Straight trade.

Me - Bunch of tau

Him - Bunch of Grey Knights

Packaged everything up and sent out on 8/12. Was signed for on 8/14 by customer's first initial last name.

Have yet to hear anything from member since 8/11.

Upon further investigation I have found that the trader has another name on this forum, norm0041 with a previous transaction report filed. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/541142.page

After googling their address I have a phone number which does not have a voice mail setup, but I plan to continue calling.

If I don't get a response this week I plan on contacting the local police.

Sounds like he did try to screw you.......Plus i am pretty sure the two forum user names is a ban right there.

it seems the phone number associated with the address is an old number from when it was a bed and breakfast.

I guess I will wait to see if anything happens this weekend before contacting the police.

Wreeper007, how do you know this is the same person as norm0041?

Please just post generally (ie do not actually post any personal information, such as his address) but I do not see the connection from looking at that thread... so I assume you must have PM'ed someone who traded with norm0041 and the addresses match... or something similar?

Well to clarify the double accounts thing, that was a buddy of mines he was having me use the account and address for him while he moved. And I've messaged Wreeper007.

CjRex wrote:
Well to clarify the double accounts thing, that was a buddy of mines he was having me use the account and address for him while he moved. And I've messaged Wreeper007.

Can you clarify the status of the promised trade on your end?

I haven't received anything. I've not been home last week, as my mom hasn't told me of any packages. I've not nor has my mother signed for any package containing tau. I've look on my front porch and back and both side of my house and haven't seen anything.

I feel safe posting this since neither of our addresses are on here.

https://www.fedex.com/fedextrack/?tracknumbers=795810414168&cntry_code=us&language=english

CjRex, how do you explain it having been signed for and marked as delivered, then?

wreeper007, you never posted how you made the connection between norm0041 and CjRex (other than CjRex's post indicating such above)?

Ok sure but that's not how you spell my name, I've signe my name plenty of times, I know how to sign my name. Someone else must have signed for it. I know for a fact that I nor my mother signed for it. I don't have his tau, if I did I would have sent the GK half off by now.

Main evidence comes from 2 sets of threads and maybe a coincidence.

The first is a pair of threads looking for games in or around 22539.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/517652.page#5453218
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/544671.page#5921345

The second is a pair of similar swap shop threads

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/537464.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/543522.page

In the above thread by norm0041, a photobucket account is linked, http://www.photobucket.com/profile/cjrex.

The coincidence is that both people, living in a smaller town in Virginia, hours from any store, would both disappear for an amount of time after shipment of a trade has happened and it was signed for, then claim that it wasn't delivered.

If I am wrong then I apologize, but I see too much similarity to just dismiss it.

cjrex has contacted me, saying that no package has been received by them. Fedex says it was signed for and the person that signed for it has the same initial and similar spelling for their last name as the member. This is generated when the fedex person, during delivery, asks for their name after they sign. It is entirely possible that that employee did not add the extra e in the last name, which is very possible.

I don't see where it say says a name, someone signed for it at that address and if you were not home last week, why try and initiate a trade before you able to send your part of the deal.

This doesn't sound right and wreeper007 has a pretty good case.

(I see the signature name now)

When you click on the fedex link, right under delivered it says who signed for it. It says CKELLY.

As I said that is my friends account I was using it while he moved and the name CjRex is a nickname said friend gave me. That's why the photobucket has the name CjRex. I was using his photobuket on the last few pictures for trading purposes, the imperial fists early in the album are his that he painted.

Again I would send the grey knight if the tau where here. I have the grey knights still packed up in my closest waiting.

That photobucket link no longer works.

I wait to send so if something like this happens, the tau where never received, I don't lose out. I just turned 18 and still live with my mother so she is the one who said what happened when. When this trade was being finalized I was still 17.

wreeper007 wrote:
I feel safe posting this since neither of our addresses are on here.

https://www.fedex.com/fedextrack/?tracknumbers=795810414168&cntry_code=us&language=english

Ok that would appear to be good proof..........

CjRex wrote:
I wait to send so if something like this happens, the tau where never received, I don't lose out. I just turned 18 and still live with my mother so she is the one who said what happened when. When this trade was being finalized I was still 17.

And this sounds like that they must of shown up........I would contact the "Mother" and see what happens.

I logged in to it fine.


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And when I say what happened when, I mean when my half gets shipped.

 Witch King of Angmar wrote:

CjRex wrote:
I wait to send so if something like this happens, the tau where never received, I don't lose out. I just turned 18 and still live with my mother so she is the one who said what happened when. When this trade was being finalized I was still 17.

And this sounds like that they must of shown up........I would contact the "Mother" and see what happens.

