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Post by: laginess
I recently got a buddy of mine into Warhammer 40k and he immediately took a shine to sisters of battle. But with their most recent dex being a WD article and their figs being expensive and herd to get reliably I told him to be cautious about them for the time being. This got me thinking, what is the future of the sisters ATM?
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Post by: Mr Morden
As you say lots of people like them, they are hard to get hold of and cost lots of money both direct and on ebay.
It does not look like they are being deleted but rather almost ignored - they are still mentioned in supplements like Appoclaypse - but GW can't be bothered to give them actual formations. Black Library has them in a large proportion of their output.
We can but hope for a proper Codex - especially with all the extra supplements floating about - after all there is a whole suplement for a minor rebel warlord (Farsight) from a minor Xenos race.
Even with the current codex - which you have to obtain from a non official source (more great work from GW) - Sisters are quite a good army - what I would suggest is to get hold of the rules - (I can help you with this - pm me) and use some proxies, if the army suits then can slowly build up figures........
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
I think they're being worked on but it'll still be a while before they're released. The problem is that the entire range basically needs to be re-done and the impression I got is that the SoB are being worked in the sculptors spare time . So the best they can really hope for IMO is to be done in this edition.
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Post by: Shandara
Well, I wouldn't call their figures hard to get reliably.
Apart from the codex you can get everything from GW's webshop. Ebay is a good source too.
That said, some stuff has been disappearing lately (broken molds? No more metal casting?) so who knows.
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Post by: Nobody_Holme
"Hard to get" is not "impossible to get"
Its on the GW website, for far more than its worth, and most combined kits are gone, along with some sculpts for some of the units.
The withdrawl does mean we're heading for a squatting (unlikely) or a hugely underprinted run of a new 'dex that will provoke huge complaints and then eventually sell a lot of items.
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Post by: Troike
They are indeed in the works. So sayeth the Jervis.
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?34864-Gamesday-Germany-2013-Master-Roundup/page2
So yeah, don't worry, they're not going to be squatted. Your friend can feel free to start collecting them, he'll just have to be patient for an update.
As for collecting them, yeah, Ebay is a good source. An advantage of the Sisters is that as an all-metal army, it's very easy to remove paint from them. No need to be put off by a crappy paintjob.
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Post by: Lynata
They are supposedly being worked on ... since about five years or so. 
I'm not holding my breath. That being said, I don't need to, either. In spite of my criticism regarding the drastic loss of options in their current rules, they are still playable, and as the others mentioned, the miniatures (which are beautifully detailed and unlike flimsy plastics lie heavy in your hand) are still easily available. The Sisters of Battle remain a very stylish army that, due to its lack of exposure, is not often seen on the tables. Should your friend decide to sign up with the Church Militant, he can be sure to field a rather unique army in your local area, which tends to be a popular thing in many circles due to bringing greater variety into the games. 
Mr Morden wrote:It does not look like they are being deleted but rather almost ignored - they are still mentioned in supplements like Appoclaypse - but GW can't be bothered to give them actual formations. Black Library has them in a large proportion of their output.
They did release two Apocalypse formations in WD shortly after the new Minidex was published .. the Repentent Host and the Sororitas Purge Squadron. However, I recall Apoc just got a new ruleset, and I'm not sure the old formations are compatible with the new stuff.
As for Black Library ... "large proportion"?  I find that GW mentions them far more often than BL - and in a more positive/professional light, too. The tricky thing is that with Games Workshop, their fluff is all over the place, contained in various issues of White Dwarf that hardly anyone buys anymore, or is aware of in which issue they are actually featured.
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Post by: Troike
 Lynata wrote:They are supposedly being worked on ... since about five years or so.
But have they ever said it so outright? I don't recall ever seeing such strong confirmation before, previous stuff was more vague IIRC.
Lynata wrote:GW mentions them far more often than BL - and in a more positive/professional light, too.
To be fair on BL, that depends entirely on the author. Sure you have books like Cain or Redemption Corps where they're portrayed quite badly, but you've also got good portrayals like The Death of Atagonis and the good ol' James Swallow books. As with a lot of BL, it'll vary.
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Post by: Lynata
Troike wrote:But have they ever said it so outright? I don't recall ever seeing such strong confirmation before, previous stuff was more vague IIRC.
I distinctively remember interviews from the 2011 Games Day, which is where the talk about the current 'dex just being a stopgap is from. And before that they have been saying it, too, although one could argue that earlier comments were referring to the WD release.
Dakka should still have some threads about the subject in the News & Rumours section, I think? I know I've been commenting about it back then.
Troike wrote:To be fair on BL, that depends entirely on the author. Sure you have books like Cain or Redemption Corps where they're portrayed quite badly, but you've also got good portrayals like The Death of Atagonis and the good ol' James Swallow books. As with a lot of BL, it'll vary.
Absolutely. I'm just saying that GW's own material statistically is more positive on them than the BL stuff, at least from what I have read and heard. I know it's usually perceived the other way around, but I believe this is just because so many fans have never seen all those WD articles. This is admittedly a failing of GW, though - their fluff shouldn't be so all over the place...
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Post by: Mr Morden
nope checked and the Sisters are mentioned in the new Apoc book, they are privotal in the initial battle report. However they then give them nothing.
No formations, no special tactics etc - everyone else gets one - except Sisters who have to use the generic ones.
re BL - They do seem to crop up one or another in many BL novels - at least the authors have not been asked to ignore them...........
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Post by: Nobody_Holme
Actually, they seem tobe quite good in general from the cain books, just, as he would put it, humourless emperor-botherers (which is pretty much accurate), and the ones he deals with in the stories thus far (barring julien and her initiates) are tactically very different to the guard as well as inexperienced fighting 'nids, say (plausible).
I remember other people I was at that GD with passing on the "have hope" to me, but its a while back, so my memory is hazy what the specifics were, implication was rules were waiting on models, if I remember rightly, who knows what this means.
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Post by: labmouse42
GW will eventually get around to making plastic sisters.
Then the army will be quite playable and affordable.
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Post by: Lynata
Nobody_Holme wrote:Actually, they seem tobe quite good in general from the cain books, just, as he would put it, humourless emperor-botherers (which is pretty much accurate), and the ones he deals with in the stories thus far (barring julien and her initiates) are tactically very different to the guard as well as inexperienced fighting 'nids, say (plausible).
They are also very different to how GW has described the Battle Sisters...
labmouse42 wrote:Then the army will be quite playable and affordable.
What makes you think that?
Battle Sisters - 3 Metal Sisters of Battle for £10.75
Price per miniature: £3.58
Space Marine Combat Squad - 5 plastic Tactical Marines for £15.50
Price per miniature: £3.10
People who can't afford SoB now will likely not find themselves in another position whenever they switch to plastics. The minis will still be expensive, you just won't get something that actually feels like it's worth that kind of money.
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Post by: MWHistorian
Future of SOB?
Simple, they don't have one. GW will continue to keep them on the back burner in the hopes we'll just forget about them. It's been 9 years since the last SOB figure was released and the unavailable WD codex is a joke. No new APOC formations and no new anything on the horizon. And when they finally get abandoned I will stop playing Warhammer.
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Post by: laginess
So, I'm gonna go ahead and let my friend read all of this and have him decide. I thank everyone for their help on this and Mr. Morden, I would very much like to take you up on your offer.
