There is a special place in hell reserved for asshats like these guys....I hope someone finds them before the police do...
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/23/20145461-wwii-vet-88-brutally-beaten-to-death-in-spokane-wash?lite

Don't know how people can do stuff like this to people.

 ironicsilence wrote:
I hope someone finds them before the police do...

I do too. A few crazy rednecks would do an appropriate job with those two.

Are we seriously advocating vigilante justice in this thread?

With the redneck reference it even sounds like there is a call for a lynch mob by post #3.

fishy bob wrote:

 ironicsilence wrote:
I hope someone finds them before the police do...

I do too. A few crazy rednecks would do an appropriate job with those two.

I don't. If you resort to criminal methods, you're simply another criminal.

 d-usa wrote:
Are we seriously advocating vigilante justice in this thread?

With the redneck reference it even sounds like there is a call for a lynch mob by post #3.

Naw... they'll likely get justice in prison.

He shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Victim blaming and vigilante justice in one thread!

 Mr. Burning wrote:
He shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Victim blaming and vigilante justice in one thread!

Where is Obama talking about how his white Grandpa could have looked like him!

(Did we hit all the usual talking points yet?)

 d-usa wrote:

 Mr. Burning wrote:
He shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Victim blaming and vigilante justice in one thread!

Where is Obama talking about how his white Grandpa could have looked like him!

(Did we hit all the usual talking points yet?)

Heh... here's a better one:

Boy... Obama's "sons" have had a busy week...

This would not have happened if we armed our WWII veterans with battleships.

If only Phoenix Jones was on scene to destroy these two abominations of humanity

 Frazzled wrote:
This would not have happened if we armed our WWII veterans with battleships.

They'd be the only people that would remember how to use them...

With people like this I don't know why they waste money on prisons... just take them out back and shoot them. Think that's too harsh? Don't go around killing random people and you don't have to worry.

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 Mr. Burning wrote:
He shouldn't have been there in the first place.

Victim blaming and vigilante justice in one thread!

Where is Obama talking about how his white Grandpa could have looked like him!

(Did we hit all the usual talking points yet?)

Heh... here's a better one:

Boy... Obama's "sons" have had a busy week...

Open carry would have stopped this happening.....

Also, bad parenting is to blame.

 gossipmeng wrote:
With people like this I don't know why they waste money on prisons... just take them out back and shoot them. Think that's too harsh? Don't go around killing random people and you don't have to worry.

Can't have that, it's cruel and unusual, or something of the sort. *rolls eyes*

Crimes like this, I advocate chaining them to the floor, and handing the victims family an axe. That's just me though.


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I'd also like to ask that we stop making a mockery of this man's death.

 djones520 wrote:

 gossipmeng wrote:
With people like this I don't know why they waste money on prisons... just take them out back and shoot them. Think that's too harsh? Don't go around killing random people and you don't have to worry.

Can't have that, it's cruel and unusual, or something of the sort. *rolls eyes*

Crimes like this, I advocate chaining them to the floor, and handing the victims family an axe. That's just me though.


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I'd also like to ask that we stop making a mockery of this man's death.

I'd like to ask that the frankly disturbing knee jerk reactions of 'kill em all' is stopped. But, Internets.

Why? The best vengence is after all, vengeance. Just ask the crab people.

When post #1 and #3 are "lets kill them before the cops get them" and call for lynch mobs, then the thread is already a mockery of the laws and the constitution that this veteran faught for.

But that's just me, I'm a bleeding heart liberal.

Chase them down with battleships? FInd the bad guys and fire 16in decks guns at them? Fire the bad guys OUT of the 16in deck guns?

Crimes of extreme violence need to be dealt with quickly and harshly.

If you have no family, friends, education, job, or future..... you really don't have anything to lose by killing someone. You'll just go to jail and depending on which one you might actually have a slightly upgraded life.

If you knew you'd be ripped apart by dogs if you killed someone however..... you'd think twice.