Agreed, I would attempt contact with someone else in the home.

 curran12 wrote:

 Witch King of Angmar wrote:

CjRex wrote:
I wait to send so if something like this happens, the tau where never received, I don't lose out. I just turned 18 and still live with my mother so she is the one who said what happened when. When this trade was being finalized I was still 17.

And this sounds like that they must of shown up........I would contact the "Mother" and see what happens.

Agreed, I would attempt contact with someone else in the home.

Probably best to contact them through the local police service if they are showing a complete unwillingness to ship (which they seem to be), despite the fact that they are documented as having signed for it.

The link works, but I put the . at the end.

http://www.photobucket.com/profile/cjrex

I don't have the tau tho, so it's not an unwillingness to ship I don't have my half.

CjRex wrote:
I don't have the tau tho, so it's not an unwillingness to ship I don't have my half.

Fedex isn't known for screwing up.........I would say ship him his stuff man or you will most likely end up with the police phoning your mom. (At least from what it says above)

CjRex wrote:
I don't have the tau tho, so it's not an unwillingness to ship I don't have my half.

The problem is, there is only you saying that, and the whole to do with a previous account linked with scamming, whether that was actually you or not (and you cannot prove that it wasn't, while there is some evidence to suggest that it was) has left your word as worth a bit less than the postage company, who are saying that it was delivered and signed for.

One can be proven, and one can not be. And it is the aggrieved party who has the proof so far. So he(/she) would be perfectly in their rights to ask the police to step in and retrieve their items, which they have good reason to believe have arrived.

Anyway I should stop posting here, as it is a TR and I'm not actually involved. Sorry mods.

If CjRex doesn't come clean, I'm willing to drive down to his place, please PM his address I'll find the missing items for you.

Well the police won't have anything to ship to him beacuse I don't have the tau. If I did the knights would have been shipped. And what my buddy has done doesn't prove anything against me. I don't scam, ill ask around my neighborhood and see if anyone got it by mistake, or if they have seen anything.

I still believe a call to the police is in order.

Stormbreed wrote:
If CjRex doesn't come clean, I'm willing to drive down to his place, please PM his address I'll find the missing items for you.

I know I said I was out, but you shouldn't make comments like this, especially when something may be escalated to police involvement by the end. They will not take things as seriously if there are random threats of driving down to sort things out. Even if you didn't intend it as a threat, it is one of the ways that this could be taken.

And that's fine, I have nothing to hide.

CjRex wrote:
And that's fine, I have nothing to hide.

A threat by law has nothing to do with the conversation.

I just want to get his place of living, go down and talk to him face to face, I'll be going through that area this weekend.

I don't think that calling the police is needed, but if he does then so be it I have nothing to hide, I don't have his tau.


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Stormbreed wrote:

CjRex wrote:
And that's fine, I have nothing to hide.

A threat by law has nothing to do with the conversation.

I just want to get his place of living, go down and talk to him face to face, I'll be going through that area this weekend.

I wouldn't come down If I where you beacuse it's not my place it's my moms and she won't take to kindly to a stranger showing up asking for me. Police are one thing but a stranger is a whole other

I'm dealing with facts right now. Facts only.

I am dealing with FedEx to retrieve the digital signature right now.

When I receive that I will take appropriate action, wether it involves filing a claim with FedEx or the police has yet to be fully determined.

CjRex wrote:
I don't think that calling the police is needed, but if he does then so be it I have nothing to hide, I don't have his tau.

But somebody does, as they were signed for under your name, or potentially your name. Does anyone living at the family name share the same initial as yourself? Perhaps if they do, you need to speak to them.

The paper trail ends at your door, and considering you are under a bit of a cloud already, regardless of your involvement, you are tainted by association, the onus is on you to provide a plausible reason, supported by evidence, as to why you don't have a package FedEx claim to have delivered directly into the hands of someone who appears to share your name.

I have to confess, your posts don't read like you're overly concerned, which is concerning in itself.

But as others have said, not my TR, that's my say had.

I'm not overly concerned because I know I don't have the tau. And from what azreal13 said, I can see why I'm being put under the microscope, and am tainted by association. But I never signed for it, nor did my mother. And no one lives with my mother and I. It's just us.

This doesn't look good, unless you and your friend share the same user name on the Iron Fist League website.

Here is a post on the IFl site by Correy Kelley about an 1850pt eldar list - http://www.the-ifl.com/forums/Warhammer-40k/40k-Lists/1850-eldar-ig/

Here is a post on Dakka by norm0041 about an 1850pt eldar list - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/541937.page

Here is a post on IFL looking to sell Grey Knights - http://www.the-ifl.com/forums/General/Swap-Shop/91h93-gk-sw-91w93-tau-eldar-chaos/

And here is a post on Dakka looking to sell Grey Knights - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/543522.page

No that's me on IFL, but it proves nothing, I put it up their the same time as up here. And again I was using his profile on here. I made mine after he was done moving because he didn't want me on it.

