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Erm... wut?

If this is advertising, then:

a) This is a pretty damn poor job
b) Advertising here is not allowed.
If this wasn't supposed to be advertising, I repeat: Erm... Wut?

Lucius' ability to... erm... possess? any one who kills him and feels the slightest bit of joy in doing so. I mean, come on.
You've been up and about for the last 10k years doing horrible things to untold thousands on so many worlds and yet when some determined champion either through extreme luck or sheer skill manages to kill you, the guy isn't allowed to be proud of himself?

The Emperor being worshipped as a god. The guy said so himself, he is no god.

Also, servitors. Yeah, its totally cool that I have failed your trials (Astartes) and now have to become a lobotomised lackey.

cbteom wrote:
Lucius' ability to... erm... possess? any one who kills him and feels the slightest bit of joy in doing so. I mean, come on.
You've been up and about for the last 10k years doing horrible things to untold thousands on so many worlds and yet when some determined champion either through extreme luck or sheer skill manages to kill you, the guy isn't allowed to be proud of himself?

The Emperor being worshipped as a god. The guy said so himself, he is no god.

Also, servitors. Yeah, its totally cool that I have failed your trials (Astartes) and now have to become a lobotomised lackey.

Actually, those who pass but cannot take the gene seed are often taken on as the chapter serfs.
It would only be those who had already taken the gene seed, but failed to take to the hypnotherapy that would be lobotomized. That and criminals.

EDIT:
Wait. Misread your post.

Something along these lines...

 Selym wrote:

Actually, those who pass but cannot take the gene seed are often taken on as the chapter serfs.
It would only be those who had already taken the gene seed, but failed to take to the hypnotherapy that would be lobotomized..

Wouldn't that mean a wasted gene-seed? Or do they take it back? (Ouch)

cbteom wrote:

 Selym wrote:

Actually, those who pass but cannot take the gene seed are often taken on as the chapter serfs.
It would only be those who had already taken the gene seed, but failed to take to the hypnotherapy that would be lobotomized..

Wouldn't that mean a wasted gene-seed? Or do they take it back? (Ouch)

It may depend on the level of incrimination, but I'd say they probably tak ethe seed back first.

Probably the dehumanizing aspect of the setting, which is ironically also part of its charm. The cheapness of human life and the ease at which people are mutilated or lobotomized to permanently serve menial tasks - even the heroes of the genre (space marines) are genetically altered eunuchs with little regard for the people they serve. A society driven to madness for the sake of survival when that survival is portrayed as very little worthwhile.

I always thought that the Princeps of Imperator-class Titans we're pretty f'ed up. Stuck forever in a tank, your extremeties removed or modified, connected to a machine that will eventually consume your mind and meld you to its own A.I (Machine Spirit). The book Helsreach really made this picture vivid.

This is the only thing left I haven't seen mentioned that disturbs me.

 Cold wrote:
I always thought that the Princeps of Imperator-class Titans we're pretty f'ed up. Stuck forever in a tank, your extremeties removed or modified, connected to a machine that will eventually consume your mind and meld you to its own A.I (Machine Spirit). The book Helsreach really made this picture vivid.

This is the only thing left I haven't seen mentioned that disturbs me.

I agree. That Titan sure was war hungry

Do you see the beauty of 40k? Everone has a different opinion on what is the most disturbung. This is 40k. This is Grimdark. This is why 40k is such a darn fantastic setting/universe.

ALL CHAOS and dark eldar and when the grey knights purged a whole planet to kill 1 evil being

Thairne wrote:
Do you see the beauty of 40k? Everone has a different opinion on what is the most disturbung. This is 40k. This is Grimdark. This is why 40k is such a darn fantastic setting/universe.

In the grim darkness of the 40st millennium, there is only war.

^^This is what disturbs me. This darkly grim, darker than the most grim dark in this dark grim galaxy, tagline. Did I mention it's really grimdark?

 blood ravens addiction wrote:
ALL CHAOS and dark eldar and when the grey knights purged a whole planet to kill 1 evil being

And failed

I'm disturbed that the USA government of 2013 is about as effective as a dessicated corpse sitting on a glorified toilet in a fiction sci-fi setting.

 Ascalam wrote:

 blood ravens addiction wrote:
ALL CHAOS and dark eldar and when the grey knights purged a whole planet to kill 1 evil being

And failed

Not really, the Changeling did retreat back to the warp, which was the main point of killing everybody.

Except he retreated because the job was done, and he didn't need to be there any more

 Ascalam wrote:
Except he retreated because the job was done, and he didn't need to be there any more

OR DID HE? *duh duh duhhhhhh*

Having to live off nutrient slimes like the Valhallans do is fairly disturbing. As is living and dying on a hive world without ever seeing the sun.

 Ascalam wrote:
Except he retreated because the job was done, and he didn't need to be there any more

Yeah, but the damage of killing thousands is less than the possible damage of letting it escape.

