, so that they will *sparkle*.

Part of my soul just died a little...

When I got into 40k back in 3rd edition, some of the artwork in that book was horrific, used to give me nightmares. The awesome kind of nightmares, Blanche is brilliant.

For me I have to divide this between in-universe horror and out-of-universe horror I see in the community.

In-universe I have to say the almost impressive ignorance and arrogance each faction possesses. And every faction has their lion's share of this! From Tau to Chaos itself each group thinks they are the end all be all and instead of seeking reason being the rule it's the exception. Even looking at the allies chart in the BRB you see how everyone has too big of a head for their own good. In the end the fact that the status quo is maintained by people's stupidity saddens me.

Out-of-universe the same thing is far too common in the community (though thankfully to a lesser degree). When I read my codex I see many of the idiosyncrasies in it (though I think 6th ed codices are better about this than 5th ed ones) and compare them to the other dexes I have to get a more even view of the setting. But, time and again I see people take their codex fluff as the final word on the matter irregardless of other valid material leading to long streams of rage and good topics being derailed and killed.



Stepping down from my over-ideological views of humanity (I blame dr. who) I can see how silly I'm being about that and I don't push these views on people for the most part.

Horror for me:

The thought of a blood-stained-10,000-year-old-daemon-infused-semi-unreal-genetically-superior-tank-armoured-giant bearing down upon me...
While his form shifts menacingly with the power of the warp, such as to defy the senses. The smell of rotting corpses choking my lungs, as I hear the final scream of every creature this monster has killed, just before I, too, am butchered.

And that is why I play CSM.

 sing your life wrote:

 Mr Nobody wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
I don't like thinking about what chaos could do with the internet.

Didn't you know? Chaos is the internet. It grew so powerful that it became it's own dimension.

Oh Talos..

We need to stop 4chan before it becomes to powerfull...

Memes for the /TG/ Gawd!Dread knight corpses for the 40k throne!

i'm disturbed by the amount of tank commanders armed with swords and driving as close to the enemy as possible to use them!

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Erm... wut?

If this is advertising, then:

a) This is a pretty damn poor job
b) Advertising here is not allowed.
If this wasn't supposed to be advertising, I repeat: Erm... Wut?

Lucius' ability to... erm... possess? any one who kills him and feels the slightest bit of joy in doing so. I mean, come on.
You've been up and about for the last 10k years doing horrible things to untold thousands on so many worlds and yet when some determined champion either through extreme luck or sheer skill manages to kill you, the guy isn't allowed to be proud of himself?

The Emperor being worshipped as a god. The guy said so himself, he is no god.

Also, servitors. Yeah, its totally cool that I have failed your trials (Astartes) and now have to become a lobotomised lackey.

cbteom wrote:
Lucius' ability to... erm... possess? any one who kills him and feels the slightest bit of joy in doing so. I mean, come on.
You've been up and about for the last 10k years doing horrible things to untold thousands on so many worlds and yet when some determined champion either through extreme luck or sheer skill manages to kill you, the guy isn't allowed to be proud of himself?

The Emperor being worshipped as a god. The guy said so himself, he is no god.

Also, servitors. Yeah, its totally cool that I have failed your trials (Astartes) and now have to become a lobotomised lackey.

Actually, those who pass but cannot take the gene seed are often taken on as the chapter serfs.
It would only be those who had already taken the gene seed, but failed to take to the hypnotherapy that would be lobotomized. That and criminals.

EDIT:
Wait. Misread your post.

Something along these lines...

 Selym wrote:

Actually, those who pass but cannot take the gene seed are often taken on as the chapter serfs.
It would only be those who had already taken the gene seed, but failed to take to the hypnotherapy that would be lobotomized..

Wouldn't that mean a wasted gene-seed? Or do they take it back? (Ouch)

cbteom wrote:

 Selym wrote:

Actually, those who pass but cannot take the gene seed are often taken on as the chapter serfs.
It would only be those who had already taken the gene seed, but failed to take to the hypnotherapy that would be lobotomized..

Wouldn't that mean a wasted gene-seed? Or do they take it back? (Ouch)

It may depend on the level of incrimination, but I'd say they probably tak ethe seed back first.

Probably the dehumanizing aspect of the setting, which is ironically also part of its charm. The cheapness of human life and the ease at which people are mutilated or lobotomized to permanently serve menial tasks - even the heroes of the genre (space marines) are genetically altered eunuchs with little regard for the people they serve. A society driven to madness for the sake of survival when that survival is portrayed as very little worthwhile.

I always thought that the Princeps of Imperator-class Titans we're pretty f'ed up. Stuck forever in a tank, your extremeties removed or modified, connected to a machine that will eventually consume your mind and meld you to its own A.I (Machine Spirit). The book Helsreach really made this picture vivid.

This is the only thing left I haven't seen mentioned that disturbs me.

 Cold wrote:
I always thought that the Princeps of Imperator-class Titans we're pretty f'ed up. Stuck forever in a tank, your extremeties removed or modified, connected to a machine that will eventually consume your mind and meld you to its own A.I (Machine Spirit). The book Helsreach really made this picture vivid.

This is the only thing left I haven't seen mentioned that disturbs me.

I agree. That Titan sure was war hungry

Do you see the beauty of 40k? Everone has a different opinion on what is the most disturbung. This is 40k. This is Grimdark. This is why 40k is such a darn fantastic setting/universe.

ALL CHAOS and dark eldar and when the grey knights purged a whole planet to kill 1 evil being

Thairne wrote:
Do you see the beauty of 40k? Everone has a different opinion on what is the most disturbung. This is 40k. This is Grimdark. This is why 40k is such a darn fantastic setting/universe.

In the grim darkness of the 40st millennium, there is only war.

^^This is what disturbs me. This darkly grim, darker than the most grim dark in this dark grim galaxy, tagline. Did I mention it's really grimdark?

 blood ravens addiction wrote:
ALL CHAOS and dark eldar and when the grey knights purged a whole planet to kill 1 evil being

And failed

I'm disturbed that the USA government of 2013 is about as effective as a dessicated corpse sitting on a glorified toilet in a fiction sci-fi setting.