So to summarise for work blocked or lazy,

Two near identical posts made under the same username on IFL were made here, each post under a different username and one of which appears to be a known scammer.

This can only end well!

Norm here, cj saying I allowed him to use my profile while I was moving is indeed true

Norm0041 is not a scammer, nor am I. And I just said I was using his account on here. That's why my name matches the IFL. And my post matches the one here.

Can't a mod just check both the IP's that just posted?

I think so, if they can please ask one to check.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/541142.page

There are many echoes in this thread and the link I posted.

norm0041's last post before this was to essentially bump CjRex's trade thread, I am curious why, if you know each other, you didn't just do trades before CjRex posted the remainder on Dakka?

norm0041 and CjRex also appear to have similar posting habits (almost exclusively in 40K Lists and Swap Shop)

Not levelling accusations at this point, but circumstantial evidence seems quite telling.

Because I was using his account, and ya that would have been me bumping my own stuff cuz I needed it gone. So ya that's a no no on my part. Sorry.

Didnt Norm0041 have a transaction report not to long ago filed?

Ok

I am asking these questions not to accuse but to try and get the whole story, so please don't feel persecuted, but which one of you claimed not to receive the package, despite tracking info to the contrary, and seemed to miraculously locate it in their mailbox when put under some pressure?


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 SheSpits wrote:
Didnt Norm0041 have a transaction report not to long ago filed?

Yeah, I posted the link, you're in it!

Yes, and I have the items for that trade. Ill be sending them out soon.

CjRex wrote:
Yes, and I have the items for that trade. Ill be sending them out soon.

You'll be sending norm0041's models?

Why? Especially as that transaction report seems to have been resolved?

I haven't received the tau.


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No the items for the person in the report.

Ok, I think we are at cross purposes here.

Please state who's models you are sending out soon, by username.

Tmo38, I have his guardsmen.

Ok, correct me if I've got anything wrong.

You have had two transaction reports opened against you, under two different usernames.

In both cases, your defence was that you had yet to receive the package, despite tracking info to the contrary, but have apparently discovered the first package once pressure was applied via the Transaction Report.

Despite RiTides posting in the other TR that the issue had been resolved, the user who opened that TR is still waiting to receive their models.

You have a lot of explaining to do mate, best case scenario you're an appalling trader, and need to sort some things out before continuing to do business. Worst case, well, that goes without saying.

My mother had gotten it and put it on her desk under paper work. After that I haven't had the money to send it. I do now and will be sending them. Norms house had caught fire that's why he moved and couldn't finish it, I got the half for Tmo38 and will be sending it soon.

CjRex wrote:
My mother had gotten it and put it on her desk under paper work. After that I haven't had the money to send it. I do now and will be sending them. Norms house had caught fire that's why he moved and couldn't finish it, I got the half for Tmo38 and will be sending it soon.

I'm just going to let this beautiful, beautiful statement stand on its own merits.

No further questions your honour.

I'd also like to point out that in addition to allegedly defrauding OP, CjRex and Norm0041 have violated 18 USC § 1030 by using a computer system to defraud him, and, if they are two different people and not one person using two online personas, participated in a criminal conspiracy, both felonies under federal law. I'd recommend contacing the United States attorney in CjRex's area, they're in a much better position to investigate and prosecute these sorts of cases than most local police departments. You can find the US Attorney at this website: http://www.justice.gov/usao/districts/

That's not needed, it's not fraud. It's a case of things haven't been received and Tmo38's stuff being misplaced. Like I've said if I had the tau I would send the knights.

CjRex wrote:
My mother had gotten it and put it on her desk under paper work. After that I haven't had the money to send it. I do now and will be sending them. Norms house had caught fire that's why he moved and couldn't finish it, I got the half for Tmo38 and will be sending it soon.

, I think I pissed my self laughing so hard.

Noir wrote:

CjRex wrote:
My mother had gotten it and put it on her desk under paper work. After that I haven't had the money to send it. I do now and will be sending them. Norms house had caught fire that's why he moved and couldn't finish it, I got the half for Tmo38 and will be sending it soon.

, I think I pissed my self laughing so hard.

i think i need a new pair of pants.

 Witch King of Angmar wrote:

Noir wrote:

CjRex wrote:
My mother had gotten it and put it on her desk under paper work. After that I haven't had the money to send it. I do now and will be sending them. Norms house had caught fire that's why he moved and couldn't finish it, I got the half for Tmo38 and will be sending it soon.

, I think I pissed my self laughing so hard.

i think i need a new pair of pants.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what he's trying to say...

Ok well this can all stop right now, I've found the tau, my brother had them, he thought it was parts for his car Che had delivered by FedEx. He jut showed up with them, I'm gonna send the tau back and call it a lose.