Which just shows that the Daemonhunters know jack about daemons.

Whether it leaves or is 'killed' it still escapes anyway. You can't kill a daemon for good by killing the physical body with a torpedo. They just reform in the warp, and the Changeling can then just cross back into the materium again whenever it likes.

Blowing up the whole population of the planet to get him was a tad futile for the GK, and might just lead to the first fallen GK, which was the point of the plan in any case, from Tzeentch's perspective.

The story is detailed from the Changeling's perspective in the Daemons codex, and it's pretty clear he opts to leave, job done.

 Ascalam wrote:
Which just shows that the Daemonhunters know jack about daemons.

Whether it leaves or is 'killed' it still escapes anyway. You can't kill a daemon for good by killing the physical body with a torpedo. They just reform in the warp, and the Changeling can then just cross back into the materium again whenever it likes.

Blowing up the whole population of the planet to get him was a tad futile for the GK, and might just lead to the first fallen GK, which was the point of the plan in any case, from Tzeentch's perspective.

The story is detailed from the Changeling's perspective in the Daemons codex, and it's pretty clear he opts to leave, job done.

A daemon can't cross back to the Materium whenever it likes. Those thousands were sacrificed to save millions, that isn't futile.

It can if it's Tzeentch's errand boy.

Are you seriously telling me Tzeentch can't rip a hole in the materium large enough to allow one daemon through, lasting a few seconds ? Hell, there's fluff in the older daemons codex (never retconned) of Fateweaver doing that with a single languid gesture. Psykers create temporary holes in the warp all the time (Gate of Infinity for example) or port in from it (daemons deepstrike directly from the Warp). Failing that there are all these juicy human psykers on pretty much every world that you can possess/pop out of.

The Changeling has a habit of popping up all over the materium, pretty much whenever it needs to be.

Even if it has to travel a bit from the nearest convenient warp rip, it can still get to wherever it needs to be with precious little inconvenience.


Those hundreds of thousands that the GK destroyed at Raxos were futile deaths, because the changeling escaped, and completed the actual mission at hand. Millions of deaths are an irrelevant sidenote to Tzeentch compared to moving his plans along.

Even if they had by some miracle actually tagged his shuttle first and 'killed' him all they would be earning would be a brief reprieve while he reformed in the Warp, and then he would be sent out into the Materium anyway, and land on another world to do the same shiz again in any case. The Grey Knight justification for being magnificently dickish is that it will save millions on distant worlds by killing hundreds of thousands now, but how is it actually saving those millions when the Changeling will inevitably be back anyway ?

I assume you haven't read the story from the Daemons codex. I'm not going to type the whole thing, as it's lengthy.

'All that destruction, even the ultimate extinction of life on Raxos, had been but minor plots, little more than loose ends tied off with panache. No, everything up to this point had been anticipated, planned out for this exact moment. For on board the Bright Sword, watching the merciless judgment take place, was a newly ordained Grey Knight. For a moment, forgetting the Rituals of Detestation and the Rites of Purity, Brother Brutus let doubt enter the bastion of his mind.

In all the chapter's long history, no Grey Knight has ever fallen to the lure of Chaos: only time would tell if Brother Brutus would be any different. But here, on the deck of the Bright Sword, a seed had been planted...'

 Ascalam wrote:
It can if it's Tzeentch's errand boy.

Are you seriously telling me Tzeentch can't rip a hole in the materium large enough to allow one daemon through, lasting a few seconds ?

The Changeling has a habit of popping up all over the materium, pretty much whenever it needs to be.

Even if it has to travel a bit from the nearest convenient warp rip, it can still get to wherever it needs to be with precious little inconvenience.


Those hundreds of thousands that the GK destroyed at Raxos were futile deaths, because the changeling escaped, and completed the actual mission at hand. Millions of deaths are an irrelevant sidenote to Tzeentch compared to moving his plans along.

I assume you haven't read the story from the Daemons codex. I'm not going to type the whole thing, as it's lengthy.

'All that destruction, even the ultimate extinction of life on Raxos, had been but minor plots, little more than loose ends tied off with panache. No, everything up to this point had been anticipated, planned out for this exact moment. For on board the Bright Sword, watching the merciless judgment take place, was a newly ordained Grey Knight. For a moment, forgetting the Rituals of Detestation and the Rites of Purity, Brother Brutus let doubt enter the bastion of his mind.

In all the chapter's long history, no Grey Knight has ever fallen to the lure of Chaos: only time would tell if Brother Brutus would be any different. But here, on the deck of the Bright Sword, a seed had been planted...'

I have read that story from both codex.
What was Tzeentch plan doesn't matter, the GK didn't knew about it, they only knew that a dangerous daemon had caused the death of millions single handedly and they couldn't let it escape with the refuges. From the GK point of view, destroying the transports was the only sensible choice.

True.