 Ascalam wrote:

 blood ravens addiction wrote:
ALL CHAOS and dark eldar and when the grey knights purged a whole planet to kill 1 evil being

And failed

Not really, the Changeling did retreat back to the warp, which was the main point of killing everybody.

Except he retreated because the job was done, and he didn't need to be there any more

 Ascalam wrote:
Except he retreated because the job was done, and he didn't need to be there any more

OR DID HE? *duh duh duhhhhhh*

Having to live off nutrient slimes like the Valhallans do is fairly disturbing. As is living and dying on a hive world without ever seeing the sun.

 Ascalam wrote:
Except he retreated because the job was done, and he didn't need to be there any more

Yeah, but the damage of killing thousands is less than the possible damage of letting it escape.

Which just shows that the Daemonhunters know jack about daemons.

Whether it leaves or is 'killed' it still escapes anyway. You can't kill a daemon for good by killing the physical body with a torpedo. They just reform in the warp, and the Changeling can then just cross back into the materium again whenever it likes.

Blowing up the whole population of the planet to get him was a tad futile for the GK, and might just lead to the first fallen GK, which was the point of the plan in any case, from Tzeentch's perspective.

The story is detailed from the Changeling's perspective in the Daemons codex, and it's pretty clear he opts to leave, job done.

 Ascalam wrote:
Which just shows that the Daemonhunters know jack about daemons.

Whether it leaves or is 'killed' it still escapes anyway. You can't kill a daemon for good by killing the physical body with a torpedo. They just reform in the warp, and the Changeling can then just cross back into the materium again whenever it likes.

Blowing up the whole population of the planet to get him was a tad futile for the GK, and might just lead to the first fallen GK, which was the point of the plan in any case, from Tzeentch's perspective.

The story is detailed from the Changeling's perspective in the Daemons codex, and it's pretty clear he opts to leave, job done.

A daemon can't cross back to the Materium whenever it likes. Those thousands were sacrificed to save millions, that isn't futile.

It can if it's Tzeentch's errand boy.

Are you seriously telling me Tzeentch can't rip a hole in the materium large enough to allow one daemon through, lasting a few seconds ? Hell, there's fluff in the older daemons codex (never retconned) of Fateweaver doing that with a single languid gesture. Psykers create temporary holes in the warp all the time (Gate of Infinity for example) or port in from it (daemons deepstrike directly from the Warp). Failing that there are all these juicy human psykers on pretty much every world that you can possess/pop out of.

The Changeling has a habit of popping up all over the materium, pretty much whenever it needs to be.

Even if it has to travel a bit from the nearest convenient warp rip, it can still get to wherever it needs to be with precious little inconvenience.


Those hundreds of thousands that the GK destroyed at Raxos were futile deaths, because the changeling escaped, and completed the actual mission at hand. Millions of deaths are an irrelevant sidenote to Tzeentch compared to moving his plans along.

Even if they had by some miracle actually tagged his shuttle first and 'killed' him all they would be earning would be a brief reprieve while he reformed in the Warp, and then he would be sent out into the Materium anyway, and land on another world to do the same shiz again in any case. The Grey Knight justification for being magnificently dickish is that it will save millions on distant worlds by killing hundreds of thousands now, but how is it actually saving those millions when the Changeling will inevitably be back anyway ?

I assume you haven't read the story from the Daemons codex. I'm not going to type the whole thing, as it's lengthy.

'All that destruction, even the ultimate extinction of life on Raxos, had been but minor plots, little more than loose ends tied off with panache. No, everything up to this point had been anticipated, planned out for this exact moment. For on board the Bright Sword, watching the merciless judgment take place, was a newly ordained Grey Knight. For a moment, forgetting the Rituals of Detestation and the Rites of Purity, Brother Brutus let doubt enter the bastion of his mind.

In all the chapter's long history, no Grey Knight has ever fallen to the lure of Chaos: only time would tell if Brother Brutus would be any different. But here, on the deck of the Bright Sword, a seed had been planted...'

 Ascalam wrote:
It can if it's Tzeentch's errand boy.

Are you seriously telling me Tzeentch can't rip a hole in the materium large enough to allow one daemon through, lasting a few seconds ?

The Changeling has a habit of popping up all over the materium, pretty much whenever it needs to be.

Even if it has to travel a bit from the nearest convenient warp rip, it can still get to wherever it needs to be with precious little inconvenience.


Those hundreds of thousands that the GK destroyed at Raxos were futile deaths, because the changeling escaped, and completed the actual mission at hand. Millions of deaths are an irrelevant sidenote to Tzeentch compared to moving his plans along.

I assume you haven't read the story from the Daemons codex. I'm not going to type the whole thing, as it's lengthy.

'All that destruction, even the ultimate extinction of life on Raxos, had been but minor plots, little more than loose ends tied off with panache. No, everything up to this point had been anticipated, planned out for this exact moment. For on board the Bright Sword, watching the merciless judgment take place, was a newly ordained Grey Knight. For a moment, forgetting the Rituals of Detestation and the Rites of Purity, Brother Brutus let doubt enter the bastion of his mind.

In all the chapter's long history, no Grey Knight has ever fallen to the lure of Chaos: only time would tell if Brother Brutus would be any different. But here, on the deck of the Bright Sword, a seed had been planted...'

I have read that story from both codex.
What was Tzeentch plan doesn't matter, the GK didn't knew about it, they only knew that a dangerous daemon had caused the death of millions single handedly and they couldn't let it escape with the refuges. From the GK point of view, destroying the transports was the only sensible choice.

True.

From their point of view it was triage. Kill the smaller amount to save the larger. It's logical, from a dispassionate point of view. It's also heartless, callous and i would suspect that they would actually know it was futile (or at least the higer ranks would) unless they really are that clueless about the daemons they fight.

It was still utterly futile, whether they knew it or not.

The Changeling is a dick that way.

I'm not a Tzeentch player , as i prefer prefer Nurgle.

 Ascalam wrote:
True.

From their point of view it was triage. Kill the smaller amount to save the larger. It's logical, from a dispassionate point of view. It's also heartless, callous and i would suspect that they would actually know it was futile (or at least the higer ranks would) unless they really are that clueless about the daemons they fight.