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Post by: Troike
 MWHistorian wrote:Future of SOB?
Simple, they don't have one. GW will continue to keep them on the back burner in the hopes we'll just forget about them. It's been 9 years since the last SOB figure was released and the unavailable WD codex is a joke. No new APOC formations and no new anything on the horizon. And when they finally get abandoned I will stop playing Warhammer.
Little cynical there, bud. 
You're speaking as if there's absoultely no evidence in our favour, and that's not true. We have a prominent dev outright saying that they are in the works, continued support (in the form of an allies matrix presence and mentions in the Apoc book). What's more, there is a precedence for an much unsupported army being uplifted, see the Dark Eldar and to a lesser extent the Tau and Necrons. A lack of support is hardly concrete proof of looming abandonment.
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Post by: Lynata
And the Sisters got their own pages in the current rulebook just like Marines and the Guard ...
But still, I wouldn't want to evoke false hopes and lead people down the road of disappointment if GW keeps the same approach they've displayed for the past ten years. The omission from the new Apoc book as well as the Crusade of Fire campaign supplement gives a contadictory signal as well, as if somehow one half of GW doesn't know this army exists, whilst the other has just decided to push their publicity.
What is more important than some rumours and hot air / PR-talk is that the army is still playable as it is now, it is unique and is fun as it is now, and the minis look beautiful as they are now. So, if there's a potential player interested in the army, he or she should investigate how the Sisters look now and whether or not they'd have fun with it. The potential is certainly there.
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Post by: Troike
Lynata wrote:But still, I wouldn't want to evoke false hopes and lead people down the road of disappointment if GW keeps the same approach they've displayed for the past ten years.
But, conversely, I think the cynicism can go a bit far sometimes. There are factors in our favour, and at the very least we should keep this in mind.
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Post by: curran12
MWHistorian wrote:Future of SOB?
Simple, they don't have one. GW will continue to keep them on the back burner in the hopes we'll just forget about them. It's been 9 years since the last SOB figure was released and the unavailable WD codex is a joke. No new APOC formations and no new anything on the horizon. And when they finally get abandoned I will stop playing Warhammer.
Jeez, take it down a couple of dozen notches man.
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Post by: pretre
SOB are in the same position we have always been since 3rd edition launched. Perpetually waiting to be updated and using whatever the current book is to make do until we get our always forthcoming 'real update'.
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Post by: Troike
 pretre wrote:SOB are in the same position we have always been since 3rd edition launched. Perpetually waiting to be updated and using whatever the current book is to make do until we get our always forthcoming 'real update'.
Though a main reason for that was likely the modelling issues. They couldn't be updated to plastic, so they became less of a focus. However, the advancement of technology, as well as Jervis outright saying that they're definetely in the works, means that it's not inconcievable that they've founds solutions to the modelling issues.
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Post by: pretre
 Troike wrote: pretre wrote:SOB are in the same position we have always been since 3rd edition launched. Perpetually waiting to be updated and using whatever the current book is to make do until we get our always forthcoming 'real update'.
Though a main reason for that was likely the modelling issues. They couldn't be updated to plastic, so they became less of a focus. However, the advancement of technology, as well as Jervis outright saying that they're definetely in the works, means that it's not inconcievable that they've founds solutions to the modelling issues.
I'll believe it when I see it. Don't get me wrong. I love Sisters and I have played them for 15 years. I will continue to play them. I just don't put any stock in any rumors (no matter how official) of updates because I have heard it all before. If you want to play sisters, don't wait. Just play them.
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Post by: Shandara
It's more disturbing that a number of models are no longer available at all (seraphim sergeants for instance).
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Post by: pretre
I'm kinda happy that they got rid of PP/PS Superior for Seraphim. She was such a bad model. lol
I miss the Combi-Canoness.
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Post by: godswildcard
Maybe a good way to do this is:
If you were going to build a 1000 point SOB army for a new player that he was going to order from GW TODAY, how would you do that? What would you have him buy? Why those choices?
edit: I'm asking these questions because I can't answer them as I've never played SOB. This is usually how I answer similar questions to myself.
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Post by: Lynata
Troike wrote:Though a main reason for that was likely the modelling issues. They couldn't be updated to plastic, so they became less of a focus. However, the advancement of technology, as well as Jervis outright saying that they're definetely in the works, means that it's not inconcievable that they've founds solutions to the modelling issues.
If GW really wanted to, they could just continue selling the current miniatures. As mentioned above, they wouldn't get much cheaper anyways even if they switch to plastics. Or they could just do plastic versions of their current minis and keep semi-fixed postures and can this ridiculous "we want flowing robes" stuff if this is really what has been holding the army back for Emperor-knows-how-many-years.
I find it much more plausible that nobody in the studio actually wants to take proper ownership of them. Andy Hoare used to be the driving force behind them. Now that he's gone, Sisters are put aside. Maybe that'll change some day, but I'm not willing to bet any hopes on it. Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. Better to get used to playing them like they are now - the lack of support may keep a lot of new players away, but that doesn't make them any less cool.
Shandara wrote:It's more disturbing that a number of models are no longer available at all (seraphim sergeants for instance).
Huh? I thought the ones that were missing a month ago have returned by now?
I was thinking it was just a matter of re-stocking. Is this really something more than the usual temporary disappearances?
godswildcard wrote:If you were going to build a 1000 point SOB army for a new player that he was going to order from GW TODAY, how would you do that? What would you have him buy? Why those choices?
I know I'd recommend the "wrong" things, so I may have to abstain. The Canoness is so cool, but with her current rules I really wouldn't feel good at recommending her in lieu of one of the OP- SCs to anyone who isn't a fluff-loving masochist. :/
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Post by: pretre
godswildcard wrote:Maybe a good way to do this is: If you were going to build a 1000 point SOB army for a new player that he was going to order from GW TODAY, how would you do that? What would you have him buy? Why those choices? edit: I'm asking these questions because I can't answer them as I've never played SOB. This is usually how I answer similar questions to myself.
Celestine - 115 - $20 Battle Sisters Squad x2 - 7 Sisters ea, 1 Melta, 1 Flamer, 1 Superior - 140 - $72.3 Rhino (Search)(Immolator Kit) x2 - 36 - $37.25 2 Exorcists - 135 - $57.75 ea Dominions - 2 Sisters, 2 Melta, 1 Superior - 90 - 43.55 Immolator (Dozer, Search and TLMM)- 86 - $37.25 Retributors - 1 Superior, 4 Heavy Bolters - 85 993 Points Purchase: Celestine - $20 3 Immolators - $37.25/ea or $111.75 2 Exorcists - $57.75/ea or $115.5 4 Superiors - $12.25/ea or $49 16 Sisters - $17.25/3 or $103.5 (2 extra) 6 Specials - $9.90/ea or $59.4 4 Heavies - $14.00/ea or $56 Total = $515.15
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Post by: tremere47
Personally I love my Sisters army. I have loved them since they used the PDF army list we had before Witch Hunters. I love the metal models and the Exorcist is one of my favorite models GW has ever put out.
That being said, SoB are by no means a "tournement" army. They face an uphill battle in almost every fight. Their basic Battle Sisters squad is overcosted in my opinion (125 pts for 10 S3T3 models? yes they have power armor but the stat line does not warrant 125pts). And 20pts for a heavy flamer is rediculous.