Well it won't stop until you complete the deal as promised really, unless the OP agrees to you just sending back his tau and violating the deal.

CjRex wrote:
Ok well this can all stop right now, I've found the tau, my brother had them, he thought it was parts for his car Che had delivered by FedEx. He jut showed up with them, I'm gonna send the tau back and call it a lose.

Wow, the package turned up when you were pressured through a transaction report? Again?!?!

Dude, let me be blunt, you don't have the, lets call it talent, to be doing what you're doing, so please stop. This is a small, vigilant community that doesn't take kindly to bad apples.

But I do got to know one thing, why did your brother think a package delivered to the address where you stated only you and your mother live, think it was for him, especially assuming it had your name on it?!!

EDIT @OP You now have written proof that CjRex is in possession of your models. If you do not receive your half of the trade, or your models are not returned to you in a reasonable time frame, kindly take this as far as legally possible, some people are a little slow to learn with the softly softly approach, a sound rap across the nose with a newspaper can often provide greater results in far less time.

Because my brother is a drunk. As he had parts shipped to our house cuz his car broke down at our house. So when the parts got their, or what he thought where his parts he left and had his car towed. He's not very bright.

CjRex wrote:
Ok well this can all stop right now, I've found the tau, my brother had them, he thought it was parts for his car Che had delivered by FedEx. He jut showed up with them, I'm gonna send the tau back and call it a lose.

You sure that is way, not that you never had the Knight in the first place?

And it's not like that. I never had the tau, he just showed up. But I'm not gonna expect anyone to believe that. But once I have his stuff shipped off I'm gonna ask that my account be shut down. And not use dakka anymore.


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Noir wrote:

CjRex wrote:
Ok well this can all stop right now, I've found the tau, my brother had them, he thought it was parts for his car Che had delivered by FedEx. He jut showed up with them, I'm gonna send the tau back and call it a lose.

You sure that is way, not that you never had the Knight in the first place?

Yup cuz I have the knights. I never had the tau.

You don't need your account shut down, just don't use Dakka any more! Simples.

Please ensure those people who have been affected by the run of luck you and norm0041 have been on (dead uncle AND house burned down? Yikes, my condolences) have restitution before you leave.

Let put it this way, the only way anyone would even think of beliving you is if you upheld the deal you made, and sent the Grey Knights since you have the Tau. I know it might be hard, but adults stick to the word.

I thought you said it was just you and your mom who lived at the house when did your brother come into the equation

 pities2004 wrote:
I thought you said it was just you and your mom who lived at the house when did your brother come into the equation

 azreal13 wrote:

CjRex wrote:
Ok well this can all stop right now, I've found the tau, my brother had them, he thought it was parts for his car Che had delivered by FedEx. He jut showed up with them, I'm gonna send the tau back and call it a lose.

Wow, the package turned up when you were pressured through a transaction report? Again?!?!

Dude, let me be blunt, you don't have the, lets call it talent, to be doing what you're doing, so please stop. This is a small, vigilant community that doesn't take kindly to bad apples.

But I do got to know one thing, why did your brother think a package delivered to the address where you stated only you and your mother live, think it was for him, especially assuming it had your name on it?!!
.

CjRex wrote:
Because my brother is a drunk. As he had parts shipped to our house cuz his car broke down at our house. So when the parts got their, or what he thought where his parts he left and had his car towed. He's not very bright.

I'd rather have the grey knights as originally planned.

 azreal13 wrote:

 pities2004 wrote:
I thought you said it was just you and your mom who lived at the house when did your brother come into the equation

 azreal13 wrote:

CjRex wrote:
Ok well this can all stop right now, I've found the tau, my brother had them, he thought it was parts for his car Che had delivered by FedEx. He jut showed up with them, I'm gonna send the tau back and call it a lose.

Wow, the package turned up when you were pressured through a transaction report? Again?!?!

Dude, let me be blunt, you don't have the, lets call it talent, to be doing what you're doing, so please stop. This is a small, vigilant community that doesn't take kindly to bad apples.

But I do got to know one thing, why did your brother think a package delivered to the address where you stated only you and your mother live, think it was for him, especially assuming it had your name on it?!!
.

CjRex wrote:
Because my brother is a drunk. As he had parts shipped to our house cuz his car broke down at our house. So when the parts got their, or what he thought where his parts he left and had his car towed. He's not very bright.

I think THIS info sounds so fishy i am eating tarter sauce well reading.

wreeper007 wrote:
I'd rather have the grey knights as originally planned.

At this stage, I'd take what you can get mate, I'm glad I could get an admission of receipt out of him for you though.

Oh I know, I'd just rather have the trade completed as originally planned.

Schenagins or not, he would have kept his word and that is honorable atleast.