It was still utterly futile, whether they knew it or not.

The Changeling is a dick that way.

I'm not a Tzeentch player , as i prefer prefer Nurgle.

In my opinion everything the IoM tries is futile, they are condemned to extinction at best, like the Eldar.

True enough

The guidance system inside a Skyspear missile (as fired by the new SM AA tank) is... a human brain.

 Tyran wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
True.

From their point of view it was triage. Kill the smaller amount to save the larger. It's logical, from a dispassionate point of view. It's also heartless, callous and i would suspect that they would actually know it was futile (or at least the higer ranks would) unless they really are that clueless about the daemons they fight.

It was still utterly futile, whether they knew it or not.

The Changeling is a dick that way.

I'm not a Tzeentch player , as i prefer prefer Nurgle.

In my opinion everything the IoM tries is futile, they are condemned to extinction at best, like the Eldar.

Well I feel like if they ever did something about the fate of the Eldar it wouldn't be totally crazy to take a noblebright route and have them leave the galaxy to colonize a new one. Then again they would probably try to purge the galaxy they arrive in of non-SpaceElf life... It's the most noblebright it can ever be.

 darthnatus wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
True.

From their point of view it was triage. Kill the smaller amount to save the larger. It's logical, from a dispassionate point of view. It's also heartless, callous and i would suspect that they would actually know it was futile (or at least the higer ranks would) unless they really are that clueless about the daemons they fight.

It was still utterly futile, whether they knew it or not.

The Changeling is a dick that way.

I'm not a Tzeentch player , as i prefer prefer Nurgle.

In my opinion everything the IoM tries is futile, they are condemned to extinction at best, like the Eldar.

Well I feel like if they ever did something about the fate of the Eldar it wouldn't be totally crazy to take a noblebright route and have them leave the galaxy to colonize a new one. Then again they would probably try to purge the galaxy they arrive in of non-SpaceElf life... It's the most noblebright it can ever be.

Move to another galaxy, that either is probably full of Orks or/and has been devastated/is being devastated by Nids, with possible new hostile civilizations. Also the travel will be quite long, they will lack the speed superiority of the Webway and Slaanesh will continue eating their souls every time he/she gets an opportunity. Without considering that they will still have another of their main problems, the incredibly low Eldar birth rate.

To many problems and probably no gain.

 Tyran wrote:

 darthnatus wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
True.

From their point of view it was triage. Kill the smaller amount to save the larger. It's logical, from a dispassionate point of view. It's also heartless, callous and i would suspect that they would actually know it was futile (or at least the higer ranks would) unless they really are that clueless about the daemons they fight.

It was still utterly futile, whether they knew it or not.

The Changeling is a dick that way.

I'm not a Tzeentch player , as i prefer prefer Nurgle.

In my opinion everything the IoM tries is futile, they are condemned to extinction at best, like the Eldar.

Well I feel like if they ever did something about the fate of the Eldar it wouldn't be totally crazy to take a noblebright route and have them leave the galaxy to colonize a new one. Then again they would probably try to purge the galaxy they arrive in of non-SpaceElf life... It's the most noblebright it can ever be.

Move to another galaxy, that either is probably full of Orks or/and has been devastated/is being devastated by Nids, with possible new hostile civilizations. Also the travel will be quite long, they will lack the speed superiority of the Webway and Slaanesh will continue eating their souls every time he/she gets an opportunity. Without considering that they will still have another of their main problems, the incredibly low Eldar birth rate.

To many problems and probably no gain.

Or by some miracle, get picked up by the much-debated remains of the Old Ones, and then get massively reinforced.
But that is neither cannon nor possible to agree on.

 dreamakuma wrote:
Talos and those night lords. Because they showed honor, humanity, fear, and then did horrendous things without even a shred of that honor. The fact that they were so easy to relate with until those points and even afterwards, made them feel more at a loss for control than a berserker.

I look forward to reading the Night Lords trilogy. Sounds like good stuff!

For me some of the most horrific fluff is what the emperors children get up to. They have no excuse like doing it for survival like dark eldar, they do it just for fun.

But yeah, Honsou and the Daemonculaba are pretty beastly as well. I was surprised to find he was an Apothecary originally but it kinda makes sense now I guess.

 Tyran wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
It can if it's Tzeentch's errand boy.

Are you seriously telling me Tzeentch can't rip a hole in the materium large enough to allow one daemon through, lasting a few seconds ?

The Changeling has a habit of popping up all over the materium, pretty much whenever it needs to be.

Even if it has to travel a bit from the nearest convenient warp rip, it can still get to wherever it needs to be with precious little inconvenience.


Those hundreds of thousands that the GK destroyed at Raxos were futile deaths, because the changeling escaped, and completed the actual mission at hand. Millions of deaths are an irrelevant sidenote to Tzeentch compared to moving his plans along.

I assume you haven't read the story from the Daemons codex. I'm not going to type the whole thing, as it's lengthy.

'All that destruction, even the ultimate extinction of life on Raxos, had been but minor plots, little more than loose ends tied off with panache. No, everything up to this point had been anticipated, planned out for this exact moment. For on board the Bright Sword, watching the merciless judgment take place, was a newly ordained Grey Knight. For a moment, forgetting the Rituals of Detestation and the Rites of Purity, Brother Brutus let doubt enter the bastion of his mind.

In all the chapter's long history, no Grey Knight has ever fallen to the lure of Chaos: only time would tell if Brother Brutus would be any different. But here, on the deck of the Bright Sword, a seed had been planted...'

I have read that story from both codex.
What was Tzeentch plan doesn't matter, the GK didn't knew about it, they only knew that a dangerous daemon had caused the death of millions single handedly and they couldn't let it escape with the refuges. From the GK point of view, destroying the transports was the only sensible choice.

Its possible to banish them for a set amount of time - In the Grey Knights omnibus, a greater demon (Ghargatuloth) is banished for 1000yrs and cannot return before then.

If they can just do that to the changeling, they could save themselves a considerable amount of grief.