But they are my girls, I will keep playing them as long as the game is around. They are a very characterful army and the Living Saint is still one of the best special characters out ther.
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Post by: pretre
tremere47 wrote:That being said, SoB are by no means a "tournement" army. They face an uphill battle in almost every fight. Their basic Battle Sisters squad is overcosted in my opinion (125 pts for 10 S3T3 models? yes they have power armor but the stat line does not warrant 125pts). And 20pts for a heavy flamer is rediculous.
Umm, Sisters have done well since 6th launched at tournaments. 2nd General at Nova was Sisters/ GK. I just got 2nd at a four round locally here (only losing to the first place) with Sisters/Guard and won another 4 round local last year with Sisters/Wolves. They have some very points efficient units that lend themselves well to competitive play. BSS are spendy, but make for good solid scoring units. edit: People always underestimate SOB, but they have a tendency to surprise you.
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Post by: MWHistorian
SOB are surprisingly good. Not great, but they can hold their own. I only hope the codex creep doesn't get worse.
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Post by: Melissia
pretre wrote:Celestine - 115 - $20 Battle Sisters Squad x2 - 7 Sisters ea, 1 Melta, 1 Flamer, 1 Superior - 140 - $72.3 Rhino (Search)(Immolator Kit) x2 - 36 - $37.25 2 Exorcists - 135 - $57.75 ea Dominions - 2 Sisters, 2 Melta, 1 Superior - 90 - 43.55 Immolator (Dozer, Search and TLMM)- 86 - $37.25 Retributors - 1 Superior, 4 Heavy Bolters - 85 993 Points [snip]
Looks good to me, but I think he also wanted you to explain why.
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Post by: pretre
 Melissia wrote: pretre wrote:Celestine - 115 - $20
Battle Sisters Squad x2 - 7 Sisters ea, 1 Melta, 1 Flamer, 1 Superior - 140 - $72.3
Rhino (Search)(Immolator Kit) x2 - 36 - $37.25
2 Exorcists - 135 - $57.75 ea
Dominions - 2 Sisters, 2 Melta, 1 Superior - 90 - 43.55
Immolator (Dozer, Search and TLMM)- 86 - $37.25
Retributors - 1 Superior, 4 Heavy Bolters - 85
993 Points
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Looks good to me, but I think he also wanted you to explain why.
True, true.
Basically, this gives you a solid basis for SOB at 1000 points that is easy to expand as you move up points. Solid scoring with BSS. Exos and Rets give you decent long range and the Dominions allow you to provide first turn threat from scout or second turn threat through outflanking.
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Post by: godswildcard
Cool. That's a pretty flexible starter force by my standards.
Also, I have an idea, but why did you choose the immolator kits as the rhinos?
I've always like the aesthetic of SOB, and I think that they really aren't as bad off as most would make them out to be.
BTW, for ease of reference, what issue WD was it that had the SOB army list?
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Post by: ClockworkZion
godswildcard wrote:Cool. That's a pretty flexible starter force by my standards.
Also, I have an idea, but why did you choose the immolator kits as the rhinos?
I've always like the aesthetic of SOB, and I think that they really aren't as bad off as most would make them out to be.
BTW, for ease of reference, what issue WD was it that had the SOB army list?
Immolator kits are also the Sister's Rhino kits and just look cooler than the Marine ones.
I don't know the issue numbers off hand as I cut mine apart to make a codex out of the appropiate pages but they were the august and September 2011 issues.
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Post by: pretre
godswildcard wrote:Also, I have an idea, but why did you choose the immolator kits as the rhinos?
For the same price as the normal rhino, you trade the SM accessory sprue for the vastly superior Immolator sprue which comes with a host of SOB bits, an Immolator turret, a Storm Bolter cupola and a bunch of other stuff.
BTW, for ease of reference, what issue WD was it that had the SOB army list?
379 + 380, US. If I remember correctly.
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Post by: Troike
pretre wrote:For the same price as the normal rhino, you trade the SM accessory sprue for the vastly superior Immolator sprue which comes with a host of SOB bits, an Immolator turret, a Storm Bolter cupola and a bunch of other stuff.
The Immolator kits also comes with two sets of instructions, one to assemble it as an Immolator, one to assemble it as a Rhino. It's where you're supposed to get an SoB Rhino. But rather oddly, the GW website does not mention the kit's dual purpose and has the Space Marine Rhino for sale in the SoB's dedicated transport section. Why, if one wanted to take a cynical view, you could accuse GW of hoping that people building an SoB army mistakenly buy both...
Edit: actually, now that i think about it, people are going to have to buy the Immolator kit mutliple times to field the tanks they want to anyway. I suppose it's more of an oversight on GW's part.
Lynata wrote:If GW really wanted to, they could just continue selling the current miniatures. As mentioned above, they wouldn't get much cheaper anyways even if they switch to plastics. Or they could just do plastic versions of their current minis and keep semi-fixed postures and can this ridiculous "we want flowing robes" stuff if this is really what has been holding the army back for Emperor-knows-how-many-years.
I think it's pretty obvious that they vastly prefer posable, plastic minis. So like it or not, that's probably what they're aiming for. Not that I mind at all, as was said previously, multi-part plastics give lots of significant advatages.
Lynata wrote:I find it much more plausible that nobody in the studio actually wants to take proper ownership of them. Andy Hoare used to be the driving force behind them. Now that he's gone, Sisters are put aside. Maybe that'll change some day, but I'm not willing to bet any hopes on it.
Phil Kelly did express interest in doing them, and there's three devs that have them as their main armies. So it's not like there's zero enthusiasm to do them. And like a said, I'd imagine that modelling issues were also a large factor in their slowed updates, not just Hoare leaving. Though granted had he been there, there might have been more push into working on said modelling issues.
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Post by: laginess
Thank you so much on all your insight thus far. I've begun teaching my friend the rules with my own minis (though we're stuck in 5th ed till I can get the 6th book  ). I'll get him on dakka and direct him to this thread so he can begin learning more about the community and get started.
You guys are awesome! Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, can anyone tell me how I go to backorder those issues or if there is another way to get the sisters dex?
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Post by: Lynata
Troike wrote:Phil Kelly did express interest in doing them, and there's three devs that have them as their main armies.
Would that be the devs whose armies were still unpainted even on the official GW website article, the ones who managed to mislabel the support troops in the WD Codex, or the ones who either didn't know or didn't care for the rules they themselves have written in the SoB Battle Report?
Apologies for the cynism, but as I said, I've been hearing "talk" for way too long. I don't see the Sisters being squatted or other such unfounded rumours that certain people are propagating, but at the same time I'm not expecting anything from GW right now.
laginess wrote:I'll get him on dakka and direct him to this thread so he can begin learning more about the community and get started.
Wiz. Be sure to point him to the SoB tactics thread, but if he has any questions about the army as a whole he should feel free to post them here. As with most/all armies of the game, SoB players tend to stick together, and there's a number of gamers here who have specialised in different aspects of them.
laginess wrote:Also, can anyone tell me how I go to backorder those issues or if there is another way to get the sisters dex?