 Witch King of Angmar wrote:

CjRex wrote:
I don't have the tau tho, so it's not an unwillingness to ship I don't have my half.

Fedex isn't known for screwing up.........I would say ship him his stuff man or you will most likely end up with the police phoning your mom. (At least from what it says above)

As a fedex employee, and a delivery guy at that. you can contact the terminal it was delivered from and most likely the driver will remember the package/who signed for it, especially if it was dropped off at a neighbors(witch we dont do when signatures are needed)

Just keep this thread updated wreeper, sounds like it will all be resolved which is good and less messy.

 azreal13 wrote:
Ok, correct me if I've got anything wrong.

You have had two transaction reports opened against you, under two different usernames.

In both cases, your defence was that you had yet to receive the package, despite tracking info to the contrary, but have apparently discovered the first package once pressure was applied via the Transaction Report.

Despite RiTides posting in the other TR that the issue had been resolved, the user who opened that TR is still waiting to receive their models.

You have a lot of explaining to do mate, best case scenario you're an appalling trader, and need to sort some things out before continuing to do business. Worst case, well, that goes without saying.

I just want to point out that I did not want to lock that thread... the OP insisted that we lock it, for some reason, even though they apparently have still not received their items! It is now unlocked and I posted a link to this thread, along with the quote from CjRex that he has yet to ship tm038's models. That TR is here, for reference:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/541142.page

CjRex wrote:
Ok well this can all stop right now, I've found the tau, my brother had them, he thought it was parts for his car Che had delivered by FedEx. He jut showed up with them, I'm gonna send the tau back and call it a lose.

CjRex, please keep us updated ASAP on when these models ship, as well as the models for tm038. This is 2 outstanding transaction reports against you. I'm also acquainted with a lot of the members of the Iron Fist League, so if it comes to it they can be involved (as well as the police, as wreeper has considered). Please do the right thing, save yourself any further consequences, and ship both packages tomorrow (Saturday). The post office should be open until about 2pm. Whatever you need to tell your mother to get there, it is better than the alternative of people telling her you have been negligent in trading... not to mention the police.

So again, please keep us updated, and resolve this ASAP now that you have found the models in question. There should never be such a long delay before sending your half of a trade out, particularly with tm038's models, which have been due for over a month!

I will get them out ASAP but it will have to wait till Monday. As my mom has work and do not have the tau on me, I left to go vist my father. I will let you know when they are shipped out. And I was never trying to scam him so please keep the IFL and the police out if this. I will get them out ASAP.

Okay, I look forward to seeing your update on Monday, and will wait to contact the IFL until after that point... hopefully, it will not be necessary if you follow through here.

im beginning to think these grey knights have already been traded. They are packaged and ready to go apparently, sitting in his closet.

The sad part is, I was actually looking forward to the grey knights.

I might have to send it Tuesday, because work is calling me in. I have to leave early so I might not be able to get their when they are open. And I get off late. Ill keep posted.

I can almost guarantee that if you do not keep your word on sending Monday that police SHOULD get involved. Getting called in to work is fine, but really you should have told them that you need to get this handled either before you can come in or in the middle of the shift.

This is where responsibility kicks in. If you didn't want to be in this position, then you really shouldn't have tried your hand at trading if you couldn't handle something going wrong. I've had a TR against me before, and when it came up I handled it immediately.

I would caution those who are waiting for resolution not to accept any further excuses.

Excuses used so far:
I never got them.
My buddy used my account before.
It was under some paperwork
I didn't have enough money to send them
My brother signed for it
My buddies house burned down
Mom has work and I'm off at daddy's house and didn't think to bring the items with me to send out.

This behavior is unacceptable. Grow up.

 Aerethan wrote:
I can almost guarantee that if you do not keep your word on sending Monday that police SHOULD get involved. Getting called in to work is fine, but really you should have told them that you need to get this handled either before you can come in or in the middle of the shift.

This is where responsibility kicks in. If you didn't want to be in this position, then you really shouldn't have tried your hand at trading if you couldn't handle something going wrong. I've had a TR against me before, and when it came up I handled it immediately.

I would caution those who are waiting for resolution not to accept any further excuses.

Excuses used so far:
I never got them.
My buddy used my account before.
It was under some paperwork
I didn't have enough money to send them
My brother signed for it
My buddies house burned down
Mom has work and I'm off at daddy's house and didn't think to bring the items with me to send out.

This behavior is unacceptable. Grow up.

Well I'm not making excuses, things happen. You not apart of this so stay out please stay out of it. I'm doing my best, I'm not giving you my life story but life has not been easy lately. It's not like I'm not trying.

CjRex, I will give you until Tuesday (tomorrow) evening before I contact the Iron Fist league regarding this. That's a one day extension and there can be no further excuse on it not going out by tomorrow.