Crime rates would drop, cost savings, and if you are a law abiding citizen then you don't have to worry. The only negative thing I can think of is that sales of purina dog chow might drop since the animals are being fed through "alternative methods".

This is a remarkably unCanadian viewpoint you have.

Have you considered moving to the land of TexMex?

 gossipmeng wrote:
Crimes of extreme violence need to be dealt with quickly and harshly.

If y..
If you knew you'd be ripped apart by dogs if you killed someone however..... you'd think twice..

Is that why crime rates are generally higher in regimes with the death penalty, then?

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

 gossipmeng wrote:
Crimes of extreme violence need to be dealt with quickly and harshly.

If y..
If you knew you'd be ripped apart by dogs if you killed someone however..... you'd think twice..

Is that why crime rates are generally higher in regimes with the death penalty, then?

The vast majority of these "regimes" or other countries have higher crime rates because their economy is not in a condition to support their people.

I'm talking about implementation of harsh death penalties in first world countries - where the people can choose live a life without crime. I'm aware that depending on where you live in our crazy world, you will run into those morality case studies where honest people need to steal to feed their families, etc.

 gossipmeng wrote:

The vast majority of these "regimes" or other countries have higher crime rates because their economy is not in a condition to support their people.

I'm talking about implementation of harsh death penalties in first world countries

That might be your theory - but it doesn't reflect the facts.

Murder rates are lower in the UK, and non death penalty states in the US, then those with the death penalty. The deterrent effect of the death penalty has never been proven, apart from the fact it's morally dubious.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
Open carry would have stopped this happening.....

Unless one of the assailants happened to have eaten candy at some point in his life, at which point we'd have Zimmerman all over again.

Courtesy of our bleeding heart liberals.

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

 gossipmeng wrote:

The vast majority of these "regimes" or other countries have higher crime rates because their economy is not in a condition to support their people.

I'm talking about implementation of harsh death penalties in first world countries

That might be your theory - but it doesn't reflect the facts.

Murder rates are lower in the UK, and non death penalty states in the US, then those with the death penalty. The deterrent effect of the death penalty has never been proven, apart from the fact it's morally dubious.

One thing to consider is that the current death penalty isn't all that scary - in that sense I agree with you, it's pretty useless as a deterrent.

Right now trials can drag out over 1-2 years and even then, lawyers can pull the penalty off the table. Even if you get sentenced to death then you have to wait years for anything to actually happen.

My original point was..... you probably wouldn't beat a random old man to death if you knew you'd be ripped apart by dogs/shot a few minutes after the trial ended.

Unfortunately there are too many liberals in this world for us to be able to prove this theory. I think I shall move to Texas.

Ever read Frederick Forsyth's 'The Veteran'? Good story. Could be applicable to this.

Texas just acts all tough and heartless.

But those liberals can't even execute people at the same rate as Oklahoma.

 d-usa wrote:
When post #1 and #3 are "lets kill them before the cops get them" and call for lynch mobs, then the thread is already a mockery of the laws and the constitution that this veteran faught for.

But that's just me, I'm a bleeding heart liberal.

Stop killing America

 d-usa wrote:
Texas just acts all tough and heartless.

But those liberals can't even execute people at the same rate as Oklahoma.

I blame that hippy tree hugger Rick Perry.

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Texas just acts all tough and heartless.

But those liberals can't even execute people at the same rate as Oklahoma.

I blame that hippy tree hugger Rick Perry.

No wonder he couldn't win the primary...

This is the reason we need penal legions. Strap those guys with some low grade guns and say "We wont kill you if you go kill the enemy"

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
This is the reason we need penal legions. Strap those guys with some low grade guns and say "We wont kill you if you go kill the enemy"

The mass defections and the part where they turn around and shoot at you would be kinda awkward.

 purplefood wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
This is the reason we need penal legions. Strap those guys with some low grade guns and say "We wont kill you if you go kill the enemy"

The mass defections and the part where they turn around and shoot at you would be kinda awkward.