I got mine through e-bay. Look for the issue numbers, not something like "Codex Sisters of Battle", as the latter are supposedly much higher priced due to their collector status. Look for global offers, too, not just continental. It may also pay off to contact magazine stores directly, for often they have back issues stored somewhere you can get for cheap. That's how I've got half a dozen issues of ancient White Dwarf for about 2 bucks per piece a few months ago (just wanted to have them for some fluff articles).
Of course, rumours also have it that certain websites which may or may not be locatable via various internet search engines may or may not have the Codex as PDF. But of course dakka does not support piracy and so we would never publicly post about such things. *ahem* 
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Post by: ClockworkZion
In the VERY worse case scenario that Sisters get dropped, play them as Count As Salamanders and use a Canoness with a Halbred as Vulkan (this means the joy of converting a metal model, yes, but it'd be worth it!).
That's my personal plan if they ever get the boot. I have a 3K+ Army of Sisters that I could convert into a Count-As Salamanders army that would have even better flamers, meltas and Master Crafted Power Mauls. Yeah, it's a decent back-up plan I think.
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Post by: labmouse42
Lynata wrote:labmouse42 wrote:Then the army will be quite playable and affordable.
What makes you think that?
Battle Sisters - 3 Metal Sisters of Battle for £10.75
Price per miniature: £3.58
Space Marine Combat Squad - 5 plastic Tactical Marines for £15.50
Price per miniature: £3.10
Do they not sell 10 man squads over there?
$37.25 - 10 man tactical squad. $3.75 per model.
$17.25 - 3 battle sisters. $5.75 per model.
That's 65% cheaper than the metal models. I'll grant you, that's cheap for GW prices -- which are not -- but that's a lot more bearable than the current prices.
Furthermore plastics will let you have a wide configuration of poses, and unique models. With metal sisters, every 3rd sister is the same.
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Post by: pretre
Every 7th.
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Post by: Nevelon
And with multi-part plastics, you don't get to pull the pins out of grenades with your teeth. That sister is probably my favorite mini in the range, love her. There are some perks with mono-pose metals.
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Post by: pretre
 Nevelon wrote:And with multi-part plastics, you don't get to pull the pins out of grenades with your teeth. That sister is probably my favorite mini in the range, love her. There are some perks with mono-pose metals.
Well, the great bit is you can get the OOP metals and mix them in with your new plastics.
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Post by: Troike
Personally, I'm in full favour of multi-part plastics because that would mean bitz for sale. I've got a Seraphim Superior that I really want to equip with a second pistol and an eviscerator (would magnetise the arms so they can be switched as needed), but the only way to get the necessary parts is with the Canoness model, which I don't really want to buy just as a source of bitz. With plastics, single components like bolt pistols and such would be avaliable to buy online. It's just very convinient having a model in seperate components, see. Also, plastics would likely get Sisters an in-store presence again. Whicn they really need. But yes, the grenade Sister is pretty awesome. That is a valid point. Lynata wrote:Would that be the devs whose armies were still unpainted even on the official GW website article, the ones who managed to mislabel the support troops in the WD Codex, or the ones who either didn't know or didn't care for the rules they themselves have written in the SoB Battle Report?
Possibly. Though a proper codex would likely have a tad more fact-checking done. The only point I'm making with the devs thing is at least we've got people on the inside who care, so it's not like SoB are completely forgotten by GW's staff. Neither am I. Sisters are probably a ways off, but I'm confident we'll see them eventually.
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Post by: Lynata
Grenade Sister ftw! 
labmouse42 wrote:Do they not sell 10 man squads over there?
They do - but that's just GW manipulating the prices. I chose the Combat Squad because it was the closest to the 3 Sisters pack.
GW used to sell the 10 Battle Sisters in a single box, and they could easily do so again right now. They just don't want to because they make more money with the smaller packs (as evidenced by the price difference between the Marines).
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Post by: pretre
Lynata wrote:GW used to sell the 10 Battle Sisters in a single box, and they could easily do so again right now. They just don't want to because they make more money with the smaller packs (as evidenced by the price difference between the Marines).
We have no knowledge of why they swapped. Personally, I think it is because they are lazy and it is easier to just sell them by the blister than to make up 10 sister boxes. And the ten sister boxes had the worst special weapons loadout anyways (Storm Bolter, Flamer, IIRC).
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Post by: Troike
Could be partly due to a general distaste for metal models on GW's part. I don't think that there's any metal models in the stores anymore. They really want to "move past" metal models, it seems.
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Post by: Lynata
But they still sell Valhallans, Steel Legion and Mordians in large boxes, at a price of £2.05 per miniature ...
Which is kind of funny, considering that plastic Cadians are just 20 pence per mini cheaper.
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Post by: Troike
Hmmm, odd. Can't say I've ever seen them at my GW, but maybe they're around in the bigger shops.
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Post by: -Loki-
They no longer sell metal models in GW stores. That doesn't mean GW don't still sell them (though they're running stock down and not producing more), since they don't even stock their entire Finecast range in their own stores due to lack of shelf space.
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Post by: Jefffar
I think what we saw with the Black Templars and the recent Marine codex may be a preview of what is in store for the Sisters. I fully expect them to be subsumed into or released as a suppliment for either Imperial Guard or Inquisition.
Now, I don't envision this as an end to the Sisters. Far from it. I see it as a means to make them more playable with the ability to use other Imperial units as their own, much like happened back in 3rd edition.
The one shining hope I can give to those still wanting an independent Sisters force is that, unlike the Black Templars, they were given a full set of model pictures in the 6th Ed rulebook.
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Jefffar wrote:I think what we saw with the Black Templars and the recent Marine codex may be a preview of what is in store for the Sisters. I fully expect them to be subsumed into or released as a suppliment for either Imperial Guard or Inquisition. Now, I don't envision this as an end to the Sisters. Far from it. I see it as a means to make them more playable with the ability to use other Imperial units as their own, much like happened back in 3rd edition. The one shining hope I can give to those still wanting an independent Sisters force is that, unlike the Black Templars, they were given a full set of model pictures in the 6th Ed rulebook.
Why? A full Inquisition book would be horribly bloated (note how they've never done one before), and they have nothing to do with the IG, so no reason to put them in there. Also, Sisters ain't Templars. Just because something happened to them isn't proof it'll happen to the Sisters. Edit: Oh, 'nother point. Thus far, it appears that supplements are dedicated to subfactions within armies. Not entire armies. This would be the equivilant of folding the Dark Eldar and Eldar together into one codex and then releasing a Dark Eldar supplement for it.
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Post by: Lynata
The Black Templars started out as a sub-segment of the Codex Space Marines, then had their own book for two editions, and now have returned to the C: SM.
The Sisters of Battle started out as their own independent army, then became a sub-segment of Codex Witchhunters, and now have returned to their own book.
[edit] Well, or .. magazine, rather. You know what I mean. 
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Post by: Eldercaveman
Could we possibly be looking at sisters/witch hunters supplement for the grey knights codex?
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Post by: godswildcard
All of this talk has be considering a 1000 point army to add to my apocalypse mix. Any mention of the Sisters on Armageddon?...
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Post by: ClockworkZion
That reminds me. I'd done a full count of how many unique models Sisters actually have at the moment (using my collection and the GW site). This was originally posted on Heresy-Online in response to the claim that Sisters don't have a "lot" of different models.