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 rohansoldier wrote:

 dreamakuma wrote:
Talos and those night lords. Because they showed honor, humanity, fear, and then did horrendous things without even a shred of that honor. The fact that they were so easy to relate with until those points and even afterwards, made them feel more at a loss for control than a berserker.

I look forward to reading the Night Lords trilogy. Sounds like good stuff!

For me some of the most horrific fluff is what the emperors children get up to. They have no excuse like doing it for survival like dark eldar, they do it just for fun.

But yeah, Honsou and the Daemonculaba are pretty beastly as well. I was surprised to find he was an Apothecary originally but it kinda makes sense now I guess.

The Night Lords trilogy are my favourite 40k books. They are probably why I have a night lords 40k force and I'm branching out into 30k...

Do it!

The Night Lords trilogy are my favourite 40k books. They are probably why I have a night lords 40k force and I'm branching out into 30k...

Why are they so expensive?! looked the other day, the last two are like $50 each

Would this help?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Night-Lords-Aaron-Dembski-Bowden/dp/1849706123/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1381261028&sr=1-1&keywords=night+lords

although it is a ways off...

 PredaKhaine wrote:
Would this help?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Night-Lords-Aaron-Dembski-Bowden/dp/1849706123/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1381261028&sr=1-1&keywords=night+lords

although it is a ways off...

When is it out? I want that book.

The way the Skull Cannon gets its ammunition is really creepy.

Victim is eaten by a Skull Cannon. Body parts get eviscerated and shot out its rear, but it keeps the head still alive (I think). The head is fused by the Blood God's wrath until there's black tears coming out of its sockets. Then it's set ablaze, loaded in the cannon, and shot.

I think the most depressing/disturbing thing about WH40k is that it is not nearly as inventive as the real gak humans do to each other every day in the real world. In other words real life sucks worse.

- J

This is going to completely go against most of the other stuff in the thread, but to me the Tau empire just depresses the heck out of me. We have what is pretty much the only bit of optimism and progress ever shown in the universe (and to be fair even they aren't all that great, but at least they are willing to talk to you before they kill you, which is more than most of 40k has going for it), and it's located in such a tiny insignificant part of the galaxy that if any of the major factions stopped killing each other for about a year and actually bothered to try they could completely wipe it out like it never even existed.

Just that we have that little bit of hope and its so incredibly outclassed and irrelevant really messes with my head.

 dementedwombat wrote:
This is going to completely go against most of the other stuff in the thread, but to me the Tau empire just depresses the heck out of me. We have what is pretty much the only bit of optimism and progress ever shown in the universe (and to be fair even they aren't all that great, but at least they are willing to talk to you before they kill you, which is more than most of 40k has going for it), and it's located in such a tiny insignificant part of the galaxy that if any of the major factions stopped killing each other for about a year and actually bothered to try they could completely wipe it out like it never even existed.

Just that we have that little bit of hope and its so incredibly outclassed and irrelevant really messes with my head.

I find more depressing all those little bits of fluff that point to the fact that the Tau are quite evil, and even then they still are the "good guys" in comparison with the rest.

 dementedwombat wrote:
This is going to completely go against most of the other stuff in the thread, but to me the Tau empire just depresses the heck out of me. We have what is pretty much the only bit of optimism and progress ever shown in the universe (and to be fair even they aren't all that great, but at least they are willing to talk to you before they kill you, which is more than most of 40k has going for it), and it's located in such a tiny insignificant part of the galaxy that if any of the major factions stopped killing each other for about a year and actually bothered to try they could completely wipe it out like it never even existed.

Just that we have that little bit of hope and its so incredibly outclassed and irrelevant really messes with my head.

If 6th edition rules are to be taken as fluff it'd take the full might of the Imperium, a 14th Black Crusade, the Unification of WAAAAGHHHHs, a Hive Fleet, 2 Lost Craftworlds, and a handful of Necrons just to take a single planet.

Unless the Tau got to shoot first.

 PredaKhaine wrote:
Would this help?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Night-Lords-Aaron-Dembski-Bowden/dp/1849706123/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1381261028&sr=1-1&keywords=night+lords

although it is a ways off...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bookseries/B00CKLVGU0/ref=sr_1_2_acs_b_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381268506&sr=8-2-acs

Thats all I got in the US... When does the book you linked come out? Can't find any information on it at all..

EDIT: NVM Found it on the US one finally. Signed up for an alert when it is released Thanks!

On topic: The old necron pariahs always kinda freaked me out, humans who were taken apart and built into machines because of their soul less gene. Not sure this is cannon anymore though.

 necrondog99 wrote:
I think the most depressing/disturbing thing about WH40k is that it is not nearly as inventive as the real gak humans do to each other every day in the real world. In other words real life sucks worse.

- J

Only in that the little things that make parts of real life worse than 40k are too small to make an interesting story.
You just have to imagine that the IOM is like a far more overcrowded and polluted version of modern-day earth.

 Selym wrote:

 necrondog99 wrote:
I think the most depressing/disturbing thing about WH40k is that it is not nearly as inventive as the real gak humans do to each other every day in the real world. In other words real life sucks worse.

- J

Only in that the little things that make parts of real life worse than 40k are too small to make an interesting story.
You just have to imagine that the IOM is like a far more overcrowded and polluted version of modern-day earth.

Depends, some planets are supposed to be real paradises, with planetary economies completely dedicated to tourism. And don't forget the agri-worlds, feral worlds, medieval worlds, etc.

Tourist planets eh, other than Shrine worlds and pilgrims I can't imagine what subset of the population would have enough disposable income to keep an entire planet in business.

lol now I have a picture of an imperial tour guide escorting an inquisitor on his day off floating in my brain. That poor guy would be sweating bullets 24/7.

I think the objectification of humans is one of the worst aspects. The creation of servitors, slaves and modification of humans to make them living tools is horrific. Mostly because it's done by humans to humans and it's utterly ubiquitous, so much so the wrongness of it wouldn't even occur to most Imperial citizens.

It's one thing to see someone as an object, another (and wholly worse) entirely to remake them literally into one.

The total lack of any value attached to a human existence.

 dementedwombat wrote:
Tourist planets eh, other than Shrine worlds and pilgrims I can't imagine what subset of the population would have enough disposable income to keep an entire planet in business.

lol now I have a picture of an imperial tour guide escorting an inquisitor on his day off floating in my brain. That poor guy would be sweating bullets 24/7.