I just had to delete a piling on post. Please keep this thread clear for those involved to get their items shipped, or to coordinate action regarding contacting the police / parents / etc if it becomes necessary. Thank you.

CjRex wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
I can almost guarantee that if you do not keep your word on sending Monday that police SHOULD get involved. Getting called in to work is fine, but really you should have told them that you need to get this handled either before you can come in or in the middle of the shift.

This is where responsibility kicks in. If you didn't want to be in this position, then you really shouldn't have tried your hand at trading if you couldn't handle something going wrong. I've had a TR against me before, and when it came up I handled it immediately.

I would caution those who are waiting for resolution not to accept any further excuses.

Excuses used so far:
I never got them.
My buddy used my account before.
It was under some paperwork
I didn't have enough money to send them
My brother signed for it
My buddies house burned down
Mom has work and I'm off at daddy's house and didn't think to bring the items with me to send out.

This behavior is unacceptable. Grow up.

Well I'm not making excuses, things happen. You not apart of this so stay out please stay out of it. I'm doing my best, I'm not giving you my life story but life has not been easy lately. It's not like I'm not trying.

I am a part of this and it is unacceptable.

You have until tuesday 6pm your time (which is the fedex/ups drop off) to get me a tracking number or I will be contacting the police and reporting stolen property.

I go to fedex today after work and pickup the copy of the digital signature. I will post that image in this thread.

I have been patient so far. Don't test me.

I'm not trying to test you, things happen I can't control, I'm not gonna lose my job over this. And it's not stolen, it's not like I've been trying to scam you. So call them if you so well please, but I'm doing my best. And I thank you for being patient, I understand that this has most likely rubbed you the wrong way and made you aggravated. But I can only control so much.

So ship tomorrow, and this will be resolved. No excuses.

Was just messaged that the package has been shipped. No tracking number though, so we shall see.

I've rarely seen disputes with no tracking info resolved satisfactorily. It's a shady practice.

At the very least Delivery Confirmation costs like $.75.

Crap like this is why I almost never trade with people, and when I do I cover my ass.

I truly hope this gets resolved for you Wreeper, it's an unfortunate situation to be in.

Priority mail and standard post both include tracking for free. First class requires the additional fee.

Yeah, if you don't get a tracking number I'd still go ahead and file a police report.

This really stinks of stalling. I'm sure the police will tell you to wait a few days to see if the items turn up, but it will be good to start laying the groundwork now.

Agreed. This reeks of him trying to buy time. Get your groundwork done now and get the police in the loop.

Just got a message saying that he ran in and ran out but should be here wednesday or thursday.

I told him that the number would be on his receipt and that it covers him having sent it if I never receive it.

If he's managed to upload pictures on the forum (which I don't know if he has before, but...), it would stand to reason that he can take a picture of the receipt from the transaction at the post office and post it here.

Ask for him to post a picture of it for you, so you can absolutely confirm it's been sent.

I'm very sorry you're going through this. It just seems like he's had one excuse after the other. Hope this resolves quickly for you.

He used USPS, so no tracking number on the receipt.

Given the history of behaviour displayed here even seeing a picture of a receipt with the correct date would be helpful.

wreeper007 wrote:
He used USPS, so no tracking number on the receipt.

Just keep everyone updated, the Northern Virginia/Maryland area has very active clubs, and many users, I believe RITides mentioned he was, and I am, are in the area and know the folks. So, worst comes to worse, pressure can be applied from a club level (pressure as in social, no weird "rawr physical violence" meaning to this) to have the situation resolved amicably.

wreeper007 wrote:
He used USPS, so no tracking number on the receipt.

While USPS doesn't provide tracking without additional fees, their receipts ALWAYS display the city and zip code of their delivery destination.

That in of itself should suffice that he's at least sending it in your direction, though it hardly makes up for all the trouble you've been through over this.

Target is exactly right, so just post up whether you receive it by the end of the week or not.

Everyone posting that he should take a picture of the receipt are correct, of course. However, I'd like to ask folks to wait on the resolution of that (I'm sure wreeper007 has asked) rather than to continue to post here about it.

Despite the delay, CjRex has responded here, and hopefully has now shipped. If that is not the case, there will of course be consequences. But in the spirit of not fostering witch hunts on Dakka... let's wait a few days and see what the results are.

But wreeper007, please do update if you receive a picture of the receipt or not- if there is no receipt pic and the package does not arrive by the end of the week, that will be pretty clear evidence that the next step needs to be taken with the local clubs, his parents, and/or the authorities.

wreeper007 wrote:
He used USPS, so no tracking number on the receipt.

This is not true, all USPS receipts have the number printed on the receipt. I've been doing it for years, and just did this the other day on 8/12. They don't even give you the Delivery Confirmation paper anymore, it's all on the receipt under 'Label #' .

wreeper007 wrote:
He used USPS, so no tracking number on the receipt.