Just for fun I'm going to rundown the models by FOC, the Battle Sisters variants will be listed in troops since everyone else just borrows those though (numbers next to models will cover the number of different models a particular choice has). This isn't to prove anything you said wrong, but to address this idea with some specifics since that gets brought up a lot and even I don't know exactly how many models there are. So here goes:
HQs: 13 Total - Canoness, Jacobus, Kyrinov, Celestine, Diagolus, Hospitaller, Sister with Blessed Banner, 2 Death Cult Assassins, 2 Crusaders, 2 Arco-Flagallants (Yes I know the Battle Conclave shares stuff with the Grey Knights, but so do almost all of the Marine variants so I've included them here for completeness)
Elites: 8 Total - 4 Repentia, Mistress of Repentance, 3 Preachers
Troops: 22 Total 7 Bolter Sisters, 2 Flamers, 2 Melta, 2 Storm Bolter, Heavy Bolter, Heavy Flamer, Multi-Melta, Sister with Simulacrum Imperalis, 5 Sister Superiors
Fast Attack: 5 Total - 2 Seraphim, Seraphim with Hand Flamers, 2 Seraphim Superiors
Heavy Support: 2 Total - Exorcist, Penitent Engine
Dedicated Transports: 1 Total (it's the same model, it just builds two things) - Immolator
Forge World of course adds 3 Flyers, the Repressor and an alternate Exorcist into the mix, but this is about GW's support.
So what's that give Sisters for their line exactly? 51 different models in their line, some that are spread through multiple FOCs. Honestly that's not too bad overall for a line of models from 2nd Edition (save a couple of toys that were added in 3rd). There were a few more variants but those have been discontinued over the years (to include another Canoness model, and a different Banner model).
Eldercaveman wrote:Could we possibly be looking at sisters/witch hunters supplement for the grey knights codex?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-no.
Seriously, that comes up every so often because people seem to be unaware that Sisters aren't a branch of the Inquisition. They weren't intended to be when they were created either. It was fixed in 5th and I don't see it being undone again when GW seems content with putting the Inquisitors in one book.
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Post by: godswildcard
Is the Penitent Engine any good? Cause I've always loved that model.
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Post by: Madcat87
Close combat focused walkers have poor performance across the board in 6th. An AV11 open-topped one much worse.
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Post by: godswildcard
Let's break the game with it. Give it outflanking and a form of heroic intervention. Or make it a flyer with an AP3 Flamer :-P
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Post by: Lynata
godswildcard wrote:All of this talk has be considering a 1000 point army to add to my apocalypse mix. Any mention of the Sisters on Armageddon?...
Yes, actually. More than usual:
http://web.archive.org/web/20021005045643/http://www.armageddon3.com/English/Campaign/Troops/imp_forces.html
This is a backup of GW's global campaign website for the Third War of Armageddon. As you can see, two Major Orders are mentioned as participants - clicking on their name will bring up some cool fluff about them. Also take a look at the entry about the Fleshtearers, as that one includes a communique from Canoness Carmina. The "Campaign News" section also has a few more bits about them in the Hive Tempestora and Fire Wastes entries.
Eldercaveman wrote:Could we possibly be looking at sisters/witch hunters supplement for the grey knights codex?
Why? That's a pretty random thought. They have very little to do with each other - even making them a supplement for Codex Space Marines would make more sense.
Come to think of it, that's almost how they started out. Shortly before their 2nd edition Codex release, GW published the stats for the standard Battle Sister squad as a preview in White Dwarf. You could use them as allies in your IG and SM armies.
T4. Take that!
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Post by: Jefffar
I wasn't saying that the Sisters belong with either Inquisition or Imperial Guard, but more along the lines of that's where they'd fit best if no separate codex was accorded to them and once the Black Templars were rolled into the Marine codex, it has certainly become possible that other armies might see similar adjustments where they have a high degree of overlap.
Interestingly enough, if what I've heard is true of the newest core Marine Codex, it is really being set up to be a codex to allow you to play 7 or 8 different armies depending on which Chapter you select, rather than just the same army with different paint jobs and different special characters. I think that it would be plausible for SOB and GK to wind up in a Codex that allows for the play of GK, SOB and various orders of the Inquisition individually or as a combined force. Then from there codex supplements will flesh out the specific sub groups with special unit configurations, unique wargear and similar.
I know most Sisters players won't like the idea, but as GW hasn't put out a proper codex for sisters since Third edition and there are now no 4th edition codexes and we are approaching the halfway point on updating 5th edition codexes, doubts about GW's intention to produce a stand-alone SOB codex are logical. To be honest, a joint codex along with plastic models and a supplement would be the biggest news for SOB since 3rd Edition.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Jefffar wrote:I wasn't saying that the Sisters belong with either Inquisition or Imperial Guard, but more along the lines of that's where they'd fit best if no separate codex was accorded to them and once the Black Templars were rolled into the Marine codex, it has certainly become possible that other armies might see similar adjustments where they have a high degree of overlap.
That's the key, Sisters don't overlap with anyone. Their a short range shooting army with T3 in Power Armor. Unless you like spending a lot of points on Inquisitorial Henchmen, there isn't another army that matches what Sisters are 100%. There are elements of how Sisters play featured in other armies, but in whole, they are unique.
On the other hand Templars are Marines. There are a lot of Marines in the game. So it's not really the same concern. GW is more likely to drop Sisters than roll them I'd bet.
Jefffar wrote:Interestingly enough, if what I've heard is true of the newest core Marine Codex, it is really being set up to be a codex to allow you to play 7 or 8 different armies depending on which Chapter you select, rather than just the same army with different paint jobs and different special characters. I think that it would be plausible for SOB and GK to wind up in a Codex that allows for the play of GK, SOB and various orders of the Inquisition individually or as a combined force. Then from there codex supplements will flesh out the specific sub groups with special unit configurations, unique wargear and similar.
I'm hoping for Sisters to have rules for the major militant orders so their personalities appear on the table more.
And frankly, Sisters don't belong in the same codex as Grey Knights. And it's not for the reason you're probably thinking of. It's actually because the two forces have no common ground or theme. Even if Sisters became Ordos Hereticus again they still don't have common ground with an army that fights Daemons.
Jefffar wrote:I know most Sisters players won't like the idea, but as GW hasn't put out a proper codex for sisters since Third edition and there are now no 4th edition codexes and we are approaching the halfway point on updating 5th edition codexes, doubts about GW's intention to produce a stand-alone SOB codex are logical. To be honest, a joint codex along with plastic models and a supplement would be the biggest news for SOB since 3rd Edition.
Orks are a 4th Edition codex.
Sisters biggest problem in the past has been models and once that hurdle is past then we're just waiting for GW to put rules to the new stuff and update the old units. I'm eagerly awaiting their release, but I won't hold my breath just in case.
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Post by: MWHistorian
I'm all about the plastic sisters. I know the metal sisters are cool, but I'd rather make my own choices.
Also, please no GK. They don't belong together. The Eclisiarchy is not GK, its the second biggest organization in the Imperium. (I count the Mechanicum separately.) In a way, the religious aspect of the Empire defines it and this is the army that represents that. It can and should have a big part to play.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
MWHistorian wrote:I'm all about the plastic sisters. I know the metal sisters are cool, but I'd rather make my own choices.