I imagine them with small, but well developed, settlements. Not very populated, after all, the planet needs to keep its natural beauty for tourists.
Still, probably only rich people can afford it.

Being frozen in time.

I don't see how a roll over in M42 will hurt anything.

 WarAngel wrote:
Being frozen in time.

I don't see how a roll over in M42 will hurt anything.

GW thinks they've created the ultimate story climax - the IOM is pretty much burning, chaos is rising, tyranids are nomming, and we don't know what's going to happen next.
But they forget, ofc, that after a while nobody gives a toss.

grey knights shooting down an entire civilian fleet

The insanity of the whole thing, no matter if its Khorn Bezerkers or the Inqusition theirs really no middle ground or rational group.

What frustrates me the most is the Rambo-style fanboi fluff some of the writters put in for armies like Ultramarines. There are FAR too many occassions where there is literally no way in hell that the combat shoudl have ended in a Marine victory but did with the only rationale being "because they were Marines...har har har...in da name of the Emprah!"

So stupid...

The idea of Orks worshipping Slaanesh seriously disturbs me.

Dunno if it's been mentioned, but Night Haunter's room built out of screaming living bodies kept alive by Chaos, or however it worked, is pretty creepy.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
What frustrates me the most is the Rambo-style fanboi fluff some of the writters put in for armies like Ultramarines. There are FAR too many occassions where there is literally no way in hell that the combat shoudl have ended in a Marine victory but did with the only rationale being "because they were Marines...har har har...in da name of the Emprah!"

So stupid...

One day I shall write a battle scene that depicts the space marines as less walking rape machines, and more highly-elite warriors.

 Farseer Faenyin wrote:
What frustrates me the most is the Rambo-style fanboi fluff some of the writters put in for armies like Ultramarines.

Yeah! leave that kind of schtick for Sly Marbo!

Three things I find particularly disturbing:

1) Imagine being trapped on a planet as Tyranids began to take it over. The entire world would quickly fill up with hostile monsters, something like Stephen King's The Mist. Similarly...

2) Being on a world that was destroyed from the inside (sometimes literally) by a Chaos cult.

3) Something about the masterfully written Battle of the Whisperheads has stayed with me forever. "Samus. That's the only name you'll hear. Samus. It means the end and the death. Samus. I am Samus. Samus is all around you. Samus is the man beside you. Samus will gnaw on your bones. Look out! Samus is here."

Samus is ''just'' a bounty hunter

 dementedwombat wrote:
Tourist planets eh, other than Shrine worlds and pilgrims I can't imagine what subset of the population would have enough disposable income to keep an entire planet in business.

lol now I have a picture of an imperial tour guide escorting an inquisitor on his day off floating in my brain. That poor guy would be sweating bullets 24/7.

The Inquisition, high-ranking Ecclesiarchs, high-ranking members of the Administratum and Rogue Traders. These are the people with the wealth to visit a Paradise World.

Tyranids, if you ambush one, all will know. If you hide in caves, they will send tyranids that can burrow. If you kill them all, it might just be a splinter of something bigger.

most disturbing thing? got to be servo skulls or servitors.. half human half achine with no eyes, a vox link sown into their mouth and ears sheared off... I think I would proberbly put a bolt round into each one I saw..

Dispite all of the chaos and DE fluff, the IoM always disturbs me most, the whole set up of it is wrong.

The most disturbing thing about the 40k universe? The absolute endless waste of life. @.@

As someone who, irl, strives towards utopia, plenty and all that jazz organizations like The Venus Project tout, it disturbs me to know end that peace really is completely unattainable for so many of these people, species, planets, systems, etc.

Best example ever of a situation that could've gone so much better and amicably for everyone is the fighting that breaks out in the Horus Heresy series between the Sons of Horus and the Interrex.

It's like there's just one misunderstanding after another that sees entire systems burn. @.@

I wouldn't say it disturbs me but the Dark Eldar codex has some of the more grim examples of what happens in the 40k universe. Particularly Grotesques and the other flesh puppets of the Haemonculi.

Tyranid living weaponry is also pretty horrific. Getting eaten alive as the "rounds" burrow in to your flesh or spray you with acid.

I find Slaanesh to be quite disturbing...

And the worst part is that most male humans will be feeding Slaanesh regularly...

Do you mean male humans always strive for perfection ?

The novel Dark Apostle goes into detail about a world being taken over by chaos. One of the viewpoints is from a local who is enslaved and forced to work in a labour camp. The torture and psychological damage is so intense that when guardsmen finally come to liberate the planet, the slaves end up attacking their liberators since their bodies and minds are twisted past recovery. Pretty disturbing stuff.

I love that novel. Dark disciple is quite disturbing too.

Selym wrote:I find Slaanesh to be quite disturbing...

And the worst part is that most male humans will be feeding Slaanesh regularly...

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Do you mean male humans always strive for perfection ?

[Mod Edit - Clever, but sorry, no. - Alpharius]

I just gotta put this one because no one has said it and it's a deep personal fear of mine.

In the Eldar Path series by Gav Thorpe

Yeah, that's some deep, psychological torture there...

 Selym wrote:

Selym wrote:I find Slaanesh to be quite disturbing...

And the worst part is that most male humans will be feeding Slaanesh regularly...

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Do you mean male humans always strive for perfection ?

8-----D ~ ~ ~

Some grinning guy with a very long nose and a long thin beard ?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Selym wrote:

Selym wrote:I find Slaanesh to be quite disturbing...

And the worst part is that most male humans will be feeding Slaanesh regularly...

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:Do you mean male humans always strive for perfection ?

8-----D ~ ~ ~

Some grinning guy with a very long nose and a long thin beard ?

Hmmm... How can I put this...



:S

 Selym wrote:
Hmmm... How can I put this...

Spoiler:

fapping

:S

I'm not sure it feeds Slaanesh. It's neither trying to reach perfection, nor necessarily being self-indulgent, nor being excessive in itself.
Also, don't women do that too ?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Hmmm... How can I put this...