Explsosive collars, it's the right thing to do.

Three golden threads in a day!

I love you dakka, but seriously we all need therapy, just not gay conversion therapy. Or well we could still get that, but just not in Jersey... Though our wives, lovers, and same sex partner whom we've been legally brought together in a "civil union" and not a marriage because 'LIGION! might be upset that we are suddenly converted to being gay, or have been converted straight...

I need an adult.

 Alfndrate wrote:
Three golden threads in a day!

I love you dakka, but seriously we all need therapy, just not gay conversion therapy. Or well we could still get that, but just not in Jersey... Though our wives, lovers, and same sex partner whom we've been legally brought together in a "civil union" and not a marriage because 'LIGION! might be upset that we are suddenly converted to being gay, or have been converted straight...

I need an adult.

And a lobotomy.

Death Race IRL come on

 Soladrin wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
This is the reason we need penal legions. Strap those guys with some low grade guns and say "We wont kill you if you go kill the enemy"

The mass defections and the part where they turn around and shoot at you would be kinda awkward.

Explsosive collars, it's the right thing to do.

Yeah but what happens when the enemy gets the frequency of your lovely shrapnel neckties and you're left with a quarter of a million headless corpses?

 purplefood wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
This is the reason we need penal legions. Strap those guys with some low grade guns and say "We wont kill you if you go kill the enemy"

The mass defections and the part where they turn around and shoot at you would be kinda awkward.

Thats what the neckbombs and commissars are for...


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 purplefood wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
This is the reason we need penal legions. Strap those guys with some low grade guns and say "We wont kill you if you go kill the enemy"

The mass defections and the part where they turn around and shoot at you would be kinda awkward.

Explsosive collars, it's the right thing to do.

Yeah but what happens when the enemy gets the frequency of your lovely shrapnel neckties and you're left with a quarter of a million headless corpses?

SOYLENT GREEN IS MADE OF PEOPLE!

problem...solution.

 purplefood wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
This is the reason we need penal legions. Strap those guys with some low grade guns and say "We wont kill you if you go kill the enemy"

The mass defections and the part where they turn around and shoot at you would be kinda awkward.

Explsosive collars, it's the right thing to do.

Yeah but what happens when the enemy gets the frequency of your lovely shrapnel neckties and you're left with a quarter of a million headless corpses?

Always have a few drones floating above then?

 Frazzled wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 Soladrin wrote:

 purplefood wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
This is the reason we need penal legions. Strap those guys with some low grade guns and say "We wont kill you if you go kill the enemy"

The mass defections and the part where they turn around and shoot at you would be kinda awkward.

Explsosive collars, it's the right thing to do.

Yeah but what happens when the enemy gets the frequency of your lovely shrapnel neckties and you're left with a quarter of a million headless corpses?

SOYLENT GREEN IS MADE OF PEOPLE!

problem...solution.

That actually was my first thought...

 d-usa wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Texas just acts all tough and heartless.

But those liberals can't even execute people at the same rate as Oklahoma.

I blame that hippy tree hugger Rick Perry.

No wonder he couldn't win the primary...

He was stoned from the aftermath of his back surgery... whaddaya expect?

Hydrocodone makes everyone a hippy tree hugger!

I can't believe its not butter. Wait! Is that the dariy industries fault?

Can headless penal legion troops be turned into ersatz margarine?

Seems the only really crazy talk in this thread is that capitol punishment and being stung to death by killer bees will drop crime rates, stat!

This would never have happened if it weren't for ACA. Thanks Obama.

 Ahtman wrote:
This would never have happened if it weren't for ACA. Thanks Obama.

 Ahtman wrote:
This would never have happened if it weren't for ACA. Thanks Obama.

Not only are our vets being attacked, but their helthcare premiums are up 48%!