Also, please no GK. They don't belong together. The Eclisiarchy is not GK, its the second biggest organization in the Imperium. (I count the Mechanicum separately.) In a way, the religious aspect of the Empire defines it and this is the army that represents that. It can and should have a big part to play.
I like to equate the Imperium armies into three themes:
Space Marines represent Humanity's strength. They're the Imperium's unstoppable force.
Imperial Guard represent the vastness of Humanity. They are the Imperium's unmovable object.
The Sisters of Battle represent Humanity's hope. They are the soul that drives the Imperium on through the darkness.
Honestly I feel that if Sisters don't stay as an actual army we lose that facet of Humanity and the game would be poorer for it.
And as for the Ecclesiarchy, they may not be the most powerful individual force in the Imperium, they are definitely the richest.
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Post by: tvih
Holy gak! I thought the metal SL was gone for good... when did they reappear in the regular IG section, or did they go there immediately upon vanishing from the Collector's section? Don't recall them coming up in search results as recently as a month ago. I guess this means I need to get my some SL soon, and while at it a few SoBs, too.
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Post by: labmouse42
Lynata wrote:Grenade Sister ftw!
labmouse42 wrote:Do they not sell 10 man squads over there?
They do - but that's just GW manipulating the prices. I chose the Combat Squad because it was the closest to the 3 Sisters pack.
GW used to sell the 10 Battle Sisters in a single box, and they could easily do so again right now. They just don't want to because they make more money with the smaller packs (as evidenced by the price difference between the Marines).
What I don't understand is why they are willing to sell 10 models in a pack for cheap, then sell 5 in a pack for nearly as much. In some cases they won't even sell the 10 man packs.
Its not even the 'powerful models' they are selling only in 5 man packs. Its like they roll a dice and see what they will sell units for.
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Post by: tvih
 labmouse42 wrote:Its not even the 'powerful models' they are selling only in 5 man packs. Its like they roll a dice and see what they will sell units for.
That has been pretty much my conclusion in some situations
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Post by: Lynata
labmouse42 wrote:What I don't understand is why they are willing to sell 10 models in a pack for cheap, then sell 5 in a pack for nearly as much. In some cases they won't even sell the 10 man packs.
Well, selling the small sets for a higher per-mini price I can understand. It's basically a form of "bulk discount" telling the buyer they should go for the large box and save money. Maybe they only offer the 5 packs to pull off this psychological trick, or maybe they are meant for the few gamers who really only want 1-5 Marines (bits, replacements, conversion projects, etc), not 10, as they still save a few coins.
GW having stopped selling 10 Sister boxes is what I'd really like to know the actual reason for. I mean, if they're not trying to pull a fast one and earn more cash by simply denying the larger, cheaper packs to potential buyers, one could almost attribute malicious intent. Or rather, perhaps not malicious, but a business decision intent on sabotaging the army's potential growth by making it even harder to collect them - without officially pulling them.
But that sounds too crazy to be true. Right?
This brings me back to my earlier comment about one half of GW not knowing what the other half does, resulting in this weird "bait and switch" where they first push the army into its own section on the website, release new rules and several new articles across half a dozen WD releases - but simultaneously make the army even harder to collect and refuse to put the new rules up as a PDF, knowing full well that you can't buy them in a store anymore.
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Post by: deviantduck
I don't want to brag, but I'm going to.
At a consignment sale last wekend I picked up the following:
Immolator 3x
Exorcist 1x
Penitent Engine 1x
Acro Flagellant 6x
Repentia 9x
Mistress 1x
Celestine 1x
$40.
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Post by: curran12
Daannnnnng. Nice!
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Post by: Shandara
Nice find, but what condition?
If it's new, then great find.
If it's 'pro-painted' with sludge, then good luck stripping/cleaning!
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Post by: pretre
 deviantduck wrote:I don't want to brag, but I'm going to. At a consignment sale last wekend I picked up the following: Immolator 3x Exorcist 1x Penitent Engine 1x Acro Flagellant 6x Repentia 9x Mistress 1x Celestine 1x $40.
Wow! That is a good deal. I'll give you $41 for you to ship them to me!
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Post by: deviantduck
It's 6 year old with a can of old, thick, black, spray paint quality. The penitent engine was brand new though.
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Post by: pretre
deviantduck wrote:It's 6 year old with a can of old, thick, black, spray paint quality. The penitent engine was brand new though.
Bucket of Super Clean, here we come!
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Post by: labmouse42
deviantduck wrote:It's 6 year old with a can of old, thick, black, spray paint quality. The penitent engine was brand new though.
For the price, its still worth it!
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Post by: ClockworkZion
pretre wrote: deviantduck wrote:It's 6 year old with a can of old, thick, black, spray paint quality. The penitent engine was brand new though.
Bucket of Super Clean, here we come!
Or Simple Green and waitabout a week. Most of it will fall right off.
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Post by: godswildcard
Darn all of you people.
Currently working on getting a 1000 point sisters army to ally with my steel legion and Ultramarines in Apocalypse.
The thing I think I'm most impressed with is that the sisters models still look really, really good when painted next to other 40K models. That's proof that they were really well done when they first came out.
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Post by: pretre
godswildcard wrote:The thing I think I'm most impressed with is that the sisters models still look really, really good when painted next to other 40K models. That's proof that they were really well done when they first came out.
Yeah, most of the models in the SOB range are running 15-20 years old. In fact, next year (April) we won't any that are less than 10. (Since C: WH came out in 2004 and that was the last update of models we got...)
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Post by: Flying Toaster
pretre wrote:godswildcard wrote:The thing I think I'm most impressed with is that the sisters models still look really, really good when painted next to other 40K models. That's proof that they were really well done when they first came out.
Yeah, most of the models in the SOB range are running 15-20 years old. In fact, next year (April) we won't any that are less than 10. (Since C: WH came out in 2004 and that was the last update of models we got...)
That makes me feel really old now. Wow thanks for breaking it down by the numbers and reminding me how long I have been in this hobby.
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Post by: Troike
That's... well, that's pretty damn great. The nostalgia factor alone could really appeal to a lot of people.
Love the OOP Canoness that comes with it, too. Gotta snag me one of those someday...
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Post by: godswildcard
Well I claim this one!!
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Post by: pretre
That box set is how I started my sob army like 15 years ago.
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Post by: laginess
That is an impressive set I have to say, and for cheap. I have to say, my own interest in SOB has increased over the course of this thread and I do have a special fondness for them now.
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Post by: godswildcard
For the record, that box ended up going for 155 GBP + 20 GBP shipping! O_O
So $275 shipped. Dear....Sweet.....Merciful....Heavens.....
My max bid was only 100 GBP, and I felt guilty typing it in!
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Post by: Shandara
godswildcard wrote:For the record, that box ended up going for 155 GBP + 20 GBP shipping! O_O
So $275 shipped. Dear....Sweet.....Merciful....Heavens.....
My max bid was only 100 GBP, and I felt guilty typing it in!
Not bad.