Spoiler:

fapping

:S

I'm not sure it feeds Slaanesh. It's neither trying to reach perfection, nor necessarily being self-indulgent, nor being excessive in itself.
Also, don't women do that too ?

Perfection was the hangup of Fulgrim, who turned to Slaanesh. It is not what Slaanesh is about. Slaanesh is about excess and pleasure, and excessive pleasure. And pleasuring yourself excessively, if people who field Slaanesh armies are anything to judge by.

I'm sure it's been said in eight pages, but Argoflagellation.

Uuuugh. (that's the sound I make when I shudder, apparently)

Lets lobotomize criminals, replace their limbs with flails and buzzsaws, and pipe them full of downers and hymnals, only to crank the deathmetal and switch on the uppers when we want them to eviscerate anything in the vicinity.

Although i love DE I don't think they're the most disturbing race. I really dig the inhuman orange and blue morality with the Fae folk and pre-tolkien elf references (to quote Pratchett "No one ever said elves were nice ) but I think the sheer inhuman bureaucracy of the IoM is the worst. There's one example somewhere of an entire regiment being deployed to completely the wrong world and being wiped out yet it didn't affect anything whatsoever it was just...pointless.
The futility is what gives me the heeby of the jeebys, moreso than any Haemonculus or Daemon.

 daedalus wrote:
I'm sure it's been said in eight pages, but Argoflagellation.

Uuuugh. (that's the sound I make when I shudder, apparently)

Lets lobotomize criminals, replace their limbs with flails and buzzsaws, and pipe them full of downers and hymnals, only to crank the deathmetal and switch on the uppers when we want them to eviscerate anything in the vicinity.

Agree with above. Also any servitor really. Especially cherub ones! Its pretty sick.

For me there's something horrifying in the most primordial sense about Tyranids. Something about being eaten alive stirs the most primitive animal parts of the brain into fits of terror.

Not much at all really. W40K really isn't that horrific compared to other fictions like Lovecraft. The only thing that "disturbs" me (or rather, incites RAAAAAGE!), the spank of Grey Knights and Ultramarines, along with the flipflopping of the Necrons. Otherwise it seems all good.

The almost casual way planets undergo apocalyptic disasters. Whether they're consumed by Chaos, harvested by Necrons, get buried under a hostile alien ecosystem (green or chitinous, your pick!), or just...vanish. It's a hell of a lot of life, and it disappears in such an offhand manner.

Really gives you a sense of scale, as well as a clue on why the people in charge of the Imperium think the way they do.

 Ninjacommando wrote:
I say Honsou takes the cake for the most disturbing/Evilest thing in the 40k universe.

he created the Daemonculaba which does the following:

The Daemonculaba process was a means by which to produce new Chaos Space Marines entailing a shocking myriad of cruelties including, among other things, skinning people alive and forcibly impregnating women via reverse c-sections with said skinned people.

Dark Eldar are pastel-colored ponies compared to this.

 Lord Gatlas wrote:

 Ninjacommando wrote:
I say Honsou takes the cake for the most disturbing/Evilest thing in the 40k universe.

he created the Daemonculaba which does the following:

The Daemonculaba process was a means by which to produce new Chaos Space Marines entailing a shocking myriad of cruelties including, among other things, skinning people alive and forcibly impregnating women via reverse c-sections with said skinned people.

Dark Eldar are pastel-colored ponies compared to this.

They didn't impregnate women with skinned people...
The Iron Warriors were stealing kids and putting them in the demonculaba (woman who has been warped by chaos into basically a great big, still sentient womb), which were using geneseed to hot-house new chaos marines.
When the chaos marines were full size, they were taken out of the demonculaba - but the process didn't cover them with skin (I think they grew too quickly for skin)
So the Iron Warriors made skin farms where they force fed people to get them fatter (more skin) and then skinned the fat people so they could put skin on the kids they'd stolen, put in a demon womb, giant sized and rendered skinless...

 PredaKhaine wrote:

 Lord Gatlas wrote:

 Ninjacommando wrote:
I say Honsou takes the cake for the most disturbing/Evilest thing in the 40k universe.

he created the Daemonculaba which does the following:

The Daemonculaba process was a means by which to produce new Chaos Space Marines entailing a shocking myriad of cruelties including, among other things, skinning people alive and forcibly impregnating women via reverse c-sections with said skinned people.

Dark Eldar are pastel-colored ponies compared to this.

They didn't impregnate women with skinned people...
The Iron Warriors were stealing kids and putting them in the demonculaba (woman who has been warped by chaos into basically a great big, still sentient womb), which were using geneseed to hot-house new chaos marines.
When the chaos marines were full size, they were taken out of the demonculaba - but the process didn't cover them with skin (I think they grew too quickly for skin)
So the Iron Warriors made skin farms where they force fed people to get them fatter (more skin) and then skinned the fat people so they could put skin on the kids they'd stolen, put in a demon womb, giant sized and rendered skinless...

Oh, because that's much more humane

 dementedwombat wrote:
This is going to completely go against most of the other stuff in the thread, but to me the Tau empire just depresses the heck out of me. We have what is pretty much the only bit of optimism and progress ever shown in the universe (and to be fair even they aren't all that great, but at least they are willing to talk to you before they kill you, which is more than most of 40k has going for it), and it's located in such a tiny insignificant part of the galaxy that if any of the major factions stopped killing each other for about a year and actually bothered to try they could completely wipe it out like it never even existed.

Just that we have that little bit of hope and its so incredibly outclassed and irrelevant really messes with my head.

What are the hints that the Tau are evil?

lettuceman44 wrote:

 dementedwombat wrote:
This is going to completely go against most of the other stuff in the thread, but to me the Tau empire just depresses the heck out of me. We have what is pretty much the only bit of optimism and progress ever shown in the universe (and to be fair even they aren't all that great, but at least they are willing to talk to you before they kill you, which is more than most of 40k has going for it), and it's located in such a tiny insignificant part of the galaxy that if any of the major factions stopped killing each other for about a year and actually bothered to try they could completely wipe it out like it never even existed.

Just that we have that little bit of hope and its so incredibly outclassed and irrelevant really messes with my head.