They should have to given 48% more for their country!

Ctrl+F "Zimmerman". Good job dakka.

It's nice to see this horrible crime being taken seriously.

I'm not a fan of vigalante justice, but I would be a fan of more..."creative" sentencing.

For all we know the veteran was on his way home with some iced tea and skittles!

Edit: The above statement is a farce, it is truly a shameful thing that a veteran of World War 2 was attacked. The pieces of gak that did this deserve to rot in hell.

16 year told teen has been arrested, hopefully hes tried as an adult
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/23/20145461-teen-arrested-in-beating-death-of-wwii-vet-88-in-spokane-wash?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

Are we seriously advocating vigilante justice in this thread?

You beckoned?

 ironicsilence wrote:
16 year told teen has been arrested, hopefully hes tried as an adult
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/23/20145461-teen-arrested-in-beating-death-of-wwii-vet-88-in-spokane-wash?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=1

The poor guy was on Okinawa too.....

I hope the kid they arrested drops the soap every single day for the rest of his life.

Sadly the scum will likely get some sort of plea deal, get out after 20 years and be a well trained harden criminal

 gossipmeng wrote:
Crimes of extreme violence need to be dealt with quickly and harshly.

If you have no family, friends, education, job, or future..... you really don't have anything to lose by killing someone. You'll just go to jail and depending on which one you might actually have a slightly upgraded life.

If you knew you'd be ripped apart by dogs if you killed someone however..... you'd think twice.

Crime rates would drop, cost savings, and if you are a law abiding citizen then you don't have to worry. The only negative thing I can think of is that sales of purina dog chow might drop since the animals are being fed through "alternative methods".

I wouldn't feed scum like this to those poor doggies as it would probably just make them sick...

Take a page from China's book: after conviction, take them out into the middle of the prison courtyard with a firing squad, put them down like the rabid animals they are and then send the bill for the cost of the bullet to their next of kin!

Too much time & money getting wasted on useless trash like these thugs.

What... you guys have no faith in our justice system?

o.O

It wasn't until I started reading the off-topic forum that I realized that some Dakka'ites are as bloodthirsty off the table as they are on it.

whembly wrote:What... you guys have no faith in our justice system?

o.O

Do you?

Forar wrote:It wasn't until I started reading the off-topic forum that I realized that some Dakka'ites are as bloodthirsty off the table as they are on it.

I would say moreso. On the table I'm facing someone I'm going to have to deal with next week and the week after that. Bar someone overpointing themselves, It helps to be polite and have a rulebook handy.

This is not the same on the internet. Here your true views can be expressed without fear. The worst thing that can happen is a ban or being on someone's ignore list.

 Forar wrote:
It wasn't until I started reading the off-topic forum that I realized that some Dakka'ites are as bloodthirsty off the table as they are on it.

Yeah. The ones who bay for blood are probably the ones who get tabled by armies painted pink. Over-compensating.

 whembly wrote:
What... you guys have no faith in our justice system?

o.O

I have complete faith in our justice system to do one of the following in most instances:

1. Get it wrong
2. Allow criminals to get some pretty awesome training in the big house on how to become a better criminal

The law is always a lottery, but this case has pissed enough people off that very stiff sentencing will be expected if a conviction is achieved.
The alleged perps are sixteen, that normally means they get juvenile detention and has a slate cleaned at IIRC 21, they might get tried as adults though.
If so the book thrown at them will be big and heavy, and the scum will be lucky to get out before old age takes them. No vigilantes needed, let justice run its course, life in prison, with no parole, is a hard enough knock.

Unbelievable gak going on this week.

Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

 Forar wrote:
It wasn't until I started reading the off-topic forum that I realized that some Dakka'ites are as bloodthirsty off the table as they are on it.

Yeah. The ones who bay for blood are probably the ones who get tabled by armies painted pink. Over-compensating.

Well, my army is the one that gets tabled AND is painted pink!