This is bull, I standard shipping comes with Delivery Confirmation now for free, and priority mail comes with tracking for free, both of those are on your receipt.

USPS always provides tracking on the receipt. Your just eating what ever he feeds you. Stop being nice and call the police already.

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Actually the number not being on the receipt was from my memory. That wasn't his saying at all.

Apparently I wasn't clear enough. If you are not involved in the trade, at this point please do not post here further until we have an update. Further posts will likely be deleted, and if appropriate warnings issued.

Thank you...

Thursday, still no package.

Have requested an image of the receipt and tracking number twice. No response.

I'd say wait until 6pm local time, which should be the absolute latest for any deliveries.

At that point, police it up.

wreeper007 wrote:
Thursday, still no package.

Have requested an image of the receipt and tracking number twice. No response.

Perhaps his Internet caught fire and died?

I kid.

Do the mods have it in their power to check last login? That way we could establish ignoring vs not received (or legged it, which, I fear is getting increasingly likely)

Admins do, not sure about mods, although they could easily request that info from LegoBurner if need be. Not sure if admins release it or not.

I'd say this situation is ready for the 5.0

I pull up 2 Sheriff's and a Police Department. How do I check who has jurisdiction?

wreeper007 wrote:
I pull up 2 Sheriff's and a Police Department. How do I check who has jurisdiction?

I would honestly just call the first Sheriff's number you find and explain the situation. Jurisdiction is a bit of a strange thing as some police departments have very limited jurisdiction within a county while the Sheriff's department will cover the entirety of a county.

--Apologies to RiTides for jumping in like this, but I had to deal with the same kind of jurisdictional tag when I had my credit card used fraudulently last year.

Yeah, just try one and ask. If they can help you, great, if not they'll probably point you in the right direction.

Yeah once you call one department, if it's not the right jurisdiction they will send you in the right direction with the correct information to expedite the process.

I use my iPhone so I don't think I can post pictures, and something has been going on in my area, I haven't had any reception. I am out of my house right now. The USPS some how never sent it, so ill be getting it out tomorrow. And if it make everyone feel better and to shut up, (those that are not mods or wreeper) ill post a tracking number if I get one tomorrow. If I don't ill ask wreeper for his email and email him a picture of the receipt. And no this is not an excuse but I have been evicted from my house today and have till the end of September to move. So right now calling the cops would not help.

Seriously?

Wreeper, this guy has put you through enough hoops, stick with your plan to call the police.

Yes Seriously, and your not a part of it. I could careless what you think. I'm shipping them out tomorrow so calling the cops won't do any good. Other than cause more problems for me. If I don't tomorrow I wouldn't blame him, but it's just gonna cause more of a problem.

Post a pic of the receipt tomorrow, otherwise at this point there is no reason to believe you. If you do not post the pic tomorrow I will go ahead with contacting the IFL.

That said, unconnected parties please keep this thread clear, especially if nothing is shown tomorrow, for those involved to coordinate action. Thank you.

wreeper007 wrote:Was just messaged that the package has been shipped. No tracking number though, so we shall see.

CjRex wrote:Yes Seriously, and your not a part of it. I could careless what you think. I'm shipping them out tomorrow so calling the cops won't do any good. Other than cause more problems for me. If I don't tomorrow I wouldn't blame him, but it's just gonna cause more of a problem.

This is way he said Seriously the bold parts.

Yes, the discrepancy is obvious. Receipt tomorrow, or that's it.

Well RiTides, can you message me your email or should I just send it to wreeper? Cuz as I said I do everything from my phone, so I can't post pictures.

I've PM'ed you my email address.

I've emailed RITides the receipt of shipping, and waiting for wreeper to send me his email so I can send him a picture of the receipt as well.




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I've emailed wreeper, and I'm now done with dakka. If a mod or admin what's to delete my account go for it as I will no longer be using dakka.

Hopefully someone can make sure this guy doesn't ever get back on Dakka.

CjRex wrote:
I've emailed RITides the receipt of shipping, and waiting for wreeper to send me his email so I can send him a picture of the receipt as well.




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I've emailed wreeper, and I'm now done with dakka. If a mod or admin what's to delete my account go for it as I will no longer be using dakka.

Wreeper can you confirm? Pic won't open on my phone; with family for the holiday.

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https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction!input.action?tLabels=9114901159815058664292

Theres a saying when it comes to soccer players being rumoured to be transferred

"In the shirt, on the pitch"

Meaning, until you see them playing, things can still go wrong, the same applies here.

Box delivered, models in hand, so to speak.