From their point of view it was triage. Kill the smaller amount to save the larger. It's logical, from a dispassionate point of view. It's also heartless, callous and i would suspect that they would actually know it was futile (or at least the higer ranks would) unless they really are that clueless about the daemons they fight.

It was still utterly futile, whether they knew it or not.

The Changeling is a dick that way.

I'm not a Tzeentch player , as i prefer prefer Nurgle.

 Ascalam wrote:
True.

From their point of view it was triage. Kill the smaller amount to save the larger. It's logical, from a dispassionate point of view. It's also heartless, callous and i would suspect that they would actually know it was futile (or at least the higer ranks would) unless they really are that clueless about the daemons they fight.

It was still utterly futile, whether they knew it or not.

The Changeling is a dick that way.

I'm not a Tzeentch player , as i prefer prefer Nurgle.

In my opinion everything the IoM tries is futile, they are condemned to extinction at best, like the Eldar.

True enough

The guidance system inside a Skyspear missile (as fired by the new SM AA tank) is... a human brain.

 Tyran wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
True.

From their point of view it was triage. Kill the smaller amount to save the larger. It's logical, from a dispassionate point of view. It's also heartless, callous and i would suspect that they would actually know it was futile (or at least the higer ranks would) unless they really are that clueless about the daemons they fight.

It was still utterly futile, whether they knew it or not.

The Changeling is a dick that way.

I'm not a Tzeentch player , as i prefer prefer Nurgle.

In my opinion everything the IoM tries is futile, they are condemned to extinction at best, like the Eldar.

Well I feel like if they ever did something about the fate of the Eldar it wouldn't be totally crazy to take a noblebright route and have them leave the galaxy to colonize a new one. Then again they would probably try to purge the galaxy they arrive in of non-SpaceElf life... It's the most noblebright it can ever be.

 darthnatus wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
True.

From their point of view it was triage. Kill the smaller amount to save the larger. It's logical, from a dispassionate point of view. It's also heartless, callous and i would suspect that they would actually know it was futile (or at least the higer ranks would) unless they really are that clueless about the daemons they fight.

It was still utterly futile, whether they knew it or not.

The Changeling is a dick that way.

I'm not a Tzeentch player , as i prefer prefer Nurgle.

In my opinion everything the IoM tries is futile, they are condemned to extinction at best, like the Eldar.

Well I feel like if they ever did something about the fate of the Eldar it wouldn't be totally crazy to take a noblebright route and have them leave the galaxy to colonize a new one. Then again they would probably try to purge the galaxy they arrive in of non-SpaceElf life... It's the most noblebright it can ever be.

Move to another galaxy, that either is probably full of Orks or/and has been devastated/is being devastated by Nids, with possible new hostile civilizations. Also the travel will be quite long, they will lack the speed superiority of the Webway and Slaanesh will continue eating their souls every time he/she gets an opportunity. Without considering that they will still have another of their main problems, the incredibly low Eldar birth rate.

To many problems and probably no gain.

 Tyran wrote:

 darthnatus wrote:

 Tyran wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
True.

From their point of view it was triage. Kill the smaller amount to save the larger. It's logical, from a dispassionate point of view. It's also heartless, callous and i would suspect that they would actually know it was futile (or at least the higer ranks would) unless they really are that clueless about the daemons they fight.

It was still utterly futile, whether they knew it or not.

The Changeling is a dick that way.

I'm not a Tzeentch player , as i prefer prefer Nurgle.

In my opinion everything the IoM tries is futile, they are condemned to extinction at best, like the Eldar.

Well I feel like if they ever did something about the fate of the Eldar it wouldn't be totally crazy to take a noblebright route and have them leave the galaxy to colonize a new one. Then again they would probably try to purge the galaxy they arrive in of non-SpaceElf life... It's the most noblebright it can ever be.

Move to another galaxy, that either is probably full of Orks or/and has been devastated/is being devastated by Nids, with possible new hostile civilizations. Also the travel will be quite long, they will lack the speed superiority of the Webway and Slaanesh will continue eating their souls every time he/she gets an opportunity. Without considering that they will still have another of their main problems, the incredibly low Eldar birth rate.

To many problems and probably no gain.

Or by some miracle, get picked up by the much-debated remains of the Old Ones, and then get massively reinforced.
But that is neither cannon nor possible to agree on.

 dreamakuma wrote:
Talos and those night lords. Because they showed honor, humanity, fear, and then did horrendous things without even a shred of that honor. The fact that they were so easy to relate with until those points and even afterwards, made them feel more at a loss for control than a berserker.

I look forward to reading the Night Lords trilogy. Sounds like good stuff!

For me some of the most horrific fluff is what the emperors children get up to. They have no excuse like doing it for survival like dark eldar, they do it just for fun.

But yeah, Honsou and the Daemonculaba are pretty beastly as well. I was surprised to find he was an Apothecary originally but it kinda makes sense now I guess.