 Orlanth wrote:
The law is always a lottery, but this case has pissed enough people off that very stiff sentencing will be expected if a conviction is achieved.
The alleged perps are sixteen, that normally means they get juvenile detention and has a slate cleaned at IIRC 21, they might get tried as adults though.
If so the book thrown at them will be big and heavy, and the scum will be lucky to get out before old age takes them. No vigilantes needed, let justice run its course, life in prison, with no parole, is a hard enough knock.

Even if tried as adults I very seriously doubt they get life sentences.

 d-usa wrote:
They should have to given 48% more for their country!

And 47% of them don't even pay taxes!

I have family that lives in central washington. Last time I was there my dad told me that Spokane has a large white power following there. I'd bet there a number of people out looking for these scumbags already.

I hope the state executes him the same way he would have been just for existing if we had lost the war. Feth this fether. Absolutely not worthy of life.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I hope the state executes him the same way he would have been just for existing if we had lost the war. Feth this fether. Absolutely not worthy of life.

Huh?

 djones520 wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I hope the state executes him the same way he would have been just for existing if we had lost the war. Feth this fether. Absolutely not worthy of life.

Huh?

Look at who posted. Its Nazis that hes referencing, much to the thread's surprise and shock. Inquisitor Ehrenstein, reference Nazi's? No, how could you say that!

 motyak wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I hope the state executes him the same way he would have been just for existing if we had lost the war. Feth this fether. Absolutely not worthy of life.

Huh?

Look at who posted. Its Nazis that hes referencing, much to the thread's surprise and shock. Inquisitor Ehrenstein, reference Nazi's? No, how could you say that!

What was this about? Someone who fought in WWII. What was WWII fought against? I'll give you time; I realize this might be difficult for you.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 motyak wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I hope the state executes him the same way he would have been just for existing if we had lost the war. Feth this fether. Absolutely not worthy of life.

Huh?

Look at who posted. Its Nazis that hes referencing, much to the thread's surprise and shock. Inquisitor Ehrenstein, reference Nazi's? No, how could you say that!

What was this about? Someone who fought in WWII. What was WWII fought against? I'll give you time; I realize this might be difficult for you.

The victim fought against the Japanese, who had no intentions of invading America, or committing genocide to its people... so introducing Nazi's to this is still a bit of a stretch.

But hey, we've gone several pages without Nazi's being brought in yet, so I guess it was due.

Surprisingly POW weren't just executed by either side during WW2 (Japan did have forced labour camps but people did make it out alive from them)

Well....if we ask Putin if he has two more spots open in a Gulag....

Might as well add in the Russians

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Surprisingly POW weren't just executed by either side during WW2 (Japan did have forced labour camps but people did make it out alive from them)

That's a bit of a stretch. There was blatant murder and intentional conditions to bring about death. The Japs intentionally drove tanks through columns of POWs.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 motyak wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
I hope the state executes him the same way he would have been just for existing if we had lost the war. Feth this fether. Absolutely not worthy of life.

Huh?

Look at who posted. Its Nazis that hes referencing, much to the thread's surprise and shock. Inquisitor Ehrenstein, reference Nazi's? No, how could you say that!

What was this about? Someone who fought in WWII. What was WWII fought against? I'll give you time; I realize this might be difficult for you.

The Italians, obviously.

Stop being silly.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Surprisingly POW weren't just executed by either side during WW2 (Japan did have forced labour camps but people did make it out alive from them)

I have a friend at work whose uncle was on the Bataan death march. He tells me his uncle is mentioned by name in a book about it for saving people from dying.

I just think it's a sad irony and mockery of fate to survive such a horrific event that killed millions only to be brutally murdered by a bunch of lowlife tossers.

All I can hope for is that these losers meet a similar end at the hands of other criminals either in prison or if/when they get out, no doubt they'll stoop back into their life of crime (probably even worse than they were when they went in.) Once they get out and it seems pretty likely that they'll meet a deservedly violent end eventually.