If I check correctly with current prices:
Canonness ( OOP, replace with current): 8.20
Superior: 8.20
Heavy Flamer: 8.70
Melta: 6.15
Banner Bearer ( OOP, replace with blessed banner bearer): 8.20
3 blisters of sisters: 10.75 x 3 = 32.25
5 seraphim (sergeants are OOP): 8.70 x 5 = 43.50
Shrine: 6.65
Total: 121.85 GBP
So, discounting shipping, a 35 GBP markup for the booklet/ OOP stuff.
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Post by: godswildcard
So I just got a PDF copy of the SoB codex, and I have a few questions about it.
The first one being: Is the avenger actually in the book or is that an 'official' FW tac-on?
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Post by: pretre
godswildcard wrote:So I just got a PDF copy of the SoB codex, and I have a few questions about it.
The first one being: Is the avenger actually in the book or is that an 'official' FW tac-on?
I'm pretty sure I know which PDF you're looking at and...
Repressor and Avenger are both FW items and not in the codex. As well, the fortifications are part of the main rulebook or their additions and not part of the SOB codex.
For general SOB discussion, I think you'll find this link handy:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/434801.page
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Post by: Sigvatr
It's rather depressing for SoB. A new codex is far, far in the future and recently, iirc at a Q&A at Gamesday or Warhammer World, with a designer, they said that they could not use the old molds to produce plastic models. This means, if I got that right, that they had to produce entirely new molds...and for such a niche army, that'd be a lot of money (?) to invest with doubtful outcome.
Their main troops look really, really ugly with their weird haircut and huge lips, but I like them having their very own style and the winged models look really cool.
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Post by: pretre
 Sigvatr wrote:It's rather depressing for SoB. A new codex is far, far in the future and recently, iirc at a Q&A at Gamesday or Warhammer World, with a designer, they said that they could not use the old molds to produce plastic models. This means, if I got that right, that they had to produce entirely new molds...and for such a niche army, that'd be a lot of money (?) to invest with doubtful outcome.
That's a mix up of a couple rumors. They wouldn't use metal molds for plastic models anyways. The rumor (from a couple years ago) was that they were having difficulty with plastic molds due to undercut issues, iirc.
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Post by: Shandara
Not to mention they seem to make plastic models for small run or limited run models/games (i.e. Dreadfleet) no problem.
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Post by: Lynata
They "cannot" use the existing molds because they are - supposedly - dead-set on making any new minis in a sort of "flex pose" system where you can place them in various different stances. Apparently the robes somehow interfere with those plans and they seem unwilling to consider alternatives. Like with interested players currently being unable to legally acquire a fresh copy of the Codex, this seems to be another self-dug grave.
Sigvatr wrote:Their main troops look really, really ugly with their weird haircut and huge lips
Whaaaaa-? 
The haircut is cool and the armour sports some lovely detail. 
I'd agree that the faces could perhaps use a bit of work, though.
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Post by: pretre
I would agree that the SOB models have held up reaaally well. Probably the best models from that time period that are still available (except maybe some of the exarchs).
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Post by: Troike
Sigvatr wrote:that they had to produce entirely new molds...and for such a niche army, that'd be a lot of money (?) to invest with doubtful outcome.
Dark Eldar.
And in fairness, I doubt they would be so niche if they had a purchasable codex, an in-store presence and plastics.
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Post by: pretre
Troike wrote: Sigvatr wrote:that they had to produce entirely new molds...and for such a niche army, that'd be a lot of money (?) to invest with doubtful outcome.
Dark Eldar.
And in fairness, I doubt they would be so niche if they had a purchasable codex, an in-store presence and plastics.
DE are really the exact comparison on this. Niche army with even worse models than SOB. Rebooted and they sold like hotcakes.
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Post by: labmouse42
Honestly GW has been really on-point lately with codex releases. I expect the CEO has realized if they put out more product, people will buy more.
As such, I would not be surprised at all if we saw a new SoB codex over the next year. Their current rate of release has been 6 books a year.
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Post by: godswildcard
We can all hope! In the mean time, SoB are really resigned to being an army that only more veteran players would be interested in, and even then the list of people who are willing to pay the premiums to get involved is relatively short.
Fingers crossed!
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Post by: Troike
godswildcard wrote:SoB are really resigned to being an army that only more veteran players would be interested in
Not at all. They're the army I started with (excluding a few IG I collected when I was a kid), and I've seen a few other new players going straight for the SoB too.
They're not as hard to play as the Internet sometimes makes them out to be. All you really need to do is do some research on how to play them and maybe ask for advice from more experienced players. They're a perfectly competetive army, you just need to put a little thought into how you play them.
Edit: as they're such a characterful and unique army, really, anybody can be interested in them.
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Post by: godswildcard
Troike wrote:godswildcard wrote:SoB are really resigned to being an army that only more veteran players would be interested in
Not at all. They're the army I started with (excluding a few IG I collected when I was a kid), and I've seen a few other new players going straight for the SoB too.
They're not as hard to play as the Internet sometimes makes them out to be. All you really need to do is do some research on how to play them and maybe ask for advice from more experienced players. They're a perfectly competetive army, you just need to put a little thought into how you play them.
Edit: as they're such a characterful and unique army, really, anybody can be interested in them.
I guess I should've said 'would likely be more interested in'. My statement really doesn't deal with the competitiveness or the aesthetics of the army (I've already stated that I think the sisters still look great) but rather the monetary cost of the units, the lack of variation in the units (Saint C being the only real HQ choice), the lack of support the army receives (no apocalypse formations) and the lack of an actual codex (can't back order the white dwarf and the rules aren't even downloadable on GWs site). Heck, if a new player were to walk into a GW right now to purchase a start up army, they wouldn't know sisters existed unless the manager told them about them and showed them on the computer.
All of your points are of course valid; I was just more thinking about your average 14 year old with birthday/ Christmas money would probably rather get 2000 points of Space Marines or IG than 1000 points of sisters. Just my 2 cents.
And for the record, I LOVE it when new players pick up niche armies!  My first fantasy army in 2006 was Tomb Kings, and they were kind of in the same boat at the time. I had a really tough learning curve, but I was playing with undead Egyptians which made it totally worth it! I'm sure there are players that would say the same thing about murderous, angry nuns!
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Post by: Lynata
godswildcard wrote:the monetary cost of the units, the lack of variation in the units (Saint C being the only real HQ choice), the lack of support the army receives (no apocalypse formations) and the lack of an actual codex (can't back order the white dwarf and the rules aren't even downloadable on GWs site)
All of these are issues that GW could indeed address within a short span of time.
Selling the SoB at a price comparable to the metal IG (a "whopping" 20p difference to plastic Cadians), FAQ'ing some of the old wargear selections into the Codex to make the Canoness viable again, resuming the White Dwarf article support, and putting the current Codex online as a PDF...
I'm at a loss for why they just prefer to sit back and do nothing. It almost appears intentional, but that's just my pragmatism speaking, and it doesn't fit to the small spree of effort they went through following the 5E release (reworking their shop website not once but twice, publishing additional WD articles, ...).
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Post by: conker249
Just reading through Citadel journal #49(2002), and it has Sisters of Battle "Chapter approved" Drop pod strike force lists. I would love to try that out sometime. Drop pod Dominica pattern with 5x heavy bolters(or 5 Multi-meltas) No transport capability but that would be fun to do.