What are the hints that the Tau are evil?

In the grim darkness of the far future, the Tau is too good to be true!

Squats

 CadianXV wrote:
The Tyrant Star.

We don't know what it is, how it works, where it'll next appear, or when it'll next appear.

But we know what it does. With little warning, a ghostly star apparently emitting black flames and esoteric, unknown forms of radiation, spontaneously materialises in a planetary system, often appearing to posses the local star, shines malevolently for a few days, and then, just as mysteriously, vanishes without trace.

The visitation is accompanied by psychic disturbance, geological upheaval, increased mutation and sociological problems on inhabited worlds, including mass rioting and unrest.

It has flummoxed every theory and remains a terrifying enigma.

Sounds like Matt Ward to me.

 Casbyness wrote:

 CadianXV wrote:
The Tyrant Star.

We don't know what it is, how it works, where it'll next appear, or when it'll next appear.

But we know what it does. With little warning, a ghostly star apparently emitting black flames and esoteric, unknown forms of radiation, spontaneously materialises in a planetary system, often appearing to posses the local star, shines malevolently for a few days, and then, just as mysteriously, vanishes without trace.

The visitation is accompanied by psychic disturbance, geological upheaval, increased mutation and sociological problems on inhabited worlds, including mass rioting and unrest.

It has flummoxed every theory and remains a terrifying enigma.

Sounds like a full c'tan to me.

Fix'd that for ya

Chaos in general, especially Nurgle and Slaanesh.
Hellraiser traumatized me when I saw it as a kid, so DE are ungodly scary to me.

Imagine if your city is attacked by the Emperor's Children... Or if you try to escape from daemons only to run into a Great Unclean one...

I actually have a hard time imagining the ways that chaos would be scary/disturbing...

I agree that they are supposed to be, but the concept just slides off my face whenever I meet it.

 Selym wrote:
I actually have a hard time imagining the ways that chaos would be scary/disturbing...

I agree that they are supposed to be, but the concept just slides off my face whenever I meet it.

We are all different eh?

I certainly don't want to see pink women with crab claws running towards me.

The Imperium. The fact that people like you or me get driven to do such horrible, horrible things is just disturbing. How they just throw lives away and make a wall out of their dead is just one example. Imagine the cultural indoctrination it would take to get people to be used to such things.

 CadianXV wrote:
The Tyrant Star.

We don't know what it is, how it works, where it'll next appear, or when it'll next appear.

But we know what it does. With little warning, a ghostly star apparently emitting black flames and esoteric, unknown forms of radiation, spontaneously materialises in a planetary system, often appearing to posses the local star, shines malevolently for a few days, and then, just as mysteriously, vanishes without trace.

The visitation is accompanied by psychic disturbance, geological upheaval, increased mutation and sociological problems on inhabited worlds, including mass rioting and unrest.

It has flummoxed every theory and remains a terrifying enigma.

I heard it was the immaterial football used by Gork and Mork in their giant, galaxy wide psychic game of football. Reality counts as a "goal".

If you listen carefully, you can hear the psychic echoes of a billion billion orks all chanting "Ere we go! Ere we go! Ere we go!"


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 Tyran wrote:
I find myself in the weird position that the Nids is the faction I like the most.
For all the races, they are the most united, with no infighting and under one overwhelming will

Or as lieutenant Ripley put it: "You don't see them fething each other over for a goddamn percentage."


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Thatguyoverthere11 wrote:
Have you ever read Angel Exterminatus? Basically it starts out with Fulgrim telling a rape joke and it just gets worse from there...

You're kidding me? Please tell me that isn't in a GW book? I haven't read much of the fiction - I pretty much get it all from the codices. That sounds beyond tasteless.

The Screaming Cage

The Screaming Cage is a hideous Chaos artifact that was created by a Keeper of Secrets known as Asteroth.

Eventually, Asteroth was partially freed and he destroyed the convent which became a lost order within the Imperium. Taking the ruined bodies of seven hundred Sisters, the Keeper of Secrets stitched their forms and minds together into what it considered as a work of art. Their minds forged into a single construct that became known as the Screaming Cage; a large screaming sphere with the bones of the Order attached to it.

And this is how it looks like.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/1/1b/Screaming_Cage_Daemonifuge_I.jpg

Jesus Christ on a bicycle...

 Lord Spartacus wrote:
The Screaming Cage

The Screaming Cage is a hideous Chaos artifact that was created by a Keeper of Secrets known as Asteroth.

Eventually, Asteroth was partially freed and he destroyed the convent which became a lost order within the Imperium. Taking the ruined bodies of seven hundred Sisters, the Keeper of Secrets stitched their forms and minds together into what it considered as a work of art. Their minds forged into a single construct that became known as the Screaming Cage; a large screaming sphere with the bones of the Order attached to it.

And this is how it looks like.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/1/1b/Screaming_Cage_Daemonifuge_I.jpg

Jesus Christ on a bicycle...

You think that is bad?

Check out this

I think there is just too much disturbing fluff in 40k to be able to pick only one.
But one thing that does really stand out for me is the way how humans in the Imperium seem to be completely devoid of common sense and empathy. How human life does not have any value at all. But even though it makes little sense, and sometimes it is overdone to the point of stupidity, without it 40k would not be the horrible grimdark place we all know and love

 Dantioch wrote:
Or the grey knights shooting down an entire civilian fleet with hundreds of thousands of people on them to, hopefully, kill the Changeling

Well that worked out for them...

I'm inclined to go with anything and everything to do with Commorragh

 Happyjew wrote:

 Lord Spartacus wrote:
The Screaming Cage

The Screaming Cage is a hideous Chaos artifact that was created by a Keeper of Secrets known as Asteroth.

Eventually, Asteroth was partially freed and he destroyed the convent which became a lost order within the Imperium. Taking the ruined bodies of seven hundred Sisters, the Keeper of Secrets stitched their forms and minds together into what it considered as a work of art. Their minds forged into a single construct that became known as the Screaming Cage; a large screaming sphere with the bones of the Order attached to it.

And this is how it looks like.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.de/mediawiki/images/1/1b/Screaming_Cage_Daemonifuge_I.jpg

Jesus Christ on a bicycle...