I assume we have a similar reciept for the norm0041 trade?

norm0041 has admitted to me though that he has recived my part of the trade and yeat i still dont have the promissed minis

 tmo38 wrote:
norm0041 has admitted to me though that he has recived my part of the trade and yeat i still dont have the promissed minis

Actually, and I understand that you may have lost track with all the to-ing and for-ing, but CjRex actually claims to have your minis.

At this point, it is fair to assume that they are the same user, or that it makes no difference which is concerned.

If you haven't received a receipt, despite promises from CjRex that they would be posted, I suggest you now start to utilise all legal and moral avenues open to you in order to pressure CjRex into shipping the minis or at least getting legal recourse.

Have you received the package, wreeper?

CjRex / norm0041, has tmo38's package been sent?

Cjrex said in an earlier post that he was trying to delete his dakka i would give advise never ship to reedville and weried part isthe name on the fedex report was norm0041's name not going to state the full name just incase but that was the exact spelling

Sorry to post here as im not involved. However like many people i've been following this thread on a almost daily level. Any package received?

Tmo38 my real life friend, and close neighbor, has received nothing to date.

So it's been over a week since said package was sent, are norm and wreeper still working on getting the authorities involved ?

the tracking on the package has it arriving today. should arrive around 1 for me.


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I have received the package.

Somehow my carefully sorted and un assembled mini have assembled themselves, then threw themselves into the box and then broke in transit.

Shocking....

I plan to catalog and see what all is actually missing from my original shipment.


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Everything is here (plus some extra broadside bits I believe.

Numerous broken antennas, several broken ankles on the crisis suits. Nothing beyond repair.

Still, overall a pretty gakky trader.

And him and his "friend" are the same, shipping addresses matched.

He did ship my product back to me, albeit in much worse condition.

Still, I believe I will be posting this information in the ifl.

Wow, I would say take him vs destruction of property or something but I think thats going to far for antennas :/

Agreed. Too bad I can't bring charges for general dbaggery.

If you do contact the IFL, please mention that one user still has not received their items back- tmo38. If CjRex does not respond here soon I'm going to ask Target if he can talk to the IFL about it, since we have his full name from the shipping addresses and also the email address used... so, if he's a gamer with the group, and obviously a younger person, hopefully they can talk sense into him about shipping back tmo38's items.

Now this is resolved (to a greater or lesser degree) I feel safe enough that I can post.....

SHOCKING!

I've had 1 successful experience on here and am mid way through another trade....it's such a shame that a select few ruin a great idea...I know I'm nervous about trading after reading this!

Always check for +1s on people you trade with.

This has been a pretty bad experience for everyone involved. I hope tmo gets his stuff.

Glad the wreeper got his stuff. Shame that it was all damaged, and not as described.

 aapch45 wrote:
Always check for +1s on people you trade with.

This has been a pretty bad experience for everyone involved. I hope tmo gets his stuff.

Glad the wreeper got his stuff. Shame that it was all damaged, and not as described.

Has the rep list been updated? IIRC it was pretty much laid to rest last year in anticipation of a new system that hasn't been rolled out yet.

Edit: It was last updated in January. Its still a good resource for people who traded actively prior to 2013 though.

 warboss wrote:

 aapch45 wrote:
Always check for +1s on people you trade with.

This has been a pretty bad experience for everyone involved. I hope tmo gets his stuff.

Glad the wreeper got his stuff. Shame that it was all damaged, and not as described.

Has the rep list been updated? IIRC it was pretty much laid to rest last year in anticipation of a new system that hasn't been rolled out yet.

Edit: It was last updated in January. Its still a good resource for people who traded actively prior to 2013 though.

Even without it being updated it can still serve the same purpose. Just search "username +" in the swap shop and it brings up their entries.

Unfortunately not everyone reciprocates with a + even when a friendly reminder is asked.

 warboss wrote:
Has the rep list been updated? IIRC it was pretty much laid to rest last year in anticipation of a new system that hasn't been rolled out yet.

Edit: It was last updated in January. Its still a good resource for people who traded actively prior to 2013 though.

Warboss is right, it was put into a dormant state this year in anticipation of a sweet new system... which Will be sweet, but just isn't ready yet!

For someone who had no feedback prior to this year, it will not be as useful. But, for someone that new to trading on this site, you will want to take extra precautions anyway.

That said- now that that is addressed, please keep this thread clear to allow tmo38 to try to recover his items from CjRex, as well.

i have received 0 emails or pms from cjrex

Geez assembled, so cj rex was flat out lying. Or did the pieces randomly assemble in route.

We have all been on mail watch for tmo's stuff for a while now...... not a thing

Sorry to bring his back up, was just wondering where everyone was with this transaction. Has everything been returned? Has the IFL been notified of this?

I'm not attached to any transactions so please forgive me, but I wanted to make sure all was settled.

After all: "A moment of laxity spawns an eternity of Hersey." Or something like that.

nope still haven't received my minis