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Post by: pretre
 conker249 wrote:Just reading through Citadel journal #49(2002), and it has Sisters of Battle "Chapter approved" Drop pod strike force lists. I would love to try that out sometime. Drop pod Dominica pattern with 5x heavy bolters(or 5 Multi-meltas) No transport capability but that would be fun to do.
Oh god, I had forgotten about the CJ lists! That was another place we had to get our lists from for SOB back in the day. And people think FW isn't generally accepted. Should have tried to play a CJ list.
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Post by: Shadowbrand
If they got squatted. I'd have a field day watching the Sisters fandom summon a bloodthirster from the sheer amount of nerdrage that ensues.
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Post by: Lynata
pretre wrote:Oh god, I had forgotten about the CJ lists! That was another place we had to get our lists from for SOB back in the day.
The early Repentia rules were also kind of cool.
A Kamikaze Girl who stays behind to bind the enemy in CC whilst the squad she was attached to retreats. And if she actually does the impossible and manages to stay alive + kill all her opponents you get a Faith Point and any squad she joins suddenly becomes Faithful.
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Post by: godswildcard
See, stuff like the above posts are the EXACT reason I'm starting a SOB army. Just really, REALLY cool facets of it. Funny thing is, I've been doing this for so long (13 years this month!) but I've never really given them much thought.
I missed out!
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Post by: Jefffar
They aren't Squatted. The amount of presence the SoB have in the main rule book means they will be around.
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Post by: laginess
I'm glad they aren't squatted, when my friend manages to get that army up I'm looking forward to a unique and enjoyable experience.
That being said, what kind of advice could I give my friend for facing my armies (in my sig)?
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Post by: conker249
We also have Apoc formations Ive learned from WD #384, one for repentia and pentinent engines, and another for retributers. I wonder if I could use those still. WHY GW! SHOW SOME LOVE
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Post by: Troike
I think there's pretty good evidence that squatting isn't going to be that fate of the SoB. If anything, it seems that the main fear of those who've looked into the matter are that they'll be kept on the backburner for a long while yet, or that they'll get a lacklustre update. conker249 wrote:We also have Apoc formations Ive learned from WD #384, one for repentia and pentinent engines, and another for retributers. I wonder if I could use those still. WHY GW! SHOW SOME LOVE
Hopefully we'll get some Apoc formations via a supplement once new models are released. They probably didn't want to make any with the current metal models when they're planning to upgrade them. That's my theory, anyway. You know what'd be fun? Exorcist formation.
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Post by: labmouse42
 Shadowbrand wrote:If they got squatted. I'd have a field day watching the Sisters fandom summon a bloodthirster from the sheer amount of nerdrage that ensues.
Seriously, they are more hard core than any other fanboy section I've seen.
What's funny is most girls I know are not into sisters. My wife does not have a high impression of the models and has told me her opinion of them. Lets just say its not fit for Dakka.
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Post by: clively
I'd say that the little story in the GK book probably sums up what's going to happen to the sisters...
Namely, they are going to be sacrificed so that another book may yet live. In short, I wouldn't expect much, if anything, on them for a long time -- as in they are likely to be the last codex to be released prior to 7th ed; presuming, of course, that they really aren't sacrificed for protection against Daemons.
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Post by: Shadowbrand
I think there's pretty good evidence that squatting isn't going to be that fate of the SoB. If anything, it seems that the main fear of those who've looked into the matter are that they'll be kept on the backburner for a long while yet, or that they'll get a lacklustre update.
Yeah. But still a grizzled internet troll can hope eh? It would almost be as good as the amount of butthurt another gakky fandom had over the ending of a certain sci-fi game that basically all you did was feth aliens and fight grim reaper zombie robots.
Seriously, they are more hard core than any other fanboy section I've seen.
What's funny is most girls I know are not into sisters. My wife does not have a high impression of the models and has told me her opinion of them. Lets just say its not fit for Dakka.
Yeah, I hear you there. Models almost as old as me. And an army book that's part of a WD. Honestly Deathwatch and you never see 'em anymore and because of allies they are plausible. Inquisitorial Guardsmen.
I'd love to do up an army of Cadians and find decals of the ][ and stamp it on their helms.
And yeah. But i'd take SoB fanboys over Warmahorde Fanboys anyday of the month.
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Post by: vir6
Why oh why did I read this thread ._., now I feel bad that I put my SOB in a box in my bookcase for use later. I shall now have to do something with them >.>
on topic, A friend pushed me into starting 40k (well not forced but I planned on it and needed a pushing into it) and bought some models to plan on how I want to paint them ect. but the lack of having a hard codex (I looked for a WD and its stupidly hard to find outside of ebay) and only found pdfs I kind of put the project on the shelf or bookcase as it would be.
But yes when I looked for a army to play the only ones I liked were elder, guard and SOB and I think the SOB were hands down the ones I liked them most, the models looked amazing compared to others which seemed kind of bland (SPESS MARINES ) that said sisters did have a share of silly models, I think that hover round guy was the worst of it, thank god hes chilling over at the GK codex now. But I have high hopes that SOB will be given the codex treatment soon, but as a longtime EvE online player I know much about the "soon" that devs talk about, I really hope they don't get rolled into someone else's codex I don't really think they fit with anyone else.
*goes to pull the sisters off the bookcase*
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Post by: namiel
gw is holding their plastics and codex for some reason. it has to be finished
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Post by: Troike
 namiel wrote:gw is holding their plastics and codex for some reason. it has to be finished
Actually, as far as I know, we're unsure as to what the current status of plastic Sisters is. What we do know is that they had modelling issues which previously stopped them from being updated to plastic, though a reliable rumour source (hastings or Harry, one of those two) said that they were attempting to make plastic Sisters at some point in the past. 2011, IIRC. However, a recent statement by Jervis at the German Games Day could imply that they've have found a way forward with the models, since he reportedly said that Sisters are "definitely in the works". Fact is, we don't have any solid information here, so guesswork is all I can offer.
As for the codex, that likely hinges on the models. I'd expect a new codex to come with a new range of models and a lot of fanfare from GW, in hopes of getting lots of sales.
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Post by: Desteele
Actually, as far as I know, we're unsure as to what the current status of plastic Sisters is. What we do know is that they had modelling issues which previously stopped them from being updated to plastic, though a reliable rumour source (hastings or Harry, one of those two) said that they were attempting to make plastic Sisters at some point in the past. 2011, IIRC. However, a recent statement by Jervis at the German Games Day could imply that they've have found a way forward with the models, since he reportedly said that Sisters are "definitely in the works". Fact is, we don't have any solid information here, so guesswork is all I can offer.
Well according to the quote below the prodiution problems are in the past.
Check out the third paragraph from the end
A couple of these ones got some further points. It was mentioned that originally there had been a technical problem with developing Sisters plastics, but that Games Workshop would now have the technology to be able to do them.
This came from this site
http://the-responsible-one.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/enter-citadel-ask-audience-we-want-to.html
Which was from this Dakka thread
/ http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/534987.page post at 23/07/2013 05:27
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Post by: Melissia
But even that's pretty old news.
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Post by: Troike
Good to hear. Thanks for posting, Desteele.
Just last month, actually. Unless they've outright said that they were past the modelling issues before?
In any case, excellent news for the Sisters. I'd go so far as to say that the fear of them being squatted has been pretty much invalidated. Now all we need to worry about is the update's quality...
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