 Ardaric_Vaanes wrote:
I just think it's a sad irony and mockery of fate to survive such a horrific event that killed millions only to be brutally murdered by a bunch of lowlife tossers.

All I can hope for is that these losers meet a similar end at the hands of other criminals either in prison or if/when they get out, no doubt they'll stoop back into their life of crime (probably even worse than they were when they went in.) Once they get out and it seems pretty likely that they'll meet a deservedly violent end eventually.

It was a total kick in the balls to read about this man's murder years ago:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haing_S._Ngor

Looks like they caught the second suspect and charged three others with aiding a criminal. The things that pisse me off in a case that is allready disgusting is that the victim was only about 5 feet tall as well as being 88. Add to that the fact that these punks have had previous run ins with the law and people are talking about how this is going to ruin their lives. Seriously, two teenagers beat an old man to death and people are worried about their lives being ruined!!??
This is why I support the death penalty in these kinds of cases. I hope these walking oblong turds are tried as aduts.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/26/second-suspect-arrested-in-death-wwii-veteran/?test=latestnews

Or lock them in a room with five other current generation "Vets" for about 20 min

 Jihadin wrote:
Or lock them in a room with five other current generation "Vets" for about 20 min

If it was possible, I'd say to put them in a front line situation so they could know what the man they murdered faced. That way they could properly appreciate just how low on the food chain their actions put them.

Relapse wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Or lock them in a room with five other current generation "Vets" for about 20 min

If it was possible, I'd say to put them in a front line situation so they could know what the man they murdered faced. That way they could properly appreciate just how low on the food chain their actions put them.

I'll preface this by saying I am in the military, just incase anyone was unaware.

So why are we giving them special treatment because they killed a veteran? Would we be less outraged if he hadn't served in WW2?

Lets play this smart. Chain them to the floor, hand the guy's family an axe, and let nature take it's course.

 djones520 wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
Or lock them in a room with five other current generation "Vets" for about 20 min

If it was possible, I'd say to put them in a front line situation so they could know what the man they murdered faced. That way they could properly appreciate just how low on the food chain their actions put them.

I'll preface this by saying I am in the military, just incase anyone was unaware.

So why are we giving them special treatment because they killed a veteran? Would we be less outraged if he hadn't served in WW2?

Lets play this smart. Chain them to the floor, hand the guy's family an axe, and let nature take it's course.

I'd be just as pissed if the man wasn't a veteran. The jogger murder is another one that pisses me off and is another fine argument for the death penalty.

Relapse wrote:
The jogger murder is another one that pisses me off and is another fine argument for the death penalty.

...

This works on so many terrible levels it's actually kind of beautiful.

 Ardaric_Vaanes wrote:
I just think it's a sad irony and mockery of fate to survive such a horrific event that killed millions only to be brutally murdered by a bunch of lowlife tossers.

All I can hope for is that these losers meet a similar end at the hands of other criminals either in prison or if/when they get out, no doubt they'll stoop back into their life of crime (probably even worse than they were when they went in.) Once they get out and it seems pretty likely that they'll meet a deservedly violent end eventually.

That's true. Those wastes of space wouldn't even be alive if we lost. It would be great irony if Washington still uses the gas chamber.

This gets better and better. Now these pissants are claiming they were buying crack from the victim and the transaction turned violent.
Is there a hole deep enough or a cell isolated enough for these guys?

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/27/20213257-suspect-in-wwii-vet-slay-we-were-buying-crack-from-victim?lite

Very sad.

Glad they caught everyone, now let the courts do their work.

Relapse wrote:
This gets better and better. Now these pissants are claiming they were buying crack from the victim and the transaction turned violent.
Is there a hole deep enough or a cell isolated enough for these guys?