You think that is bad?

Check out this

DAMMIT HAPPYJEW!

One of these days I am going to learn to not click on you links.

Daemonculaba. And Marneus Calgar.

The fact that fighting against Khorne is essentially playing into his hands.

Idle Hands wrote:


WH40k paints a humanity that is in every sense of the word utterly inhuman. And just to make it worse is completely justified in being like that.

If I didn't already have a self-advertising banner as my sig, that's where this statement would be going. Exalted post.

Ah, I've finally got one:

A Plaguehound Titan.

It's the nurgle version of a Warhound, except instead of shooting with a Plasma Blastgun, it's firing what I'd call a "Gorecannon", and the Vulkan Mega-Bolter would be taking compacted corpses for bolts.

 Selym wrote:
it's firing what I'd call a "Gorecannon",

The Khorne Lord of Skulls has a weapon that actually is called a Gorestorm Cannon that spews boiling blood. It can be replaced with the deadlier Daemongore Cannon which spews burning filth. Though I'm not sure what constitutes "filth".

 Wilytank wrote:
Though I'm not sure what constitutes "filth".

Chavs.

The Void Dragon. It is sleeping in mars, no one knows it. All the tech on mars only makes it stronger. It will wreck everything when it gets out, and nobody can stop it.

Being captured by Fabius Bile. Eff that.

Being captured by DE would be worse. They taught him all he knows, but not all THEY know

Lol, It really depends on how you look at it. DE don't turn you into a wrack, you eventually get to die. Fabius turns whole populations into evil mutants, and enjoys doing it.

I'd say they are on par. I'm surprised no one mentioned Tyranids, Giant bugs clawing at you, shooting you with insects that burrow into you.

Choking on your own guts from the spore choked air.

bobamus87 wrote:
Lol, It really depends on how you look at it. DE don't turn you into a wrack, you eventually get to die. Fabius turns whole populations into evil mutants, and enjoys doing it.

I'd say they are on par. I'm surprised no one mentioned Tyranids, Giant bugs clawing at you, shooting you with insects that burrow into you.

Choking on your own guts from the spore choked air.

Because Tyranids aren't going to capture you and torture you in unimaginable ways, they are only going to eat you.

- only...

No, the terrifying bit of a tyranid swarm isn't when they eat you - its when you appreciate the scale of what they are about to do to your planet. If you can't get off world, you die.

First, a cult arises.
Then they gain power.
Then they screw over your authorities.
Then anarchy begins
Then war.
Then spores begin to land. You don't know what they are till one opens and the thing inside decapitates your friend stood next to you.
You run. You might only get a few paces while gakking yourself in fear. You might get further. If you get further, where are you going to go?
They are everywhere.
They are eating everyone/thing.
There is no escape.
They are even taking the oxygen.
You might get lucky and get taken out quickly by a monster.
You could end up with genestealers doing horrible things to you, in your place that you thought would be safe.
You wake up with no memory of what happened.
You manage to get off world.
Your skin gets a blueish tinge.
You meet a lady and have a child.
You are now enslaved to the will of the child.
You begin a cult.
Start the process again.

Yes the Tyranids are awesome at the macro scale, it just that I prefer to found myself in a Tyranid invasion than in Commoragh.

Plus I like Genestealers Cults, its a nice change from the crazy Corpse God followers and the even more crazier Chaos followers.

I actually feel pretty bad about the entire Eldar plight. They basically controlled the galaxy and were great at everything, then just became bored with their greatness and many became depraved.

It's disturbing because that reflects what many people on earth seek. Control, perfection, comfort, power...what would we all do if we actually had all those things? What would drive humanity once strife had been eliminated? We'd probably do the same depraved crap as the Eldar.

The price the Eldar paid for reaching a state that we would view as a paradise is pretty harsh - basically eternal playthings for Slaanesh. A fate far worse than oblivion.

 Reckoner wrote:
I actually feel pretty bad about the entire Eldar plight. They basically controlled the galaxy and were great at everything, then just became bored with their greatness and many became depraved.

It's disturbing because that reflects what many people on earth seek. Control, perfection, comfort, power...what would we all do if we actually had all those things? What would drive humanity once strife had been eliminated? We'd probably do the same depraved crap as the Eldar.

The price the Eldar paid for reaching a state that we would view as a paradise is pretty harsh - basically eternal playthings for Slaanesh. A fate far worse than oblivion.

The Eldar had the bad luck of existing in the same universe than Chaos.
I could see human race eventually becoming something like the Culture and after that maybe something like the Timelords after ages of technological advance.

 Ascalam wrote:
Being captured by DE would be worse. They taught him all he knows, but not all THEY know

They certainly didn't. He visited them, got some tips. He certainly wasn't an amateur before that. Remember he operated on Primarchs and has been doing his business for at least one edition longer than DE have even been a thing.

Feel the mighty power of RETCON

Operating on primarchs doesn't necessarily mean he was an unsurpassed surgeon at the time. The imperium leans towards the hack saw, blood bucket and poker approach to surgery after all

You can take the fluff any way you like, but he certainly seems to have patterned himself pretty heavily on good old Urien fluff and look-wise.

OK, so the DE didn't probably bother to teach him basic surgery 101. They did help him refine his art, and are still better at what he does than he is

YMMV of course. I'm naturally on the DE side of the poll, as i play them If i was a CSM player maybe my opinion might be different

 Ascalam wrote:
Feel the mighty power of RETCON

Operating on primarchs doesn't necessarily mean he was an unsurpassed surgeon at the time. The imperium leans towards the hack saw, blood bucket and poker approach to surgery after all

You can take the fluff any way you like, but he certainly seems to have patterned himself pretty heavily on good old Urien fluff and look-wise.

OK, so the DE didn't probably bother to teach him basic surgery 101. They did help him refine his art, and are still better at what he does than he is

YMMV of course. I'm naturally on the DE side of the poll, as i play them If i was a CSM player maybe my opinion might be different

Guys guys! Why not just agree that both are terrible and terrifying and you don't want to be near either of them (oh don't forget Fabius chills on an eldar croneworld deep within the warp)