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/27/20213257-suspect-in-wwii-vet-slay-we-were-buying-crack-from-victim?lite

smells like these losers have watched one too many episodes of breaking bad

These are sick b*****ds and should not be allowed to live. I cannot believe what i read and i dont want to either.
+1 for vigilante justice.

I thought I read initially that Demetrius Glenn turned himself in voluntarily, rather than being caught by police. That at least indicates the possibility of some kind of remorse, that the intent was never to kill Belton. (Or at least that his wasn't.)

"Elderly white war hero savagely beaten to death by underage black sociopaths!" is a great headline, but it's hardly likely to be that sensational, or that cut and dried. It's not like I'm ever going to get to see any kind of objective truth about what happened, but I'd like to believe that at least one of the kids was in a situation that got out of his control. (The other one, though, (Adams, I think?) seems like a real psychopath.)

 Jimsolo wrote:
I thought I read initially that Demetrius Glenn turned himself in voluntarily, rather than being caught by police. That at least indicates the possibility of some kind of remorse, that the intent was never to kill Belton. (Or at least that his wasn't.)

"Elderly white war hero savagely beaten to death by underage black sociopaths!" is a great headline, but it's hardly likely to be that sensational, or that cut and dried. It's not like I'm ever going to get to see any kind of objective truth about what happened, but I'd like to believe that at least one of the kids was in a situation that got out of his control. (The other one, though, (Adams, I think?) seems like a real psychopath.)

I think the most likely scenario is that the piece of gak who turned himself in did so out of hope for a lighter sentence. The dude was in on beating a 5 foot tall, 88year old man to death, then tried to say he cheated him in a crack deal. Deapest, darkest dungeon for life, the both of them if found guilty, if not the death penalty.

That crack angle seems exceedingly dubious. I don't know many octogenarians who slang rocks.

Relapse wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
I thought I read initially that Demetrius Glenn turned himself in voluntarily, rather than being caught by police. That at least indicates the possibility of some kind of remorse, that the intent was never to kill Belton. (Or at least that his wasn't.)

"Elderly white war hero savagely beaten to death by underage black sociopaths!" is a great headline, but it's hardly likely to be that sensational, or that cut and dried. It's not like I'm ever going to get to see any kind of objective truth about what happened, but I'd like to believe that at least one of the kids was in a situation that got out of his control. (The other one, though, (Adams, I think?) seems like a real psychopath.)

I think the most likely scenario is that the piece of gak who turned himself in did so out of hope for a lighter sentence. The dude was in on beating a 5 foot tall, 88year old man to death, then tried to say he cheated him in a crack deal. Deapest, darkest dungeon for life, the both of them if found guilty, if not the death penalty.

The one who turned himself in isn't the one claiming it was a crack deal gone wrong, I thought. From what I read, it's just the other one claiming that. Or did I read it wrong?

 Jimsolo wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 Jimsolo wrote:
I thought I read initially that Demetrius Glenn turned himself in voluntarily, rather than being caught by police. That at least indicates the possibility of some kind of remorse, that the intent was never to kill Belton. (Or at least that his wasn't.)

"Elderly white war hero savagely beaten to death by underage black sociopaths!" is a great headline, but it's hardly likely to be that sensational, or that cut and dried. It's not like I'm ever going to get to see any kind of objective truth about what happened, but I'd like to believe that at least one of the kids was in a situation that got out of his control. (The other one, though, (Adams, I think?) seems like a real psychopath.)

I think the most likely scenario is that the piece of gak who turned himself in did so out of hope for a lighter sentence. The dude was in on beating a 5 foot tall, 88year old man to death, then tried to say he cheated him in a crack deal. Deapest, darkest dungeon for life, the both of them if found guilty, if not the death penalty.

The one who turned himself in isn't the one claiming it was a crack deal gone wrong, I thought. From what I read, it's just the other one claiming that. Or did I read it wrong?

Doesn't much matter either way what he says or does as far as I'm concerned since he helped beat an old man to death. I hope they put him and his buddy where they never again see sunlight.